Opposition backs IVF Bill but lists points of disagreement
The House of Representatives this evening started to debate the Embryo Protection Bill - better known as the IVF Bill - with Health Minister Joseph Cassar stressed that the Bill's aim is to protect human life from its earliest stages.
Opposition spokesman Michael Farrugia said the Opposition backed the Bill and there were no differences with the government on its principles. However the Opposition disagreed with some provisions. In particular, prospective parents should not need to go before the new Authority to seek the go-ahead for IVF treatment as that was a confidential matter within the doctor-patient relationship. He also raised questions on the limitation of fertilisation to two eggs per cycle.
Dr Cassar in his introduction said the Bill was based on ensuring that the rights of embryos were recognised and respected; and that the responsibilities of institutions towards embryos were shouldered.
Human life started from conception, or fertilisation of the woman's egg with the man's sperm. Life had to be protected from its earliest stages, and this was what this Bill aimed to achieved.
The Bill had been drafted in a scenario where assisted procreation was currently unregulated. Consultation had been broad and had taken years, but the government was satisfied that the Bill as drafted protected embryos while responding to the demands for assisted procreation.
The minister went on to explain how the Bill protected every cell which could develop into a human.
It banned abuses of the embryo including pre-implantation genetic diagnosis, sex selection, cloning or experimentation.
NO EMBRYO FREEZING
Embryo freezing as part of IVF was being disallowed since this essentially meant that the development of embryos - or human beings - was being frozen.
However the Bill allowed freezing of ova - the woman's eggs - a process known as oocyte vitrification which eliminated the need for embryo freezing. This new technology meant freezing before, not after fertilisation. Another advantage of this technology was that a woman did not need to go through various cycles of hyper stimulation.
It was only in extreme emergencies, such as when a woman was seriously ill, that embryos could be frozen.
The Bill said that not more than two eggs could be fertilised at any one time and they had to be implanted immediately, without freezing.
Dr Cassar explained how the IVF process would be regulated by an Authority for Embryo Protection whose members will base their decisions on personal judgement without interference by other bodies.
The Authority would set high ethical standards on assisted procreation and ensure that they were observed. It would issue licences to clinics and carry out regular inspections.
The Authority would also decide on the adoption of embryos frozen in exceptional circumstances.
Dr Cassar said the government was continuing to hear arguments on the number of eggs which may be fertilised per cycle and implanted, with the aim of ensuring a healthy pregnancy while protecting the embryos.
A balance had to be struck between the chances of fertilisation, the risk of multiple pregnancies and other health concerns. The Bill was saying that not more than two eggs should be fertilised per cycle and the embryos should then all be implanted. However, in certain problematic or challenging cases, fertilisation of two eggs might not be enough. Even in natural processes, not all fertilised eggs yielded an embryo.
Therefore there were grounds for discussion on whether the Authority should prepare protocols to allow three eggs for fertilisation in some circumstances as indicated by doctors and determined by the Authority. This exception could also be granted to older women. The Bill, therefore could be amended for this purpose.
He stressed that in any case, all fertilised eggs had to be implanted.
The minister then went on to speak about the structure of the Bill in detail, including counselling, the informed consent of prospective parents and the status of offspring.
He pointed out that non-observance of the provisions of the law would be considered a crime, which carried heavy penalties, although there would be no imprisonment for the women-patients concerned.
OPPOSITION BACKS BILL BUT LISTS DISAGREEMENTS
Opposition spokesman Michael Farrugia said there was not much difference between the government and the opposition on the principles of the Bill. The Opposition would back the Bill but there were some differences which needed to be discussed and hopefully agreed upon by the time the debate ended.
The Opposition, he said, disagreed with the one-size fits all concept and the big brother attitude in sections of the Bill.
The need for this Bill was shown by the fact that 10% of couples, in Malta and abroad, had fertility problems but many could be helped through assisted procreation. Not every fertilised egg resulted in an embryo and then a baby, which was why he felt that a section of the Bill should be amended.
