Labour Party club fight - man critical
Rabat PL Club fight - man in danger of dying
A man who was injured in a fight at the Rabat Labour Party club late yesterday is in critical condition, the police have confirmed.
The police said they were informed of the case at 9.30 pm.
On going to the scene, the police found a 37-year-old man from Marsa on the floor.
Also involved were a 49-year-old man from Sta Venera, a 52-year-old man from Msida and a 41-year-old woman from Cospicua, all of whom were injured.
The 37-year-old man was taken to hospital in an ambulance.
Magistrate Audrey Demicoli is holding an inquiry.
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Christina Sammut
Feb 19th, 14:51
To all labour movement apologists: If you really want to know why this fight might have occurred you should visit (and enjoy) the site which is almost always first in breaking-news in Malta, namely, daphnecaruanagalzia.com. It is nothing more than more sleaze. Any doubts now why Labour won’t work?
Eddy Privitera
Feb 19th, 09:14
Let us, for argument's sake , say that two labourites walk into a PN club Bar far away from their own village, so nobody knows them,, and after some time start a fight intentionally. Start braking up tables, chairs, glasses, bottles etc..What would GonzPN officials , such as Simon Busuttil Dr. Gonzi, PBO say about the matter ? Will they say they are responsible ? Of course not !
George Cassar
Feb 18th, 21:22
It's a pity that this happened as both Party's clubs help each other out a lot. They even collected money for l-Istrina and both barmen presented it together to the President. If some of their clients are violent it has nothing to do with anything related to the Political parties. It is sad to think a person is critical after a fight which we still don't know how it happened until the Police speaks out.
David Triganza
Feb 18th, 20:05
GonziPN made administrative structures just for the sake of telling us that we have them available? Government has to be proactive and not just reactive to news when published on newspapers! What kind of government is this?
Mr raynond ciancio
Feb 18th, 19:39
A fight could have happened in any bar, this bar happened to be in a labour party club, big deal, so now its labour's fault u halluna ma kollox qed tippruvaw taqbdu.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 21:15
Please do not treat this case of GBH at the Rabat LP club, putting someone in imminent danger of loss of life, in isolation from the other two cases of criminal activities in LP clubs that the LP deputy leader sought to sweep under the carpet out of sight of senior police officers, an interference brazenly supported by Joseph Muscat.
N. Borg
Feb 18th, 19:37
While I think one should wait for the whole details to be revealed before we judge PL/MLP or anyone for that matter, I doubt whether any details will be given! Especially with the past record of MLP in hiding information!
Aaron Debattista
Feb 18th, 19:36
Enjoy squabbling about politics while a man is seriously injured. I don't think it really matters in which club it happened (inside or outside). Are we voting for the parties or the people who support them? Does it occur to anyone that a person may get violent because he/she is... violent? You know... Not having to do with red or blue? Wish this man a healthy recovery and let that be the end of it
Mr raynond ciancio
Feb 18th, 19:42
well said my friend
K.G. Vella
Feb 18th, 20:26
Hear hear!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 21:22
Remove your blinkers and take a wider view of all criminal activity hitting the headlines recently and closely associated with the Labour Party and the reaction of the LP leaders to that criminality in different LP clubs. It is hard to believe in recurrent coincidences rather than a regular pattern.
James Dewar
Feb 18th, 22:43
I agree and would add that it is disappointing to see what does seem to be an increase in violence in Malta. The location is irrelevant.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:49
Aaron, your comment is to be treasured. I wish all would read it and move on beyond petty political squabbling. I also wish the person a speedy recovery as do all of good will regardless of political persuasion.
Eddy Privitera
Feb 19th, 09:01
Francis Saliba M.D. I would have expected that you are much more intelligent than what you are showing in your comments about this case ! You obviously hope that voters are so stupid that they will change their opinion because two or three people ended fighting in or out of a political club, without even knowing who these people were and on why they started fighting !
Matthew Grima
Feb 20th, 10:00
Did you just say "Remove your blinkers"? Isn't that a bit ironic considering the rest of the paragraph?
Well said Aaron Debattista.
Ray Buhagiar
Feb 18th, 18:59
I can's start to imagine what will happen on the 11th March 2013
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:45
On March 11th everyone will go about their business as usual.
VINCENT WILLIAMS
Feb 18th, 17:59
It is strange that not a single person involved is from Rabat.
One of the political parties' e-newspaper reported. I quote: "Fil-post qabel l-istess glieda, dehru ukoll karozzi bil-hgieg tinted li ssoltu ma jiffrekwentawx din iz-zona u kien hemm moviment mhux tas-soltu fl-inhawi."
It seems that here is an Agatha Christe case. We'll wait and see.
Dennis Zammit
Feb 18th, 17:53
Malta tagħna lkoll . . . except for those attacked in their own club.
