Minister dismisses Ragusa Council concerns on interconnector
Updated - Finance Minister Tonio Fenech has dismissed concerns and opposition by Messina Council and an environmental NGO over the Sicily-Malta interconnector project, saying their concerns have already been addressed.
The council and Movimento Territorio di Ragusa expressed opposition to plans for the electricity interconnector going through Ragusa.
They said they would be at the frontline against the project for environmental reasons, arguing that the structure, particularly an on-shore terminal, would harm the area near Marina di Ragusa and the mouth of the River Irminio.
In comments to timesofmalta.com, Mr Fenech said he was confident the final go-ahead for the granting of the permits would be given by the Italian authorities in the coming weeks. The national government was backing the project and the Regional Council had already over-ruled the concerns of Ragusa Council, he said.
Mr Fenech pointed out that most of the interconnector on the Sicily side would be underground and in a committed area which already had a water treatment plant.
Therefore, he was confident that the project would not be derailed.
The Movement said that as far back as June last year, the Mayor of Ragusa, Nello Dipasquele, had already voiced opposition to the project and called on the proponents to interrupt the procedure for the implementation of the project.
He had called for alternative solutions which would protect the environment.
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michael catania
Jan 17th, 17:05
How silly are these conservatives, they are such knowalls. Mr Fenech and his party seems determined to push this island nation to the mercy of foreign nations. With the inter-connector we will be at the mercy of the Italians . We should be thinking of fuel storage ie terminals to ensure having enough resource. How can you trust the conservatives,
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jan 14th, 18:36
Can Fenech publish the reports he has on this situation? Can he tell us why he has never mentioned these problems before? Can he produce evidence that the concerns of the NGO and the Ragusa Council have been addressed - in writing of course. Has he anything in writing from the Italian giverment on this promise? Otherwise, I cannot assess whether he is saying the truth or not.
Jonathan Zammit Lapira
Jan 14th, 11:04
......................u dan tonio fenech minn mindu sar expert fl-energija???? Sa fejn naf jien accountant dan u mhux xi electrical engineer!!!
Simon Ciantar
Jan 14th, 10:32
went public saying that if Malta continues to refuse to take on illegal immigrants , Italy should shut down the interconnector ! We should be wary of becoming more dependent on third parties more than we already are
Joe Bonanno
Jan 14th, 23:36
Your comment raises serious questions and scenarios that should be addressed. If this pipeline is disrupted for any reason, either environmental or humanly induced, it could cause havoc in Malta. Both political parties need to focus on having alternate modes of supply. This is a long term project and future difficulties should be prudently anticipated.
Simon Ciantar
Jan 14th, 10:30
this issue highlights a more serious underlying problem with the connector and any future gas pipe line - our dependency on Italy. It is true that the inerconnector is part of the EU grid and that we might not be buying from Italy but from other countries , but the fact remains that the both of these links will be from Sicily. the writing is already on the wall when on Italian MP about a year ago
Mario Camilleri
Jan 14th, 09:35
Li ma nistax nifhem hu kif id-dejn nazzjonali taħt Tonio laħaq il-€5 biljubi u fuqhom u dan illum qed jitkellem fuq settur li teknikament ma jifhem xejn fih. Aħjar jgħidilna kif u għaliex l-ewwel impjant ta' Delimara, dak li kien inbena fl-1990 kien għadu mhux imħallas u tal-BWSC tħallsu diġa.
U jekk illum il-parlament xoljut kif għadom jissejħu "onorevoli" u "ministri"?
M Grima
Jan 14th, 08:47
"Tonio Fenech has dismissed concerns and opposition by Messina Council and an environmental NGO over the Sicily-Malta interconnector project, saying their concerns have already been addressed".
If he knew about these concerns why did he keep it a a secret. Moreover the below web page speaks differently.
http://ragusa.ragusanews.com/articolo/29702/territorio-no-all-elettrodotto-sicilia-malta
victor ellul
Jan 14th, 07:49
mela id.dinja kollha qed taqleb ghal GAS u malta qalbet ghal HFO ,,WHY ??? jista xihadd mil. ministeru jirrispodini.PLEASE.
Anthony A. Mifsud
Jan 14th, 09:27
No chance in getting an answer this time round.
Once the premium was paid, all went to dust ! Darker than the color black
Ask the one from yellow pages ?
Ninu
Noel Damato
Jan 14th, 04:04
Diskorsi li juruk li l-PN huma fi stat ta panic. Is- Fenech l-ex ministru bhas soltu hareg u mera dak li jkun intqal
Charles Camilleri
Jan 13th, 23:14
Is this another Gimmick Mr.Fenech?
Jean Karl De Bono
Jan 13th, 22:54
Minister Fenech is questioning the credibility of Joseph Muscat when stating that he is confident of private companies in the energy sector expressed their interest in the labour proposal. On the other hand we have all the right to question his credibility when stating that he is confident that the permits for the go-ahead of the interconnecter would be granted.
anthony brincat
Jan 13th, 22:44
sinjuri ta gonzipn tafu min dahhalna go hajt gas dawn min ghamel 8000000miljun dejn lil enemalta il maltin mhux cwic
P Caruana
Jan 13th, 22:29
ONLY IN MALTA> we start a project costing us Maltese tax payers 200 million Euros and we do not know if the electricity will ever reach us.
Very good indeed Gonzi PN, well done for the excellent planning !!! (being sarcastic)
Louis Craus
Jan 13th, 21:47
Jista joqghod ipeclaq fil- vojt Tonio mela. Dabbru raskom ghax umiljajtuna .Kissirtu partit u qsamtuh. Qatt fl- istorja ta' dan il- partit ma kien hawn daqshekk li jghidu kontrih minn nies tieghu stess. Dak li hadna b' GONZI PN. FIRDA- FIRDA -FIRDA.
pat muscat
Jan 13th, 21:31
Ragusans against the inter connector; this means years of bickering and infighting with the Sicilians who are worse than us! A gas fired clean and cheap power station is the way forward. We can't wait anymore cause GonziPN had 25 years to do something concretely and it did nothing :zero!
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 22:16
You talk as if the PL project is already up and running my friend. Just wait and see if and when it is ever ready at all!
