MEPs list the pledges they want from Tonio Borg
The political groups repġresented in the hearing of Foreign Minister Tonio Borg have written to the president of the European Parliament listing seven points which they would like Dr Borg to sign to.
In his letter, the chairman of the hearing, Matthias Groote, said "The coordinators of two political groups representing a majority of the members of the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and food Safety expressed their support for the nomination of Mr Borg as European Commissioner for Health and Consumer Policy. The coordinators on the Internal market and Consumer Protection gave a favourable opinion to the appointment of Mr Borg; no objections against the appointment of Mr Borg were voiced by any of the group representatives of the Committee on Agriculture and Rural Development.
“For Mr Borg to be endorsed by a majority of the House, it is vital that the Commissioner Designate deliver in respect to the following issues and concerns and reaffirm publicly, prior to the final vote in Parliament, his unambiguous an full commitment to:
- The delivery of the legislative proposal on tobacco products by January 2013
- The adoption of legislative proposals on animal cloning and novel food by mid-2013
- The full respect of the March 2013 deadline for the ban on animal testing for cosmetics
- Better enforcement of EU law in particular on animal transport
- Fuly respect and abide by the EU charter of fundamental human rights in particular of Articla 21 thereof as well as the EU anti-discrimination legislation and case law
- Recognising the innate dignity of all Citizens of the EU, regardless of their sexual orientation or distinctions mentioned in Article 21, and to treating as a Commissioner of Health and Consumer Policy and as a member of the College of Commissioners, all citizens of the EU fairly and equally; actively working to address health inequalities and to acting against the stigmatisation of people suffering from HIV/AIDS
- Actively support EU policies with regards to women’s rights.
“There are substantiated reasons to believe that, if the above pledges are made, a constructive co-operation between the European Parliament and the Commissioner Designate could ensue and that Mr Borg would eventually be able to demonstrate by his actions that the reservations held against him were groundless.”
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Joe Xuereb
Nov 19th 2012, 13:56
If I instinctively vote for X but find myself in a quandary because X does not support gay rights, where does this leave me in his regard, and he in mine? X can cherish his beliefs all he likes but in private. If he wants my vote he needs to think secular. Religion won't be dead for a long time yet but it has no place in civic governance. Not in 2012. Abdication of duty is unacceptable.
Joe Xuereb
Nov 19th 2012, 13:52
Personally, I feel people suffering from conflicts of interest would do better to steer clear of political careers. Sticking to millennial diktats Malta often seems 'not serious' to policy makers abroad. This can often be viewed as punitive but I wonder. When maybe they just want Malta to come in from the cold and join the real world. Using emotive language like killing babies?! Not on!
Joe Xuereb
Nov 19th 2012, 13:42
If I instinctively vote for X but find myself in a quandary because X does not support gay rights, where does this leave me in his regard, and he in mine? X can cherish his beliefs all he likes but in private. If he wants my vote he needs to think secular. Religion won't be dead for a long time yet but it has no place in civic governance. Not in 2012. Abdication of duty is unacceptable.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 18th 2012, 08:35
The unusual demand for Dr Borg to sign a document that repeats the verbal assurances that he had already given openly is an insult to all Maltese. It would imply that in the greens' bigoted view his gentlemanly word is not accepted as his bond. The greens are only trying to divert attention from the trouncing Dr Borg gave them in full view of a TV audience and acclaimed by friend and foe alike
Francis Attard
Nov 18th 2012, 07:31
In my opinion,at the end of the day in politics personal ambitions prevail over principles.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 20:32
Malta kollha qieghda tigi nsultata mill-hodor bil-moss stupida li jitolbu lil Dr T Borg li jiffirma assigurazzjoni li diga ta bil-fomm fil-pubbliku b’mod u manjiera li kines l-art bil-kelliema hodor li ppruvaw jonsbuh. Jekk ma jiffirmax jigi mixli vilment li ma kienx bi hsiebu jzomm kelmtu. Imissu jobzqilohm fis-sunnara u jiffirma minghajr ma jahsibha darbtejn.
Eddy Privitera
Nov 17th 2012, 18:17
Hawn xi hadd li jiddubita li fl-UE il-Maltin qed jigu stmati bhal " Makku" , b'dan il-mod kif Dr.Tonio Borg qed jigi mgieghel jiffirma dokument li qabel ebda Kummissarju ma kien gie mitlub jiffirma ? Wisq nibza li se jiffirma.
Chris Gatt
Nov 17th 2012, 14:25
@Andy Farrugia and all those spitting nails and CAPS all over the place, perhaps you would like to add this story to your women's rights discussion. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/14/world/europe/ireland-abortion-controversy/index.html
I suspect that Savita would love to join the debate. No. Wait. she can't. She's dead.
PS how nice to see so many men discussing women's rights. Touching!
Andy Farrugia
Nov 19th 2012, 19:05
@ Chris Gatt
Unlike you, abortion lobby groups and their associates within the media, I will patiently await the official inquest into the causes of Savita's tragic death. As for your offensive and insulting categorisation of me as "spitting nails", I am not in the least surprised......it just shows the kind of people our authorities employ within the cultural sphere at St James'. Shame!
Patrick Zammit
Nov 17th 2012, 09:03
For those obstinate posters who insist that the world "women's rights" (the last pledge) does not include unhindered access to safe and legal abortion, they should consult the whole text of the letter + attachments sent to Mr Schulz where all the points are dealt in detail.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201211/20121115ATT55650/20121115ATT55650EN.pdf
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 11:01
@PatrickZammit.
Abortion is one of the problems that the European Union has placed outside the jurisdiction of the European Commission and of the European Parliament having assigned it to the domain of the legislatures of the individual member states. Some members of the European Parliament should not try to interfere beyond their remit by subterfuge. End of argument.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 17th 2012, 12:14
Dr Saliba
EU treaties, laws etc have changed in the past, so just because we have the situation you mentioned in the EU regarding abortion does not mean that a future commissioner cannot propose laws to the contrary. That is why certain groups are opposing T Borg's nomination. His record on certain issues are not encouraging in that respect.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 17:32
@PatrickZammit.
Please descend out of your orbit of idle speculation about what may happen in the future and come down to earth at the bginning of the third millenium. It is difficult enough for you to deal with facts that stare you in the face without getting lost in day-dreaming about the future.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 08:37
Those demanding signed confirmation of assurances Dr Tonio Borg gave viva voce and publicly to these same MEPs, is a deliberate insult to all Maltese. This is particularly disgusting when, during the session itself, at least twice, the moderator remonstrated that the question put was not admissible, because it related to subsidiarity matters, but anyway he would allow Dr Borg to answer.
