Facebook campaign against gay marriage and adoptions in Malta
Anti-abortion campaigner Paul Vincenti has started a campaign against gay marriage and adoption on Facebook.
Reacting to commitments made by the political parties, Mr Vincenti set up a Facebook group to object, particularly over the legal adoption of children by same-sex couples.
“This group is not a movement set up against homosexual persons. We respect people who have different sexual tendencies. We are, however, against diluting the traditional family model and also against the adoption of children by same- sex couples,” the group description reads.
Full story in The Times.
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c camilleri
Mar 4th, 22:13
EXCUSE ME...Let's just say we were talking about a child that you HAD to give up for adoption for what ever reason may be would you rather that YOUR child grows up in an orphanage for all his or her childhood OR with a loving gay couple who have been assessed by social service as being a trust worthy and loving couple who want more than anything to look after this child... WHAT WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
Gerry Cowie
Jan 19th, 23:42
In their hunt for extra votes, both parties have said one very important thing - and that is what is being left to the experts of Social Services to decide - "what is in the best interests of the child". There are no guarantees being issued to anybody that they will be able to adopt whatever their sexual preference. All will be considered but not all will get what they want or even demand!
David Seychell
Jan 19th, 20:45
I'm perplexed by some of the comments here, those who say 'gay marriage yes but no to adoptions'.
With the right to marry automatically comes the right to have children. See Article 12 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Human Rights are supreme rights. It's either no same-sex marriage OR same-sex marriage plus the right to have children.
Francis Raeymaekers
Jan 19th, 00:28
Patricia. You of all people should know how much the Maltese like a bargain!
Ms. P.M Graham
Jan 18th, 20:54
It amazes me how so many posters are so very concerned about the "child" yet the institutions are full of Maltese children desperate for a home.
Just goes to show, talk is cheap.
c camilleri
Mar 4th, 22:02
Exactly.
Alfred Falzon
Jan 18th, 20:13
Advocates of "gay marriage" claim that they are fighting for "equal rights" but, in reality, what they are pushing for, is to have PRIVILEGED RIGHTS extended to themselves.
Religious or Civil Marriage is between a MALE & a FEMALE & has always been one of d PILLARS of society without which humanity will return to d age of Caves!
Ref:
< http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/gay_marriage >
Alf A Falzon
Mr E Phillips
Jan 18th, 21:28
"what they are pushing for, is to have PRIVILEGED RIGHTS extended to themselves". In what way?
Mr C Galea
Jan 18th, 22:40
Re Alfred Falzon
Re Mr Falzon,
Conclusion
The only way to really end all discrimination related to marriage is to get government out of the marriage business.
Can you tell us why religious organisations keep wanting political parties to be on their side by donating monies to their party cause/s so as to have the best input and get what they want? Could this be Hypocrisy ?Or just wrong?
Alfred Falzon
Jan 19th, 09:34
@ C Galea
Your assertion that "religious organisations keep donating monies 2 political parties" is a figment of d imagination, 4 Christianity does not condone this abuse & 2 my knowledge we do not have any evidence of this in Malta.
Prove me wrong if you can by giving concrete examples!
D age of Darkness of d 1960s is over & d Church has stayed out of politics but is duty bound to teach!
aaf
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 19:58
It is you, not I, who cannot read, or better stlll who stoops to distort research papers from reputable university professors. Prof. Regnus' paper considers present day adults who in their childhood were raised up by same-sex couples and contrasted them with children raised by heterosexual parents.
What I expect is respect for the truth from you without ad hominem attacks.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 21:07
", I compare how the young-adult children of a parent who has had a same-sex romantic relationship fare on 40 different social......". Words of your reputable professor himself.
So children of a parent who has had a same-sex romantic relationship, NOT children adopted by gays in a stable relationship.
Maybe you should brush up on your English comprehension Francis!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 19th, 06:34
@Adrian P Cassar
Part 1
You conclude from Professor Mark Regnerus research that the child born to a lesbian is much more likely to suffer from the psychiatric and social disadvantages mentioned than the child born to a heterosexual couple. I have no difficulty with your argument that only confirms the advantage of the traditional stable man-woman marriage.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 19th, 06:36
@Adrian P Cassar
Part 2
Without any “maybe” you should brush up your technique of supporting gays bringing up a child trapped in a gay environment.
wayne scicluna
Jan 18th, 19:30
Adoption is not a right but a privilege. Gays should not be granted this privilege as it will be cruel to the child and to be quite frank, disgusting.
Benjamin Borg Grech
Feb 22nd, 22:46
That is an extremely mean thing to say, you have no authority to discriminate against gay people who are fit to raise a child. I believe the question should not be is a gay couple allowed to adopt a child, this question should never be asked. The question that should be asked in each and every case is are these parents fit and capable of providing a stable home for a child.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 18:54
Dear Dr Francis Saliba M.D.
It is very worrying indeed that a doctor like you cannot read a scientific paper properly.
Prof Regnerus' study compare children where a mother had a same sex relationship, I.e. a broken family versus children whose heterosexual parents have no such relationship.
Do you really expect a child from a broken family not to be worse off that one from a stable one!
Rennie Grech
Jan 18th, 18:38
Robert Callus spegali xi tfisser ghandek dritt. Hadd ma andu dritt.t tarbija tigi rigal tan natura wara li mara u ragel fertili jinhabbu seswalment.izjed min ekk ikun modija ta zmien.allura ha nibdu najdu li Alla jew min halaq d dinja hu ngust meta ta l ulied lil koppja ta mara u ragel.ax kwazi anke fl aqwa familji ikun em xi tbatijiet fuql ulied.insejna meta konna tfal ahna?
Robert Callus
Jan 18th, 19:02
I said that it is NOT a right not that it is! I said people (unless gay) are only eligible to adopt. It's not the same thing. The adoption board can (and does) refuse your application if you're not fit to raise the child
And NO, kids for adoption do not live with a man and a woman. In most cases they live with a group of priests or nuns.
Robert Callus
Jan 18th, 18:00
Some people are doing 2 big mistakes here.
1) PN and PL are NOT for gay marriage and adoption but on KEEPING EXISTING LAWS where a SINGLE gay can adopt.
2) Children for adoption do NOT have a father and a mother. In most cases they live in an orphanage: http://robertcallus.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/childs-right-to-parents/
Denise Felici
Jan 18th, 18:00
When a man and a woman adopt a child they will love them as their own, and so will gay people.
And why are adopted children with same sex parents bullied? Simple, because of close-minded parents.
Steve Schembri
Jan 18th, 18:24
Might be because of close minded parents Ms. Felici, but unfortunately that is the reality and that being so, why should we go ahead and subject them to such a trauma?
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 18:44
What about the trauma of being unloved in an orphanage Steve?
Mr E Phillips
Jan 18th, 21:48
Steve Schembri,
You're serious? So we should just accept that some people are bigoted and self righteous, and let those with that mindset call the shots? If everyone had done that throughout history where would be. Have a back bone......................
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 17:53
My comment of today at 17:22 omits the main part of my comment about the result of the recent research by Professor Mark Regnerus rendering my comment meaningless. Not my fault. I apologise to readers.
wayne scicluna
Jan 18th, 17:48
Agree 100% that gays should not be allowed to marry and adopt children. It will not be fair on the child.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 18:45
Yes it is very FAIR to leave them in an orphanage!
Denise Felici
Jan 18th, 20:00
It won't be fair on the child? Really?! I'm sure a child would love to get adopted from gay people than being alone and no one would love him/her!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 20:04
@ Adrian P Cassar.
Certainly better than planting them in the unnatural "family" of two mothers or two fathers. In orphanages they do not pretend to be same-sex parents of their protegees.
Mr E Phillips
Jan 18th, 21:41
Wayne Scicluna. Why would it not be fair?
Rennie Grech
Jan 18th, 17:45
L argument hu lil min se tati tfal biex jigu addotati?
Min ha jiehu decizjoni fuq hajja umana?
Kif ha tinduna min hu genwin u min hu le?
Ikollok t tfal hu xi dritt divin? Jew ikollok skond kemm ghandek flus?
Min vera ihobb t tfal jista jibda min issa jamel l karita.hawn hafna istituti.dawn kollha skuzi biex taparsi kulhadd l istess.meta fir realta kulhadd differenti.u hekk andu ikun
Robert Callus
Jan 18th, 18:03
Adoption is not a right for anyone. People are ELIGIBLE for adoption if the board deems it's in the best interest of the child. I know people who have adopted and it's far from easy.
Same-sex couples are not eligible to adopt. Thus the board could not decide if it's in the best interest of the child or not since they couldn't even apply in the first place.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 17:24
Part 2
That the interests of children are well served by adoption by homosexual couples is disproved by the latest research by Professor Mark Regnerus of the University of Texas. This shows that such children fared consistently worse regarding suicide contemplation, unfaithfulness, unemployment, needing psychotherapy and suffering from sexually transmitted diseases.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 18:47
Instead of picking and choosing research you like...why don't you also mention research which disproves this!!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 19:32
I do not know of any more recent research disproving Mark Regenerus findings and you don't either. That is why USA LGBT tried to suppress his research, without success.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 17:22
Part 1
A vilification campaign by LGBT to have the researcher Associate Professor Mark Regnerus investigated by the University of Texas has been denied.
Rennie Grech
Jan 18th, 17:22
Im sorry to say.but im against this adoption.humans are not toys.how could the adopted call MUM when he sees 2 men.How could a man gives the love that only a mother could give??? Maybe the world really ended on 21/12/12. And no one had noticed.
This is nature.nothing to do with church.bible or other
Denise Felici
Jan 18th, 20:04
Children who are in the adoption centers, won't know what mum is because they never saw theirs. So I think seeing two men who they LOVE him/her, it won't bother.
Nik Dei Conti
Jan 18th, 16:43
Does anyone have the figures for adoption numbers in Malta?
Francis Raeymaekers
Jan 18th, 17:02
Surely more relevant is: what is the figure for orphans or children in foster care in Malta?
ruth vella
Jan 18th, 16:42
grazzi Paul ta' l-inizzjattiva.
u @ Gordan Lurence: this issue has NOTHING to do with the bible or the "church" - this is about the rights of a child!
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 18:56
Yes a child has the right to a loving family....not an orphanage !
Neville Debattista
Jan 18th, 16:10
@Paul Vincenti. Prosit Paul. I am morally convinced that deep down in their hearts both political leaders are against gay marriage and adoption by same sex couples. Thinking with their minds however they are when they ought to be thinking with their hearts.
Joseph Grech
Jan 18th, 16:07
Why should we even be addressing same-sex couples adopting children as the problem? What about the real fact of why the child is separated from his parents in the first place? Orphan? Excused. Single-parent? He's your flesh and blood... Finances? Dozens of services available and yes there should be more. Listen to yourselves guys, you're saying that one of the solutions is a problem...
Gordon Lawrence
Jan 18th, 14:55
it time the maltese got their nose out of their bibles and moved into the 21 century, i dont think you people can think or do anything with out your church say so. it is better two gay people bring up a child my friend was brought up in a convent and the abuse she got she is now deaf in one ear because she got slapped in the ear by them so many times for nothing.