The MLP slogan should read ' Malta tagħna l-Laburisti lkoll . . . u ĦADD aktar'
Ganni Borg
Feb 18th, 19:00
Well said. They sing " Taghna lkoll" of course of those who are singing
Karl Consiglio
Feb 18th, 17:40
Labour thuggery still alive by the looks of it
joseph azzopardi
Feb 18th, 20:35
Who said the people involved are Labour? Any proof my friend? So do you consider that if someone goes to a Labour party for a drink is labour? PN and PL clubs are open to all.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:55
Will you PN apologists never stop sinking into the muck and mire. All we know is that a fight occurred in front of a PL club. How you can then make such an incredulous and baseless statement is beyond belief.
Tony Agius
Feb 18th, 17:06
A man is CRITICAL ,we citizens have the right to know what happened,it is the police duty to inform us and explain to us WHAT HAPPENED,we are asking for a PRESS RELEASE by the police please, do we have to go farther so that the police will do it? if yes OK WE GO.
Joe M Borg
Feb 18th, 17:19
A lot depends whether THIS case will be left in the hands of the policeman (friend) whom Tony Abela talked to in the Attard case. Is so, probably this case will be hushed. I hope that the truth comes out, for the sake of the injured people's justice!
Joe M Borg
Feb 18th, 17:05
More PL party club headaches for poor Tony Abela, I'm afraid. Joseph has full confidence in him. He can keep him! It seems that Tony is not doing a very fine job!
Eddy Privitera
Feb 18th, 17:46
Joe M Borg: You seem to be praying that voters FORGET how Dr. Gonzi and his government had fooled them for years, and just think about the stupid arguments that are being spun by Simon Busuttil and Lawrence Gonzi !!!
Ruben Mifsud
Feb 18th, 18:59
@ Eddy Privitera,
Toni Abela issue is not stupid arguments, hearsay or allegations, it is a recorded fact which were never denied!! The only stupid arguments are, to justify the actions by Toni Abela from JM & Co. !!
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Feb 19th, 00:22
@ EDDY PRIVITERA ARA ISSIBX XI PULUZIJA LABORISTA U TGHIDLU BIEX MA JIHUX PASSI. AHNA KELNA NKWIET INTERN WARA L ELEZJOINI, INTHOM GHANDKOM INKWIET QABEL AHSEB X GEJ WARA JEKK ALLAHARES TKUNU FIL GVERN.
oliver pulis
Feb 18th, 16:57
in a article issued in the Maltastar, says the brawl took place outside the club after they were misbehaving and ordered to go outside. Again i appeal to all not to instigate or blow up things, lets wait for the police to issue a statement. last time a similar brawl happened in a political club, i only could pray for his soul. Thank you again
Ruben Mifsud
Feb 18th, 19:02
If the brawl happened outside the club, then how come there was damage in the bar area ??
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 16:55
The cardinal sin is not that serious crimes occur. It is that when they occur in LP clubs its leaders do not unreservedly condemn it and do not call in the police to do their duty; instead they adopt a devious procedure to shield the culprits from the arms of the law, to sweep the crime under the carpet, and to exert pressure on PCs not to do their duty. Such people are not fit to govern.
P Bonnici
Feb 18th, 17:37
As if the PN would have acted otherwise, had it happened in a PN club!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Feb 18th, 17:50
Saliba . JM has already stated that he condemns all violence, in relation to this incident. Haven't you read? As for the rest of your statement, it is pure figment of your imagination gone wild. From one case you now make it plural - how is that for honesty? I think you should aplogise to the LP.
K.G. Vella
Feb 18th, 18:03
It has been unreservedly condemned Dr. Saliba.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 20:47
@P Bonnici, A Camilleri, KG Vella
Jos Muscat SUPPORTED Dr T Abela's obstruction of the police investigation re drug trafficking and his direct approach to a labour-leaning PC to delay police action. That is NOT unreserved condemnation. That is condoning interference with police duties.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 21:02
@ P Bonnici, A Camilleri KG Vella
In the ongoing case at the Rabat LP club, the usual interference by LP leaders in police operations was short circuited by the emergency hospital and police procedures in a case of GBH putting someone's life in imminent danger. No credit is due to Muscat, Abela etc if on this occasion the abhorred interference with the police duties had no time to chip in.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:16
Again Francis I ask you, can you categorically and unreservedly confirm that nothing is being hushed up in PN clubs? Just because something hasn't been discovered yet doesn't mean it's not happening. Just look at the oil procurement scandal. Until Malta Today exposed it no one knew as the gov't wasn't being too proactive in unmasking possible corruption.
Alexander Genuis
Feb 18th, 16:54
@George calleja:L-ewwel haga Jien jisimnhi ALEX,mhux Aelx,it-tieni Calleja,Jien mhux papagall,dak ssibhom post iehor.,m'Hemmx bzonn Jghid Joeseph Muscat u Jien x'kien gara,kullhadd Jaf x'Kien gara gewwa MARSAXLOKK u min Kien il-Vittma,Toqghdou xTILGHABU tal-innocenti,TITQANZHUX !!!Ajhar nawguraw fejqn ta malajr,mhux NONFHU kollox.