A Mercieca
Jan 14th, 06:57
Your memory must be very short.... Just a reminder to all babbling about 25 years ago. Do you remember the HELL Malta was when your beloved MLP was finally toppled. Malta was just a rock. It took 25 years to convince the lejburisti that we should be in EU. Or are they not yet convinced?
David Farrugia
Jan 13th, 20:39
don't worry minister....when you re-take your EUR500 weekly bonus you'll afford paying the utility bills. Then of course you can send the Sicilians to buzz off.
K. Vella
Jan 13th, 20:38
Are we entrusting this project to someone like Konrad?!? What qualifications he has and how many power station projects he has managed? Why are these fesibilities not published? Ghax MALTA TAGHNA LKOLL
And where are the so called enviormentalists? we will be doubling the Powerstation size with 2 tanks the size of the Mosta Dome?!?!
ARA VERA ONLY IN MALTA!!!
P Caruana
Jan 13th, 22:26
@ K. Vella, First of all, your comment really has nothing to do with the topic above.
A more important question to you and your PN is, what if Sicily does not give the go ahead for the interconnector ??? Your PN started a project costing us Maltese tax payers 200 million Euros and we have no clue yet if a very important aspect of the project, the electricty, will ever reach us !!!!
THAT IS OIM !
Jean Karl De Bono
Jan 13th, 23:06
In the UK Konrad led various change projects which included the forging of an Alliance between seven energy companies which improved services and realised large savings. Konrad also worked with Regional Government leaders to transform deprived areas.
In Malta Konrad was also a lead member of the team which established Malta Enterprise.
Jean Karl De Bono
Jan 13th, 23:07
Between 1997 and 2002 Konrad was a management consultant within the Office of the Prime Minister where he led various projects which included the first public-private partnership to improve landscaping of Malta’s main roads and roundabouts. Konrad also held the position of CIO at Enemalta.
Jean Karl De Bono
Jan 13th, 23:07
He graduated from the University of Nottingham with Distinction in his M.A. studies and has also successfully completed his Doctorate (Ph.D.). He holds a B.Sc. from the University of Malta and a Diploma in Finance. Konrad was also awarded a Chevening Scholarship from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in the United Kingdom.
C Busuttil
Jan 13th, 23:21
Vera only in Malta ghax biex tghid dan il-kliem meta kellna gvern li kien kapaci jaghmel riforma tat-trasport pubbliku aghar milli kellna trid tkun genju. Jew teatru bla saqaf l-anqas fil-Burundi ma jaghmlu pudina bhal din.
Issa ghandkom bzonn l-environmentalists ? La darba qeghdin nitkellmu fuq l-ambjent xi tghidli fuq il-power station tal-Marsa suppost ghalqet fl-1987 skont il-programm tal-PN
K Grech
Jan 14th, 01:54
K.Vella your subject about the tanks is primarily invalid, especially if you look forward for the pipeline proposal which with it there will also be the need of a tank storage, else we will end up putting on candles and lanterns if anything goes wrong with the pipeline.
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 20:28
From the comments I am reading here it seems that not everyone saw the same Disset program on TVM on Saturday 12th! Obviously everyone heard what they wanted to hear it seems. But nobody can deny that the 2 year time frame was questioned, the water tariff reduction was criticised, the need for a new power plant was questioned etc.
robert pace
Jan 13th, 20:27
Very good Tonio depend on your so called interconnector and try to pass through Ragusa!! no joke probably thats were you will find the bomb you mentioned!!!
B Ellul
Jan 13th, 21:29
Robert, maybe you're missing it BUT the MLP plans are also dependent on the interconnector and it's becomefunctional by next year.
K Grech
Jan 14th, 01:57
B Ellul don't get high hopes that this will be working from next year. Regional elections are to be held in the upcoming weeks, and the bad part is that a number of contesting candidates are opposing the project along other environmental groups.
Vince Piscopo
Jan 14th, 05:43
Read the proposal well Mr Ellul and don't misinterpret. Interconnector will be considered once it is up and running but we need to act fast to save jobs and reduce tariffs asap so a new plant besiding being a doable project is the best option. GonziPN acted fast to launch a "roofless" theatre, new labour govt if elected will act fast in reducing tariffs to safeguard jobs which sustains our economy
victor ellul
Jan 14th, 06:30
b.ellul ghandek xi garanzija li l.interconnector se jkun lest
victor ellul
Jan 13th, 20:16
studju fuq studju fuq studju. ghalfejn qaghtu tistudjaw meta ghandkom lil David Agisu jikkoppja! Miskom qabbattu lilu.
Rodney Testa
Jan 13th, 20:04
Without being partisan since this issue impact our health, standard of living and our economy in the below link it shows that, yes there are movements against this from Ragusa;
http://www.ragusanews.com/articolo/29702/territorio-no-all-elettrodotto-sicilia-malta
Also in regards to LNG Carries it seems that it's not 4 as Dr Fenech, but 193+
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNG_carrier
Victor Vella
Jan 13th, 23:54
True Rodney and they ar ehired at about 120.000 dollars per day, but the minister was refering to small tankers of about 30,000cubic meters not the larger ones which would be too big for us.Has anyone considerred the re gasification of the LNG.And what do we do with the plant once the pipe line is built? maybe your answer would be the same as what Mintiff did with the de saliniser we had at Marsa
Salvu Sciberras
Jan 13th, 19:28
When they have no arguments or do not understand the issues, Labour apologists resort to attacking the Minister personally. Konrad Mizzi did the same on tv. A sure sign of lackof confidence in his energy plans.
Stephen Mangion
Jan 13th, 19:27
I really wish Tonio Fenech would devote one hour off from his office and read what people think on this blog to get a bit of a taste what a swing this election will be.
Pippo de Marco
Jan 13th, 20:43
A Gonzi Clique member paying attention to the electorate ? - That would be a first !
And probably the last chance they'll get.
X Borg
Jan 13th, 18:53
Remember, you may want to reconsider, these are the sort of promises resignations are made of - and I mean real resignations.
George Satariano
Jan 13th, 18:15
Taqra l-kummenti kollha li qeghdin jidhru fuq din il-website, aktar tigini hegga biex ghal darb'ohra l-ghazla tkun lejn il-PN.
Il-Partit Laburista qieghed jipprova jilghab bl-intelligenza tan-nies u jaghmel manipulazzjoni tal-opinjoni billi jiddetta hafna kritika u qtugh ta' nifs u tama fin-nies. Il-vera tal-misthija.