Mario zerafa
Jan 18th, 16:08
What a sick comparison. Kids look up to role models and need good role models. Not saying that heterosexuals make all good role models but raising kids is no adventure or walk on the park. This isn't about raising a pet
Joseph John Camilleri
Jan 18th, 17:03
The Bible is God's word and what is written there still holds today and always. We stamp our feet and want this right and that without realising that what we are doing is ignoring God in our lives and this is what is throwing this world in chaos.
Joanne Micallef
Jan 18th, 14:38
A child can only benefit from growing up in a loving home, no matter if by a gay or a heterosexual couple
E Richie
Feb 2nd, 09:15
Q. by child: "mummy, muumy can i go to the beach?"
A. by Mummy : " better ask mummy , love... ""
LOL
Kurt Waschnig
Jan 18th, 14:08
Divorce is meanwhile possible in Malta and I am absolutely sure gay marriage and the legal adoption of children by same-sex couples will be natural in the future. Discrimination of gays and lesbians has no place in democracies. The peaceful fight for civil rights and equality cannot be stopped nowadays. So wonderful, Malta is changing faster and faster.
Carmel Borg
Jan 18th, 15:29
So is nature discriminatory? I think not and that the problem is ourselves not accepting who we are.
Hans Weber
Jan 18th, 19:12
The Maltese are beginning to emerge or getting out that thick shell they have been enclosed in for many years, instead of hiding behind closed doors and think negatively of just about anything and everything. finally they are learning how the other half live about time too.
Colin Stanley
Jan 18th, 20:16
When it suits you on other issues, you say that we should live our lives as Christains and now you want us to leave our Christain beliefs behind, make up your mind Mr.Washnig.
Alfred Falzon
Jan 18th, 20:24
@ Kurt Waschnig
This is not discrimination!
Neither is it a question of "equal rights"!
In reality, d gay community is defying Nature, destabilising civilised society by pushing for "privileged rights" extended to themselves!
Nobody is above d law!
We Maltese, in our great majority, still regard MARRIAGE between a male & a female as d PILLAR OF SOCIETY!
We refute a return to d Age of Caves!
aaf
Victor Pulis
Jan 18th, 14:05
Same sex unions (Not marriage please) And adoptions by same sex couples are two different issues. There may be those who are in favour of same sex unions but against adoptions. In life nothing is totally black or totally white. There is a vast area of grey in between.
Tony Ellul
Jan 18th, 13:55
Truly sorry to brand your comment as irrelevant Mr Aquilina. Please note that both leaders agreed on this proposal.
joseph borg
Jan 18th, 13:50
If in the begining God decided to create male and male or female and female instead of male and female will we are all here today arguing this issue ??......can anyone explain what's the norm pls ?
Joanne Micallef
Jan 18th, 14:42
Its not 'normal' for a child to grow in an orphanage either, I would rather have a child live in a living home than in poverty or an over crowded institution.
joseph borg
Jan 18th, 13:48
If in the begining God decided to create male and male or female and female instead of male and female will we are all here today arguing this issue ??......can anyone explain what's the norm pls ?
paul azzopardi
Jan 18th, 19:07
Reality is that gay people exist...they are born gay and they are made by a man and a woman. They are God's creation as well. It was always so and it will always be so. By giving gay people rights, no one will be taking rights away from a heterosexual couple/marriage.
Lina Caruana
Jan 18th, 13:48
With respect for truth, changing relationships were basic to new family forms as families departed from the farm to factories and changing forms of work places. In the circumstances people did not learn to manage relationships yet and legislation had to be drawn to regulate diverse family forms in terms of rights and obligations. The French still see relationships as the ordering of society.
Joseph Aquilina
Jan 18th, 13:41
This was another big mistake done by Joseph Muscat since he is depriving the country from a civilized dialog on the subject instead turning it to a political one. Which lejber diehard supporter will tell you he is against gay adoption now!?
Joseph Aquilina
Jan 18th, 13:49
Such things that effect social values should be discussed outside the context of an election; Joseph Muscat should have at least promised to hold some sort of national dialog instead of promising everything to everyone. Gays have rights like all other humans. However - as law courts have made very clear - having children is not a human right. So the context has all to do with social values!
Alfred Zammit
Jan 18th, 14:05
Labour is an English word, therefore , you don't write it as if you're a Maltese who can't spell English. Labour, in English, is Labour. You don't have to copy the idiots on television and Maltese newspapers and write English words in Maltese. An English word is an English word and should be written in its original spelling. If you write it using Maltese phonetics you're writing gobbledegook.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 16:28
Dear Joseph, it is very interesting how you completely ignored Gonzi.
Secondly, while it is NOT a human right to have children, it IS a human right for children to have loving parents.
You might sleep comfortable in bed at night knowing that there are children living in orphanages....but people who truly love children want to see them loved unconditionally!
Patrick Jansen
Jan 18th, 13:30
There are many examples of children having 2 fathers or 2 mothers here in the Netherlands. When you ask the children about it, not one child will say he or she would rather have a father and a mother. These children are generally very happy children..
E Schembri
Jan 18th, 14:05
What do you expect, they don't know otherwise.
And how did you conclude they are happy? Have you analysed any statistics or carried out any surveys?
Its very easy to assume the best in order to justify a cause, anyone can do that!
Alfred Zammit
Jan 18th, 14:06
You may say that but whether we believe you or not is another question.
Joe Spiteri
Jan 18th, 14:34
But isn't the Netherlands renowned for all sorts of oddities?
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 16:34
Dear E Schembri, Alfred and Joe,
Numerous clinical child psychology studies show children adopted by gay couples are just as happy as those adopted by heterosexual couples.
That is why both leaders have said that they leave it up to professionals to decide.
Be free to go through the literature and criticize it if you want...http://www.apa.org/about/policy/parenting.aspx
Joe Spiteri
Jan 18th, 13:22
Why not conduct a voxpop or some sort of survey among children and ask THEM their views about having to be brought up by same sex gay couples? Would be a very interesting and revealing topic on, for example, the very popular Xarabank. Who else but them can speak out on this important subject. What about the commissioner responsible for our childrens' welfare; why haven't we had their views?
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 16:34
Voxpop? Are you for real?
G. Cachia
Jan 18th, 13:20
Do you remember the Mamas & Papas group? I think that in the near future the adopted children by
"Two loving gay parents" as quoted below, will call their parents Mamas or Papas as with Mama there won't be a Papa and with Papa there won't be a Mama. Reality!
Mr Mark Borh
Jan 18th, 13:14
Do people like him get a kick out of controlling other people's lives? That's just sick.
Anthony Schembri adami
Jan 18th, 13:06
It is our responsibiliy that future generation grow in a healhty family atmosphere (father and mother)
paul azzopardi
Jan 18th, 13:45
true...but a father and mother does not necessarily mean a healthy environment. A healthy environment means there are parents who love each other and are an example to their children, irrespective of sexual orientation.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 16:35
So why are orphanages full? Is that a healthy family atmosphere?
Rennie Grech
Jan 18th, 17:29
Well said.no one choose his/her parents.
And in my opinion no one wants a man as a loving mother.
sandra zammit
Jan 18th, 12:56
mela peress li l-pajjiz ghandhu l-finanzi fis-sod,ahjar il-gays jkolhom it-tfal taghhom u japlikaw ghar-relief tas-single parents wara jistaw jghixu kemm iridu mal-partner taghhom ta l-istess sess ghax m'hemm l'ebda ligi li tipedi dan imma hekk il-pajjiz qed johrog spiza ta relief iehor ahjar hekk milli nidhru koroh mal-knisja u mal-qaddisin li ghandna malta
Mr Max Xuereb
Jan 18th, 12:52
Grow up and expand your horizons... Sad stuff malta
Edwin Delia
Jan 18th, 12:52
Morning people - comments are welcome but this Law will be passed by either Political Party rest assured
being gay or not all have a right to thier way of life love and happyness - I and my family have nothing against gay marriages or adoptions what is important is the way children are brought up - thier are a lot of single parents bringing a child up - referendum and we vote yes definetly
Charlie DeBattista
Jan 18th, 13:49
Yes for me as well!
fredu debono
Jan 18th, 12:45
jien ma ghandi xejn kontra hadd, imma n-natura hi natura. jien ghadni ma rajt iljunfant ragel ma ragel iehor, jew ziemel ma ziemel iehor, jew ljun ma ljun iehor, dejjem l-annimali rajthom ragel ma mara. jew il-bniedem hu aghar mill annimal.
Kurt Mifsud
Jan 18th, 13:05
Jigifieri qed tazzkuza lil gays bhala zball tan-natura?
Kevin Attard
Jan 18th, 13:08
Ghadek qatt ma rajt, imma hemm l-ewwel darba ghal kollox :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
Robert Muscat
Jan 18th, 13:14
Sejjer zball mr. debono. hi xjentifikament proven li hafna annimali jamlu atti sesswali ma counterparts ta l istess sess. din hi lista ta dawn l annimali li wiehed jista jsib fuq l internet..
Bison, Brown Bear, Brown Rat, Caribou, Cat (domestic), Cattle (domestic), Chimpanzee, Common Dolphin, Common Marmoset, Dog, Elephant, Fox, Giraffe .. daw mammals biss, em hafna iktar ghasafar u hut etc
Jade Jones
Jan 18th, 13:14
int bi serjeta?? mela ejja ara ilkelb tieghi.
Lawrence Attard
Jan 18th, 13:15
anqas qatt ma rajt ziemel itella space shuttle, allura qabbel like with like.
Mr C Galea
Jan 18th, 13:21
IMMA how come a human being can give up their baby for adotion? Get some more lessons please.
Joseph Aquilina
Jan 18th, 13:45
@Jade Jones
We consider dogs as animals. An animals does not distinguish with what he is having "fun" when in heat, it can be your foot for all they care. That is how things work for animals. In other words, comparing the sexual behavior of a human with that of an animals is insulting regardless of the sexual tendencies of that human. Simply, we humans do things differently.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 16:39
Annimali la jilbsu hwejjeg
la jmorru l-isptar meta jweldu,
la joperaw ruhom meta jkollom appendicitis
la jaghtu antibiotics meta jimirdu
ahna il bnedmin meta naraw tfal abbandunati irriduhom isibu familja li thobbhom.
Ahjar tifel mahbub minn kopja gay milli go istitut
Andrew Bezzina
Jan 18th, 12:43
Nixtieq nkun naf kif kullhadd sar espert fuq is suggett ta trobija ta tfal. Awn hafna nies qed jghidu li ma jahsbux li healthy li tfal jitrabew go familja gay. Ahjar nismaw xandhom xjajdu esperti li amlu studji sejri fuq is sugget, u mhux namlu xi haga fatta ax ma doqliniex al widnejna. L opinjoni tieghi ija li kopja gay jistaw jofru ambjent ta mhabba daqs kopja normali, ahjar min orfonatrfju zgur
Denise Felici
Jan 18th, 20:05
Well said!
M Cauchi
Jan 18th, 12:36
Loool now everyone seems to have gay rights interest at heart.
All the straight people are arguing whether gay people should adopt, but have you ever thought about what they really want? From all the gays i know none of them want to marry or to have children. Such policies should not be a political issue but based on the values one has. Do not judge politicians on what they say in front of camera
M. Debono
Jan 18th, 12:33
Cultural evolution has clearly ignored so many of the below back water inbreeds! You have no right to tell another person how to live or who they marry! If a man or woman wishes to adopt a child let them, some of you would rather see a child go hungry or unloved cause you cannot accept anything outside your hateful beliefs. Disgusting!
Salvu Borg
Jan 18th, 12:32
Ftakkru biss li Gonzi qabel perfettament mal proposta tal-Partit Laburista, F'kumment li ghamel Gonzi ghall darba smajtu jghid li jaqbel.
Joe Spiteri
Jan 18th, 13:30
Basta jirbhu l-voti!
Alfred Falzon
Jan 18th, 20:35
@ Salvu Borg
Din hi l-opinjoni personali taz-zewg mexxejja politici, mhux tal-maggoranza l-kbira tal-poplu Malti!
Jekk tabilhaqq jemmnu fid-demokrazija u mhux fil-privileggi li qed jitolbu minoranza assoluta ta' "gays", jaghmlu dak li hu fi dmirhom jaghmlu:
REFERENDUM, l-istess kif gara dwar id-divorzju!
Alfred A Falzon
Debbie Pisani
Jan 18th, 12:21
it tfal jew dawk li ghandhom lil xi hadd li qatel jew kiser il ligi gravi ghax jitilaw hazin u jafettwhom u jsiru l istess!! Mentalita maluqha li ghadna u l ghaziz papa l ghadna flok jxerred l ghaqda u l paci iktar jitfa hama fuq dawn in nies. Tfal l iskola jigu bullied fuq kollox illum il gurnata ma hemmx alfejn jkollok genituri tal istess sess. Ifthu mohhkhom naqa qedin 2012!
Debbie Pisani
Jan 18th, 12:19
mela hawn Malta ghad fadal hafna familji mudel jew?! Fuq kollox qatt qrajtu fuq studju li ghamlu fuq tfal mrobbinjin min nies tal istess sess? Ma hemmx studju li jghidlek li tfal jitrabbew hazin. Fuq kollox gay titwieled jew issir habba cirkostanzi ohrajn fil hajja mhux ghax tara lil xi hadd jghamel xi haga din mhux moda! Mela missierijiet jew ommijiet li jeqilbuwha lil zewghom misnna nehduwlhom i
Andrew Formosa
Jan 18th, 12:18
All this concern for children is commendable. But sweeping statements suggesting that children would be better off within the framework of a heterosexual household originate largely from ignorance of the issues at play. Both political parties have stated that it should be informed experts to decide on such matters - to the benefit of the children in question. So where does the problem lie?
Joe Spiteri
Jan 18th, 13:35
Are these so called 'experts' always right?
Tony Ellul
Jan 18th, 14:00
Very wise comment. Well done Andrew.
Andrew Formosa
Jan 18th, 14:16
I would find it hard to believe that anyone is always right. But perhaps, to make as few mistakes as possible, especially with regard to such delicate matters as a child's wellbeing, such decisions should be taken on the basis of informed analysis rather than potentially misguided public opinion.
Adrian P. Cassar
Jan 18th, 16:45
DearJoe, no experts are not always right. But they are the ones who study a particular manner. If evidence in the future shows otherwise they will be the ones to tell us....and we will then change accordingly.
I hope that when you are sick you go to a doctor
I hope that when you build a house you find an architect
I hope you get a lawyer if you are arrested
These are all experts, but not perfect
m. borg (slm)
Jan 18th, 12:17
I respect anyone's opinion on this issue even those against but do please come up with the right reasons for your opinion.
Haven't read one reason that gives credibility to those against,eg that adopted kids of LGBTs would be bullied.
Funny even kids of heterosexual coples are bullied. Get real please.
Debbie Pisani
Jan 18th, 12:16
Tidhru li qatt ma kontu teachers fi skola jew ma tisimawx x jigri fl iskejjel. Kemm fadal familiji mudel kif qed tghidu inthom? Kemm fadal omm u missier? It tahwid li hawn tal ghageb. Dak poggut mal ohra u ghandu tfal min giex nisa u tfal jmorru fl istess skola. Tfal hyper li genituri lanqas jghatu kazhom u ma jtuwhomx il kura mehtiega, Tfal li ma jarawx lil missier jew omm ghax il hin dejjem xol
Mario Ellul
Jan 18th, 13:16
Well said Debbie. Imma hemm nies li nahseb jghixu f'xi dimensjoni ohra f'din id-dinja.
Rennie Grech
Jan 18th, 17:32
Naqbel 100%.
Imma x ha nsolvu billi natu t tfal f idejn gay or lesbian?
Rispett lejn kulhadd ikun x ikun.imma t tfal huma l futur tana lkoll.nibzaw ghalih
David Buttigieg
Jan 18th, 12:15
Children have become objects everyone has a right to posses!
We hear so much about not imposing one's views on others!
What about imposing this unnatural situation on the children?
They get no choice as to whether they are raised by a normal family or two homosexuals living together (not a family by any means)
Tony Ellul
Jan 18th, 14:05
David, children have the right for a good upbringing. If only we could live in a perfect society where people never do mistakes and are never cruel to one another. Then we would not be handling this subject. I personally still undecided whether to be pro or against permitting gay adoptions, but if I were to be
assured of a good future for a child through a gay adoption, I would surely approve.
jerome Micallef
Jan 18th, 12:15
Malta living in the ark again. When will we move on.
Two loving gay parents are better than two straight parents who damage their children. Two straight parents are not always loving parents!
Richard Farrugia
Jan 18th, 12:08
Gays should have personal liberty 2 live according to their tendencies & be allowed to secure their rights as other citizens lawfully. What I wonder is about d forming a family & its final objective that of ruining d traditional family besides d progressive perpetuation of their nature & its imposition on others. Their rise to acceptance by society may open d door to further bullying on it.
John Cundy
Jan 18th, 12:05
As if a Facebook page ever changed anything...............I'm glad to say.
Rebecca Parnis
Jan 18th, 12:01
There is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children(Patterson, Perrin,Tasker)American Psychology Assoc continues to oppose any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody, foster care
Mark Vella
Jan 18th, 11:55
Anybody knows the name of the facebook page? can't find it.
Nikolai Debono
Jan 18th, 11:50
You don't want gay marriage because it dilutes the traditional family model? What kind of argument is that? There have been many traditional models on stuff that were changed during the times because they were wrong. For hundreds if not thousands of years females were treated as if they were livestock. Slavery was extremely common for thousands of years. Traditions don't make something is right.
Nikolai Debono
Jan 18th, 11:50
You don't want gay marriage because it dilutes the traditional family model? What kind of argument is that? There have been many traditional models on stuff that were changed during the times because they were wrong. For hundreds if not thousands of years females were treated as if they were livestock. Slavery was extremely common for thousands of years. Traditions don't make something is right.
Charles Bayliss
Jan 18th, 11:49
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/18/overwhelming-majority-of-oxford-union-students-would-be-glad-to-have-gay-parents/
ruth klotzer
Jan 18th, 11:40
We are making a big fuss about gays adopting children. Why don't we make a big fuss about all the children who are being ill treated by their 'normal' biological parents!
Rosie Caruana
Jan 18th, 12:47
How very true.
sandra zammit
Jan 18th, 12:53
because we better judge others than start making something for a better world
Dave Alan Caruana
Jan 18th, 13:32
blinkered by religion / tradition.
S Debono
Jan 18th, 11:30
Am I the only one who would rather see a child raised lovingly by two mums or two dads, rather than dumped in an orphange or worse, abused by a mum and a dad? Not saying that ideally a family shouldn't consist of male/ female parents, but we do not live in Utopia, we live in the real world where there is so much hatred and violence that we do not afford to close the door to love whatever its form!
Mr Anthony Zarb
Jan 18th, 12:49
Who told you the children would be better off ?
j brincat
Jan 18th, 11:23
Antoine Vella
"Mandi xej kontra persuni gay,anzi nirrispettom hafna.Pero daqxejn xettiku fuq adoptions.Nifem li persuna gay ikollom xewqa u dritt i jrabbu bhall kulhadd.."
Tidher kemm tirrispethom!
jb
joseph camilleri
Jan 18th, 11:21
Well done Mr. Vincenti!!
Mr C Galea
Jan 18th, 13:43
Re joseph camilleri
Well done Mr. Vincenti!!
Under what category can this opinion and comment be filed under?
j brincat
Jan 18th, 11:20
And I thought that the age of the cobwebs was over and done with but apparently it's still alive and kicking!
jb
V. Cauchi
Jan 18th, 11:19
Can party leaders promise they will give their MPs a free vote in parliament were it to come to voting on moral issues? With the situation as evolving, several are mulling about abstaining from voting for either party unless clear commitments are made.
Roger Tirazona
Jan 18th, 11:19
There are already gay people raising children because they came out after they forced themselves to marry; victims of a more intolerant past. These children are in no way dysfunctional or in a worse position than children from straight couples. Research shows this and research in Malta would probably verify the contrary; that many children with social problems are actually from straight families
James Borg
Jan 18th, 11:18
Love has no boundries...
Ian Zammit
Jan 18th, 11:13
What people don't seem to understand is that for these children the choice isn't between a family with straight parents and a family with gay parents. It's between having a family with gay parents or no family at all. I don't think there's any doubt that it's always better to have a family.
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 11:13
Hafna huma kontra li nghammdu it-trabi. L-argument hu li m'ghandhiex naghzlu ghall tarbija li m'ghandhiex sens. Allura li tarbija tbellalha omma mara u missierha mara ghandek dritt???? Mela tarbija puppy. Il politikanti tad-dinja iridu jirrealizzaw x'responsabiltajiet ghandhom, bhal Holland. Il bniedem se jsir annimal tal-gungla, l-istess.
Charlie DeBattista
Jan 18th, 14:05
Mela skond l- argument tieghek neqirdu l-adoption ghal kollox ghax m' ghandniex nghazlu ghat- trabi liema familja jkunu fiha... jekk ikunux nies hoxnin, irqaq, twal, ta' kulur, gingrin, tobba, kenniesa, segretarji, nies minn rahal jew minn belt...
Charlie DeBattista
Jan 18th, 14:07
...Face it! Il- kuntest ta familja inbidel ghax in- nies tghallmet taddatta ghas- socjeta prezenti, fejn il- persuna hija ikkunsidrata bhala PERSUNA l-ewwel u qabel kollox, u mhux diskriminata skond il- kulur, religjon, sess, abbiltajiet, etc...
Roger Tirazona
Jan 18th, 11:12
One good thing happening in this electoral campaign is that issues of minorities have been tackled and there seems to have been a consensus to a step in the right direction. A secular spring seems to be on its way as all parties seem to want to be and look more progressivistic and liberal. The dinosaurs are panicking.
Carmel Borg
Jan 18th, 13:19
Your offending language calling those who like me disagree with you as dinosaurs reflect the abyss of what your type of liberalism leads to. It is a pity that not even a teacher can have an respectful educated dialogue.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 11:10
The terminological distinction between the traditional marriage between a female wife and a male husband for the natural purpose of reproduction and the protection of children in a stable family unit must be maintained. There is no excuse for other forms of cohabitations to be deceptively incorporated under the false name of a marriage. That is a deliberate attempt to confuse the issues.
