‘Dalli said ban on snus was absurd’
Silvio Zammit remains silent
John Dalli.
The Swedish tobacco manufacturer at the centre of the Dalligate scandal yesterday claimed John Dalli told a Maltese lawyer representing it that he thought the EU’s ban on snus – a smokeless tobacco product – was “absurd”.
Swedish Match told The Sunday Times that the former Commissioner appeared well informed about snus and “its health consequences”. It also claimed that on February 10 a key meeting took place between the company’s Maltese lawyer, Mr Dalli and the middleman at the centre of the scandal, Silvio Zammit.
The former Nationalist minister was forced to resign as EU Health Commissioner earlier this month following a probe by the EU’s anti-fraud agency, OLAF.
The agency concluded there was “unambiguous circumstantial evidence” showing Mr Dalli was aware that Mr Zammit had asked Swedish Match for a substantial amount of money in return for the ban being lifted.
Swedish Match said the lawyer had told the company that Mr Dalli said during the meeting that he had “the will, the arguments and the Commission’s support to lift the ban on snus, but also that it would mean political suicide for him”.
The lawyer also told Swedish Match Mr Dalli mentioned he was willing to take unpopular decisions, as long as science supported it.
After making this statement, Swedish Match claims, Mr Dalli left the meeting and Mr Zammit then allegedly told the lawyer that such a difficult and risky decision required substantial compensation, which was later elaborated into a figure of €60 million.
These details form part of a dossier that the company had passed on in May to the European Commission when it flagged the matter at EU level and emerges from an extensive chronological explanation, which came in response to a series of questions by The Sunday Times.
When contacted, Mr Dalli did not react to the specific claim that he said the ban on snus was absurd or that he had the will and Commission support to lift the ban on snus. However, he flatly denied such a meeting took place.
“There was no meeting with the lawyer on February 10. This was corroborated even by OLAF in the interview they had with me. Therefore anything the Snus people are spinning on this is completely false,” he said.
He added he may have said at some point that he does not shy from unpopular decisions if they are supported by independent World Health Organisation science, but this only strengthened the arguments he had been making since this case hit the headlines.
In its replies to this newspaper, Swedish Match said that it never understood who had invited Mr Zammit to the meetings, raising questions about his middleman role.
When asked if this meant the Maltese lawyer had corresponded directly with Mr Dalli, Swedish Match spokeswoman Rupini Bergstrom said the company did not have that information.
“We have never initiated a contact with the Maltese entrepreneur. We have consistently said that we were approached via our consultant by him,” she said.
On the other hand, Mr Dalli said: “I believe that it was Silvio who invited the lawyer to the meeting not the other way round.”
Mr Zammit has refused to comment on the case at all, while repeated attempts over a week to contact the Maltese lawyer have so far proved unsuccessful.
Meanwhile, Mr Dalli has restated his claim there was Maltese involvement in the circumstances leading to his resignation.
On TVM’s programme Dissett yesterday evening, Mr Dalli said he was convinced there was Maltese involvement. Previously, he had only gone as far as saying there may have been.
He even cast doubts on the role of Rita Schembri, the director general of the Internal Audit and Investigations Department within the Office of the Prime Minister, who forms part of five members of the Supervisory Committee of the European Anti-Fraud Office (OLAF).
Mr Dalli said she had been a part of the OLAF investigations and was even present during questioning that took place in Malta. He said her position on the supervisory committee was compromised by the fact that she took part in the investigation.
Ms Schembri excused herself during discussions on the Dalli case at the committee but Mr Dalli suggested she should not have been involved in the investigation in any way.
No smoke without fire?
Tobacco company Swedish Match, which set the ball rolling on the EU investigation leading to John Dalli’s resignation, has responded to questions by The Sunday Times with a detailed chronology of events.
Mark Micallef chronicles the highlights.
• January 6
The Maltese lawyer representing Swedish Match in Malta reported she had met John Dalli and Silvio Zammit on this day.