In-nies wahedhom jindunaw x'inhu jsir. il-Malti hu kapaci hafna biex jinduna
Michael Magri
Jan 13th, 19:15
Sur Satariano.. Jiena mhux se nghidlek lil min tivvota ghax bli ktibt tidher li inti ma jaffettwawk xejn il-kontijiet, mhux hekk..!! Good for you... Pero tippruvax taghmel bhal shabek ta GonziPN u dak li qed jaghmlu huma il-hin kollu, biex forsi jistejqru xi ftit mid-daqqa politka li hadu fil-kaz tad-dawl u l-ilma, titfghuh fuq il-PL ghax zgur li il-Maltin m`humiex daqshekk cwiec..!!
Stephen Mangion
Jan 13th, 19:21
You really think so? Are you perhaps one of those person who lives off his island or perhaps to that stereotype who lives detached from reality. Get real. Country needs a change big time.
B Ellul
Jan 13th, 21:35
Needs a change???? For the worse with the MLP? Mela grazzi nibqa hekk!
u btw all this fuss for the energy bills? I though that after the MLP crusade for the last 4 years, the bills will be reduced more not just a miserable 5% on water (in fact no-one ismentioning it) and a 25% on CONSUMPTION. Yes read it well 25% on consumption, still have to pay the meter rent.
A. Agius
Jan 13th, 22:04
Ara vera sour grapes ta….
@B Ellul: if the proposed reduction is so negligible, why didn't your government reduce our bills earlier? Besides it's not just a matter of reducing bill: LP's proposal includes the shift from HFO to gas meaning cleaner air and healthier residents (your government did the opposite). Is this irrelevant as well?
C Busuttil
Jan 13th, 23:09
Tkellem ghalik sur satariano
Jien u ohrajn ilna kwazi hames snin nghidu li l-PN mhux miexi sewwa, kien hawn minn prova jirredikolana. Illum hames snin wara qeghdin jigu wara l-bibien taghna b'hafna dmugh tal-Kukkudrilli, imma daqshekk bqajna boloh din id-darba mhux ser nivvota. Biss kliemek tentazzjoni biex nivvota...... labour.... imma serrah mohhok mhux ser naghmel hekk imma l-anqas PN pudini
Pierre Fenech
Jan 13th, 18:12
Irrelevant of what Minister Fenech says I am not ready to beleive him. At the end of the day he one of the architects behind the decision to grant himself and the Cabinet colleagues an increase of €600 PER WEEK behind everybody's back. That on its own makes you think not twice but a hundred times before you beleive what these people are saying. From a flat to a villa in a few years says it all.
jm busuttil
Jan 13th, 19:13
Joseph will have a bigger cabinet and not only will he be giving them the € 600 but he will be spending much much more to keep his elected members quite. Trud tkun ipokrita
Stephen Mangion
Jan 13th, 19:35
Couldnt agree with you more on the matter
Noel Cuschieri
Jan 13th, 21:53
I am amazed how one can own a villa worth thousands of Euro from an average employment in arelatively short time!
Anthony Paris
Jan 13th, 17:34
Irrespective of whether the PN plan for energy is better or worse than the PL's, irrespective of the PN's usual promise of a rosy future, irrespective that the "rebbiegha" that EFA promised us never came, there is one overriding reason for voting the PN out: PN has lost all CREDIBILITY.
C Muscat
Jan 13th, 17:33
Id-dilettantizmu ta Tonio Fenech qed jidher. Mhux ta b xejn ghamel f 4 snin daqs kwemm ghamel EFA f 21 sena u qabez il 5000 miljun euro.
Jahseb li jista jbella kollox lil kulhadd!!
Marthese Cassar
Jan 13th, 17:31
Tonio, this should make you appreciate Pls mature and wise decision not to depend on one source but have a good energy mix. Our nation must ensure that it will not become a potential hostage to any one source, thus the good Pl decision to have a spectrum of energy sources. Maybe the Maltese DEPASQUALEs can put in a good wordMfor malta with the Sicilian Ragusa mayor DIPASQUALE.
Alfred Vassallo
Jan 13th, 17:30
''Mr Fenech said he was confident......''
Confidence coming from the pn camp was never promising.....Mater Dia & Power stations come to mind.
George Cassar
Jan 13th, 17:26
The Minister surely must have know about these "concerns" previously. How he managed to hide them from the public eye is quite a feat becoming to his party.
He was so adamant to criticise the PL's alternatives to his messing about that he completely forgot about them. Now he tries to reassure us that all is well.
Dear Minister, ALL is not well under your charge!
George Cassar
Jan 13th, 17:21
"Mr Fenech said he was confident the final go-ahead for the granting of the permits would be given y the Italian authorities in the coming weeks"
How can he be so certain or is this just another pre-election promise? Maybe a gimmick?
Joseph Galea
Jan 14th, 16:05
Both parties say that they are 'confident' about something. In MinisterFenech's case, it's confidence that the Ragusa objections can be overcome. This confidence pales into insignificance compared to Joseph Muscat's confidence that the private sector will rush in to carry out the LP's multi-million Euro energy project.
Carlo Cassar
Jan 13th, 17:09
Yesterday's discussion on Dissett about the Pl's proposal on energy with the participation of experts in the sector prooved that Labour's strateg was well planned and studied. They all agreed about this. There is always space for finetuning a proposal but this denies the prime minister's opinion that the plan is 'unprofessional'. This Sicily barrier was again hidden from the people.
Anthony Mizzi
Jan 13th, 17:08
Li jghid Tonio nahseb li hu IRRELEVANTI !
Ahjar ihabbat bieb iehor bil-pipe tieghu ...li jmissu iu lest!
Paul Micallef
Jan 13th, 17:05
Jista xi hadd mil kamp tal PN jejdli jekk mhux ha johorgu il kontijit tad dawl u ilma qabel l-lezzjoni??? Ghax ghadda minn widnejja li qieghedin fuq HOLD, ghax ha kun hemm xi hsara fil KOMPUTERS, Biex jekk ikun hemm tal PL fil gvern ikollhom ihabtu wicchom ma kontijiet gholjin. Dik politika.