Andreas Moser
Jan 18th, 10:47
Why a campaign against gay marriage?
It is SO easy to avoid it: http://andreasmoser.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/how-to-fight-gay-marriage/
Peter Galea
Jan 18th, 10:43
mur ara dawn it-tfal jibdew jikbru u jmorru li skola. it-tfal u anke il kbar jistaqsuhom, "x'jisimha il mama". Ma nafx jien zewg papajiet ghandi, jew x'jismu il papa, jien zewg mamajiet ghandi, u jew x'kulljomok, A U B. X'jimpurthom bl-ugih tal qalb li jkollom jaddu minnhom.dawn il povri tfal. Laqwa li jissudisfaw ruhom huwma f'kollox. u jinjoraw kull ligi tan-natura.
Peter Galea.
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 13:04
Prosit. Baqa ftit nies bis-sens.
V. DeBono
Jan 18th, 10:41
OQBRA MBAJDA
anthony sultana
Jan 18th, 10:41
This thing ,TELL ME WHAT TO DO, it have to stop,as long as it 's not hurting anyone, like animal cruelty, actually there is nothing wrong if one is adopted by single men or single women,I was adopted by my uncle friend and he gave me a very good life, also when he died he left me some property and some money .What is wrong with that.I WANT TO HEAR.thank you very much.
Piero Selvaggi
Jan 18th, 10:36
Can anyone please define the meaning of FAMILY, MAN & WOMAN???? As things are going topsy-turvy, these definitions need to be updated if things keep on going this way. Gays should be respected, but there is a limit to everything.
sandra zammit
Jan 18th, 10:32
insomma hawn go dal pajiz daqs farka kulhadd irid jiddetta u jimponi kif jghix haddiehor u hadd ma jilhaq salibhu
Thomas C. Cassar
Jan 18th, 10:32
Ghad hawn nies bl-ghanqbut go mohhhom, hsibt li kienu spiccaw pero kont zbaljat.
Joseph John Camilleri
Jan 18th, 17:25
Mela ghax jien ma naqbilx ghandi l-ghanqbut f'mohhi. Taf x'naf inghid li warrabna 'l Alla minn kollox biex nidhru li ahna mohhna miftuh u qed naqilbu kollox ta' taht fuq. Nirrispetta d-dinjieta' ta' kull bniedem imma mhux li nkisser il-valur tal-familja kif qed naghmlu.
James Abela
Jan 18th, 10:32
People are being added to this group without their knowledge.
A pro gay marriage and adoption has now also been started.
Mr Anthony Zarb
Jan 18th, 10:32
Hi. 'Mr. Citizen'. Why have you not been involved in the decision making and law making process to allow gays and lesbians to enter civil unions and now adopt. Is this the only way to opiniate and be part of the law making process, irrispective of your views on such 'hot issues'. Give Mr. Citizen a chance. We are becoming very undemocratic. Carry on commenting.
sandra zammit
Jan 18th, 10:31
jien ma tantx toghgobni li persuni ta l-istess sess irrabu it-tfal imma min naha l-ohra l-ewwel nett jien ma jien hadd biex nigudika xhinu l-ahjar u mhux u 2nd ahajr jitrabba min gay u perswas li l-maggoranza taghhom jiehdu hsiebhom ahjar minha l-straight milli mahqurha min familji "normali"
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 10:31
jien mhux ma' din biss ma naqbilx imma anki ma' stituti l-awtoritajiet ghandhom jaghmlu minn kollox biex jghinu familji anki finanzjarjament biex jaddottaw tfal abbandunati.
stef pace
Jan 18th, 10:24
Is there a problem with single parents these days ? so what difference would it make if there are 2 of the same sexuality bringing kids up. Whether people think its healthy or not I guess would it be healthier for the kids to be in such a place not being treated well cause I reckon if you are up for adoption you dont have a nice life as it is.
G Buhagiar
Jan 18th, 10:21
M'ghandi xejn kontra gay marriage kulhadd ghandu d-drittijiet tieghu, pero` li persuni gay jaddottaw it-tfal ma naqbilx. Hemm hafna issues marbuta ma din il-haga apparti li ma nahsibx li hija healthy ghat-tfal. Min-natura taghha stess din naraha kontra l-principju naturali, ghax il-familja min-natura taghha huwa l-mod naturali fejn jitnisslu t-tfal. Mhix kwistjoni ta' religjon imma ta' fatti..
Joseph Borg
Jan 18th, 10:28
Ninsab cert li dan il-kumment huwa riultat ta ricerka fejn tfal addottati min familji gay gew ezaminati, u mhux opinjoni personali.
Nahseb u din HIJA OPINJONI PERSONALI li l aktar haga important ghat tfal hi l imhabba li jiehdu minghand il genituri. Is-sess tal genituri hu haga sekondarja
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 11:05
Naqbel mieghek. U lill L.Gonzi jew J.Muscat nghidilhom li jekk ghandhom il guts jghidu xi hsiebijiet ghandhom ha nkunu nafu fuq xhix se nivvutaw. Kulhadd jitkellem fuq drittijiet u ma tafux titkellmu. Dritt ma jfissirx li taghmel li trid. Ghax jekk nigu ghall-argument ghandi dritt inkun pedoferu ghax b'hekk niehu pjacir.
J.C. Borg
Jan 18th, 11:26
Naqbel mieghek Mr Buhagiar. Li ma naqbilx hu li koppja gay tissejjah 'married'. Sejhilhom li trid barra married ghax, kif ghidt int "il-familja min-natura taghha huwa l-mod naturali fejn jitnisslu t-tfal", mhux fejn jigu addottati.
Mil-kumplamaent ghandi kull respett lejn min hu/hi gay bhalma ghadni rispett lejn min hu 'xellugi'. Din mhix xi haga li jghazluha huma.
Mr mike Knight
Jan 18th, 10:08
For a small potsie island there are too may dictators telling others to lead their life the way they want to lead theirs, not quite on the same scale as past military dictators however when its time for one to expire nobody is going to voluenteer to take their place, although i am not gay or against abortions for private reasons, and also being atheist, my motto is LIVE & LET LIVE. & mind your OWN
Mr Simon Camilleri
Jan 18th, 10:43
I am Catholic and heterosexual and what really gets up my nose is people determined to force their bigoted views on others. What people do is between themselves and their God.
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 10:45
@mr. mike knight - that's it live your life and let children live with mothers and fathers................
Joseph Aquilina
Jan 18th, 11:34
Facebook has a "like" button ... no one is forcing you click on it! So Mr.Knight, Malta is an island made of people with different opinions ... better then you find in other countries where people lack any opinion apart from the one that the media has forced on them!
Paul Konti
Jan 18th, 12:20
"... mind your OWN"... You too Mr Knight!
M Cassar
Jan 18th, 10:05
F'pajjizna ga hemm il-ligi li persuna single tista' tadotta. Wara kollox li tadotta hija att ta' karita' kbira.
Min jien biex ma nhallix zewg persuni jkollom id-drittijiet li jisthoqilhom, meta huma jirrispettaw u jhobbu lil xulxin u qed jghamlu sagrificcji ghall xulxin? Id-dritt jaghti anke responsabbilita, wiehed lejn liehor. Min jien li se ncahhad lit-tfal orfni minn opportunita ta' ghozza?
B. Cassar
Jan 18th, 11:52
A person can adopt on his own, when it satisfies certain criteria in the law mostly that of age and age gap between the adopted person and the adopter. In A 101 we also find that the adopted child is deemed to be the child of the adopter (similar to natural born). We find situations where Homosexuals had previous relations from where children were born. Best Interest of the child may allow gays.
Antoine Vella
Jan 18th, 10:00
Mandi xej kontra persuni gay,anzi nirrispettom hafna.Pero daqxejn xettiku fuq adoptions.Nifem li persuna gay ikollom xewqa u dritt i jrabbu bhall kulhadd, pero ma nahsibx li hija healthy ghat tfal,kemm ghal-izvilupp tahom, u li jaf ikunu bullied (li huwa hazin hafna) knowing il mentalita.
Ma nixtieq li blebda mod nonqos mir rispett lej persuni gay imma hija lopinjoni tijaj. Might be wrong
anton cassar
Jan 18th, 10:46
30 sena ilu tfal kienu jigu bullied ghax kellhom il-genituri separati......illum lanqas tohlomha, hekk ukoll ghad jigri jekk l-gays jaddottaw....is-socjeta tinbidel imma jrid jkollna kuragg biex dan isehh !!
Joseph Aquilina
Jan 18th, 14:09
@anton cassar
Never in my time did I see anything of that sort. Indeed it was the other way round, if we knew someone had problems at home we usually made sure never to mention anything!
V Mercieca
Jan 18th, 09:56
I can never agree to same sex marriage; however I tend to agree of some civil union that gives some rights to the partners.
I can never, never agree to adoptions by same sex partners. Since creation a family has always been that of a Father a Mother and Children.
Why should a family concept that stood the tests of thousands of years change now because some gay group is making some big sound?
John Cundy
Jan 18th, 12:08
Stood the test of years!! You must be joking, I have seen too much misery placed upon children by same sex couples and a lot less, proportionally, by same sex couples.
I used to work in Children's Services in UK so my assertion is based upon professional experience.
Dave Alan Caruana
Jan 18th, 09:55
The willingness to adopt a child is already more than many heterosexual couples, lumped with one due to abortion not being available or a simple slipup, can offer. It is already legal for a single person to adopt a child. Why should being in a legal relationship with another person reduce an existing right?
Eve Axiaq
Jan 18th, 11:22
Jidhirli li f'Malta koppja trid tkun ilha sentejn mizzewga biex taddotta, ahseb u ara single person. Li qed issemmi int qeghda f'kaz 'umanitarju' perezempju tifel jisfa orfni u b'ordni tal-qorti jkun jista jaddottah xi hadd li jigi minnhu. Int qed tipprova tpingiha li single person jista jaqbad japplika daqs koppja mizzewga, fejn mhuwiex minnhu.
Dave Alan Caruana
Jan 18th, 13:39
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120219/opinion/All-God-s-children.407483
quote :
"Under Maltese law, both married couples and individuals are allowed to adopt, regardless of sexual orientation."
Mr Anthony Zarb
Jan 18th, 09:54
Malta should take on the Swiss example of Cantons and Referenda and its administration works smoothly. Give the majority a voice....power to the people. Vox Pop not opinion polls only. The minority has no right to impose laws on the majority. Parties please note. RESPECT the rights of everyone.
S.M. Scicluna
Jan 18th, 09:58
Please note that it is the majority that is imposing on the minority, not the other way round.
Charles Bayliss
Jan 18th, 10:07
And if we have to have a refendrum on every item which displeases us who will be paying for the cost? That person who suggest such a referendum? Certainly not from my taxes.
Colin Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 10:34
You cannot hold a referendum for everything. Forget adoptions because its a way too sensitive subject. But if you had to have a referendum on gay marriage I am sure it would not pass. But the people do not realise that just like divorce this will not affect their own life. Simply because it's there does not mean you will marry another man. But it makes people who need it happy. Live and let live
Anthony Bonnici
Jan 18th, 09:54
The push against gay, lesbian, and same-sex couple adoption is more about gay discrimination than child welfare. So, before you buy into the myths and rhetoric that gay adoption poses an unsafe environment for children or that a gay household is a "recruitment center" for young adults, try and create an informed opinion by reading the facts those against same-sex adoption aren't telling you.
Mariella Caruana
Jan 18th, 09:53
In Canada there i9s a movement claiming that paedophilia is a sexual orienation! It goes on and on....
Rebecca Parnis
Jan 18th, 11:36
Curiosity, but what are you trying to say here? Pedophilia is "abnormal or unnatural attraction" and usually refers to an adult psychological disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners.Are you therefore saying that homosexuality is an unnatural attraction? Homosexuality is a preference in loving another of your gender and is not a mental illness.
B. Cassar
Jan 18th, 12:31
Paedophilia is not a characteristic of gays. It could be the father who had dozens of children. then there will go into concept of the rights of the children not to be abused. Straight people raped their own children as well. it is all about sickness. being gay does not mean you are sick.
Alison Bezzina
Jan 18th, 09:52
Adoption IS in the best interest of any child.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130117/blogs/adoption-is-in-a-child-s-best-interest.453665
Arthur Taliana
Jan 18th, 09:51
The key phrase is "traditional family model". Traditions, by self implications, do change in time. Or would Mr Vincenti have us go back to placing a pot of roses on the window sill to announce that we have a daughter eligible for marriage, as was traditionally done?
Mario Camilleri
Jan 18th, 09:50
I don't agree with gays adopting children. Although a family is defined as partners of opposite sex having and raising their children in that ambient, children adopted by gay couples would eventually lead to children being brought up in that life style and they would therefore be brain washed that they should be gay and married to another same sex partner even though their hormones are different.
Colin Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 10:40
You are so wrong... You do not become gay you are born gay. Trust me even if a gay couple will adopt a boy, he will not be made gay, just like I suppose you wouldn't become one if someone had to ask you to be. How stupid can you be to think something like that.
Christopher Pollard
Jan 18th, 11:09
But Mr Camilleri, if your argument was correct there would be no gay people as we are all raised in "traditional" families with a man and a woman as parents. Most gay people are gay from birth, not from upbringing. You don't make a white person change his skin colour if he is raised by a black couple, or vice versa.
Rebecca Parnis
Jan 18th, 11:39
Then shouldn't those who are homosexual proceed to go into heterosexual relationships, despite being homosexual in their hormones, because most were raised in a heterosexual parented family, using your 'logic'?
C Muscat
Jan 18th, 09:49
Din kull ma hi issue biex itellef il-voti lil PL. Mieghi tilfu 5 anke jekk naf li l-aghar ligijiet ghamluhom il-PN bhal tad-divorzju. Allura ma jiehu hadd xejn ghax kollha jidhku bina l-hin kollu.
Kont ser nivvota PL ghax jidher li hemm serjeta pero f dan il-kaz JM wera li hu naive.
John Camilleri
Jan 18th, 10:48
I was of the same mind but both parties concur on this issue so whomever gets elected will still do it. Might as well vote for someone whom you think will do the most good.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130116/local/gay-rights-activists-welcome-consensus-on-adoptions.453387
anton cassar
Jan 18th, 10:49
Mela tivvota lil hadd ghax iz-zewg mexxejja jaqblu fuq din l-materja....
D Mifsud
Jan 18th, 11:44
Skuzani sur C Muscat. Jiena bhalek kont kontra d divorzju pero ma nista qatt nwahhal fil PN li dahlu d divorzju. Anzi ara kem qala kritika Gonzi ax sa wara r rizultat tar referendum baqa juri l vera valuri tieghu. Nahseb kienet cara bizzejjed li l pplu ried r referendum u l gvern irrispetta d decizzjoni pero baqa juri l valuri li jhaddan xinhuma. PN will take my vote
Noel Gatt
Jan 18th, 12:52
Allura issa x se taghmel, tarmi l vot? Taf li il ligi kif inhi illum, wara 25 sens ta gvern tal PN il kulhadd jista jaddotta? Wara kollox anki Gonzi jaqbel ma dan! Thallix min ihawdek habib. U ghaliex JM naive u LG,li qal l-istess kliem m hux?
Alfred Falzon
Jan 18th, 20:46
Two Parties, PN/PL fishing for votes to the detriment of our society in general and our CHILDREN in particular!
Two Parties, two U-turns to the deep disappointment of our people who still uphold their belief in MARRIAGE as the PILLAR of society, a marriage between a MALE and a FEMALE, not copulation between humanoids of the same sex as was customary in the Age of Caves!
SHAME!
Alf A Falzon
S Camilleri
Jan 18th, 09:49
So, Mr. Vincenti, you prefer seeing a child being badly treated (but has a female and male figure), or coming from a broken family, or physically abused by nun's or priests rather than being loved and cared for under the custody of same sex parents?
M Borg
Jan 18th, 10:18
you seem able to vouch for every gay couple but are you really thinking about the good of the child or just trying to be " modern"?
A child brought up by a gay couple can never have a normal upbringing for the very simple reson that the family she/he knows is not normal to start of with.
A child needs to feel that the family it forms part of is "normal " one made up of a. mother & father
Tony Barbaro Sant
Jan 18th, 10:23
Mr Vincenti, I think the above comment says it all. Perhaps it's about time you removed your blinkers. You'd be surprised how your vision will improve.
S Camilleri
Jan 18th, 10:45
An expert in child upbringing. Seek yourself some facts worldwide, and you'll see that this was proven otherwise. It's people with your mentality who harm these kids, no one else.
Rebecca Parnis
Jan 18th, 11:45
@ M Borg
Normality is what we make it. If we decided to teach the younger generations that being gay is ok and perfectly normal, and stop discriminating between different/same sex couples, there wouldn't be bullying for abnormality because it would be considered normal. Children brought up by homosexual couples show no difference in development that those brought up by a homosexual couple.
B. Cassar
Jan 18th, 11:59
Child born out of a gay parent. So are these in a disadvantage? Because f yes it is quite discriminatory.Best Interest of the Child does not depend on the sexual orientation of the parents. Mostly it is regard to the age gap between the two. Children born out of wedlock may not have the figure of a mother and father in question neither. A Person on its own may adopt even if he is gay. That's Law.
Franco Farrugia
Jan 18th, 09:46
This Vincenti man, and all those agreeing with him, never said anything, not even a squeak, about your 'normal' families with hidden violence, of a psycyhological or even physical nature. Never a squeak about 'normal' famlies where drug-taking, crime, etc... are rampant. Nooooooooo - not as long as the parents are a man and a woman. And then, all hell breaks lose because of gay 'marriage'! Mah!!!
Dione Pace
Jan 18th, 09:32
Gay marriage is harmless.... but adoption? That's another life we're talking about.
EVERYONE knows that it will be socially difficult for a child to have 2 daddy's as his parents, and anyone who is denying it doesn't know what he's on about.
Andrew Formosa
Jan 18th, 12:42
Conclusion aside, I am not sure I agree with your reasoning. With the same argument a black couple should not be allowed to adopt in Malta. It is dangerous to limit rights on the basis of societal prejudices..
Marvic Camilleri
Jan 18th, 09:32
For all of those who declare themselves in favour of equal gay marriage. Please don't make conditions. If you are in favour of marriage, there are no conditions attached. On the is rock, this is the same story, as I love blacks but...... but.. butt ..
I have better respect for people who declare they are against it rather than conditioning equal rights.
Dorielle Soler
Jan 18th, 12:20
I agree and would never accept to calling a union between two same sex people "marriage" whatever laws are passed. Marriage, for me, is between man and woman but I entirely agree with a civil contract, granting one sucession, pension, housing rights etc
Mr Ernest Vella
Jan 18th, 09:28
The Constitution of Malta declares; "The authorities of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church have the duty and the right to teach which principles are right and which are wrong." (Par 2,2)
Dave Alan Caruana
Jan 18th, 10:30
To teach, to those who would listen .. yes .. to impose at law .. no.
You forget here that not every Maltese citizen is a catholic, and discrimination on the basis of beliefs is not acceptable (or allowed at law)
Ronald Cauchi
Jan 18th, 12:07
.....and we have the right to ignore it.
Andrew Siad
Jan 18th, 09:28
jghagibni hafna l fatt kif din id darba il knisja ma harget tghid xjn fuq di l issue! tghid ghalfejn?!..........
Mario Ellul
Jan 18th, 09:51
Ghax il PN jaqbel. Simple.
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 09:52
il-knisja waqghet fil-muta ma tridx tigi akkuzata li qed tindahal fil-politika. il-knisja trid taghmel dmira tiddefendi it-taghlim taghha bla biza.
Aaron Zahra
Jan 18th, 10:21
It-taghlim tal-knisja fuq din il-haga kulhadd jaf x'inhu m'hemm ghalfejn joqoghodu jghiduhulna l-Isqfijiet.
Mr Anthony Zarb
Jan 18th, 09:26
The norm is husband and wife for a mentally, spiritually and physically stable child. Now what is the norm or normal is becoming abnormal because we have to go by minority rights. Instead of the parties in politics giving in to the minority rights because of the elction why not place these issues of abortion, euthanasia, adoption by lesbians and gays to the referendum vote? Just like divorce!
C Chircop
Jan 18th, 09:24
The title of this group is misleading. The group should have been a basis to discuss the subject in depth - it is instead drawing negative publicity. Such give a bad name to practising Catholics in general, the vast majority of which are tolerant & understand the mechanics of an ever-changing society.
M Borg
Jan 18th, 09:56
The " ever-changing society " you are referring to has nothing to do with the issue. Gay marriage goes against nature , it is not normal... so it follows that it is not normal to give a child in adoption to gay couples.
Nature is the same for all. Catholics or non Catholics. Nature, not religion, dictates that you have to be a man & woman to procreate. Why fight nature to seem modern ?
C Chircop
Jan 18th, 10:15
@M Borg, where nature is concerned is procreation - that will always be between a man and a woman. A regularised/legalised union (Civil marriage) between two people has nothing to do with nature. Children are already being adopted by single parents (whether I agree or not is irrelevant)- there is no mechanism (which would be discriminatory) to determine whether they are heterosexual or homosexual
M Borg
Jan 18th, 10:44
@ C Chirop
If you have been following all the talks that are going on I am sure that you must know that the next item on the agenda is for gay couples to be able to have IVF.
Adoption is only the first step. You are right civil marriages have nothing to so with nature, but having children does form part of nature. So it follows that a father and a mother does form part of nature after all
S. Camilleri
Jan 18th, 09:22
So what!
So now we have to bend over backwards to accomodate every LGBT whim and fancy!?? I always say there are NO LGBT rights just as as there are NO African rights or Arab rights for that matter. There ARE human rights so we cannot discriminate on anything based on sex or colour or race etc.but what we're talking here is not that. It is about changing norms to accomodate the lifestyle of a grp
Ivan Attard
Jan 18th, 09:21
FEJN HI IL-KNISJA ISSA?
