Registration tax - distinction between cars imported by dealers and owners
The Finance Ministry said today that a case decided yesterday where a couple were refunded VAT and registration tax paid on an imported second hand vehicle had nothing to do with the wider issue over registration tax.
"The opposition is mixing different cases. The case decided in court yesterday has nothing to do with the pending cases on VAT paid on registration tax" the ministry said.
It explained that the case decided yesterday was about a couple who bought a vehicle abroad and personally drove it from another EU member state to Malta before 2008. The vehicle was registered by the person who drove the car to Malta and not by an agent or dealer. The court found that since this person had personally driven the vehicle to Malta, the transaction technically took place in the UK and therefore this was not a transaction which was taxable in Malta for VAT purposes.
The court had dismissed the arguments of the VAT Department that VAT had to be imposed in order to avoid distortion of competition.
"The fact that the court did not find the government responsible but found Transport Malta responsible for the application of the law shows that the court affirmed the duty to charge VAT on registration tax when a vehicle is imported by a dealer," the government said.
It said it therefore deplored the Opposition's efforts to mislead the public by trying to link this particular case to the case where it was contesting the principle of charging VAT on registration tax.
The ministry also recalled that the European Court had decided in a case against Poland, which had a similar tax system as Malta's, that Poland had a duty to charge VAT on registration tax.
The government insisted that it had always conformed to the domestic and EU law and every decision by the courts should be respected.
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Ryan Camilleri
Mar 4th, 09:37
This article helped em a lot to import a car to Malta - http://www.carsaddiction.com/articles/2012/01/complete-guide-to-import-a-car-to-malta
Edmund Grech
Sep 21st 2012, 13:16
Just to correct and to inform, the registration duties are a breach of Art. 30 and 110 of the TFEU. There really is no grey area, no mitigating factors or complicated legal excuses. Its a fact and the only obstical to justice is the interminable wait for a reference to the ECJ in Constitutional court.
Malta has no rule of law - stop pretending it does, it will only make you bitter.
Article 30 of the TFEU prohibits not only customs duties but also charges having equivalent effect. The European Court of Justice defined charge having equivalent effect in Commission v Italy:
[A]ny pecuniary charge, however small and whatever its designation and mode of application, which is imposed unilaterally on domestic or foreign goods by reason of the fact that they cross a frontier, and which is not a customs duty in the strict sense, constitutes a charge having equivalent effect... even if it is not imposed for the benefit of the state, is not discriminatory or protective in effect and if the product on which the charge is imposed is not in competition with any domestic product.
Article 110
(ex Article 90 TEC)
No Member State shall impose, directly or indirectly, on the products of other Member States any internal taxation of any kind in excess of that imposed directly or indirectly on similar domestic products.
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Sep 20th 2012, 19:30
Ejja naraw x'kienet il-bazi vera tas-sentenza li qatghet il-Qorti. Il-gvern jinsisti li s-sentenzi ghandhom jigu rispettati. L-ewwel haga ta-rispett hija li ma tghawwigx dak li tkun qalet il-Qorti.
L-istorja vera kienet bejn karozzi mpurtati mill-EU second hand u dawk tal-istess tip, mahduma fl-EU li jkunu impurtati godda. Kif kienet il-ligi kienet tiffavorixxi lil dawk li jgibu karozzi godda. Wiehed mill-aktar li jifhmu li huma fil-Parlament hu Dr Gonzi li qabel sar segretarju generali tal-PN kien jahdem full-time bhala legal adviser ta' Mizzi tal-karozzi, mpurtaturi ta' karozzi godda.
Il-Qorti bbazat l-argumenti taghha fuq l-ARt 90 tat-Trattat tal-EU ta' dak iz-zmien.
Tant kienet din l-istorja ta' diskriminazzjoni bejn karozza second hand mill-Ewropa u l-istess karozza gdida mill-Ewropa li l-Qorti qalet hekk :
L-Awtorita konvenuta stmat ilvettura
li tiswa Lm3,053, li jfisser taxxa ta’ Lm1,984.
Madankollu t-taxxa li kellha tithallas kienet ta’ Lm4,200
minhabba li l-ligi kienet tipprovdi ghall-minimu ta’ taxxa
pagabbli irrispettivament mill-valur tal-vettura. Fuq it-taxxa
l-Awtorita kienet tezigi hlas tat-Taxxa Fuq il-Valur Mizjud
(18%). Min-naha l-ohra vettura gdida tal-istess tip u
mportata f’Malta kienet soggetta ghal taxxa ta’ 65% fuq ilprezz.