Joe Calleja
Jan 13th, 19:57
Sur Micallef. Jiena rcevejtu l-kont u gejt mhedded li se jaqtghuli s-supply jekk ma nhallasx fi zmien 10 ijiem mid-data tal-ittra ghax qbist il-massimu ta' kreditu li jinghata mill-Enemalta/WSC. Izda dan l-ammont deher li qbistu ghax zdied kont li kien "Stima" u ghalhekk mhux obbligat inhallsu!
Imbaghad l-kont ircevejtu 5 ijiem wara d-data fl-ittra, u 5 ijiem qabel jaghlaq iz-zmien. DIN politika!
C Busuttil
Jan 13th, 23:14
Sur Calleja
dik mhux politika imma kuxjenza socjali tal-partit tas-sinjur
Saviour Sam Agius
Jan 13th, 16:59
What has Messina got to do with it?
Peppi Borg
Jan 13th, 16:46
The least you could do dear minister was to inform the Maltese people about the disagreement by the Sicilians and not go on Xarabank screaming about the Father Christmas who turmed his back to the people or was it Beppe?
Stephen Zammit
Jan 13th, 16:45
Just want to remind the commentators that the inter-connector project is an important part of the energy plans of both PL and PN. The sooner it's sorted the better for everyone and if it's not sorted we all stand to lose.
Mario Spiteri
Jan 13th, 16:40
It is interesting that the Ragusa mayor, Nello Dipasquale, a staunch right of centre politician with his past firmly anchored in the Democrazia Cristiana, Forza Italia and the Popolo della Liberta', has in August 2012 changed tack and joined Rosario Crocetta's centre left Movimento per il Territorio. The (Sicilian) left trying to help out the (Maltese) left perhaps?
Mr Alistaire Gill
Jan 13th, 16:36
Dalghodu ghidtulna li Ghawdex taghkom. Issa anke Ragusa? Kemm bezzghajtna bid-divorzju ftit tax-xhur ilu. M'ghadekx issemih illum.
Marthese Cassar
Jan 13th, 16:33
Tonio . yesterday on Dissett Profs Vella shot down your scaremongering about the storage of liquified Gas. Profs Mallia made reference to your incompetence about energy matters ,when he ridiculed your suggestion that new ships had to be built. How do now expect us to take you seriously given your tarck record. The Pl proposal at least ensures that we will have control over our gas suppliers.
VINCENT WILLIAMS
Jan 13th, 16:32
How can Minister Tonio Fenech assure the people that what the Ragusa Council is protesting about the Malta interconnector is not a GIMMICK?
JG. Briffa
Jan 13th, 16:31
Kemm hu sewwa li iggib il-gas bil-vapur u mhux bil pipe line .
Charles Zahra
Jan 13th, 16:28
Now we will ask Mosta Local Council to act as intermediary on the issue..
Mosta was twinned with Ragusa in May 2004. The agreement had been signed by Mosta mayor Joseph de Martino and Ragusa mayor Antonino Solarini at the council offices in Mosta on May 1, the day Malta joined the European Union.
J. Pace
Jan 13th, 16:24
Truly the people in here happy with this news are really naive.
Mhux ovvja li ha jeqred biex jiehu xi haga al regjun tiehu! Normali din anke Malta fil kunsilli lokali tigri! U tahsbu li ta marsaxlokk mhux ha jeqirdu bit tankijiet tal-labour!
Apparti li decizjoni tieghu kienet diga over ruled u jekk taqraw sew - "He had called for alternative solutions which would protect the environment.
jm busuttil
Jan 13th, 16:06
Can someone with the PL tell the Labour elves that if the interconnector fails the PL promise of reducing the terrifs with 25% in 2014 is Bye Bye.
Although Cyprus Joseph he never mentioned that the interconnector will help in decreasing the rates at 25% it is uncountable that he was banking on it as the power station will for sure not be ready before the next election.
Anthony Mizzi
Jan 13th, 16:03
Nemmnuh?
Jeffrey Mallia
Jan 13th, 18:34
Le
Victor Calleja
Jan 13th, 15:36
Sibna intopp ghal interconnector ahseb u ghara ghal pipeline tal gas. ministru jekk noqoghdu nistennew lilek id dawl jorhos ghal generazzjoni li jmiss. Mhux ahjar xi haga fidejna milli paroli tieghek. jekk nihdu ezempju kemm dam jinbena Mater Dei bizzejjed biex ma nemmnukx aktar.
Monica Muscat
Jan 13th, 15:31
Thank you for the update Hon. Fenech. Contrary to other commentators, who leave no doubt about their political orientation, I do believe that the final go-ahead will come soon. By the way, does it not seem strange that a problem which cropped up months ago, was kept confidential, now surfaces "en force" just weeks before GE - and when, LP proposals have been squashed? Makes you think, does it not?
Willie Grech
Jan 13th, 17:28
@ Monica Muscat
"LP proposals have been squashed?" By who? If according to you the LP proposals have been squashed by what Tonio, Simon and Lawrence said, then we certainly have no doubt about your political orientation.
BTW, I hope that you don't believe that the PL has something to do with this revelation being brought to our attention now!!
C Busuttil
Jan 13th, 23:12
squashed ? 11% advantage for the PL, f'liema dinja tghixu ? Pluto ?
Hemm dinja reali hemm barra mhux dik ta' Net TV
W. Cassar
Jan 13th, 15:28
I don't believe one thing Tonio says, he has no power in Sicily !
Lawrence Fenech
Jan 13th, 15:10
Ton ma tistax tigikhom wahda tajba u dan kollu lejliet l'elezzjoni ghax maz zarmawx.
Saviour Vella
Jan 13th, 15:00
I always had my doubt, how the Sicilians are to let us use their land, to pass the interconnector, to be able to have reduced utility bills, and be able to compete with them with better export prices .
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 15:22
Italy has electricity to sell from which they make a profit. That's the bottom line and that's what makes Ragusa's Council whining irrelevant.
C Busuttil
Jan 13th, 14:58
Prosit pudina wara l-ohra.
Sur Ministru m'intix kredibbli ghax int kont wiehed minn dawk li hadt zieda minn wara dar il-poplu.
Mr Joe Micallef
Jan 13th, 14:57
You can say PL elves are hot under the collar and are clutching at invisible straws. Every news is good news to help support the PL's nonsense idea.
The funny thing is that there take from this story is that it proves that we need to be self sufficient and hence the PLs idea is great.
The LITTLE detail they miss is that PL is proposing a privately owned plant! Ta dahk kieku mhux tal-biki.
C Busuttil
Jan 13th, 15:08
sorry to inform you I am no PL fan, never was never will, however I tired of the PN and therefore will not vote. This Ragusa issue strengthens my conviction that the PN is beyond expiry date. Fenech is not credible since he was one of those who got a 500euro increase behind our backs.
Besides your comments are a clear example of PN arrogance
Willie Grech
Jan 13th, 15:15
@ Mr. Joe Micallef.
"PL elves are hot under the collar" you say? Why? For proposing something that to ex PN minister Michael Falzon and many others is a doable thing? If there is someone who is getting very hot under the collar they are those people who first say that these proposals are a gimmick, then they are going to reduce the tariffs, first one thing than the opposite.
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 15:40
Mhux ahjar iddoq naqra il-gitarra Mr. Joe Micallef forsi niedħqu aktar?
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 15:43
My oh my... is it possible that you're not crying reading the above article? Suppost tifem naqra fuq l-Italja inti.. u ma tinkwetakx din il-biċċa? Gas Pipe Gonzi.
Mr Joe Micallef
Jan 13th, 22:01
Micallef ghaliex suppost nifhem fit-Taljani? Din xi ohra tas Super One jaqaw jew qieghed tosserva l'istillel!
Warren Griscti
Jan 13th, 14:55
Nahseb jin xi hadd iehor et ibigh il hut fil bahar xtahsbu hbib ? Mux il pl ax tana proposta konkrteta
A Dimech
Jan 13th, 14:48
tehy will finally admit that the PL proposal makes sense - if we want to sort out something in the next 5 to 10 years.
A Dimech
Jan 13th, 14:43
25 years in government talking about the interconnector with the people getting HFO + high tariffs instead.
Salvu Sciberras
Jan 13th, 14:33
I cannot understand is the rubbing of hands by Labour supporters when they smell a hitch in Malta's plans. The Italian national government and the regional government have backed the project. So in 1914 Maltese consumers will enjoy lower electricity rates thanks to the interconnector, whoever is in government. Both Labour and Nationalist consumers will profit from the PN's level-headed policies
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 15:24
They forget that Muscat's plan also relies on the interconnection! lol
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 14:30
So in a nutshell, Minister Tonio Fenech is dismissing what Ragusa, i.e. the supplier of the interconnector are saying. I'm find it mind boggling to believe Minister Tonio Fenech. How can he dismiss what the supplier, i.e. from whom we will depending, are saying? And considering the poor track record of this minister, it convinces me even more not to believe him.
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 15:11
Ragusa is not the supplier! Ragusa is where the interconnection building for the power line will be. They're objecting to the building. Get your facts straight before making erroneous comments.
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 16:54
@ Wilfred camilleri,
Ragusa will be the supplying point. I don't care where the source is coming from. If Ragusa is objecting, Gonzi's Gas Pipe will not be laid and connected to Ragusa. It would be better for your if you start understanding the basics!
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 20:04
@Joseph Do you know that the interconnector is also part of Muscat's plan?
The basics Mr. Micallef are that Ragusa's objections have already been overruled by the Regional Council and Ragusa already has a water treatment plant in the area (a much bigger threat to the environment.). Do you understand these basic facts?
Mr Alexander Azzopardi
Jan 13th, 14:28
Dan li dejjem jagibni fil PN: huma dejjem tajjeb u haddiehor dejjem hazin
Monica Muscat
Jan 13th, 15:38
Li PN dejjem tajjeb mhux veru, għax dan jammettieħ Dr Gonzi, għax jammetti li la aħna lkoll umani, żbalji ser nagħmlu żgur. Iżda dwar dawk tal-Labour, hemm il-provi! Sa issa ħlief proposti nofs sajran, deciżżjonijiet sbaljati w ftit xhur fil-Gvern li daħħlu lil Malta fis-Swar(??) ma rajniex!!!! Aħseb u xtarr Poplu Malti!
Willie Grech
Jan 13th, 14:28
Well, the minister has been dismissing everything that the PL proposes. But what about the alternatives? How long should we wait for before we have some alternative proposals, backed by facts and numbers (as the minister always asks for from the PL), from a party who for the past 5 years gave us all sorts of excuses behind the exorbitant high W & E tariffs?
A Farrugia
Jan 13th, 14:27
Din tal interconnector ilkhom gejjn biha snin u snin sur Ministru, studju wara studju, u azzjoni ftit li xejn bhall kollox. Issa zmien ghalaq u l'poplu jrid u ghandu dritt li jkun izjed stmat u mhux mitluq, biex inkunu nistghu insolvu il problemi interni tal partit.
In-nies ghandha mohh bizzejjed u mhux cuc bhal ma tahseb int Ministru, biex tara min ghandu proposti serji u vjabli.
Joseph Grech Attard
Jan 13th, 14:27
Ragusians have every right and duty to object if the project could be detrimental to their environment. One cannot treat them as irrelevant, as is the norm of GonziPN to anyone who disagrees with it! The North of Italy has passed through a similar situation and certain projects are still delayed because of the local people's objection., despite approval from Italian parliament. Watch out!!
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 15:14
A building next to a water a water treatment plant is bad for the environment? The water treatment plant is a much bigger threat to the environment. This is simply a local council objecting because they can do so.
Martin Saliba
Jan 13th, 14:24
Mr Fenech said he was confident the final go-ahead for the granting of the permits would be given y the Italian authorities in the coming weeks.
At present both parties are very confident that they are going to win the next elections . If confident , in tonio fenech's dictionary , means 100% certian then that means that both parties are going to win .
Mr Conrad V. Busuttil
Jan 13th, 15:24
I sincerely do hope that the Minister is aware that at this very instance, the Italian Parliament has no functionality just like ours. This in view of Italy also heading for a general election.
Minister Fenech might not make it till the 9th of March to give the Maltese electorate a confirmation of the project taking off.
john muscat
Jan 13th, 14:23
So Dr. Muscat shows that he is on the right track!!
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 15:16
Yes, Muscat is on the right track to destroy the Maltese economy!
