IVF may open door to abortion

Francis Saliba M.D.

Aug 17th 2012, 13:17

A morally good or a morally indifferent act should not be condemned simply because it could be abused, especially if the evil consequence is forseen but not intended.

The crux of the matter in this case is whether IVF is morally neutral, or even morally good or if it is always intrinsically evil. Most people relying on their own unprejuduced judgment would opine that IVF could be morally neutral, or even morally good in certain circumstances. That does not seem to be the official teaching of the highest prelates of the Church, the basis for that stance being an ex post factum consideration namely that it is undesirable to approve a morally neutral mode of conception (IVF) if it is likely to be abused.

Matthew Grima

Aug 11th 2012, 18:34

Sex could also lead to abortion..

Alfred J. McEwen

Aug 11th 2012, 11:14

Alfred J. McEwen

I have never read such a load of codswallop more than I read in this article. The CANA movement should pride itself as being one of the most narrow-minded organisations on the planet.

M. Cauchi

Aug 11th 2012, 09:37

Such information, arguments and discussions are not to be passed on through an article. Voice intonations do not exist, things are not being heard directly from the horse's mouth, and statements can be written as one pleases.
It hurts for me to read negative comments directly related to my Faith, yet it is utterly useless for me to make a fuss about it or react aggressively in comments.
The best way to learn about IVF, and furthermore learn about abortion, is for every individual to make his/her own research, and reflect upon his/her morals. Understanding how such topics affect our deepest feelings and understandings leads us to the Truth of the situation.

Just like any other difficulties in life, one situation cannot be compared to another, and that is where (hopefully) the Cana movement focus on the individual couples. That is why I explain that such articles may create more harm than good, because automatically all situations are addressed in the same way (and this can not be so).

Steve Mizzi

Aug 11th 2012, 09:24

STOP PRESS: "Conception may lead to abortion"

Eugene Sapiano

Aug 11th 2012, 09:16

When we were about to be married 28 years ago we were told to attend a Cana marriage preparatory course something I refused to do so keeping in mind that it used to air press releases which were more political than religious. In fact even though we did not attend we were married in Church just the same.

Even about the embryo freezing in the parliamentary committee one can say that there was consensus until a woman of the Professionals for Life, member of a religious movement which condemn all kinds of birth control even those sanctioned by the Church intervened and even had talks with members of the cabinet at the house itself and almost immediately the Minister of Health started saying that it maybe better to freeze the ova than the embryo.

And what about the authority to supervise all those seeking IVF treatment; is not a doctor, perhaps a specialist enough?

Claire Busuttil

Aug 11th 2012, 09:11

Ok Cana Movement....this is your point of view, you did well to express it, you did your 'job' ....however now leave the Maltese citizen, think, and act according to his/her moral/ethical values.....please.

Peter Simpson

Aug 11th 2012, 08:50

As things stand, those who want to do an abortion and do not want to spend, can go to Catania; the others who can afford the expense and want a safer procedure usually go to Harley Street clinics in London. This fear mongering is outdated to say the least.

Mario Schembri Wismayer

Aug 11th 2012, 08:08

The message Cana movement is trying to get across that if man starts to play God by manipulating conception to create a life 'at will' then it is only one short step away from the other end of the equation, viz, the assumed right to end a life. Manipulation of life is not for man... Excuse my French but is this not bleeding obvious?

The message is all about man becoming desensitized to the sanctity of life by becoming accustomed to manipulating it for his own purposes....abortion and IVF will become part of an endless circle, distinguished only by what you want. In short life will become a commodity

Chris Grillo

Aug 11th 2012, 07:55

The time for these old fuddy duddy priestly 'words of wisdom' has long since passed. You are both heading the way of the dinosaurs!

Couples wanting to go the lengthy, expensive, sometimes unproductive, way of IVF is for the love they have for children! I bet you wouldn't say no to a good modern operation on your knee would you Dun? Would your god have wanted that? Or would it be a gift that not everyone is entitled to receive?