She pitched the scientific, legal and tax benefit underpinning the company’s argument that the EU’s snus ban was unjustified and unfair. She said Mr Dalli mentioned he was willing to take unpopular decisions, as long as science supported them.
He was also receptive to receiving more information, especially, independent World Health Organisation science.
Mr Zammit was there too but the company says “it is not clear who invited him”. Neither the company nor ESTOC (European Smokeless Tobacco Council) paid him for the meeting.
Swedish Match and the female lawyer agreed she should meet Mr Dalli a second time to hand over further WHO scientific material related to the health effects of snus.
• February 10
Mr Dalli denies he met the lawyer or any other snus lobbyist on this day or at any date after January 6 but Swedish Match insists their lawyer told the company she attended a second “odd” meeting on this day with both Mr Dalli and Mr Zammit.
Again, the company said it is unclear who had invited Mr Zammit to this meeting.
The lawyer said Mr Dalli appeared well informed about snus, its health consequences, “and expressed clearly that the ban on snus was absurd”.
Mr Dalli was also reported by the lawyer as saying “he had the will, the arguments and the Commission’s support to lift the ban on snus”, but that it would be political suicide for him to do so.
Eventually, he left the meeting. It was at this point that Mr Zammit allegedly said Mr Dalli wanted compensation for lifting the ban.
• February 13
A Swedish Match official (unnamed by the company) flew over and together with the Maltese lawyer met Mr Zammit.
Mr Zammit allegedly repeated a request he made to the lawyer on February 10, but gave more details concerning price and conditions. He proposed a meeting between Mr Dalli and a top official from Swedish Match who would bring a part of the total price (€10 million) for lifting the snus ban. Mr Dalli would then explain how he would proceed to make this possible. The rest (€50 million) would be paid after the ban was lifted.
• February 18
Mr Zammit tried to contact ESTOC on the chairman’s e-mail, asking him to call back as he had something “interesting to talk to you about”. The message ended up with secretary general Inge Delfosse, who asked Mr Zammit to set out the services he was offering in an e-mail. At this time she had not been informed of the offer made to Swedish Match.
• February 21
Swedish Match informed its Maltese lawyer to reject Mr Zammit’s offer.
• February 24
The firm informed the Swedish Government about the offer.
• March 8
Mr Zammit contacted Ms Delfosse by e-mail and proposed a meeting with Mr Dalli. On March 16, Ms Delfosse returned his e-mail and asked how much he would charge.
When Patrik Hildingsson (vice-president public affairs, Swedish Match and chairman of ESTOC) learnt about this he told Ms Delfosse to be very careful with Mr Zammit as he had made an “indecent” offer to Swedish Match.
Mr Hildingsson did not inform anyone else within ESTOC.
• March 29
Mr Zammit contacted Ms Delfosse again by phone and offered to fix a high-level meeting in which the proposal to lift the ban was guaranteed. He restated the terms through which a deposit would be paid in an initial meeting. Swedish Match informed the Swedish Government of this second approach.
• April 2012
Swedish Match started collecting all the material, documents, e-mails and meeting reports it had, together with its lawyers.
• Mid-May 2012
Swedish Match submitted the facts to the European Commission and the Commission immediately responded by alerting the EU’s anti-fraud agency to the issue.
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Joe Portelli
Oct 28th 2012, 21:18
White man magic - make bad man go !
Game Over , whatever the truth is, the result is the verdict and no explanation can ever change history.
Sorry, the five minutes of fame run out for everyone - used good / bad or wasted but they come to some kind of end.
The End Have some consideration for your successor and Malta's reputation.
Grumpy Old Man.
Karl Consiglio
Oct 28th 2012, 19:42
Well its true it is absurd.
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Oct 28th 2012, 16:38
Just crossed my mind. Swedish Match had a problem with the Commission in Brussels. It is said that the businessman sprang from nowhere. But why did they seek a young Maltese lawyer ? No legal business was being transacting in Malta, under Maltese law. Answering my own question,the Swedes speak Swedish, but the lawyer and JD speak Maltese. Who contacted whom? Not so innocent contact !