Edgar Gambin
Jan 13th, 17:43
Yes the one and only track. Gas down ghal gol-hajt.
Jon Briffa
Jan 13th, 14:17
The problem with the PN is that they are saying the interconnector will be ready in 5-7 years. The problem is that for a bureaucratic nation of Italy I find this timeframe a tad bit fictitious. And the PN has the face to say the PL's timeframe are wrong. Yes to interconnector and yes to a "healthier" powerstation,
Edgar Gambin
Jan 13th, 17:48
Mr. Briffa you only watch Super One. The inter connector will be ready by the end of 214. It is the gas pipeline that will take longer. Maybe you don't know the difference between the inter connector and the pipeline.
M Farrugia
Jan 13th, 14:13
Dwar dan ma konna smajna xejn qabel l-proposta tl-labour spiccat imtertqa minn Tonio fenech, AD u esperti Maltin.wiehed jispera li dan mhux xi kaz iehor bhal tal-impjant ta' Sant antnin, meta saru attendati go Brussel sabiex jitwaqqaf.
*Joseph Brincat
Jan 13th, 14:12
Mr Fenech said he was confident the final go-ahead for the granting of the permits would be given by the Italian authorities in the coming weeks.
The final ??? go-ahead In the coming weeks >> coming weeks ??? NO NO NO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLD-7bCtME
G Schembri
Jan 13th, 14:08
So the interconnector is not a fait compli like the PN would like to make us believe. Will the Lawrence Gonzi or the Minister shoulder responsibility that the interconnector will not be derailed. Will he resign his position or refrain from contesting the election if this project does not go through like he expects the PL to do, or as usual for the PN everything goes.
N. Attard
Jan 13th, 14:07
Not good for the country. Buzzieqa ohra mifqugha f'wicc Gonzipn. I expect our caretaker government to tell us what is plan b! I personally doubt he has it!
matthew tanti
Jan 13th, 14:07
mela d-dinja kollha tahdem bil-pipelines, u ahna se nivvintaw sistema differenti li ma tinkludix il-pipeline, meta din hi s-sistema li tixtieq l-UE. Storja simili ghal tac-CET meta ghamilniha tal-bravi u ppruvajna noholqu sistema differenti min dik li kien ilha tahdem fuqha 'l bqija tad-dinja. jidher kemm joey muscat hu l-eredi ta' fredu sant
Jessie Borg
Jan 13th, 14:03
Part 2 with the infrastructure our critical places such as hospitals and airport will be at a lower risk of power cuts.
As regards the gas pipeline again we will have the option to buy not from one supplier but from the cheaper.
As regards the Russia ukrain dispute mentioned below please note that this happened only because there was a financial issue.
jason cassar
Jan 13th, 14:01
ezatt gietek sur Tonio...wara l frakass li amilt fil legislatura dan huwa l ahhar musmar !
Jessie Borg
Jan 13th, 14:01
The interconnect or is the best thighs this government is doing for the fOllowing reasons
A - with the interconnect or we are not buying electricity from Sicily but from Europe and we can then also buy cheap renewable energy.
B- it will result in more efficiency at enemalta since then our electricity company will not need to produce over capacity. The interconnected will provide that. Lower cost.
Robert Lewis
Jan 13th, 13:58
Put the papers on the table showing the maltese people that there is no opposition from Ragusa Dr Fenech, like you asked PL to put on the table the workings for their proposal. Hekk titlob is serjeta u l-onesta, x'tahseb. May be this weeks' Bondi plus, TVhemm or Xarabank will include this issue and they will ask you to present the acceptance documents.
Mr. M. Camilleri
Jan 13th, 13:58
U TRIDNA NEMMNUK . . .
bħal tas-surplus din????
Patrick Cumbo
Jan 13th, 13:56
I keep confirming the the PL proposal for renewal energy is sustainable and it is realistic. It is a shame that political parties simply to win power are ready to oppose positive and effective change. If this take place again I insist to keep up with my belief of power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely. At the end poor us and those who are struggeling to live a decent life..
JG. Briffa
Jan 13th, 13:55
Kemm hu tajjeb il-gas bil-vapur iggib min fejn trid
Kevin Marks
Jan 13th, 13:50
Mela ghada Tonio narawh fuq it tv u jghidilna'm hu veru xejn u m hu veru xejn' jaghlaq ghajnejh u jghidilna li kollox gimmic u li l interconnecter lest! U hallina Toninu mhux ta b xejn hadt tkaxkira al vici kap mid delegati ghax politika ghal gol hajt tajtna dal 5 snin
twanny borg
Jan 13th, 13:46
Dan l-ahjar ghax jithallas mill-eu parti zghira ta' 15 fil-mija thallas malta. Tkun mignun darba issa l-eu accettat li tghin.
Maria Mangion
Jan 13th, 13:45
Is sur Konrad Mizzi ahjar jahseb biex ikabbar il magna l gdida fil kaz li l connector ma jasalx fiz zmien.
j brincat
Jan 13th, 13:41
And then GonzoPN talks about gimmicks algal the time!
jb
Gordon Grech
Jan 13th, 13:40
Issa sirna nafu? Ghalhiex il fatti hergin issa?
John Bonello
Jan 13th, 13:40
PT4. and a back-up power plant to depend on the MLP proposal means selling our soul to the devil, for political gain. In countries were the energy company is the private sector this situations are always on-going and the consumer end up paying the price. Glad that this type of situation arisen in due time as this can alert the people and start asking more question to MLP
j brincat
Jan 13th, 13:39
Why is it that the ex Minister's statement did not quell my fears?
jb
m. borg (slm)
Jan 13th, 13:38
So Tonio Fenech thinks he has more clout than the Scicilians regads this new problem.
Maybe he knows some Don who could twist a few hands?
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 13:38
So.. when compared, the proposal coming from Labour not only makes more sense, but it's more reliable! I'm seeing that Labour's proposal is the obvious choice. The one being proposed by government seems highly unreliable, risky and non-doable.
Richard Caruana
Jan 13th, 13:36
Probably there wasn't enough profit for particular Sicilians, that's why they complained.
John Zammit
Jan 13th, 13:36
What about the others. There are 33 between local and regional council approvals require to reach the connection point for the inter-connector.
Eve Axiaq
Jan 13th, 13:36
U qalilna li se jkun lest is-sena d-diehla! Mur emminhom!
Ahseb u ara ghal pipeline x'inhu gej!
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 13:36
Eh... ok.. so We have Toninu Fenech who is dismissing what the city who needs to provide us with the supply of the interconnector are saying. Tajba din. Ara veru dan il-bniedem ma jafx jistħi. Imeri dak li irridu minn għandu. This must be really worrying for a reliable supply of energy Dear Tonio!! not the bomba laburista!!
John Bonello
Jan 13th, 13:33
PT3.this is a typical example of what could happen if we end up dependable from the foreign investors to generate the electricity for us, one industrial dispute with the government or Enemata and they shut down the plant then what, we have to bow our head to them. Hats why pipeline is better as we will always have a backup storage facility to store HFO
Mr Nathan zammit
Jan 13th, 15:55
and being highly dependable on the interconnector means that we have to bow down to the sicilians. remember the gas issues between Russia and Ukraine in 2009 that left half of europe without gas? we could be a victim of that as well if we become fully dependant on the pipeline.. as well as the rates which can be imposed on us. pipeline + terminal would be ideal but too expensive initally!
John Bonello
Jan 13th, 13:30
PT2.But we don’t have to panic “He had called for alternative solutions which would protect the environment” so there are alternative to his opposition and is not saying No he is stating that there are alternative solutions that’s all. Funny how some of the comments from people who pledge to have their county interest at heart are all excited .
SPiru Attard
Jan 13th, 13:28
PL stop explaining your proposal...we understood immediately....the PN needs to start doing some explanations now
John Bonello
Jan 13th, 13:27
PT1.This doesn’t mean that this can happen, but let’s say that this won’t happen this year then I am more adamant to know how JM will be able to reduce the E&W bills from next year and what about the 9c6 tariffs now, it need to be revised to 16c4/U as the other 7c/U reduction is related to the interconnector.
Mr Joe Micallef
Jan 13th, 13:26
I just love it the way PL elves are clutching at straws.
N. Aquilina
Jan 13th, 15:13
What exactly are you talking about? I think you meant PN not PL
Joseph Micallef
Jan 13th, 15:42
And I just love reading your non-sense, saddening comments. That will give us more energy and commitment to provide you with better quality education.
Evarist Saliba
Jan 13th, 13:26
This incident only shows that making plans is one thing; implementing them is another.
This applies also to the plans proposed by the Labour Party.
Let us keep our feet on the ground. Malta will always be dependent on the cooperation of others for the provision of fuel for generating our energy.
Paul Cassar
Jan 13th, 13:21
BUT ISN'T IT CLEAR ENOUGH THAT DEPENDING ON ANOTHER COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY SICILY, FOR
VITAL ENERGY SUPPLY IS SIMPLY SHEER FOLLY...............if gonzi/simonpn and stooges are oblivious to all
this, they don't even deserve to be politicians, let alone get my vote.
K CASSAR
Jan 13th, 13:19
Ironic that PN accused PL of an unreliable plan when their own has been buffed. I think self sufficiency would me more viable than dependence on other countries. Tonio Fenech should do his homework better. So much for the money spent on consultancies! What solution can PN offer now?
Peppi Borg
Jan 13th, 13:12
I am not willing to wait for the interconnector and until then pay high utility rates. No thankyou minister Tonio Fenech. I do not blame the Italians but what Gonzipn is promising us is a castle built on sand! Why did Tonio Fenech or Mr Ciantar did not reveal any of this?
Donna Parnis
Jan 13th, 13:10
Now we watch all the PN supporters giving excuses to cover up Gonzis GIMMICKS. Now explain this one to us Gonzi if you can.
C Muscat
Jan 13th, 13:03
Jien cert li Gonzi jitbissem u Simon jitbissem ghax xejn ma hu ser ineehilhom it-tbissima; nahseb li l anqas jekk il-poplu jaghzxel PL.
Tbissmu G u S u komplu idhqu bina.
M Gatt
Jan 13th, 12:47
I would never depend on Italians. Their track record of reliability is below average to say the least. Ask Vodafone!
V. Cauchi
Jan 13th, 12:47
Ci mancherebbe altro!
I can imagine the mutual charges to be hurled at each other. One side: You should have done your homework well before going out to sea. The other side: Now let's see whether you know any friend of friends at Ragusa and what mettle this Movimento is made of.
The name of sides may be surmised at one's will.
ANTHONY PAVIA
Jan 13th, 12:47
Correct me if I am dreaming, but weren't we given the impression by solemn looking, straight chinned spokespersons that this project was almost ready to deliver? And, practically, all that was needed were some flags and marble slabs so someone may be photographed flicking the switch on?
VINCENT WILLIAMS
Jan 13th, 12:45
Another political blow to the PN's lame energy policy.
After hearing the PM in Gozo criticizing the PL's energy project. It is clear that the PM ignored absolutely the Ragusa Council objection regarding our interconnector.
Going around and around it all ends where it begun. The changing of the regulations by the PN Government to build the BWSC power station. And the 4 million ewro commission.
Robert Lewis
Jan 13th, 12:40
It looks like Tonio Fenech will need the LNG carriers himself. One making plans to pass through my property without my permission, hekk sew. The Movement said that as far back as June last year, the Mayor of Ragusa, Nello Dipasquele, had already voiced opposition to the project. Nobody mentioned this. That is a gimmick.
Malcolm Farrugia
Jan 13th, 12:34
It seems that the proposed inter connector is yet another Pie in the Sky!
John Zammit
Jan 13th, 12:25
Where is plan "B" for such a situation
m. borg (slm)
Jan 13th, 13:41
Plan "B" ................... blame it on others.
Of course they have a plan B
*Joseph Brincat
Jan 13th, 14:01
John Zammit Where is plan "B" for such a situation
PLAN >> B >> http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/1-bewick-hanged-man-granger.jpg
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 14:52
Simple. The Ragusa local call council has already been overruled. So plan B is ignore their whining!
John Zammit
Jan 13th, 12:24
I don't know who the experts that worked for the Government are But they surly know that there were other ways as across Sicily in the proposed route there are 33 between local and regional council approvals require to reach the connection point for the inter-connector.
j brincat
Jan 13th, 14:08
Imma ma tantx jidher li irnexxilu anzi tahtu d-dejn kompla jikberu jikberu. Jekk ma tafx ahjar ma thuds xejn, kieku.
jb
Emanuel Muscat
Jan 13th, 14:39
So the new 200MW to be produced in 2015 would NOT most certainly be sold to the sicilians or other europeans?