Mr Michel Camilleri
Nov 17th 2012, 01:57
Is this a new precedent? Will future designate commissioners liberal or not in their personal views, be grilled in the same manner and be asked to commit in writing? What goes round will come round.
Joe Xuereb
Nov 17th 2012, 00:28
Being for/against something IN principle leaves one space for manoeuvring. Being dogmatic only serves to create bottlenecks. Malta is big on dogmatic hence dog eat dog situations that are never even remotely negotiable.
I get the feeling commenters here think that 'liberal' and 'libertine' are interchangeable. They aren't.
Human rights denied can/do come full circle. Me today, you tomorrow.
David Garragher
Nov 17th 2012, 00:17
Has someone turned back the clock? Reading these comments I am chocked how backwards Malta still is. 2nd last in the world to legalize divorce? We really are a modern country! These "liberal" values" have given these "antichristians" the happiest people on earth (Malta nr 101) and seemingly most prosperous(leaving malta far behind). Welcome to 2012 Malta. Dr Borg belongs to an extinct species
Joseph Grech Attard
Nov 17th 2012, 00:06
Once again, Malta has lost its neutrality and independence and is being bullied by the big 'brothers' or 'sisters!' This is the result of EU full membership! Will someone in Europe give, once again, our PM the title of 'European of the Year,' as it did to our ex-PM and self crowned president EFA? He should send the trophy back as a protest!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 11:12
Because of its size and insignificant clout Malta can never hope to escape bullying except by forging an alliance with bigger nations chosen by us. The choice of protecting powers by the Mintoff was dismal beyond compare and it resulted in a slavish dependence on such dictators as Gaddafi. That was when our "neutrality" and "independence" were actually thrown away by an MLP prime minister.
Eddy Privitera
Nov 17th 2012, 18:10
Francis Saliba. When Gaddafi tried to bully MALTA by sending gunboats to where malta was drilling for oil, the PN opposition had sided with Libya ! Or have you forgotten that ?!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 20:03
@EddiePrivitera
I have not forgotten anything. Those things exist only in your wild imagination. The Saipem incident only confirms the degradation to which Malta was dragged by Mintoff's wrong choice of "protectors" for Malta.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 18th 2012, 06:39
@EddiePrivitera
Gaddafi not only "tried" to bully Malta but he actually succeeded to the extent of humiliating all of us deeply by forcing Mintoff to advise Saipem to seek the protection of the USA fleet! Mintoff isolated himself from all Maltese with any trace of national pride left in them
anthony brincat
Nov 17th 2012, 00:02
dr borg is going to sign those seven points the hot oneis womans right askingit include abortion if it is yes tellthem go to hell no for abortion
anthony brincat
Nov 16th 2012, 23:53
dr borg is going to sign those seven points the hot oneis womans right askingit include abortion if it is yes tellthem go to hell no for abortion
M Magro
Nov 16th 2012, 22:21
A case of undue influence.
MEP groupings defending the interests of minorities then exercising undue influence on fellow European politicians like Dr. Borg.
Paul Caruana
Nov 16th 2012, 21:06
This is awkward if not outright humiliating! Even considering the exceptional circumstances which have led to Mr Borg's nomination, the Maltese government should in principle not accept any form of discriminatory treatment towards his nominee by the EP.
anthony brincat
Nov 16th 2012, 20:32
this is europe you we vote for it shame everybody laugh at us
Joe Xuereb
Nov 16th 2012, 20:26
Never mind the EU, etc. Europeans may/may not agree with abortion, gayness, etc.
But either way, they are not fanatic about religion and festi as ONLY IN MALTA.
A few days ago an Indian woman died, in Ireland, because she was told by her doctor that abortion in Ireland is not legal. Being in favour/against anything ON principle can be come to haunt. IN principle is liberally fairer/better.
John Spiteri Jones
Nov 16th 2012, 20:07
I have no doubts the Dr Borg will stand firm in his believes.
cesco di luigi
Nov 16th 2012, 20:04
I did not vote for Europe; Borg is far too conservative and like many in the PN did not understand what EU is all about, HOWEVER, I find this process humiliating and I think Borg should not sign anything and all Malta should back him and show our disdain to these dictators. Signing of declarations are made by defeated parties after wars and not by policiticans in democratic institutions.
Toni Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 21:21
If you did not vote for or against Europe then you have no right to suggest to anyone whether to sign or not to sign!
Joseph Vassallo, (Bugibba)
Nov 17th 2012, 08:30
@ Toni Borg: You said, "...you have no right to suggest to anyone...".
Why on earth not? He is in EU just as much as we are and decisions effect him in exactly the same way. I wanted Malta to join the EU for the sake of having some sort of control on local authoritarianism, but did we get that? So now you tell me I have no right to an opinion? I think you are mistaken.
Kurt Waschnig
Nov 16th 2012, 19:56
Convinced democrats have strong concerns on Dr Borg´s view on homosexuality, divorce, abortion, and the scientific use of tissues and cells.
The alliance of Socialists and Democrats (S&D) in the European Parliament should not approve Dr Borg´s nomination for European Commissioner. That would be a victory for democracy.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 22:18
The prejudices of a minority of EU parliamentarians aren't the democratic will of all the entire European Parliament re the post of Malta's EU Commissioner when a vote has not been taken. Until then you are only giving your unsolicited opinion as an inveterate intruder in our affairs. You won't succed to browbeat us when Hitler failed miserably with all his Junkers, Dorniers and Heinkels bombers
gil falzon
Nov 16th 2012, 23:32
Your comment is so flawed I am not sure whether to laugh or cry. So democracy to you equals suppressing free-speech and freedom of though. What a utopian democracy that is! Smacks of totalitarianism. Wake up please and stop being such a zealot.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 14:18
@ gil falzon.
I am not uncertain about my reaction to your comment. It is one of utter disbelief that anyone could compress so much irrelevant tripe in such a short comment. There is nothing in my comment that approaches even remotely the heresies about democracy, free speech and freedom of thought that you attribute to me falsely.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 18th 2012, 06:43
@KurtWaschnig
Those who have strong concern on Dr Borg's views are not the "convinced democrats". They are the illiberal atheists and the murderers of babies in their mothers' wombs.
