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Monday, September 24, 2012 by

Ivan Camilleri

FKNK denies report on its meeting with the PL

Times publishes audio of statements

 Updated Monday 6.12 p.m.

The FKNK this afternoon denied sections of a report carried in yesterday's The Sunday Times where it was reported that the Labour Party has promised hunters it will amend legislation regulating the spring and autumn hunting seasons as well as the number of birds which can be shot.

Joe Perici Calascione told The Sunday Times that a Labour Party technical committee had confirmed that proposed changes are possible under a Labour Government.

The FKNK recently requested a revision of the current framework legislation regulating hunting with a particular emphasis on a tenfold increase in the bag limit.

The law hammered out between the Government and the European Commission had established an annual 20,000 bag limit of turtle doves and quails. According to the FKNK, this can be increased to about 200,000 per year without prejudicing EU laws.

When asked whether Labour has already agreed to these changes, Mr Perici Calascione said: "Labour's technical people agree with our proposals and told us this is possible and that they will change things in accordance with EU rules."

"There is consensus between us and Labour that we will move forward on this proposal. However, I am speaking on technical terms and not on political terms," he said.

Labour's spokesman on Home Affairs and avid hunter Michael Falzon is believed to be on the party's technical team. When contacted, Dr Falzon refused to provide any details, saying it was not remit and he asked the newspaper to contact Leo Brincat, the party's spokesman on the environment.

However, Mr Brincat said hunting does not really fall under his remit as "present and future policy" on hunting is delegated to a technical committee presided over by Stefan Zrinzo Azzopardi, the party's president.

When asked to confirm whether the party has made specific promises to the FKNK, the Director of Communications confirmed regular meetings had been held "with the aim of streamlining hunting and trapping rules in accordance with EU legislation".

The current framework legislation on hunting was enacted in 2010 following a European Court judgment in which Malta was found guilty of breaching EU legislation during the first years of its accession. But it also permitted a 'limited' and 'restrictive' spring hunting season.

The first framework legislation, which suggested a three-week restricted season in spring, had to be watered down by the Maltese authorities after infringement procedures were initiated by Brussels.

Commission sources and pro-environment lobby groups warned Malta could once again be in hot water if the current framework legislation is amended.

"It is clear to us that what is being promised to hunters cannot be achieved. However, we are not surprised with these political promises on the eve of an election," Birdlife Malta's president Joe Mangion said.

The FKNK is also insisting that the Government applies a derogation to the EU's Birds Directive to allow the trapping of songbirds during the ongoing autumn season. Infringement procedures have already been launched against Malta on this issue.

Sources said that although the Government is still toying with the idea of permitting some kind of trapping, it first wants to make sure that any future derogation fully respects the restrictions of EU laws and particularly the ECJ's judgment against Malta.

FKNK DENIAL

The FKNK in a statement issued today denied sections of the above  report. In view of the federation's declarations, The Sunday Times is uploading the recording of the statements made by Mr Perici Calascione (Hear audio by clicking on the photo arrow above)

In its statement, the FKNK said:

The Federation for Hunting & Conservation – Malta (FKNK) refers to the article published in the issue of the Sunday Times of the 23rd. September 2012 (and on its internet portal) wherein it was stated that: "The Labour Party has promised hunters it will amend legislation regulating the spring and autumn hunting seasons as well as the number of birds which can be shot, according to the hunters' federation president"

"This article in both its factual content and in the corresponding implications is, in its most important aspects misleading, untrue and incorrect. This 'right-of-reply' media release is precisely being made to clarify matters and state the truth, as the FKNK has always done:

- The FKNK President NEVER made the above statement;

- The fact that the FKNK has been involved in continuous discussions with representatives of the Labour Party on a technical basis has been publicly stated before and is no secret. The same can be said for meetings that have resumed with the Nationalist Party, also on a technical platform. The FKNK has always and will continue to do its utmost to safeguard the rights of its thousands of members and such meetings (as is the case with meetings on other areas represented by their respective associations and entities) normally culminate close to general elections time in official declarations issued by the FKNK on the position of both parties on the issue; no more, no less;

- The FKNK has NOT recently requested revision of hunting and trapping regulations with any emphasis on a tenfold increase in the bag limit. The FKNK has been requesting revision of regulations, including to the 2010 framework legislation, since enactment of Legal Notice 79 of 2006, and NEVER made any emphasis on a tenfold increase in the bag limit. This 'tenfold increase' is nothing short of a manipulation of an FKNK Press Conference address of the 10th instant, which can be accessed from: http://www.huntinginmalta.org.mt/uploads/53/865/Press_Konf_ECJ_anniv_10-09-12.pdf .

Whilst it is not clear as to what occasioned the grave misrepresentation of facts contained in this article, the extent of such misrepresentation is very substantial and goes well beyond what may normally be acceptable and thus required immediate redress. FKNK would like to think that the incorrectness of this article is not occasioned by any particular underlying agenda which has nothing to do with the facts at issue.

To try to warp facts and statements to make them sound blatantly in favour of one political party or another is not really sound journalism and if this article is anything to go by, then the FKNK feels sympathy for our citizens that are only being fed sensational elements interpreted in a manner that aspire to reach the agenda of a particular journalist or other.

In view of the implications of various incorrect and untrue statements in this article, the FKNK will be seeking legal advice in order to safeguard its interests and those of its members."

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Joe Grech

Mar 6th, 16:50

Min qallek li l-kampanja hija taghkom......halli inkun ghall xi passigata u tigi twaqqafni int, sur joe sammut.

Brian Gatt

Sep 25th 2012, 12:11

As you can see from above PL never promised, it was just an innocent misinterpretation of the facts without any hidden agendas...or not !!

Mr Andrew Camilleri

Sep 25th 2012, 12:55

Sultana: then I presume you will not be voting PN either as the PN has been bending over backwards, risking Malta incurring huge fines, just to to please the hunters and trappists. The Pn government has also been very weak on enforcement. The only party that is clearly against hunting is AD.