C Muscat
Oct 28th 2012, 16:07
What is clear to me is this, why these tobacco people continued to involve zammit. you need the middleman for the introduction.
A valid agreement needs offer, total acceptance and money, Here we hve the most tangible factor missing ie money.
Do not take long to publish the report. I hope that the tobacco people; the maltese lawyer with conflict of interest and me zammit are being investigated.
Mark Cassar
Oct 28th 2012, 16:01
What Swedish Match are claiming is totally disparate with what John Dalli has actually been negotiating as part of the European Commission to get the Tobacco Directive off the ground. The company has nothing to lose and everything to gain from all of this. That to me says it all.
R. Cilia
Oct 28th 2012, 15:26
One question keeps coming to my mind. Why does not Dalli reveal the female lawyer's name?
Simon Oosterman
Oct 28th 2012, 14:40
Dalli is right at least about one thing, a ban on snuss is absurd.
J Martinelli
Oct 28th 2012, 14:31
The strategy is simple, confuse minds, contradict one another, declare information as 'not available', lie and sow doubts.
Under these circumstances the EU had no options but to let Dalli go and seek to fill his vacant position with someone else.
The decision on snus arrived at and agreed by the EU will only be published bearing the signature of the new Comm and not a controversial Ex-Comm.
Pamela Hansen
Oct 28th 2012, 14:13
Read " The Runaway Jury" by John Gresham to get to know a little of what goes on in the lobbying world of tobacco. It is fiction, but the fact that a lawyer seems to be a central witness in the Dalli case adds to the intrigue.
Victor Zammit
Oct 28th 2012, 14:39
Not only that, but when the book turned into film the plot changed from cigarette to arms manufacture. Why?
Lynn Zahra
Oct 28th 2012, 15:07
Pamela, I too get the feeling that Swedish Match have been reading too much fiction lately.
It will not have escaped you that all that the Maltese lawyer supposedly reported back to Swedish Match is nothing but "Hearsay", right ?
Because One needn't be a lawyer to realize that hearsay evidence can sail through without being questioned only in movies/ spy novels.
Anthony A. Mifsud
Oct 28th 2012, 15:16
Weldone you hit the target bulls eye, Ms Hansen
Ninu
Joseph Borg
Oct 28th 2012, 13:24
If John Dalli had the arguments and the Commission’s support to lift the ban on snus”, why would it be political suicide for him to do so?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Oct 28th 2012, 17:13
And why did Swedish Match need to enter into bribery dealings with Silvio Zammit? Swedish Match declarations are an insult to our intelligence. Perhaps they think that beside being morally inferior to the Swedes, Mediterranean people are also congenitally deficient, intellectually.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Oct 28th 2012, 12:38
The important factor is not what Dalli is alleged to have said in an unknown context. It is what Dalli actually succeeded in doing to further the progress of the Tobacco Directive. He pushed it forward steadily until the SwedishMatch- Olaf combined efforts succeeded in stalling the process and will keep it stalled for heaven knows how long.
Ronnie Callus
Oct 28th 2012, 13:14
That was their aim and succeeded to make more money and kill more smokers.
Mike Hunt
Oct 28th 2012, 13:54
It is important to know what Dalli did because if he played dirty he must be held accountable. Although it seems that in the world of Fracis Saliba M.D. anything PN is to be held sacred and above any scrutiny.
Edgar Gatt
Oct 28th 2012, 14:11
Mike Hunt, are you still believing that John Dalli has anything to do with the PN. He is completely out of the PN.
G Schembri
Oct 28th 2012, 14:38
The only party to gain from all this is the tobacco industry. I wonder if we will see more resignations in connection with this issue.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Oct 28th 2012, 17:00
@MikeHunt.
There is no such thing as "the world of Francis Saliba MD". There is the unbiased world of a reputable medical journal The Lancet and of the MEP members of the budgetary control committee alleging lack of transparency regarding Dalli's forced resignation and the obscure deals between OLAF and the tobacco industry to prevent loss of income through the contraband in cigarettes.
