AD wants Electoral Commission to explain voting procedure

Seamus Riolo

Mar 7th, 00:00

I don't see your logic "Vote ad and get Labor". If you vote AD you help them to get a seat in parliament, and you have the choice to vote AD and PN together, which you would help both AD and PN to get seats in parliament.

You can vote 1 to PN to help them get in government, give the 2 to AD to help them get a seat, and continue the rest on PN to help them get more seats. So explain your logic.

Seamus Riolo

Mar 6th, 23:43

Well said, Both big parties have been bought and sold to big corporations/banks and Contractors. Both big parties have lost their beliefs and Ideologies. They are not Socialists/Nationalists anymore, They are not Left or Right anymore. They are both Center Capitalists, and in most cases they go to the right-conservative(like drugs), and in Election time they become Populist Christmas Fathers.

Seamus Riolo

Mar 6th, 23:35

Part 1
So what if we get Muscat in government? Or Gonzi for that matter? There are people called critical thinkers in your country, or people with reason, who are not partisan or loyal to any party and have realized their isn't much difference between the two big parties since they both have been bought and sold by the big corporations/contractors.(To be Continued)

Seamus Riolo

Mar 6th, 23:37

Part 2
For us the biggest wish is for the two-party system to break, so the two-major parties loose a little bit of their power, and we can truly have malta back and "Taghna Lkoll" again, not of the parties and the corps/contractors. But you cannot understand our logic if your a blue/red sheep supporting your leader blindly, or if you are eating a piece of the pie and is afraid to loose it.

Robert Callus

Mar 5th, 17:35

If you really think there is a difference between PN and PL that's what you should do. But that's not the point of this article.

The politicians that lied to the people (which is what this article is about) did so about the No2. They told them it invalidates the vote if one switches party.

And that is a form of FRAUD. Get it now?

Seamus Riolo

Mar 6th, 23:22

Actually E.Gatt it's better if you stop talking about the voting system if you don't know how it works, your spreading misinformation. the Quota is not 4000, the quota changes depending on how many people vote. And if you still has a preference and and still believe in one of the big parties, then it means your still happily brainwashed in my opinion.

Seamus Riolo

Mar 6th, 23:32

A Response to E Gatt's misinformation spread about the 4000 votes in one distrect quota.

Actually this is how it works: Quota = (Valid votes cast division by seats to be filled + 1) +1
So if you have a district were 5 seats need to be filled, and you have 20,000 valid votes: 20,000 division by 6 +1 the quota would be 3334 valid votes to get a seats.

Seamus Riolo

Mar 6th, 23:16

You can help a the third party have a seat in parliament! You can give the 1 to AD, and if you want PN out and labor in government, vote also their candidates.
You can even give the one to a PL candidate, the two to AD, and give the rest to the rest of the PL.

You can even give some votes to PN if you see any candidates you like. but for AD cause they are small, the one helps them more.

H. Meilak

Mar 6th, 09:08

It it very easy Franco. I was an AD follower and in the last elections I voted PN. Michael Briguglio was/is an AD follower and he votes PL.

Seamus Riolo

Mar 6th, 23:13

H.Meilak,
I Don't think Franco wants to know how you and briguglio voted, I think he wants to know how cross voting works.. Like the AD is telling the Electoral Comission to show the people how it works..

Andre Vella

Mar 5th, 13:19

No one owns your vote. You vote who you want to. Voting AD does not mean a vote less fpr PN or PL, it means a vote for AD.

James Micallef

Mar 5th, 13:26

"AD have no chance of getting a quota" because PL and PN fudged the system so it only works for them. We used to have seat-based only, which broke in 1981. It was intentionally 'fixed' to allow proportionality ONLY for PL and PN and exclude 3rd parties. PLPN democracy is that 3rd party can get 10-15% of vote and zero seats. True democracy a party would get a seat with 1/65 of vote = 1.5%

Seamus Riolo

Mar 5th, 14:15

State your facts while Voting AD will only increase the gap.. As far as my logic serves me, if more non-voters will vote ad, the PL and PN voting numbers will not be effected by AD voters. If more Labor voters decide to vote AD, it will be in favor of pn, the opposite only will be in favor of PL.

You can vote PN as your number 1 if you prefer PN and give the 2 to ad.

D Borg

Mar 5th, 15:57

Maybe Briguglio voted Labour in 2008 due to divergence of opinion with the then AD leader Harry Vassallo and because he realised that the PN needed to cleanse themselves in Opposition.

If Labour are ahead, then they will either get an absolute of relative majority, both of which will result in Joseph Muscat as Prime Minister, unless AD gets elected and a PN/PL + AD coalition may be on the cards

Jos Borg

Mar 5th, 17:00

@ James Micallef

Mention one country in which a party is represented in parliament with a 1.5% of the vote.

As far as I know the countries which impose a quota is always above 5%.

Reuben Zammit

Mar 5th, 13:53

Hargu fuq id-distretti kollha

Seamus Riolo

Mar 5th, 14:13

Sa fejn naf jien l AD dejjem attakat il giex nahat, Sahansitra tasal isejhilom bhala PNPL jew PLPN, ax huma l istess haga b kulur diferenti u ucuh differenti..

Seamus Riolo

Mar 5th, 14:12

I advise you to learn to read.. Briguglio's vote wasn't cast on color, but on Ideology, as far as we can know. Prefering a socialist government is not being "Labuist", it's sticking to an Ideology.. I don't know what "Gashin" means, but attacking someone or a party and stating they are imbarraz, you should state your reasons for that. Simply Cross-Voting is not a reason for someone to be Imbaraz.

Robert Callus

Mar 5th, 11:45

The way they lied to the electorate is not just hunger for power. It's plain dishonesty. The politicians who did so should be completely ashamed of themselves.

Saviour Sam Agius

Mar 5th, 12:12

Għal min qed jgħid li l-AD u l-PL huma l-istess ħaġa, ta' min jiftakar li fi żmien ir-referendum dwar l-UE tal-PL kienu jargumentaw li l-PN u l-AD huma l-istess ħaġa. Milli jidher ma nistgħux noħorġu mill-idea li f'Malta m'hawn xejn għajr il-PL u l-PN. Qishom kienu hemm it-tnejn minn ewl id-dinja.

Andre Vella

Mar 5th, 12:23

He never said he gave number 1 to PL. Inform yourself.

D Borg

Mar 5th, 13:06

AD including Briguglio is taken seriously simply because they are HONEST.

James Micallef

Mar 5th, 13:23

However anyone voted in a past election has absolutely nothing at all to do with this

Seamus Riolo

Mar 5th, 14:09

Simply, is someone is honest, he should be taken seriously. He saw fit that he should elect a socialist government in 2008, and give his second preference to AD so there can be a seat in parliament, and he was honest about. Do you know any more reasons other then Honesty for taking someone seriously?

Luke Caruana

Mar 5th, 11:48

WHat's wrong with being honest? better then have a PLPN leader preaching lies for the next 5 years. Besides as you stated yourself he was a local councillor and not a general candidate. A position which is totally different.

Gilbert Busuttil

Mar 5th, 12:58

It was always clear that by voting AD you were in effect voting Labour. Historically it's PN voters who switch to AD and by doing that, the PN percentage goes down increasing the chance for Labour. Now thanks to Michael Briguglio it's even more clear!

Seamus Riolo

Mar 5th, 14:07

Can't someone change his decision and tell it to others after 5years? Actually that's how it should be, voting who you think deserves your vote, which can change from time to time, and not stick to a party and vote it in his wrong or right, that's being partisan, which is not healthy to democracy.