‘Gaddafi asked Mintoff to help him buy nuclear sub’
Deposed Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi had asked Dom Mintoff to act as an intermediary in a nuclear submarine purchase, according to MEP John Attard Montalto, confidant to the former Labour Prime Minister.
Writing in The Times today, Dr Attard Montalto says: “Mintoff was stunned and refused. Not after all his efforts, Mintoff told me, to demilitarise and de-nuclearise the Mediterranean.”
The MEP uses this anecdote and others to contrast the “distorted” story often told about Mr Mintoff’s relationship with Col Gaddafi.
“Mintoff always knew who he was dealing with: an arbitrary, unpredictable man, made ruthless by the international politics in his region and his ability to buy almost anyone and anything.”
The article deals with the established view that Mr Mintoff used his relationship with Col Gaddafi as leverage with the West. Dr Attard Montalto quotes the former Labour Leader telling him: “Do you think Europe and America would have paid attention to me if I did not have that personal relationship with Gaddafi?”
However, it also reveals Mr Mintoff was aware of the dangers entailed by his high-risk foreign policy strategy.
Writing about the 1980 standoff, when Libyan gunboats threatened to shoot at an oil platform drilling for Malta, the MEP writes of a searing exchange in Tripoli between Mr Mintoff and Abdesalam Jalloud, Gaddafi’s number two at the time, which degenerated into a threat against the former Prime Minister.
Mr Mintoff described the meeting, which lasted several hours, as “the greatest fight” of his life. “Jalloud shouted at Mintoff that even the waters in Malta’s Grand Harbour fell within Libyan waters. Mintoff gave as good as he got.
“I suspect Jalloud retorted by pulling out a gun or making direct physical threats.
“Why else would Mintoff tell me, more than once, that the incident was scarier than anything else he had been through?” Dr Attard Montalto writes.
The article adds to Dr Attard Montalto’s previous contribution to The Times in the wake of Mr Mintoff’s death on August 20.
In it, the MEP wrote about the enduring friendship he had struck in 1987 with Mr Mintoff, then 71, shortly after he was first elected to Parliament at the age of 34.
The two met at least once a week for the following 16 years, apart from during Dr Montalto’s 22-month stint as minister in Alfred Sant’s Government.
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Charles Vella
Sep 21st 2012, 23:25
The man who shamed Malta... thank God he is gone for good!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Sep 21st 2012, 22:02
@ M Grima today at 20:55
You seem to be incapable of differentiating between hollow common diplomatic courtesies between heads of governments even when the real status is one of extreme diffidence, and the long lasting enthusiastic and unstinting support of Mintoff for Gaddafi when he was an international pariah because of his tyrannical rule over his own people and his enthusiastic supporter of a murderous international terrorism
Mr Edward Caruana Galizia
Sep 21st 2012, 20:18
"Mintoff always knew who he was dealing with: an arbitrary, unpredictable man, made ruthless by the international politics in his region and his ability to buy almost anyone and anything"
This is probably not true. We all know that when the Americans were going to bomb Ghaddafi it was the Labour Government, the good friend of Ghaddafi, that warned him, prolonging the suffering of the Libyan people.
These guys were best mates. Have we all forgotten the Human Rights award Mintoff got form this monster?
Peter Midler
Sep 21st 2012, 21:31
Mr Edward Caruana Galizia let me tell you in Maltese...'Qed thawwad!'
That incident in 1985/86 was during KMB's premiership. Get your facts right please before you go public.
Another point. If Gaddafi wanted to give Mintoff an award, why refuse it?? Malta had so much to gain from Libja and Mintoff knew it. The west followed suit.
You really do not know Mintoff. You have no idea about the man, his wit and his love for Malta! Believe me. Perhaps propaganda has got the better of you!
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Sep 22nd 2012, 10:23
@ECG
Again please get your facts/insinuations right.
It was not DM who warned him of the imminent attack..
Lawrence Fenech
Sep 21st 2012, 19:24
The day I hear the late Dom Mintoff making this statement I will believe it.
Charles.C. Brown
Sep 21st 2012, 19:13
This is either to be taken with a pinch of salt or an invention of whoever said it, both Gaddaffi and Mintoff are now dead and they are not here to defend themselves. If this was true whoever said it he should have said it when they where both with us and not now.To me these kind of people are cowards and should be sidelined and ignored. Whatever the deceased did in there lifetime ,good or bad let god now be the judge.May they both RIP. amen.
Mr Anthony Briffa
Sep 21st 2012, 18:53
@ Pat Muscat
This is the difference between you and us unfortunately. We do not criticize the good achievements. On the contrary the PN in 2009 went out of its way to save the jobs at SGS. What the PN does not do is put spokes in the wheels to gain political mileage.
In this connection however, I ask you to have a serious look around you and compare the job opportunities under the MLP 1971 - 1987 and the job opportunities under the PN government 1987 to date. I am ignoring the Sant stint in government as you must agree with me that it was a disaster in all aspects.
I would like to list the major industries that were lured to Malta by the MLP government. The unemployment records achieved under labour prove the contrary.
I do not want to delve further into education at all levels, health services, financial services, foreign policy etc. I will leave those aspects for you to ponder about.