Mike Hunt
Oct 28th 2012, 18:18
@Francis Saliba M.D. I could find no double-blind placebo-controlled randomized study in the Lancet on anything Dalli or PN. Assuming you are referring to the editorial of 10 years ago toying with the idea of a complete ban on tobacco- the same journal who was quick to publish the now infamous mmr hoax. Whilst quoting studies, what do you think of the UKDPC's 6 year study on decriminalisation?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Oct 28th 2012, 19:03
If you knew anything about double-blind, placebo, cross-over trials you would know that they are inapplicable to the OLAF-Swedish Match-Dalli problem.
No I am not referring to any ten year old medical experiment. I am referring to the current Lancet article criticising the stalling of the tobacco directive by OLAF o.b.o.the tobacco industry.
Please stop splashing about and stick to the subject.
Mike Hunt
Oct 28th 2012, 22:27
Ah ... hadn't seen the Lancet's latest press statements. In any case, this is becoming a bit tired now. For the record I hate the tobacco industry and lobby. Nicotine is such a pointless and addictive drug. It's not like cannabis which at least gives you a high.
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Oct 28th 2012, 12:29
One thing that is boggling my mind is the fact that John Dalli felt that he had to first phone directly Joseph Muscat right after the presentation of his resignation to Mr. Barroso!
Why?
Why Joseph Muscat?
JC.
Ronnie Callus
Oct 28th 2012, 13:18
Why ???? Mr.Joseph Cauchi Seniour. It's a straight forward answer. Because Mr.Dalli has no trust in others in governance. He already had a similar ordeal .
Joe Calleja
Oct 28th 2012, 13:32
May I ask Mr. Joseph Cauchi Seniior who told him, or from where he got this alleged info? Maybe I missed this piece of news.
G Schembri
Oct 28th 2012, 14:40
John Dalli informed Joseph Muscat - who in case you don't know is the leader of the opposition- after he informed the Prime Minister who already knew. You should have followed Disset properly yesterday.
Joseph Brincat
Oct 28th 2012, 14:53
Joseph Cauchi Senior
@ boggling my mind is the fact that John Dalli felt that he had to first phone directly Joseph Muscat
HE phone Joseph Muscat and Gonzi
Silvan Said
Oct 28th 2012, 12:23
Unnamed lawyer making such serious accusations. Unnamed official from Swedish Match flying over. Officials with conflicts of interest. A real whodunnit!
Joseph Aquilina
Oct 28th 2012, 11:24
For you anything reflects badly on PN ... even if it tomorrow is a cloudy day reflects badly on PN for you!!! Dalli is playing his cards as best as he can. From one side he wants the case to continue. From the other side he is insinuating that any court action against him is politically motivated! Lejber media obviously cares not about the truth, but just about the allegations dalli is doing.
Joseph E Briffa
Oct 28th 2012, 16:35
What's the connection between Dalli and PN? Dalli said on Incontri that he is not on good terms with the PN. What a revelation!.
j brincat
Oct 28th 2012, 11:07
What the Maltese people in their majority (as evidenced by the TOM online poll) want is for the OLAF report to be published asap and then we can come to our own conclusion - we need no spoon feeding!
(jb)
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Oct 28th 2012, 10:45
Just imagine if these actors belonged to the PL. What would the PN have made of all this. Guilty or not, this reflects badly on the PN and no other party. Not to mention Malta.
Joseph Brincat
Oct 28th 2012, 10:45
WHO IS LYING ??
This is getting too complicated for us
so we should leave it to the court
to decide the outcome
Victor Borg
Oct 28th 2012, 10:37
This has damaged Malta's credability and the government should do its utmost to clear John Dalli's name.I feel the prime minister was in too much of a hurry to replace Mr. Dalli.
Ronnie Callus
Oct 28th 2012, 10:57
@ Victor Borg;
Naqbel mieghek perfettament Sur.Borg. Dr.Gonzi ghadu ma' qallx kellma wahda fuq dan il-kaz. Spiccajna li wara li hadulna l-glekk issa anke il-qalziet se' johdulna. Hemm bzonn li nuru li ahna mahniex GIFA. Dr.Dalli la qed jghid ghandu ragun ghandu jibqa jiggieled sa' l-ahhar ghall fama tieghu u ta' PAJJIZNA.
Paul Caruana
Oct 28th 2012, 10:32
At least we are now moving into the specifics of this very strange case. All these statements, coming from all over the place, will need to be considered in a court of law - the sooner the better.
paul camilleri
Oct 28th 2012, 10:59
Mr Caruana
as far as i can tell we are no closer in knowing the truth since the first day Comm Dalli was forced out of being a Commissioner.
what you are hearing is a load of hogwash comming from ALAUGH (Olaf) side as for Comm Dalli he is taking things at a steady pace and in as much silence as possible so he can surprise everyone with his innocence.
Ronnie Callus
Oct 28th 2012, 10:27
Till this saga commenced a lawyer representing the 'Snus' company has been mentioned but by to-day no name has been given, also whether is a male or female lawyer. Why all this and why both Mr.Ch.Zammit and the lawyer didn't comment anything? Could it be that there is a hidden agenda ? I don't think that Mr.Dalli is so mad to keep fighting for his legitimate rights.
John Zammit
Oct 28th 2012, 13:13
@ Ronnie callus According to Mr Dalli she was a young layer and only wanted to know what the directives says
paul camilleri
Oct 28th 2012, 10:16
the deeper it goes the more ridiclous its gets, if Comm Dalli is refruting point blank that he was NOT involved in a meeting that took place FEB 10th why is the lawyer insisting that there was? is this the catch that ALAUGH is taking as hard evidence? and who is this misterious female SNUS Maltese lawyer? how did she even get involved with SNUS in the first place? interesting
Charles Sammut
Oct 28th 2012, 10:08
"No smoke without fire?"....in the island in the sun....Miracles happen all the time....always plenty of smoke without fire! Me thinks this happens because all the manure which abounds on the island and most especially which emanates from the politicians' mouths and generates the smoke which is choking the island and of course US the VOTERS!
...and the beat gos on...and the beat goes on.....
Mr J Xerri
Oct 28th 2012, 09:43
... and who is this lawyer? What is her/his reaction to all that is being said about her/his participation in this affair? Is there any specific reason her/his name is not being made public?
Mario Scicluna
Oct 28th 2012, 09:41
''Swedish Match told The Sunday Times that the former Commissioner appeared well informed about snus and “its health consequences”.
No wonder Swedish match fabricated all this mess, they wanted John Dalli removed from the scene completely, even humiliated! These powerful forces will stop at nothing, OLAF and Barroso swallowed it!
This coordinated evil plan, manipulated at the very top!
Mike Hunt
Oct 28th 2012, 10:34
Shouldn't conclusions be left to a thorough investigation to draw? Are you privy to more facts for you Dalli? If not, then you're speculating.
For all I know, or care, the above could be fact. Or it could have been all made up by officials at Swedish Match. Or it could, say, be the lawyer and Zammit working together on defrauding SM of 10M unbeknownst to JD.
Robert Agius
Oct 28th 2012, 09:34
'No smoke without fire?'..now, where have a heard that before.....
Patrick Zammit
Oct 28th 2012, 09:33
Question 1. If Dalli was convinced of the Commission's support, why did he consider the move to legalize the product as "political suicide"?
Question 2. Why is the Government (including the Minister responsible for L Councils) together with the COP being so silent? The COP was very forthcoming when faced with allegations concerning a horse.
m. borg (slm)
Oct 28th 2012, 09:30
Why is it that something new is published on a daily basis, why this latest "supposedly" statement by John Dalli that the ban un snus is absured surfaced now almost two weeks after Dalli's forced resignation.?
Why didn't this malteselawyer say these things earlier?
Is she lying as part of her job or making things up in order to fatten her paypack?
Please choose the reason of your report below: