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Prime Minister answers Muscat on the Budget

Video: Mark Zammit Cordina

Prime Minister Lawrence Gonzi is this evening replying to the comments made by Opposition leader Joseph Muscat on the Budget.

His speech will take about two hours and is being streamed live (above) and reported live (below).

Following the speech, Nationalist MP Franco Debono is expected to explain his vote.  His remarks will be reported separately.

Live coverage: Prime Minister answers Muscat on the Budget

The event has now ended, here is a transcript of the live coverage.
  1. Parliamentary questions have just been concluded. Most MPs are in the Chamber and the Strangers' Gallery is filling up.

    18:30 pmChristopher Scicluna
  2. The Prime Minister is about to start his address.

    18:32 pmChristopher Scicluna
  3. Dr Gonzi says five years since the people chose the PN to lead the government because it had a history of making the right choices. Those who had tried to scare the people that EU membership was detrimental had been proved wrong. The right choices benefited everyone, and the PN had a track record of making the right choices,

    18:34 pmChristopher Scicluna
  4. Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando, Jesmond Mugliett, Franco Debono and Robert Arrigo are among the government MPs not yet in the Chamber.

    18:36 pm
  5. The government had needed to make tough choices in the past five years. Sometimes the people were asked to make sacrifices. What was certain was that five years on, the country was better and stronger than five years ago. The economy was better geared for the future, finances were on a stronger footing, health remained free and there had been considerable progress in both health and education.

    18:36 pmChristopher Scicluna
  6. The people would be asked to make their choices once more in the coming weeks,. It was a crucial choice which could make a major difference to people's lives.

    18:37 pmChristopher Scicluna
  7. The Strangers Gallery is full.

    18:39 pm
  8. Malta had a record of 152,000 gainfully occupied persons, including a record number of women in full and part-time employment. The government had created more than 20,000 jobs - a statistic whose accuracy the government had repeatedly explained.

    18:39 pmChristopher Scicluna
  9. Had 20,000 jobs not been created, unemployment would be far higher than at present.

    18:41 pmChristopher Scicluna
  10. Job creation was the most important record for the Nationalist government. Still, the government would continue to work hard on job creation for as long as there were people who were genuinely looking for work.

    18:42 pmChristopher Scicluna
  11. The most worrying days of the past legislature were in 2008-2009 when some factories were as risk of closing down or downsizing. Those were incredibly difficult days which terrified the workers. But the government came to their aid and its intervention ensured that those factories stayed open and grew

    18:44 pmChristopher Scicluna
  12. (Jesmond Mugliett, Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando and Franco Debono not yet in Chamber.)

    18:44 pm
  13. The past five years had seen substantial investment in education, with Maltese classrooms among the most advanced. At the same time more students in tertiary education started receiving stipends. New opportunities were also created for students who had not been so successful in their studies.

    18:47 pmChristopher Scicluna
  14. In Malta, thousands of young people were celebrating their graduation. That was the fruit of the Maltese people's investment. These young people would mean a better future for Malta. Others, in vocational training, were finding new opportunities in places such as the aviation and pharmaceutical sectors and manufacturing.

    18:50 pmChristopher Scicluna
  15. Over the past five years too, thousands of parents could see how children's allowance had been increased. The parents of young children could see how the number of childcare centres had been increased. These parents had benefited from reduced income tax for those filing a parent's tax return..

    18:52 pmChristopher Scicluna
  16. This government had given parents a real choice in their children's education and Church schools were therefore given millions in subsidies.

    18:53 pmChristopher Scicluna
  17. Mater Dei Hospital was opened five years ago and had brought about major changes in the health sector. Many countries were envious of the health services offered to the Maltese, all free of charge. This government was providing more medicines free of charge, including Herceptin for cancer patients. A new cancer hospital was also being built.

    18:54 pmChristopher Scicluna
  18. Over the past five years, pensioners were, for the first time, allowed to work without losing any of their income. And those aged 80 were receiving an allowance of €300 over and above other benefits.

    18:56 pmChristopher Scicluna
  19. Over the past five years, Malta gained new respect from other countries, having made responsible choices particularly in the earliest phase of the uprising in Libya. Malta declared its position in favour of the rebels in Libya even when the situation for them appeared bleak.

    18:57 pmChristopher Scicluna
  20. The logical conclusion was that in the past five years, this country was changed for the better, despite difficult circumstances. And the Budget showed that change would continue.

    18:58 pmChristopher Scicluna
  21. After tonight, whether or not the Budget was approved, the country would face a general election because this legislature was coming to an end. It would be far better for the country if the election was held when the Budget was approved. This would depend on the vote and he hoped that common sense and the national interest would prevail. Everyone had to shoulder his responsibilities,

    18:59 pmChristopher Scicluna
  22. If the Budget was not approved he would ask the President to dissolve parliament, He would give him a date when to dissolve the House and when elections would be held.

    19:00 pmChristopher Scicluna
  23. The two parties had agreed to enjoy Christmas and the electoral campaign would start on January 7. The Cost of Living Allowance for the private sector would be introduced immediately but other measures depended on approval of the Budget.

    19:01 pmChristopher Scicluna
  24. (Franco Debono just walked into the Chamber and sat on the last bench, the one closest to the Speaker. He is now talking to the Speaker.)

    19:03 pm
  25. This Budget was showing how government finances had been placed on a sound footing, with the deficit now 1.7% of GDP, one of the best in the EU. Subsidies had been discontinued and channelled to the areas where those funds were most needed, such as health, education and the environment.

    19:04 pmChristopher Scicluna
  26. He had also faced instability within the government and the PN, In everything, he put the national interest first. He had done his best to ensure that this country could continue to move forward amid the tempests which brought other countries to their knees. And the country now had the results it could be proud of - a record workforce, strong finances and economic growth.

    19:07 pmChristopher Scicluna
  27. Some decisions being taken by the Leader of the Opposition should be condemned. He was promising everything to everyone without explaining how he would fund them. He was even hiding some things from the people.

    19:08 pm
  28. He had criticised the government on the dockyard privatisation, meaning that he would have retained it, despite the burden equivalent to 30% of the national debt. How could this be acceptable?

    19:09 pm
  29. He had criticised pension reform, even though this assured young people of a sustainable pension. He falsely accused the government of wanting to raise the retirement age. In the past he claimed that health services would be billed. Time had showed how wrong he was.

    19:11 pm
  30. Dr Muscat had criticised the government on Mepa and yet was promising everyone that permits would be issued - as in Lorry Sant's time.
    He criticised the bus reform, but forgot how Malta now had better, cleaner and more accessible buses.

    19:11 pm
  31. Dr Muscat had criticised the government for raising the utility tariffs, yet under the Labour government, when oil prices were just $12 a barrel, Dr Muscat wrote to Dr Sant to congratulate him after tariffs were raised. A case of two weights and two measures, if ever there was one.

    19:13 pm
  32. (Franco Debono looks impatient. He walked past the Prime Minister when returning from the Strangers Gallery.)

    19:13 pm
  33. (As Dr Gonzi spoke on reforms, Dr Debono laughed and nodded.)

    19:14 pm
  34. Instead of populist decisions, Dr Muscat needed to learn from the countries which had not taken the tough decisions and had been brought to their knees. If what Dr Muscat was promising was to be implemented, this country could end up in the same waters as its neighbours.

    19:15 pm
  35. Last week, the EU formally took Malta off the Excessive Deficit Procedure. Dr Muscat said nothing about it because he wanted to give the impression that Malta was in a disastrous state.

    19:16 pm
  36. (PN whip David Agius is speaking to Dr Debono)

    19:17 pm
  37. This lack of sincerity was not the proper way to prepare the people to make the right choice at the coming election.

    19:18 pm
  38. (Some friendly banter with Nationalist MP Frans Agius)

    19:19 pm
  39. Dr Gonzi recalled that five years ago he had warned of storm clouds on the horizon, but the country managed to ride the storm. However, Dr Muscat's promise could destroy the foundations which had been laid for Malta's growth. His promises were undermining the country's credibility. One could not promise matters which would cause many millions because that would mean raising the deficit well above 3%. The inevitable blow would be suffered by Malta's families, workers and students, who would see a deterioration of services, unemployment and new costs.

    19:20 pm
  40. Last Wednesday, Dr Muscat had said the country needed a change of direction. But to what direction? Eight years ago he did not want Malta in the EU. But it was proved wrong and needed to change direction. It would be a major mistake if Malta changed direction now, as Labour wanted.

    19:23 pm
  41. Five years ago Labour did not want Malta to adopt the euro. That was another mistake. Euro adoption meant greater investment and protected Malta from the circumstances suffered by countries such as Iceland.

    19:24 pm
  42. Two years ago Dr Muscat urged the government to do what Cyprus was doing. He had claimed that there was something 'fundamentally wrong' in what the Maltese government was doing. But two years on, using Muscat's yardstick, there was nothing wrong in Malta's economic policies. What was consistently wrong was the choices which Dr Muscat was making. Perhaps Dr Muscat would now explain to the people what was happening in Cyprus?

    19:27 pm
  43. Why didn't Dr Muscat tell the people how taxes were now soaring in Cyprus, as was public borrowing? Unemployment among young people was now 27% and the economy had shrunk by 2.7%. It was bad enough that Dr Muscat was making these mistakes, but he would humiliate the country if he repeated those mistakes in Malta.

    19:32 pm
  44. There were very few countries which could present the sort of Budget which the Maltese government had presented. That was because they had not made the responsible choices in the past. This Budget built on the sacrifices, hard work and achievements of the past five years.

    19:35 pm
  45. The Budget measures were aimed at economic growth, including incentives for SMEs. There were reductions in stamp duty to help home buyers and the construction industry.

    19:37 pm
  46. (Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando and Jesmond Mugliett still not in Chamber.)

    19:37 pm
  47. Over the past five years, the government gave €200 million in tax credits which translated into investment of €500m. The tourism sector had seen four years of records despite SARS, the Icelandic volcano, the Libyan crisis, Air Malta's problems and the financial crisis abroad. Tourist arrivals were up 11% over 2008. Tourists were staying longer, and spending more.

    19:40 pm
  48. Tourist spending had increased by 27% and hotel profitability was up. Yet the Budget was increasing funding for the tourism industry.

    19:42 pm
  49. (St George's Square is totally cordoned off and is accessible just to MPs. A small crowd of people have gathered at a nearby cafe, otherwise, there are no people present.)

    19:42 pm
  50. Dr Gonzi noted that the leader of the opposition had said he would invite him to open the new parliament. He would, Dr Gonzi said, also await invitations to open the new cancer hospital, the flood relief project, the interconnector, the new Mcast campus, the new facilities at the University, the bio-Malta campus, and so much more than was being done by this government.

    19:45 pm
  51. Turning to the income tax measures, Dr Gonzi said the Budget was launching the process for a scaling back of the top rate of income tax from 35% to 25% over three years. This measure, he said, had to be seen in other measures taken by this government over the years which benefited all sectors of the population as well as other targeted specifically to parents, those who used childcare centres, those who employed more persons, those who sent their children to sports events, those who paid for old people's homes, and host families. This government also removed the departure tax, the TV tax, reduced tax for part-timers and tax cuts for women who returned to work. (applause). And still, Dr Gonzi said, the deficit was going down.

    19:49 pm
  52. Dr Muscat was complaining that the tax burden was rising, But it was tax revenue which was actually rising, as the economy grew. Maltese workers remained the less taxed in Europe, even before the tax cuts announced in this Budget. But Dr Muscat should be careful that his promises would not lead to increased taxation, as happened with the 33 taxes introduced by the Labour government.

    19:51 pm
  53. Turning to minimum wage, Dr Gonzi said basic minimum wage was not taxed, but other non statutory income was taxed and always was. But then Dr Muscat did not want to raise the minimum wage. At present, married couples on the minimum wage, as well as parents on the minimum wage, were not taxed. It was only those who filed a 'single' tax return who were charged income tax on their bonus - a total of €67 per year after enjoying an increase of €212 in their income. Dr Muscat was saying such people would not pay income tax under Labour. For the government, all those on a minimum wage should not pay tax. The difference between government and opposition was that the government felt it should hep those on the minimum wage to improve their condition and earn more. But Dr Muscat, in typical socialist manner, decided only to write a cheque. he was being generous with other people's money. The government was offering training to those on the minimum wage and had announced that those on the minimum wage who attended just five hours of training per week to acquire a new skill fr six months would receive an addition €25 per week. Even those earning up to €300 per week could benefit from this scheme.

    19:57 pm
  54. Thus Budget also included higher stipends that would benefit 1,400 students.

    19:59 pm
  55. Families with children would continue to enjoy more benefits. Mothers who returned to work would continue to have one tax-free year. Maternity leave was being extended. Parents would continue to pay less income tax from this year thanks to the parents' computation. Children's allowance was up by €100 on top of another €100 increase last year. Foster parents would also see an increase in their allowance to €70 per week.

    20:01 pm
  56. Turning to education, Dr Gonzi said this legislature was dominated by massive investment in all sectors. In five years Church schools alone received €196m from the government. €212 million went to the University and there were major increases too for Mcast and the ITS. The number of students continuing to study after secondary school had shot up from 43% to 82 per cent .

    20:06 pm
  57. Dr Gonzi said the people should take nothing for granted. A few days ago, MEP Edward Scicluna had said funds could be shifted from one area to another, But he did not say from where the funds would be shifted. He should be clear now, so that the people could make their choices.

    20:08 pm
  58. (Alfred Sant reads a book by Emile Zola while Dr Gonzi refers to him.)

    20:09 pm
  59. Malta now had twice as many learning support assistants as it had five years ago.

    20:09 pm
  60. (Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando and Jesmond Mugliett enter the House together.)

    20:09 pm
  61. (Dr Pullicino Orlando and Mr Mugliett now enter the Chamber together.)

    20:12 pm
  62. The less said by Labour on education, the better. One only needed to remember Labour's broken promise on stipends the last time it was in government, when students were told to borrow.

    20:13 pm
  63. Turning back to health, Dr Gonzi said the government was giving 1,300 different medicines free of charge. Waiting lists were going down thanks to agreements with the private sector for the use of facilities. The breast screening service had saved the life of 150 women and now colorectal screening had been introduced, The Pharmacy of Your Choice scheme was being extended further.

    20:16 pm
  64. In this Budget the government had extended the allowance for the elderly to those aged 78 and over, instead of 80, and this age threshold would go down further in the following year,

    20:17 pm
  65. (Franco Debono speaks to Minister Chris Said.)

    20:18 pm
  66. This government was also raising assistance for persons with disabilities and those who employed them.

    20:19 pm
  67. The government, Dr Gonzi said, was aware of the problems faced by farmers because of rising animal feed prices and was making provision for this in the Budget. Furthermore, the government had announced measures to ease the transfer of land because farmers in the same family.

    20:21 pm
  68. Dr Gonzi also highlighted investment in the environment, which resulted in the cleanest sea water in the Mediterranean.Malta now also had new waste disposal facilities. Many roads had also been rebuilt and a €56m flood relief project was under construction.

    20:23 pm
  69. (PL whip Carmelo Abela is having a long conversation with Mr Mugliett on the PN benches. Mr Abela sat on the seat of Dr Pullicino Orlando, who went to speak to government whip David Agius. He also said hello to Dr Debono.)

    20:24 pm
  70. The prime minister highlighted measures in Gozo to help businesses and employers as well as several infrastructural projects including roads, gardens and restoration of the bastions, The government wanted more jobs for the Gozitans in Gozo and wanted to see further development of the services sector on the sister island. Studies on a possible tunnel between Malta and Gozo would continue to assess viability and technical feasibility. If the studies were positive, the tunnel would be built.

    20:26 pm
  71. (Franco Debono is getting ready to speak. He is going through some papers.)

    20:28 pm
  72. (Dr Debono is now speaking to the Speaker.)

    20:28 pm
  73. (PN deputy leader Simon Busuttil has entered the House.)

    20:29 pm
  74. Concluding, the prime minister thanked the Maltese people for their courage and confidence amid the challenges of the past few years. The people had stayed united while respecting diversity, they had integrated themselves in the EU and made EU membership a success. He was grateful that society was more inclusive, he was grateful to young people who had opted to continue to study and instilled new enthusiasm in the country. He thanked the workers for showing investors how Malta was an attractive investment destination. The future now beckoned. There was nothing which should discourage Malta.

    20:29 pm
  75. (Murmurs in Strangers Gallery get louder as excitement grows ahead of vote.)

    20:29 pm
  76. The tools, the foundations, were in place for Malta to continue to make progress in all sectors including the energy sector where it would be able to offer competitive rates.
    The greatness of any people was measures by its ideas, values and culture. These were what gave him confidence that the people would continue to make responsible choices, Dr Gonzi concluded.

    20:32 pm

 

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Tony Zammit

Dec 11th 2012, 05:09

This reminds me of an Arriva bus

G Caruana

Dec 10th 2012, 21:10

Other wise everything's fine?

Franco Frendo

Dec 10th 2012, 20:51

Ara vera pajjiz immatur dan...kulhadd mohhu fl-interess personali tieghu u mhux fl-interess tal-pajjiz.

Andrew Formosa

Dec 10th 2012, 20:46

The interest of the country comes first.

Silvio Bonello

Dec 10th 2012, 20:55

Exactly - the interest of the country requires that an election is held when there is no majority in government!

victor bonello

Dec 10th 2012, 20:55

speak for yourself, hopefully there are many more intelligent people who want to stay away.

victor bonello

Dec 10th 2012, 20:56

6 billion debt?

victor bonello

Dec 10th 2012, 20:56

yes hopefully soon we shall have one! Dr Joseph Muscat

victor bonello

Dec 10th 2012, 20:58

if my calculations are correct the Auditor has questions as to where 700 million went to!

Geoffrey Spiteri

Dec 10th 2012, 20:41

Great leader which led to great results!!

Denise Fenech

Dec 10th 2012, 20:42

Its about results achieved for the country!

Ms Rudi Mcbeal

Dec 10th 2012, 20:43

Good riddance, Jessica.

Those of us who can see a tiny bit further than the tip of our noses know well that the leadership has nothing to do with it...

Silvio Bonello

Dec 10th 2012, 20:47

This is clear spin by the PN.. as EDDIE FENECH ADAMI said himself today, the opposition voting againsta budget is a parliamentary custom! Of course an opposition has no confidence in the government!

Mark Formosa

Dec 10th 2012, 20:35

a great government which achieved great results!!

Mark Formosa

Dec 10th 2012, 20:35

a great government which achieved great results!!

G Caruana

Dec 10th 2012, 20:54

He only needed to mention what super one tries to hide

Joseph Aquilina

Dec 10th 2012, 20:30

Go complain to Joseph ... He ll promise you he will close them ... After all what the difference with an extra promise above all the other promises already made.

Lorainne Spiteri

Dec 10th 2012, 20:56

Jien nahseb Gonzi ma baqalu l-ebda triq ohra....elezzjoni!

Jo Borg

Dec 10th 2012, 20:30

Min jaf Dante u Petrarca x'jitqallbu fil-qabar bhalissa... Carissima, si dice 'La Verita' Offende'.

Micheal Dalli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:30

GHandek zball nahseb sieheb!!

Micheal Dalli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:28

Ara u icekja sew kemm qedghin issiru operazzjonijiet ta kuljum l isptar sieheb!! Imbghad tkellem!!

Joseph Aquilina

Dec 10th 2012, 20:28

u kien il lejber li prova nehijhom

Matthew Tagliaferro

Dec 10th 2012, 20:25

Come on...don't make it soooo obvious you're fake! I challenge you to declare your ID card number here and NOW!! No one gets an appointment 4 year down the line...

Donna Parnis

Dec 10th 2012, 20:43

by the way did you read the post properly i DID say it COULD TAKE UP TO FOUR YEARS, NOT that I have an appointment for four years.

Jo Borg

Dec 10th 2012, 20:26

Wow, very astute observation. Well done for such a deep thought :)

Victor Calleja

Dec 10th 2012, 20:21

fejn rajthom dawn iz zidiet, il cola biss.

Joseph Aquilina

Dec 10th 2012, 20:22

bilfors li hemm hafna jihdu medicine bxejn xtahseb

Angele Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 20:22

Iva l-ministri ta zmien Mintoff li ghaddewna mill-aghar mumenti tal-istorja taghna.

Angele Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 20:21

Iva ghazliet responsabbli li waslu lil Malta biex tkun t-tieni l-aqwa ekonomija fl-ewropa

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:23

U xi tghidli fuq il lufthansa tech, xi tghidli fuq toroq godda, xi tghidli fuq l 20 elf impjieg gdid, xi tghidli fuq 680 miljun li gejjin mil budget ta eu, xi tghidli fuq tnaqqis ta childrens allowances, xi tghidli fuq tnaqqis ta l incometax, xi tghidli fuq servizzi li saru ghal l anzjani, xi thidli lprogetti li saru favur l ambjent, ma tispicca qatt bit tajjeb li sar mil gvern nazzjonalista!!

Joseph Aquilina

Dec 10th 2012, 20:25

He mentioned so much good generated in these last 5 years and all you can think about is the 500 increment ... An increment wanted by lejber as well ... An increment Joseph-half-truth-Muscat said he would keep and put a board to decide the amount ...

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:18

Shame on you my friend because arriva gave new jobs to unemployed persons!!

Terry Brincat

Dec 10th 2012, 20:19

L-arriva mhux perfetta imma jien (li nuzaha kuljum minn Haz Zabbar) naf li hafna mill-ghajdut li hawn huma biss minfuha mill-Labour Party ghax ghandhom interess li jtellfu, ghax wara kollox ejja nghiduha kif inhi...dak biss jafu jaghmlu!!

John Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:48

So both of you have never waited for a bus for nearly 1 hr and I am speaking about route 91

Angele Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 20:20

le...l-PM kien konsistenti..jekk budget tajjeb...the logical answer would be to vote in favour.

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:24

Il Pm qijed isemmi tajjeb li ghamel u li se jkompli jaghmel sieheb!!

Joseph Aquilina

Dec 10th 2012, 20:27

Joseph is free to do the right or wrong thing ... But that does not change the fact that Joseph was always wrong and never took one correct decision.

Steve Dalli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:22

Min qed jadotta politika ta' scaremongering?

Silvio Bonello

Dec 10th 2012, 20:25

Gonzi jaghzel il-'pozittiv' u jahbi l-verita'... int tafdah??

James Buhagiar

Dec 10th 2012, 20:23

From €40 to €70 per week.

S Holmes

Dec 10th 2012, 20:33

No, Foster parents already receive €70 per week child in care allowance, and have done so for the last 2/3 years

S Holmes

Dec 10th 2012, 20:45

No, Foster parents already receive €70 per week child in care allowance, and have done so for the last 2/3 years

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:17

L gambetta se johoda xi hadt bhalek jekk tivota lil labour!! Ghax il labour stess jghatik il gambetta b xi xebba taxxi godda sieheb!!

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:15

U l partit socjalista x vizjoni u pjanijiet ghandu?? Ghax jiena ghadni nistenih li muscat jghidilna x se jaghmel??

Alessandra Galea

Dec 10th 2012, 20:08

U s-sitwazzjoni ekonomika xorta baqghet tajba...Gvern li salva lil Malta minn recessjoni.

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:16

Gonzi mhux tellef sena lil malta imma hadem biex ikompli jsahah l ekonomija ta malta u tal maltin sieheb!!

Alessandra Galea

Dec 10th 2012, 20:07

the government with the best economic results...get your facts right!!

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:10

U inti tahseb li muscat ma ghandux il klikka tieghu jew!! Ejja nkunu serji sieheb!! U naraw tajjeb li ghamel il gvern nazzjonalista!!

G Caruana

Dec 10th 2012, 20:10

Malta will be bankrupt within 2 yrs of PL...enjoy

Gordon Muscat

Dec 10th 2012, 20:05

dan kien iz-zmien li setghtet ssir..wara li evitajtna il-problemi kollha tal-krizi internazzjonali.

WILLIAM BORG

Dec 10th 2012, 20:04

kemm int populista jessica....sa fejn naf jien qatt ma rajt prim ministru jithallas bil-minumum wage...igiiferi tippruvaw tghaffigha

Carlo Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 20:13

Ahseb wara 680 miljun euro mil ewropa mela! X differenza!!

Kimberly De Bono

Dec 10th 2012, 20:02

But then why promise to keep the same identical budget?

Gordon Muscat

Dec 10th 2012, 20:04

If it says that it is in favour of the measures...it is acting irresponsibly if it votes against the budget.

Mr Joe Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 20:02

Tighd forsi ghax ma ghamilniex bhal Cipru?

Gordon Muscat

Dec 10th 2012, 20:03

s-sitwazzjoni tjiebet...hares daqxejn lejn il-pajjiz l-ohra.

Grace Bonnici

Dec 10th 2012, 20:30

Kif qed juza flus haddiehor Sur Mallia? Statements bla l-ebda bazi!

Mr Joe Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 20:01

Austere? where, when how?

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:03

Nahseb kieku saru budgets ta awsterita ilna li dhalna gol hajt sieheb!!

Nicholas Sciberras

Dec 10th 2012, 20:17

@ Joe Micallef....

You did not depend on a 700 eur job with the hiking of utility bills

Mr Joe Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 20:25

Scibberas what ya talkin about. With a 700 Euro job your utility bills are totally subsidised.

Lawrence Frendo

Dec 10th 2012, 20:01

Stenna ftit u ara x ha jigri fil-PL meta jkunu fil-gvern...ha jkun hemm inkwiet kbir..ghax Muscat ma jistax jaghti kollox lil kulhadd

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:04

Mela insejt iz zmien ta alfred sant sieheb!

Lawrence Frendo

Dec 10th 2012, 20:00

That failed system which has put us as the second best economy in Europe...get your facts right!!

WILLIAM BORG

Dec 10th 2012, 19:58

So what are you believing exactly?? I really can't stand people who are simply armchair critics...

Lawrence Frendo

Dec 10th 2012, 19:59

I believe the statements issued by the IMF and the Ecofin which all confirm that GonziPn is to be trusted.

Jessica Attard

Dec 10th 2012, 20:02

Well said!

Lawrence Frendo

Dec 10th 2012, 19:58

nahseb hadt zball..l-aghar ghazla ghal pajjiz...ghax twassalna ghal bailout.

Geraldine Fenech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:58

Bhala zghazugha ilni li fhimt li l-politika ta' Joseph Muscat hija l-ghazla li ddahhal lil Malta f'hajt!

Mr Joe Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 19:59

Spjegalna ftit x'hini din il politika! Nispera li mhux bhal ta Cipru jew tac-cikkulata fil mediterran

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:06

L aktar jekk inti xi studenta u jnaqaslek l istipendju jew inehijulek! Jew xi mara li hekk ikollok familja tieghek se jkollok aktar maternity leave!! Taht gvern nazzjonalista il mara kellha aktar drittijiet Fuq il post tax xoghol l aktar!! Nahseb muscat qattek mir realta!!

Geraldine Fenech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:57

Naturalment first step jivvota kontra l-budget u jhalli lil pajjizna bla budget ghal tlett xhur!

Lawrence Frendo

Dec 10th 2012, 19:58

wieghda rresponsabbli li zgur ma tigiex accettata mill-EU

Joseph Zarb

Dec 10th 2012, 19:58

Dak huwa precizament certifkikat posittiv ghal-Politika Ekonomika ta' dan il-Gvern!

WILLIAM BORG

Dec 10th 2012, 19:57

Jien ma nsejthiex ta' imma...ghax ghadni nbaghti l-konsegwenzi sal-gurnata mqaddsa tal-lum!! kont kwazi ghalaqt il-hanut

Lawrence Frendo

Dec 10th 2012, 19:57

he has worked in the interest of the nation and not of a single person

Steve Dalli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:20

Billi berbaq flus il-poplu f'power station li mimlija problemi u Arriva li SUPPOST kellha tnaqqas it-traffiku mit-toroq?

WILLIAM BORG

Dec 10th 2012, 19:55

ma nesihiex sinjura...issa qed isemmiha!

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:58

Imma childrens allowances zieda! U naqqas xi haga imma fit tajjeb bhal income tax!

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:00

U joseph muscat qallek x zieda se jaghtik?? Ghax s issa jikritka qijed biss. U ma qal xejn x se jaghmel??

C Busuttil

Dec 10th 2012, 19:55

U n-nazzjonalisti jistaw jaghmlu mea culpa ta' dan, ghax l-ahhar erba snin kienu tassew fost l-aghar fl-istorja glorjuza ta' dan il-partit. Partit f'idejn klikka li jaqsmu kollox bejn il-hbieb tal-hbieb.

Tridu aktar minn elf Simon biex tikkonvingu nazzjonalisti bhali nohorgu nivvutaw, gvern labour zgur mhux ha jkun aghar minn dan l-anqas kieku jrid

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:46

Mela insejt iz zmien li kien hemm alfred sant fil gvern ta 1996!

Stefano Spiteri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:47

judge the economic figures of the country and not the trivial internal cracks which are also present in the PL

Francesca Sapiano

Dec 10th 2012, 19:48

Evarist Bartolo "Aktar ma jinbidlu l-affarijiet aktar jibqghu l-istess"
Jason Micallef....mhux ha jkun kandidat....mbghad f'daqqa tfacca bhala kandidat
Adrian Vassallo u l-hniezer liberali.....get the pattern?

Jesmond Mizzi

Dec 10th 2012, 19:53

The fact is Mr Bartolo that despite internal difficulties the PN in Government can boast of excellent results for our economy. The voters out there won't decide on internal squabbles, but on who got the best results for our Country.

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:47

Franco Debono tilef il principji sodi u kardinali tal partit nazzjonalista u l partit laburista qedghin juzawh biss biex jirbhu l voti!

Stefano Spiteri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:47

anki l-PL ghandu l-problemi interni...iggudika l-progress li ghamel il-pajjiz u mhux fuq il-problemi interni.

George Sant

Dec 10th 2012, 19:43

This is the end of the good days in Malta...let's all prepare for the PL dark ages.

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:48

Illejla min se jivvota kontra l budget se jkun tefa l manara fuq hafna familji maltin sieheb!

Joseph Aquilina

Dec 10th 2012, 19:49

Joseph is to blame because first he said it is a good budget and then he votes against the budget because he cares more about power rather then the good of our country. With FACTS there is only one alternative for PN ... PN.

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:42

nahseb iktar inti 'cut off from reality' - Gonzi qed jikkwota statistika u dik ma jmeriha hadd, pero ma nistennix li se tinftiehem minn nies li ghalihom il-partnership rebah!

George Sant

Dec 10th 2012, 19:43

Realty is what is being stated by the PM and not what is being proposed by JM!

Francesca Sapiano

Dec 10th 2012, 19:44

Because its much more in touch to simply say nothing Joseph Muscat style.....

Patrick Bugeja

Dec 10th 2012, 19:45

LABOUR ELVES ALERT!!

Joseph Aquilina

Dec 10th 2012, 19:46

facts show lejber is cut off from reality ... They never got one right ... Always wrong ... Always taking the worst ever decisions ... THESE ARE FACTS

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:49

Tal labour maqtuwa mir realta ghax muscat ma ghandux l ebda visjoni ta xejn!

George Sant

Dec 10th 2012, 19:42

'Diskors li juri kemm pajjizna mexa l-quddiem...hares lejn il-pajjiz l-ohra tal-ewropa....u malajri tkun taf fejn huma l-problemi.

Paul Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:43

Ahseb wara meta tisma lil muscat dak maqtuh mir realta zgur! Ghax ma ghandux visjoni u pjanijiet fix xejn!

Francesca Sapiano

Dec 10th 2012, 19:45

U kif ezatt tkun realistiku? Billi bhal Labour tinheba wara slogans u retorika?

George Sant

Dec 10th 2012, 19:41

if you speak in favour of the budget and then vote against it..then you are an irresponsible person

Steve Dalli

Dec 10th 2012, 20:18

@George Sant ma tafx li vot fuq budget huwa vote of confidence?

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:40

il-problema hi li bidla mhux bilfors ghall-ahjar!!

George Sant

Dec 10th 2012, 19:40

Gvern Laburista..gvern irresponsabbli u bla pjanijiet.

L Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 19:49

......ghax il-PL irid jinbidel kollu, iva, minn fuq s'isfel. Iva minn fuq, wara t-tkaxxkira li qed jaqla Muscat minn Gonzi. Ghalhekk Toni Abela ma marx f'Dissett u ma nafx x'se jaghmel Anglu Farrugia.

Keith Saliba

Dec 10th 2012, 19:43

By the same line of argument, I guess you watch a lot of Net news ?!

Paul Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:41

Il prim ministru ma ghamilx elezzjoni bikrija bhalma qijed tghidt inti ghax haseb ghal malta u l maltin bhalek l ewwel!

Abigail Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 19:40

Taf min qal li minghajr l-Inglizi Malta ma timxix? Il-Partit Laburista ta' Dom Mintoff li ried l-integration. Taf min qalilna li bl-UE ser nmorru l-bahar...il-Partit Laburista ta' KMB/Sant [bl-ghajnuna ta' Muscat]. Jekk hawn partit godard f'Malta li spiss kien fuq ir-wrong lane dan kien il-Partit Laburista!

Abigail Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 19:38

U wasal iz-zmien tal-politika tal-bah tal-MLP tghid int hux?

Abigail Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 19:39

Taf x'inhuwa aktar antik? Li jkollok grupp parlamentari b'xi 13/14 il-membru li kienu MP's fi zmien Mintoff u KMB!

Paul Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:40

U li jgib xi 680 miljun euro mil budget ta l ewropa dawk ma tafx bijom sieheb!

George Sant

Dec 10th 2012, 19:40

Pajjizna evita l-krizi ekonomika...dik hi t-trademark kbira ta GonziPN!

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:46

pajjizna ghaddha minn krizi internazzjonali u irnexxielna nohorgu minnha b'rasna mghollija u nkomplu ninvestu u nkabbru l-ekonomija; barra minn hekk investa f'numru kbir ta' progetti li jgawdi minnhom kulhadd!

Abigail Micallef

Dec 10th 2012, 19:37

And how would that have benefitted the country?

Tony Mifsud

Dec 10th 2012, 19:38

d-decizjoni ta Gonzi kienet decizjoni tajba ghax pajjizna ma setax jghaddi minn elezzjoni fl-gheqqel tal-krizi ekonomika...Prim Ministru responsabbli li tefa l-interess tal-pajjiz l-ewwel u qabel kollox.

Paul Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:38

Diga irispondejt lil haddiehor u nirispondi lilek wkoll fuq din il kwistjoni. Il Prim ministru huwa politiku li l lewwel jara lil pajjizu u lil maltin l ewwel!! Ghalhekk ma habarx elezzjoni xi sena ilu!!

Patrick Bugeja

Dec 10th 2012, 19:39

Sa fejn naf jien, ma rajt lil hadd jittallab barra ghax ilu xi 3 snin jirregistra....jew lil xi hadd jipprotesta ghax ma jaffordjax imur l-iskola...jew hadd marid f'nofs ta' triq ghax ma jaffordjax l-isptar!! Ara vera min imaqdar irid jixtri ta!! Sur Pace- ammetti li ahna ghandna genna zghira. Kull ma trid taghmel huwa tghix ftit barra minn MAlta bhal ma naghmel jien! Il-bqija...paroli!

L Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 19:39

Muscat ma ghamilx WAHDA tajba.

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:52

Scare tactics tal labour juzawom zgur ghax hlief jikritikaw fil hazin ma jafux!

Peter Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:54

Malta saret role model bhala l aqwa ekonomija tal ewropa sieheb!

Edward Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 21:02

Kemm nixtieq Onsetament!!!!

Role Model fit-Trasport pubbliku? Role Model ta' kif titmexxa l-ghola istituzzjoni tal-Pajjiz, Role Model fil-Generazzjoni ta' l-elettriku, b'power station li jew thammeg jew wisq aghar ma' tahdimx, role model ta' kif jigu mmanigjati l'Over runs fil-progetti, from 1M to 29M... Jien nahseb li qed nghixu f'pajjiz differenti habib.

Charles Friggieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:29

Ara l-pajjizi l-ohra li qed jitolbu bail out qabel ma tiftah halqek.

Paul Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:34

Kieku l gvern nazzjonalista gab lil malta f dejn kbir kieku ma jsirx budget li fih vizjoni ghal uliedna u ghal pajjizna! U ma tarax il maltin johorgu fit toroq jiprotestaw bhalma ghamlu fil grecja portugall u spanja!!

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:39

dejn sar pero il flus intefqu fuq progetti biex igawdi minnhom kulhadd inkluzi jien, inti u kulhadd - bil kontra ta kif kien jigri fi zmien il labour fejn il flus kienu jintefqu ghal laburisti biss!!

Apparti li d-deficit qed JONQOS minn sena ghal sena ghax kellna budget responsabbli; budget li ghalkemm muscat jaqbel mieghu se jivvota kontra! biex tara kemm hu kontradittorju!

Priscilla Formosa

Dec 10th 2012, 19:24

Gvern li kompla miexi l quddiem minkejja c-cirkostanzi....dik hi l-verita.

Emma Cachia

Dec 10th 2012, 19:27

As opposed to Joseph Muscat's mass meeting speech in parliament?

Jurgen Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:27

Huwa diskors li juri bic car x ghamel il gvern nazzjonalista ghal pajjizna u ghal uliedna sieheb!

John Zammit

Dec 10th 2012, 19:43

When children allowance was introduced. I believe back in the 70s

Jesmond Mizzi

Dec 10th 2012, 19:23

What do you mean Mr Galea?

Marco Galea

Dec 10th 2012, 19:21

The budget was voted against in March! He should have dealt with that and not hang with power's final thread!

R Axisa

Dec 10th 2012, 19:19

Jekk il-vot tal-budget ma jghaddix, zgur li mhux sa jkun tort tal-PL, imma minhabba li l-PN tilef il-maggoranza tieghu stess fil-parlament.

David Farrugia

Dec 10th 2012, 19:45

semmi budget tal-labour fejn fih ivvota l-PN favur u naraw. Il-poplu ma jfdahx lil GonziPN...u lanqas il budget tieghu.

Illum hu pacenzja...Judgement day.

V Azzopardi

Dec 10th 2012, 19:34

... inkella ma jilhaqx it tir tieghu li jsir lizghar Prim Ministru

Lucienne Spiteri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:10

haha mela Joseph bravu ...riedna naghmlu bhal Cipru u ried it-tarzna tibqa' tiehu minn butna!

Jeffrey Muscat

Dec 10th 2012, 19:12

it shows you're a labour elf! who the hell said that the election is 3 months away? HEmm mohhkom...biex tbassru! li kien ghalikom, kellna xi 10 elezzjonijiet s'issa fl-ahhar 12-il xahar!!

Paul Scriha

Dec 10th 2012, 19:12

Gonzi brought stability to this country....PL is bringing and going to bring more instability!

Marcella Camilleri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:13

Il-business tieghek qed jitfaw lura il-Malta Labour Party u l-incertezza li jizra. Tara One News tahseb li wasalna f'xifer l-irdum!!!

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:18

how is it that because of him we'll have 3 more months of instability? if the pl votes against this budget THEY would create instability cause every measure mentioned in this budget will be frozen and hence nothing will be implemented. then if your pl will be elected they will choose the same measures - thus if your business is going down the drain now, it will proceed along those lines!

Jurgen Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:22

Ghax il prim ministru ghandu fiducja kbira fil pajjiz u fil poplu malti ghalhekk ma ghamilx l elezzjoni qabel!

Marlon Camilleri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:14

Inti ma tarahx television fejn f pajjizi ewropej bhal spanja franza portugall u grecja qedghin jaghmlu budgets ta awsterita u l partit nazzjonalista ghamel budget ghalik u ghal kulhadd li jghati fiducja u direzzjoni lejn l ekonomija ta malta u jkattar futur fos sod ghal uliedna jew uliedek!

C. Sammut

Dec 10th 2012, 19:08

Hemm minn se jserrah mohhu u hemm min se jibda jinkwieta!

Jurgen Dimech

Dec 10th 2012, 19:19

Intkom tal partit socjalista tikritikaw biss fil hazin! Intkom partit li flok tibnu imma tkissru biss tafu! Min dejjem l partit laburista kien partit li kien biss ghatxan ghal poter u l poplu malti ma jesistix ghalikom!

Francesca Borg

Dec 10th 2012, 19:04

Mhux ghax hu bagit tajjeb. Imma jrid jimplimentah biex ikollna stabilta f'pajjizna. L-istess stabilta li qiegehd jimmina Lawrence Gonzi ghax baqa ghaddej b'dan il-bagit.

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 18:59

in other countries people pay taxes and pay for their healthcare as well...... they even pay for garbage collection....

Rachel Bugeja

Dec 10th 2012, 18:59

Your beloved Edward Scicluna would have us pay for the health service whilst still paying the aforementioned taxes....beat that!

Matthew Abela

Dec 10th 2012, 18:59

Ghandek fost l aqwa servizzi tas sahha sieheb!

Ann Cassar

Dec 10th 2012, 19:01

Taxes are paid almost in every country on Earth...inversly most countries do not provide free health care!

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:00

the best part is that he'll keep the same budget if elected.... ara kemm ikompli jikkonferma li budget tajjeb!

Dario Vella

Dec 10th 2012, 19:25

As Edward Fenech Adami himself said earlier today, the opposition voting against the Budget is a parliamentary custom - a budget vote is a confidence vote, of course the opposition has no confidence in the government! This is ridiculous.

Amanda Sant

Dec 10th 2012, 18:56

yet much better than everyone else. Our economy is growing...and we do not need any bailouts!!

Rachel Bugeja

Dec 10th 2012, 18:57

Do you even bother to switch your TV from One TV onto Sky News, CNN, BBC and Euronews? Are you even aware that whilst we're complaining about a bus being ten minutes late in countries like Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy the average person isn't even manging to cope till the end of the month.

Bernard Farrugia

Dec 10th 2012, 18:58

Are you serious?! You should be stating that if there were people in our roads protesting and fighting because they lost their jobs!!! Ara vera l-baqra milli jkollha ttik ta...

You can criticize Gonzi on several points, but you cannot challenge his economic and financial credentials!!

Ms Rudi Mcbeal

Dec 10th 2012, 19:01

Issa la jitla l-PL icemplulek malajr. Ikolli nghid l-ghada stess ikollok l-appuntament.

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 19:07

nahseb mal pl mhux se jkun hemm waiting lists...... as if!

Miriam Dalmas

Dec 10th 2012, 18:55

Il-Labour dak li jiehu gost bih...id-deni ta' haddiehor! Tinkwetax...igri jigi Marzu halli nitfghukom f'postkom = fl-Oppozizzjoni!!

Rachel Bugeja

Dec 10th 2012, 18:59

So tell me my friend...how come we don't have the massive unemployment seen across the EU?

C. Sammut

Dec 10th 2012, 18:52

agreed... too many people have suffered. The Prime Minister seems to believe all that he is fed. The majority of the people know different...

Ann Cassar

Dec 10th 2012, 19:02

If the figures are false why is Muscat promising to keep the same budget log, stock and barrel?

JOSEPH VELLA

Dec 10th 2012, 18:50

have you been abroad for the last twenty years?

S. Cuschieri

Dec 10th 2012, 18:57

i think that you're living on another island or even planet.... austerity measures? do austerity measures include stipends? an increase in children's allowance (last year's increase)? revision of tax bands? more investment in free healthcare? full pensions to people who still want to work? these are only some of the so called 'austerity measures'.... if this is so then I want austerity all the way

Matthew Abela

Dec 10th 2012, 18:58

U li jmur u jgib mas 680 miljun euro mil budget ta l unjoni ewropeja. Dawk inti ma tarahomx sieheb!

Mark Portelli

Dec 10th 2012, 19:02

austerity ? Int bis-serjeta? You should go live in Spain, Italy or Greece.

Paul Brincat

Dec 10th 2012, 18:49

Irid verament ikollok interess personali biex tmur kontra dan l-Bagit! Dan huwa Bagit responsabbli!

Miriam Dalmas

Dec 10th 2012, 18:51

Apart from having no clear direction, the Labour Party was not pushing for it because of its opportunism. Having a Franco Debono in either one of the parties is a disgrace, and from a floater like myself, I wouldn't like my taxes to pay people like Franco Debono. At last, today he will just be an irrelevant person!

Ann Cassar

Dec 10th 2012, 19:07

Not pushing for it? Ahh I guess that explains the motions against Austin Gatt, Carm Mifsud Bonnici, Richard Cachia Caruana....

M Mallia

Dec 10th 2012, 19:09

Il-budget huwa biss pjan. Dak li twettaq huwa mportanti!I In-nies ghandhom jibbazaw id-decizjoni taghhom fuq kemm zdied id-deficit taht dan il gverm, fuq ir riforma tat-trasport pubbliku fuq il-BWSC u fuq agir bhal dak tal president tal-partit Nazzjonalista fuq dak il-flyer.Il-labour party ma tantx qieghed f'pozizzjoni ahjar imma talanqas hemm cans zghir li forsi jinbidlu ftit l-affarijiet.

M Mallia

Dec 10th 2012, 19:27

Ms.Cassar. I said that the MLP did not push for it as much as one would expect. And all those motions had a sound basis: Gatt and his reform(as a former daily user of the public transport up until a month ago; a complete failure. Yes. complete). Regarding Carm Mifsud Bonnici, whom I respect as a man and politician(unlike the former guy), the government itself took action after his dismissal.

M Mallia

Dec 10th 2012, 19:10

dawk qieghdin, jew kienu, f'koalizzjoni. MLP qieghed fl-oppozizzjoni. sitwazzjoni differenti hafna.

Paul Brincat

Dec 10th 2012, 18:46

Its not a formula... il-Prim Ministru jitkellem fuq fatti! Iva 20,000 post tax-xoghol gdid!

Matthew Abela

Dec 10th 2012, 18:56

Il vot li se jiehdu l partit laburista huwa vot kontra l ekonomija ta malta u kontra tkattir ghal futur sod ghal uliedna!

M Mallia

Dec 10th 2012, 18:44

Meta bniedem jirtira u xi hadd johodlu postu..dak mhuwiex job gdid.

Paul Brincat

Dec 10th 2012, 18:44

Kif tista tivvota kontra? Meta rajt skemi illi gabuni fl-istat ta success li ahna fih llum? Kif nista ma navdax Gvern illi irnexxilu johloq 20,000 post tax-xoghol? Gvern li jaf x'inhu jaghmel, u j'Alla mhux biss jigi approvat l-Bagit llejla, izda l-poplu jaghzlu biex imexxi l-pajjizna ghal 5 snin ohra!

Francesca Borg

Dec 10th 2012, 19:03

@Alexandra I tend not to agree with you. I voted PN all my life, but I cannot trust this party any longer as long as Dr. Gonzi is leader. Its useless giving us Simon Busuttil or others like him. PN's problems need a long time to heal. It should also be ashamed for denying so many people their civil rights. Shame on Dr. Gonzi!

Matthew Gatt

Dec 10th 2012, 18:38

The vote against this budget was given last march when Franco promised he would have voted against.

Francesca Borg

Dec 10th 2012, 18:59

It was very clear that government should have not have gone through with this budget. It is PN that has lost points this year, one action after an other. Pity.

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