Ross Stephen
Sep 21st 2012, 18:14
What I find most funny is What idiot would have sold a Nuclear sub or Uranium to us in Malta lol, come on you think USA or UK would have helped us go Nuclear. As much as I dislike Mintoff come on. This guy has more stories than JK Roland's
Mr Anthony Briffa
Sep 21st 2012, 18:03
Anthony A. Mifsud
It looks like my comment has upset you a bit. I do not think I was in any case personal, but what can I say?
When I read your tit bit about the corporations that where inherited from the MLP administration, and that they were so strong, and that unfortunately were sold for peanuts by our liberating PN government after 1987, I wonder why people had to look for work in the Libyan desert. If these corporations were as strong as you intimate, all should have stayed and worked in Malta, enjoying the family in a very tranquil environment.
If my memory still serves me right, the list includs 'Il-Fabrica ta' l-elf, tac-cikolata, tal-hieg, tat-tapiti, ta' lipakjar taz-zebbug u l-kappar, il-Marsa Shipyard, ir-Red China Dock, etc. Read my lips, these were all white elephants. and the MLP star candidate and finance guru is calling that dark time in our history as the 'zmien tad-deheb' and he wants to adopt the Mintoff economics.
You need not bother to teach any rock because history cannot be re-written as it suits the MLP in its current campaign. the statements being made by the front line dinosaurs are its condemnation.
The MLP twice missed a golden opportunity to elect a real leader from 1992 to today. the clique in the MLP preferred Sant to Spiteri, and Muscat to Abela. The MLP in both case made a disservice to itself in particular and to Malta in general.
Politics are not just winning an election. That is the easiest part. It is the ability to govern and create wealth that matters, and that is the most difficult part. The MLP has not the ability to do the latter.
Sorry for my educating session. I do not mean to upset you.
pat muscat
Sep 21st 2012, 18:09
@Mr Anthony Briffa. History can never be re written that is why PN apologist cannot negate that the major industries in Malta, plus AGS Thomson (that still exports 50%+ of our exports) were all lured to Malta by a Labour administration. Imagine how richer we would all be if PN did the same!
carmel muscat
Sep 21st 2012, 17:10
la dak li qallek mintoff muwiex miktub tista tajd li trid ghax hadt mu sa jemnek biss jekk qied miktub ximkien ma jista immerik hadt mela kuragg ohrog id dokumenti li juru dak li ktiebt u jemnek kullhadd - - - - - - - - -
Michael Magri
Sep 21st 2012, 17:04
“Mintoff was stunned and REFUSED. Not after all his efforts, Mintoff told me, to demilitarise and de-nuclearise the Mediterranean.”
Why all this stupid spinning and childish fuss when Dom Mintoff bluntly told Gaddafi OFF as he always fought hard for his vision of a Nuclear and Wars FREE Mediterranean and thus a NEWTRAL MALTA... !!!!
Let me assure you Guys... ITS NO USE.... Be Credible if you can..
John Scerri
Sep 21st 2012, 16:56
And Attard Montaldo want us to believe all this ?
Who was unpredictable? Gadafi ?.....
Many used to wake up every morning asking themselves ''what's up ?'' during Mintoff's and KMB's reign.
Shut up Attard Montaldo ...let us live in peace ....we have been doing so for 25 years .
We will continue to do so in the future no matter what.
Oh And has ALEX S T got anything to say about this?
J Martinelli
Sep 21st 2012, 16:30
"Mintoff always knew who he was dealing with: an arbitrary, unpredictable man, made ruthless by the international politics in his region and his ability to buy almost anyone and anything."
How sad! How bloody sad! So Mintoff knew all along, but still invited the terrorist seven times, including at the "Jum il-Helsien"[sic] celebration and yet he let himself be Gaddafi's rook! He paraded him, he dined with him and made him a showpiece at Labour Mass meetings.
Did the 'submarine affair' happen around 1984, by any chance? Maybe MEP John Attard Montalto can shed some light? Did KMB visit Gaddafi between 1984 and 1987?
So, we were right all along and very little else is needed to prove that Mintoff was in Gaddafi's back pocket! Viva s-Salvatur!
Tony Dalli
Sep 21st 2012, 16:50
@martinelli.
It seems that you know best, why bother KMB at this stage.
Have you read Dr. JAM comments he explicitly said the Mintoff refused to act as a political broker.
Charles J. Buttigieg
Sep 22nd 2012, 09:12
Mr Martinelli,in politics like in many other situation, come times when one has to ' ibus id li jistieqa maqtuha'. Sorry I don't know the English equivalent of that adage,literally translated it means, kissing the hand which you wish it was chopped off.
GL Calleja
Sep 21st 2012, 15:41
It is a shame that both Mintoff and Gaddafi are dead and gone, and neither one of them cannot attest to any of this. Again " Believe none of what you hear and only believe half of what you see".
J Martinelli
Sep 21st 2012, 16:33
And you think for one second that either would have told you the truth? KMB is still around, maybe you can ask him, a usual reliable source as he is
Charles Vella
Sep 21st 2012, 23:29
Go tell this to KMB!! He was the one who acted SOOO neutral, and called gaddafi to save him from being bombed by the UK and the USA in 1988, after GADDAFI KILLED MORE THEN 500 PEOPLE on the Scottish town of Lockerbie, with the bomb leaving UNDIDECTED from Malta!!! With Malta being tagged as a TERRORIST COUNTRY!!!!! THAT IS MINTOFF AND GADDAFI... and pretty soon, KMB will join them having tea in you know where!!
Mr Peter Vella
Sep 21st 2012, 15:15
This story brings to mind that ancient proverb "He who sups with the devil should have long spoon".
I think the events mentioned by JAM bring out clearly the true difference between the MLP/PL way of thinking and that of the PN. The MLP/PL see nothing wrong in building a "personal friendship" with a tyrant as this is justifiable by the fact that was in "Malta's interest" and the "only way that Europe would listen to us". On the other hand the PN adopted the "politics of persuasion" (so aptly named by Guido de Marco) and took Malta to its rightful place within the EU without having to resort to dramatics and to "supping with the devil".
The PN was behind the two most important events in Malta's recent history, Independence and joining the EU. What has the MLP ever achieved in comparison? A change in the Head of State in 1974 and a fake "helsien" when the British decided they no longer needed Malta as a military base and took off.
carlos ellul
Sep 21st 2012, 16:47
It also fought for the women votes, the decriminalisation of homosexuality, pensions and religious secularism. Just ask a woman/gay/elderly person if they would swap these rights for Malta's joining the eu etc.
J Martinelli
Sep 21st 2012, 18:06
Carlos Ellul
Your question is, well, silly, to put it mildly. One does not swap a good thing for another because in the process he would lose what he bartered, no?
The same question, you can answer yourself. Would you prefer to have been integrated with Britain instead of becoming independent? Would you prefer the government to by the groceries for you, the brands of its choice, the price set by itself, etc., etc., than be a member of the EU, enjoying wide open trade, choice of brands, unlimited quantities, better jobs, etc.? Would you go back to the living conditions of the 70s and 80s? Would you continue to give credit to the LP when such credit precedes the party of Malta's saviour? And what about gays and elderly persons? Have you ever visited l-Imgieret as was formerly known and survived the stench and the third world conditions there where the 'elderly' were placed simply to die? And what about gays? How were gays better protected before we joined the EU? Enlighten me, will you?
Ross Stephen
Sep 21st 2012, 18:07
Totally agree, however I rather we had kept the Queen as Canada, Australia, Mew Zealand have and before anyone says they will become republic, remember Australia has held 2 republic referendum and both failed, I wonder what the out come would have been if we had held one ?????
carlos ellul
Sep 21st 2012, 22:35
Dear mr martinelli My point is that both parties has their share of glory/shame in their history books. If that wasnt the case malta would have been the european version of zimbabwe and not a modern country with a good standard of living. Which makes our politicians tactic of using the past as a weapon ridiculous. I bet no pn supporter would accept that the pns stance against the women votes, pensions and its absolute silence regarding the churchs crusade against the mlp were examples of the party being at the right side of history.
carlos ellul
Sep 21st 2012, 22:38
Before mintoff changed our laws, gays were sent to prison. He change that law despite fierce opposition from both the pn and the church lead by archbishop gonzi.
Mr Anthony Briffa
Sep 21st 2012, 14:32
@Anthony J. Mifsud
So according to your's and the MLP's philosophy, whoever was in government employment during the Mintoff years should be grateful to Mintoffi/Gaddafi for receiving a salary. Mintoff was supposed to be the champion of the workers and should never have expected any thank you from the workers when they were receiving nothing extra but what was their right.
The customs in Libya are what they are and greeting a guest with either a hand shake or a hug is a normal polite gesture, which they expect to be reciprocated likewise.
I reiterate that Mintoff's policies, both financial and foreign were the worst that Malta has ever had. He rendered Malta a beggar in front of dictators of the like of Gaddafi without ever succeeding to create wealth and employment in Malta. Nobody would have ventured the Libyan desert had there was decent, well paid jobs at the time.
On the contrary, nowadays, our youth find employment locally without they having to say any thank you to the government, which is committed to continue to provide an environment which attracts foreign and local investment, without having to go in front of nobody to give guarantees of continuity. The results currently being attained are a guarantee in themselves.
We cannot help not mentioning the black years of the 70's and the 80's because the front line of the current MLP is still the front line of the MLP of the 70's and the 80's that period.
Min jitwieled tond qatt ma jista jsir kwadru.
Anthony A. Mifsud
Sep 21st 2012, 15:32
@SurBriffa.
That's what happens when people like you have nothing to add, just keep wearing your blinkers.
I have to say, that the worst battle, is when trying to educate the rock , quite difficult ! I say old chap?
I stick to my conservative philosophy, as I had enough educating others
The so called black days of the 70 & 80' where the years of progress to all, just small reflection, how many cooperate parastatal company's are left to sell for peanuts?
What was our nations bebpt? Your good on the desk?
Ninu
Francis Saliba M.D.
Sep 21st 2012, 16:43
@ Anthony A Mifsud. today at 15:32
May I suggest that you take some time off from trying to "educate others" and devote more time "trying to educate the rock" that not only wears blinkers, but that is so dissociated from historical facts that he pretends to be incredulous even when proof of the dismal servitude of Mintoff's MLP to an international terrorist pariah like Gaddafi is flung in his face by no less a witness than a former VIP in that MLP fold.
M Grima
Sep 21st 2012, 20:55
@Francis Saliba M.D.