V Mercieca
Jan 18th, 09:44
I Believe that the church has already made it clear that it is against same sex marriage. Perhaps you were not listening enough to the church teachings.
joseph mifsud
Jan 18th, 09:20
sur paul vincenti inti sipost nisrani.mela kristu mhux ghall kullhadd gie fi dinja.
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 09:54
iva ghal tfal iltiema li jitrabbew bejn ragel u mara
Mario Ellul
Jan 18th, 11:41
Sur Borg, u dawk li jitrabbew bejn ragel u mara imma fid-dagha, fis-swat, fix-xorb u fid-drogi? U single parenthood li hawn bizibilju? Dawn fatti li jezistu f'koppji bejn ragel u mara, jew single Sur Borg. Mhux hazin ukoll? Imma l-mentalita maghluqa bhal-tieghek u sfortunament ohrajn, taraw sal-ponta ta mneherkom. It tfal gol istituti u abbandunati, min nies eterosessuali gew u mhux min gays!
M Cilia
Jan 18th, 11:51
iva ghal kulhadd gie Kristu, imma mhux kulhadd jaccettah! Mhux kulhadd jaccetta dak li qal u mhux kulhadd jaccetta dak li qal Alla. Jigifieri jiddendi mill-persuna jekk taccettax lil Kristu, lil Alla, lil dak li qal hu li hu tajjeb u dak li qal hu li hu hazin. Hafna jaghmlu hafna kompromessi u aktar hawn biza tal-bniedem milli biza ta' Alla.
David Smith
Jan 18th, 09:20
It's a shame that the importance and ramifications for society of such a proposal are not being properly discussed, but have been sidelined by discussions on the economy and financial situation. However all Christians should remain vigilant and vote according to their conscience and beliefs.
m. borg (slm)
Jan 18th, 09:19
Like the DIVORCE issue it will fail.
Maltese have come a long way from being frightened by a vengeful GOD and fire and brimstone dark ages.
Love is God's redeeming message and this campaign, whatever the organisers say is a hate or at least a homophobic one.
Alfred Falzon
Jan 18th, 20:55
@ m. borg (slm)
Have you read about the harm that can befall our society if it were to adopt this latest "craze"?!
Access website: < http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/gay_marriage >
PN/PL are not leaders of a people but two cheap political parties locked in a deadly struggle for POWER!
SHAME!
Alfred A Falzon
Chris Mifsud
Jan 18th, 09:19
I disagree completely with gay people adopting. I am sure their intentions are very good but it is not fair on the child.
I believe there should some sort of civil union for gay couples which entitles them to the same rights of married couples but it should not be defined or confused as a real marriage.
Darren Frendo
Jan 18th, 09:56
Y do u think you should have more rights than a person who is gay? Who do you think you are?
Chris Mifsud
Jan 18th, 10:31
@Darren Frendo
Don't misquote me. I never said that! I actually said they should have a civil union with the SAME RIGHTS of married couples.
As for adopting no i disagree and not because of any fault of their own but simply because it is not fair on the child.
Ivan Attard
Jan 18th, 09:18
For once I fully agree with Mr Vincenti. If we also have both parties endorsing this depravity then we are finished.
Colin Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 10:53
U mur saqqi l-ħass Sur Attard. And if 'God forbid' one of your children or grandchildren comes out gay then denounce them like the old times.
Colette Farrugia Bennett
Jan 18th, 09:17
Homosexuality ain't a tendency but a equal sexual orientation to heterosexuality and bisexuality. There's no chance or choice in any of the orientations
Joseph Portelli
Jan 18th, 09:15
jien jiddispjacieni ghaliex il-Knisja ma lissnitx kelma! il-hadd li ghadda f'parigi (l-iktar belt sekulari fl-ewropa) 'il fuq minn 800,000 ipprotestaw biex is-socjalista Hollande ma jdahhalx il-gay marriages bl-Arcisqof ta' Parigi (li hu Kardinal) iheggeg lill-poplu jsemma lehnu u ahna hawnhekk donnu li l-isqfijiet taghna telqu minn Malta!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 11:33
Xi awtoritajiet ekklesjastici f'Malta qieghdin ibaxxu rashom ghall-kampanja intensiva u qarrieqa mis-sekularisti biex timmuta t-taghlim ta'Kristu bl-iskuza oxxena li jekk dawn jaqdu dmirhom skond il-Kostituzzjoni u skond dmirijiethom dawn ikunu qed jindahlu fl-affaijiet ta' l-istat. Dan ma ghandux ikun u ma ghandhomx icedu ghal din l-intimidazzjoni li ccahadd mid-dritt fondamentali religjuz.
daniel farrugia
Jan 18th, 09:12
But no party said it will allow gay adoption in this legislation!!! why all the fuss??
Karl Bugeja
Jan 18th, 09:09
Jekk xi darba din il ligi tidahhal ovjament mhux ser jitkisru il familji izda ser inkunu qed naghtu opportunita lil tfal li jew jghixu fi stituti b nuqqas ta attenzjoni u imhabba mehtiega jew tfal li jittiehdu mill welfare socjali ghax ikunu qeghdin jghix f ambjent ta drogi prostituzzjoni u abbuzi ohra. Jien personalment nemment li dan l ambjent ikun wiehed iktar dicenti minn dawn li semmejt
Ms. P.M Graham
Jan 18th, 09:01
and we wonder where the bullies get their fodder.
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 09:01
jidher li joseph muscat lest iressaq ligi li zewgt irgiel gays jaddottaw tfal. li nixtieq nistaqsih huwa jekk hux lest li jaghti free vote sigriet lill-membri parlamentari tieghu. dan ghandu jiddikjarah issa f'gieh irragunament ovvju. jekk le hija responsabbilta tal-laburisti li jipperswaduh. zgur politici validi bhal adrian vassallo jaqbel ma' dan.
Charles Bayliss
Jan 18th, 09:36
Joseph Muscat mhux veru qal li se jressaq ligi, pjuttost qal li l-ligi tista' tibqa' l-istess. Li qal hu li ma JARA XEJN LI KOPJA OMOSESSWALI TADDOTTA MBASTA JKUN FL-INTERESS TAT-TIFEL/TIFLA. Kumment mhux f'postu minnek Sur Borg
Eddy Privitera
Jan 18th, 09:43
twanny borg: Gonzi qal li JAQBEL ma dak li qal Dr. Muscat. Tipprovax TIVVINTA storja differenti biex minghalik tnessi x'qal Gonzi !
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 10:05
@eddy privitera - fuq din il-haga la naqbel ma' muscat u jekk gonzi qal li jaqbel jien ma naqbilx mieghu lanqas m'ghandux jibza mill-voti fuq din il-haga. joseph muscat ghandu jiddikjara jekk hux ser idahhal ligi iva jew le issa qabel l-elezzjoni. pero zgur li gonzi ma jressaqx ligi bhal din. eddy ipprova ghal darba nehhi n-nuccali ahmar u irraguna kontra l-pl u fl-interess tat-tfal u r-raguni.
Alfred Falzon
Jan 18th, 21:06
@ Charles Bayliss
Fil-meeting t'Ghawdex, Dr Joseph Muscat ma stahax isejjah lill-hekk imsejha ghaqda bejn zewg omosesswali " familija"!
Tal-misthija!
Povri tfal li ghad jitwieldu! Dan hu issa z-zwieg MODERN u PROGRESSIST skond Dr Muscat li Dr Gonzi qed jipprova jimita, ma jmurx jahrablu xi vot u jibqa' l-art?
X'politika tal-habba gozz li l-poplu qed ikollu jitwekka biha!
Alfred A Falzon
Michelle Attard
Jan 18th, 08:59
Why can't we just be happy to live our lives and let others live theirs....
John Neville Ebejer
Jan 18th, 08:57
I believe such statements as Jean Marc's, a French mayor who is also homosexual - “The rights of children trump the right to children,” should be taken seriously by whoever whenever considering such legislations. It is a matter of a a child’s right to a mother and a father first and foremost. This is our Politician's obligation to the more weak and vulnerable of society.
Glen Micallef
Jan 18th, 08:53
Many are keen to give gay people their 'rights' but no one seems to care about the adopted children's rights to get a normal family with proper maternal and paternal figures. I would have never wanted to be brought up by two fathers or two mothers.
Rita Dimech Portelli
Jan 18th, 08:51
I do not think it is fair to say NO to adoption by gays. To have a child is something we all wish for, and love, whether from a single, married, or gay person is still love. Gay people are just as responsible and are able to bring up a child well as you and me canl.
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 08:50
You have got to agree, common sense requires it and so does the way of all that natural in this world. Im not a religious person and you'd very rarely find me backing the Clergy but this is SIMPLY not right, not natural and Simply shouldnt be happening. I have nothing against gay people, but being gay as much as they want to be considered normal is purely a sexual preference not procreative issue
Jillian Pace
Jan 18th, 08:48
Ex1: mum-alcoholic, father beats mum.the child is sent to school with the excuse that the mother can get a break from her child - child was a mistake.
Ex2: Two men who are deeply in love with one another who have been together for years have decided to adopt a child to give it a loving home where they will love and care for him/her. they provide the child with everything s/he needs
CASE CLOSED
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 09:33
You seem to be forgetting one thing...
Ex1 : Mum and Dad in love and totally looking to have and love kids like its traditionally meant to be. Children are a blessing
Ex2: Two men more interested in what people think about them and their own vanity, Confused and messed up..having children looks totally a crime.
CASE CLOSED : JILLIAN it could be played both ways, doesnt mean it always does work out
B Attard
Jan 18th, 09:37
: Personally I have nothing against gay persons but:
Ex 3 Two lesbians adopting a girl. She will probabbly have no option living in a lesbian environement. Wouldn't this be call abuse?
Carmel Borg
Jan 18th, 09:40
You CLOSED a CASE that you opened yourself. Like you are a prosecutor,. judge and jury. Very typical liberal who wants their arguments heard but cries foul when others disagree.
In your case of EX 1, I would place a care order on the child. This quite happening although probably not enough. There is also fostering and not only adoptions. Unfortunately not enough are ready to foster.
matthew tanti
Jan 18th, 08:47
about time people stop pandering to the LGBT minority!
Joanne Falzon
Jan 18th, 08:47
Everyone deserves to have a family!!
M Borg
Jan 18th, 09:30
Right, and every child deserves to be brought up in a real family with a father and a mother.
Not against same sex couples , although it is against nature. However same sex couples are old enough to mess up their life if they want to.
A young child is different, why should they be allowed to mess up its life ?
Carmel Borg
Jan 18th, 09:43
Yes, as long as it is in the best interest of the child and not simply to fulfill the natural ego of persons.
Joseph Agius
Jan 18th, 08:42
Well done Paul, I will join your campaign. We who still hold to their Christian values should do like the French and march for protest.
Mario Ellul
Jan 18th, 09:35
Dear Joseph. With your Christian values, does it stop heterosexual couples from having domestic violence infront of children, sexual abuse from fathers, uncles, grand fathers, priests etc, swearing in front of children and beating them just because they want to be children. I've seen all this from heterosexual couples Mr Agius and not from gay people. Can you please answer me?
Carmel Borg
Jan 18th, 09:50
Mario Ellul, you talk as if like the Christian values are in favour of abuse you mentioned when in reality these values condemn the abuse. You also make it sound as if heterosexual couples should just procreate and handover to gay couples as they make better parents. Are you suggesting that gays are a perfect gene above other homo sapiens that does not abuse and hurt anyone?
Darren Frendo
Jan 18th, 10:01
Carmel borg it is a fact that Christian numbers are dwindling all over the world .. Y?? Because the church does not practice what it preaches.. We re all equal under the eyes of god.. But gays aren't is one clear example!!
Carmel Borg
Jan 18th, 10:24
@ Darren.
1) Christianity still represents the largest religious population.and the deacrease in % is mostly due to Muslims procreating at least 5X as much per family.
2) Christianity is not about numbers but values based on Jesus Christ.
3) Church never said that gays are less equal. Am I less equal than my wife because I can't get pregnant?
4) Christians like all human beings makes mistakes too
Maria pia Bartolo
Jan 18th, 10:32
its true Mr ellul that this happens in normal couples...imma ejja ma nitfawx tfal ma koppja li diga hemm xi haga mhux normali li tfal iridu jaddattaw ghalija....u rigward lbullying li tfal jistghu jircievu meta jejxu ma koppja gay xi nghidu??
Mario Ellul
Jan 18th, 12:29
Mr Borg, I know that reasoning with you will not reach anywhere. Asking me if I am suggesting that gays are a perfect gene, is as intelligent as you can get. The point here is that people like you want to deprive gay people from adopting when many problems exist in heterosexual couples/people. Is it so difficult to understand?
Carmel Borg
Jan 18th, 15:25
Mr. Ellul,
First you are unfair to blame unreasoning on me when it was you that indicated that abuse problems arise only from heterosexual persons and not from gay.
Of course there are problems with a number of heterosexual couples. That's why adoption and fostering boards should and I think they are very careful to whom they trust the children.
Lawrence Buontempo
Jan 18th, 08:39
Am not quite sure about this proposal. But I AM totally against such campaigns. They tend to bring out the worst from weak people.
Ramon Casha
Jan 18th, 08:30
"Anti-abortion campaigner Paul Vincenti has started a campaign against gay marriage..."
Of course! Who has more abortions than gay couples? :)
Gerry Cowie
Jan 18th, 10:55
Ramon, what are you trying to say here? Statistically you cannot compare abortions by gay couples - especially male couples - as there are not the numbers to do it with! Why not try a more adult approach and make a constructive comment! You do your cause no good at all by such pointless remarks! If you want the result you hope for as a humanist surely you need to try a different tack!
Ramon Casha
Jan 18th, 14:10
@Gerry: If I ever decide to take advice from someone opposed to us, I'll let you know :)
Charles Grixti
Jan 19th, 22:44
Ramon, it makes sense when you think about it logically. Abortion and gays means less babies and less population. Someone with a vested interest in overpopulation would be against both. For example, if I sold shoes, I would want as many people as possbile so there would be a guaranteed market for my goods. Whether it be potatoes, cars or a religious ideology, the ecominc princples are same.
pat muscat
Jan 18th, 08:28
According to Maltese law any one who is homophobic and spreads hateful information is breaking the law.
Joseph Agius
Jan 18th, 08:46
So, if someone is trying to change our values and speak against the act is being hateful? Why use this terminology? God is God and His Word stands whether you like it or not. Just in case you do not know, Jesus predicted this abomination as a sign of His 2nd coming. If you are honest with yourself, you have to admit that homesexuality is against nature, just like St, Paul said. Was he hateful?
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 08:54
@pat muscat - mhux il-kaz din issemmiet fil-kampanja elettorali wkoll wiehed ghandu dritt ghall-opinjoni specjalment favur it-tfal bla lehen.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 09:05
There is no such law that discriminates against heterosexuals whilst allowing the hateful comments by gays against heterosexuals insulting them as "homophobes".
S. Camilleri
Jan 18th, 09:26
Please look up homophobic in the dictionary. LGBT have a right to their choice of lifestyle but accomodating rules of procreation and marriage to match their choice is a completely different matter.
By the same argument why not have polygamy. After all some some Muslims practice this as a part of their religion. Does it mean I'm Muslimphobic if I reject this.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 17:38
@ S Camilleri
I do not need to consult dictionaries to understand that "homophobia" is a malicious term intended to convey a false meaning of intense fear and hatred ( Greek, phobia) of all human beings ( Homo from the Latin homo, human being)
Catholicism does not deny the right of homosexuals to chose a life style does that does not involve the practice of sodomy etc.
Kenneth Grima
Jan 18th, 08:26
Shame on Mr.Vincenti to confuse murder (abortion) with love (gay marriage and adoption) Shame on him.
Luke Bonnici
Jan 18th, 08:53
couldn't have said any better myself!
Derek Grillo
Jan 18th, 09:13
Actually the confused person is you. He is an anti-abortion campaigner who is ALSO against gay marriage and adoption. He is not mixing the two together: you are.
M Borg
Jan 18th, 09:36
Is adoption by gay couples really an expression of love or an expression of selfishness ?
Do they stop and think of what a child brought up by two men or two women goes through ? Why bring up a child in a family which is not a " normal " family ?
Joseph Agius
Jan 18th, 09:43
Mr. Grima, it depends what you understand with the term "love." I think you mean the eros kind of love, which has nothing to do with sanctity of love-making between a married man and woman expressing their love to one another. Any other sex is abomination in the sight of God. And if you do not believe in God, then that up to you.
Colin Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 11:05
M Borg a child will be lucky to have 2 people caring for him/her and wanting the best for him/her. What you consider normal cannot deny a child in need the right to have a decent life. After all the gay couple have the child's best interest at heart, he/she would have a good upbringing and education. A chance for a good life. Why deny this child from having a loving home and education?
Maria pia Bartolo
Jan 18th, 08:23
I agree witht his campaign. Every child deserves to have a normal family made by a man and a woman....in a gay couple who will be the father and the mother??
joe cutajar
Jan 18th, 08:51
prosset mr .Bartoli familja mara ragel u tfal
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 09:12
In the recent massive campaign in Paris against gay marriage there were even level headed homosexuals who expressed their opposition to the outrageous demand for the adoption of children by homosexuals because they held that the needs of the children trump the desires of the gays.
www.c-fam.org.
J Cassar
Jan 18th, 09:16
Every child also has a right to be loved by a parent whatever their sexual orientation. Many grow up in institutes and are just number.
m. borg (slm)
Jan 18th, 09:20
Ms Bartolo do you know that single people can adopt by law?
No you don't otherwise you would not have made such a statement.
Amante Reale
Jan 18th, 09:43
How did you decide that a NORMAL family is made by a man and a woman? What makes a gay couple unable to parent their children?
And please, don't say "it's what nature intended" because that whole monogamy and marriage bullcrap was invented by man and society.
Maria pia Bartolo
Jan 18th, 10:30
Sur Reale koppja gay either 2 nisa jew 2 irgiel ma tistax toffri listint normali li joffri ragel u li toffri mara...jigifieri mara ma tistax toffri listess espressjoni li joffri ragel bhala missier u vivi versa....
Charles J. Buttigieg
Jan 18th, 11:20
I very rarely agree with Dr.Saliba but this time I can't find an argument to dispute his point of view against Gay adoptions. In the children's best interest their newly acquired home has to consist with of a mother and father not two fathers or two mothers.
I am as liberally minded as they come but also a realist.
Maria Camilleri
Jan 18th, 08:21
I'm sure there are no Maltese or Gozitans who would like to have their children adopted by gay couples.
Joanne Falzon
Jan 18th, 08:50
If they don't want that then they should have taken care of their kids in the first place! Gays are normal people just like anyone else and they should be respected equally.
Christian Sciberras
Jan 18th, 08:51
Uhm, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't want to give a away their children for adoption in the first place...
Charles Bayliss
Jan 18th, 09:02
If Maltese or Gozitans put their children up for adoption they must have NO TOSS for their children. Thus do they care were they end. The fact is that we still can give them LOVE and a better life then their original parents. With the way some Maltese thinks Malta should outlaw single parents because their is other a mother or a father missing,
Derek Grillo
Jan 18th, 09:17
I agree with you 800%.
The 'Maltese or Gozitans' who give up their children for adoption, though, can't give two hoots about their kids anyway. That demolishes your argument.
For the record, I am gay myself, and I am AGAINST gay adoption in Malta because of the way some people (like you) think. These kids' life would be made miserable because of your way of thinking, and not through gay parents!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 18th, 11:23
@DerekGrillo.
Apart from yourself there are other level-headed decent homosexuals who object to the adoption of children into the unnatural cohabitation of same sex parents. They do it for the very good reason that the interests of the child take precedence over the desires of gays. Most of the today's antagonism is against the provocative arrogance of "gay pride" not against decent homosexuals.
D Gatt
Jan 18th, 08:05
I do not believe that this fits within the Facebook group rules. Most probably if reported it will be taken down and the person warned.
J Cassar
Jan 18th, 09:18
Not quite D Gatt... there are more hate groups on facebook than you'd find in a Nazi camp and no amount of reporting has blocked or cancelled the pages including paedophilia!
Kim Borg
Jan 18th, 08:04
Isn't discrimination against human rights?
Steve Schembri
Jan 18th, 09:09
And what about the children's rights?? I do not think they r being taken in consideration. More should be done for the children. Like parents losing all rights on d children they dump in institutes if they do not get themselves together in a period of 3 yrs and be put for adoption...but being adopted by a gay couple? Risking a traumatized childhood. They get bullied for much less!
Mario Muscat
Jan 18th, 09:25
Yes of course! Adoption by gay couples is against the right of the child to be brought up by a father and mother. Having a child is not an absolute right.
S. Camilleri
Jan 18th, 09:28
Yes it is but in case you have not noticed ... this is not discrimination. LGBT have full rights to be who they want to be ... not arguing that ...
But if I choose freely to use a SQUARE peg, I cannot expect to fit it into a ROUND hole.
adrian agius
Jan 18th, 08:01
i agree 10000%, will definitely join !!!
Reuben Bezzina
Jan 18th, 08:00
Jiena I don't care if they get married although still a question mark, but I will close an eye as I feel happy to see someone happy as well, but adopting children NO...I know that they still can give them the best and love, but still I'm against it, sorry. The majority of gays found it hard to come forward and say that they are gays..imagine a child telling his friends his parents are are gay.
Luke Bonnici
Jan 18th, 08:56
it's people like you that will make it hard for that child! If close-minded people like you treated adoption by gay people as a non-issue (as you do with "normal" families) then it will never become one.
M Borg
Jan 18th, 09:46
@ Luke Bonnici
Adoption by gay couples can never be a non-issue for the very simple reason that it is not normal.
Say what you will, the child will suffer, always asking why it is different from other children and why the family she/he lives in is made up of two men or two women ?
What is unnatural can never become natural
Luke Bonnici
Jan 18th, 12:42
@M Borg
Are you saying that wanting to share your life and love with other people, whilst bringing up children is not a natural process? Does it change for a gay couple? If by normal you mean not biologically possible, then perhaps. But with your reasoning we should close our hospitals and stop research in medicine and health care and let nature take its own course ...
