Mother of drowned baby granted bail
The baby who drowned in a bath.
The 17-year-old mother of the baby who drowned in a bath in Cospicua last month has been granted bail against a personal guarantee of €20,000.
The woman, who is pleading not guilty to involuntary homicide, will be living with her aunt in Kirkop. She cannot leave home before 8 a.m. and has to be indoors by 11 p.m.
The court also ruled that there are enough reasons for her indictment.
In a sitting last week the court banned publication of names and initially had refused bail. The woman had been kept in the Forensics Unit of Mt Carmel Hospital.
The case is being heard behind closed doors.
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gina micallef
Sep 18th 2012, 19:07
this girls life is never going to be the same, every day will be like a prison sentence no one else can dream of. leave her be, she has suffered enough and she still has a long road ahead of her
John Zammit
Sep 18th 2012, 15:29
Why don't we leave this poor Girl alone May God help her in this Hour
M Cachia
Sep 18th 2012, 14:48
Why is her bail so high? Are they scared she's going to flee the country? Do they think she's going to relapse? Her life has already been turned upside down, now she's got debt too. Well done to the courts.
Mr Omar Zammit
Sep 18th 2012, 20:14
If she obeys the court's orders, she does not need to pay them.. It is in her best interest to obey the orders. know the facts before you write and crticise.
Pule' Carmel
Sep 18th 2012, 14:10
The evolution of a human being does interest me ,and I claim that I am no expert.
My questions are many but one question is as follows. If the level of generating emotions at certain situations of a particular person is such that "through mistakes!!!" s/he is not capable of weighing the emotioinal responsibility of becoming pregnant or a father, and through lack of emotioinal development one claims to be sired by an "unknown father" and the father himself has no emotions to claim that he is " an unknown father" and also that the emotions are not developed enough such as to go and fill the time playing with a computer, and make mistakes due to lack of emotional development, rather than staying close to a baby till the water fills up in a bath, then, IF SUCH A PERSON IS GIVEN BAIL OR FREEDOM, WOULD THE LEVEL OF EMOTIONAL LEVEL DEVELOPMENT be such that it would appreciate the guilt and the remorse that goes with all the factual behaviour or would it be like water off a ducks back like all the responsibliites that should have been initiated in all the sequences that led to the bailing out!!
Please take a look at this video http://youtu.be/o0wpOqoKY4I and judge if the woman in the video will ever be capable of generating enugh emotions to measure the gravity of her offence in doing what she did in that video. My conclusion is that the woman in the picture will never never never be in a position where she will generate enugh emotions to appreciate the gravity of her actions.
I am no expert of how the mind work, but in my teacing carreer, I havenotied such charactersitics and all I do is keep my mouth shut , when students lie to me and invent all sort of stories when I know well that their emotions are not yet deveoloped enough for them to measure their own actions. It is a subject which I love to notive but never speak about it. How much can most of us feel guilty to the urt we cause others?? Some of use do not fee the pain that shuld be relevant to their guilt , while others have an inner control mechanism that start with not making a mistake in the first placeof becoming pregnant or an unknownn father just because when a man and a woman are together, ther are capable of generating enough emotions so that they do not make mistakes and proceed not to make mistakes rather than claiming mistakes and expect others to be compassionate towards them because others around them are capable of generating guilt emothions but not themselves!!! It is an intersting question of the subtle and invisible behaviour of the human mind. So many people cannot generate their right emotions but they depend on other people's developed emotions to go free fro their mistakes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A real human maze! and a clever one at that too!!
Anthony Scicluna
Sep 18th 2012, 17:11
Dr Pule, with all due respect to you, you are confusing the development of a single person to the evolution of a species (biology) and inserting folk psychology arguments where emotions are being placed as a causal factor. On top of that you are speculating on someone you do not know. May I suggest you keep your opinions out of the public eye? If not for the sake of treading on subjects you know little of, for the sake of the girl who has enough suffering as it is.
moira sciberras
Sep 18th 2012, 13:06
From all this it came out that its time that the government needs to take severe actions against all those woman that declare that are single mothers and in reality they are gaining money from our taxes.its time to stop price giving these people cause they made a mistake for their own pleasure.
Joseph Borg
Sep 18th 2012, 17:13
It has been written that this poor child's father is 'officially' unknown while elsewhere it has been written that the father had regular access to the child. Without entering the merits of the calamity which has hit this family, don't the matters written in the first sentence constitute benefit fraud?
paul camilleri
Sep 18th 2012, 12:28
while all comments here so far are in part ture and in reality true as well but in fact one should acutally be discussing how other teen mothers can be taught to look after their offspring and what can be done to help them so that our society can avoid another accidents like this one
Amante Reale
Sep 18th 2012, 13:22
Here's a tip: Don't leave your kid alone.