If I recall correctly the last head of state to embrace and kiss Gaddafi in his tent before he was overthrown was your beloved Dr. Gonzi and to cap it all he had the gall to invite the guy for a state visit. Some people have a really short memory but it suits them to chose part of our history (not really history because it only happened a few years back) to twist things to their liking.
carmel muscat
Sep 21st 2012, 13:29
ahna poplu CUC ax nivutaw biex lil min nivutaw issir aktar SINJUR ax l ewwel jigu joqodu jitkarbu wara bibna biex nivtawlom imbadt kif jitillu lanqas jibqu jafuna u dan jod ghal kandidati kollha ta limma kulur huwma - - - - - --
Richard Caruana
Sep 21st 2012, 12:53
Well well, now that's one trait of Mintoff we didn't know.... he had a sense of humour.
At least enough to fool someone like JAM if what he's telling is true!
Sandro Lapira
Sep 21st 2012, 15:56
Well said!! and we should assume that there was much much more then we will ever know about the Mintoff and Gaddafi relationship.
Ross Stephen
Sep 21st 2012, 12:50
History will always shape the future. But what we should all focus on is pushing the country forward and continue to grow the economy. Mintoff/GBO are gone lets leave the tales be. We will never know what would have life been like if we had taken a different path e.g intergration/commonwealth realm/not joined euro. Lets focus on now
Michael Schembri
Sep 21st 2012, 12:49
Why do you never show Gonzi and all on the PN side shaking hands with Gaddafi? There are hundreds of them pics with extra happy faces meeting Gaddafi.
Joe M Borg
Sep 21st 2012, 13:08
Because Gonzi was NOT asked for a nuclear submarine, was NOT decorated by Gaddafi, and was NOT a recipient of party founding by the colonel.
John Zammit
Sep 21st 2012, 13:32
@ Joe M Borg True but was other high Maltese politician (on the other side) also decorated. I am sure this was done in the interest of Malta by both parties
j brincat
Sep 21st 2012, 12:29
@Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
@Poplu Malti u Għawdxi,
Madoffi Nen, (ex PN councillor) you nearly broke my heart (with laughter, of course)!
LOL!!!
(jb)
j brincat
Sep 21st 2012, 12:27
Why all of sudden all this rush by JAM to reveal what went on between him and the Dom?
(jb)
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Sep 21st 2012, 14:48
@J.brincat,
Madoffi Nen, (ex PN councillor) you nearly broke my heart (with laughter, of course)!
Ara veru ma tistħux intom tal-Lejber,
Ivalanqas daqsxejn dispjaċir għall dak kollu li wettaqtu f’dawk iż-żminijiet ma għandkom!
X’ma jemminx il-poplu Malti u Għawdxi li jek terġgħu tkunu fil-gvern ħniżrijiet u tbattijiet bħal-tas=sengħinijiet u t-tmeninijiet terġgħu twetqu, bla mintħija u bla ebdaskruplu, Sur J, Brincat.
Mela l-aħjar ħu li tieħdu dan il-parir:
"Your choice is mychoice.pn. Your choice is voting for the PN for stability in the future you want to build. The PN is your choice for health, work and education,"
Kuraġġ Maltin u Għawdxin ejjew inħarsu din l-Indipendenza ta' Malta, u inkatru l-liberta, il-paċi, id-demokrazija, u dan l-ġid u l-barka kollha mal-Prim Ministru Dr Lawrece Gonzi fi' gvern ieħor na
L Mizzi
Sep 21st 2012, 15:31
@ Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
My Choice for health, work & education...?
Int bis-serjeta` siehbi? Minn daqs dawk affarjiet is-Sahha semmejt? Fuq id-dizastru li sar fil-qasam tas-sahha, huwa bizzejjed biex ma nivvotax PN... Waiting lists ma jispiccaw qatt... Emergenza tistenna nofs ta` nhar biex jarawk u granet biex ituk sodda... stretchers fil-kurituri... staff demoralizat u ghajjien... hela ta` spazju... sptar bla sodod... Promotions lil nies li anqas biss kienu kwalifikati... inkompli?
A Trapani
Sep 21st 2012, 18:33
L.Mizzi.... X'se jaghmel differenti JM ghidli please. At least we do have a hospital which is state of the art and although there are some difficult issues to tackle, some of them mentioned by you, there are many other departments doing just fine and providing professional services on a daily basis. Ftakar illi ghal labour, Mater Dei kien kapricc Ta Fenech Adami u Kieku ghadna b'St. Luke's.
Kevin Tanti
Sep 21st 2012, 11:55
After Mintoff's death , Dr JAM is giving us alot of surprises. First when he said that Mintoff sent him to buy the Curia and then this one. Sorry I can't beleive you anymore. I regret any vote I gave you
Joseph Attard
Sep 21st 2012, 12:33
Forsi jrid jerga' jibda jissemma xi ftit hux! Ghax l-ahhar li saret l-elezzjoni parlamentari bata ftit biex tela u mnalla wiret ammont ta' voti f'daqqa, grazzi ghas-sistema bazwija tal-kunjomijiet
Mr Alan Zahra
Sep 21st 2012, 11:47
After all Mintoff wasn't that great negotiator if he couldn't even get his/the nation's rights to drill for oil in our own territory. Probably all this Gaddafi affair was the biggest blunder in this country's foreign affairs history ever and clearly shows how dangerous it was to steer the country away from European mainland - when all aspects of our economy depended so much on these countries
G Schembri
Sep 21st 2012, 12:56
I agree with you, it's a good thing we elected Dr Fenech Adami who started drilling soon after the 1
G Schembri
Sep 21st 2012, 12:57
I agree with you, it's a good thing we elected Dr Fenech Adami who started drilling for oil in the same place soon after he was elected in 1987.
c scudi
Sep 21st 2012, 11:31
Am sure the real truth behind the myths that were created will slowly unfold and the real stories are told..just like this one..
Gianninu Saliba
Sep 21st 2012, 11:27
Now that both dictators are dead, who would be in a position to deny Attard Montalto' story. Now how can we believe Dr. Attard Montalto's claim that his idol wanted to demilitarise and de-nuclearise the Mediterranean, when we all know that he bought weapons to arm the police so that they will be in a position to beat PN support when they celebrated Malta's greatest day. Dr. Attard Mpontalto can try as hard as he can to glorify the man who had caused so much hardship. The fact remains that history has a very different openion of the man who terrorized a nation.
G Schembri
Sep 21st 2012, 13:00
Malta never bought any nuclear weapons, let alone use them against the PN. Had the police used nuclear weapons against the PN you wouldn't be here to tell the tale.
Richard Caruana
Sep 21st 2012, 15:15
Neither would you, G. Schembri!
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Sep 21st 2012, 11:24
@Poplu Malti u Għawdxi,
Nikkwota“Mintoff always knew who he was dealing with: an arbitrary, unpredictable man, made ruthless by the international politics in his region and his ability to buy almost anyone and anything.”
Ara minn min konna immexxijien, kien jaf ma minn qed jagħmila u jinnegozzja, kien jaf bil-perikli kollha, u kompla jissogra s-sigurta u l-progress u l-benessere tal-poplu Malti u Għawdxi!
Dan x'jissejjaħ Dr Attard Montaldo?
Dan ta' minn jiftaħar bih, Dr Attard Montaldo?
Dan ta' minn jitwerwer minnhu!
Imbgħad illum membri prominenti tal-Partit Lejburista ta' Joe Muscat jgħidulna li jriedu jerġgħu jħadmu l-politika dażastruża ta' Dominku Mintoff, X' disgrazzja tkun għalina l-Maltin u l-Għawdxin!
Mela ħsiebek hemm poplu Malti u għawdxi, żomm f'moħħok u quddiem għajnejk iż-żminijiet koroħ, ta'
terrur, inġustizji, transfers vendikattivi, qtil ta' Nardu Debono fid-Depot tal-Pulizija, friża tal-pagi, skejjek
mgħaluqa, tobba Maltin imkeċċija, Xogħol fil-korpi miliatri bil-paga minima, sptarijiet privati mgħaluqa,
bulkbying biss taħt it-tmexxija diżastruża tal-gvernijiet tas-sebgħinijiet u t-tmeninijiet taħt Mintof u KMB, għax
terġa tesperjenza dan kollu poplu Malti u Għawdxi, jekk fil-gvern terġa tpoġġi lill Partit Lejburista!
Mela l-aħjar ħu li tieħu dan il-parir:
"Your choice is mychoice.pn. Your choice is voting for the PN for stability in the future you want to build. The PN is your choice for health, work and education,"
Kuraġġ Maltin u Għawdxin ejjew inħarsu din l-Indipendenza ta' Malta, u inkatru l-liberta, il-paċi, id-demokrazija, u dan l-ġid u l-barka kollha mal-Prim Ministru Dr Lawrece Gonzi fi' gvern ieħor nazzjonalista għall ħamessnin oħra!
Mr Anthony Briffa
Sep 21st 2012, 12:04
Prosit Nenu.
Joseph Attard
Sep 21st 2012, 12:20
Hlief passat mhux kapaci issemmu. Erbhu l-argumenti bil-prezent. Wara kollox l-istorja tmur lura is-snin jekk trid. Imma intom tghazlu li ssemmu it-80 biss. Qatt ma ssemmu kemm nies laburisti batew fis-60. Jew dawk mhux nies kienu. Nahseb li mal-grajjiet li semmejt ta' zmien mintoff qabzulek xi grajjiet bhad-drittijiet li ta bhaz-zwieg civili u t-tnehhija tal-piena kapitali u kif refa' l-fuq lill-batut. Bilhaqq mad-delitti li saru fis-snin imdemmija , qbizt dak ta' Karen Grech.
M'ghandix eta' daqsek u ghalhekk nixtieq nitghallem: x'sar minnhom dawk il-puluzija li kienu prezenti fil-qtil ta' Debono?
Daniel Borg
Sep 21st 2012, 12:34
Jaqaw qed itik €500 extra mal paga? Jek fil kas andek ragun titbaqbaq daqsek...
JOE CUTAJAR
Sep 21st 2012, 12:38
L-anqas int ta`gewwa wkoll!
m. borg (slm)
Sep 21st 2012, 12:42
Tinsewx li l-qorti maltija iddikjarat li idejn l-oppozzizjoni ta' dawk iz=zmienijiet huma imcapssa bid-demm ta' Caren Grech.
Dwar Nardu Debono l-istess pulizija li kienu involuti barra l-kummissarju hadu l-promowxins minn gvern nazzjonalista tal 1987.
Sewa qal is-sur Attard mohkom fil-passat ghaliex maghadkomx vizjoni tal-futur, mintkomx ahjar minn nisa tat-toroq li jinfexxew jitghajru bil-makamenti ta' xulxin bhallikieku huma ma ghandhomx.
G Schembri
Sep 21st 2012, 13:04
Sur Nin, il-plitika ta Mintoff, icivilzzat il-poplu Malti, ghax edukat lil dik il-faxxa tas-socjeta li intom kontu tajruhom injoranti u hamali. Issa sur Nin difficili tergghu tidhku bihom.
A Trapani
Sep 21st 2012, 13:07
@ Joseph.... Mhux mal passant irridu inqablu jekk irridu nikkomparaw Liz zewg partiti ? Ittih tort Iil poplu malti jikkompara iz zminijiet t'issa ma zminijiet tat tmexxija laburista ?
Joseph Attard
Sep 21st 2012, 13:41
@ Trapani
L-ahhar gvern laburista kien fin-96. Imma f'dak iz-zmien ma tistax issemmi vjolenza ghax ma tezistix. allura tghazlu li tinjoraw u tipprovaw tbezzghu bil-vjolenza ghalkemm tafu li Dr Muscat qatt ma kien jappogga l-vjolenza u zgur mhux se jittollera jew jinstiga l-vjolenza
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Sep 21st 2012, 15:10
@Joseph Attard,
Nikkwota:Hlief passat mhux kapaci issemmu. Erbhu l-argumenti bil-prezent.
Għall grazzja t’Alla moħħi għadu jiftakar mhux ħażin dawk iż-żmonijiet tal-biża Lejburisti, u ġismi għadu jħoss is-swat li tajtuna b’kull mod immaġinabli, u f’imnifseja għadni nxom il-gass jifgag f’tal-Barrani milll-marmalja pulizija Lejburista, u għalkemm għajneja għadhom jerquni bil-gas, ix-xeni degredanti tad-dbatijiet li sofra il-poplu Malti u Għawdxi għadni narahom ċari sallum, Sur Joseoh Attard!
Issa jekk inti ma jimpurtakx minn dan, affari tiegħek!
Mela l-aħjar ħu li tieħdu dan il-parir:
"Your choice is mychoice.pn. Your choice is voting for the PN for stability in the future you want to build. The PN is your choice for health, work and education,"
Kuraġġ Maltin u Għawdxin ejjew inħarsu din l-Indipendenza ta' Malta, u inkatru l-liberta, il-paċi, id-demokrazija, u dan l-ġid u l-barka kollha mal-Prim Ministru Dr Lawrece Gonzi fi' gvern ieħor nazzjonalista!
Joseph Attard
Sep 21st 2012, 15:42
Il-vjolenza hi hazina u kundannabli. Imma ma wegibt xejn mill-punti tieghi. Ha nerga' nistaqsik wahda biss: X'sar minnhom il-pulizija nvoluti fil-kaz ta' Debono?
Bilhaqq anke l-laburisti ghadhom mugugha.. ghax fis-snin 60 (li nahseb li int tiftakar) intefghu fin-nar tal-infern ghax kellhom ideal politku ( jew hekk kienu jbellghukom).
Tal-barrani ssemmuha hafna u naqbel mieghek li hi kundannabli imma . Qatt hsibt minn xiex kienu ghaddew il-laburisti meta maru l-meeting fit-tokk?
Qed insemmi l-passat biex inqabbillek. Ghax dak li sehh 30 jew 50 sena ilu hu irrilevanti.
Jien nemmen fil-futur.. futur li jghaqqadna
A Trapani
Sep 21st 2012, 18:38
Joseph Attard.... Futur li jaqqadna mall passat ghax jekk kif qed tghid int JM diffenti, Ta madwaru ghadom l-istess nies illi jiftakru u kienu involuti f'dawk iz zminijiet
josef pace
Sep 22nd 2012, 06:17
Hello sur Aquelina {NENU} Naqra Dak li tikteb inti u ma nafx jek ghandix nithak jew nipki ghax hlif bizza u twerwir ma nismax min ghandek u tajt dan ghala ux????????.
Forsi qied tibza ftit izejed nahseb ghax phal ma jajd il-malti il-kelb il-mismut kull ilma jahsbu mishu . Ttkelem fiz-zmien 70-80 biex twerwer in-nies jiena najt li dak iz-zmien saru afarijit tajbin u hzina ukoll .Imma jiena il-lum qied nejx u meta hasejt li MLP naqas il-fiducja tieghi kont tajta lil PN ghax ivutajt skont il-kuxjenza tieghi u ma jidispjacini xejn .
Imma lum mod ihor jiena najt mux nazjonalisti hzina imma gonzipn mexxa hazin ghax tisma niex min istes partit jadulek jekk ma tkun min ta gewwa mandekx cans u dan mux jiena qied najdu imma deputati nazjonalisti .
tiftah TV pn hlif glied intern bejn membru u ihor ma tismax ,Kliem ta bizza fuq zmien ta mintoff ma tismax u haluna ahna mahnix cwic maltin phal ma qalu xi membru parlamentarji il-lum naf nizen u nazel .
U min naha lohra tara Pl modern leader mimli energija u kurag u dan jisma min ant in-nies xjixtiqu u mux jadotawlu phal kungress li sar impresjonanti u ghalek jiena najt fejn hemm il-bizza hemm it-tama ,fejn hemm id-dlam jisbah id-dawl fejn hemm il-hazin hemm it-tajeb u dan jimlini kurag kbir sihbi u mux biza .
mela kull hadd ghandu mohh biex jahseb u sewwa jerbah zgur u la ha noqod najt jiena lil min trid tivota u lanqas hadd ma ghandu drit jat dan tinsix li fil-kamra tal-vot wahdek tkun u qabel nivota nirifleti u nahseb muz fil-bizza li tikteb inti ima fdawk afarijit phal 600euro zida per week li hadu ministri u lina tawna cucata, fuq ariva ta zmien il-buzuloti ser jispica,fuq divorzju drit civili u PM baqa jivota kontra avolja nies riduh dan id-drit u katidral ta san gwan insoma elf haga ohra u qabel nitlaq il-transfers vendikativi li inti qied isejah li kiku jitla PL isiru il-lum jekk phali turi li mintix taqbel ma tmexija ta gonzipn taqlaha ukol naf xqied najt jiena minix kontra partit nazjonalista imma kontra tmexija ta gonzipn .
ex PN
Ms.D. Galea
Sep 21st 2012, 11:20
A mere tiff between blood-brothers.
charles tabone
Sep 21st 2012, 11:17
Because Dom was a great gentleman, never a boot licker and always true to his ideal of peace, no matter how much PN tries to taint his image.
Eric Sammut
Sep 21st 2012, 11:40
Never a boot licker?? You mean he licked the wrong boots. Can you believe what he put the island through? And I wonder what the untold story is. So much for showing the cold sholder to the west. Can you imagine what would of happend if Mintoff got killed in Libya? They would of first blame the west, than take over the island in an excuse to protect it. Thats politics for you.
Leslie Darmanin
Sep 21st 2012, 11:05
Mintoff got his fingers burnt over Libya. So much for his genius in foreign affairs. If he really knew what he was dealing with, as Dr Attard Montalto calims, how come he was stunned to find out about Gaddafi's nuclear plans? And worse, how come he did not anticipate the serious 1980 incident? No, Mintoff did not use Gaddafi as leverage against the west. No, he associated himself with him, preferring him to western allies because it fed his ego to gain international attention, albeit as a little Napoleon on a miniscule state. He preferred the likes of Caucescu and that North Korean dicatator now in his third reincarnation to western democracies because he was as arrogant and dictatorial as they were. And see where it got us to - threats from Libyan patrol boats. Wow, what a foreign policy genius this Mintoff was. And wow again, he even got us a nuclear free zone to boot. What socialist rubbish.
joseph cassar
Sep 21st 2012, 11:04
Ghaliex ma naghmlux monument lil gaddafi wkoll?
Karl Consiglio
Sep 21st 2012, 11:00
Insomma they're both dead now.
Jo Camm
Sep 21st 2012, 11:04
Karl, dak li l-bniedem jaghmel, jghix warajh.
Gianninu Saliba
Sep 21st 2012, 11:30
Jo Camm, what you really mean is "the evil that men do lives after"... and the man in question did a lot of evil. So much so that he said more than once that he is prepared to make a pact with the devil. Hopefully, the devil never accepted the offer.
carmen delia
Sep 21st 2012, 10:59
La kien jaf daqshekk Attard Montalto issa jmissu jghidilna uwkoll x kien il ftehim bejn Mintoff u Gaddafi biex malta ma nhaffrux ghaz jejt
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Sep 21st 2012, 11:11
If you even bothered to read what JAM wrote then you wouldn't even have asked such a silly question....
joseph saliba
Sep 21st 2012, 10:52
Good for him, good for us. Old and irrelevant episode.
Paul Bajada
Sep 21st 2012, 10:35
Look whom Gonzi went to hug last year! A dictator who sought to purchase nuclear subs. God knows what they discussed in privacy under Gaddafi's tent.
Antonio Micallef
Sep 21st 2012, 12:30
Hey, are you for real?
Joe M Borg
Sep 21st 2012, 13:15
Gonzi just hugged him like leaders hug each others, for the camera. It seems that Mintoff's hug was beyond that! Submarines, party funding, Gaddafi's decoration...... Gaddafi NEVER decorated Gonzi like he did Mintoff, because Gonzi wasn't dancing to Gaddafi's tune.
Edward Gatt
Sep 21st 2012, 14:00
@ Paul Bajada
Do you know who was the first foreign leader that Joseph Muscat visited when he became Leader of the Opposition? THat's right - Gaddafi!
Do you know what was discuseed? I don't!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Sep 21st 2012, 10:31
Dr Attard Montaldo's belated revelations only confirm the humiliating depths to which Malta was dragged by Mintoff with his flirtation with a tyrannical international terrorist who had the cheek to claim sovreignity even over the Grand Harbour of a Malta for which George Borg Olivier had obtained independence!
Anthony A. Mifsud
Sep 21st 2012, 13:58
Why don't you do a direct challenge to Dottre Montaldo, ya hassra, imsiken.
Ninu
Francis Saliba M.D.
Sep 21st 2012, 16:23
@ Anthony A Mifsud, today at 13:58.
What do you mean exactly? Do you want me to challenge Dottore Montaldo to a duel with rapiers in Sda Stretta?
I have no quarrel with Dr Attard Montaldo for saying it as it is - better late than never! My quarrel is with the LP fanciers of the "blood brother" quasi-vassal bond forged by Mintoff & Co. with that monster.
Victor Pulis
Sep 21st 2012, 10:31
The facts are that after the closure of the British base relations between Malta and Libya deteriorated. Which goes to show what kind of 'friendship'existed between the two countries and what intentions Gaddafi had. His only ambition was to get rid of the thorn in his derrier. And that's history.
P. Ciantar
Sep 21st 2012, 10:23
birds of a feather flock together
E. Curmi
Sep 21st 2012, 10:21
Is salvatur !!! My foot
Marco Galea
Sep 21st 2012, 10:10
oh really??? Can Mintoff confirm or deny this? NO that's why the story came out today, Attard Montalto, not impress!
Anthony A. Mifsud
Sep 21st 2012, 10:08
Is this the fruit card, that ExGonzipn, hold? Vera waslt flghhar il partition kollu.
Who knows why Dr. Gonzi was hugging Muammar just before he got nicked, if the revouluion never took place, what would be the fait of Air Malta. The sale tag was more then visible.
Ninu
Mr Anthony Briffa
Sep 21st 2012, 12:25
Sur Mifsud it looks like you are not familiar as to how Arabs great each other and their guests. The Arabs greet their guests either with a hand shake or a hug. Reciprocating in the same way is only natural. One has to live in an Arab country to get to understand these customs.
Please stop, you and your ilk, to fuss about Dr. Gonzi's hug with Gaddafi. It is a very lame way to excuse Mintoff's dangerous friendship with Gaddafi.
Malta gained only unfavourable publicity in the western world through this friendship. This explains that whilst the West was booming during the 70's and 80's, we in Malta were nursing the biggest ever unemployment register and our standard of living was in doldrums.
So much for the golden years, Mintoff economics and foreign policy.
Anthony A. Mifsud
Sep 21st 2012, 13:32
Sur Briffa,
I think I've spent enough time there to know the insides outs, of the Libyan culture, and you should know better that, what you had argued is totally wrong as the Libyans Only hug one another when there is a true friendship..
Those doomed days that you mentioned I happened to be in Libya, while others where serving in the local forces happily gaining money that Minoff got fom such friends.
Hence, you should be greatfull to have such memory of such a great man like Duminku Mintoff.
Sahha.
Ninu.
A.f Ellul
Sep 21st 2012, 10:02
Even Gaddafi pray Mintoff not to drill for oil and for this gave money to Mintoff.
anthony sultana
Sep 21st 2012, 09:48
Mintoff had very good freinds indeed.
M. Bezzina
Sep 21st 2012, 10:27
Even Gonzi had....the same friend of Mintoff....
Joe Fenech
Sep 21st 2012, 10:33
All the world (including America) was Gaddafi's friend!
Michael Schembri
Sep 21st 2012, 12:44
And the Pope too shook hands with him.
Albert Farrugia
Sep 21st 2012, 09:41
For all the stories about how Mintoff was subservient to Gaddafi and all that bull...Mintoff was not afraid, in 1980, to sever all relations with Libya and accuse the Libyans of acting as if they were Malta's "worse enemy" when Libya sent military seacraft to intercept drilling operations which were being done on behalf of Malta, so as to enforce a claim regarding oil drilling rights. Infact, since that day, relations betweem Malta and Libya never really reached the level of the 70s.
Michael Borg
Sep 21st 2012, 09:31
oh yess cheap election stunt !|!! yes borg oliver was asked by the British to buy a spaceship !!!! :)
Arthur Taliana
Sep 21st 2012, 11:11
In G B O's time we actually had a US naval vessel with nuclear heads on board scraping against the grand harbour's break water.
JC Sullivan
Sep 21st 2012, 09:31
If the Rt. Hon Mintoff was really your friend the cabinet position should have been declined - friendship is more important.
Anthony Scicluna
Sep 21st 2012, 09:20
Not credible especially since we could never find out whether or not it is true. why didn't Dr Attard Montalto reveal this while Mintoff was still alive? Both G and M are dead so the story cannot be verified
Joe Muscat
Sep 21st 2012, 12:38
What difference would it have made....? To people like you...what is credible?
Anthony Scicluna
Sep 21st 2012, 14:08
@Joe Muscat
A lot of things are credible as long as they may be verified. This is absolutely unverifiable and does more harm then good because it sheds bad light on who said it on Mintoff and on Labour. There again, that's a good thing
David Meilak
Sep 21st 2012, 09:17
Pulled out a gun? Its funny how one can say anything he wants since Mintoff is now dead and can not negate what Montaldo is saying. Trying to depict Mintoff as some sort of 'victim' in any scenario is quite hard to believe.
I think Montaldo is trying to use Mintoff's death to gain some kind of popularity as a politician by acting as Mintoff's Darling.
What a load of b*ll.
A Dimech
Sep 21st 2012, 09:16
Mintoff was a genius of balancing foreign policy - and he took a lot of personal risk to achieve what he achieved for the country. No doubt about it.
Antonio Micallef
Sep 21st 2012, 12:27
.....how about the national risks he took? Was that justified? I think not.
Joe M Borg
Sep 21st 2012, 13:21
What GENIUS are you talking about? Balancing foreign policy?? Being closer to Libya, North Korea, China,et al, rather than the West!! What BALABCE do you see here? Please enlighten us!
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