Paul Gauci
Nov 16th 2012, 19:45
Waving the EU flag is not what makes you European. Die-hard PN voters have the same views of our designate EU commissioner. In most EU countries things like gay rights, women rights and abortion are non-issues. They are part of the European social model which is based on individual rights and not religious dogma. Those pro-EU nationalist voters should have checked twice before voting YES in 2003.
phyllis butler
Nov 16th 2012, 19:30
Why elect a European Commissioner if these parties have already decided for him with certain time-frames as well -- unbelieveable!!
Anthony Paul Naudi
Nov 16th 2012, 19:17
id=diversta' ma tezistix fl-ewropa.
A,P,Naudi
Robert Gatt
Nov 16th 2012, 19:04
Borg's commitment to points in Mr Groote's letter being requested stand in contrast to the supposedly European values of tolerance in diversity. It seems diversity is equivalent to the mantra: 'either you shun Christian beliefs & adhere to unquestioned liberty or else you are unworthy of the job". With this approach Borg isn't being allowed to show his true allegiance towards professionalism.
S Scerri
Nov 16th 2012, 18:06
After reading some of the comments below this article I have to acknowledge that no, the majority of the Maltese do not have European values. This also applies to politicians. Yes, it is quite humiliating for Dr. Borg to have to sign this declaration. But he got what he asked for. Welcome to Europe. Finally Malta's getting a lesson in tolerance and hopefully things will start to change.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 19:13
Forcing people to change their religious values is not an EU value!! Indeed it is the LIBERALS and their sidekick friends the SOCIALISTS that do not have EU values; because clearly TODAY they showed us they DO NOT MIND DISCRIMINATION as long as they are not the target of it. They do not mind OPPRESSING FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION as long as they can say what they wish and like!!! Go and trust them!!
Silvan Said
Nov 17th 2012, 07:52
@s scerri. I guess it depends on your interpretation of European values. If the MEPs behavior demonstrates European values the I would rather keep my Maltese values. Thankfully they are not.
Alex Ellul
Nov 16th 2012, 18:03
In UK:
Adrian Smith lost his managerial position, had his salary cut by 40%, and was given a final written warning by Trafford Housing Trust (THT) after posting that hosting gay weddings in churches were "an equality too far".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9682922/Taken-to-task-for-doing-nothing-wrong-worker-demoted-for-opposing-gay-marriage-was-unlawfully-punished-judge-rules.html
Evarist Saliba
Nov 16th 2012, 18:18
I am pleased to inform you that Adrian Smith has won his case before the High Court against his employers this afternoon. A comment on TV by the representative of STONEWALL was that while he disagreed with what Smith had written, he felt that he should not have been punished to that extent. He did not say to what extent he would have punished him. Is this what ALDE and PASD stand for?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 07:55
@AlexEllul.
The sentence you quote was reversed when it was successfully appealed. That is one strong argument why we should not rush, slavishly copy and accept blindly the imposition of standards prevailing in the countries of previous colonial powers.
Mr Mario Mifsud
Nov 16th 2012, 17:53
I believe that a happy compromise is being proposed to resolve this issue.
While being proud of our compatriot , especially considering the way he handled the hearing last Tuesday, we have also to bear in mind that the responsibilities for which he has been nominated are very sensitive issues to European public opinion .
And so the EU Parliamentarians could not have acted otherwise.
Joseph Brincat
Nov 16th 2012, 17:36
Whatever our "Comrades" in the European Parliament say and demand I think that it is very unethical of them to ask Dr Borg to sign such a declaration. He has already related humbly on such things during the hearing and should take his word. Dr Borg is a true statesman who always upheld European standards and should be shown great respect by these Liberals and Progressives (sic!!).
Joe Tabone
Nov 16th 2012, 17:07
Strange how these Liberals and Progressives work!
John Spiteri
Nov 16th 2012, 17:04
We have communists and liberals dictating to Malta on social affairs. Trying to impose abortion in Malta under the disguise of womens rights. It seems very undemocratic and anti christian! If communism is such a great system how come there has been a mass exodus of eastern europeans in to westerm europe and the US? Communism is dead. They will not impose their athestic mentality over me!
Silvan Said
Nov 16th 2012, 16:34
If Dr Borg signs this the intolerant liberals would have humiliated him and Malta. After his brilliant performance at the hearing I say he comes back home with his head held high and Malta should refuse to nominate another commissioner and take this to the European court of justice. If we give in now we will forever be humiliated by these hypocrites.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 16:42
And I suggest that he should sign the declaration to further humiliate the goons and nihilists in there. They have LOST this epic historic battle for freedom and they KNOW it. Even Cohn BENDIT knows it and he will vote for Dr Borg. Well done to Dr Borg, for having unmasked the evil intentions of assorted delinquents. There is NO WAY he can or will be rejected.
gil falzon
Nov 16th 2012, 23:39
I agree with you. We should just refuse to collaborate. I use the word collaborate intentionally as what the extremist Greens and Reds are demanding cannot be seen as cooperation but rather collaboration or rather appeasement. Remind you of something?
Mr ALBERT LEONE GANADO
Nov 16th 2012, 16:12
As I see it there is nothing in these requested seven points which Tonio Borg did not already accept to adhere to in his nomination hearing so there should be no difficulty in him signing the pledge. Point 1 in particular means that if the smoking lobby tried to play a delaying game it will be thwarted. While the pledge is to the EU no doubt points 6 and 7 influence positively the local scene.
John Spiteri
Nov 16th 2012, 18:42
Abortion = womens rights. What about child rights and mens writes? Oh and fathers rights?
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Nov 16th 2012, 16:02
Why should Dr. Tonio Borg sign this letter?
Did any of the other 26 Commissioners sign any letters?
JC.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 16:09
You've got a point there, Joseph Cauchi Senior. No, they did not. However, I would opine that Dr Tonio Borg should sign the declaration because
a. there is NOTHING in it which goes against his beliefs or those of any practising believer, and more IMPORTANTLY
b. to UNMASK the intolerance, bigotry, despotism and foul practices of assorted nihilists in that hall of muck and mire.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 15:47
The Liberal Groups in the EU better pay attention since they are playing with fire (or better they are playing with our TAXES). For gender discrimination a woman gets near 1 million. Can you think how much million will the EU have to pay if found to be discriminating against Christians!!
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20121116/local/woman-awarded-compensation.445617
Pippo de Marco
Nov 16th 2012, 15:46
It seems that it might be easier for a camel to enter into the eye of a needle than for a religious fundamentalist to enter the realm of the European Commission.
In hindsight, I think that it was naive to nominate Dr Borg. Even if he provides the necessary pledges and he is selected, then his opinions and statements will always be scrutinised for religious bias.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 15:54
Tonio Borg is not a religious fundamentalist. He is a Christian like many other Maltese and this persecution of Christians by Liberals in the EU organs is indeed very worrying for all EUROPEAN CITIZENS who believe in their religious values; Christian or non-Christians!! I believe there are grounds on which the EU can be sued if they do not give this job to Tonio Borg!!
Pippo de Marco
Nov 17th 2012, 20:36
Joseph,
Sued ? - Who would sue whom, and for what ? - Money?
I don't think so. - Whether TB gets the nomination or not, his objectivity will always be scrutinised and his European ambitions are doomed to end in failure.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 15:46
There is NOTHING in the declaration which goes against the core beliefs of any practising believer.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 15:58
I agree with Woman Rights; or better, equal rights for woman. However the LIBERALS might be trying to trick people in making them think that they are asking for something but in fact they are asking for the right of woman to choose whether to abort or not. Such is the trickery of these LIBERALS!!!
John Spiteri
Nov 16th 2012, 17:08
They are trying to censor freedom of religious expression. You will not be able to say you disagree with homosexuality and abortion. Christians, Jews, and Muslims will have no voice!
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 15:42
If I where Tonio Borg I would give every LIBERAL in Europe a video recording of the Interview and send it to them for Christmas because clearly they were so focused on discriminating Tonio Borg for his religious believes that they seem not to have heard Tono Borg when he pledged to follow the Human Rights Charter!!
Brian Gatt
Nov 16th 2012, 15:37
To Sign or not to Sign that is the question.....I imagine as our Maltese Hamlet. If he signs he goes against his moral beliefs and he loses the credibility in Malta but gains a commisioner's seat in the EU. If he doesnt sign he will be a hero amongst his people (he will probably even aim at the leader seat after Gonzi), but will get kicked out of EU.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 15:49
No Brian, Dr T Borg can freely sign the document as is - not as it would be (mis)interpreted by pseudo-liberals with an axe to grind.
M Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 16:00
@
Brian Gatt
No he can and will sign , because he already said that he will follow all that the rules say.
Alex Ellul
Nov 16th 2012, 15:26
.......we do not kill babies, dear EU hypocrites.
Alex Ellul
Nov 16th 2012, 15:25
The last last point is the hypocrites' Trojan horse. Women's rights of which there must be an immunerable number of basic and univrdsally upheld rights, but embedded in there is the 'right' for a 'woman' to abort, kill a life, her own flesh and blood. There lies the rub for Dr. Borg. I do not think that he will ink on the dotted line and Dr. Borg comes back home with his head help up high.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 15:41
As a European Commissioner Dr Tonio Borg would be precluded from discussing abortion, and cannot be forced to consider abortion, because that subject has been assigned to the sole competence of the legislatures of the individual members under the principle of subsidiarity.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 15:53
@ Francis Saliba MD
EXACTLY.......the EU has NO COMPETENCE over individual states about same-sex marriage, abortion, euthanasia etc. Thus it follows that there can never be any kind of validity attached to anyone's (wiki included) interpretation of women's rights that would include abortion.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 19:23
@AndyFarrugia
The EU relegated abortion etc to the subsidiarity of individual member countries precisely because it accepted that there was no one universal standard that could be imposed on all EU cultures, The EU having so decided, ADLE, LGPT etc have no right to try to impose their own contested standards by subterfuge, by discriminating and by denying right to public observance of religion.
Gervais M. Cishahayo
Nov 16th 2012, 15:22
Irrespective of outcome, TB bid for Malta EU Commissioner post was seriously undermined by the combined effect of circumstances and style of his predecessor ejection from the post. Politicians dreaming of riding the EU gravy train must know that EU membership comes at "Not OnlyFinancial" cost and benefit as they are scrutinised when it comes to their conduct of domestic and international issues.
Tony Borg Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 15:14
il-kelma ta' ragel ghandha tkun bizzejjed.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 15:46
"il-kelma ta' ragel ghandha tkun bizzejjed" imma fost l-irgiel biss. Ghawnhekk si tratta di ALDE, LGBT, abortionisti, pseudo-liberali li zgur li mhux kollha jippretendu li huma irgiel.
Francis Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 15:09
My Feelings about these 7 clauses show the reality how deep down in the sh....t can the Eu go. I hope that Dr.Borg will go by what he promised in his interview, but not to sign not even one of the clauses. He will surely be accepted as a commissioner if he dose not sign. Otherwise I dare say that he will be a puppet.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 15:15
And I would suggest that Dr Borg ought to sign this declaration, to continue to unmask the villains in that hall of sleaze and slime. I find nothing morally unacceptable in this declaration; to the contrary, they are values shared by most believers.
Joe Grech
Nov 16th 2012, 15:06
Now the E.U. has come to this: the different political groups within the E.U. want to push their own particular lobby at all costs>
They are so arrogant that they will even tie down the hands of the Commissioners before they will elect them.
How's that for good governance, transparency, effectiveness? Baroso et al please note!
Paul Azzopardi
Nov 16th 2012, 14:55
Where is Democracy and freedom of speech and opinion. If I do not think on the same line as you do it doesn't mean I will discriminate you. We know that not everybody has the same thinking on any subject, but you cannot impose what I think as long as I do not harm you or intimidate you. The way they are acting is anti democratic and reminds me of Hitler.
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Nov 16th 2012, 14:54
I only wonder what the founding fathers of the European Union (who were devout Catholics) would say if they could see what is happening to Dr. Tonio Borg.
Is the EU still on the right track or is it losing its direction?
Let’s hope that what the founding fathers did for Europe, was not in vain!
JC.
Ms D. Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 14:51
I never thought that the EU had such undemocratic principles. Judging a capable person on whether he agrees with you or not is utter shame and dishonesty. Where is the unity based on diversity? These people are fighting for animal rights, which is quite right, but against unborn children.
Eve Axiaq
Nov 16th 2012, 14:49
What a farce! I wonder if they do the same to a German contestant.
If Tonio signs the deal he is a puppet. This has never happened to any commissioner before. EMPs were elected on trust like everything else in democracy. A leader/party in democracy is elected because people TRUST him.
Sewwa mela i tell Dr Gonzi to sign the electoral programme to vote for him, what a democracy!
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 14:46
Personally I find nothing in this declaration that goes against my core beliefs. No problem signing this declaration.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 14:45
For those who are trying to convince otherwise, here is the link to the original text which mention "women's reproductive rights" which according to Wikipedia, include the right for women to have unhindered access to legal abortion.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201211/20121115ATT55650/20121115ATT55650EN.pdf
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 15:36
Wikipedia is no legal authority qualified to interpret "reproductive rights" as including abortion because the intentional killing of the unborn is actually the antithesis of reproduction. In any case abortion is outside the remit of the European Commission and the European Parliament because subsidiarity assigns abortion to the legislatures of the individual members of the EU.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 15:52
In other words these EU LIBERALS did not even have the courage to be direct with their intentions and placed their TRUE intentions as a link in the original document while requesting something that may sound as different!! Hypocrites and Cowards do those sort of things!! Maybe we should re-define the meaning of Liberal in our dictionary!!!
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 16:48
Irrespective of legal interpretations, if both of you read the attached letter that Mr Lehne, the Chairman sent to Mr M Schulz together with the letter sent to Mr Lehne by Mr Grootte, the unhindered access to safe and legal abortion is mentioned several times and is one of the sticking points which some groups are facing with regards to the acceptance of T Borg as Commissioner.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 11:22
@PatrickZammit.
The challenged right to a desired "unhindered access to safe and legal abortion" could be mentioned in letters between Lehne and Grotte a million times but that would not mean that abortion had become included as a fundamental human right recognized in any international charter.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 14:44
Hahahaha! The usual motley crowd of nihilists, humanists, pseudo-liberals (in particular some of the local species ) are beside themselves with rage and frustration for their inability to come up with any universally acceptable and democratic criteria to reject Dr Borg. Even the wayward Cohn BAndit will vote for him. The nihilists are a dungeon divided. Continue to wallow......
Anthony Pace
Nov 16th 2012, 14:33
He could undertake to comply with the requested but still not believe in them!!!
We should have sent someone impartial to the EU Commission.
The MEPs may well decide not to believe in him at all especially on the last two points. He has stated that he believes in same sex civil partnership but not gay marriage which does not go down well with the Northern European partners!!!
Maria Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 14:32
Is this the EU or Sodom and Gomorrah?
Joseph John Camilleri
Nov 16th 2012, 15:21
The EU has long lost its Christian values. Anyone who has a different opinion regarding some of the captoned questions is marked as a bigot. The EU is giving more importance to animals than to the unborn child, not that animals should not be protected, but come on has the EU lost its soul.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 16:03
@Joseph John Camilleri
Liberals and Socialists are obfuscating the dream!!
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 14:29
The liberals are starting to feel uncountable at the fact that they did not manage to break Tonio Borg into submission and are therefore trying to find a way how to save their face ... by making him sign what he (throughout his life) has already pledged to abide to; The Human Rights charter!! Can they be more pathetic then that!!??
Mr Mike Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 14:29
Hasn't he already made this pledge live on TV? Are they deaf? Do they want it in blood?
George Cremona
Nov 16th 2012, 14:22
Honestly speaking my positive views I always had on the democratic credentials of the EU Parliament are being tarnished by the undemocratic way most of the EU parliamentarians are treating our Tonio Borg. They pretend to either play their game or else be eliminated somehow or other.This is modern communism being born, nourished and get stronger in the EU founded on Christian values!!!
Mr J Xerri
Nov 16th 2012, 13:53
Sorry to repeat what I wrote before. But why didn't the Prim Minister took heed of those who had foreseen what was going to happen if Dr Borg was nominated? Isn't the way Dr Borg being treated by the European MEP's humiliating? Couldn't we have avoided all this?
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 14:36
Why should we MALTESE change our nomination just because a bunch of liberals want to dictate who gets a job and who doesn't based on the religion of that person?? The PM did well; and if I where him I would send them one even more conservative then Tonio Borg should they dare deny him the job that they themselves admit he merits!!
Paul Azzopardi
Nov 16th 2012, 15:01
We could have avoided it by sending a gay one. Or an aetheist. He would have passed with flying colours. At least that is the impression I am gettting from the whole story. If you are not one of us then you are against us. Childrens' thinking.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 15:53
@PaulAzzopardi
Not so quick, sir. The ALDE, LGPT etc are only a noisy minority in the European Parliament. Let us not exagerate their clout.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 15:58
@JosephAquilina
Nominating someone who is more religious than Dr T Borg would play into the hands of OLAF, Swedish Match and the rest of the murderous tobacco lobby by delaying further any progress with the Tobacco Directive.
M. Attard
Nov 16th 2012, 13:52
Maljr biddilhom il-Valuri is-sur Tonio. Ghal kilba tal-flus kollox jaghmel il-bniedem. Imbasta l-ewwel ta sehmu ghat tbaswir tal-ligijiet ta Malta kif jaf hu u shabu. Imbaghad anke l-opposizzjoni qablet ghal hatra tieghu minkejja dan kollu. Kienu ftit barranin li ndunaw bih u ghamluli dawn il-kundizzjonijiet kollha. GHAJB GHAL OPPOZIZZJONI I.E. IL-PARTIT LABURISTA. L-ghaqi bhas-soltu.
Eddy Privitera
Nov 16th 2012, 16:14
M. Attard: M'ghandek lanqas nitfa ta' ideja xi jfisser l-interess nazzjonali. Il- PL ta' l-isbah prova li meta jghid li ghalih l-interess ta' pajjizna jigi L-EWWEL U QABEL KOLLOX, mhux kliem fieragh izda rejalta ! Kien fl-interess ta' pajjizna, li la darba Gonzi ddecieda li jinnomina lil- Tonio Borg, il- PL ta' l-appogg shih u hadem permess tal- MEPs laburisti biex Dr. Borg jigi accettat .
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 13:46
How pathetic!!! The LIBERALS know they can't honestly deny Tonio Borg this job because that would amount to pure and simple discrimination and are therefore trying to make it seem that they got it their way when indeed - as already made very clear by himself - Tonio Borg has already pledged to abide by the EU charter of fundamental human rights!!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 13:45
There is no reason why Dr Tonio Borg should hesitate to accept the whole list with the utmost integrity. The requested pledges are being expanded and given unwarranted (mis)interpretations by the usual commenters who have an axe to grind.
joseph michael vassallo
Nov 16th 2012, 13:36
Please stick to your principles and beliefs and send these weaklings to hell.No wonder Europe is in the state it is.
Joseph M Vassallo (Seville)
Ronnie Callus
Nov 16th 2012, 13:32
Veru qedien tajjeb l-annimali qed ntuhom aktar importanza mill-bniedem (skont l-EU). Mela hekk sew nghidulhom lil ta' l-EU qedien inlibsu l-annimali aktar minn nies, anzi lin-nies innaqqsulhom mill-hwejjeg qedien. Dan narawh madwarna. Imbaghad nghidu li d-dinja ghamlet progress. U kif !!!
Victor Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 13:30
I'm a die-hard European but wresting these points from a person who is acknowledged by these MEPs to have performed brilliantly and 'profoundly', is baffling and disappointing.
David Seychell
Nov 16th 2012, 13:29
Are these pledges somehow binding or just promises? Can he sign but with reservations on some points? How much time he have to think about it? Are there any EU policies on abortion?
Mr l Azzopardi
Nov 16th 2012, 14:32
The EE development fund has been linked with funding abortions ...
http://info.kopp-verlag.de/data/image/Birgit_Kelle/2012-03/Skandaloes%20EU%20zahlt%20verdeckt%20millionenbetraege%20fuer%20Abtreibungslobby/European_Dignity_Watch-The_Funding_of_Abortion_Through_EU_Development_Aid.pdf
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 13:24
If T Borg agrees with the last point, he will confirm that he has no principles whatsoever.
He has already gone half way by stating in Brussels that he will not use conscience if accepted but instead use science to guide him. Conscience only works in Malta where loss of pappa is not a problem. In Brussels, where the big money is, it is a completely different scenario.
David Caruana
Nov 16th 2012, 13:33
He will as the term 'women's rights' is too vague.
The right for women to vote is part of the women's rights.
Others down here seem to interpret it as a right for safe abortion.
So Borg can always sign and then give you a whole list of women's rights he supported (e.g. women's right to vote)
Christian Sciberras
Nov 16th 2012, 14:25
Xid-dinja qed tghid? There's no conscience in Malta, it's just friends, friends and money.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 14:27
@Patrick Zammit
Tonio Borg never said that; he said there is the Human Rights Charter and he will abide by the Human Rights Charter.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 14:32
In all EU countries (with the exception of Malta and Ireland), it is a women's right to have access to safe and legal abortion.
It is obvious to anyone with a few brain cells that the last point mentioned in this article refers to this right.
It does not refer to rights like voting on which there is absolutely no conflict between the political groups and T Borg.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 14:49
The original text mentions "women's reproductive rights" which according to Wikipedia include abortion.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201211/20121115ATT55650/20121115ATT55650EN.pdf
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 15:10
"In all EU countries.... it is a women's right to have access to safe and legal abortion.
It is obvious to anyone with a few brain cells that the last point mentioned in this article refers to this right."
NO it doesn't........irrespective of the number of brain cells one possesses legal documents do not allow for euphemistic use of language and / or connotational nuances.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 15:44
Andy, see my post at 14.99.
Women's Rights include access to safe and legal abortions.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 15:50
@ Patrick Zammit
No , you ARE wrong........women's rights according to universally acceptable declarations such as those of the UN and the EU do not include euphemistic expressions for abortion. Interpretation is free BUT facts are sacred. Now you may continue to consult wiki .
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 16:28
@Andy Farrugia
Seems Patrick is right; they indeed wrote Woman re-productive rights and not (as later re-written most probably on purpose to give it less focus) Woman rights!! Just shows how LIBERAL and SOCIALIST controlled EU is not to be trusted and we need more people like Tonio Borg to re-order the place!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 16:32
@PatrickZammit.
Stop connecting abortion with the nomination/acceptance of Dr Tonio Borg. By now every man and his dog should have understood that abortion is outside the remit of the whole European Commission, not only Malta's Commisioner. It is a no-go area restricted to the legislatures of the individual member countries. Don't you understand plain English?
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 16:37
@ Joseph Aquilina
No, NO, NO he is wrong...it is not the DRAFT declaration which counts....that was unacceptable in its wording and legally flawed and discriminatory. What counts is the FINAL copy. PERIOD.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 17:04
@ Dr Saliba
Just because presently the Commission has no say as regards to abortion, it does not mean that a future commissioner cannot propose laws which will change that.
We have seen rules change many times like the bail out of countries which goes against the Maastricht Treaty.
That is obviously what is worrying certain groups.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 19:38
@PatrickZammit.
Please argue about the present situation as it is, not as you, or "certain groups" would like it to be.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 23:48
Dr Saliba
T Borg tried to change the Maltese Constitution to force present and future generations to abide by his extremist religious believes. It is a real possibility that he may try to change the present situation in the EU regarding abortion.
It has nothing to do with what me or certain groups "would like it to be".
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 17th 2012, 16:29
@PatrickZammit.yesterday at 23:48
You are only speculating about a non-existen event namely your "real possibility that Dr T Borg would try to prevent a change in the present EU situation regarding abortion”. The EU has placed abortion beyond the reach of EU Commissioners by relegating it to the legislatures of constituent member states. That is the undeniable fact that you refuse to face.
Franco Attard Trevisan
Nov 16th 2012, 13:09
i think it's fair enough...
Basically all they are saying is exactly what we should be telling our politicians basically MHUX PAROLI IMMA FATTI u dokument iffirmat bhala garanzija
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 14:26
@JScicluna.
Dr T Borg can sign unhesitatingly without any need to swallow his pride. He will not lose credibility with people that matter. He never had, he does not have, he will never have and he should not even seek credibility with those who would like his nomination to be rejected against the expressed wish of the elected representatives of the Maltese nation.
J. Scicluna
Nov 16th 2012, 13:06
Let's see whether Dr Borg will swallow pride and sign OR show all of Europe that his beliefs are not negotiable.
If he signs, he loses all credibility; past and present.
If he doesn't sign he loses the Commissioner's seat.
Either way...he loses!
M Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 13:18
I do not see why he should lose " all credibility " if he signs ?
If you listened to the answers he gave you must know that he agreed with all the above .
He will not swallow his pride because he already said that he will follow all EU rules !!
Paul Cassar
Nov 16th 2012, 13:05
BUT..................have the other commissioners been so bound ?????????? I mean there is already a set code
of practice, regulations and procedures.
OR.................is this part of a new method of appointment ?
Joseph Calleja
Nov 16th 2012, 13:03
we live in a sick world, and the more I hear about this and from certain bloggers hereunder, i realise more that life is not about principles anymore and fair debate, but pressure, lobbying and warped insights.
David Caruana
Nov 16th 2012, 13:29
Of course everybody's insight is warped apart from yours?
j brincat
Nov 16th 2012, 13:02
"Foreign Minister Tonio Borg have written to the president of the European Parliament listing seven points which they would like Dr Borg to sign to"
GonziPN also gave a WRITTEN guarantee, before the last election, to various workers e.g. Air Malta, Go, Malta Drydocks etc.
Now these poor workers know by experience how much this guarantee was worth!
(jb)
P Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 13:01
This is ridiculous, as if Tonio was against these and had not already made himself clear on these! It's good they use the term "women's rights" without being too specific. It is a vague term and, according to what I found, abortion is not recognised in international human rights law.
Patrick Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 13:13
Women's rights are not International human rights.
P Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 13:48
Tell me exactly if there is a clear declaration of what they are then. The important thing is that one respects human rights, which obviously includes women's rights.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 13:49
@Patrick Zammit
Tell me, did Tonio Borg in all his political years do anything against woman rights!?? If Tonio Borg is forced to sign such a thing then all future Commissioner will have to sign the same peace of paper because clearly for these LIBERALS (my foot) the past does not count where they wish and like!!
Patrick Zammit
Nov 17th 2012, 07:49
Joseph, other commissioners like Dalli did not do and say what Tonio has been insisting on in Malta.
Mr Duncan Scerri
Nov 16th 2012, 12:55
Borg has already declared he will stick to his own "values":
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20121022/local/Tonio-Borg-promises-to-be-true-to-his-values.442080
Ditch him at the roadside.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Nov 16th 2012, 22:37
@Duncan Scerri & Pippo Demarco.
I hope that you can follow your reasoning process assuming that there is any. Your comment consists only of illogical brash opinions.
Pippo de Marco
Nov 16th 2012, 12:50
If Dr Borg has the courage of his convictions, then he should ask the Committee not to consider his nomination. Anything else would be hypocrisy.
George Calleja
Nov 16th 2012, 12:48
How very stupid of these representatives!! Are they all deaf? Didn't they hear Dr.Borg answer very clearly to each of the questions last Wednesday? This is all manipulations of the freedom of expression one expects from each MEP. They should better check about the many flaws that Europe is encountering in many vital spheres of their policy making
michael catania
Nov 16th 2012, 13:02
The piont is you cannot pull the wool the eyes of intellegent persons
M Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 13:21
@
michael catania
No the point is that they know that they can find nothing wrong in what he said and they had to do something not to lose face !!
Intelligent persons , my foot !
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 13:51
@michael catania
Liberals = Intelligence!! Ha ha!! Liberals are simply trying to trick people like you who agree with them they actually achieved something with their DISCRIMINATORY attitude towards Tonio Borg when in fact they achieved nothing because Tonio Borg has already made it very clear that he would abide to the Human Rights Charter.
Ronnie Callus
Nov 16th 2012, 12:43
Din minn meta l-hawn dawn l-irjus kbar bdew iridu bill-miktub li Tonio Borg jimxi fuq il-linji li jridu huma. Dawn huma biss tajbin ???? Ahjar jaraw kif se' jnaqqsu l-problema tal-klandestini minn go pajjizna ghax veru tal-misthija li pajjizi kbar daqs dawn jehdulnu ftit mijiet. Ghax ma' jmorrux il-Libja u jzommuhom minn hemm biex ma' jitilquhx u jejnuhom go pajjizhom.
Joseph Vassallo, (Bugibba)
Nov 16th 2012, 12:43
Money talks... and the tobacco industry has a lot of it... so everybody listens.
David Caruana
Nov 16th 2012, 13:26
In fact, their first point is:
'The delivery of the legislative proposal on tobacco products by January 2013'
Joseph Vassallo, (Bugibba)
Nov 16th 2012, 17:11
David, what did you expect them to do in the prevailing circumstances, demand the opposite?
Dr Borg is already reported as having stated in public that his first action would be to publish Dalli's legislative proposal. Indeed most of these points are 'pointless' because they are already covered.
How many times did he refer to Articles 10 and 21 during his interview?
Roger Tirazona
Nov 16th 2012, 12:43
I ask (Fr.) Joe Borg and Simon Busuttil where is the intolerance and extremism in these requests (which were issues sought after by the greens and liberals alike).
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Nov 16th 2012, 12:40
In CASE OF A, B AND C v. IRELAND, the EC of Human Rights held that "there is no right for women to an abortion" but "found that Ireland had violated the Convention by failing to provide an accessible and effective procedure by which a woman can have established whether she qualifies for a legal abortion under current Irish law." What if case law changes? Borg has to respect & abide by it. Ha! Ha!
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 13:53
Did you hear the Interview Tonio Borg had? Or you are just talking without even knowing how Tonio Borg answered the multitude of questions made to him. To help you out; Tonio Borg made it very clear that "abortion" is not EU business and each state is SOVEREIGN to have their own laws!!
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 14:48
But Joseph Carmel Chetcuti will continue to persist in his idiosyncratic interpretion of universally accepted and agreed laws. Trust him.
Andy Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 14:48
But Joseph Carmel Chetcuti will continue to persist in his idiosyncratic interpretation of universally accepted and agreed laws. Trust him.
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Nov 16th 2012, 21:36
Tonio Borg is not there to dictate to the European Court of Human Rights. Not even Malta can tell the court what to do. Before entry into the EU, the PN also said that sexuality was not a matter to concern the EU. Fat chance!!!!!
Franco Farrugia
Nov 16th 2012, 12:33
If by 'women's rights', they mean abortion, I think Tonio Borg would be right to stick to his principles and to his guns! Whatever the outcome.
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Nov 16th 2012, 12:50
Malta is the odd country out in the European Union. Change will occur towards favouring abortion. Where is the outrage of Malta's Roman Catholic hierarchy? Imagine if a Labor politician was in Borg's position. They would be called securlarist, atheists, communists and what have you. Sorry (conservative) folks, the writing is on the wall. We will soon see how principled the PN is!!!!!
P Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 13:10
Mr Chetcuti, abortion is murder, as simple as that. It is the termination of human life. Luckily, the overwhelming majority here still reject murder of innocent human beings and hence do not have sinister views like yours. It would be interesting to see what happens if a party here declares itself in favour of abortion now ... you can forget the poll indications we have had so far!
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Nov 16th 2012, 21:38
What you or I think about abortion is irrelevant. What is relevant is what the ECHR decides.
Mark A. Sammut
Nov 16th 2012, 12:33
Article 21 reads: Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.