I think that about covers it.
M Borg
Sep 18th 2012, 13:22
Rather then teaching them how to " look after their offsprings " we should teach " teen mothers " to act their age and not to have childern in the first place .
paul camilleri
Sep 18th 2012, 15:57
@ Amante Reale
this is what i mean by how comments should be based on educating young mothers not a stupid remark because this is probably the reason young mothers do as they please because they have no one to correct their ways.
paul camilleri
Sep 18th 2012, 16:01
@ MBorg
this reply is worse than the one previous made by Amante reale. and i will try and explain this to you M Borg unless your still an infant how can one teach a "TEEN MOTHER " not to have children when she already is a mother this is why she is called a TEEN MOTHER!!!
jane camillleri haber
Sep 18th 2012, 19:21
what we should rather do ... and it is already very late is to teach our youngsters do other things with themselves rather than give in to their passions and become pregnant out of wedlock, especially when one of the partners is already a family man. the extent to which our youngsters are becoming increasingly irresponsible is outrageous. i say poor woman... but most of all poor child.... or are they both children? i'm confused
Amanda Scott
Sep 18th 2012, 11:15
What keeps a race from actually evolving? as bad as it may sound... emotions. We pity people because we picture ourselves in their position. Granting bail in such case will keep us from evolving and from learning from mistakes. We pity a girl who took immature decisions which led to this accident while someone in her position should have been more than mature and take full responsibility. Not only she will never grow up but society will never fully learn the price of not being responsible.
Not being responsible and affecting your own self is a thing, but affecting the lives of others is another thing...
Nadir Sammut
Sep 18th 2012, 12:03
I am sure her own life is the one most effective (from the living). Prison or not, life will be pain.
Any time she sees a child, or a friend playing or caring for their child, she will be reminded of her mistake.
And that is the point, mistakes are mistakes. Life has become to restrictive.
Emotions are natural and part of why humans have evolved and learnt to work well in groups, because we try to understand each other.
Lack of understanding causes war, and wasting of resources, which can lead to extinction.
I wonder, have you ever had a child yourself? Have you never slipped up, I have many times seen a child pick up something dangerous during those few split seconds that the mother (or father) ran to answer the telephone.
Upon returning and seeing the child playing with a dangerous object, parents tend to quickly snatch it away from them, feeling a sigh of relief that they saved their child just in time.
This is an everyday experience of being a human parent.
Human children are born unable to take care of themselves (unlike most mammals) and highly curious (want to poke fingers in every hole, like an electricity socket if possible).
So, if you have not evolved to care, I think you should become extinct. :)
If anything this is one case, where bail should be granted. It is murders, rapists, and such pure evil minded people, that should not be let loose on streets.
Charlene Bonnici
Sep 18th 2012, 12:27
fully agree!!! it's a pity no one pity the little baby!!!!!!!!!!!
malcolm tortell
Sep 18th 2012, 12:55
Actually empathy and compassion were, and are, essential for human evolution. You may want to read up on the subject.
Anthony Scicluna
Sep 18th 2012, 13:06
Amanda
You have absolutely no clue about evolutionary theory at both the biological and cultural level.
Do you think that the young lady is not suffering because of what happened? Or are you so sure of yourself and what others are feeling that you enjoy mounting these accusations? Compassion rather than blanket discipline is a wise move - the girl has all her life to fill with remorse. There is no need to send her to prison. Two lives are lost - the child's (physically) and the girl's (metaphorically). The lady has paid her dues and will pay them out until her last breath. She doesn't need your dogma and ill-informed theories of evolutionary and social justice. Let's leave her in peace
Amante Reale
Sep 18th 2012, 13:23
> Granting bail in such case will keep us from evolving
This is hilarious.
1. Emotions don't keep us from evolving. In fact, emotions are one of our greatest tools for learning. Go read a book.
2. Evolution doesn't work the way you think it works.
Doreen Camilleri
Sep 18th 2012, 13:35
@Nadir Sammut. Well said!
Francis Sammut
Sep 18th 2012, 11:04
In my humble opinion, we as human beings ought to spare a thought to this unfortunate girl who knowingly or not had to suffer and is still suffering from this traumatic tragedy. We need to show compassion and love.
Anthony Scicluna
Sep 18th 2012, 10:58
Please let's leave this young lady be. She is suffering enough and has a life long remorse to live with.
I cannot even begin to imagine her pain and suffering. I only wish that somehow life is more benign to her in future. We should all grieve for two losses not one: the loss of the child and the loss of a mother
avy vella
Sep 18th 2012, 11:44
words well spoken .
M. Bezzina
Sep 18th 2012, 10:03
What a loss!!!An Angel!!!
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