Thursday, 6th August 2009
June 6 revisited
Two months have gone by since the European Parliament elections last June. In my blog today I will give by tuppence worth on how both political parties reacted to this result and the ripple effects that have changed our political landscape today.
Joseph Muscat, the new face of Maltese politics
You may argue that Joseph Muscat has been in politics for the last 15 years or so, but producing programmes with political content is one thing and being and MEP and then a party leader is another. And unless you are really politically biased (I can think of a few people who fall under this category) you just can't deny that Muscat played a fundamental role in Labour's victory. But what was the value added that Muscat gave the PL? Easy, about 7% of the electorate (while maintaining the 48% of 2004). For while the PN continued hovering at around the 40% mark, AD had a spectacular debacle losing, surprise surprise, 7% of its percentage in 2004.
So while AD got the result it usually gets in general elections, give or take a percentage point, that 7% of the electorate, which I suspect, usually vote Nationalist found themselves inclined to vote Labour this time round. And there is one reason why they did this, this time and not in '04. The reason may well be Joseph Muscat. In Muscat, pale blue Nationalist voters and floating voters do not only find a Labour leader they feel comfortable voting for but I also believe they see him as a break from Labour's past leaders, someone different, someone you can trust.
Yes, you may argue that next time round these voters will once again vote for the PN. But I also think that the reason why AD always gets a limited amount of votes in general elections is that people don't really believe that they can ever garner enough votes to elect a member of parliament, which can lead voters to feel as if they would be wasting their vote on AD. With Labour it is a completely different scenario and I suspect that pale blue Nationalist voters could keep this in mind when going out to vote in 2013.
Labour and the EU
Another myth that has been broken is that one shouldn't vote for the PL because it campaigned against EU membership in 2003 and so on and so forth, you know the story. A lot of water has gone under a bridge since 2003 but throughout the campaign, the PN never seemed to realise that it was flogging a dead horse by trying to convince people that Labour wasn't a good choice due to the events of 6 years ago. I mean, hadn't they used the same argument in 2004 and failed spectacularly? But I guess you end up resorting to any old issue if you are short of ideas...
The work done by the Labour MEPs in 2004-09 legislature was not only positive for what our country gained but also because everyone got to see how both our political parties can work together towards one common goal; obtaining the best for Malta.
The grass isn't greener on the other side
No one would have liked to be in Prime Minister Gonzi's shoes on June 7 as he smiled and claimed that he was 'in office and in power'. As he faced the biggest electoral defeat in donkey's years, the PM tried to seem in relaxed and in control as he spoke to the press. I don't think anyone was fooled.
The PN face an uphill struggle in an attempt to convince the electorate that they are still the ones to choose. Not only do they face a bleak economic situation, they will find it impossible next time round to blame the Labour for their mishaps. The usual suspects will of course set off on their crusades of demonisation but unless there is substance in their arguments I don't think the people will buy it again. I get this feeling that the grass isn't so green on the other side.
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Eco Gozo as per PN . … bla bla bla and nothing ever concrete! It is just a crude joke by the PN on us Gozitans to pull our legs!! The Eco Gozo we presently live in is very similar to the war zones of the Biafran Ethnic War.
The present state of Gozo is beyond your comprehension and your misinformation is getting much more pitiful then ever.
Let them drown their sorrows with Lager!
Jo prefers champagne.
I hope they wear life jackets in case they fall into the pool.
Are these two, hard done by the Nationalist government?
Pero', dejjem nibqaw jinpurtana, u naqbzu ghal-dawk li jbaghtu taht dan il-gvern ta mninoranza - 40% biss l-ahhar li kellhom, hux?. Ghax ahna parti mis-60% u mhux 'i'm alright u flip you Jack' bhal xi whud.
Nothing new, dan ir-ragel dejjem hu ghandu ragun,you should join us by the pool,no irritable small people here.
Thank you for your version of history regarding the gonziPN. The GonziPN was a slogan- a trademark, if you wish for a specific event which the election campaign was one such.
The only reason why the LP keeps on using gonziPN is that it has the notion that by attacking the leader, it will harm the party's chances of re-election. They have been proven wrong in the past, but they are not fast learners - so be it!
The Nationalists refer to Laburisti as Mintoffjani for the simple reason that even after 28 years of his absence ( during which time he was relegated to the role of 'traditur' from his lofty role as 'salvatur' and even banished from the party), the Mintoffian elements not only remain but Joseph, in his attempt to shore up a badly divided party, invited back all kinds of remnants cast aside from the evil era. There are moderates within the Labour Party who I suspect are none too thrilled with Joseph's idea of a 'new' Labour Party.
It is quite obvious that there is nothing new about Labour especially when the leader has so many old actors pulling his strings.
I asked what ECO-Gozo meant to the LP for the simple reason that Eco-Gozo is the NP's idea of preserving Gozo as primarily an ecological site. Never, before very recently, the LP had displayed any inclination of adopting green policies. But on the closure of Mt. Maghtab and other eco-initiatives by this government, it jumped on the bandwagon, as usual. Maghtab was scheduled for expansion, not closure under Sant's government in 1996-98. The MLP was against the modernization of Sant'Antnin - ask Joseph about that one! And how much hullabaloo was raised when the Marsa modern incinerator was built?
Your anti-everything attitude, simply because they are not LP initiatives and were not accomplished when they had a chance, is evident even from another planet let alone from being far away from your 'misery' so bravely borne by stalwarts like yourself while you and your like, quietly benefit from the progress registered in the last 20 years or so.
address that question to the present Administration of your beloved GONZI PN , in general, and our dear Minister of Gozo, Giovanna, in particular.
I told you a hundred times that you are too far away to have the slightest idea of what is going on. You can never comprehend the ‘shameful eco situation’ we are living in Gozo.
Do you know that drainage still flow in the sea , which is very very near a particular beach that many of us frequent??!!
Please do not rub salt on the injuries we have been suffering so long in Gozo! It is inhuman and unasked for! It is not a question of being blu or red but we all Gozitans
are experiencing a most difficult situation. Thank God there is Gozo Channel and thus some of us can cross daily to gain our livelihood.
Even under these precarious and most difficult situation most of us Gozitans much prefer to live here then to emigrate to Australia, Canada or USA! We are more proud of our Wonderful Gozo then you can ever imagine!
So please ...
Striklandjani, Boffisti, Mintoffjani, Bolxevisti, Komunisti, Interdetjati, Hamilli, Professuri tal boiler-suits, il barbier ta Sqallija and now Joey, were all terms used by the PN to ridicule or belittle the LEJBURISTI.
And now, the kannol bla krema has the cheek to blame others for it! But, it is now clear that il-Kannol Vojt is distancing himself from gonziPN. Thank goodness for that.
Summer is no time to hibernate in that little hole of yours!
@ D Ellul
Gonzi won "against an opposition in pieces"? What makes you so sure that the LP is whole? The wrapping may be fancy but it only disguises what's inside and I can tell you, it ain't pretty! The glue which keeps the old and new factions together has a tendency of drying out and the pieces will fall apart. Give the glue another three or four years and you will know what I mean. In the meantime, gloat about June 6, if that's what makes you and the LP supporters happy.
I was too naive to expect you to answer a direct question directly and to cut the crap. Enjoy yourself; I shall now revert to radio silence as far as your comments are concerned. Much more fun out and about and sipping Lager and lime by the pool in company of nice people.
Which world are you living in that you have not noticed the progress, the wealth, the new industries and the high level of employment not previously enjoyed under Socialist regimes?
You and other LP apologists refer to the government as Gonzipn just to make it appear as if the NP is Dr. Gonzi. I have news for you. When a Nationalist leader steps down, the NP always has a crop of worthy successors, unlike the LP.
If the government (any government) declares a government owned property surplus and puts it on the market in a usual manner, then any offer deemed fair and at market value by any individual or organization, can be accepted. So, if the MLP were interested and offered the best price for the berga, the subject could not be disputed or even discussed.
On the other hand, why can you not cut the bull and tell us why KMB advised against the purchase of the berga by the MLP? Knowing KMB, he must have had some hidden motives?
“..................KMB advised against the MLP buying it. I am sure you are right. By the same token, KMB who is known to have messed up much larger situations costing millions in losses to the public, had his conscience moved in case the berga purchase could be perceived as an inappropriate act! Rich, too darned rich Joseph!! A better explanation would have been that KMB had bigger fish to fry? Did the village do without a berga after the NP bought it? “
OK Joe we agree with you 100%,no argument.....Now cut the bull answer one single question unequivocally,a yes or no would suffice. Would you have found any justification if the Berga was closed down and the premises sold to the Labour Party by a Labour Government?
Mind your English Joe.- Geese and ganders aren't treated the same are they? But we do treat them the same because we garnish them with the same sauce.
Different sauces are used by Gonzi on his chickens.
The real sad part of the Berga turned PN club story at Zebbug is that the club is always closed
MLP 18, NP 3. Leased clubs. The PN fell a bit behind but they are trying to make up for it. If you are a PN supporter or better still a PN MEP you can lease from the government a nice office ‘down the guts’ from Gonzipn for cheap. You don’t believe me? Ask Simon Busuttil. Biex tiskongra trid tkun pur
Might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb. If you're going to get into the same amount of soup...... what's good for the goose is good for Gonzipn.
Let me get this stright. The Zebbug Berga was obviously available for sale. KMB advised against the MLP buying it. I am sure you are right. By the same token, KMB who is known to have messed up much larger situations costing millions in losses to the public, had his conscience moved in case the berga purchase could be perceived as an inappropriate act! Rich, too darned rich Joseph!! A better explanation would have been that KMB had bigger fish to fry? Did the village do without a berga after the NP bought it?
You constantly borrow words from Joseph's mouth and regarding the 'political responsibility' for the VAT 'scandal' I have this to say.
1. It would have been a 'scandal' had the government not taken immediate action for the criminal acts committed by VAT dept. employees and those outside the department who participated in the scheme.
2. Why would politicians be held responsible for the criminal acts of individuals not aided and abetted by the politicians themselves? Need I go back in time when government thugs wreaked havoc and to my knowledge no politician was ever held responsible?
You have to be better, Joseph.
I understand that both the PN and MLP ( PL) came into being long time ago and both enjoyed more then you are claiming! Or maybe you are claiming that 'the world' came into being after 1987?
Ara fiex wasalna! Hallina habib.
Re the "berga' at Zebbug Gozo: In fact in 1986 the Local MLP Committee of Zebbug, Gozo, made enquiries in buying this same "Berga' and turn it into a MLP Club there. The PM then, KMB persuaded the Local Committee that the use of a "Berga' at that village is much more important then having a MLP Club.
Surprise surprise.. with the change of Government .. the BERGA was bought by the PN Committee at Zebbug, few months later and turned into a PN Club!!! Of course the ways and means are most interesting.
Goose and gander aren't treated the same , isn't it?
Back to the present scenario with the 'infamous' VAT scandal! Who is taking political responsability for what happened? Are the PL are to blame too??!!
If you think for one minute that I condone any misdeeds, whether carried out by the MLP or NP, you are grossly mistaken. How about then, the MLP and NP declare a truce and return improperly 'requisitioned' properties to the rightful owners?
The funny thing is that all this came up when it mattered to the MLP. Funny how the MLP never mentioned the alleged improprieties by the NP, before now! Funny how the Simon Busuttil office rental became an issue, without proper research and splashed in a Labour paper.
The MLP, not raising any alarm over 'alleged' irregularities by the NP was either a case of 'let sleeping dogs lie' unless the MLP gets a hurt, or, a case of aiding and abetting in 'crime' or at worst, obstruction of justice!
The news about the Zebbug 'berga' was reported in a Maltese paper and you quote it as being the gospel truth. So far I treat it like any other allegation and innuendo by the MLP for which it has been famous for in decades. It would be interesting to find out how many libel cases the MLP lost for misquoting, doctoring videos and false accusations.
Don't you even know that any construction of any plant which creates emissions of any kind has to meet EU standards - or else?!
Who are you trying to fool? I know why. It is simply to cover up what past Labour governments did to the Marsa Power Station. For starters, during Mintoff's reign, the Marsa station was converted from oil to cheap, sulphur laden coal, (from Communist Poland, then) it's water distillers were improperly maintained, broke down and the parts source nixed Mintoff due to his excellent [sic] relations with the USA. Of course, N. Korea at the time was useless providing parts for a Western produced power plant. It only excelled in arms and psychological warfare.
Why don't you give us a lecture about those who are leaving your party and seeking refuge at the NP's headquarters in Pieta? It will probably be a great read. Siggiewi Labour Club could be another topic.
No matter how much the PN media machine and its lackeys try to belittle and even demonise the man, the citizen knows that theirs is blah. Unless the blues change tack and replace their present leaders, and silence their warped and obnoxious apologists, the PN would soon have to live in Opposition Territory for decades.
Nikita, the vast majority of the population knows that you are right.
With all due respect you have no idea what is going on here and the disastrous situation the present Administration is in. You might try by reading on-line from various sources but still, you will never have an idea that is near to the truth of events.
Here is a practical example of the mess the present GonziPN’s administration is in!
About a year ago, an EneMalta’s report “identifies the use of combined cycle gas
turbines..CCGT …. As being the only generating plant to comply with the present
expected emissions limits in 2020”! Now it seems that EneMalta (whoever runs it)
has changed its positions in preferring the BWSC’s tender of building a new power station run on diesel and heavy fuel oil, as proposed by a certain Joseph Mizzi.
Logic tells us all that such a power station will last just 9 years. Of course, we tax payers are paying for this!
I wonder if you have any comment about this gross mismanagement of GonziPN's Administration at taxpayers’expence!
Besides, where is everybody's sense of humour? Can one not realize that when someone jabs at a blogger, more often than not, he/she uses tongue-in-cheek comments? Like I said before (if you really follow everything I write) you will realize that I will not stand idle at misinformation and spinning of FACTS irrespective of who the author is.
When and if I am out of line, I beg you and others present valid reasons for thinking that way and I shall be the first one to admit my mistake.
I think that it is Nikita who should apologize for calling me 'a little man' since that is a direct insult, however I am not holding my breath and I don't mind it one bit. It only demonstrates that my comments must have hit a soft spot, that's all!
Which part do you not understand that I made it clear that the criticism was directed at the essay, not the person?
We all know that young Nikita is bursting with enthusiasm to give a meaningful contribution to a cause which really, truly and whole heartedly she believes in and she does a good job at that. Even if one doesn’t share her political inclinations decency dictates that one has to respect her views and debates them, which is what decent people do or at least give her a sporting chance. Mr.Martinelli’s agenda is not to debate a statement, his mission is to ridicule and attack the persona of his political opponents and then try to portray himself as the most professional and righteous contributor of our times. We all know, except him, that he’s failing his precious Gonzipn miserably and that is why I normally ignore the likes of him.
Somebody had to say this.
You don't seem to realise that you attacked the person rather than the argument at least two times in this comments section (if not more). You said that the article is a third grade essay that makes you laugh. You also said that Nikita's views are not worth more than tuppence. In your last comment you went as far as saying that the blogger is not intelligent despite claiming that you don't know the person. Mr. Martinelli, you don't have to be arrogant and patronising to show that you have the best arguments, as you're putting your basic manners in doubt.
As much as I do not know Nikita, she does not know me and I would like to keep it that way.
It is her messages which I sometimes bother to comment on and since you describe her as being "one very smart and intelligent young lady " I wonder why she presents comments and arguments which sometimes put her qualifications in doubt.
True the MLP has been built on a lot of solid 'stones' such as the likes of Mr. Dom Mintoff and his immediate successor whose iron fists smashed democracy in Malta.
Unlike Nikita, I am not affiliated with ANY political party and not urged by anyone to write for or against a political party in Malta or elsewhere, but I cannot stay idle in the face of mud slinging, misinformation and feeble attempts at rewriting history. I was never employed by a government agency, the civil service and neither have I ever received any favours from the NP much less from the MLP!
Sorry, Mr. Buttigieg, you come up short again.
In my book you are down as one very smart and intelligent young lady and one of the solid stones which the PL continues to build itself upon. Your positive outlook on the future irritates the pedants and the likes of the Canadian fellow react by hurling insults.
A lot of people, myself included, enjoy a good debate on the blog webs and we use it to fill some of our leisurely time, we live to blog in a way, however pedantic fools blog to live and enjoy receiving the resentment of others. Believe me even the decent PN supporters resent this type of PN apologists. We need to ignore them and react only to decent and well intended criticism.
A party is elected to govern by obtaining a majority of votes. It does not matter whether on top of the core supporters the floater vote comes from one source or another. The floating voters vary from election to election. There are no set patterns. Using your same argument then, one can say that last election won by the PN, happened because 1500 Lejburisti decided to vote PN ! Preposterous isn't it?
When you write a piece like this one, you should be the last one to admit that you got information upon which you base your arguments, from an opposing party's media! Yes, the PN said that the AD and absenting Natiionalists caused loss of votes. What did you expect the PN media to say? Do you take as gospel every detail which comes out of Radio One or One TV ? If you are that sort you are indeed naive because quoting facts is one thing but to regard conjectures as the bible, is another.
The myth you should have written about is that Joseph and the LP truly believe in the EU.
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I find it odd that you went out of your usual custom in order to comment on your own blog in response to comments by 'a small man'. I am under the impression that blogs are written for a free discussion and comments preferably by people in the know. You should not be so upset if someone else's opinion varies from the propaganda piece you disseminate. In science, the premise is that 'for every action there is an equal and opposing reaction'. That's a fact and not a myth. If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, some say. Have I struck a nerve somewhere?
When I consider someone as 'a little person' I usually ignore and never react to his or her comments since lowering myself to their level, I find beneath me. So please don't bother responding in case you belittle yourself too.
I do not usually comment on my own blog. If you think that my piece is hogwash don't read my blog and your third rate attempt at belittling me shows what a little man you are.
Second if you had been around straight after the election you'd have heard your own party's media claim straight and plain that 'il voti tal-AD haduhom tal-Labour'. I wouldn't be so haughty as to claim that the PL 'took' the votes as the voter is wholely free to choose whoever candidate he likes, unless of course you have parties that think that votes are theirs by default. Judging by the way that the PN usually like to think that AD steal their votes, the nationalists fully fit this description.
Thirdly you are misquoting me when you seem to imply that I had said that Labour did not campaign against Eu membership. Well, of course Labour campaigned against, no one denies it. The myth i referred to was that the PN try to bring that it up as an excuse to vote Nationalist and on 2 consecutive European elections they failed. I suggest you read more carefully.
Just tell me where I twisted facts and I shall perhaps rewrite history just to please the Lejburisti who find themselves 22 years behind the times and hoping that three years from now they will inherit heaven! Even if that unlikely event happens, they would not know what to do with the power buttons under their thumbs as much as they did not know what to do in 1996 and lost everything 22 months later, not by a crafty move by the Opposition, but by one of their own - the Salvatur (Happy Birthday Dom!) or the 'traditur?' But I forget, they did something - they froze Malta's application to join the EU and threw us back at least four years. That's what Sant & Co accomplished in their miserable 22 month tenure.
And, Buttigieg, if I were you, I would not mention deficits because the largest deficit in one year happened while your ex was piloting SS Malta and what did we get? An embellishment of the Bugibba promenade!
Labour supprters besiege Nat. Part speakers in Marsa....Mintoffian supporters attack a landrover and over turn it. One supporter shoots at a police car...some supporters try to break into the PN Hamrun club.
13th: Day of climax of violence. Labour supporters heavily attack National Press and six nat. party clubs: Vallettas, Floriana, Hamrun, St. Venera, Msisa, Gzira.. After the demonstration lab supporters arrive in a private bus. Attack on the Press {Nat. P Hqrs} starts at 8.15 pm Axes are used rto smash the door. Nartionalis Women Club Hamrun invaded, looted and all furniture destroyed. The same thing happened at St. Venera. Club destroyed Car belonging to Dr. Antoine Mifsud Bonnici smashed..
17th Unsucessful attempt to set PN club main door on fire.
15th 1942. Arrival of Santa Maria Convoy - Liberation of Malta.
8th May 1987.....Ghall-erwieh....hlisna mit-tiranni.
60%, repeat sixty per cent, against, is a monstrous defeat for GonziPn - the worst since the forties. Wow, 60% - what a whopping slap in the face. Indeed, theirs should be as red as beetroots. But, alas, they are so good at make up.
Thank God that the 1500 (and many more) voters have now realised their huge mistake.
Even an annual 6wks vacation in Malta, won't be enough to understand the present disastrous and precarious situation we live in.
Capish habib? ( Sibt xi tfisser 'KARFA" ?)
These statistics are confirming the precarious situation of the government’s finances.
In the past, the Nationalist government played around with figures to portray an “unrealistic” picture of the country. The €200 million issued in stocks went to finance the deficit, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.