Luke Bonnici
Jan 18th, 12:46
Things will only get easier for people to come out as being gay, if people like you and every homophobe posting on this blog opens up their mind and realises that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING different amongst ALL humans!
David Caruana
Jan 18th, 07:58
Oh dear the bigots are out again!
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Jan 18th, 07:53
This site is quite unethical. It contains people who were invited and added, giving a false impression that they support Vincenti's stance.
Robert Cassar
Jan 18th, 07:45
For me its ok its gay get married but I see it as a twisted idea that they get kids. They will be ok but how about the kids... Imagine at school with other children they will feel dofferent because they have two mothers or two fathers... Not right on kids.
Joanne Falzon
Jan 18th, 08:52
that would only happen cause of the maltese mentality! if adults teach their children that gays are normal people they wouldnt bother any kids at school!
Paul Barrett
Jan 18th, 11:53
Robert - You say Quote Imagine at school with other children they will feel dofferent because they have two mothers or two fathers. Unquote. And how different will children from a home for children feel with no Father or Mother - which is the better life for the child - love or institution.
R. Agius
Jan 18th, 07:35
The EU is going to recognise this guy as a champion in human rights.
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Jan 18th, 07:52
I do hope you are being sarcastic!
adam spalding
Jan 18th, 08:40
Can't find the page on FB . Wish I could support the group and stop this lunacy of gay adoption
J. Camilleri
Jan 18th, 07:32
il kelma marriage (zwieg) dan vincenti semmija u l-ebda partit. li isemma civil partnership bejn koppji gay etc.
ma naqbilx mal adoptions
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 07:56
Le skuzi, jekk fihmt sew wiehed minhom semma l-adoptions. Fil kas ahjar ikunu cari, avolja il-lum jghidu haga u ghada jaghmlu haga ohra, bhal tad-divorzju. Jien ghalija din il-kwistjoni tahraq aktar mill progetti kbar.
Ramon Casha
Jan 18th, 07:32
Note that most of the people in this group were added without their consent or knowledge - and this included several candidates - especially from the PN camp - who subsequently removed themselves once they were informed. Other names added include several band clubs, a rock drilling company and a first aid course.
Victor Vella
Jan 18th, 07:31
We are Catholic state. It is against all morality to turn the nature of God to something like a toy to play with. Everybody is free, but please do not infringe on the morality and values of what we always held as sacred norms.
Michael Grech
Jan 18th, 07:44
Will you put your vote where your mouth is?
Andrej Psaila
Jan 18th, 07:46
You might be catholic, but that does not mean you should impose your morals or beliefs on others. Be democratic, respect the minorities and let the other live the life they see fit for themselves.
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 07:57
Well said
Charles Bayliss
Jan 18th, 08:06
Oh when it's convenient we talk of MORALITY. Can the Maltese put their hand on their heart and swear on morality.
Jan-Wouter Stigter
Jan 18th, 08:15
Rest assured Mr Vella, you will not be forced to marry another man.
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Jan 18th, 08:30
A Catholic state? Have you already forgotten about the divorce referendum? Those days are well and truly over.
Cornelius Murphy
Jan 18th, 08:35
We are NOT a Catholic state. Look up 'separation of church and state'.
And if you think Catholics get morality from the Bible, they don't. They pick and chose to suit the culture of the day. Otherwise we should still have slaves (whom Jesus tells to obey their masters) and women would not be allowed to teach or contradict men (as St. Paul commands).
Karl Borg
Jan 18th, 08:40
Catholic state? Nature of God? Seriously, do you live in the middle ages?
Ronald Cauchi
Jan 18th, 08:42
No we are not. We are a pluralistic society that even allows people like Mr Vincenti to express his ideas freely.
Joseph Agius
Jan 18th, 08:56
To Andrej Psaila. No one has to impose anything on anyone, including the gays who wants to impose their sinful acts and legalize them on our country. If they want to live in sin, then let them do so, it is up to them. But please, do not legalise it. Read the Bible and see the consequences of sodomy. If God is against it why be for it?
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 09:05
forsi veru mhux stat kattoliku pero meta nitwieldu jiehduna nitghamdu, meta mizzewgu u meta immutu. mela ahna jekk mhux kattolici x'ahna?
m. borg (slm)
Jan 18th, 09:26
Mr Vella by sacred norms you mean maen beating upon their wives and offsprings, or not providing for the family or even worse prostituting their children.
I have never heard of LGBTs who have appeared in court on the most vile sex crimes that "normal" men and women have been.
By the way I am heterosexual married with two kids and all in favour of LGBT rights.
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 10:24
@m. borg - veru li hawn genituri li jibghatu t-tfal ghal prostituzzjoni ghax smajna min jaqgha u jispicca l-habs ghalkemm ghad irrid nisma genituri li jintbaghtu l-habs fuq hekk. pero smajna kazijiet ohra wkoll m'hemmx ghalfejn nidhol f'dettalji.
Andrej Psaila
Jan 18th, 11:07
@Joseph Agius... are you for real??? Do you know what civil rights are? If they sin they will go to hell... but lets not make their life a living hell already. You have no right to judge what is just and what is not according to your own set of rules.
John L Galea
Jan 18th, 14:32
@ V Vella: You are a Catholic. We are not talking about Church stuff. We are talking about civil issues.
Darren Frendo
Jan 18th, 07:28
How disgraceful !! 2013 and we are still discriminating against people because of sexual orientation. Howcome I m judging others??
Denis Pace
Jan 18th, 08:08
You are generalizing!
Nobody is discriminating against gay/gay couples.
The bone of contention is the definition of a family !
This debate is present all over the western world. Catholics have their beliefs and convictions and, likewise, should they voice their opinion, Nobody has a divine right to shut them up.
Sometimes I wonder...Who are the extremists and fundamentalists?
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 08:15
Dan assolutament mhux kaz ta' diskriminazzjoni imma ta' sens komun. Kopja ta' l-istess sess jaghmlu li jridu bejnietom hadd mhu jindahlilhom anzi naqbel ghandhom jinghataw id-drittijiet kollha imma mhux li jaddottaw tfal mhux taghhom.
Karl Borg
Jan 18th, 08:46
sur twanny borg.. mela inhalluhom fl-istituti habba nies ta' mentalita` bhalek. Wara kollox definizzjoni ta' familja hadd ma gie qalilna hija maghmula minn ragel, mara u tfal.
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 10:29
@karl borg - jithallew ma' kullhadd imma m'ghandux ikun hemm ligi li zewqt irgiel ikollhom dritt jaddottaw tifel mhux taghhom. cert li hawn gays jirragunaw li jaqblu ma' dan.
Darren Frendo
Jan 18th, 23:58
The group has been deleted from Facebook!! In the world of 2013 there's no place for discrimination everyone is equal under the eyes of the law and god !! In the modern world these intolerant people are frowned upon
M Abdilla
Jan 18th, 07:26
What a disgusting campaign
Paul Azzopardi
Jan 18th, 07:58
Why disgusting. Are you one of those that want to rip our freedom of speech. Disgusting people.
adam spalding
Jan 18th, 08:15
Yes it is disgusting to even consider exposing a child to this perversion under the banner of civil rights !!!!!
Kenneth Cassar
Jan 18th, 09:21
Paul Azzopardi, freedom of speech includes the right to call a campaign disgusting.
Kevin Bonello
Jan 18th, 07:24
I am not against gay marriage! But adapt children?! Why?! meta jkun hemm l ewwel koppja li jkollohom tfal naturalment..mbad jistaw jaddottaw anke 10 jekk iridu! In other words when pigs can fly!
Charles Bayliss
Jan 18th, 08:05
Stupid thinking Kevin. A case in point was one in England: a special needs boy was up for adoption. There were 8 couples eligible for his adoption. After analysis of each couple by the experts, they found out that this particular boy was to be better off with the couple made out of two gay parents than the other straight parents. And as the Maltese parties are saying IN THE CHILD'S INTEREST.
Karl Borg
Jan 18th, 08:41
Balderdash my friend. Adopt children. Don't you think my narrow minded friend, that these people will adopt children from orphanages, a place where the child already has no traditional family to live with? Don't you think it a better alternative to be loved and cared for?
Kevin Bonello
Jan 18th, 09:14
Charles your parents are gay? My parents are not either.. And these studies are crap! Jekk tibla kollox int jien ma niblax. Kieku kulhadd gay kieku ma jitwieldux tfal aktar!
Michael Grech
Jan 18th, 07:24
Will they vote come the next election, since all parties are in favour?
Charles Bayliss
Jan 18th, 07:21
Hate mongers ... people living in 10th century. And they think they ware wise.
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 07:05
Il-pn tilef opportunita tad-deheb ikabbar ic-cans li jirbah l-elezzjoni. Pero nemmen li l-pn qatt ma se jressaq ligijiet biex zewgt irgiel jaddottaw tfal.
Michael Grech
Jan 18th, 07:44
Jadotta wiehed minnhom (li l-ufficjali inkarigati mill-adozzjoni jaf li qed jghix f'relazzjoni ma ragel iehor) mhux l-istess? Mhux koppja gay effettivement ser trabbihom? Il-PN is-soltu irid joghogob lill-liberali u l-ultra-konservattivi? Irida hobbla u treddha kif jghidu bil-Malti?
twanny borg
Jan 18th, 08:09
Hemm differenza bejn missier gay naturali li jrabbi lil ibnu ma' zewgt irgiel gays jaddottaw tifel li forsi tilef l-ommu u l-missieru. Kulhadd jaghmel li jrid imma mhux ninvolvu tfal zghar iltiema jew abbandunati. Hawn hafna koppji mara u ragel imoru barra igibu tfal biex jaddottaw m'ghandnix bzonn nirrikorru ghal ligijiet biex zewgt irgiel gays irabbuhom. Nahseb hawn gays jifmu dan.
Denis Pace
Jan 18th, 08:11
Lanqas f'hafna pajjizi "liberali" u "lajci" ma jezisti dan.
Tahseb li hija facli hawn? biex tigbed erba voti?
Maz-zmien, l-affarijiet jinbidlu....hija rivoluzzjoni socjali u kulturali, li jekk issir bl-ghagla, tista taghmel hsara lil komunita involuta.
C Demanuele
Jan 18th, 09:07
@Denis Pace - define 'rivoluzzjoni'. jekk issir bil-mod mhix rivoluzzjoni. u probabbli l-komunita' tista' tkun li qed taghmel hsara. imma rivoluzzoni ssir mill-komunita'. 18-il sena ilu, meta kont f'kors tas-socjologija, id-definizzjoni ta' familja kienet ga mibdula minn dik ta' ragel, mara u tfal. ghax il-hajja differenti minn dik li tahseb il-'komunita'.
Michael Grech
Jan 18th, 10:12
@Twanny Borg. Il-Prim ta' l-ezempju ta' xi hadd li kien mizzewweg mara li hu gay u li wara jibda relazzjoni ma persuna ta l-istess sess tieghu u jibqa jrabbi l-ibnu/bintu bhala xi haga li turi li 1) gays ga jindokraw tfal 2) allura m'hemm xejn hazin li gay li ma kienx mizzewweg mara jigi fdat jadutta wkoll. Jigifier iva, il-PN mhux kontra li irgiel gays jadottaw, minkejja l-kattolicizmu tieghu
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