A Abela
Feb 18th, 16:52
Who said that the incident happened at the pl club. Another report is saying that the fight broke out outside the pl club after the were thrown out of the club because they were misbehaving. Lets wait for the police investigation and lets wish a speed recovery to the injured person. Kuragg
Richard Caruana
Feb 18th, 17:08
You're joking Mr Abela.
A fight of 25 minutes was witnessed inside the club. You're obviously following One News. Next they'll be telling you that there was children playing inside the club and didn't notice anything!
Eddy Privitera
Feb 18th, 17:42
Richard Caruana: Remember the fight which had started in the PN club at Marsaxlokk ? Remember how it had ended ???? So should people take that fight into consideration too ??
A Abela
Feb 18th, 19:35
@ r caruana
And who witnesed the 25 min fight? You are obviosly follwing Net News
joseph azzopardi
Feb 18th, 16:36
All LP and PN clubs are open to all people. For one I go to both clubs for a drink or meal.
Albert Bonello
Feb 18th, 16:27
I ask all those PL bloggers what their reaction would have been had the story been the other way round, i.e. the incident occurring in a PN Club? I leave it to your imagination! And yes may I on behalf of all PN supporters wish this unknown person who is in a critical condition a speedy recovery.
R. Balzan
Feb 18th, 16:49
@ Albert Bonello - for accuracy's sake, the fight occurred OUTSIDE the PL Club of Rabat after this same group was misbehaving inside and were told to leave the premises. What's so wrong in telling the whole truth?
Joe M Borg
Feb 18th, 17:12
Yes, THAT's the trouble, R Balzan, telling ALL the truth. Tony claimed three times that he DID'NT go to the police for the Attard incident. Then he had trouble with white substances, about which he did NOTHING. And now a fight 'outside', but which started 'inside'. Whether outside or inside, several people got injured. Tony seems to have lost control of party clubs. It's a free for all!
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:25
Joe M Borg
As far as your concern about drug abuse, then why not publicly condemn the PN for pardoning convicted drug dealers? Or are you only concerned about possible drug barons and not the ones that after being convicted are let loose by the PN administration. Do you believe that the ones the PN let go went on to lead model and honest lives? Do you agree with freeing the Merchants of Death?
P Borg
Feb 18th, 16:04
Labour claims that it will put the country in order when it is very far from having itself in order!
P Borg
Feb 18th, 17:07
Politics aside, I really hope the person in a critical condition will recover!
carlos ellul
Feb 18th, 15:52
Politics has nothing to do with this. It would be naive and counter productive for national parties to try and get political gain out of such tragedy.
Joe M Borg
Feb 18th, 17:15
Politics has NOTHING to do with: Attard club trouble; white substance being circulated; free for all at Rabat! Tony seems to be failing badly in his job of overseeing the party clubs. And all with Joseph's blessings. Don't blame the Nationalists for PL incompetence!
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:30
JM Borg
So no trouble ever occurred at PN clubs? Can you prove that Joseph gave his blessings for any of the actions you've mentioned? And, as far as incompetence is considered, the PN are the Nobel laureates. Turning a billion left to them by the MLP in 1987 and turning it into 5 billion+ in debt? Never balancing a budget, leaving their mismanagement for the PL to clean up, as in 1971.
oliver pulis
Feb 18th, 15:50
hope the person concerned recovers. That's the first thing that comes to my mind. So please grow up and don't instigate or blow up things. These incidents can happen everywere. I am sure that all Party leaders don't want these incidents to happen, so again, please, be careful what you write. Thank you
Leonard Brincat
Feb 18th, 15:41
Kemm hawn min hu patetiku ghax inqalat glieda ha joghoqodu issemmu it tmeninijiet ara ma ghandkhomx ma xiex tigranfaw. Mela daqqa ta ponnn ghax ma ridtx il vot dak tajjeb ghax nazjonalist. halluna il vjolenza hazina tigi min fejn tigi.
Mr Kevin Zammit
Feb 18th, 15:38
even with this latest stupidity this year fights on politics still lags behind fights on saints and festas
peter camilleri
Feb 18th, 15:34
Is-sewwa mhu monopolju ta' hadd kif il-glied jista' jsehh kullimkien. Li rrid nghid hu li dak li gara l-bierah go centru tal-PL jista' ghada pitghada jsehh go centru tal-PN, Alla hares qatt dejjem. Allura ahjar nistudjaw dak li gara' l-bierah biex niehdu taghlima u niehdu l-passi biex dawn l-affarijiet ma jergawx isehhu.
Mario Bonnici
Feb 18th, 16:10
Sewwa qed tghid. Filfatt diga gara kaz ikrah ftit tas-snin ilu. Qtil quddiem il-kazin nazzjonalista ta' M'Xlokk wara argument li kien inqala fl-istess kazin.
S. Zammit
Feb 18th, 15:32
Whatever the case may be, hope he recovers well. From a PN supporter to a PL supporter, though both Maltese. God only knows what his family are going through at this time.
Peter Bonello
Feb 18th, 16:07
well said!
Richard Caruana
Feb 18th, 15:27
Only a few posts back someone was saying that it was the PN who were blowing up out of proportion by saying that a man is in critical condition while the Times originally reported that he suffered slight injuries.
This is appalling coming from a party who is aspiring to govern the country.
We're heard too many incidents in PL clubs to feel safe.
Joseph Bugeja
Feb 18th, 16:09
We've had a murder connected to a P.N. club but I am not puerile like you to say it was the P.N.'s fault. They just happened to be in a P.N. club and now this fight just happened in a P.L. one. Recently we even had a brawl in a church. Was it the Curia's fault?
Talk of drowning men!!!
Marthese Cassar
Feb 18th, 16:28
what about the PN Mosta incident and the M' Xlokk muder which started from the PN's local club. Shame on you PN apologists for trying to take advantage of such an unfortunate situation.
www.timesofmalta.com/.../man-killed-in-marsaxlokk-stabbing.29517
K. Vella II
Feb 18th, 16:58
The reality is that these clubs often take a life of their own, way out of the control of the parties that own them.
Alfred Falzon
Feb 18th, 15:26
Do these ugly incidents, including recent ones, spell out d decline & fall of political clubs on our Island due to d inability of a Party to act against all those who r undermining its credibility?
To date we have witnessed a string of abuses that have gone unpunished, with very little concern for those who believe that a Party should only deserve to govern its people if it leads by example!
aaf
Wilfred Camilleri
Feb 18th, 15:21
The violence has started and they're not in government yet! Heaven help us!
Alexander Genuis
Feb 18th, 15:26
Insejt x'gara fil-kazin Nazzjonalista ta MARSAXLOKK Camilleri???????????!!!!!!!!!1
George Calleja
Feb 18th, 15:44
@ Aelx Genuis
Qed taghmilha ta pappagall ghax Joseph tieghek hekk qal ukoll....jidher li beda jberraq ghax Toni kellu zewg kazi gravi f'kazini laburisti differenti .....u heba kollox biex ma jidhirx ikrah il-partit...ara issa kollox kellu jigi rappurtat...u Joseph jibqa cass !!!!!!
A Abela
Feb 18th, 17:03
@ george calleja
Min qed jitkellem fuq il pappagalli
Kevin Bonello
Feb 18th, 15:14
Mela nsejtuh il glied waqt festival indipendenza xi 3 snin ilu! Hahaha patetici!
Daniela Spiteri
Feb 18th, 15:32
Kevin,
il-"glied" waqt il-festival tal-Indipendenza (li fuq kollox ma nafx ghal xiex qed tirreferi) zgur li (jekk sehh) mhux gravi daqs il-glieda tal-bierah: hemm persuna fil-periklu tal-mewt!
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:37
Daniela Spiteri
Both political parties' clubs have had problems. Trying to pretend that only PL ones do is dishonest. You know that some very serious incidents happened in PN clubs one even leading to death. So let's just say that the incident in Rabat was a grave criminal act perpetrated by individuals for reasons,so far, unknown and there is no evidence of a political nature.
Michael Bugeja
Feb 18th, 15:09
Naqbel hafna ma dawk li qalu li l-clubs (political) ghandhom jinalqu sa kemm taghddi l-elezzjoni, pero l-partiti ghandhom jaghmlu tajjeb ghat telf li jsofru
j brincat
Feb 18th, 15:03
Hope not that there should be any political bias on this issue!
Cause we ALL remember what happened at a PN Club in the South, some years back!
And also another PN club to the North!
jb
R. Saliba
Feb 18th, 15:42
contradicting yourself in the same comment does not make you look bright my friend.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:39
R Saliba
In case you didn't follow, he is saying that people in glass houses should not throw stones(mud?).
N Caruana
Feb 18th, 15:01
I'm a floater and at the moment I'm just evaluating the pros and cons for both parties. Even though this fight was just between Labour party members but it represents what it will be like in the future, it's dangerous and unsafe. I'm afraid that there's a lot of things which brings doubts before considering to vote Labour, it's like a step back rather than forward. What a pity!
Vince Catania
Feb 18th, 15:38
I don't believe you are a floating voter to write this message. Anyway, no one knows who these people are and who they support, no one knows what the fight was for and PN supporters don't remember the violence in their clubs.
Violence is always condemned whoever does it but let's be practical and realistic.
N Caruana
Feb 18th, 16:04
I totally agree with you Mr Catania, but seems like violence in Labour party supporters is so common, even yesterday while driving a guy with a Labour flag was too excited to show everyone his flag and forgot that he had something more serious to do; like drive carefully and he almost caused a serious accident.