Fuq vetturi second hand li diga’ jinsabu fis-suq
lokali, meta jsir bejgh ma tithallasx taxxa.
Issa mhux kif qed tinghata l-impressjoni li l-kwestjoni kienet biss dwar il-VAT. Meta tela' jixhed ir-rappresentant tal-VAT qal li din ta' VAT fuq it-taxxa qatt ma kienet "transaction" u ghalhekk qatt ma messha ngabret.
Imma l-kwestjonijiet kienu tnejn. L-aktar importanti fuq id-diskriminazzjoni li kienet qed issir favur l-importazzjoni ta' karozzi godda. Min jaf ghaliex ?
Mario Camilleri
Sep 21st 2012, 00:08
Ir-risposta miktuba għal min irid jaraha. Prost tal-ispjega Dottore!
Kurt Mifsud
Sep 20th 2012, 15:50
Il-Ministru irid jilghabha ta l-iblah... taparsi! Illum hafna nies qed jaghzlu li jsuqu overland minflok jibghatu l-karozza fuq trailer. Naf HAFNA nies li ghamlu. Jigifieri qed tghid lil kull min ghamel hekk biex jiftahlek kawza Sur Fenech?
Alfred J. McEwen
Sep 20th 2012, 15:13
Alfred J. McEwen
A whole lot of drivel and dumb excuses to try and wriggle out of paying back people their dues.
marthese schembri
Sep 20th 2012, 19:35
This is Malta and believe me they know every trick in the books.
Jonathan Camilleri
Sep 20th 2012, 13:29
My understanding is that if I am very rich and can afford to drive a second-hand car down from the UK, I pay no registration tax, whilst, if I am really busy with a 9 to 5 job, and, ask an agent to do so, I pay registration tax.
Isn't this a bit unfair socially speaking?
Why are TM trying to mask PL's claims as confusion?
Charles Muscat
Sep 20th 2012, 12:09
In China you are allowed to have one child because of the growing population. In Malta the problem
is the same one car for a family should be enough to reduce the number of cars.
Kurt Mifsud
Sep 20th 2012, 20:46
U x'naghmlu? Nuzaw l-arriva u vjagg ta 20mins jigik xi siegha u nofs?
Joseph Sciberras
Sep 20th 2012, 10:02
Il-ministru il-lum qied jiddistingwi bejn dawk li gabu il-vettura huma u dawk li xtrawa minn ghand agent lokali. Allura ghalfejn din il-kopja kella taghdi minn dan kollu. Kieku ma fetahx kawza il-qorti, il-ministru kien ser iroddlu il-flus lura minn jeddhu? U ghallura ghalfejn giet imposta din it taxxa meta il ministru kien jaf li hija ingusta?
John Zarb
Sep 20th 2012, 09:16
Can the ministry expain why the citizen has to pay vat on registration tax? That is paying a tax over another tax!!!!!!!!
Paul Preston
Sep 20th 2012, 11:32
Lol .. Very good question but "imo" it''s far too easy a question for a politician to answer they tend to dislike straight forward questions like yours !
Tanya Agius
Sep 20th 2012, 15:31
VAT = valued added tax= tax over another tax!!!!!!!! lol
Mario Camilleri
Sep 20th 2012, 09:09
This is the best part - "The fact that the court did not find the government responsible but found Transport Malta responsible for the application of the law shows .................................
So are both TM and the Gov. independent from one another? Who initially made the Malta Transport Authority (MTA) now TM? Does TM operate under different laws to those made by the Gov. (stata)? Are the managers employed directly from ETC? Are the Chairman/CEO appointed by the Opposition, ETC or by sitting for an exam and interview?
What a nonsense statement by the Government!!! Bottom line is that the tax was charged illegally and someone has to be held accountable!!
Will there be a resignation?
Paul Preston
Sep 20th 2012, 11:35
Well said .. And an excellent question regarding are "TM and the current Government independant from one another .. Or is it perhaps simply a case of the Blind leading the Blind ?
Pablo Mallia
Sep 20th 2012, 08:59
When i buy a second hand car, i do not pay VAT, just the transfer fee. Vat is only paid once. Now when i buy a UK import second hand car, i should only pay registration, as VAT was already paid in UK, AND VAT IS ONLY PAID ONCE.
Whatever the gov or TM say, this is day time robbery. VAT SHOULD NOT BE PAID, only registration!
Saviour Sam Agius
Sep 20th 2012, 09:22
Jiġifieri skontok ħanut li jbigħ kotba second hand ma jitlobx VAT fuq dak li jbigħ? Il-VAT titħallas fuq il-bejgħ, indipendentament l-oġġett hux ġdid jew second hand. F'dan il-każ, però, hawn Malta ma sarx bejgħ għax dan il-bniedem irreġistra l-karozza li daħħal huwa stess, u mhux biegħha mill-ġdid.
Gordon Farrugia
Sep 20th 2012, 10:37
nope Saviour you are wrong - second hand items don't have VAT so selling second hand books wouldn't be subject to VAT
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Sep 20th 2012, 17:24
Mr Agius, VAT is a EU wide tax. Once you pay VAT in one EU country there is no requirement to pay VAT again. VAT is only paid one on any item sold/bought.
Jay Oatmon
Sep 20th 2012, 08:52
I would guess that all these exhorbitent taxes and fees go to pay for Malta's illustrious MP's and the customs/excise department personnel - one way or another.
Certainly the car buying public gets nothing from these outrageous taxes and fees - not even reasonable roads.
Darren Cilia
Sep 20th 2012, 07:55
So as said in the first part,the driver drove the car himself..
So, I brought over my personal car from the UK and drove it myself. When I came to Malta I had to pay a lot of money to register the car, and that included VAT.
So, was I suppose to pay that money or not?
Mario Farrugia
Sep 20th 2012, 07:34
I remember that the PL collected funds at the Hamrun headquarters to use to take the Govt to court. Anyone knows what happened next?
John L Galea
Sep 20th 2012, 07:49
The PL collected registrations not funds.
Lawrence Fenech
Sep 20th 2012, 09:05
@Mario.
Patience my friend.
Paul Micallef
Sep 20th 2012, 10:24
THE COURT TOLD THE PL THAT THEY WHERE RIGHT:
Robert Cassar
Sep 20th 2012, 07:30
Very disappointed indeed mr minister, so in malta things work backwards! When the government sees a good market they increase the taxes.. Qedin sew then they complain against Mintoff because he stopped importation and made factories here.. Same rotten principle you are using Mr minister here. If a car was sold in any eu stare vat was already paid on it in eu so WHY pay again for Vat here?? Two ways and two measures a..
Joseph Vassallo, (Bugibba)
Sep 20th 2012, 01:02
I drove my old VAN from UK to Malta in 2007 and was still charged nearly LM2,000 in import duty and VAT.
I had been living in UK for 18 years and had to sell my 3ltr Laguna Initiale because the government was demanding LM11,000 in tax plus additional VAT for me to import it here. I had owned it for a couple of years and its price when new was nearly £30,000. The best price I was able to get for it in UK, given the circumstances, was £4,450.
I was gutted of course but when you are permanently leaving a country you just have to sell for whatever you can get. The car was just four years old and absolutely pristine; but it had a 3ltr petrol engine and the minimum import tax was being demanded.
That was an expensive move considering what I lost on selling my car and what I paid for my van to enter the island. If that is not sod's law, I don't know what is. No advice was volunteered by the authority who could have told me that I was entitled to bring my car free of duty because of my long term away from Malta.
I have it from reliable quarters that civil servants (I assume parastatals too) are engaged to take citizens' property for nothing if they can and they certainly do not offer alternative solutions or guidance. As it turned out, the government received nothing for the car because I did not bring it.
Ah well! Worse things happen at sea, I suppose.
Mr Peter Korsten
Sep 20th 2012, 01:00
"The ministry also recalled that the European Court had decided in a case against Poland, which had a similar tax system as Malta's, that Poland had a duty to charge VAT on registration tax."
The Polish tax applies when the vehicle is delivered, whether it's registered or not. If that is exactly the case in Malta, then the Polish scenario would apply, but if there is a possibility of importing a car and not registering it (and obviously, not driving it), then the Danish scenario would apply, and you would not have to pay VAT over the registration tax.
Given that this car was imported by the owner himself, without the use of a dealer (who in Poland is responsible for collecting the tax), I fail to see how the Polish scenario would apply to this case.
Shaun Anthony Camilleri
Sep 19th 2012, 21:29
What I do not understand is how we pay duty which is a tax and VAT on the total i.e. with duty added. It is double taxation. Like the ECO tax which is added to the sale price then VAT on the total price.
Jeffrey Mallia
Sep 19th 2012, 20:53
Dear minister, your Govt was so wrong on the VAT regime on imported vehicles, that you have changed the system, scraped the VAT and tripled the fee for the REGISTRATION tax.....I bought a vehicle in 2008 and paid 5600 euro, if I had to buy same today, I would be paying 14,000 euro........beat that dear minister.
wayne scicluna
Sep 19th 2012, 20:51
Its seems like the law bends itself over backwards to accommodate GonziPN and cronies.....dw your time will come Mr. Lupen the third.
C Cassar
Sep 19th 2012, 20:37
The tax should be MUCH higher to import a car into Malta. Ther eare far too many on the roads, in fact the highest density in Europe per square kilometer. Just take Denmark for example, the import tax is huge and for a very good reason. If the tax were lower there would be a huge increase in car ownership, especially of luxury cars. Since Denmark doesn't have any kind of car manufacturer, it would mean a huge amount of GDP being sent abroad in the form of profits for the foreign car manufacturers. Instead, Denmark is THE cycling nation of Europe (more so than the Netherlands) and the quality of life as a result is fantastic.
Malta shoule be following teh Danish example and making cars very unattractive to own. Malta doesn't even have the distances a small country like Denmark has, so it's a no brainer for Malta.
More electric cars, much higher taxes on fossil fueld cars and the resultant tax invested in the public transport network.
There is no gain without pain and the Maltese really do need to be dragged into the 21st century.
Duncan Schembri
Sep 19th 2012, 22:03
It is unbeleivable that nowadays we still think this way. If a citizen wants to buy 3 cars, it does not mean that he will drive them all at one time.
To have a decent public transport we still pay our contributions. And please keep in mind that road surfacing and road networks are primarily financed by the driver`s road tax. Problem is that we are encountering a lot of traffic everywhere we go is due to lack of planning of the road network. Twenty years ago, when I was still at school there was already this problem, and I remember teachers astonishing them selves when recalling that we had a large number of cars. This problem was never tackled.
By the way in Malta we also have the higher and more dense population per square kilometer in whole Europe, so what should we do????
Having said that, I do believe that there should be more urban friendly cars, and this can only be done if we have more incentives, like no taxes for cars that do not pollute and not by rising other cars licenses.
And what about the GDP being sent abroad, I would like to remind you that we Live and Form part of the european union hence the GDP should calcualted as a whole.
C Cassar
Sep 20th 2012, 01:18
@ Duncan Schembri:
Er, sorry but it's unbelievable that so many are out of touch like yourself. Road infrastructure is primarily funded by general taxation NOT by road tax. Additionally, in the last 10 years the EU has provided 85% of all funding for moat of the road upgrades in Malta.
Each car a person buys in Malta send cash out of the economy into the coffers of the manufacturing nation. So if it's a BMW, it goes to Germany, a Peugeot it goes to France, a Fiat it goes to Italy. That's why taxes should be very high to discourage the purchase of such high value items that bring very little value to Malta. Forget the mechanics/servicing/dealers etc, that's absolute peanuts within the whole picture.
With regards your comment "GDP being sent abroad", what is that about? Malta is a net receiver of funds from the EU and todate has received a minimum of €500 million (net) since 2005.
If you look at every EU nation that doesn't have any car manufacturing, they all have high purchase tax on cars and that is for the very reason I have just explained. Malta will retain this tax and in my opinion should increase it steeply so that only small basic cars will be bought as a general rule. These are perfectly adequate for such a small island.
Paolo Bugeja
Sep 20th 2012, 01:19
Do you cycle, Mr Cassar? And when I say cycle, I mean every day to and from work, for errands, to go out, etc!
C Cassar
Sep 20th 2012, 08:25
Well, I certainly don't own or rarely use a car in Malta.
Kurt Mifsud
Sep 20th 2012, 20:50
Sur Cassar, hemm pajjizi ohra bhal Spanja fejn biex inaqssu l-karozzi mit-toroq ghamlu il-licenzja fuq muturi inqas minn 150cc b'XEJN. Iva b'xejn. Dak meta genwinament ikollok gvern li jimpurtah mill-ambjent u ghandu skop li jnaqqas il-karozzi mit-triq. Hawn Malta il-licenja fuq il-muturi saret ghola minn ta hafna karozzi ghax il-karozzi skond l-emmissions u l-muturi skond ic-cilindrata. Jidhilrek li din taghmel sens u li mutur ta 250cc ihammeg iktar minn xi karozza 1800cc diesel dan kollu ghax il-karozza giet registrata qabel l-2009. Lanqas karozza diesel moderna ma thammeg inqas minn mutur ahseb u ara xi wahda ta 1980s!
Mr leo attard
Sep 19th 2012, 20:18
transport malta and not the government is responsible? Isn't transport malta a dept of the government? what kind of nonsense is this? If the govt knew what it was doing it would not have charged the excessive taxes in the first place! And has the ministry of finance forgotten when the govt continued having people pay licences for satellites when it was against EU law and only stopped when Dr Muscat brought forth the issue.... so please stop insulting our intelligence
V Mercieca
Sep 20th 2012, 08:13
Mr Attard, why are you surprised that the Minister is blaming TM. This is the case with the GonziPN government that where there is a blame it is always someone else but they get all honours even if someone else did the good deed.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Sep 20th 2012, 17:32
Now you know one of the reasons why GonziPN is so keen to put up these 'Authorities'. They are a 'paraventu' and allow the minister to deflect criticism. The other reason is that they provide jobs for the boys.
Kevin Sciberras
Sep 19th 2012, 19:59
"The fact that the court did not find the government responsible but found Transport Malta responsible for the application of the law shows that the court affirmed the duty to charge VAT on registration tax when a vehicle is imported by a dealer," the government said.
So what is Transport Malta? From outer space?? Isn't the Minister for Transport responsible for TM? Who pays the employees then? Isn't TM's finances budgeted by the government? Stop taking us for a ride your journey is ending soon (all puns intended!)
Robert Agius
Sep 19th 2012, 19:57
So? Are we supposed to be OK with paying more taxes than the damn car is worth? Fact remains that no matter what, the common folk is ripped off.....and YOU are in government.
Adrian Said
Sep 19th 2012, 19:55
Allura jien nsaqsi u nghid, li jekk l awtoritajiet kienu jafu li huwa hazin, ghax fil kaz ta' din il-persuna, huwa nizzilha direttament, u t-transaction saret mill-persuna stess fl-Ingillterra, ghaliex zammewlha l VAT u r-REg Tax xorta!??!!?!? Din bhal tal-VAT fuq l-excise tax, fuq t -telefonija. Ghadu hadd ma kellu l -gazz jirrispondini ghaliex din d-double taxation f'malta!?!?!?
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Sep 19th 2012, 19:46
Parti mis-sentenza. Cut and paste (minn fuq il-website tal-Qorti) "
Fil-fehma tal-qorti l-imposizzjoni ta’ ammont ta’ Lm4,200
bhala taxxa minima ta’ registrazzjoni fil-kaz ta’ vetturi
second hand b’magna b’kapacita’ ta’ bejn 1800cc u mhux
iktar minn 2000cc u impurtati f’Malta, irrispettivament mittaxxa
li kellha tithallas bhala persentagg tal-valur ad
valorem skond l-stima li taghmel l-Awtorita, hu bizzejjed
biex jigi ddikjarat li l-ligi Maltija kellha effett li tiddiskrimina
fir-rigward ta’ vetturi second hand li jigu mpurtati minn
pajjizi membri tal-Unjoni Ewropea. Bizzejjed li wiehed
jiftakar li f’dan il-kaz l-istima tal-valur tal-vettura li ghamlet
l-Awtorita kienet ta’ Lm3,053 u l-attur intalab li jhallas
taxxa ta’ registrazzjoni ta’ Lm4,200, cjoe’ Lm1,147 iktar
milli tiswa l-vettura. Ghalhekk l-imposizzjoni fuq limportatur
ta’ taxxa minima ta’ Lm4,200 irrispettivament
tal-valur tal-vettura, kien imur kontra l-obbligu li jimponi l-
Artikolu 90. M’hemmx dubju li taxxa ta’ registrazzjoni ta’
Lm4,200 fuq vettura li giet stamata li tiswa Lm3,053 ifisser
li t-taxxa teccedi dik li tissejjah bhala “residual tax”
So it was not a question of VAT. It was a question of registration tax.
Ahna ahna jew m'ahniex ?
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Sep 20th 2012, 17:34
For me, the fact that one pays more tax than the value of the car is obscene. I think this is what the court was after. How can you pay more tax on a value that is lower than the amount of the tax itself? Surely this must be against the law?
G. Palmier
Sep 19th 2012, 19:37
Minn 2008 l-hawn ma baqatx tithallas VAT meta karozza tingieb mill-Ingilterra, tithallas biss registration tax. Igifieri, kif jidhru l-affarijiet, kull min mar gab karozza hu stess mill-Ingilterra QABEL 2008 ghandu dritt jiehu l-VAT lura. Min gab karozza wara 2008, ma hallasx vat imma registration tax biss u allura m'ghandu xejn x'jiehu lura.
Rich Brad saunders
Sep 19th 2012, 19:28
Three cheers for the Greediness of ADT has overwelmed them all the way to the bank, this is one way to >discourage my countrymen from the UK to bypass Malta as their retirement home, so the Maltese government can whistle for the money from somewhere else. Talking about cutting their nose to spite their face, this is one good example..Me we are off the sooner we sell our property, What if the subject was the other way around and a Maltese registered car was imported into the UK as oppose to Malta, i am sure our British government would not be as greedy as the ADT and their mob.. *Then why don't i go back whats keeping us here>Answer is simple....we're off as soon as we sell our farmhouse the sooner the better, the only problem simply no buyers and no money about Thankyou and Hasta la Vista Malta.
mark borg
Sep 19th 2012, 19:23
muzzle up and hand in your resigation minister ........at least show us you have got some decency left .
john muscat
Sep 19th 2012, 19:13
"The fact that the law courts did not find the govt. responsible but TM etc etc" as if TM is not part of the government lol, u halluna !
M Grima
Sep 19th 2012, 19:06
"The fact that the court did not find the government responsible but found Transport Malta responsible ...."
The Finance Minister is just playing with words and is trying to shift the blame on Transport Malta . Who the heck are Transport Malta Mr. Fenech? Even if the vehicle was imported by an agent or a dealer, the tax should not be applied. But I guess something had to give in order to finance the €500 weekly and secretive increase which the cabinet got behind the electorate's back.
GonziPN only works for the selected few!!!!
Anthony Formosa
Sep 19th 2012, 19:01
I think an explanation in simple English is necessary here.
When you buy a car from UK you pay VAT there and that is the only transaction happening (except for any services in bringing the car and registering it here). So you do not pay VAT again on the car here as no car purchase is done in Malta. When you buy from an agent your are buying a car in Malta, so the transaction is happening here and therefore you have to pay VAT on the car here. The importer would be claiming the VAT he paid when he bought the car from UK.
This is the same everytime you buy something which is imported. You always pay VAT here. If you buy something yourself from abroad, you pay VAT there and you are not re-charged VAT here when importing it.
Pavlaki Pano Aroditis
Sep 20th 2012, 00:08
Good point- but as far as I perceive it, many car dealers actually keep their imported cars on UK plates until they find a buyer. That at least is what I saw today when driving down to Marsa from Qormi. You can see many cars imported by car dealers still on UK plates. Any purchase would thus technically be between the UK seller and the Malta (based) buyer via the "good offices" of the local car dealer and thus VAT exempt. There are a lot of grey areas in this system and the EU Commission should look into this matter again.
Alfred Cassar
Sep 19th 2012, 19:00
So many promises pre EU accession. Once they got our vote then, it was business as usual. It was only a promise. It is about the Country, the Country, the Country. The little dream, of the hard working man, was shattered. He has to do, with a sweaty Bus service.
Michael Lloyd
Sep 20th 2012, 17:57
Surely not, Mr Cassar! Your namesake, Mr C Cassar, will be the first to tell you how absolutely marvellous the wonderful new bus service really is. It is just the Maltese (in Mr C Cassar's opinion) who are too backward and stupid to appreciate it!
But actually, I agree with your every word.
M Muscat
Sep 19th 2012, 18:54
I suppose it is just like buying other goods which are vatable. If i purchase a perfume from say the UK for personal use then i pay VAT in the UK only. If i buy the same perfume to resell in Malta then i do not pay VAT in the UK but in Malta once i actually sell it.
c scudi
Sep 19th 2012, 20:08
exactly..I do not understand how the government has got away with this
Paul Bajada
Sep 19th 2012, 18:42
I still stick to my belief that we have been constantly shafted by the PN government to give themselves the 500 euro increase.
It wont happen again. I'd rather vote the party I do not know than the party which is guaranteed to shaft me again like it did in the past.
D. Xerri
Sep 19th 2012, 19:09
Very Well Said - too many false and broken promises
Bil-Malti l-qawl jghid - Lill Min Tafu Tistaqsix Ghalih !
john muscat
Sep 19th 2012, 19:19
You are more than right!
john muscat
Sep 19th 2012, 19:21
You are more than right!
Dom.J. Bugejja
Sep 19th 2012, 19:34
Totally Agree 100%. P.B.
R. Caruana
Sep 19th 2012, 18:31
Aren't sellers from whichever E.U state all equal INCLUDING Malta!? Why is distinction being implied, what did we vote for back in 2004!?! Are we or not full & equal European citizens?
Alfred Cassar
Sep 19th 2012, 19:02
You are Maltese, then yes you are. The difference is the Politicians that 'run' you, don't see it that way. For them you are what you have in your pocket, .... for them to have.
David Pace
Sep 19th 2012, 19:12
the maltese have just been used to being pushed from pillar to post, made false promises etc and its all their own fault because they assume every decision to be politically motivated and treat politics with the same importance as football, polititians are clever people with power on their side to take advantage of the way the people think and until someone with enough power or balls stands up this will carry on...........its not distinction its discrimination which is against EU policy so id go as far as to say that the EU is guilty of aiding and abetting discrimination against its "citizens" and i will say again this is not about red or blue or green its about abuse and discrimination dont assume that another party in government will remove this lucrative taxation system, assumptions are the mother of all F U's
D. Xerri
Sep 19th 2012, 19:17
We are Full & Equal Citizens in some things but Everyone can see that there are many other areas where we surely arent - Surely not the way they painted the European Union Picture of Heaven on Earth and Everything Wonderful and full of singing birds way back in 2003 !
Daniel Borg
Sep 19th 2012, 18:19
Min qed jidhak b'min?
D. Xerri
Sep 19th 2012, 19:21
Malta kulhadd idur mal-lewza u l-Poplu fl-ghama - basta qabel dhalna fl-EU kellna hafna pampaluni jippriedkaw kemm se nkunu ahjar - U wara irrizulta li hafna minnhom li ppriedkaw marru ahjar :~) u ta madwarhom u mhux il-kumplament tal-Popolin !
Joseph Sammut
Sep 19th 2012, 18:14
Why should driving a vehicle or importing it privately make any difference as long as the transaction happened at point of purchase? Can the Ministry clarify this issue?
David Pace
Sep 19th 2012, 18:10
The whole registration scheme is a rip off and the Maltese allow themselves to be exploited by the authorities who have and still are squandering public funds, could also probably even go as far as to say that they are misappropriating these funds so it will never change its what the Maltese people allow and are used to happening so just cough up your dosh, pay thousands to register your new or second hand car whilst in the UK they pay just 55 pounds and stop bickering.
R. Cilia
Sep 19th 2012, 18:10
The government insisted that it had always conformed to the domestic and EU law
Taking in consideration the judgement passed by the court, TM did not conform to the laws!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Sep 20th 2012, 17:39
But according to Minister Tonio fenech, TM is not the government. Mur ifhem! Especically when the officials of TM are hand-picked by GonziPN!!
Stephen Moyer
Sep 19th 2012, 17:56
Now I'm panicking. I'm actually driving a new car down from the UK in a couple of weeks. Can someone with knowledge on this subject tell me whether I have to pay less Registration Tax than is stated on the Transport Malta web calculator??
Do you know who I can call? I'm meant to be paying around €4500 according to their web site but I am not sure if this also includes VAT.
john vernon
Sep 19th 2012, 18:43
Steven, don't believe a word you are told mate, they will access your car here and if it is in better than average condition you will pay more than is quoted on the website.
The website is only a guide based on what CAP would quote you in the UK. Then as you are registering it new you will pay more road tax(circulation tax they call it here) than the equivalent model in malta.
Plus the roads are rubbish they will destroy your tyres and suspension and then you have the drivers, very little respect for any rules or regulations, my advise if you bring your pride and joy be ready to pay out.
They wanted more for my 02 plated discovery than it was worth plus road tax started at 750 euro a yr so i took it back to the UK, and drive a 97 pajero which cost 5500 euro when one from uk would have cost less than £1000 be warned mate its rip off city.
Joe Borg
Sep 19th 2012, 19:22
Stephen if I am not wrong there is a minimum of how old a car must be and a mileage minimum. If the car is 2yrs or less, you have to pay an extra charge (i do not know if it is vat). on the website there is a document with all the details.
Mr Tony Gatt
Sep 19th 2012, 17:49
"The court found that since this person had personally driven the vehicle to Malta, the transaction technically took place in the UK and therefore this was not a transaction which was taxable in Malta for VAT purposes."
That's not what I was told when I brought a car to Malta years ago. I was going to be charged about 3 times the value of the vehicle, so I drove it back to the U.K.
Joseph N. Attard
Sep 19th 2012, 17:33
The Government's statement confirms that even now, at this late and crucial stage, it is not feeling the people's pulse. Whatever legal contortions are quoted or resorted to, the general perception is that it is unjust, extortionate and simply not acceptable for VAT to be charged on any tax paid. This is seen by many as an obscene compound tax to fill the coffers. I will not stoop to quoting from where the Government could have saved larger sums, but on this issue, the government is a sure loser. It is useless for the PN to bring in very knowledgeable strategists to help it win the coming elections, if it persists in defying a just public opinion.
L. Borg
Sep 19th 2012, 17:29
I should think that there are many people involved in the court case being contested by the PL that bought their cars themselves from UK and drove them personally. Not all imported cars are imported by car dealers, there are many people who buy their cars themselves.
Peter Murray
Sep 19th 2012, 17:27
This is an insidious way of trying to get out of it as the principal remains the same-this being getting taxed twice.
Mr Peter Korsten
Sep 19th 2012, 17:25
It's VALUE ADDED tax. It's a tax paid over the difference between the buying price and the selling price. Registration tax doesn't add value. It goes to the government, not the dealer. So taxing tax doesn't make sense.
R Mallia
Sep 19th 2012, 17:19
Still, how come even if a car is from a dealer, is second hand, wouldn't VAT been paid when it was first purchased in anywhere in Europe? You cannot charge VAT twice on an item as far as I know.
Isn't it a case of double taxation?
Anthony Formosa
Sep 19th 2012, 18:52
@R Mallia
When you something from a shop, do you pay VAT? I think Yes. Now the shop would have paid VAT to the agent who would in turn paid VAT to the importer who would have paid VAT to the exporter somewhere else. Each one selling will claim the VAT paid when VAT is charged to a buyer, until it ends at the consumer. So there is no double taxation in the VAT system.
Jeffrey Mallia
Sep 19th 2012, 20:46
@ A Formosa.....Sorry but haven't got a clue how the VAT system works...If you buy a refrigerator, TV or whatever it may be from the UK, you are paying VAT to the seller........you dont pay an extra VAT to the maltese Govt......When you buy a second hand car from the UK, you are paying an extra VAT on the value ( which the TM invented ) to the local Govt !!
Keith Zammit
Sep 19th 2012, 17:19
It states : "The court found that since this person had personally driven the vehicle to Malta, the transaction technically took place in the UK and therefore this was not a transaction which was taxable in Malta for VAT purposes. " Does this mean that cars driven down by vehicle owners (not dealers) are not liable for VAT in Malta ?
Stephen Moyer
Sep 19th 2012, 18:07
That's exactly what I'd like to know.. and fast as I am driving my car down in two weeks!! Who can we call??
Gordon Farrugia
Sep 19th 2012, 17:17
ok so I got my car personally from the UK - I haven't used a dealer - the only difference is that I got it shipped to Geneva and transported directly to here. So as a private holder should I also ask for the EUR3,500 registration tax back????
Peter Busuttil
Sep 19th 2012, 18:28
You have nothing to lose in trying!
Stephen Moyer
Sep 19th 2012, 18:35
Yeah but who exactly do you ask? If I call Transport Malta they're not particularly going to say something like "Yes of course, come and collect your cheque tomorrow" are they?
Tyrone Demanuele
Sep 19th 2012, 18:41
I drove my car down from the UK, and the transaction was done in the UK in April 2009.
I was made to pay Eur10,700 in Registration Tax (does that include VAT?).
Any idea if it's worth suing????
Mano' Xerri
Sep 19th 2012, 20:22
Tyrone if that were me i would make sure and take the ADT and the minister all the way to the cleaners and give them what for., the european court of justice is another way to do it, but costly.
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