In the natural process, 80% of fertilised eggs did not implant themselves. In view of the limitations which this Bill laid down, at the committee stage, therefore, he would move amendments to give a bigger opportunity of success to the couples who sought IVF.
Dr Farrugia observed that the Bill laid down the minimum age limit of couples who could be eligible for assisted procreation - at 18 years -, but set no maximum age limit.
LICENCE TO HAVE CHILDREN
The Labour MP questioned the provision of the Bill where prospective parents needed to go before the Authority to seek the go-ahead for IVF. This, he said, was akin to seeking a licence to seek children, and it was wrong. This was a matter which should be restricted to the confidential doctor-patient relationship.
Furthermore, parents born of IVF should not be labelled as such in their files, as the Bill implied.
Dr Farrugia noted that if somebody intentionally tried to fertilise more than two eggs in a cycle, he would be committing a crime and become liable to a heavy fine or a jail term. This, he said, was the case he had mentioned of 'one size fits all'. Whoever wrote this part of the law did not know what he was writing about.
People who sought IVF needed help to procreate. Other treatments would have failed. Where the eggs and sperm were healthy, limiting fertilisation to two eggs might be sufficient but in several cases, this was not enough. There should therefore be different protocols for different circumstances. As written, this bill undermined the professionalism of the medical profession, Dr Farrugia said.
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Gerry Cowie
Nov 7th 2012, 21:17
Respect for human life is for all - not just religious persons. All are human. All need to respect their own kind.
A frozen embryo is a frozen human being. To denigrate it to a nothing for one's own purposes is destructive. Life begins at conception. An embryo is not a nothing. Where is the respect for our own kind?
The 21st century is a poor excuse to make everytning ok!
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 7th 2012, 09:54
Ok now lejber tell me, if you allow more then two eggs to be fertilized, let say 6. All 4 gets fertilized but the couple does not want to risk having sextuplets so they consent only 2 fertilized eggs to continue their walk to life. The other four fertilized eggs will be frozen!! The couple have their child/children. What happens to the 4 extra fertilized eggs? They remain there? Is that acceptable
Tony Borg
Nov 7th 2012, 10:15
@ Joseph Aquilina
It seems that you know nothing about IVF but just swallow what our archi conservative politicians say.
This couple will be lucky to have 1 let alone more viable fertilized eggs.
Modern IVF is not about how many fertilized eggs are implanted but that a single viable one is implanted.
David Caruana
Nov 7th 2012, 10:21
Yes it is!
It is more than acceptable to flush them away, as it happens naturally to millions of fertilised eggs everyday around the world, due to miscarriage.
They're just that - fertilised eggs. NOT humans.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 7th 2012, 17:20
@Tony Borg
The couple can opt - as the law implies - to not implant the fertilized eggs for some reason or another, in which case the embryo (fertilized egg) can be frozen. So let us say the law is emended to allow X amount of fertilized eggs, let us say the couple wants to take implant Y fertilized eggs, what will happen to X - Y?? How will the law cater for such a situation.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 7th 2012, 17:21
@David Caruana
I am just sorry for you. Clearly you have no respect for human life.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 7th 2012, 17:23
@Tony Borg
I now since you are an expert in IVF tell me, why did they invent embryo freezing in the first place if not to allow a couple to implant in batches without the need to do the whole process again? No one wants to "risk" having 4, 6, or 8 children at one go!! The law is not clear on what should be done if there is X embroys, but the couple wants to implant only Y!!
R. Balzan
Nov 7th 2012, 08:52
Judging by all the adverse comments posted on this topic, it seems like the PN government is making sure that the 12% popularity gap in its ratings is widened even further and that the next election will be a super landslide for the PL. Carry on bungling!
David Caruana
Nov 7th 2012, 09:14
"Opposition backs IVF Bill"
Yes, it disagrees on some points but we need an opposition that rejects this bill.
We need an opposition that supports embryo freezing as only this can guarantee a higher success rate in assisted procreation.
Joseph Aquilina
Nov 7th 2012, 11:10
@David Caruana
Abortion - and embryo freezing is abortion masked under another name - is the biggest genocide men kind has ever witnessed!! Allowing people to kill their children is not progress but degeneration! Government should be there to give voice to those who don't have one, and not to legalize the systematic murder of such elements in our society!!
j brincat
Nov 7th 2012, 07:50
"if somebody intentionally tried to fertilise more than two eggs in a cycle, he would be committing a crime and become liable to a heavy fine or a jail terms"
Can somebody explain this?
Jail? Are we living in the Middle Ages?
What absurdity is this?
(jb)
John Spiteri
Nov 7th 2012, 07:06
I think some Catholic Politicians need to be excommunicated from the church. Children should be conceived naturally through sexual intercourse as God intended. There will be lots of mistakes and lots of wrong implants. Dirty contaminated laboratory equipment, incorrect sperm from the wrong father and the wrong egg from the wrong mother, due to poor labelling.Then what? Abortion?
David Caruana
Nov 7th 2012, 07:56
No need to excommunicate them.
We're voting them out.
You can keep them.
W Cassar
Nov 7th 2012, 08:55
Thats right David and I will be one of them.
Religion and politics do not mix well!
Mario Borg
Nov 7th 2012, 06:24
We are back to the middle ages, what is going on, we boast that we are not a third world country because we have internet and cell phones and the boom look what the politicians do. We are a third world country in mentality if not in monetary value.
Mr l Azzopardi
Nov 7th 2012, 05:22
What a load of rubbish! This law is out of touch with science and is a direct insult to the people who need assistance. Ignoring years of scientific progress and studies whilst dictating unilaterally religio-political conservatism ... THAT is immoral!
Jean-Pierre Farrugia
Nov 7th 2012, 00:44
Agreement on thıs Bıll ıs a step ın the rıght dırectıon. None the less seven comments so far are all very negatıve. Ova vıtrıfıcatıon scıentıfıc developments have made restrıctıve legıslatıon worth tryıng. Only tıme wıll tell ıf lıke ın Italy, legıslatıon wıll have to change. I sıncerely wısh all elıgıble ınfertıle couples a succesful outcoıme.
konrad borg
Nov 6th 2012, 23:55
According to many of the commentators on this site any suggestion of embryo protection is met with the usual anti church bias. Are they saying that all people who value the unborn are Christian? If thats the case then their comments are a credit to the church. The desire for children does not justify freezing their siblings.
Frans Aguis
Nov 6th 2012, 23:34
I swear one day these people will start preaching creationism
David Caruana
Nov 7th 2012, 07:43
They're not that far already.
David Pace
Nov 6th 2012, 23:27
I particularly like the bit about an authority which decides whether a couple should have children and pray tell, who will be on the board of such an authority? Secular doctors or religious doctors? Maybe a priest or two so that it's really balanced? It's a totally medieval concept fomented by a government that wants to please the Church, that's all!
David Pace
Nov 6th 2012, 22:42
ask someone who had to go through IVF for their views!!!!!
WHY SHOULD PROSPECTIVE PARENTS HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE AUTHORITY? people that are forced to go through IVF actually want kids !!!!!!
what right is it of anyone especially an authority to decide the conception of a WANTED child, Are the Authorities trying to be GOD............wish this island would wake up !!!!!
B Ellul
Nov 6th 2012, 22:38
From the comments below I'm wondering why are you living in Malta.... the world is big enough for you to leave
David Caruana
Nov 7th 2012, 07:46
Because it is their country as much as it is yours. Today it's the bigots who find a 'comfortable' administration, tomorrow it will be the liberals.
So get ready B Ellul cause in the near future, you might want to relocate yourself.
Luke Scicluna
Nov 6th 2012, 22:20
A ridiculously biased bill.
Especially this bit here - Embryo freezing as part of IVF was being disallowed since this essentially meant that the development of embryos - or human beings - was being frozen.
Make the distinction between the two. Embryos are NOT human beings.
Jurgen Farrugia
Nov 6th 2012, 22:15
I agree with the bill in all ways except with the authority part. I think this shiuld be doctor patient confidentiality and one would be needed to go in front or the new authority in exceptional cases, like when more than 2 eggs need to be frozen or even more exceptional when the embryi needs to be frozen.
pat muscat
Nov 6th 2012, 21:34
Back to the middle ages, 'the authority' some five wise men, will decide whether couples should have full access to modern technology or not! Only in Malta.
Ronald Cauchi
Nov 6th 2012, 21:21
Another step back into the Middle Ages with the blessing of the Opposition.
Ramon Casha
Nov 6th 2012, 20:37
This bill is obsolete by over 3 decades. It is a major retrograde step worthy of a banana republic.
mark borg
Nov 6th 2012, 20:20
typical pn fundamentalisim.......
Lesley Kreupl
Nov 6th 2012, 20:14
How many of you arrogant, unfeeling members of the male species have ever known the desperation and longing to have a child and then when medical science has finally got so far to give you at least a chance, to have it slashed by a bunch of holier-than-thou priests and politicians? Shame on you!
I have been there, so I do know what I am talking about!
Joseph Bajada
Nov 7th 2012, 03:31
Well said..i am a male supporting ivf because a chance at happiness is always better than the longing for child.
Wenzu Vella
Nov 7th 2012, 05:59
Dear Lesley. This goes to show that there is no separation between Church and State in Malta. The pollies are still very frightened from the Church and the Right to Life. For those who can afford it they can seek help overseas and this is sure to include families with a strong connection with well to do politicians.
Mr Tim Ripard
Nov 6th 2012, 20:11
'Human life starts from fertilisation' says one. 'In the natural process 80% of fertilised eggs do not implant' says the other. Surely it would be more accurate to say 'life begins when the egg implants'.
C Bartolo
Nov 6th 2012, 20:48
Not at all. Life DOES start at fertilisation. The fact is that many fertilised eggs do not implant in nature, and many early embryos are lost just because of this.
Chris Vella
Nov 6th 2012, 22:23
wow....what is exactly the rationale behind your claim?? So those women who have an ectopic pregnancy are not carrying a living child.....Just brilliant Profs!
David Caruana
Nov 7th 2012, 07:53
Profs Vella, can you tell us how many ectopic pregnancies result in the successful delivery of a healthy child?
Chris Vella
Nov 7th 2012, 09:01
What's the point?? does that mean that prior to implantation it is a mere piece of meat?? Why don't you go and tell all those mothers who lost their children that you think that nothing happened because there was nothing there? why can't you not argue about potentiality instead of hiding behind cell biology.....which by the way has become warped around finding utilitarian excuses.
David Caruana
Nov 7th 2012, 10:18
My point is that you found the worse example to support your argument.
Now a question for you...
If life does indeed start at conception, why isn't there any funeral after a miscarriage?
Chris Vella
Nov 7th 2012, 14:42
Dear David, 1st of all a funeral or other ceremony doesn't infer any dignity, so you are embarking on a slippery slope argument. However they do hold a collective funeral for all aborted or miscarried foetuses! It occurs on all saints day at Addolorata.
Hope I answered your questions. Cheers!!
David Farrugia
Nov 6th 2012, 20:01
If IVF existed in the middle ages, the law would have read something like what is being proposed.
Dr. David Pollina
Nov 6th 2012, 19:35
This is what happens when government intrudes into the medical relationship between doctor and patient. Total religious-based rubbish.
Tony Borg
Nov 6th 2012, 19:27
This is an obsolete IVF law.....science has already surpassed the thinking of this law.
For a couple like us who need IVF the only hope is to go abroad..
Malicia Dabrowicz
Nov 6th 2012, 21:14
Thats the whole point of this bill. To make it impossible for Maltese to use it. So only the richer couples can go abroad. And to pick on women, to derogate them. Well done to everybody involved. You are insane.
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