Joe Xuereb
Nov 16th 2012, 12:29
I sense a stumbling block in all this. A stumbling block we have seen before and relevant now and for the foreseeable future. I wonder what this stumbling block is? Have a guess. Hint: a PM who could not endorse divorce and lumbered the people who voted him in to lead them and they ended up doing what should, elsewhere, be his job. ONLY IN MALTA. What do the bishops think? Pl. speak up.
Victor Zammit
Nov 16th 2012, 12:24
Would not a signed declaration with regard to all or any of the items indicated, namely deadlines for acts of administration (points 1 to 3), other administrative acts (point 4), rights (point 5) and a discretionary selection of rights (points 6 to 7) create an anomalous precedent?
Joseph Vassallo, (Bugibba)
Nov 16th 2012, 12:18
An undertaking to "ACTIVELY" support an unspecific policy is tantamount to giving up his right to an opinion. The demand is an imposition tantamount to blackmail.
Is that the democracy we are supposed to be enjoying in Europe? I guess, the more we've changed, the more we've stayed the same.
David Caruana
Nov 16th 2012, 12:13
What a waste of time!
Either accept him or boot him. As an astute and experienced poltician, Tonio Borg can sign whatever you want and then deliver the exact oppposite.
Judge him on his track record and not on his promises.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 16th 2012, 14:02
@David Caruana
Liberals in the EU have now realized that their bullying tactics have backfired. They have realized how people are seeing through them and the HATRED they represent. They do NOT want to kick Tonio Borg out and at the same time they do not want to be seen losers!! Therefore they came out with this stratagem to make Tonio Borg sign what Tonio Borg has already agreed to; human rights.
David Caruana
Nov 16th 2012, 14:36
Hatred? I see only politics, no hatred there.
You seem the only one to be seeing hatred.
Salvino Giusti
Nov 16th 2012, 12:09
Salvino Giusti
I would not be at all surprised if the tobacco lobby are now ruthlessly lobbyin g MEP's from all political groupings against Dr. Borg's nominatioon thus further frustrating the implementations of the Tobacco Directive. The status quo is certainly immensely beneficial for the economic interests ofthe tobacco lobby. But it is a shame that a very valid and prominent politician
David Caruana
Nov 16th 2012, 12:31
Yes Salvino, you must be right. Especially since their first point is exactly:
'•The delivery of the legislative proposal on tobacco products by January 2013'
jimi Xerri
Nov 16th 2012, 12:02
Could this be happening due to the problem of John Dalli, which is now being reflected on Dr Tonio Borg?
Mr Joe Frendo
Nov 16th 2012, 12:00
How about we give the same treatment to our local political parties for next election? Pledge to convince us that you will be delivering your proposals and state the term of implementation.
JF
J. Scicluna
Nov 16th 2012, 13:03
No use my friend....ask the hundreds of Air Malta employees that lost their job even if they hold a signed letter from the Prime Minister himself.
Ask all those who recieved similar signed letters whether they want to be duped...again!
tania parascandalo
Nov 16th 2012, 11:58
if for the EU, abortion is a woman's right, then I will be disappointed if Tonio Borg will sign these pledges.
Brian Gatt
Nov 16th 2012, 11:58
Now the last point is especially a tricky one does that mean Tonio will have to say that he supports abortion too? if he pledges his support what will happen in Malta....will the gates of hell open and swallow us whole? will the Madonna start crying again? or will we just be recognised as a modern European Liberal country and earn the respect of our European partners?
m. borg (slm)
Nov 16th 2012, 11:56
" •Actively support EU policies with regards to women’s rights."
This is a tricky one because although unwritten it also refers to ABORTION, which in the EY is considered as a woman's right on her body.
I am really anxious to see how Tonio responds to this.
For the rest I am sure he is well trained in promising all the points layed down.
Anthony Paul Naudi
Nov 16th 2012, 11:55
Fejn huma id-drittijiet fundamentali tal-bniedem meta mhux qed jaccettaw id-drittijiet ta Tonio Borg ?
Jippretendu bil-miktub li wiehed irid jichad l-idejali tieghu ? Halluna tridux Din hija ewropa Hitlerjana
A.P.Naudi
Peter Murray
Nov 16th 2012, 11:47
Does this demand for Dr.Borg's support for EU policies with regards to women's rights extend to their right as declared in the most fundamental freedom of all enshrined in such legislation -the freedom to choose-along with abortion issues?
V. Cauchi
Nov 16th 2012, 11:46
Dilcis in fundo: "Actively support EU policies with regards to women’s rights". Does this include the right to have an abortion?
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Nov 16th 2012, 12:36
We will see what Toni Borg's principles truly are. Read this commitment carefully: "Fuly respect and abide by the EU charter of fundamental human rights in particular of Article 21 thereof as well as the EU anti-discrimination legislation and case law." Not just Article 21 but ALSO EU case law.
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Nov 16th 2012, 12:47
See above comments re the EC of Human Rights. The answer is 'YES." He has to abide by, respect (and actively support) any decision of that court. That requirement applies to future case law. Any lawyer worth his or her salt knows that case law changes. Changes are towards women determining what to do with their bodies. Malta is the odd country out in this regard.
Joseph A Borg
Nov 16th 2012, 14:47
and the positive discrimination laws now being debated to which the maltese government is heavily opposed…
Jay Oatmon
Nov 16th 2012, 11:43
Wow, actually asking a Maltese MP to put his views in writing and to abide by them - this is something never seen before in Malta.
Malta needs similar transparency and especially the associated accountability to be introduced in Malta.
m. borg (slm)
Nov 16th 2012, 11:59
One chess move that gonzi did not percieve and looks like he will be check mated unless Tonio has to swallow his CHRISTIAN beliefs and approve all the demands.
Simon looks like he would be left out in the cold.
paul camilleri
Nov 16th 2012, 12:01
Mr Oatman apparently these are not his views or there would not be an issue in appointing him. However one much to desire why the EU is forcing Dr Borg to do this as they also force Comm Dalli to resign.
therefore one must ask the EU commission how much do they respect the law of freedom of freewill?and the right of ones own opinion?
Mr Evan Camilleri
Nov 16th 2012, 12:06
I think this is new also for Europe......! Maybe Mr. Borg would add that he will work in order that promises are signed by ALL politicians across the EU!
leo briffa
Nov 16th 2012, 11:35
he's in already. he will abide by all these points no problem.
Please choose the reason of your report below: