Cristina: no regrets for axing girls’ home head - girls allegedly handcuffed
Education Minister Dolores Cristina yesterday defended her decision to axe a former policewoman from heading a residential home for destitute girls.
In the wake of a ruling by the industrial tribunal, which found that the woman’s dismissal was unfair, Mrs Cristina yesterday said she acted to “defend vulnerable girls”.
On Wednesday, Mrs Cristina was ordered to pay Marisa Bartolo almost €4,000 in damages after she was unfairly dismissed from the post of programme coordinator at the Conservatorio Vincenzo Bugeja.
Ms Bartolo was employed in May 2009 at the Santa Venera home and asked to leave two years later on direct orders from Mrs Cristina, who was then Social Policy Minister.
Unfazed by the judgment, Mrs Cristina said she would appeal. “I have no regrets for taking that decision. I shouldered political, moral and personal responsibility when I protected vulnerable children and I don’t feel I have to resign on this case.”
Mrs Cristina explained that she had received serious allegations about Ms Bartolo’s treatment of the young girls living at the home, including the use of handcuffs to restrain them. The allegations came from other staff members and the girls themselves.
She personally got involved in the case soon after her appointment as Social Policy Minister. Ms Bartolo’s police background conditioned her behaviour and this was not what the children needed, Mrs Cristina added.
“We are speaking of children who need therapy, a lot of love and care. The manner in which Ms Bartolo treated them was definitely not going to help them in their development,” she said.
An investigation board set up to look into the allegations concluded that most of them were “substantially proven”, according to Mrs Cristina. The board also said Ms Bartolo’s position in the home was untenable.
Mrs Cristina said the board found that Ms Bartolo did not give the young residents the protection they needed. “She was violating their privacy and resorting to restraining measures, including the use of handcuffs, against all the philosophy of the programmes the young women were following,” she said.
The board wrote in its report that the use of handcuffs was “completely inappropriate” if the individual using them was a member of the therapeutic team.
In the light of this report and its recommendations, Mrs Cristina said she wrote to the chairman of Conservatorio Bugeja, the late Richard Manché, Ms Bartolo’s direct employer, to terminate her employment.
The industrial tribunal noted that Ms Bartolo was not given a reason why a disciplinary board, which was meant to have been convened to discuss the case, had never been set up.
Her post was eventually abolished but during proceedings the ministry did not give details why the experts had recommended such a move.
Ms Bartolo was awarded €3,900 in compensation but was not reinstated because the tribunal deemed it impractical.
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Joe Brincat-LL.D
Sep 22nd 2012, 15:04
Recently Minister Tonio Fenech published a statement saying that Court judgments should be respected. In actual fact he was saying the opposite, and that the government was right and the Judge, by implication, was wrong.
This is the second Minister in a week to assert her own infallibility. She feels she was right. That did not convince the impartial tribunal, or should the tribunal have accepted her stand because she was saying it ?
As the Minister feels she was right, there is only one solution - that she herself pays the compensation. If she does not, then everybody will foot part of the bill.
Charmaine Fidalgo-Cortis
Sep 22nd 2012, 02:03
Huwa hemm Dolores Cristina ilha il fuq minn sentejn imqabbda ma dil-povra impjegata!!! Altru li kellha cans tissettja disciplinary board kieku riedet l-EX ministru!! (kemm tinzilli ghasel din tal-EX!! :-)
Please refer to this link dated 22nd July 2010 !
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100722/local/programme-coordinator-calls-on-education-minister-to-stop-her-dismissal.319040
S.M. Cuschieri
Sep 21st 2012, 20:53
Now that the story is a lot clearer.......It does not mean that an ex-policewoman is the ideal for the post stated. I am certain that the post would need someone who is qualified and holds a degree in either youth studies or social care. Policing has absolutely nothing to do with social care. It is a lot harsher as a job. And like the minister said...these girls need TLC and not handcuffs!!!!!!
Moira Scicluna
Sep 21st 2012, 17:59
Well done Ms. Bartolo. In some cases you have to be cruel to be kind.
Joseph John Camilleri
Sep 21st 2012, 19:49
Is this a joke?
M Grima
Sep 21st 2012, 16:42
A clear case of arrogance from the Minister who should have resigned ages ago following the stoppage by the EU of funds directed for students educational programmes.
Charmaine Fidalgo-Cortis
Sep 22nd 2012, 01:28
What else is new about Dolores Cristina? How ironic that the EDUCATION minister, only knows how to persist in ARROGANCE!!!
Julian Borg
Sep 21st 2012, 16:26
The Minister did the right thing - regardless of what the procedure was. You cannot predict a person's future actions from an interview. Well done Minister!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Sep 21st 2012, 19:54
I see, so now its Ok according to you to dismiss a person without following procedues and not giving a reason. What arrogance!
Aaron Vella
Sep 23rd 2012, 16:37
@Mr Andrew Camilleri
Qisek taqbel li tfajliet ghadhom zghar norbtuhom bil-manetti u nidfnulhom id-dinjita taghhom qishom kriminali... Prosit! M'intx kattoliku ukoll hux? Sew ghamlet il- ministru jekk verament bdew isehhu dawn l-atti baxxi fuq tfajliet vulnerabli. U missek tisthi tiddefendi persuna hekk.
Charles Massa
Sep 21st 2012, 15:18
Tajjeb kieku inkun nafu the other side of the story. Jekk l impjegata kienet tirrejagixxi kif qieghda tghid il-ministru, mela ghal fejn ma keccitiex waqt il probation. L-impjegata kienet imwissija li l-atteggjament taghha mhux accettabli.? Wara kollox jekk gara kif qieghda tghid il-ministru, kif l-im pjegata inatat kumpens mil-qorti. Xi haga mhux qieghda tinkwarda ministru.
Ivan Calleja
Sep 21st 2012, 15:07
I would ask: Who appointed this person in the first place if she was not qualified to do the job????
A. Farrugia
Sep 21st 2012, 14:51
Based on what is written, Ms. Cristina acted decisively for the good of the young people living at the Home.
That is a good thing, though ideally the decision should have been taken during the probationary period.
People appointed to run the Homes for vulnerable children should be trained and appropriately qualified, and apparently, in this case the person appointed to run the Home was neither.
THAT is the real issue people. Let's leave politics out of it for once, and consider what policies and procedures need to be in place when appointing people to certain sensitive posts in future, because the losers at the end of the day were those children, and not any of the people mentioned in this article.
J Martinelli
Sep 21st 2012, 16:42
"Ideally the decision should have been taken during the probationary period''. True.
But do we know when the allegations of serious wrongdoing first surfaced?
My question is: How and when 'handcuffs' were made accessible to staff and was there a policy regarding the use of restraining equipment?
P. Zammit
Sep 21st 2012, 14:39
I would like to see most of you posting the comments below if your son or daughter was one of the victims. Sometime decisions need to be taken .. I would have done the same.
Eugene Sapiano
Sep 21st 2012, 14:04
Why was she awarded only E3.900, it is hardly two months wages; I say that whenever their is unfair dismissal proven the award should be at least the equivalent of 5 years wages!
j brincat
Sep 21st 2012, 13:06
Cristina is ormai a thing of the past!
Would surely not be sorrily missed.
(jb)
Vincent Cassar
Sep 21st 2012, 12:53
Dolores Cristina may be correct in her statement and her intentions too. But the fact remains that she failed to comply with the procedures set in the Employment and Industrial Relations Act. No one can be terminated from employment after the probation period has lapsed without a reason. This is why she has been asked by the court to pay...for adopting an unfair procedure; all other reasons are not justifiable and are superfluous to this case.
m. borg (slm)
Sep 21st 2012, 12:47
Even the females in gonzipn are arrogant, no wonder Dolores is not contesting next elections, she got the message that she will not be trusted again even by nationalists.
Victor Zammit
Sep 21st 2012, 12:43
By what she says the Minister might have won the case on the merits, but lost it on a technical point namely that the employee was not given a reason why "a disciplinary board, which was meant to have been convened to discuss the case, had never been set up". In other words there was no due process. My guess is that the Minister may end up losing the appeal as well.
Charmaine Fidalgo-Cortis
Sep 22nd 2012, 01:36
From your lips to the good Lord Victor Zammit!
Joseph E Briffa
Sep 21st 2012, 12:33
If I understand the article correctly, Marisa Bartolo's employment was terminated by the late chairman of the Conservatorio Bugeja on written instructions from the then social policy minister following the findings of an investigation board that found that most of the allegations about Marisa Bartolo's behaviour were proved. The tribunal deemed it impractical to reinstate Marisa Bartolo, which substantiates the findings of the investigation board. The tribunal's compensation award didn't have anything to do with Marisa Bartolo's behaviour but simply with the way she was dismissed from her employment. Moreover, minister Cristina is no longer in charge of the social policy portfolio, so the claim made in some of the comments that she should resign do not make sense.
J Cauchi
Sep 21st 2012, 12:14
Qed tiskanta Kurt. Mela f'Malta tezisti l-kultura tar-rizenji min jisimghak!! Li kieku konna f'pajjiz iehor ewropew, kif niftahru tant li ahna, kieku lanqas tilhaq tinxef il-linka fuq il-karta lidak il-Ministru ma jirrizenjax. Imma f'Malta le. Ahna nimitaw lill-Ewropa biss fejn jaqblilna. U dan mhux kaz isolat. Ftit ilu l-Ministru George Pullicino kellu l-istess kaz. Il-Qorti Kostituzzjonali sabitu hati li kiser id-drittijiet fundamentali tal-bniedem fil-kaz tal-Impjant ta' Sant'Antnin. Hemm kien, hemm ghadu u hemm qed jippretendi li jibqa.
mark johnson
Sep 21st 2012, 12:10
In Malta, we do as we please, and let others pick up the bill later.
Lynn Zahra
Sep 21st 2012, 11:25
Whilst I support your decision in taking a firm stand where you believed that action was needed to protect the girls at the institute, even at the risk of an Industrial Tribunal decision against you, I believe you ought to shoulder all the blame if you were responsible for selecting ms Bartolo to head this ultra sensitive
post, in the first place, Mrs.Cristina.
You should have realized that Ms Bartolo, known for zealously fighting drug traffickers, would likely excel in most security jobs, but was not what is needed to head a home for destitute girls. I believe that these girls need a firm hand, but they also need a mother figure with compassion, lots and lots of it. Someone caring , like Mother Stefania at the Crèche in Sliema.
Marianna Galea Xuereb
Sep 21st 2012, 12:34
I think it is very difficult for us to decide who is best to head this home for "destitute girls" without knowing anything about the various personalities of the individual girls at the Conservatorio Bugeja. For all I know while some of the girls may need to be nurtured by a gentle mother figure some of them may need the proverbial firm hand for their own long term good and that of the instituition and society in general.
m. borg (slm)
Sep 21st 2012, 12:49
Well put.
John Azzopoardi
Sep 21st 2012, 11:17
Has anyone dealt with some of today's children. ONly parents know how bad they can be. Some of today's youths are arrogant and they think they know it all. Of course, discipline should be left to the parents not school administrators.
Ivan Calleja
Sep 21st 2012, 15:09
Only parents John?? Ask the teachers....heh they probably know better than the parents!! Although i totally agree that discipline MUST start at home.
charles tabone
Sep 21st 2012, 11:15
No regrets! The same no regrets that Ms Cristina had when her staff on EU funding scandal was moved to better posts? Of cours no regrets and in the christian spirit. After all Ms Cristina is not forking out a pennny from her pwn pocket. It is the taxpayers who will foot the bill.
A Camilleri
Sep 21st 2012, 12:12
so, Profs Tabone, tell us what YOU would have done in the circumstances? Would you have washed your hands and then face the music when the children under care grow up and claim physical abuse?
R. Cilia
Sep 21st 2012, 18:53
A.Camilleri, she should have brought Ms.Bartolo infront of .a disciplinary board
Dave Alan Caruana
Sep 21st 2012, 11:15
While Ms. Cristina's words are reasonable, what she doesn't mention is why the employee was dismissed summarily without the due proceedings (disciplinary board, an explanation of the allegations etc.). Isn't the minister responsible for this also? The case as decided by the industrial tribunal shows that Ms. Cristina was wrong in her actions. If there were or not reasons for the employee's dismissal does not alleviate the minister concerned of the responsibility to ensure that due process is follows. The accused have rights too, and the Ms. Cristina should resign, for while she acted to defend the vulnerable girls, she did not respect the rights of her employee.
donald borg
Sep 21st 2012, 11:12
Who was responsible to set up the disciplinary board? Anyone accountable? It seems that Ms Bartolo was awarded Euro 3900 because of lack of the proper procedure. I fully agree with the Honourable Minister but procedures have to be followed as otherwise the taxpayer will carry the burden.
Francis Sammut
Sep 21st 2012, 11:03
One may argue that Dolores Cristina might have done the right thing. On the other hand to sack someboby without hearing her/him out, is not very democratic, now is it? We heard that a disciplinery board was supposed to be set-up to hear the case against her, but it never happened! Ok, Mrs. Cristina defended her decision, have no regrets and shoulders political and personal responsibility. That's what the Prime Minister, ministers and Parliamentary secretaries all say, but what does it mean, exactly? And pray, who is going to make good for the 3900 euros refunded to Ms Bartolo, if the appeal falls through? Of course, that will be you and me!
Paul Cassar
Sep 21st 2012, 10:49
A MINISTER SHOULD NEVER ARBITRARILY DISMISS AN EMPLOYEE..................a democracy has
established ways of doing that.....................what the minister did was DICTATORIAL...........................SHAME
Lawrence Fenech
Sep 21st 2012, 14:35
@Paul.
Dead right.
R. Cilia
Sep 21st 2012, 18:48
I agree with you Paul. Why wasn't Ms.Bartolo brought infront of a disciplinary board?
Joseph Mizzi
Sep 21st 2012, 10:45
Handcuffs? Restraints? What else, whips and black leather?
christian bartolo
Sep 21st 2012, 14:45
mhux kulhadd jajd li jaqbillu biex ma jitlfix il-putruna
Mr Kevin Zammit
Sep 21st 2012, 10:38
so said judge Cristina ... cant wait for the next election to be rid of these totally unprofessional clowns
Mr Eric Camilleri
Sep 21st 2012, 10:34
Anki l-MP nisa saru arroganti mhux l-irgiel biss!
N Chetcuti
Sep 21st 2012, 10:33
Oh come on, is this what the Minister had to say to justify the dismissal. Before judging, one has to put oneself in the position of the person responsible. First of all these girls are being portrayed as little angels which they are not. Secondly just imagine a scenario where one of these girls is physically attacking other girls, wouldn't it be wise to constrain her rather than hurting others? If the police woman hit or abused the children in any other way I'm sure the minister would have pointed it out to justify her measure.
Josephine Baldacchino
Sep 21st 2012, 10:33
Proset Ms Cristina.
Johnny Xerri
Sep 21st 2012, 10:25
as an ex pn supported I fell that she should resign for many reasons;
1. For wasting tribunial time and resources...if she set up an inquiry and found such allegations as being sustained, then she should have indicated such in the dismissal notice and the head would not have had a case to appeal on.
2. For failing to address the case through a proper disciplinary board. This could easily have been a case of 'ganging' up on a hed due to personal reasons or due to someone feeling agrieved for not having a promotion and for this new head butting in and gaining the job instead of them.
In no proper democracy should a minister by-pass the system and deny someone the right to prepare a defence and simply dismiss.
pat muscat
Sep 21st 2012, 10:20
I believe what the inquiry concluded not what the ex minister said.
Paul Bajada
Sep 21st 2012, 10:20
why should we believe Dolores and not the decision of the court?
P. Ciantar
Sep 21st 2012, 10:19
this is a different story, than a big WELL DONE to Dolores Cristina
R. Cilia
Sep 21st 2012, 10:01
The industrial tribunal noted that Ms Bartolo was not given a reason why a disciplinary board, which was meant to have been convened to discuss the case, had never been set up
In my opinion, this iwas a big mistake made by the authorities. Who was responsible to set up a disciplinary board?
anthony sultana
Sep 21st 2012, 09:54
Prosit Mrs Cristina for defending the defendless people,now my hope in you is coming back.
Peter Murray
Sep 21st 2012, 10:16
So the fragrant Dolores is right then and everyone else -including trhe Tribunal -are wrong are they?
Vincent Cassar
Sep 21st 2012, 12:59
"now my hope in you is coming back"...is this the level of thinking in this country? She's no saviour, Robin Hood or deity you know? She made her point and the Tribunal took a decision. She can appeal it...but that is no guarantee she will win it because the Court only ascertains that the right procedures were adopted according to the law; in this case your adorable Minister seems to have failed to comply with those. Moral reasoning does not at all come into it!
Claire Busuttil
Sep 21st 2012, 09:54
I think that more education and training tshould be given to policeman/woman occupying certain positions in the society.
Many of them, just know how to dictate, and use rude ways.
Joseph Micallef
Sep 21st 2012, 09:48
Tirreżenja? Ma tarax!! Fejn qatt ġrat fl-istorja tal-PN li ministri jassumu r-responsabilitá t'emilhom?
Din isbaħ issa! Indaħlet hi personalment, it-tribunal, li hu l-għola istituzzjoni fil-pajjiż, sabha ħatja t'unfair dismissal, u ma tħossx li għandha tirreżenja! Inkreddibli. U l-prim ministru fejnu? Jifraħ bl-indipendenza?
L-unika ministru ta l-edukazzjoni li għandha storja ta' dellijiet koroħ u serji taħt it-tmexxija tagħha. Tassew għandha sabiex tiftaħar il-ministru dolores cristina!
A. Mifsud
Sep 21st 2012, 10:08
Dejjem l istess retorika minn certu nies!! L- hena taghhom ifittxu l iskuzi biex jitolbu ghar rizenji, mozzjonijiet ta sfiducja, inkjesti bl adocc li ma jwasslu mkien u jaraw in negattiv f kollox u kulhadd.
Jimxi l quddiem il- pajjiz b'dan ir ragunament! Issa naraw la darba tinqaleb il- folja jekk hux kollha jmorru jistahbew dawn li jipretendu li huma l- "watchdogs tas- sewwa"
A. Schembri
Sep 21st 2012, 10:28
Mr Micallef.
I believe that the action of Mrs Cristina are justified, irrespective of the court ruling which may or may not be the correct outcome. However, if there was evidence from reports passed on by fellow workers and residents that this was true I believe she stood by those reports and 4000 euros is a small price to pay compared to abuse of children. from the article above i think she acted right. PS don;t think i am saying this because I agree with her politically!! I believe any person responsible should have acted that way
Marianne Grech
Sep 21st 2012, 10:35
Qabel ma ktibt missek rajt sewwa li l-Ministru Cristina ser tappella minn din is-sentenza u għaldaqstant l-argumenti tiegħek huma mgħaġġla wisq, barra mill-fatt li l-Indipendenza m'għandha x'taqsam xejn ma' dan il-kaz.
Min jaf x'kont tikteb kieku waħda minn dawn it-tfajliet kienet bintek jew membru tal-familja tiegħek? Kont tieħu pjaċir li, bħala mezz ta' korrezzjoni, din tiġi mmanettjata? Probabilment kont tkun minn tal-ewwel li tmur tiġri tirrapporta u tesklama kemm qed jitħallew jiġru affarijiet tal-mistħija u mbagħad erħilkom bil-kor tal-għajta għar-rizenji ta' dak u tal-ieħor.
Għax issa wasalna fi stat fejn dak kollu li jsir minn xi membru tal-Gvern, inti u min hu tal-fehma tiegħek toħorġu tattakkawh, basta tidhru ħelwin ma' min qiegħed jattakka lill-istess membri tal-Gvern minn ġewwa, bl-għan aħħari tagħkom jibqa' dejjem li twaqqgħu l-Gvern u tieħdu l-poter f'idejkom malajr kemm jista' jkun.
Imma għal dan tridu toqogħdu attenti, għax meta tesprimu ruħkom b'dan il-mod, min għad irid jivvultalkom mingħandkom jippretendi trasparenza assoluta u xejn minn dak li bih tattakkaw lil ħaddieħor. Fi ftit kliem - stat perfett ta' kollox, ħaġa li qatt ma tista' sseħħ, għax id-dinja hi mimlija bil-bnedmin li huma kollha suġġetti għall-izball.
Issa jekk fil-manifest elettorali tagħkom ser twegħdu anke dak, jiġifieri li l-ministri tagħkom ser ikunu safja minn kull dnub u qatt, la huma u lanqas min ser ikun taħthom m'huma ser jizbaljaw, allura ibqa' ċert li l-poplu Malti kollu ser jivvota għalikom u għandkom gvern garantit. Izda l-verita' hi li min jafkom u ġarrabkom, jaf mod ieħor.
Anthony Falzon
Sep 21st 2012, 10:50
int bi serjeta jew naqra gravi......ahjar tistaqsi kif il board, wara li sab illi dak li kien allegat kien fil fatt vera, kif seta gie ghad decizjoni li it tkeccija kienet mhux gusta meta il board stess ghametta li l'akkuzi kienu vera. SPJEGAZJONI PLS.
joseph saliba
Sep 21st 2012, 11:06
Wieħed jista jassumi r-resposabilita mhux biss billi jirriżenja? L-fatt li l-ministru stqarret il-fatti jfisser li refgħet qoffitha. Inti u jien għandna l-vot u llum anke l-vuċi biex nuru l-fehma tagħna. Jiena naħseb li l-ministru Dolores Christina kellha kull raġun anke jekk il-qorti kienet ġusta. U lanqas ngħid li dan każ ta' riżenja.
Jo Camm
Sep 21st 2012, 11:12
Mr Micallef - Darb'ohra qabel tibda tikteb aqra l-artiklu kollu. Fih hafna x'taqra 'between the lines', mhux politika biss.
Prost Mrs Cristina, sewwa ghamilt. keep it up till the last day.
Joseph Micallef
Sep 21st 2012, 12:48
Tweġibha lil kull min weġibni.
Qabel ma tikkumenttaw, aħjar tkunu tafu xinhuma il-proċeduri amministrattivi adottati mill-gvern. KULL GVERN. U nerġa ntenni, qabel ma twieġbu, li ma tagħmilx differenza kemm tkun, tistaw tkunu elf, għax jekk l-elf ma jagħmlux sens jew ikunu argumenti skoretti, ma tagħmilx differenza, ara li tafu x'inthom tgħidu.
Ħadd mhu se jnikkitni billi jsemmi li kieku kienet binti bħala eżempju bla sens. F'ċirkostanzi bħal dawn, persuna mhux titkeċċa għandha, għaliex il-persuna ma ġiet QATT mixlija b'abbuż, iżda l-persuna kellha tingħata xogħol ieħhor alternattiv. Id-dinjita tal-bniedem trid tiġi rrispettata u KULLĦADD hu bniedem, anke din l-ex pulizija.
Għal dawk li ħasbu li forsi ma qrajtx jew segwejt l-artikolu, nserħhilkom raskom, qrajtu b'retta u dettal u segwejt il-kaz.
Infakkar li fi zmien gvern Laburista, is-Sur Charles Mangion, bħala ministru ta l-affarijiet interni / gustizzja, kien irreżenja fuq sentenza ta' priġunerija mnaqqsa. Dik hi s-serjetá. Għandkom raġun li ma taħolmuhix xi ħaga hekk in-nazzjonalisti, għaliex qatt ma kienet 'ingrained' fil-kultura.
U nifhem, ma nagħtihomx tort għaliex anke il- "prim ministru" '??' waqt id-diskors ta l-indipendenza qal li mhu se nħallu lill ħadd joħdilna l-gvern - mossa anti demokratika mimlija arroganza. Let alone il-ministri u min jaħseb bħalhom.
Il-ħasra hi li dawn il-ftit nazzjonalisti (għaliex ma nemminx li l-maġġoranza tan-nazzjonalisti huma hekk) li ma jħadnux din il-kultura, ivvotaw IVA u perpru l-bnadar tal UE, forza politika fejn il-kultura tar-riżenji u l-kontabilitá ilha għexiren ta' snin imħaddna.
Maria Barbara
Sep 21st 2012, 09:44
How come Ms Bartolo was awarded so much money when she was not doing her job according to her job description, being what Mrs. D. Cristina described above.?
Albert Farrugia
Sep 21st 2012, 09:36
..this is similar to what happens when former prison warders are employed as traffic wardens. Of course their behaviour will be appelling as they will tend to look at free citizens as if they were their prisoners.
Peter Murray
Sep 21st 2012, 10:18
Traffic wardens look upon citizens as easy meat ,cash cows irrespective of any former employ
Mario Tabone-Vassallo
Sep 21st 2012, 09:30
Jekk li qalet il-Ministru Cristina tassew, dmira li tappella s-sentenza u thares lill-vulnerabbli u nghidilha PROSIT
Anthony A. Mifsud
Sep 21st 2012, 10:12
Mia fil Mia Dottre, I fully agree.
She should..
Toni
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