Gonzi’s MEPA had approved the construction of a villa on a land owned by former PN president Victor Scerri in Bahrija, only to declare it null, following a damning audit report.
A number of files, including PA 6321/02, related with the outline permit, together with the blue prints of the original structure, "went missing" from MEPA’s offices.
The Police Force is refusing to answer questions on whether an investigation will be carried out in regards to the missing documents.
The audit report confirmed the documents’ importance, as it showed that they might shed light on who should be held responsible for the case.
If the file remains missing, one cannot be certain what the motivation was behind the DCC’s approval of the development.
Gonzi is leaving it up to MEPA’s board, as well as to its chairman, to decide if they should take up responsibility for approving the permit, while Victor Scerri has made it very clear that he would not be responsible for MEPA’s mistake.
Now-that-Gonzi lost control can someone tell us who is actually captaining SS Malta?
Dear Nikita, your third grade essay is so full of suppositions, misstatements and conjectures, it makes me laugh. The only part I seem to agree with is your opening statement, " I will give by (my?) tuppence worth..." Certainly not worth much more than that.
After the opening sentence, things started going downhill fast starting with your statistical powers claiming that AD lost "... AD had a spectacular debacle losing, surprise surprise, 7% of its percentage in 2004. 7% of the 11% all other parties received in 2004 does not add up to the 7% increase in Labour votes - read your para 2 again (7% of its percentage in 2004). You also assume that AD lost votes all went to Labour - how do you know? One can argue that all those who stayed home were Nationalist voters who, nonetheless will vote PN next election. An equally valid if not reckless assumption, would you not agree?
There is nothing mythical about the PL campaigning against joining the EU - it is a fact.
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Contrary to Gonzi’s “zero tolerance” pledge on ODZ, the planning authority approved the construction of apartments at the edge of a high ridge, next to a popular belvedere visited by many tourists.
Mayor Paul Buttigieg publicly declared that they had objected to the permit on two accounts. The belvedere is one of the best views of Qala and Gozo. It attracts many tourists, as well as their concerns that such development would hinder the view.
A few months ago this application was refused by the same DCC board. However, following minor changes in the application, the same DCC board approved the permit. Yet, such proposal goes against MEPA’s regulations.
Paul Buttigieg cannot understand how MEPA voted against the project to change its mind afterwards. As a representative of the local council, Mr.Buttigieg was not permitted to talk, because, they told them that the local council is not a registered objector.
@ F Chircop
You slipped a bit comrade as the true picture shows 60% anti PN. 55% from PL,5% from other parties. X’ma jiddisprawx ta GONZIPN!
So by writing, "Another myth that has been broken is that one shouldn't vote for the PL because it campaigned against EU membership in 2003" you simply confirm that voting patterns for Local Councils and MEPs are substantially different than those for General Elections.
"...everyone got to see how both our political parties can work together towards one common goal; obtaining the best for Malta". The 'togetherness' you wrote about was indeed exemplary especially when the three Labour MEP's voted three ways on a same issue!
"...the PM tried to seem in relaxed and in control as he spoke to the press. I don't think anyone was fooled". Goes to prove that you do not know much about the man!
"...but unless there is substance in their arguments I don't think the people will buy it again". If I were a betting man I would take you up on that. Let's face it, the odds are strongly in favour of the NP since they took six out of seven electoral decisions since 1981. Yes, Malta, like the rest of the world is going through some unpleasant adjustments but the element of TRUST still remains the property of the NP.
Once bitten twice shy. You hit the nail on the head. That is exactly how the people reasoned on June 6. They were bitten once, twice, and three times by the PN. These people now feel comfortable to vote for the Labour Party for the first time after 1996. After 25 years in government you expect to win another election? I just hope that common sense will prevail.
@GiovDeMartino
According to the latest poll, i.e. the EP election poll, 55% of the electorate did not vote for GonziPN. If this result was a joke for you, as it was for Gonzi (apparently he didn't take it seriously as he still sported that silly smile after the results were out and claimed that he is still in office and in power), then you should refresh your knowledge on how democracy works. 55% is not the 49% or the +1500 votes Gonzi managed to get in 2008.
My dear since you seem to have a book of English expressions next to you , I will quote one for you , once bitten twice shy. Never again..... let’s have a dictatorial system, sod the 60% that don’t support Gonzipn.