Abortion is something totally different, and I am willing to bet my every penny that it will never pass here... And anyway, it is so easy to get abroad... (unhappily!)

Please shut up already! The Maltese population is sick and tired of your stance! Most of us don't give a hoot about you.

joe briffa

Aug 11th 2012, 07:10

Very stupid argument

Joseph Bajada

Aug 11th 2012, 05:57

Its hard to believe that in this day and age someone actually thinks that and then writes it down and thinks that people will actually belief such crap .

Arthur Soler

Aug 11th 2012, 02:34

"IVF may open door to abortion"...what unbelievable rubbish! Is it any wonder that the Church in Malta, including the Bishops and now the Cana Movement, has lost so much credibility and so much respect?

Instead of celebrating and supporting science's capacity to help childless couples "create" new life through IVF, where otherwise there would be none, the Church chooses to further undermine its credibility and its relevance through absolutely nonsensical statements.

Carmelo Aquilina

Aug 11th 2012, 01:10

here is the evidence for Cana's absurd assertion ? There is no logical connection between the two. In most countries abortion was legal many years before IVF was invented .

Ray Aquilina

Aug 11th 2012, 01:05

Cana Movement........ Are we still living in the dark ages, where they scare us with the eternal fire of hell.??? We, The people can make our own decisions , thank you cana movement.

Dave Alan Caruana

Aug 11th 2012, 00:03

While I agree that faith has a bearing on these matters, it is there to be respected by the faithful. Laws in our state, by definition secular, should be dictated by the more general rules of logic and what is scientifically possible. it is up to followers of a particlar faith to limit themselves to the dictats of their religious leaders.

M. Bezzina

Aug 10th 2012, 23:24

Dejjem issib xi hadd mill knisja biex jopponu!!Tajjeb mela sakemm jista jkollok bil mod naturali ok il bqija memx cans issir genitur!!Halluna tridx!!dejjem b xi haga gdida!!

Andrew John Mercieca

Aug 10th 2012, 23:15

Being one that loves the church, i am truly saddened by CANA movement comparing ivf and abortion. How is it possible?

Victor Rodenas

Aug 10th 2012, 21:56

Why did`nt the Church protest when the Govt. built Mater Dei Hospital and brought the IVF apparatus there,...of course they can say,...` we did not know`. Mhux hekk!

MALCOLM SEYCHELL

Aug 10th 2012, 21:54

IVF promotes life. ~Abortion kills... These people really think that people are idiots like they were 60 years ago?

Ethelbert Schembri

Aug 10th 2012, 21:34

In vitro fertilisation (IVF) is a process by which an egg is fertilised by sperm outside the body: in vitro. IVF is a major treatment for infertility when other methods of assisted reproductive technology have failed.

Abortion is defined as the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

Those are a very simplistic explanation and the huge difference is so clear to us all, except the Church and it's appendices and the PN.... that as ever there seem to be no difference between the two institutions !!!

So to make it simple in child terms ... IVF is to help women to have babies when they can't, for a reason or another ... Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, for a reason or another !!!

My hope is that both the Church and the PN understand that by saying such stupidities, they are offending all those women that had suffered and are suffering to this date, and they need this law to help them not obstruct them from having their own children!!

jane camillleri haber

Aug 10th 2012, 20:41

i feel i should express my opinion on all these comments as well as the expressed view of cana movement in an effort to try and bring some understanding to us all. ivf as considered for legislation in our country does not seem to put any embryo at risk apart of those risks already known to be carried by every embryo who is a product of ivf process itself. the reality of a higher incidence of malformations and congenital defects which are known to be associated with the process should be communicated to all would be parents and the seriousness of such moral obligation as to make decisions which might greatly effect a future independent individual duly highlighted. I think the conditions under which ivf will be allowed in our country are clear and exclude any extra embryos from bring conceived which would create a question as to what to do with them , whether surrogacy could play a part or whether they should be frozen for further implantations. there are many comments on the abortion issue. the word abortion is not the right medical term that should be used for the destruction of embryos which are not somehow expelled from the mother during the proceedure of their destruction so ivf embryos which are destroyed fall very laymanly under the general term of abortion, however of course any embryo destroyed after certain ivf proceedures abroad ( not in our case if one adhered strictly to the proposed conditions for legality ) where the medical team are faced with embryos who become orphans, who become unwanted or whose implantation becomes unfeasable due to change of circumstances in the mother's private life, that is equal to abortion in that the effect is exactly the same, namely the killing of an unborn child. so the word abortion may be applied losely to the case in question but only because the result of destruction of an unborn child is associated in modern man's mind to abortion. I hope we all agree that we don't want the termination of any life whatsoever, be it through abortion or any other medical proceedures and for whatever 'noble' end those proceedures are put to use

Alexander Brincat

Aug 10th 2012, 20:12

Wanting and Waiting? Me and my wife wanted to get married by the church and went for the first Ta Cana gathering, only to be told that there was no place for us at the first congregation in M'Skala. Some priest had made a 'mistake' in the booking. Why? Cause we had a kid before christian marriage. Still we got a state marriage before his birth. Still I believe in God, unconditionally and forgive these ignorants. And yes our marriage is strong. And no, I will not go to ta' Cana but to a priest to have the course.

Yes I support life. No I do not agree to abortion. Yes I want a decent IVF law. Oh...and yes...stop making a fool of yourselves cause there are more divorces and separations after your courses. Why? Because you are just cut from reality and promote division.

J. Pace

Aug 10th 2012, 20:12

"...adding that not everything that was technically and medically possible was ethically or morally acceptable."

Hindering a couple from having children with the assistance of science and medical improvements...IT IS NOT ethically or morally acceptable.

And it is also the other way round - Hindering a couple from having children due to your beliefs is what I call abortion.

L Galea

Aug 10th 2012, 19:53

This discussion with Cana's input is now getting to a point of nonsense. I think we are now missing the wood for the trees. Surely parents who want children all the way to IVF procedures would not opt for abortion, this is nonsense, I am surprised those who give parenting classes even think of these things. Extremism at its best!

DR EMMANUEL BEZZINA,MA,MAG.JUR.[EU Law],LL.D.,

Aug 10th 2012, 19:49

CANA MOVEMENT.....WE THE PEOPLE can make up our own individualistic minds...................the days of manipulative impositions are THANK GOD now OVER.

Dr Alex Bugeja

Aug 10th 2012, 19:47

How exactly does IVF open the door to abortion? Pardon my ignorance, but I see zero connection between the two. IVF is the creation of life; abortion is its destruction.

The movement should back up wild statements like this not just throw them out there irresponsibly.

Dawn Cummings

Aug 10th 2012, 19:22

@John J Borg
Today, 18:41
its not because it is not natural but BECAUSE with IVF several embryos are conceited but only one implanted in the mother.....the rest are frozen, for a later use

Is your definition of abortion?? You must be jokin'....

Wikipedia: Abortion is defined as the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

Mr Matthew Farrugia

Aug 10th 2012, 18:25

I would like to ask Cana Movement, Mr Grech and his "bella kumpanija" Curia how they kept their mouth shut when the rich people and those who can afford have been for years going abroad having IVF Children. Now because finally somebody is trying to get IVF for the common people, the Church says NO.

Not saying that what the rich people do was wrong, they have every right to have their own children, I'm just asking why the Church only tends to criticize and condemns ONLY when common people have the right to do it in their own country, by their own choice.

Joseph John Camilleri

Aug 10th 2012, 18:24

It seems that everybody on this rock is an expert on everything. Lo and behold whenever the Church makes its voice heard every hater of the Church throws everything at it.. One even went so far to say that IVF was never mentioned by Jesus Christ, which is really unbelievable, and shows ignorance of the Holy Bible. Many empires, ideologies, dictators etc. ceased to exist, but the Church build by Christ is a solid rock. ' I will be with you all the days until the end of the age.' ( Mark 28:30)

Ms. P.M Graham

Aug 10th 2012, 18:10

Totally lost as to how anyone can possibly come out with a statement like this:

"legalisation of IVF by other countries had opened the way for abortion."

Does the Church have any idea what a woman goes through in order to harvest eggs for IVF? Add to that all the other hoops and hurdles they have to jump through to be accepted for the treatment.

IVF doesn't cause accidental/unplanned/unwanted births. It's usually a last resort and very well planned. A very painful and expensive procedure that carries no guarantees and that can be had by many right now who can afford to and DO go abroad or pay privately for the treatment.

Does the Church close its eyes to this?

Does the Church also close its eyes to the fact that many also, (who can afford it) seek abortions overseas.

Andrew Busuttil

Aug 10th 2012, 17:34

Such scaremongering shows that the Church is now clutching at straws!

Andrew Busuttil

Aug 10th 2012, 17:31

Dear CANA Movement... Your agenda is too transparent! You are simply trying to confuse the two matters...

You are attempting to scare people from IVF, with something you now that most are against (ie: Abortion)... But the argument is non-sequital and your logic intrinsically flawed! Intelligent people see though your plan and will only be further angered and offended.

The exact same tactic was attempted during the Divorce campaign!
ez... "issa la jidhol id-divorzju se jitkisstru iz-zwiegijiet kollha"
ez... "issa wara id-divorzju se jkollna l-abbort!

Who do you think you are talking to... 5 year old kids??

R Xuereb

Aug 10th 2012, 17:28

amazingly enough IVF which is a way help giving is going to lead to destroying life. seriously? If people accept IVF it stands to reason that they are pro life not anti life correct me if Im wrong.

Also if the church is anti IVF because it is not the "natural" way of having children stands to reason that the church is also anti adoption too coz as far as I know children that are adopted were not made by the parents that have adopted them right? therefore were not naturally made by the adoptive parents so where does the church stand on adoption? Does it have the same point of view as it does with regards to IVF?

Mr Bartolo Edward

Aug 10th 2012, 17:24

The church will not be intimidated by immature members who quit because they don't want to abide by its principles. The gospels are a shining example of this when Christ talked for the first time of Eucharisty: "Tridux tmorru intom ukoll?" The latter was directed at the apostles.

Christ will not be intimidated.

Luciano Pace Parascandalo

Aug 10th 2012, 17:20

what should be done then since IVF is in practice anyway? allow it to go on without legislation? legislating does not mean legalizing as the practice is already legal. it mean that it would be regulated. so this article would lead one to think that Cana would rather leave the sector unregulated??

michael catania

Aug 10th 2012, 17:17

When will they ever learn.This argument is similar to their divorce one which said and I quote "couples will marry because they can get a divorce. I am in favour of IVF BUT STRONGLY AGAINST ABORTION

Mr Jamie Frendo

Aug 10th 2012, 17:16

If you're against IVF simply don't do it, same goes as Divorce, same sex couples/marriages and the list goes on and on. Me personally, I am against telling people I do not know how TO LIVE THEIR LIVES and I never judge a book by it's cover! why don't you try the same Cana/Church? you'de earn much more respect that way.

Daniel Borg

Aug 10th 2012, 17:10

Mela l-ewwel jekk jidhol id divorzju jidhol labbort, issa xi jmis? Jek jidhol ivf jidhol l abbort? U ijwa drajna kantalina ta ssoltu, sa fejn naf jien iz zewg partiti kontra l abbort

Malcolm Mizzi

Aug 10th 2012, 17:01

IVF is a way to help people bear children when there is no other way. Abortion is a way to kill any unwanted future babies. I don't see how IVF may open door to abortion.

John J Borg

Aug 10th 2012, 16:55

many bloggers seem to write as if they are throwing the stone that will sink the `church boat`......with or without you it will keep going steady.........and will not change for the sake of having more members on board........what has been wrong will always be wrong, divorce ,ivf, abortion, euthanasia...have always been condemned by the universal church and will continue to be.....

Mr Joe Frendo

Aug 10th 2012, 16:54

What all due respect .. but dear Cana Movement .. are you serious? In which way are you stating that IVF will increase Abortion? ... These are two opposite things. Do you really really believe that a mother who was assisted by IVF will opt for an Abortion after all the procedure she got through?

Unbelievable!

Mr Ernest Vella

Aug 10th 2012, 16:18

Dik hija l-verita...jekk ma toghgbokx sinjal li qed tghid il-verita...indahhlu l-abort u nehilsu...imma dakinhar li jidhol l-abort...jekk jidhirli li int mhux bniedem ikolli dritt noqtlok hux hekk?

Patrick Zahra

Aug 10th 2012, 16:18

There is absolutely no relation between IVF ,( where medical intervention assists mothers to become pregnant and thus bring about new precious life) and abortion, except in the minds of illogical brainwashed people!
As regards the wanting and waiting group mentioned not everybody believes in FBP ( ie fertilisation by prayer).

Alfred Dimech

Aug 10th 2012, 16:18

Would it be so wrong to introduce (limited) abortion in Malta? Why do people so forcefully refuse to discuss this?

Steve Pace

Aug 10th 2012, 15:46

"The movement said it would continue to support couples having infertility problems through its Wanting and Waiting Group"


Could we have some statistics as to 1) How many couples attend 2) The birth rate success of this "group" ??

sounds like the "family clinic" evoked during the divorce campaign... a ghost group !

angelo cilia

Aug 10th 2012, 15:34

I predict that where IVF is introduced, carbohydrates consumption by humans will increase.

Toni Cardona

Aug 10th 2012, 15:33

A simple internet search using 'ivf and abortion' will give all sides of this debate a lot to ponder.

Ivan Scicluna

Aug 10th 2012, 15:28

Minflok taraw x'ser taghmlu biex tirbhu lura c-corma nies li telqukhom, tkomplu turu l-kulhadd kemm intom patetici!

Lorraine Barbara

Aug 10th 2012, 15:27

Mr Edgar Gatt,

I am a mother of twins. Never married, thruth be known I don't like half of 'our' religion so why should I? Having said that I never got to the stage where I felt suicidal. So having twins or not isn't an excuse for divorce depression or whatsoever. So what if the twins are naturally conceived? Who's to blame for the family break up then? Or is that when one starts to pray? My only question is this.
Why should a couple go through all the emotional turmoil it takes for IVF and all those expenses only to abort after? Doesn't make sense does it?

Wake up Malta! We still got a long way to go.

S. Cachia

Aug 10th 2012, 15:26

I wish to thank the Cana Movement for expressing its views on this sensitive issue in line with what the Bishops said. May also I thank the Movement in Malta and in Gozo for all the service offered to all Maltese and Gozitan families and youth.

David Caruana

Aug 10th 2012, 15:11

It's amazing how the church and all its institutions are doing anything possible to alienate the few sheep left in the flock.

Joseph Grech Attard

Aug 10th 2012, 14:52

U hallina Cana Movement. If you continue to act this way you shall become even less crdible. Abortion was introduced in most countries much before IVF!, which is, relatively, recent! Why do local Catholic organisations mix things up? This is happening also with pedophilia and homosexuality! Adjourn yourselves with the present and look for the signs of the times. Remember that God manifested Himself and still manifests Himself in many different ways, but surely not in misinformation and half- truths!!!

Tony Borg

Aug 10th 2012, 14:48

Another very insensitive comment coming from the church.

Why on earth are they trying to link IVF to abortion?

"Every medical intervention had to respect the human being, the unity of marriage and the family and the dignity of human sexuality"

Are they implying that I do not love my wife since we are trying ivf? What has the dignity of human sexuality has to do with ivf?

I just sincerelly wish to all the cana movement leaders that none of their family would ever need to resort to ivf so that they do not need to go through all the hardships that we are going through

John Scerri

Aug 10th 2012, 14:39

The Lord created man and woman and told them to multiply.
The Lord developed the human brain to create infinite beautiful things.

One of those beautiful things is IVF

Charles Grixti

Aug 10th 2012, 14:21

Hehehe, it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Steve Pace

Aug 10th 2012, 14:20

Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:38

Bishop makes divorce, abortion link

The Bishop of Gozo has linked divorce with abortion, telling a pro-life activity yesterday that research showed that there was a link between unstable families and abortion.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100208/local/bishop-makes-divorce-abortion-link.293275

""The Cana Movement recognizes that wherever IVF was introduced, this led to many abuses and opened the way for abortion to be allowed,":

Could the Canna movement please substantiate their "recognizing statement" with some statistical figures linking one subject to another ? waiting.... and waiting.... and waiting...

J Mizzi

Aug 10th 2012, 14:14

Dear Readers, here is the full text of Cana Movement's Memorandum, as sent to the media. Thanks.

Il-Moviment ta’ Kana jilqa’ l-Ittra Pastorali tal-Isqfijiet taghna, Mons P. Cremona O.P. u Mons. M. Grech, fid-dawl tad-diskussjoni u l-konsultazzjoni li ghaddejja bhalissa f’pajjizna dwar l-Abbozz tal-Att tal-Protezzjoni tal-Embrijuni Umani.
Il-Moviment ta’ Kana:
1. Jemmen li, l-bniedem mhux ‘prodott’ u lanqas ‘oggett’. Il-bniedem huwa frott l-ghotja shiha u totali tar-ragel u l-mara fiz-zwieg permezz tar-rabta konjugali taghhom. Jikkonsidra li huwa uman sa mill-ewwel mument tat-tnissil u ghalhekk jisthoqqlu l-harsien u l-protezzjoni kollha taghna;
2. Ilu zmien twil jifhem u jghin lil dawk il-koppji li ghandhom problema ta’ infertilita’, u lest li joffri s-support mehtieg lil dawn il-koppji permezz tas-Support Group Wanting and Waiting;
3. Konxju tal-fatt li, f’pajjizna ghandna numru ta’ koppji bla ulied, izda dan ma jfissirx li huma familji inqas mill-ohrajn jew li l-missjoni taghhom falliet. Anzi jaghraf li dawn il-koppji kienu u huma siewja f’diversi oqsma ohra tal-hajja;
4. Jifhem li, mhux kull xewqa li ghandu l-bniedem tista’ titwettaq fir-realta’. It-tfal jibqghu dejjem rigal.
5. Jaghraf li, kull fejn dahal l-IVF dan wassal ghal hafna abbuzi u fetah it-triq ghall-permissibilita’ tal-abort. Jaf li mhux kull ma huwa teknikament u medikament possibli huwa etikament u moralment accettabli.
6. Jinsab zgur li, x-xjenza mhix kontra l-etika u lanqas ma hi kontra l-fidi. Anzi dawn it-tnejn jistghu jimxu flimkien. Ghalhekk iheggeg lix-xjenzati biex ikomplu bir-ricerka u l-istudji taghhom, biex joffru lill-koppji bi problema ta’ infertilita’, direzzjonijiet li huma moralment u etikament tajbin, bhal per.ez. in-Natural Procreative Technology (NAPRO).
7. Jistqarr li, f’kull intervent mediku ghandna dejjem inharsu il-gid tal-persuna umana, l-unita’ taz-zwieg u l-familja u dinjita’, in-nobilta’ u s-sbuhija tas-sesswalita’ umana.

Raymond Sacco

Aug 10th 2012, 14:10

Who's next? Joe Zammit maybe? These kind of people do not even understand the harm they are doing to their own beliefs (as they did during the divorce debate) with these kind of scare mongering arguments, let alone can they understand that we live in 2012!

J Farrugia

Aug 10th 2012, 14:07

Carry on like this, you may get 3 or 4 people to sunday mass if your lucky. Pathetic .

John Vella

Aug 10th 2012, 14:03

so now Cana Movement wants to impose their beliefs on everyone else. So for us, who are one religion short, lets not forget that Malta is not the centre of the universe and that there is 3000 different religions. So if I don't believe in having an imaginary friend called Jesus, why am I not entitled to freeze my balls out if I think its the right thing to do. Why do Cana have to impose not to abort and the freezing of fertilised eggs on us all?

Charlot Sciberras

Aug 10th 2012, 14:01

As if our dear church is not ruining enough lives already with their very popular medevial rules.......... Shall we just go back to inquisition times geniuses........stop making the country hate you even more please.

Anthony Scicluna

Aug 10th 2012, 14:01

Agreed. People waiting for a baby should pray to the Holy Spirit. One never knows. Pray. Pray. PRAY and you may receive the gift. After all isn't the Virgin Birth one of the most beautiful mysteries of all.

Edgar Gatt

Aug 10th 2012, 14:00

Yes of course, as it might lead to having twins and not being able to cope with them and then leading to depression and then divorce and then leading to suicide!

Ramon Casha

Aug 10th 2012, 13:59

Did you know that in EVERY country where Christianity has taken hold, car traffic has increased 100%?!

Charlot Bartolo

Aug 10th 2012, 13:57

Here we go again..same song. Before it was with Divorce we are opening the door to abortion.

Charlot

Frans Aguis

Aug 10th 2012, 13:50

So be it dear Cana movement

Amante Reale

Aug 10th 2012, 13:46

How does this make any sense? lol Abortion in the vast majority is used by mothers going through unwanted pregnancies. IVF is the exact opposite of an unwanted pregnancy.

You know what IVF opens the door to? People who cannot have children having children.

Joseph Borg

Aug 10th 2012, 13:42

If it was for Cana movement, even contraceptives were to be banned.

A Vella

Aug 10th 2012, 13:38

I think this article destroyed all the progress that individual Cana members might have ever done with young couples in the last ten years. Then you wonder why many people do not relate to the Church and stay away.

Victor Pulis

Aug 10th 2012, 13:35

Oh No! here we go again! Put on your armour. another crusade is in the offing!

S Farrugia

Aug 10th 2012, 13:34

Anke bid-divorzju kellu jidhol l-abort, u ma dahalx. Kemm tahseb li tistghu tkunu kredibbli meta toqoghdu tbezzghu bil-babaw. Min irid jaghmel abort nahseb jaf x'ghandu jaghmel ghax mhux l-ewwel darba li jsiru riklami b'xejn fil-gazzetti.

Philip Micallef

Aug 10th 2012, 13:33

What a lot of hogwash, go and tell it to infertile couples yearning to raise a family; how insensitive and insulting they can be; it knows no bounds......................................

M Cachia

Aug 10th 2012, 13:27

There are so many things that are wrong with this article I don't know where to begin! Apart from the ridiculous statment in the title that doen't even warrant a counter argument, how dare anyone say that some people just have to basically lump the fact they cannot have kids. Infertility is a medical impairment that thankfully can be reversed in some cases. How dare you deny anyone the joyful process of having kids? Are they not also created out of love?

James Tyrrell

Aug 10th 2012, 13:23

So there you have it folks, you can either accept the fact that we are now in the 21st century and embrace IVF treatment or you can do as the church wants and revert bact to the 16th century by joining its Wanting and Waiting Group!