Eddy Privitera

Sep 25th 2012, 13:11

Anthony Sultana: Il-PL dejjem ql li r-regolamenti jridu jkunu konformi mar-regolamenti tal-UE. Mela kull ma qieghed taghmel huwa biss tixwix bla bazi ta' xejn !

Lucas Micallef

Sep 25th 2012, 09:58

Do you know that 1.2 billion chickens are consumed each day in the world?
And 150.4 million cattle are consumed every year in the US alone?
And how much sea food is consumed each day?

Hunting is not the killing. But its a way of life.

Emanuel Curmi

Sep 25th 2012, 12:39

Dear Mr. Micallef. There is a cardinal difference between the consumption of poultry and the senseless killing of birds to still an addiction. It may be a way of life but that alone is no justification to take what is basically a national and international natural resource, especially in a civilized society. You really have to explain 'hunting is not the killing' part. You may be immune to the slaughter but please consider that others may have a justified objection to this kind of pointless killing, just to satisfy a personal craving.

Eddy Privitera

Sep 25th 2012, 13:12

Emmanuel Curmi: Min jaf kieku INT gejt tigiega jew baqra x'kont tghid ?????

Emanuel Curmi

Sep 26th 2012, 10:05

Dear Mr. Privitera, being a chicken or a cow, I will definitely not like it but unless one can provide the multitudes with alternative nourishment it is a necessary evil while hunting in Malta is a capricious one. One also has to keep in mind that our natural resources should never be exploited by individuals for their own selfish aims and has to be strictly regulated. Despite the existing laws, Malta is notoriously lax in enforcement which leads to widespread abuses in the form of illegal hunting and that makes the situation unacceptable. One should also mentioned that Malta also lags behind all other EU states in terms of bio diversity and as in the case of renewable energy, we also have obligations to address and improve on that issue.

Andrew Portelli

Sep 25th 2012, 09:28

Well Said Lucas

Brian Gatt

Sep 25th 2012, 12:13

Read the above....PL never made any promises....it was a journalistic misinterpretation thats all.

Eddy Privitera

Sep 25th 2012, 13:14

G. Buttigieg: Miskin, ghalik mela l-importanti fl-elezzjoni se tkun il-kacca, hux ? Hallina, tahseb li se tidhak b'xi hadd ???

Emanuel Curmi

Sep 27th 2012, 15:01

Dear Mr. Privitera. Actually it clearly shows that the PL does not consider the price too high in order to reach the pinnacle of power. What makes you think they will behave any differently in other issues. The electorate may be tired of the power mongering of the PN but voting for a change and get that same mentality is hardly a reason to jump from the pan into the fire. Miskin are those who are blinkered by partisan politics and the conviction that their party can do no wrong. Maybe being more critical of your party, instead of other contributors write, will help the PL -and PN - not to take their hard core support for granted and act more responsibly.

Brian Gatt

Sep 25th 2012, 12:15

Yes I agree but only after the FKNK and the PN issue a joint statement of what was agreed before the last election....I wont even go back to what was agreed in writing before the EU referendum.

Mr Andrew Camilleri

Sep 25th 2012, 12:57

One can ask - but will one get it? As you can read from the transcript it says clearly that the LP has promised nothing. I wonder what GonziPN is doing behind our backs with the hunters- like for example it did in the last elections with the Armier boat house owners.

Eddy Privitera

Sep 25th 2012, 13:17

Jay Oatman: If anybody had not said the truth about hunting and trapping, that was Dr. Eddie Fenech Adami and his deputy, Lawrence Gonzi, hen they promised, IN WRITING, that nothing would change with EU membership !!!!

Brian Gatt

Sep 25th 2012, 12:19

PL did not sell his soul to the hunters only to go back on his words after getting elected, the PN did so get your facts right Please!!!

and from what i read above the FKNK denied it ever even discussed the issue.

hallina George, in nies ma ghadekx tista tbellalhom ir-ross bil-labra ta!!!

Lucas Micallef

Sep 25th 2012, 10:01

For sure its not the persons who pick up snails from the country side, and excavate the rubble walls, and the ones who leave a ton of rubbish after a picnic......... They for sure don't GRACE the countryside.

Johnny Xerri

Sep 24th 2012, 21:25

Mr Borg...of course killing; farmed birds (chicken, turkey, quail, ducks, and the like), sheep, bovine, horses, pigs and other farmed animals is ok to you...maybe you feel better if someone else gets his hands dirty for you...

well I prefer doing it myself...I find no difference if it is killed in the field or in the slaughter house...however, some people are irrational enough to cry their eyes out if its killed in the field...yet engorge into a nice piece of meat if it has been farmed...there exists only one word for such people...that is 'extremist hypocrites'

Brian Gatt

Sep 25th 2012, 12:20

Says who...have you ever tasted roast quail in apricot sauce...delicious !!

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 24th 2012, 17:07

The end result is that the members are not subjected to a voting process and i repeat I have never received any invitation for members to submit their nomination There was never any efforts from FKNK to call for members to come forward. I receive practically an email or sms every week but never in connection to the committee formation.

KEVIN GALEA

Sep 24th 2012, 20:57

Sur Fenech Azzoppardi inti qed tighd li l-FKNK ir-Rabat harget favur partit politiku li skont int kien il-Partit Laburista. Din hi l-ikbar gidba u ha nighdlek ghaliex, inti SUPPOST issejah lilek innifsek kaccatur u in-natura tax-xoghol tieghk taghmel kuntat ma hafna kaccaturi.
Allura int qatt ma smajt xi kaccaturi igergru ghax l-FKNK qatt ha hadek pozizzjoni fuq partit politiku?
Sur Azzoppardi qatt ghidtilhom lil shabek il-kaccaturi li int qighed fl-ORNIS mhux man naha ta l-FKNK imma man naha tal-Gvern?
Sur Azzoppardi bniedem jisejjah KACCATUR ghax igawdi il-passatemp tieghu fil-kwiet mhux ghax JAGHMEL UZU PERSONALI MIL_KACCA.

Joe Tabone

Sep 24th 2012, 22:04

@ Henry Fenech Azzopardi,

I confirm your statement, I as a member of FKNK, I never received any invitation to submit nominations for participation in the committee!

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 25th 2012, 11:02

Jidher car sur Kevin Galea li jew ma kontx ir Rabat jew dak li intqal kien tant tajjeb ghal widnejk li l anqas biss indunajt xi kien qed jghid il President u Is Segretarju.
Jien kulhadd jaf li qied fuq l Ornis bhala referenza fuq kacca u nsib mghazul mill Gvern. Kemm ili f din il kariga hdimt biex gibt vantaggi li lanqas l FKNK ma ssoponew li stajt ngib. Dik is sena li int stajt tohrog tonsob ghal erba speci ta kacca jigiefieri l ganmiema, is summiena, l malvizz u il pluviera, L FKNK kien bil boycott ta L ORNIS. Ma hu hiiex fil karatru tieghi li nghoqod niftahar imma l kontribut tieghi wassal ukoll biex nkunu nistghu nohorgu fir rebbieha.
L interess tieghi huwa biss il kacca u mhux min sejjer ikun fil gvern. Ma nihux pjacir meta xi partit jinqeda bil kaccatur u nassab.
Kulhadd ghandu id dritt ghal kulur politiku tieghu u dan nirrespettah. Biex targumenta ma hemx ghalfejn titajjar.

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 25th 2012, 11:31

@ Joe Tabone
Thank you for confirming my statement. At least I not the only one. May I take this opportunity to invite other members to air their views with regards nomonations to the committee. I invite also those who have been contacted in writing to this effect.

Lino Farrugia

Sep 25th 2012, 13:04

To Mr. Henry Fenech Azzopardi and any other FKNK Member: The Association for Hunting & Conservation - Malta (Ghaqda originally) was transformed into a Federation because annual general meetings and any voting could not be held with as many as 10,000 persons. So the Federation system was adopted, where only appointed delegates from the different Malta and Gozo Districts can vote, including for the FKNK Council elections once every three years.

To give an example, if Mr. Henry Fenech Azzopardi is a Nationalist supporter, even 'tesserat', he still cannot vote for a PN leader unless he is an appointed delegate of the Party. Obviously, the PN cannot hold such meetings with all its thousands of supporters.

Having said that, Mr. Fenech Azzopardi, and any other FKNK member, is welcome to be nominated by another FKNK paid-up member and seconded by yet another if he desires to run for an FKNK Council member come next elections in 2014.

This FKNK business discussion will end here in as far as the FKNK is concerned. This is not the Forum for such discussions. Mr. Henry Fenech Azzopardi has always been very welcomed at the FKNK offices whenever he needed any information or wanted to discuss any details, and he, or any other member, are still so welcomed.

Finally, the undersigned would like to thank and appreciates the wisdom of the editor of these on-line comments, for removing insults which had been posted against me personally.

Lino Farrugia
Secretary General
FKNK

KEVIN GALEA

Sep 25th 2012, 14:38

Sur Azzoppardi jien kont ir-rabat u ghalekk qed nighd li int zbaljat, u dan jafuh hafna kaccaturi.
Fuq is-season ta April... lol nara il-kumenti tieghek jaqbadni id-dahk ha nighdlek LI KIEKU MA KIENITX L-FKNK LI ISSILTET MAL-QORTI TA L-EU KIEKU GHADNA KOPPI.
Henry int qed tighd li maghzul mil-gvern Malti bhala referenza, allura ma kontx kapaci is-sena l-ohra tiperswadi lil min qabdek li l-insib ghal pluviera stajna ingibu deroga bhall din is-sena. Allura int li gibt hafna affarijiet lol ma kontx kapaci din is-sena tiperswadi lil gvern li suppost javdak fil-pariri tieghek u tighdlu li-il-kwota li ghamel il-gvern din is-sena hija tad-dahk.

Sur Azzoppardi xi haga hazina hemm jew int mhux favur in-namra taghna jew il-gvern li qabdek f'din il-kariga qas jaghti kas il-pariri tieghek.

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 25th 2012, 23:01

@ Kevin Galea

GHallanqas ma ghidniex giddieb issa sirt zbajat. Kemm sejjer imqarraq jien naf kelma bkelma x"intqal fir Rabat u tghid xi tghid il verita toffendi.

Pero l izbah wahda hi li ftahart li kieku ma kienx l FKNK li sieltu fil qorti tal Europa kieku ghadna koppi. Jien inzied bicca ohra li kieku ma kontx jien li wittejt it triq biex l FKNK titla ma delegazjoni tal Gvern veru ghadna koppi.

Jiddispjacini li int titfa it tajn minghajr ma taf il fatti. Vera nithassrek imma ma hemx x'tghamel. Tista tikteb li trid ghax ma ghandix hinn aktar x'nahli.

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 27th 2012, 12:11

@ LINO FARRUGIA

With reference to the example given with regards to being a PN folllower and that I cannot vote because only the delegates are allowed to vote due to the thousands of PN supporters, I would advise that this comparison cannot be attributed in the FKNK set up.
The reason is that while the PN section delegates are fully operative and deliver, the FKNK hunting district delgates are dormant and non existant, and nowonder that there are never nominations and the same individuals endorse each other as FKNK Officials.

Finally I would like to end my comments on a positive note and state that if describing one's character is considered an insult than I apologise.

Wally Vella-Zarb

Sep 24th 2012, 20:28

What a sad comment!

Emanuel Curmi

Sep 26th 2012, 10:18

Mr. Wally Vella-Zarb, It is actually a factual comment and I agree that it is sad situation especially in this country. I can give you a whole list of examples where technical committees or task forces lacked the necessary credentials and expertise to come up with proper decision making in Malta. None of the 3 mentioned, have any sort of environmental credentials to even be on a technical committee, unless of course, the agenda includes how to sway the hunter's vote.

George Debono

Sep 24th 2012, 21:08

Vote Labour, my friend. Joseph will run up the steps of Castille, go to Gonzi's offi ce, put his legs on the desk, and say "i've arrived, I've reached my goal. Now go and do what you like. I don't care.

That's how the MLP will govern. Because frankly, there is no one, no brains, no plan, and not the slightest idea of how to do things. Mess will follow mess, and I guarantee that in two years' time we will be pounding on the EU's door for a bailout.

alex anastasi

Sep 25th 2012, 00:55

Live and let live, pls stop the killing and everybody is against hunting and be mature, I mean the fanatics hunters

J Martinelli

Sep 25th 2012, 01:43

You should default to the NP anyway, E Schembri not only because of the bird issue but the freezing of minimum wages, undoable promises such as reducing electricity prices, converting PS to gas (when 5 years down the road?) etc.

We used to say that the PL is 'for the birds', but it seems, not any more, since they want hunters to kill ten times more!

The only birds left (turkeys) will roost at the Mile End.

Brian Gatt

Sep 25th 2012, 12:38

@ George Debono, J Martinelli,

Dear PN supporters (Lackeys) thanks for existing you really make my day reading your comments, one is saying that we will be left in a mess and will be asking for a bailout in 2 years time - your know something we dont George? you have some information that the Govt figures are not real? the other is afraid of the minimum wage freezing and un-do able promisies - says who Martinelli, please tell me when it was the last time the minimum wage increased? the COLA increases do not count, how can you be so sure that the PL does'nt have the solution for reducing Electricity bills and Converting the Power Station to gas?

We on the other hand are sure that it was GonziPn who increased the utility bills, it is Gonzi Pn who is continously increasing the fuel, it was Gonzi Pn who got a Power Station that works on HFO (heavy fuel oil), it is Gonzi Pn who did not keep its promise to abolish the waiting list in Mater Dei, It was Gonzi Pn who promised 6000 jobs in Smart City but did not deliver...and I can go on and on.

I am presenting facts you are just bringing conjecture if you have facts bring them forward if not please stop trying to alarm the people, that is an old tactic and trust me it not happening

m. borg (slm)

Sep 24th 2012, 14:16

Agree 100%, like you I would love to see hunting a thing of the past but only through educating our young and not by stringent laws will this ever happen.

What really gets to me is the foreigners who come to Malta to butt their noses where it's not their business they have more important things to protest about in their rispective countries.

Hugh Jampton

Sep 24th 2012, 18:46

Sometimes those who thought their position was an unassailable right, by claiming it as a custom fell to the wishes of lesser beings.
The use of dogs in the hunting of mammals in the UK? now illegal.
If the so called federation actually got serious about the words 'protected species' and 'Endangered' and acted and was seen to be acting against such irresponsible people maybe there would be a glimmer of trust.
but no.. and that is why the pet hate of hunters, those foreigners are despised - unless of course they come, spend, mind their own business and go. Then of course we love them!!

m. borg (slm)

Sep 24th 2012, 10:44

What Perci calascione says is not bible truth, that is his interpretation of things, I am sure this subject will crop up during pre-electoral debates and then one can judge soberly.

A Cuschieri

Sep 24th 2012, 16:15

Lets hope we'll have concrete proposals to judge upon ...

m. borg (slm)

Sep 24th 2012, 10:43

Not at all it is only in your wishful thinking.

It is clear that PL will work with the hunters within the EU hunting laws framework as stated twivce in the article above, it seems you only read the headline and jotted down a silly sentence.

Read before you write, like you a lot of posters are missing the forest for the trees.

Richard Caruana

Sep 25th 2012, 07:47

@ m.borg(slm)

As usual, we get PL apologists trying to cover up for the PL's farce. This is what happens when a party promises everything to everyone, sooner or later the chickens come home to roost.

With this, and the freeze on the minimum wage, the PL already has its knickers in a twist. Can't wait until the electoral programme is published...

JJ Agius

Sep 24th 2012, 10:28

I think if Labour win it will be the goverment to decide not birdlife as it is now.Thats why hunters are loosers becase their judge is birdlife.So what do you expect! Are we democratc or not.Give one & all his due & most of the problems will go.
Gillinu

Andrew Gatt

Sep 24th 2012, 20:15

George, with all due respect and in all truth - the wildest roller coaster of a ride that hunters were subjected to was courtesy of the Nationalist Government that promised repeatedly (and in writing) that legal hunters and trappers would be BETTER OFF once we joined the EU.

As one of 77 Special Arrangements, no less.

The reality? A pathetic excuse for a Spring Season, songbird trapping banned, local restrictions galore, foreign abolitionists given the red-carpet treatment to exaggerate and sensationalise and on and on. As for the current bag limits, which are a 10th of that permitted under the Birds Directive, can you kindly enlighten me how the figure was agreed upon?

Perhaps over cocktails and canapes in Brussels by the usual anti-hunting suspects?

Noel Abela

Sep 24th 2012, 22:28

George yet again your comment is very hilarious. How do you have the nerve to accuse PL about taking the hunters for a ride. Have you really forgotten that it was your GonziPn who promised hunters that hunting would not be an issue, just before the EU referendum. Kemm ghandek memorja qasira jahasra. Please George better concentrate on what you can do best whatever that may be!!!!!!!!!

Johnny Xerri

Sep 24th 2012, 18:22

Mr Zammit,

Where I was is really not your business...however, if you really must know...this morning I was on the 6 am ferry heading to Malta...at 6:30 I was at cirkewwa heading to Valletta...at 7 am I was at work...at 14:00 I left work...is that enough for you to disolve me of any wrong doing!!!

I was not hunting...but heading for an honest days earning...why should I be penalised and made to bare the brunt for the wrong doing of others...when i was not even close to hunting....let alone poaching.

Now if I may ask...where did you happen to be...and why did you not call the police as soon as the illegal hunting started...you seem to witness a lot...and I hardly believe that you ever took action...otherwise the illegal hunting happening day in day out in the very same spots you witness (as you claim) so often would have been stamped out....if antis witness so much...all they would need is to inform the police of the 'hot spot' and I amsure that the police would do their utmost to catch the poacher (as more criminals ranked in...better performance appraisal for the police...better wage + better promotion opportunites)...

The way you very often address me...the very tone you use...the maltese as oppose to english (so that only maltese people understand you)...shows how much you are devoid of logical debating and how much factual arguments irk you.

D Borg

Sep 24th 2012, 19:16

Mr. Xerri,

Being a so called law abiding hunter as staying put, is not enough.

Especially when you are the first to attack CABs, BLM, and seek subtle excuses wherever reports and footage of hunting abuses are made public.

If you really want to continue hunting in a legal and sustanable manner, then you should take the initiative and get the peers that you really trust to be honest and of good faith, and establish your own monitoring teams to at least deter abuses and report them to the police preferably with film footage of the criminals involved so that they get what they deserve.

Expecting the ALE to comb teh islands for such abuses, especially considering that both main political parties are unwilling to do anything that might cross the shortsighted FKNK, is obviously naive - which I'm sure you are not.

Glenn Micallef

Sep 24th 2012, 21:08

Mr Xerri, for once I partially agree with you: "I was not hunting...but heading for an honest days earning...why should I be penalised and made to bare the brunt for the wrong doing of others...when i was not even close to hunting....let alone poaching." That statement is very true. However, and deep down you know it, the poaching problem is rising again, and that could be attributed to the forthcoming elections, maybe, just maybe. This a fact. A hunter friend of mine just related how last Sunday a low honey buzzard approached him and his uncle, bum (ghax minn hawn hadd ma jarani), they SKINNED it immediately and used her chest to make a broth. He than related how 3 people he knew told him they killed many falcons, and than they BURNED them to eliminate the evidence. This is reality, it is happening around us. It is not your fault but it is useless denying it. Most maltese hunters are poachers. Law abiding hunters should deal with it, a couple of ALE teams and CABS teams can do nothing to control it. If you really cared, you would help to eradicate these idiots not deny it, and try to hide, or try to get CABS out of here because they expose it. You stand to gain, as the first step in solving any problem is acknowledging its existence. But you will have none of that....

Steve Zammit

Sep 25th 2012, 13:41

Well said Glenn,,,,bull's eye comment

Mr Joe Camilleri

Sep 24th 2012, 09:08

Mr R Mallia,
why don't you take a lesson in democracy. If you do not agree with something, it does not mean that you should abolish it.

HUNTING IS PRACTISED WORLD WIDE.

JJ Agius

Sep 24th 2012, 10:36

Do you think he will do the same mistake of Alfred Sant?His promise is that he will be above both birdlife & the hunters & give both their dues.That what Democracy means. As it is Birdlife rules the goverment.One
of the biggest mistakes PN.did taking the hunters for a ride.I think JM.is clever enough to give every one his due!
Gillinu

roberto bordino

Sep 24th 2012, 07:02

Prosit Philip. You have summed up this whole sorry business perfectly

Joseph Fenech

Sep 23rd 2012, 21:06

Ghaliex Gonzi mhux ha jaghmel l-istess? Fil politika kulhadd ha jwieghed kollox biex mbaghad jwettaq il ftit.. pero nispera li ma jkunx hawn partit iehor li jisraq lil poplu 500 fil gimgha kif ghamel dan il gvern!

Steve Zammit

Sep 24th 2012, 08:47

Conservation? the only thing they conserve is their hobby, besides that no one gives a hoot about birds

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 22:24

after the guarantees that EFA, Simon Busutill, and Pn gave to the hunters....and which guarantees never materialised...but exactly the opposite happened....im afraid that the answer to your question is a big YES

Mark Ellul

Sep 23rd 2012, 20:29

No , gonzi pn did last time give a guarantee . And look what happened

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 18:15

With all due respect...Mr Azzopardi...you know very well what hunting was like under PL govt & under PN...even prior to EU membership...the PN had cut seasons short and enforced legislation that went beyond obligations at the time.

One cannot be a PN promoter...and a hunter...

Your PN gave us 5 half days in 2010...FKNK challanged this and PN who at the time had said that this was the maximum allowable extended this to 3 weeks in 2011 & 2012.

Mr Azzopardi...every hunter knows that some people have a political agenda...that comes before their hunting agenda...and every hunter knows who such peole are....so lets keep it at that.

Mr Anthony Formosa

Sep 23rd 2012, 18:32

Are you serious, FKNK never sided and never took a stand with any party, they only advised the consequences once we join the EU contrary to the written guarantees. The last election took place few weeks before opening the season with many promises coming from the PN that the season will open as usual ask Dr Simon Busuttil.

There's no need to remind the hunters, they had enough, restriction on the bag limit, banning afternoon hours, afternoon bans on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays. 50 euros to hunt for 13 days. and more.

Chris Xuereb

Sep 23rd 2012, 18:57

@JX "every hunter knows that some people have a political agenda...that comes before their hunting agenda...and every hunter knows who such peole are....so lets keep it at that" ,
Nice threat, the welfare of birds is on the world agenda & not their destruction so keep hoping anyone wants your hobby to improve or even exist.

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 23rd 2012, 19:02

@ Johnny Scerri

There is no point to go for pre referendum issues. The fact is that we are now iwthin the EU and no matter what we have to comply with its directives. My main concern is that in Maltese we say IDARDARX L ILMA LI TRID TIXROB MINNU. and consequently it is absurd for the FKNK to be attached to any political party. I am not in any way suggest that FKNK lobby for the PN. All I am saying that you cannoy lobby for the PL and then expect to get anything from the PN.

This happened in these past four and a half years and me and you had to suffer because of FKNK diercetives at Rabat.

We are not a political party and we have to get the best from whoever is in government and we should remain as such.

I have been an FKNK member for many many years and I do not recollect having voted for any FKNK member in committee, can you explain this to me Mr. Johnny Scerri? I only voted for Lino Farrugia for a EC official but never for a secretary.

Andrea Damato

Sep 23rd 2012, 19:07

Isthi ghid li int kaccatur Henry!! Mhux il-gvern tieghek wieghed il-genna fl-art fuq il-kacca u l-insib jekk nidhlu fl UE u dan ghamlu bil-miktub?????

U lkoll nafu xgara ghax d-delizzji taghna qeridhom mbasta seraq hafna voti ghall UE u dahhalna hemm bil qerq.

Ma nafx x'wicc ghandek tikkritika l-FKNK li dejjem qalet il-verita u dejjem qalet min verament jirrispetta d-delizzji taghna !!!!

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 23rd 2012, 21:15

@Andrea D'amatlo

It is not my intention to talk politics and I shall not answer your political motivated arguments. You have a right for your own opinion just as much as I have a right for my own opinion, and whether we like it or not we have to respect each others opinion.

Hurling insults will not make you win the argument.

FKNK is a non political federation and it is unacceptable as such for this association to lobby for any of the two or more political parties. This federation represents me you and others of different political belief and has to distance itself from any political party. This is my only argument and if you feel that FKNK is impartial than goodluck to you. Apparently we do not receive the same sms and emails or else we look at these with our different interpretations.

C Borg

Sep 23rd 2012, 21:30

I agree with you that now that we are part of the EU we shall obide to EU legislation but that does not mean that what PN goverment imposes is the EU legislation.
May I remind you that:
Malta has been brought to the ECJ because the PN govermant was not able to derogate correctly!
The PN government has malicously msinformed the interested parties about EU accession.
The Pn goverment has forbidden hunting on Sundays and Public holidays though it's not an EU requisite
THE pn government is currently impeding me and you from hunting after 3.00pm though it is not an EU requisite
After all this, I wonder how a PN governmet can instill any hopes for the better with regards to hunting and trapping!

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 22:20

Mr Fenech Azzopardi,

we are in a mess not because of FKNK but because of PN...FKNK can lobby both parties...then present what both parties are willing to gve to hunetrs and then the hnter chooses were to place his vote.

it is very wrong to just lobby PN...especially since they did not adhere to the refernedum guarantees.

But as I said...one cannot be impartial...if he has a ploitical agenda...there are people who have hunting first and political agenda second place...their are others who have political agenda first and then hunting...it is because of the latter that we are suffering...

Mr Xuereb,

not threat at all...simple facts...some hunters prefer seeing their party elected and having a miserable season...while others do not care who is elected as long as they have a good season...Mr Fenech Azzopardi knows about what I'm talking.

secondly bird welafre is on everyones agenda...even hunetrs...that is why we don't want anything over and above whats permitted by teh EU birds directive.

Incidently Mr Xuereb, care you list any cuntry that does not allow hunting...or any member state that does legislate on a stricter note or over and above the birds directive.

it is your type of extremism that is shund allover the world...I travel a lot on work and many germans would eradicate CABS if they could and these are not hunetrs...many people allover the owrld refer to green peace as eco-terrorists (hardly a name to be proud of)...

Mr Xuereb, please explain to us why we should not be allowed a season fully compliant with the birds directive as enjoyed by other EU member states?

HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI

Sep 24th 2012, 08:32

@ Johnny Xerri

Distancing myself from politics I agree that there are certain issues which do not involve the EU and should have been given to the hunters I am not disputing this. Ofcourse we could have been given Sunday huntiing in Spring just as much as we have it in Autumn. Ofcourse we could hvae remained all aftrenoon out in September. Ofcourse we could have been advised earlier of opening dates for season. All this I agree but you are missing my point which for some reason you do not want to accept.

You cannot hit out at a party in a Rabat meeting on the eve of an election and days later you expect to be given any preferences or better rights. This is the whole principle. Yourself and myself are suffering the consequences of antidiplomatic approach by FKNK. I remember recomending the FKNK committee to form a sub committee
with individuals with moderate political belief to deal with the PN Government after the Rabat brushing. My request was turned down and FKNK found a brick wall which they could never get on the good side of the PN.

The other problem which you keep ignoring is that you and me if we want to elect a member of our trust we cannot do it because the same committee mebers put themselves in the chairs supporting one another. I consider this is antidemocratic. Do not get me wrong because I hardly know any of the committee members, but if I feel that any particular member who is bulldozing his approach with the authorities I should have the right to out vote him, as is done in any democratic organisation.

I can assure you that without blowing any trumpets I have worked very hard to support FKNK in their claims with the Government. I have nothing to be ashamed of. I contribute with my presence on the ORNIS Committee and strive to obtain the best deals for the hunters. I am prepared to meet you and discuss privately my involvement with regards to hunting. Sometimes you manage to deliver much better being outside FKNK.

Noel Abela

Sep 24th 2012, 22:37

Gonzi yesterday said that Dr Muscat will be freezing the minimum wage when in actual fact all Dr Muscat did was disagree to a request made by a Union member. So please make up your mind, if Labour is dishing out promises to everyone about everything he instantly would have said Yes to an increase of the minimum wage. Nothing pleases all you nationalists, the only thing that you are concerned about is hanging on to power......at all cost. How pathetic.

Mark Borg

Sep 23rd 2012, 18:07

Indeed, Flimkien Kollox Possibbli! Jew insejtha din Mario Farrugia?

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 18:17

please do so that when PL is elected we will not have the same people saying...ah but when I voted Pl i didn't vote for hunting.....like somepeople say about EU membership.

Now everything is clear...a vote for PL means hunters will be getting what is due to them as per the birds directive...no more & no less...

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 22:08

Mr Callus,

I had the country's best interest at heart in 2003...but Pn did not stick to the deal...if PN stuck to their part of the deal it could have been a win-win situation for all....but no they had to show how macho they are and how arogant they could be and how they ddn't care about what they guaranteed in writting...I suffered while many benefited at my cost...now I will put my personal interest first...at least if things go wrong...they will go wrong for all and sundry and not just me.

secondly...what is to guarantee that PL will make a mess? After the mess gone-zi pn made...even a fool could do better...

1. how about the power station working on hfo...that will be converted to gas before even being officially inaugurated...shifting the cost up by @ least €1.5 million than if it were commissioned on gas immediatly?

2. How about smart city...that was not smart at all?

3. How about the funds that Christina Dolores had destroyed through lack of competency?

4. How about a PM that votes against a referendum?

5. How about a hospital in which you enter for an emercency and spend a good 2-3 days in a corridor (something that happened to my 87 year old grandmother?

6. How about the ARMS ltd fiasco in which the smart meter project costing €80 million has not resulted in any benefit?

7. how about the debt that we secured for greece...we cannot afford our tax cuts and then we support the debt of a country that is in the s**t due to them having it good for many years?

8. How about the arriva fiasco...arriva was meant to revamp the transport system and reduce traffic...no change in traffic flow....except more cars on the road!!! and why...because PN paid a constancy firm €500,000 to draw up routes...that made trips longer and less convinient...only to have less buses on the road...arriva earning more profit...and then this failed and the govt has already spent more on aid to arriva than what was envisaged.

9. The high utility bills...that are mostly high due to PN avoiding the interconector with sicily...when PL had suggested this...now that the new power station is having trouble (due to the filtration system for HFO not working properly)...they are opting for an interconector to aid the power station.

I equate PN to a tapestry maker...who shows you a great work of art...but due to investment in the appearance does not use good material...down the line the picture gets mouldy and degraded...but by that time a new tapestry is on the market...customers are fooled by the new look and go for it...but its once again the bad quality good looking same old stuff

Lawrence Fenech

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:29

@Aaron.

You might as well defend rabbits at Imnarja, turkeys at Xmas, festa tal-lampuki at Marsaxlokk, lambs at Easter and hens all year round. Hallina.

N. Bill Camilleri

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:38

Because we live in a democracy where everyone gets a vote, politicians get paid very well when they receive votes, and politicians regulate the people who give them the votes.

Democracy: two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.


Renato Balzan

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:41

Are you sure that you are talking about the PL? Let us mention some promises that GonziPN mentioned before the election?

1- Malta Drydocks will not close (I have a letter as a proof)
2- Hunting will not stop (I have a letter too)
3- Will decrese income Tax
4- Thousands of jobs will be created at Smart city

Should I mention more? I think people like you should think realistic and not letting GonziPN BRAIN WASH you!

Carlo Borg

Sep 23rd 2012, 19:38

To Renato Balzan
1. Malta Drydocks was not closed at all
2. Hunting was never stoped
3. Income tax was decreased
4. Thousands of jobs were created (not smart city but in other places)

Should I continue???

My friend I remember very well Alfred Sant saying that no more cash registers and no more VAT. What was the result?? They remained there exactly how they were. Shall I continue?? There are more siehbi ta

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 21:49

Mr Borg,

1. Drydocks did close down...and sold to Palumbo...who took most of the machinery to the Sicily plant and employs people on a define contract for short periods.

2. Hunting in spring did not stop...but nearly stopped...as we have the 3 pm curfew...plus 12pm saturday curfew and no sundays...meaning that if someone is on stop leave he/she cannot hunt around his work schedule...and if doves appear in the evening or weekend one cannot hunt...plus the 4 bird quota is just as good as a ban.

3. The income tax was not cut as you claim...only a few categories such as women returning to work have benefited from a temporary tax cut...nowhere close to what we had been guaranteed.

4. The thousands of jobs that were created, well smart city cost us an arm and a leg...not only in the project itself but also in ICT courses...secondly PN have never issued a statistic on net jobs....but on new jobs...so if 10000 people had a job and they lost it...but found one next month...the economy is no better off...but Gone-zi Pn would claim the limelight of 10000 new jobs...when the net figure should be zero...

Mr Borg...the subject is simply FKNK claiming that PL will give hunters what is allowable by the birds directive no more no less...after all the guarantees that PN, EFA, Simon Busutill and the like made...why is PN not giving hunters what is allowable by the birds directive? Simple, because PN are a bunch of fat liars...next PN party will not be gone-zi pn...but gonziocchio pn...or kelma tat tfal pn

Hugh Jampton

Sep 23rd 2012, 19:08

Victor Pulis How very Apposite!
Two things to bear in mind... “When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.”
― Thomas Jefferson
"Politicians : Watch what they do, not what they say."
The most telling part in all this 'us versus them' is the absence of the words Illegal and protected. The EU will decide what happens not Maltese politicians..so therefore they can promise nothing.. Despite the usual drone noises coming from stage left.

Mark Ellul

Sep 23rd 2012, 20:58

So what does pl have to do? If Jm doesn t speak he is not good , if he does they r just promises.. So ..... What s the point ?

Lawrence Fenech

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:31

@James.

Unfortunatly the majority of the maltese are not hunters so what chance do the hunters have in an unfair referendum.

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 18:20

No problem Mr Tyrrell'

we can hold one whenever you find politicians that accomodate such a demand...of course since the EU membership included the continuance of hunting...we will also have to have a parralled re take of that referendum.

James Tyrrell

Sep 23rd 2012, 20:14

@Lawrence Fenech. The point is Lawrence it would be a democratic decision taken by the majority of Maltese people whether they are hunters or not. Do you think it is fair that a political party and hunters should sit in a room and make such decisions without consulting the majority of the electorate?

Renato Balzan

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:43

I am against hunting but we have nothing less than other countries. Either we are going to follow ALL of the EU rules or not!! Why is Malta always treated like this?

Marco Galea

Sep 23rd 2012, 22:58

"We too have rights...Malta is not yours...its everyones...including hunters."

AGREED as much as I agree with my philosophy:

"A flying bird is NOT YOUR ... its everyones ... including non-hunters"

What gives you priority over a flying bird to lock it in your home, dead??

A.Felex Busuttil

Sep 23rd 2012, 17:16

Mr Midler you are not only interfering in the laws of our country but you are suggesting o us to whom we shall vote. WE Maltese we don't like to waste our votes.

mario salnitro

Sep 23rd 2012, 22:05

Who asked for your opinion sir? comment on what goes on in your country, please do not interfere in ours.

Mr Victor Borg

Sep 23rd 2012, 11:56

In fact, the cowboys and hunters in our country rule with their bullying and rapaciousness. We don't need to wait for Labour for this happen: it is happening now. Under Labour nothing will change in this regard, I mean nothing will change for the better, because the situation cannot be worse than it is now. Now we have a law on paper that means nothing in the field, where hunter do what they want. It's the same with bullies and cowboys in our roads - they are beyond the reach of the law - and a change of government will simple resolve nothing, as everything in this regard willl remain the same!

Peter Midler

Sep 23rd 2012, 11:58

I agree 100%. Decent citizens ARE FED UP with this birdkilling activity. Giving more 'rights' to hunters will surely result in a worse situation than we were 10-20-30 years ago and bird massacres will increase a 100 fold.

Going back even just one step in bird protection will produce a ripple effect that will have undesirable consequences on the little bird protection control we have in the island! This will further deprive bird lovers and other decent citizens of the joy of seeing birds gracing our skies, and of enjoying the beautiful Maltese countryside because bully hunters will have their moral boosted, dominating more and more the countryside!

We too are voters!! The whole world is watching. The Maltese floating voter who makes the difference is also watching!

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 12:36

Mr Midler,

are the citizens in your country of origin fed up with hunting and hunters...in that case lobby your govt to ban hunting...than lobby ours.

Steve Zammit

Sep 23rd 2012, 13:02

Victor under PL it can only get worse

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 12:39

Mr Zammit...birds have your vote...and that of the rest of the antis...

The PL is actually defending birds by accepting the brids directive...and defending hutners by opting to stick to that directive...

In most cases foreigners do it better!!! So we should stick by their directives and not try to invent 'smart' new rules that apply to Malta alone.

Dear Mr Zammit...mention to me just one country that has a curfew...mention to me an article in the brids directive that has a slight mention of a curfew...

Steve Zammit

Sep 23rd 2012, 13:45

Defending birds? how does PL defend birds if the bag limit of Turtle doves raises from 20K to 200,000? By letting you guys kill 10 times more birds?

Mr. Xerri mention to me one country in Europe where the arrival of a Black Stork means that it will get shot down?

Mention to me one country in Europe where an Osprey cannot perch on a pylon, because with a few minutes hunters in pick ups have already marked the bird and are trying to shoot it down.

I do not know of other countries that have curfews, but I do not know of any other country that the arrival of rare birds, instead of bringing joy brings a sense of panic and sadness because they are gonna get shot down by our rambos within hours, yep its still that serious out there.

I am not talking about past things, actually events that occurred this week

Yes that is why we need the 3pm hunting curfew...because it saves birds of prey from getting killed, if not hunters can use the evenings as a loophole, when we all know birds of prey are most vulnerable at roosting time...at least with the 3pm ban, most birds are spared.

Now I simply asking what PL's stand on this important matter that is of concern to people like me who puts the birds interest at first.

Nuff said.

M. Cardona

Sep 23rd 2012, 15:27

Mr Steve Zammit,

as if your political opinion has been formulated on the LP stance on hunting.


does this perchance happen to be your comment on another post on this website?

"Iskhom ga ghamiltuwha fatta li se tirbhu, wara l0mass meeting kien hemm min hareg idoqq bil-bnadar barra....insejtu x gara f 2008? :) "

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120922/local/labour-mass-meeting-concludes-party-congress.437949

Steve Zammit

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:16

M. Cardona,

Yes correct i posted that comment....how quick of you to notice it :) Pity you didn't seem to notice a post I left on the same article about my concern about the environment.

Yep you are right, I am no PL supporter, but I happen to listen to what PL has to offer, and their green credentials do not impress me at all, and their stand on hunting does not help to win my vote. They should be making proposals of how they can stamp out illegal hunting and start a wildlife crime unit.

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 12:49

Most hunters at least in Rabat, Siggiewi, Mgarr, Zebbug, Dingli, and Gozo were PN supports (plus many others in other districts)...proof of this is the inclusion of hunting in the PN + EU referendum menefesto...

Howvever, many hunters are shifting to PL since many a time hunters were betrayed and lied to by PN who saw it opportune to steal hunters vote...and then renegade on the guarantees to aplease the antis and have it good from both sides

Secondly Mr Scerri labour are not promising anything above the eu birds directive, so no fines are to be faced.

Thridly even if fines had to be faced (which I repeat, if we are given rights only inline with the directive, no fines will materialise)...they are to be blamed on EFA, Simon Busutill, David Casa, and the like...for they stole the hunters vote...and strictly speaking every party especially the PN is duty bound to give hunters seasons as per the referendum guarantees...no more...but no less...since I for one voted YES and PN at that time on those guarantees...if we were not fed lies...I would either have voted YES aware of what was to come and said I choose that way and not complained...or voted NO...but either way it would have been a choice and not a gimick and stolen vote.

Joe Scerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:04

@Johnny Xerri
The fact that you are ready to risk the future of your country and of your children(if you have any) just for the sake of your so called hobby speaks volumes. Anyway if you are ex-PN and voting PL than my point is correct, hunters are PL voters.

mark borg

Sep 23rd 2012, 16:59

gullible (hunters/poachers)...u veru daks kemm belalhom EFA ....hadd zgur !

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 21:37

You are wrong...hunters were 50% PN & 50% PL...however, the % is tipping because PN cast us aside.

Hunters did want the good of the country...that is why many voted YES in the referendum (based on lies)...now if anything happens if PL are in power...do not blame the hunters...blame your beloved PN who cast us aside...blame the PN suppoorters who incited the govt into unfair regulations.

Dear Mr Scerri, you cannot have the cake and eat it alone...let alone eat it at our expense.

Yes this year I am willing to risk the 50 plus family votes (we are large family of hunters)...plus the votes I use to tally by convincing disgrantled PN supporters (mainly fellow hunters)...

The choice is simple for us hunters...if PL does a good 5 yr period...hunters will be better off...and the country will be better off...if PL goes wrong at least all Malta will suffer...unlike if PN are in govt in and hunters are short changed for the benefit of others.

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 12:51

Mr Dimech,

Instead of attributing vocab such as 'bad' or 'backward nation'...why don't you first inform us of which country is not so bad and backward...and has banned hunting?

For all I know...hunting is practiced in every corner of the world...can you prove otherwise?

Johnny Xerri

Sep 23rd 2012, 12:53

Not all the countryside....you will still have the no hunting zones in which you can birdwatch...however, I doubt you will ever see a bird...they hardly alight in front of a couch and PC

Denis Pace

Sep 23rd 2012, 17:20

Something to look forward to under Labour...Poor CABS...Probably will be deported

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