Mr Brincat that's what I'm doing right now but I'm losing trust in Labour party.
J Mifsud
Feb 18th, 16:27
Hi N. Caruana, I prefer not to judge by singular accident but by parties' views of the future. It's true that this happened in PL club, but things like these happen in PL, PN and even bands clubs. Just go to some village festas and you will find many of these. The only thing is that this happened just before election so the news will spread much faster...like the murder in MxLokk PN club
M BUHAGIAR
Feb 18th, 16:38
N.Caruana .
I don't know how old are you or if you have kids cos if you have might as well not send them to Paceville since fights are frequent as much as eating cheesecakes on a Sunday morning after attending mass .
Would this be the PL's fault too by any chance??
Are you ignoring the message Joseph has been sending since the beginning of the campaign even up till yesterday's mass meeting?
manuel Attard
Feb 18th, 17:01
for sake of the argument .who told you that the people concerned are Labour party members ?
and if they are you think it's the first time that a simmilar accident happened in any party club like in any other venue ? i am a Labour supporter and whoever coused trouble is irrilevant could be from Labour or any other party, whoever was they should be ashamed of them selves.
N Caruana
Feb 18th, 17:25
Mr J. Mifsud, I know that things like this happen everywhere but there's a load of scum which is happening in Labour party, and that's a very bad sign.
Mr M. Buhagiar, I don't have kids and I go to Paceville myself and yes it can be dangerous as fights are very common, but I don't think that if I compare Paceville with a Labour club makes me feel any better!!!
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Feb 18th, 14:51
These internal fights will be a normal occurrence once the MLP is in power, since Joseph Muscat has been on Promises Galore, ever since!
It will soon come the day when JM will regret the day of having made so many promises which he knew they cannot be delivered, as long as he got the votes for winning the elections!
This would have been just a PYRRHIC VICTORY!
JC.
carmel parnis
Feb 18th, 14:48
Yes they let them through to Zebbug roundabout when the crowd attending the PN mass meeting were leaving the main street Was that not provocation ? Why do we need this trouble ? I expected more from the traffic policemen .
Susan Cassar
Feb 18th, 14:47
Just violence and drugs associated with this shameless party...what changed? This is what is beneath the surface of 'Malta taghna llkoll' ...unfortunately these things will keep happening because they are the SAME party of the past! my prayers out for the man ...
N. Aquilina
Feb 18th, 15:49
Susan please try go beyond politics because if you'd like to talk about violence and drugs i have a list for you of stuff that happened in PN clubs as well so please get your facts for both sides and then you can judge properly!
peter camilleri
Feb 18th, 14:47
I strongly propose that both political parties ban the sale of alcohol both before and during their mass meetings. Some adults have to be treated like children I suppose. Please do it !!!
carmel parnis
Feb 18th, 14:46
Yes i agree th ese things do happen in all clubs but then was it necessary for 3 cars all decked up with PL flags to come up Qormi way after the Zebbug meeeting finished ? Naturally the persons inside chanting provocative chants . Where they not asking for trouble ? And why did the traffic police controlling the roundabout leading to Siggiewi let them through to Zebbug
C Muscat
Feb 18th, 14:44
Malta sa issa ghandha gvern nazzjonalista u ghandu iressaq quddiem il-gustizzja lil hatjin.
Ahna ir-rabtin PN u PL kollha kburin bil-kazini li ghandna gor-Rabat u ma rridu lil hadd min ihassar u ma rridux vjolenza. Nappella lil kumissarju biex iressaq lil hati bl-urgenza.
J Cauchi
Feb 18th, 14:40
Why do people always jump to politics and talk
stupid mentioning the eighties is this another
dirty stunt. Where is our faith ??????? May God
help them to recover .
Toni Borg
Feb 18th, 14:39
Tghid Dr Toni Abela ha jur l ghassa tar Rabat issa forsi jsib xi pulizija lejburist iehor???
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 14:34
Here we go again insinuating maliciously that violence is promoted/tolerated equally by both the LP and the NP and that we should not look back to the 70s and 80s as harbingers of what lies in store for a Malta governed by "new" Labour that is showing that it is no less violent than the Mintoff-KMB version in spite of silly slogans like a "Malta ghal Kulhadd"!
Patrick Zammit
Feb 18th, 15:43
This case has nothing to do with the 70/80s just as the murder which followed an incident which started in the Marsaxlokk PN club had nothing to do with what happened in the 60s.
Thomas C. Cassar
Feb 18th, 14:33
Ghal min qed idahhal il-politka partiggjana f'din l-istorja nghidlu li glied isehh go kwalunkwe kazin politku u mhux. Infakkar kaz wiehed li gara 3 snin ilu, qtil go Marsaxlokk li kien origina fil-Kazin Nazzjonalista tal-lokal. Dakinhar hadd ma kien dahhal politka u hemmekk turik il-maturita' li jsemmi Joseph Muscat.
Lin-Nazzjonalista nghidilhom 'Move On from the Dark Ages'.
sammy cassar
Feb 18th, 14:45
very easy to write what you write. Let us remind everyone that this happened YESTERDAY and not in the 80 s or 3 years ago. YESTERDAY.
M Farrugia
Feb 18th, 14:46
L-ewwel qisek kontra li tiddahhal il-politika partiggana, u mbaghad iggibilna ezempju ta kif iddahhalha. Veru hawwadni ha nifhmek.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 14:48
The reason no politics were mention in the PN incident that you mention is that the PL doesn't sink as low into the muck as the PN does. We know that not everything that happens has a political tinge to it. PN supporters however take any opportunity to throw mud.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 14:53
Jekk tinqala' glieda fi club tal-Muviment Laburista u thalli erba korruti, wiehed minnhom fil-periklu tal-mewt b'liema logika titlob li n-Nazzjonalisti, u mhux il-Labiristi, jihtiegilhom li jinqatghu miz-Zmien tad-Dalam?
Ahna ahna, jew m'ahniex?
Daniela Spiteri
Feb 18th, 15:39
@ Joe Bonanno
mud? Who is throwing mud in a situation which caused a person to be in danger of dying? For somebody it might be "blown out of proportion" but yet it is a serious case, which happened inside a PL club. I am not saying that it is a "political" incident. yet, if the same thing happened in a PN environment, I'm sure you'd be commenting about the "divisions & fights" within PN!
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 16:05
Daniela Spiteri
No, I would not automatically assume that it's a political incident, to be used for propaganda purposes. Far more serious events happened in PN clubs. Is it the PN's fault if some idiots use the club for nefarious reasons? If you read some of the comments written by some PNers you'll see that they want to put a political tinge to it.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 16:16
@JoeBonanno.
This blog is not about any "throw(n) mud". It is about blood that was shed during a fight in a PL club. And if anyone is sinking low it is not the Nationalist Party but those political party leaders, and their followers, who make excuses for crimes of drug trafficking and GBH putting lives in imminent peril in PL clubs.
J Martinelli
Feb 18th, 16:50
Thomas, 'is-serjeta' Joseph ghandu juriha ma Toni Abela li heba zewg atti kriminali. Ara ma Anglu Farrugia, malajr were l-'maturita' w s-'serjeta' tieghu ghax qaccatlu rasu minhabba sentenza wahda ta kritika dwar magistrat!
Il-kas Marsaxlokk m'ghandux l-icken paragun ma dak li twettaq fir-Rabat il-bierah.
Il-Lejber juza 'serjeta' ma min jaqbillu. Il-maturita ma tigix bid-diskjors vojt.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:01
F Saliba
If you're trying to pretend that this incident is not being used for political mileage by PN stalewarts than you're not being honest. As far as covering up actions, as I asked someone else, can you categorically state that nothing has ever been covered up in PN clubs? Regarding your(and my) aversion to drug trafficking, why bother convicting anyone. The PN will only free them anyway.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 23:12
J Martinelli
Wisdom and maturity dictate that when you have a convicted drug dealer in prison you keep him there. While incarcerated he can do no more harm. But to pardon such a low life and put him back out into the mainstream of society is an act of social treason. How do you suppose all those who helped put him behind bars felt? I'm sure they asked themselves the question: "Why bother?"
Patrick Cumbo
Feb 18th, 14:33
Niddejjaq nerga insemmi il Kas imma meta kien inqatel il Famus Bona il glieda bdiet fil Kazin tal PN Marsaxlokk. Allura dan zgur mhux Gonzi batu joqtlu jew xi hadd mill PL...Halluna please mis shivers Albert Bonello u dawk kolla li qedin juzaw din il glieda bi skuza...Ieqfu tatu timbru hazin fuq in nies ghax jigi zmien tigu timbrati intom u tajdx kemm tibku.
K. Vella
Feb 18th, 14:32
Muscat qallilna li this is 'BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION'
Mark Farrugia
Feb 18th, 14:30
Who knows the true reasons why it happened!!!
jane deguara
Feb 18th, 14:29
Rabat labour club, and not one of them from Rabat...Goodness knows how much they had been drinking...hope the injured man recovers,
Ivan Tabone
Feb 18th, 14:41
A sensible comment at last! Agree with your wishes...
P Bonnici
Feb 18th, 14:26
I am not an apologist for the failed GonziPN government. But some Labour supporters send shudder through my spine, they never hesitate to use violence to get their point across. Unfortunately Labour has not changed in my opinion.
N. Aquilina
Feb 18th, 15:40
Wow Mr. Bonnici, I can see that a simple fight in a PL club which we still don't know anything about i.e. what was the motive gets you saying that the PL use violence to get their point across! I for one am a PL supporter and I never used violence to get my point across, as far as I know even in the PN there are some violent elements what are you going to do, stay shuddering?
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 16:16
Yes, you are an apologist for GonziPN. Your statement is baseless since this happens in all venues, i.e. bars, clubs, Paceville, etc.. How you can come to the conclusion that only Labour supporters are guilty of such behaviour is unbelievable. Your biased opinion is what makes me shudder.
Ramon Mangion
Feb 18th, 17:02
P Bonnici, your comment is senseless. I am a PL supporter yes, yet I never use violence. I base my opinion on arguments and discuss arguments. I am sorry but if you are pathetic enough to just come up with a generic statement such as that ,it confirms that this island has really achieved a sorry state.
P Bonnici
Feb 18th, 17:41
I did not say that all PL supporters are violent. Let's not forget the burning of The Times building by PL supporter, the ransacking of the curia and the court.
Well, if they ransack the court when elected next month, I wont shed any tears!
peter camilleri
Feb 18th, 14:20
To Mr. John Zarb
Yes I agree, if it were a decision I could take either the Party Clubs are closed with immediate effect or the sale of all kinds of alcohol is strictly forbidden.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 14:13
At least when a fight arising in an LP club puts the life of one person critically in danger the Labour movement gets its priorities right and calls the police and ambulance services instead of sending for its deputy leader for advice how to hinder the police in the execution of their duty to prevent crime, to investigate crime and to prosecute. Previously it wasn't so and Muscat approved.
M Grima
Feb 18th, 16:31
The usual pathetic and infantile comments from a PN apologist on the brink of a disillusionment. If the PN wins the next election the world would not end for the labourites, but if the contrary happens, it will be a different story for you dear doctor. Get a life and get that anger out of your body, its not healthy!!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Feb 18th, 17:27
@M Grima
Instead of stupidly judging my comments "pathetic & infantile" please start to think and to understand that your threat, that it will be the end of me if the LP wins the election, proves my contention that the LP is lying when it pretends to be a "Malta ghal Kulhadd", that it is intolerant of opposition, and that it still harbours criminals ready to use political violence again.
John Zarb
Feb 18th, 14:08
All political clubs should be closed until further notice. Too much binge drinking and no political discussions are made!!!! These have become just ordinary bars.
Ivan Tabone
Feb 18th, 14:15
...and Band clubs and football clubs...Mr Zarb, the problem isn't the bars, it's the lack of control by whom they're visited. Bar owners don't seem to mind selling clients alcohol even if they don't appear right...
Wilfred Camilleri
Feb 18th, 15:29
Rubbish. We don't close clubs because some sods don't known how to control themselves and act like civilized people. Should we ban cars because some drivers drive aggressively or speed? No, what we do is punish those who break the law. These sods should be taken to court, charged with disturbing the peace and aggravated assault, and if found guilty fined and/or thrown in jail.
Albert Bonello
Feb 18th, 14:05
Reading this article brings a shiver down my spine. Now we learn that one of them is critical! These episode bring back memories from the past and I can only imagine what we will have to bear if PL are voted into power on the 10/11th March. Although JM.com might be preaching peace and love the people around him have a big grudge against PN leaning citizens. God help us!!
Ivan Tabone
Feb 18th, 14:13
Mr Bonello, where did you read that the argument was against a PN supporter? I cannot find anything of the sort.
As far as I know, the argument could have started in relation to football or somebody teasing someone else's girlfriend. But what do we know? We weren't there and no one said anything...
John Zarb
Feb 18th, 14:18
@Albert Bonello
This is a very unfair comment and full of hatred. The fight at the Rabat PL club was between PL supporters and had nothing to do with politics!!!!!!!!!!!
Thomas Anderson
Feb 18th, 14:19
@Albert Bonello One burglary that turned into a double murder was planned at the PN Club of Santa Lucija, another fight that ended with a murder started in Marsaxlokk PN club and a shootout happened in Mqabba PN Club. With your reasoning does this mean that Nationalists are murderers, no they aren't.
Its a fact of life that fights happen everywhere and are not only exclusive to PL clubs.
A Farrugia
Feb 18th, 14:24
Jiena you know, what brings shivers down my spine when I remember about all those commissions paid from our tax money ....... Mhux ahjar l-ewwel nawguraw fejqan ta malajr lill ferut, it-tieni ma naghmlux bhat-tfal ghax dawn affarijiet li graw, ghadhom jigru u jibqu jigru fil kazini tal football, banda u politka sfortunatament. This is sure a non political issue far from it !!!
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 14:32
So far all we know is that a fight occurred at a PL club. How you can translate that into something ominous if PL should win is beyond me. But again, PN apologists never miss an opportunity to scaremonger and smear. If I'm not mistaken, fights have also happened in PN clubs. What should we make of them? I know, just a harmless sing-a-long that got a bit out of hand.
victor bonello
Feb 18th, 14:36
@ Albert Bonello - why do you say the people around him have a grudge against PN leaning citizens? is this not some phobia? Most Labourite supporters have to endure the insolence and arrogance of some stupid PN supporters, who call them Lejburisti, but am sure not all PN supporters are so stupid, same as not all Labour supporters are not belligerent or offensive.
Albert Bonello
Feb 18th, 15:04
When someone passes a comment which does not click to d ears of d PL they always have to hit back by recalling other cases, labeling us 'PN apologists' and accusing us of hatred. But in reality from comments passed in these blog it is clear where the hatred lies. Us PN apologist cannot comment how we like, we can only express our thoughts if we applause JM.Com ghax 'Malta Taghna Ilkoll'!
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 16:10
You can comment all you want all we're saying is that this is a tragic incident that happened in a PL club How you can then attempt to turn it into something political to be used as propaganda is what most object to. The comments about incidents that occurred in PN clubs were brought to your attention to illuminate the fact that not everything that happens in a political club is the party's fault
peter camilleri
Feb 18th, 14:00
Unfortunately these incidents can happen every where. Let aside the political mileage that PN will surely make of it, let us pray that the victim gets well.
L Zammit
Feb 18th, 14:19
So you think this incident is to be kept hush hush. The present PL diehards are made up of the Brigata Laburista who have come of age!
Pace M
Feb 18th, 15:13
Zammit please look at the comments,. Brigata laburista, 80's, shiver in my spine.... Come onnn get realllll so the murder of 3yrs ago that started in a PN club in Marsaxlokk was also the brigata laburista???? This is the reasoning of scaremongeres just to say something. Im an ExPN and one of the reasons for this is because the way people like you wants others to think. Move onnnnn
L Zammit
Feb 18th, 18:56
@Pace M: I see no sense in your argument.
S.M. Cuschieri
Feb 18th, 14:00
My god......All of a sudden I cannot help going back to the eighties....And No!! I am not a blinkered political fanatic. Anzi...I detest politics and the dirt they bring with them.
Leonard Brincat
Feb 18th, 14:27
Int Bis serjeta..............Go get a life
Thomas Anderson
Feb 18th, 14:32
Really? you detest politics and you are not blinkered, just pull the other one mate, how can you in your infinite immagination go back to the eighties. In the real world and not in your blinkered GonziPN world fights happen everyday sometimes people get seriously hurt. As for the eighties I am ure that history will someday be rewritten stating what really happened and who was behind the troubles.
Franco Attard Trevisan
Feb 18th, 15:58
had it been a case where PL supporters attacked a PN club I would understand your concern, but given this was an argument between people in a club I really feel your comment is totally out of point!
Kurt Magro
Feb 18th, 13:59
Malta Taghna Lkoll :)
Joseph Mifsud
Feb 18th, 13:58
Cause political club were turned into clubs for youngsters and drinkers
Antoine Vella
Feb 18th, 13:47
This time they can't cover it up.
I have yet to hear of some wrong-doing at a PN club that was covered up by the party.
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 14:34
Not after the press got hold of it that is. Can you categorically and without reservation attest to your statement or is this just another "assumption" without basis?
James Sultana
Feb 18th, 15:12
And if the PN had covered up some wrong-doing, how do you expect to hear about it ? It is either covered up so that nobody knows about it, or else it is not and you can hear about it. On a side note, do you remember hearing anything about some pole dancing in a political club in Mosta ?
Thomas Anderson
Feb 18th, 15:17
The strip club at the Mosta GonziPN club is such a case.
Marco Galea
Feb 18th, 13:42
Muscat, meta mistoqsi mill-gurnalisti dalghodu qal:
"Ma NKABBRUWIEX!!"
Alex Ellul
Feb 18th, 13:37
Welcome usual PL commentators to comment on this news. I bet they will be conspicuous by their great silence.
This is the standard that the 'earthquake' promised byJM will be
Joe Bonanno
Feb 18th, 14:45
As you can tell we are not silent. That PN apologists will do anything to try and smear the PL is nothing new. But, just enlighten me: Are PN clubs oases of tranquility and nothing amiss ever happens in them? People in glass houses........
Ivan Tabone
Feb 18th, 14:53
And does this mean that there were no fights in other clubs ever? Just try to remember from where the murder infront of Marsaxlokk church started some years ago.
Where there is too much alcohol, there is a greater risk of fights. It could have happened at a band club or at a parish church party...
N. Aquilina
Feb 18th, 15:30
Alex, do you know something that we don't? Do you know if this was political? Do you know that a man known as Il Bona was killed with a gun that was in possesion of the barman in the Marsaxlokk PN club about two years ago!?
George Attard
Feb 18th, 13:11
sickening. and what is more disgusting is that BOTH leaders have not yet publicly condemned this incident regardless on how it started or how the fight was initiated. hope the man makes a full recovery.
N. Aquilina
Feb 18th, 15:13
George Dr. Muscat condemned this as soon as he heard about it this morning, please read everything before you post something
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