To whom then?
A Spiteri
Jan 13th, 12:15
I have to say that I'm now beginning to pity gonzi...kollox kontrieh qed nigi Marelli
A M Bonello
Jan 13th, 12:10
Were being held to ransom already.
Just imagine a gas pipeline then.
At least ships can ship gas from anywhere in the world and we can buy at competitive prices.
A PIPE LINE WOULD MEAN COMING FROM ONE SOURCE AT ONE PRICE.Similar to one Grundig color television set at one price.
Look into what happened between Ukraine and Russia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_gas_disputes
Jessie Borg
Jan 13th, 14:05
Please read the article well. If we do. To pay our bills I think no one will supply us with gas , pipe or ship
Ruben Mifsud
Jan 13th, 14:07
And you think that ships ship gas for free?? Shipping cost is much more expensive than pumping gas through a pipe line... Any other additional cost must be paid by us consumers!
A M Bonello
Jan 13th, 17:52
I'm sure that Konrad Mizzi and Dr Muscat have a very solid and careful plan and that they are heading for the right direction for the Maltese people.
Charles Cremona
Jan 13th, 12:04
another gimmick from Cyprus Joe and the Labour party!
N. Aquilina
Jan 13th, 15:10
Qrajtu l artiklu Sur Cremona, jew hsiebek biss biex tfajjar il kritika ghall PL. X'faqar ta hsieb!
N Camilleri
Jan 13th, 11:59
il-verita u l-onesta tirbah dejjem ... tippruvax titmejjel bl-inteligenza taghna lkoll ghax illum jew ghada iz-zejt jitla fil-wicc ...
Mr. M. Camilleri
Jan 13th, 11:47
Jekk din mhux GIMMICK, x'inhu GIMMICK?????
Aħjar taħdmu sew fuq il-proposti Gonzi għax ħlief tmaqdru lil tal-PL m'għamiltux! issa ara x'inhu jiġri . . . magħkom qed ibagħtu l-konsegwenzi Malta u l-Maltin!!!!!!!!!
jm busuttil
Jan 13th, 11:43
It is unbelievable how we start commenting and not even have the patience to read six small paragraphs which finish as follows:
" He had called for alternative solutions which would protect the environment. "
It not mistaken even Joseph said that they have alternate measures in his energy proposal.
Let's grow up and be faithful to what we read.
David Galea
Jan 13th, 11:55
@Jm Busuttil,
I totally agree that one should read every line and not part of a sentence and then take it out of context.
j brincat
Jan 13th, 11:33
So the PL's proposal make more and more sense!
jb
L Zammit
Jan 13th, 12:36
...and more money
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 14:47
You're kidding right?
Anton Attard
Jan 13th, 11:32
Dear Dr. Gonzi - did we spend Eur200 million without first obtaining a permit from the italian authorities? This is either madness or sheer incompetence
carlos ellul
Jan 13th, 11:32
You worry too much guys. I am sure that Simon will work his wonders with the Sicilians just as he did with the Brussels top guys regarding the mandatory burden sharing.
W. Cassar
Jan 13th, 11:12
Let me start by saying the inter-connector is a good idea... the only bad thing about it is that its linked to Sicily, the Italians have never been reliable in whatever they do.
Jonathan Brimmer
Jan 13th, 11:00
This is what happens when you become dependent on other countries to generate energy. While interconnector project is important because we need to be connected to the European grid, we need to be self-sufficient as a country. That is why Labour's plan makes sense.
Victor Pulis
Jan 13th, 13:49
If we are to be self sufficient why are we planning to buy gas from other countries?!
Mr ALBERT LEONE GANADO
Jan 13th, 10:58
A clear warning not to become too dependent on Sicily for our energy. Sicilian politics is sui generis with local interest syndicates often stalling or denying development projects to the benefit of all Sicilians as it might upset some local hegemony or enrichment by man of honor. They stalled the autostrada and Messina bridge for over 50 years. Will our interconnector suffer same fate?.
Emanuel Muscat
Jan 13th, 12:14
Sicily has many landing areas for an interconnector cable: Ragusa is just one of them!
Vincent Cassar
Jan 13th, 13:30
Mr Muscat, mela hsibt li qieghed titratta ma xi pipe tal-plastic? Inti taf kemm jigik biex taghmel diversion tas-sistema? U tafx jekkx il-Gvern kellux pjan iehor kemm-il darba din tigri? Sal-bierah il-Prim qal illi l-interconnector se jkun lest sa l-2014.
Willie Grech
Jan 13th, 14:08
@ Emm Muscat.
Did you get this info from the Ragusa council or do you have some influencial Sicilian contact? Can you please tell us from where you got this info?
Edward Mallia
Jan 13th, 15:03
With respect Albert, the Messina bridge was finally(if that) stopped by the fact that the EU refused to contribute towards its cost and the country could not afford it, particularly after going for the TAV Torino-Lyon. The 'men of honour' from their distant lair of Toronto Canada were already preparing to tender for at least part of the bridge works, at least the group from the north side.
Mr Conrad V. Busuttil
Jan 13th, 15:20
Dear Mr Muscat,
Mr Leone Ganado's comment is in respect of Sicily in its entirety and not focused only towards Ragusa. Hence the fact of existence of syndicates and men of honor lies across the entire island of Sicily. This means that whichever part of that island we might want to target, we will remain exposed to the same risks.
A.Felix Busuttil
Jan 13th, 10:41
Mr Prim Minister is this true? How come you are spending millions of € with out getting clearance first from authorities. this might take years to settle. we were never informed about this.
Wilfred Camilleri
Jan 13th, 14:50
Local authorities? The Ragusa Council is doing what local councils do; object to everything not initiated by them and exercising their NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) option!
N. Aquilina
Jan 13th, 14:55
Issa dranjna ta Mr. Busuttil, li ma jghidux kollox, bhall ma ghamlu bil 500 ewro zieda li hadu meta lilna tawna il loqom! U jien minghalija li l interconnector lest biex jibda jahdem sena ohra! Mur afdahom dan nies!
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