Picture draws angry reaction
A front-page picture carried in The Times today as well as video footage carried yesterday has raised a wave of anger on the social media, with people voicing consternation over the attire of the accused, their attitude and the fine meted out to them.
The five were seen entering the law courts building in the afternoon wearing shorts and T-shirts and carrying soft drink bottles. They were taken to court in a police van, more than 24-hours after a brawl at Il-Maghluq, Marsaxlokk, where a man was assaulted during a protest over illegal camping.
Some of the arraigned were wearing the same clothes they had worn at the beach.
A number of people entering the law courts to follow proceedings were also seen wearing shorts.
The norm is for smart clothes, including jacket and tie.
Many writing on the social media also complained about the sentence meted out by the court after the accused pleaded guilty - a fine of €60 each. One of the accused admitted committing a crime during the operative period of a suspended sentence and had his term extended by two years.
Some took their indignation to maltapark, where a punch "to the person of your choice" was being sold for €60.
The following are some comments seen on facebook:
"Sadly the photograph on the front page of today's printed Times is not (yet) reproduced online which is a pity as it shows the Famous Five after they were fined €60 each. Naturally they are euphoric and one of them is actually pulling his tongue out at us which immediately conjured up my grandmother's voice at its most sarcastic saying "dawn zgur gew mil-koxxa ta Giove!" ... I tremble for the future. Anarchy and arrogance seems to be the order of day."
Regarding the suspended sentence, a commenter said: Are we kidding? Cheap price to pay for a good punch up!!!! Perhaps one of the many avvocati, avvocatini, avvocatoni or avvocatucci that exist within this hallowed Republic can explain to me what "suspended sentence" really means! From what I garnered up to now, it means getting away with what you've done and then being allowed to take part in at least one brawl! Fair enough".
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Mr C Camilleri
Sep 28th 2012, 23:30
Times passed and i am still disgusted seeing this picture. What a bunch of loosers ! I keep on wondering what they are smiling about ? Arrogance and ignorance at its best.
Alfred Cassar
Aug 22nd 2012, 12:49
Oh sorry, apologies my Lords, I mistaken you for gypsies. If I was the fatso, I will hide, just an embarrassment.
Mrs Maria Rosaria Brincat
Aug 18th 2012, 00:41
What a bunch of loosers. The Maltese courts shouid be ashamed.
Alfred Fenech
Sep 26th 2012, 13:49
The court"s decision is an insult to our inteligence.
Robert Calafato
Aug 16th 2012, 22:56
As someone once said, "A picture is worth a thousand words"
Bill Khan
Aug 16th 2012, 14:19
Looking at the response of people on this issue it seems we need to bring back the gladiator fights to death. We would be armed with swords and spears and the five without any and all exits blocked.
Suggest we build a colloseum at the foothills of Mdina, for better spectator viewing.
there is enough blood being shed in different parts of the world to get a good view on our screens to be demanding blood from the famous five. We condemn them for their poor attire if nothing else. One thought justice was supposed to be blind. We think by the donning of a suit and a tie makes a person better than the next. Simply a ridiculous assumption. Suited booted and tie clad Bush and Blair have told countless lies and caused the deathes of thousands of American and british soldiers not to mention the iraqis.
Is it possible that by putting on a tie the comapssion and forgiven goes out from our hearts . perhaps it does since a tie is originally the symbol of the Nimrod and the continuance of that symbol is being maintained. To understand is to forgive. Lets be forgiving and comapssionate. And for god sake take the Nomrodic tie off.
Mrs J. F. Grech
Aug 17th 2012, 17:24
Bill -I think you are missing the point. People feel this incident illustrates the lack of respect for our policing authority, the lack of teeth in our system of justice and that people can in fact injure others with very little remorse or punishment. They can even further show their lack of concern our respect as illustrated in the photo above. These are not the faces of men who felt they needed forgiveness or felt the need to be respectful before the justice system. Never should we mind if this does or does not happen abroad - is this what we want in Malta? is this what we want children to observe and model themselves after? I think not and many of our youth are on Facebook condemning this entire incident and the authorities lack of proper reaction.
Charles Grima
Aug 15th 2012, 19:28
I would never allow myself to be kicked and punched without getting my own back... this pic will stick forever in my mind at the lameness of the Maltese Courts...
S Azzopardi
Aug 15th 2012, 18:58
Whoever is thinking that this is only in Malta has clearly never left the Maltese shores ! Not withstanding the irresponsible behavior and reckless attitude of these persons in the picture above is sad to say the least
michael catania
Aug 15th 2012, 11:37
Looking at the picture it gives the impression that we are now 4th world country. The picture is full of arrogance.Not only are they illegally occupying public land but they seem to think they are above the law.I f any decent citizen turned up at court in that attire they would have been sent down till they learnt to respect the law.It not only did not happen they get fined 60 Euro. They have sent a message that they can do as they please and give law of this land the two finger salute.
Elvin Muscat
Aug 15th 2012, 11:35
And all I had to do was collect a paper from the registry (not court) and was not allowed in unless I wore a white shirt and trousers. Some people take the law into their hands and end up the winners no doubt.
Joe Degiorgio
Aug 15th 2012, 10:25
The message passed by the law courts is that you could go in a free for all of punches for just 60 Euros and I wouldn't mind paying the bill.
fred sammut
Aug 24th 2012, 14:57
agree
Reginald Cini vs Commisinior of Police Gorg Grech.......
Rocco Camilleri
Aug 15th 2012, 09:40
Ghalkemm li l-bierah fuq stazzjon tat-TV kien hemm Magistrat jew Imhallef (jekk mhux sejjer zball) fejn hareg stqarrija u qal li l-qorti kellha idejja marbghuta f'dan il- kaz billi l-persuna aggredita hafret lil imputati, jien inhoss li l-pulizija ghandha tkompli tipprocedi f'kazijiet bhal dawn, ghax f'dawn il-kazi (specjalment dan li rajna jsir minnhom) ikun hemm element ta' biza mill-vittma. U dan qed jigri ghax inhoss/u li mhemmx prottezzjoni edikwata mill-Qrati kif ukoll mill-Pulizija. Jekk ma' sibtx ukoll xi kultant xi pulizija biex jinhabb imur jghid lil aggressur minn ir-rappurtah/hom. Ma' baqa serjeta ta' xejn, anke tara pulizija (l-aktar zaghzagh) jiccaccraw man-nies / zaghzagh. Din x'serjeta HI,dawn qatt ma' rajthom issiru barra l-pajjiz ghax lanqas tissogra thares darbtejn lejhom il-pulizija. Hemm bzonn nibnu mill-gdid id-DIXXIPLINA u trid tibda minn fuq ghal isfel u mhemmx hniena. Minn jghamel xi haga jrid ihallas ghalija, bhalma jkun irid lilu li sirr gustizzja mieghu - NAHSEB !!! Tghajna hafna DRITTIJIET u DMIRIEJIET ftit li xejn (jew inkella mhux qed naraw li jigu attwati).
A.M. Galea
Aug 17th 2012, 13:09
Naqbel miegħek perfettament għax fejn jirrigwardja il-vjolenza domestika il-pulizija tista tipproċedi ex-officcio anke jekk il-vittma taħfer lill-aggressur tagħha , hekk ukoll f'dan il-kaz il-pulizija għandu jkollha il-poter li tipproċedi bl-istess mod . Ma kienx hemm il-bzonn li il-vittma jitla jagħti ix-xhieda tiegħu , għax provi kien hemm aktar min bizzejjed mil-istess filmati li gew imxandra fuq diversi mezzi tal-media .
Emanuel. Vella.
Aug 15th 2012, 08:48
@carmel camenzuli,
possibli,ghadek ma tafx li l-ezempju irrid jibda
mil-awtorita,qorti,ministri u l-kbarat tal-pajjiz l-ewwel,
l-ezempju ikaxkar HABIB TAGHNA.
Emanuel. Vella.
Aug 15th 2012, 08:47
@carmel camenzuli,
possibli,ghadek ma tafx li l-ezempju irrid jibda
mil-awtorita,qorti,ministri u l-kbarat tal-pajjiz l-ewwel,
l-ezempju ikaxkar HABIB TAGHNA.
Valhmor A. Zammit
Aug 15th 2012, 08:35
Had I to attend a court session not wearing a tie I would have been reprimanded and fined for contempt of
court. Thesewere allowed into court wearing nondescript shorts, teeshirts and flipflops and, adding
insult to injury, they were fined a paltry 60euro! What a shame. Our courts, the highest institution (sic) in the country have become the laughing stock of Europe. A veritable charade!!!!
Charlie DeBattista
Aug 15th 2012, 12:13
If people do not speak up all this injustice will remain.
Emanuel. Vella.
Aug 15th 2012, 08:29
DR.FRANCO DEBONO ghandu ragun biex ibiegh.
Rocco Camilleri
Aug 15th 2012, 09:42
@ Emanuel Vella:
U kif ghandu ragun .
T Attard
Aug 15th 2012, 07:39
Thank you dear members of the judiciary - we all think our taxes are really going toward the maintenance of law and order thanks to your diligence.
I'd hide my face in shame if I was a judge!
John Azzopoardi
Aug 14th 2012, 23:27
Very sad indeed to see grown men acting the way these four are acting. Wonder, what will become of malta in a few years if we keep going this way. WE supposedly joined the EU, but some maltese have really remained backward.
Ms.D. Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 23:02
60 euro fine for bashing a fellow human being ,turning the courts of law into a circus and sticking your tongue out at the local media during the operative period of a suspended sentence is quite a bargain ; when seen from their point of view.
Manuel Scicluna
Aug 14th 2012, 21:30
Qorti ta min hu l aqwa ihawl.
Sorry, but we really need a reshuffle in our law courts.
Mr leo attard
Aug 14th 2012, 20:54
local justice is a joke! Imagine teachers having students with similar authority-defying attitudes
Philip Mizzi
Aug 14th 2012, 23:26
What makes you think it is different in schools, Mr Attard? Some students may not be bright, but they get the same messages that the rest of us get from the authorities!
Our parliamentarians are not worth the chairs they sit on. If they did, they would hear the voice of the law abiding people. When the people voted for the EU, they had such things in mind, better laws.
Joe Sammut
Aug 14th 2012, 20:21
There should be a law which stipulates that fines should go up proportionally to the cost of living .
€60 or Lm 25 was probably a week’s wage when the relevant law was introduced and now applied in this judgment
Ray Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 20:02
Is this a direct message from the second highest institution in Malta?
Are they telling us that one should do as he please, when he please and how he please.
Are we in the land of the untouchables?
I have a few question to ask the concerned authorities.
1. Is it illegal to camp after sunset? As far as i know it is.
Then why did the police do nothing?
Why did Mepa not ordered before the removal of the camps
If like the Major said, he is waiting a bylaw, why did he not voice this before?
How long shall we wait for a full explanation by the party in government?
And when will the PL condemn this barbarian act.
2. Regarding the fine.
I m not into anything legal so, i am ignorant of what the fine should be. I suppose however that it is within the parameters of the law.
If I am right on this, Mr Minister of law, whoever you may be, when will you come out in the open and tell us law abiding Maltese, that you are going to emend the law ion favour of democracy!
I am a law abiding citizen, I pay my taxes as obliged by law. I expect a reply by the authorities, otherwise do not expect me to vote for any party!
Politician's, who ever you may be, show us you have what it takes for you to be worthy of the chair or else do not go to the polls.
This is the time to act...NOW
Rocco Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 20:01
Veru tibki jew ma'nafx xtaqbad taghmel meta tara xeni bhal dawn quddiem il-bieb tal-Qorti l-ghola Istuttuzzjoni tal-pajjiz. Fejn kienu l-pulizija li eskortaw lil dawn in-nies biex jitighu l-qorti ?? kif hallewhom jizzuvvjettaw quddiem il-cameras biex qishom qed jghidulna li ma' jibzu minn hadd. U fuq kollox dak huwa lbies biex tidhol l-Qorti, krakar u lbies ta' triq jew hdejn il-bahar. Tahsbu li dawn ir-ritratti se' jiehdu gost bihom it-Turisti li tant irridu li jigu lejn artna ?? Jekk mhux se' jsir xi haga konkreta min minn hu responsabbli l-Kriminilita se' tehodna ( jekk mhux diga hadditna) Il-poplu Guztizzja u Dixxiplina jrid jara fejn dawn kienu gew imweghda hafna !! imma ma' rajnihomx b'nemes. Sa' Franco Debono gibed l-attenzjoni ta' dan. Hemm bzonn illum qabel ghada jsir xi haga ( ghalkemm ma' tantx baqa zmien issa). Biss zgur nahseb li kulhadd irid jara issir din min minn ikun imexxi l-pajjiz u trid tibda mill-iskejjel u l-genituri flimkien.
Is-sigra minn meta tkun zghira trid tirranga mhux meta tikber u dan ma' tajnhiex kasu, jew jekk tajna kien ftit.
David J Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 19:28
Hey, after all what is there to complain about, at least we make news! Have a look at the Chicago tribune, http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-pod13-malta20120812190142,0,6191190.photo
Very sad but trure!
Caroline McAlister
Aug 14th 2012, 19:16
This is the perverted justice that we have in Malta. No wounder our schools are full of bullies. Any MP irrespective what party he comes from and clearly states that he/she will do their utmost to bring law and order back to our island will be getting my vote.
Ronnie Callus
Aug 14th 2012, 19:25
Full marks Caroline, Discipline must be seen at schools and not hindering it . If Discipline Fails, society fails as well in all areas. One can see certain behaviour on the roads, entertainments areas etc; etc; One hopes that this plea does not fall on deaf ears. One has eyes if he wants to see.
Joihn Mifsud
Aug 14th 2012, 19:14
What shall we do lough our heads out or cry out loud ???????
A Mamo
Aug 14th 2012, 19:40
I'd say cry. This is unbelievable !! Only in Malta!
Mr l Azzopardi
Aug 14th 2012, 19:10
unbelievable!
Anthony Portelli
Aug 14th 2012, 19:05
MTA please note, the millions that we spent in advertising Malta have literally gone down the murky drain at il-Maghluq.
Thanks to the actions of a few, including the law.
Jonathan Zammit Lapira
Aug 14th 2012, 18:37
Fil-veru sens tal-kelma: MORNA L-BAHAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert Donnelly
Aug 14th 2012, 18:32
w lucky those thugs are in MALTA. They should come here to OKLAHOMA, USA. and try to do like that. There would have been 5 corpses with at least one bullet hole in each. 5 against 1, that is enough justification to blow their brains out. Case closed. By the way, its legal here to have a conceled weapon. The judge should resign in SHAME.
Iggy Vassallo
Aug 14th 2012, 20:16
The last thing they need in Malta is more cowboys, the law is who should take care of this not the citizens. two wrongs dont make a right.
James Dewar
Aug 14th 2012, 22:52
Typical trigger happy exaggerated response from the other side of the pond! Indeed from Oklahoma where one of Americas most violent and disgusting atrocities was enacted by Timothy McVeigh. Yes we all know that Americans revel in their right to bear arms and thrive on violence and we also know of the shooting atrocities that take place as a consequence. It seems that the Wild West mentality still prevails to the detriment of society. Keep it there Robert it's neither wanted or needed in Malta or anywhere else this side of the Atlantic.
Rodrick Cutajar
Aug 14th 2012, 18:31
Il-ligi suppost ghall kulhadd l-istess, ma nemminx fija bla dubju xhin tara dan it-tip ta nies jidhlu l-qorti libsien hekk. John Bundy qal: Pajjis tal-Mickey Mouse. Proset Sur Magistrat tal kawza li qtajt malajr fejn triedu jew fejn jaqbel. Proset keep it up
Joe Morana
Aug 14th 2012, 18:31
In the circumstances given the extent of abusive public land squatters/ encroachment all over the Islands (Armier, Valletta etc..., many wonder how whoever is responsible for Justice, Enviroment and Govenrnent (public ) property can keep a striaght face and stay at their respective postion of responsability . Shame !
Francesca Abela
Aug 15th 2012, 00:09
Exactly - where is Franco Debono now?? Or since it's his best buddy Chris said who is responsible for this shambles at the law courts , he has fallen into a deep silence?? Remember his antics over a broken chair?? Where is he now that the courts have made a total mockery of justice with their silly fine and letting thugs get away scot free??
matthew tanti
Aug 14th 2012, 18:20
do these guys have social media?
Ivan Falzon
Aug 14th 2012, 18:18
nahseb mhux dawn l akkuzati biss ghandhom aptit jiccajtaw imma anke l pulizija li hadet lil dawn il qorti.
ghalfejn marru daqshekk kmieni u ghalfejn dahhluhom mill bieb principali? haddiehor minn wara jidhol sa fejn naf jien.
u jekk dawn in nies certament m ghandhomx dritt jiehdu u jimlew bajja pubblika bil campijiet taghhom, tant iehor il businessmen li haduna kull bajja li ghandna bl umbrellel u deckchairs, ghandhom jew ma ghandhomx concessions mill gvern. morru sa l ghadira u araw fl liema stat qieghed dal pajjiz - bajja shiha mehuda mill privat
Joseph N. Attard
Aug 14th 2012, 18:16
It has just been explained on TV that the fact that the victim forgave the aggresors determined the quantum of the fine imposed. But is it not obvious to the court (as it is glaringly obvious to the rest of Malta) that this forgivness emanated from a desire of self-preservation of the victim, and of preservation of his new boat lying anchored in the bay some little distance away from the illegal squatters?
Carmel Gatt
Aug 14th 2012, 18:15
A picture of the four biggest oafs and morons on the island especially the second one on the left. The government is spending millions of euros on education and this is the result. As for the judiciary we have grown accustomed now to the honourable judges slapping the wrists of hardened criminals instead of showing the whole island how justice should be administered.
Joe Morana
Aug 14th 2012, 18:15
After all ..Franco Debono was right .. . shame
Ronnie Callus
Aug 14th 2012, 18:37
@ Joe Morana:
Mr.Morana, hundred percent correct is Franco and he is the one who opened the citizens eyes who sees not only blue !! but what is right or deemed to be right. For sure citizens want to see DISCIPLINE in our country which being so small compared to other countries should be more easy to control. Not only increase in salaries the police force wants, BUT support from the Courts and parliamentarians who represent us citizens.
Joseph Agius
Aug 14th 2012, 18:14
is sewwa jirbah zgur....we're waiting!!
Anthony Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 18:13
Years ago, at my work place, a female colleague commented that if it were possible, she would erect a boundary wall that would split the island in two, from a "certain locality on".
25 years on, I now agree with her.
Ronnie Callus
Aug 14th 2012, 18:42
@ Anthony Borg:
Probably you are going to need not only splitting Malta in two, because such guys (behaviour) are well spread around Malta.
C. Bonnici
Aug 14th 2012, 21:34
@Anthony Borg: your colleague's statement reflected ignorance and prejudice 25 years ago. 25 years on, and you do the same. Perhaps we should build a wall to distinguish between prejudiced people and the rest.
mark johnson
Aug 14th 2012, 18:11
Lovely postcard
http://i49.tinypic.com/2jd2c1x.jpg
mark johnson
Aug 14th 2012, 18:08
Fancy a postcard design?
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg846/scaled.php?server=846&filename=welcometomalta.jpg&res=landing
Victor Pulis
Aug 14th 2012, 17:55
I asure everyone that the judiciary is not losing any sleep over the uproar caused by their ridiculous sentence. These untouchables are like ducks. Criticism slides off their backs like water off a duck. They are secure in their high towers.
Lawrence Fenech
Aug 14th 2012, 17:51
Somehow they remind me of the 4 stooges.
vella m
Aug 14th 2012, 17:48
Shame on our Law courts,Franco Debono is right.
Lawrence Fenech
Aug 14th 2012, 17:44
What is missing in the picture is the tent and the bucket and spade.
M Sciberras
Aug 14th 2012, 17:43
It's the first time I feel ashamed to say I am Maltese. In the court hearing the victim was described as having forgiven these people. The victim is a hard working man whose boat is moored next to where these gentlemen have pitched their tents. It was fear that in all likelihood made the victim publicly forgive them - justified fear, as neither police nor courts offer protection to law abiding citizens in Malta. Go to Paceville on a Saturday night or just drive along our roads, and that's all the evidence you need. To the lawyers, the whole court system, the police, to successive governments for failing, over the years, to prevent thugs like these from ruling the rest of us - isthu.
Kenneth galea
Aug 14th 2012, 18:43
well said. i agree to the fullest.
Adrian Grech
Aug 14th 2012, 17:32
in nies irabjati ghal multa ta 60 euro u li dawn qed jghaddu z-zmien bil gustizzja.
Andrew James Brown
Aug 14th 2012, 17:32
So when I want to contest a parking ticket, I have to wear not only a tie but also a jacket, even in the middle of Summer. But people accused of violent crime caught on camera face the Judge in their beach clothes? I dont understand....
Joe Portelli
Aug 14th 2012, 21:32
evidently you are not 'connected' enough to intimidate - not many us left it seems........
David Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 17:29
Community work would have been a better sentence. At least they would have given something back to the society especially to the people of Marsaxlokk by cleaning the beach etc.
Ethelbert Schembri
Aug 14th 2012, 17:28
And for those expecting any reaction from anyone responsable, just to remind you that when it come to responsibility here in Malta no one is responsable... The least they will do is to pick the most vulnerable and throw everything on him AS ALWAYS !!
Mr Alfred Baldacchino
Aug 14th 2012, 17:25
Sa fejn naf jien, meta jkun hemm dawn it-tip ta arresti, il-mixlija jghadduhom mill-bieb ta wara tal-Qorti. Le ?
John Attard
Aug 14th 2012, 17:21
The prosecution should have appealed against such a punishment at law. It makes a real mockery of the police force. Next time around the police would not even come along whilst the brawl is still on. Really is society going to sit there and not face these five pundits.
I would be no 1 to go to Molokai and bring down all the tents nowwwwwwwwwwwww. The only justice in this country is done if one takes the law in his hands.
Josef Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 17:18
Sfortunatament is-south ta Malta mimli b'dat-tip ta nies.
Ivan Delia
Aug 14th 2012, 18:10
Titfax lil kulhadd f`keffa wahda Sur Borg ... anka nies minn north u minn ghawdex ghandha hamalli u kriminali !!
Reinhard Azzopardi
Aug 14th 2012, 18:21
Hasra, vera hasra ghax hafna mill-isbah postijiet ta Malta, l'hemmhekk issibhom. Pero se nghid naqra kollox issa. Jien wiehed minn dawk li pregudikat HAFNA kontra s-south pero inzilt noqghod il-Fgura daqs tlett xhur ilu. Ma nista ingerger minn assolutament hadd hawnhekk. Hawn min forsi ihobb idoqq muzika xi naqra gholja, u hawn min forsi isemma lehnu aktar minn haddiehor, u hawn mara toqghod hdejja tqzazzizni thanxar u twerzaq. Pero, qatt ma inzertajt certu ostilita u nuqqas ta ghajnuna kif kont ninzera f'tas-Sliema fejn kont noqghod qabel. Dawn l-ahhar xhur sirt naf skoss guvinur (or rather, irgiel) mill-kottonera u fihom miljun gost. Nies ta qalb kbira, jafu jiehdu gost u ma jaghtu fastidju lil hadd. Apparti hekk, bl-iskola kollha li ghandi, xorta irnexxielhom jghallmuni diversi affarijiet.
Elysia Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 18:30
Mr Borg, sfortunatament jezistu nies bhalhek li jigudikaw lin-nies skond liema post joqoghdu. Haga ohra, 'sweeping statement' bhal dan ma' juri xejn ghajr ghal nuqqas ta maturita' u konsiderazzjoni min-naha tieghek.
Kevin Attard
Aug 14th 2012, 19:41
immatur...
George Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 17:18
The state has the obligation to protect citizens from such louts. Will the punishment given serve this purpose? If not, the authorities should realize that the louts will soon outnumber the victims. And please, let's not have these 'celebrities' invited to Xarabank and asked about their difficult upbringing...
Ronnie Callus
Aug 14th 2012, 17:18
Do the Justice Minister allow such behaviour infront of the Law Courts ??? If left going by the wind it's a SHAME for our supposed JUSTICE. They wanted to be seen by the Public to see what kind of persons they are. What culture is this ???? Police and Magistrates are frightened by them or what ??? It's useless to give higher wages and not giving support to the police .
James Mistruzzi
Aug 14th 2012, 18:00
Again, and again, again - can anyone please reply - "What does it take to change this?"
C Pace
Aug 14th 2012, 18:22
@ James Mistruzzi: the word is DISCIPLINE.
R. Gauci
Aug 14th 2012, 17:13
Il-bierah kellna prova ta` min qed jirrovina dal-pajjiz, enough said. (Mhux qed nghid ghal dawn tar-ritratt ghax dawn bir-ragun jiccelebraw).
Joseph John Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 17:12
Nisthi nghid li jien Malti.
Mario Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 17:09
I would be having a laugh (at the judiciary system) as well,...... and tempted to throw another punch to the next guy who dares coming close to my illegal caravan/camper
P. Vincenti
Aug 14th 2012, 17:06
The cost for being a lout is pretty low.
Ronnie Callus
Aug 14th 2012, 17:02
Jistu jghidulna fejn kienu jitfu l-materjal naturali ? Ghax dawn qalu li ma' kienux ihhamgu l-ambjent, Nispera li mhux se' jghidula li hadu Mobile Public Convenience maghhom ukoll. Ta' min jara daqsxejn din - Health Inspectors jew MEPA, araw lil min minnkom tikkoncerna.
Joseph Micallef
Aug 14th 2012, 17:02
x'tahsbu li intom? xi super-cowboys? L-arja mhux ma dak li ghafastu mal-van ghamluha izda ma xi erba li ma jibzawx minnhom bhali. X'tahsbu li intom? Tahsbu li se twerwru u tiddemoralizzaw il-pajjiz? Anqas mill-qrati ma tisthu? Mortu quddiem l-ghola istituzzjoni tal-gudizzju tal-pajjiz lebsin qiskom sejrin il-monti?
ISTHU jekk tafu.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 14th 2012, 16:58
The loutish behaviour of these ignorant criminals pales into insignificance when compared with with the insult hurled at the suffering populace by the cultured officialdom of the law courts.
James Mistruzzi
Aug 14th 2012, 17:48
pales into insignificance
James Mistruzzi
Aug 14th 2012, 17:53
Francis, your words, "pales into insignificance" speak volumes. But how can we make changes? My previous postings with this question still remain unanswered.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 15th 2012, 08:55
Absolute shamelessness on the part of our lawmakers and our judiciary. They seem to be more concerned to implement a travesty of justice that keeps hardened violent criminals in circulation because they are the bread and butter of most lawyers that infest parliament and the law courts.
Ethelbert Schembri
Aug 14th 2012, 16:58
Thinking about it .. We have Ministers, politicians, and individuals that power play everyone here in Malta that give examples to individuals like these, so we shouldn't be so surprised !!
D Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 16:56
Can someone explain to me why these individuals were not fined for contempt of court, assuming that they entered attired in that slovenly fashion??
Ray Buhagiar
Aug 14th 2012, 16:54
304 comments and no reaction from anyone responsible about justice, environment.
Ronnie Callus
Aug 14th 2012, 16:51
These lot and others doing the same illegality should be called and told to pay by MEPA for using illegally government property. With regards to the court penalty it looks nonsense.
John Williams
Aug 14th 2012, 16:42
hekk sew u jien ghax kelli nidher quddiem magistrat, habba citazzjoni ghal ftit ma kienux se jhalluni nithol ghax kont bla ingravata, fejn insejta fil karozza. go shana ta 37C.
ONLY IN MALTA
Victor Baldacchino
Aug 14th 2012, 17:44
Grat lili ukoll l-imhallef keccini il barra ghax kont bla ingravata u kont nassisti persuna ghax kieku kont nehel multa.
Stephen Mangion
Aug 14th 2012, 16:41
shame on these people
Mark Scicluna
Aug 14th 2012, 16:37
Just been to the area in question to check what's all the fuss and,guess what? these thugs surrounded the tiny piece of sandy beach in the area with their own cars and set up their camps on the sand.If that's not illegal I don't know what is. And they've got the nerve to beat anyone who dares to speak up! I'm putting my tent up at Golden bay !
Dunstan Crockford
Aug 14th 2012, 16:34
It roughly works out at 5 Euros per punch! Cheaper than any Gym on the Island...or any funfair!
Ethelbert Schembri
Aug 14th 2012, 16:33
What happend, this photo and the sentence given are not only a disgrace towards the Court of Justice but also to the entire Maltese state and all those that live according to the written law and according to the very basic etiquette.
The action of these individuals and the sentence given are a proof that those that break the law are those that enjoy the most benefits.
I from my part don't want to believe in that and still think that it is much better if we all live respecting each other.
J Antida Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 16:33
Well said exactly my point of view but anyhow nothing will change. Wicchom jixhed xi kwalita ta nies huma umbaghad min tahsbu li hu k-iktar wiehed pruzuntuz fosthom.? Bis supporters tal- Belt riedu jaghmlu show il qrati tas suppost gustizzja Joe Borg please note and even the prime minister. Bhall dal judging se naraw hafne il quddiem bir riformi u IZ_ZIEDA fil pagi? Ajma hej .Free for all kulhadd jiehu il- ligi b'idejh. Xebgha bhall dik mank kellhom id dizgrizzjon li jhallsulu l-ispejjez medici . Shame . Disgrace on Malta
A Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 16:28
Incredible outrage by all those who wrote below ..... and the views are unanimous. The least I expect is for the magistrate's decision to be challenged, reversed and culprits severely fined; and for MEPA to have dismantled the camps by latest this evening. U mhux naraw lil MEPA izzarma xi karma fx' ghalqa mwarba.
A Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 16:28
Incredible outrage by all those who wrote below ..... and the views are unanimous. The least I expect is for the magistrate's decision to be challenged, reversed and culprits severely fined; for the magistrate to be censured by the competent body; and for MEPA to have dismantled the camps by latest this evening. U mhux naraw lil MEPA izzarma xi karma fx' ghalqa mwarba.
keith chetcuti
Aug 14th 2012, 16:26
taqla xeba ponn u kullma wahlu 60 euro u ejja come on fejnhom il gustizzja ta malta
Barney Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 16:20
Is this the state our justice system has become?
My goodness here we have four gentlemen presenting themselves to be seen in court, or have been seen by the court. Sitting on the steps of the Law Court. Well at least one is cleaning his toe. HA!
This is not the way one show respect to our courts, it follow if we have no respect to the court who is left to respect as an authority?
Charles Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 16:18
This event is a wake up call to those concerned.
That is a clear, frontal, insult, a mockery to one of our Island’s highest institutions. I am sure Politicians from both side of the house will rise up to that challenge, and take those barbarians to task, if need be with harsher laws or for the Courts applying the maximum of the existing ones.
Feeling assured as betrayed by the photo, the ones in the picture (and others perhaps) will become bolder.
Thousands of law abiding citizens will be watching the next move in this degrading episode, and will want quick answers. Please, no apologetic statements or half measures by the authorities concerned.
A. MICALLEF
Aug 14th 2012, 17:41
Our politicicians are accomplices both PN and Labour Party. They are the ones who allowed the
people of Armier, Ghadira and all the other shanty towns, to occupy the best parts of Malta
illegally. In return they secured their votes and now they are still threatened by their votes.
No condemnation is coming from PN or PL, no guarantees for the removal of these shanty
towns and the return of the land to the state is coming from PN and PL. SHAME ON YOIU
POLITICIANS !
cesco di luigi
Aug 14th 2012, 16:17
I envy these guys. The one with the tongue..I can only dream of what I would do if I had a tongue like that. And look at the one in the left moustache..I've been growing a moustache over 35 years and never reached that lovely paint brush level. The tattoos I think are to be admired. And the size of the chains around the one in the right of the picture..amazing he could stay afloat in the bay with that amount of the gold stuff. But most of all I admire these guys because here we are moaning and groaning about everything under the sun and these guys actually can ENJOY themselves on a small stretch of sand (ugh horrible) overloooked by a power station in this terrible rih isfel inside tents all crammed like Bombay slums only there are no rickshaws around. An they do smoke and drink Coke so they're doing something for the economy too. If they were school children they would have a great story for one of my favourite topics "A day by the seaside"Mayybe someone can encourage them to take up adult literary classes or something?
Mr Kenneth Zammit Tabona
Aug 14th 2012, 16:16
with 278 online comments, is it not about time that we got some reaction?
Simon Balzan
Aug 14th 2012, 16:34
You're more than right !!!
Robert Mifsud
Aug 14th 2012, 16:16
Pity they were taken off their beach property to attend Court. But it was such fun, after all. The joke is on us, Maltese law-abiding timid fellows.
martin chetcuti
Aug 14th 2012, 16:15
''Creme de la Creme ' of a rotten society. Poor souls they do not know any better except showing off there shabiness together with there bullying....
Ms Xixi Caruana
Aug 14th 2012, 16:31
Unfortunately you're right... these men in the photo do represent a very big percentage of our rotten society. Very sad indeed.
Oswald Spiteri
Aug 14th 2012, 15:53
I would suggest that someone would do a CARNIVAL FLOAT for next year, and the prime figure should be
a replica of the man with his huge tongue out, and his mates included in the float. Of course the carnival float should be a mechanised one, so that they have their fists moving around !!!
Lis Schembri
Aug 14th 2012, 16:07
Best comment everr???
Lol!
Daniel Orsini
Aug 14th 2012, 16:40
ha ha ha Oswald, i guess you went to rio to have this huge phenomina on carnivals, what about if one of these was you child? you would react different? listen noi one asked these people that protested had the right to do it???? 1) without the police permit as the law insist, 2) if these persons that use caravans as a hobby and have the right to do so once they keep with all guide lines. you know that this people didn't put any rubbish there and more then that they have cleaned befor ethey camped there? you know they were acused of stealing some goods from boats when this was not true? you know they were offended? you know they told to leave there because there were not from M'Xlokk? as if Malta is not ours all, and M'Xlokk people don't go out of there. yes here we are mixing things out. the court seen everything in detail not like the one's talikng here just to say some thing about the subject BRO if you are maltese
Joseph Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 20:11
@Daniel Orsini. Are you by any chance justifying violent behavior because you feel offended? Whether the protestors or your family are right or wrong , it does not give you and anyone else any right to punch someone. Moreover five against one? Biex iktar turi kemm tkun bully!
Mela issa ghax quddiemi jigi xi hadd jipparkja addocc u jarmi z zibel quddiem biebi bir ragunament tieghek ninzel u ncapcapielu hux ghax inhosni offiz. Kif ma tafux tisthu? Qorti bla guts dak li ghanda li jhallu nies jibqaw jaghmluwha tal cowboys.......taf sakhemm hux? Sakhemm xi hadd jiddeciedi li jibda jiehu l ligi b idejh! Imbghad malajr tmurilhom l gharja kollha!
Daniel Orsini
Aug 14th 2012, 22:00
@ Joseph Borg i ever said it was justified? not read well my comments. but for some one to try to change the perception of a case is a more criminal attitude that the case in itself, no one have the right to hit no one and its not right, yes i agree. but like i said before things were totally different that you see them. you have to balance in between a case and another. by the way i am not offended and i don't think i am a cowboy, i think from only this comment you already showed me you judged me wrong imagine i am in a jury with you. and you tell me ' kif ma nafx nisthi'? mela xi darba gejt nisraqlek il-halib minn wara il-bieb minn xix tridni nisthi jien? my friend you look like an educated person and you don't deserve this kind of attitude to judge me because i gave my opinion like every one did. thanks for giving me the right of freedom of expression. :)
James Camilleri
Aug 15th 2012, 12:24
@Daniel Orsini
L-atteggament ta’ dawn il-5 machos qatt u hadd ma jista’ jaqbel mieghu.
1. Dawn u kull min kien ikkampjat fuq din il-bajja urew l-egoizmu sfrenat taghhom. Il-bajjiet huma ta’ kulhadd u hadd ma jista’ jaghmilhom propjeta’ tieghu. Li tikkampja ghall-gurnata hija haga, li tikkampja ghall-gimghat hija haga ohra. Dan huwa llegali u kull min kien ikkampjat kien qed jikser il-ligi.
2. Il-fatt li kienu fil-hazin u kellhom tort u pattew il-hazin b’hazin akbar jaghmel dan l-agir hazin doppju.
3. Hadd ma jista’ jaqbel ma’ agir fejn 5 irgiel jaggreddixxu ragel wiehed.
4. Agir hazin bhal dan juri valuri hziena – egoismu, nuqqas ta’ rispett ghall-haddiehor, tendenza ta’ kriminalita’, nuqqas ta’ dixxiplina, nuqqas ta’ rispett lejn haddiehor u lejn il-ligijiet tal-pajjiz.
5. Dan huwa frott ta’ valuri li hziena li hafna drabi jitrammu minn mindu nkunu zghar – fejn il-genituri minflok jiddixxiplinaw lil uliedhom jaghtuhom ragun meta jkunu fil-hazin. Staqsi lill-ghalliema u jghidulek li dak li jghallmu lit-tfal jigi mhassar mill-genituri.
6. Jekk inti tirrispeta lil dak li jigi minnek, bezbzu tbezbiza kif kieku jien naghmel lil ibni jekk ikun fil-hazin. B’hekk biss jista’ jkollna socjeta’ b’sahhitha u jispicca l-bullying li mhux biss marbut ma’ l-iskola imma hu mifrux mas-socjeta’ kollha. Uri lil dawn it-talin kemm huma gwief, l-attegament taghhom kemm kien egoist u vjolenti u kemm juri nuqqas ta’ irgulija, ghax il-bully wara kollox dak li hu – bniedem gifa, injurant u bezziegh.
anthony sultana
Aug 14th 2012, 15:53
Dose people that they camp in Ramla l Hamra in Gozo ,they been camping there for ages, do they have permits to camp all summer long?
G Buhagiar
Aug 14th 2012, 15:50
Jekk in-nies irrabbjaw ghax raw din ix-xena fuq it-Times hi iktar tal-misthija meta tisma' li l-Qorti ta' Malta taghhom multa ta' €60. Din tal-misthija zgur!! Iktar jaghmlu n-nies meta jaraw sentenzi bhal dawn...
James Mistruzzi
Aug 14th 2012, 15:50
Yes / No / Not Sure
Yes - They should have been fined more
Yes - Community Service would be beneficial to all
No - The Dress Code is not a real issue related to the crime, but should be reviewed.
Not Sure - How do we truly change this? Does anyone have any "realistic and concrete" suggestions on how to move forward?
Giov DeMartino
Aug 14th 2012, 15:43
A 20 year old Mosta lad was watching a football match at Ta Qali stadium with rival supporters teasing one another. THis lad was spotted by a policeman sticking out his middle finger at the rival supporters. He was escorted out of the ground, taken to court and fined E 70.
anthony sultana
Aug 14th 2012, 15:39
Il - problema qi li l- kbarat ta Malta u Ghawdex jaraw in- nies dubbien, u ma jinpurtuhomx mill l-ugieh ta kuljum li jikagunaw lilna n-nies iz- zghar.
Bertrand Gove
Aug 14th 2012, 15:58
mela bl-argument tieghek qed tghid li kulhadd jista jibda jxejjer il-ponn. sakemm ituk promotion minn dubbiena ghal farfett.
Carmel Camenzuli
Aug 14th 2012, 16:54
Sur Sultana tista tghidilna X'ghandom x'jaqsmu il kbarat ma dawn il-5 marmalja ?
anthony sultana
Aug 14th 2012, 17:33
Il kument qatali nofsu, imma sa nejdlek, taf kemm hawn violations taruhom u tmishom bidejk, u xhin wiehed jmur jaghmel complain lil heads ta l-awtoritajiet, dawn minflok li jghinnuk joqodu jadduk biz zmien.Skont minn tkun.Din xi haga li trid tinqata darba ghal dejjem.
Analise Deguara
Aug 14th 2012, 15:35
Pajjiz tal - Micky Mouse, hekk konna u ghadna nghixu!
Daniel Orsini
Aug 14th 2012, 15:28
the thing i hate most here is comments from people who think they know it all. this is not ethics. ok lets start from the main thing. these 5 people did nothing wrong by putting the caravans for a week to have some relax time after a year full of hard days work, regarding who wrote MEPA di nothing on this he is totally wrong because MEPA went there and gave them a date when they should take off the caravans ( its a normal proceture my friend if you are living in Malta) so the had time till monday 13/8/12. regarding the fight if you see the argument well there was only a slight case where even the 'victim' admited it in court. and forgave them. regarding the shorts and POLICE well this issue is a total show of YOU not know what is going on. the police decided and they have the right to start a court urgent action because as we well know the media was fimimng so the case got some publicity so it leaves no other alternative for the police to take fast actions, so when the accused appered in court they didn't knew that they are going to court because on monday they arrested them and after a few hours they appiered. so what the ... is going on in This island where all this boom is on only a small argument with only one slight hit. ufff you people it looks like you have nothing to discuss on. if all the cases in Mlata courts will be treated like this imagin what a disaster. the thing is that the Police, the Judge and the victim all understood this fact and it was arrange from better sides to every one. do you all know that after court the vitim and all the accused where walking and talking and laughing with eachother in Republic streets and they became friends ?????? just open your mind because you are keeping our country looks like the 3 rd world thinkers.
Ray Buhagiar
Aug 14th 2012, 15:56
the thing i hate most - this phrase says it all about your attitude. Why hate?
anthony sultana
Aug 14th 2012, 15:59
You have a problem,don"t you see that this gang think that bulling is funny.
John Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 16:05
AS far as i know MEPA gave up to 15 days to remove the Camps when a two hour time would have been enough. Regarding there appearance in court and the sentence given just dont forget that one is a relapser and had a suspended sentence already
Rita C Grima
Aug 14th 2012, 16:57
Seen in the light of values the insensitivity towards others caused in such circumstances is called Entitlement, which is a situation wherein an individual entitles himself to something which actually belongs by right to everybody else not only to this one person. An example of this Entitlement which is becoming quite rampant around us is that of a driver who parks his car on a main road just to buy pastizzi, entitleing himself to have the public place for himself for the time he chooses for himself, causing everyone else to have to engineer their cars around his, sometimes at their own risk, for the amount of time this person chooses to Entitle himself. If Entitlement is left to increase without being checked, it will lead to mayhem.
Rita C Grima
Joseph Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 20:21
So qed tiggustifika il vjolenza? Tajjeb mela issa ghidli fejn trid niltaqaw incapcaplek daqqa ta ponn, nitilaw il qorti , ahfirli u filkas inhallaslek cafe u nsiru hbieb, tajjeb? Ghax ir ragunament tieghek hekk hu xejn inqas u xejn aktar. Il vjolenza tibqa vjolenza, slight jew mhix u HADD ma ghanu dritt ghax f sahna ta mument jerfa jdejh fuq persuna ohra! L anqas l annimali ma jaghmlu hekk ahseb wara nies suppost civilizzati! Habib ghax issa sirna hbieb hux,sic, il hazin ghidlu hazin ghax il hazin qatt ma jsir tajjeb! U jekk il familjari tieghek ghandhom ragun fuq il kampijiet ghalija il fatt li refaw idejhom fuq haddiehor minghajr l iehor anqas biss gholla subajh iz zghir , ghalija bir rispett kollu tlift kull argument validu li seta kellek! Xejn aktar u xejn anqas! Habib!
Daniel Orsini
Aug 14th 2012, 21:37
ray what is wrong in the word hate. do you love lies or you only don't like????????????? me i hate lies! so i can't understand your point in what attitude i used. because i hate injustice. but it has to be considered in the philosophy of what was intentional or not! for egzemple my friend. did you know when some one makes a protest with out informing the police is illigal? it would can be seen not as a protest but as an assalt. and that is what happen a missunderstanding between all. so what the problem now. we see these things and mistakes evry occation. in feasts we will see lot of slight fight in every corner of the place. so we have to give them life setance to all! wow that's nice! you think the judge didn't consider all factors of the case? it took nearly two hours till they had the sentence and all of them include the victim agreed that there was nothing serious or out of this world. you know that the victim don't even have one thiny scratch? you considered that non arms. i hope that at least if all accidents would be this slight at least no one go to hospital. come on lets be realistic. its like you are living in a place that no mistakes are tolerated.
Daniel Orsini
Aug 14th 2012, 21:44
John, we can never say why MEPA gave 15 day or more or less. i am sorry in this country it seems like every body want to manage things themselves. if you don't agree about what mepa or other institution do. go to the department and there's a sujjestion box and post your comments. mepa gave them three days and not 15 days like you are saying and i know what i am saying. there's a saying with maltese my friends ' minn ikun fil-borma ikun jaf x'fijha' you think if this man that was the ' victim@ would have forgave them if things are like everyone is saying here????????????????????????? did anyone asked this question??????????
Rita C Grima
Aug 14th 2012, 15:25
Just before noon someone asked, “Why are we in such a mess?”. Yes, and how can we correct it? I believe this is a question of social values being eroded at best or absent at worst. If social values are a collective mirror of personal values, why do we have such unfortunate specimen amongst us maltese citizens? Maltese values it seems have taken a downword plunge over the past 30 years or so. Is it because we have decided to do without God but cannot make it on our own? What has happened to authority figures and social institutions which used to mark us with social values in the past? What have we replaced them with? Hand on heart, what am I doing in order to create healthy values in the little world I live and work in; to sustain them, defend and enforce them and upgrade them as this fast life rolls by?
Rita C Grima
Charles Grixti
Aug 14th 2012, 16:45
With Churches in every corner and the Church's voice being heard on sundry but mostly topics of no real consequence, both in the media and from Church pulpits and the pious mein of the more Catholic then the Pope Maltese population, one certainly cannot blame this mess on lack of 'religion' as it is construed in these islands. Rather I think it is because these institutions are not imparting real values. Certainly if one was to learn by their actions rather by what they say and preach, then Maltese society is precisely at the place it ought to be.
J Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 15:25
If the courts are not respected who do they have to blame after meting out €60 fines? Aggression in public is a serious offense in civilized countries.
Sebastian Micallef
Aug 14th 2012, 15:24
The accused where fined 60 Euro each (Total 300 Euro), can the Minister say how much did it cost the tax payers for taking these five people to Court?
As next week I am summoned to Court can I go in my sleeveless T shirt, shorts, open sandals etc not to forget a bottle of soft drink, or will I be in contempt of the Court?
Kenneth Baldacchino
Aug 14th 2012, 16:15
Dear Mr Micallef - as for your question on how to present yourself in court next week - this depends on whether you want to be associated with the civilized part of the Maltese population or else with these 4 in the photo. The choice is yours and your alone.
Kurt Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 15:21
perfect role models for their kids!
James Mistruzzi
Aug 14th 2012, 15:53
Please don't tell me they have children.
mary borg
Aug 14th 2012, 16:37
probably they have around 4/5 each!!
Ronald Cauchi
Aug 14th 2012, 15:18
I say they deserve a medal for showing the contempt we all feel towards our courts and judiciary but are all too chicken to show ourselves!
cesco di luigi
Aug 14th 2012, 16:19
YEP!!!
P. Ciantar
Aug 14th 2012, 15:16
shame on these peolple
M Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 15:06
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151022180103751&set=a.488099308750.262859.727933750&type=1&theater
James Grech
Aug 14th 2012, 15:06
Name and shame these thugs!!!
Paul Sammut
Aug 14th 2012, 15:04
Stupid sentence especially since one of them had a suspended sentence. What is a suspended sentence for ? The Attorney General and the police should appeal so at least the courts have another chance to show who is really in control here !
Gino Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 15:02
Where is Chuck Norris when you need him?! The situation would surely have led to a different outcome.
These five low-lifes of society need a well-deserved whopping given that proper justice has not been served.
Ray Buhagiar
Aug 14th 2012, 15:02
I think both parliament and the AG should review the magistrate decision. From the comments below and the general public angry reaction an explanation by the Police, AG and Minister for justice should be made.
Joanna Bonello
Aug 14th 2012, 14:55
Doesn't this picture make you proud that you are maltese ??
Claire Busuttil
Aug 14th 2012, 15:49
@Bonello-what those this mean???? just because these people are acting in a disgusting way...all Maltese are like that??....sorry but it is a silly comment.
Tony Sciberras
Aug 14th 2012, 14:48
They should have been fined 100 euro alone for contemp of court, presenting themselves infront of the judge in shorts.
Daniel Orsini
Aug 14th 2012, 15:44
contempt of court in what sense? do you know it is normal when some one will be taken to court in an urgent case they will be taken with the same cloths they will be with? it is normal my friend, better you will spend some time seeing all facts before comment in public.
E. Azzopardi
Aug 14th 2012, 14:48
All this shows the sorry state of our country. It seems that this is what the citizens deserve. At least this is the message I ( and I believe the vast majority of law abiding citizens) get.
When you see elderly people do this one says that they are on the way out. But when you see the young ones acting like this, then even hope starts to fade.
We need a government which can govern efficiently and effectively. Sorry, I cannot see it with what we have and with what we shall get. Very sad but true.
GL Calleja
Aug 14th 2012, 14:41
More proof that our courts are out of tune with the rest of Europe. This sentence is an embarrassment and an injustice. I still want to ask if the Magistrate banned these thugs from camping on the beach at Marsaxlokk where the incident occurred. The tent people took the law into their own hands and started to beat up on this man and the magistrate fines them €60 each for bad behaviour? So far I have not met or found anybody, except for the defense lawyer, that does not agree that this sentence was ridiculous at best.
This is 2012 and our courts seem to be in worse shape yet. Sentences like these are nothing but a disgrace to our courts. Some call this country tal- Mickey Mouse and the courts are proving it. Wake up Dr Gonzi.
Charles Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 14:38
The picture says it all . Says nothing for the judiciary though !!
Mr Ian Xuereb
Aug 14th 2012, 15:14
Marmalja fil- veru sens tal-kelma!!!! Ma hemx fejn tasal aktar!!!!
j brincat
Aug 14th 2012, 14:31
"The norm is for smart clothes, including jacket and tie"
In this tropical heat I wouldn't go this far!
But certainly NOT t-shirts and shorts.
Perhaps long trousers and a white (or any pale colour) shirt with an open collar - in summer!
You would be amazed at the way people dress to attend the Court.
But then not all citizens of Malta work in offices most of which are air conditioned (and rightly so).
(jb)
Mr Peter Barbara
Aug 14th 2012, 15:25
Last week I needed to apply for a Secret wills certificate from the Lower Courts (Strait Street) and was not allowed in because I was wearing a bermuda (not like the ones in the photo ) - no need to go in front of a judge or magistrate , just pay the clerk, a few metres inside the building,
Philip Mizzi
Aug 14th 2012, 14:28
Guess what? This whole incident is making news abroad as well!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-pod13-malta20120812190142,0,6191190.photo
Dnub ma tissemiex il-multa wkoll.
GL Calleja
Aug 14th 2012, 15:40
Mr Mizzi sometimes ignorance is bliss and this is proof enough. Bullies.
john bundy
Aug 14th 2012, 14:27
Ghaziz Karl Consiglio,
"They look like a Rock Band"
Hu naqra pacenzja u tinsulentax il-muzika rock, grazzi.
P. Ciantar
Aug 14th 2012, 15:17
well said John
Eddie Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 14:27
Tajba din tokupha art tal-pubbluku thammeg il-bahar bil-hmieg li jaghmlu ghax nislu bil caravan Marsaxlokk qisu kullimkien taghhom dawn? kemm ser ndumu sejrin hekk hawn Malta. kullhadd jabuza ghax forsi ghandu xi qaddis u jekk tmur titkellem taqla xebba liema bhala u min jaqla xebba joqghod miskin muguh u min jaghtija jehel 60 euros biss hasbu li ghax ghandhom qaddis u sahha jaghmlu li irridu u guztizzja zomm maghhom, viva dan pajjiz u viva injoranza tan-nies
j brincat
Aug 14th 2012, 14:19
But who is having a hefty pay rise?
(jb)
Marie Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 14:18
How some one in authority has not heard of this case and seen this picture is beyond me. As it seems they do not care of the mockery that is being taken and the anger of good taxpayers that camp nowhere and return home after a day at the beach. UNBELIEVABLE 2012
Matt Borgde
Aug 14th 2012, 14:15
Tal misthija certu affarijiet. Din wahda mil affarijiet.
Mark Demicoli
Aug 14th 2012, 14:14
x'disgrazzja jahasra!
Mr Edwin Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 14:11
Before renewing ID cards introduce Society worthy test, that is (Bath, shave, hair cut and manners). Uncivilized should be denied an ID card.
Russell Fenech
Aug 14th 2012, 14:10
mela mela u jien ghax pejjipt sigarett go club bla ma tajt fastidju l hadd wehilt daqs kemm wehlu 4 minnhom fdaqqa. dik gustizzja e !!!
John Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 18:14
Sorry ta,pejjipt u ma tajt fastidju l hadd?
Mela wahdek kont fil club?
Mr Joe Frendo
Aug 14th 2012, 14:09
How much does a brawl costs in Maltese lira ... €60 * 0.4293 = Lm25.78 per person including VAT
JF
Alexander Pace Gouder.
Aug 14th 2012, 14:09
VIVA......................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You remember one of the songs in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Maybe they were singing in Shorts and Shirts and changed the words to: 60 Euro - HIP HIP HURRA. OFF to the Beach we go - It is so hot., it is so hot HIP HIP HURRA.
Fran Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 14:05
What is MEPA waiting for to take the necessary action and make them leave the area. Do we have to wait for two weeks or more - when summer is nearly over ? My only comment regarding this sad lot is - might is right for them.
GL Calleja
Aug 14th 2012, 14:52
The picture tells all.
Joseph Tabone
Aug 14th 2012, 14:04
€60 ? WELCOME TO DISNEYWORLD
Ronnie Callus
Aug 14th 2012, 14:01
Of course picture draws angry reactions by many !!! the picture all say it, they are not seen bothering so much infront the court building. (or showing a sign of sympathy for their doings) .
Jo Meli
Aug 14th 2012, 14:01
Complete BREAKDOWN of Law and Order !!!
About time JUSTICE is delivered by the People instead of the HIGHLY PAID.
Alex Tanti
Aug 14th 2012, 14:00
Qorti tal mickey mouse ... Mela tahqar annimal tehel il habz (tajjeb, naqbel) .. imma mbad ala 'tahqar' persuna u tehel 60eu biss??
Rocco Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 16:13
@ Alex Tanti:
Kollu minnu Sur.Tanti, nahseb lill annimal qed intuh aktar importanza mill-bniedem, sa' anke jlibsuhom qedien ( u in-nies inehhu jew inaqqsu l-hwejjeg) kollox bil-maqlub. Tlifna l-logika ta' kollox nahseb.
John Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 13:59
5 handsome man
Fran Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 13:58
Creme de la creme. Quo Vadis Malta - are we sinking in the depths of the neanderthal man.
Mr Joe Frendo
Aug 14th 2012, 13:56
So ......... €60 *0.4293 = Lm25.78 cents!!!
No Comments!
Adrian Stivala
Aug 14th 2012, 15:34
-)))
Saviour Aquilina
Aug 14th 2012, 13:54
For me the Justice is Micky Mouse. They must get a €500.00 fine not €60.00. On the photo and video they looks that are arrogance.
Norman E Grech
Aug 14th 2012, 13:51
Qieghed sew eh!!
The 4 musketeers! I say 4, as at least one of them has the decency to hide his face!
Claire Busuttil
Aug 14th 2012, 15:53
although picking his toe!!
K. Muscat
Aug 14th 2012, 13:49
Il-ligijiet mhux ghal kulhadd xorta!!
Ms loranne zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 13:48
the irony is that this news was given too much importance and too much exposure by the media!
Joseph Casha
Aug 14th 2012, 13:48
I'm confused, is it 60 euro per punch or 60 euro for beating someone up? i am interested as i need to budget my expenditures for next month....
Colin Attard
Aug 14th 2012, 13:47
Where we searching for a building in Valletta for the Carnival Fleet enthusiasts? I’ve spotted the perfect place that comes complete with its own clowns free of charge. I’m being sarcastic but in reality, it’s simply Shocking.
Ms loranne zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 13:47
once unfortunately i had to be present in a case at law courts. while waiting there were 2 women who appeared in front of the judge in an undecent manner. when asked a police about how this undecent attire was tollerated at COJ he remarked that if a person is caught there and then while being outside and is taken to courts it is accepted that the person enters COJ with the clothes they have on them at the time being.
Arnold Sultana
Aug 14th 2012, 13:33
VIVA MALTA U L-MALTIN...............MOB RULES !!!
carmel muscat
Aug 14th 2012, 13:30
veru gustizja tac cajt hawn go malta mux sew li ax jigu jaqu uiqumu mil pulizzija certu nies jehelsuwa hafif mil guztizja
Etienne Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 13:24
@M. Degiorgio : you must be kidding me about evidence on this case, right?
vella m
Aug 14th 2012, 13:23
And the best comment so far is by, Paul Attard Baldacchino
Today, 12:20.
"". Sometime I think they should introduce a VRT for people here in Malta"" LOL
John Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 18:16
Tajba LOL
Colin Mallia
Aug 14th 2012, 13:21
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100520/local/swieqi-man-fined-500-over-facebook-comment.308073
Marru ahjar min dan miskin
Tony Bonello
Aug 14th 2012, 13:21
Shame on the security personnel who left them in, a year ago I was not allowed inside the court building just to pick up a document from the court's registery cause the security said my trousers needed to be under the anckel. These bullies where let inside not only the court but also inside the court room with a small fine of 60 euro.
Lucienne Dimech
Aug 14th 2012, 13:20
We are rightfully complaining about the behaviour and attire of these so called people, but being charged only 60 euro is telling them keep on breaching g the laws . I am sure they must have laughed it out loud on hearing their comic sentence. Of course had they been naked teenagers having a dip in the water matters would have been much different. It seems that in Valletta there are comedy theatres one called parliament the other law courts. What a humorous lot we all are.
Robert Henry Bugeja
Aug 14th 2012, 13:16
Is sistema gudizjarja taghna tinsab marida.
Joe Busuttil
Aug 14th 2012, 13:16
Wonder what the tourists must be thinking of our poor capital. On entering they see the cleft in the wall ,which passes as City Gate,then the new parliament building,which reminds one of an egg carton,and then the roofless opera house ,which can pass for a tennis court. But the jewel in the crown must be seeing these hill billies sitting on the law court's door step. Unique place ,Malta. And soon the time will come when we have to go out with a concealed weapon tho defend ourselves from such bullies. Trouble is that it will be us who get the blame and end up in jail.
stephen mifsud
Aug 14th 2012, 13:14
se tinqalla wahda kbira aw Malta issa tarraw hbieb ibqaw sejjrin ek u naraw wahda mill kbarr ajjma gbizza ?
the class division is wideining for huge explosion nies ....
Simon Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 13:11
It shows the sorry state of our law courts, and many, included me, critisized Franco Debono for highlighting these problems. Where is justice? For our magistrates, the fact that you sentence someone to jail for possessing a joint is preserving the law and then these heroes walk away free. Like some comments earlier, can't the police appeal the sentence? And is the magistrate satisfied with the outcome of his sentence??? Our country is a farce, what's most important that we inaugurate squares, roads, shake hands with people, smiling and boasting how much we're moving forward. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!
josmar cilia
Aug 14th 2012, 13:08
Pajjiz tal mickey mouse!!! Daqqa ta ponn lil min trid ghal prezz ta 60 euros. U le!!!!! Xejn sew.com
Carmelo Aquilina
Aug 14th 2012, 13:08
look at them repenting their crime..... !!
Hossam Helwani
Aug 14th 2012, 13:08
from this picture it is evidently clear that there is no respect for law and order
a very black day for Malta. No respect for law means that there is a serious deterioration of values, which means the social order is at high risk of collapsing.
V. CALLEJA
Aug 14th 2012, 13:08
ONLY IN MALTA
Angelo Vassallo
Aug 14th 2012, 13:01
@ Adrian P. Cassar
Illegal squatters in armier were there since mintoff allowed it.
But this is not the point. The point is the very arrogant attitude these low class people (hamilli) towards the court and towards the Maltese people. That hamallu with his tongue out was addressing ALL OF US including you adrian p. cassar
with a promise to legalise them.....so why is everyone surprised that these people are trying to do the same? I bet that the illegal tent village in armier will not be removed. Not even if one of us goes to armier and gets punched up in the process!!
Adrian P. Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 16:30
Sticking out his tongue does absolutely nothing to me.
I don't give a damn what mintoff did in the 70s....cos we are in 2012, and just as PN managed to change many things, they could easily have dealt with armier.
What is happening in Armier is much much more than a tongue stuck out at us by Dr Gonzi....it is an insult that doesn't even compare to a tongue stuck out. And it doesn't come from a hamallu!!
stephen mifsud
Aug 14th 2012, 12:59
Malta is a joke of a country but a jewel as an island which we trest very badly and its much worse are forfathers are turning in there graves as we sre ruining this island to bits . the losers in all this are the Maltese people who love there homeland and APPRECIATE IT ,!!!!
Kevin Muller
Aug 14th 2012, 12:59
Oh yeah ! This guys are so cool ! You can read in their eyes that they got taught a lession by the courts. There is just the question : What they have learned ? Shame,shame, shame, no more to say.
Ron Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 12:53
one can contemplate pitching a tent in St.Georges's square....it takes 16 days to be evicted...deal!
T.F. Busuttil
Aug 14th 2012, 12:53
l-Avukat Generali ghandu japella. Dawn bejnithom wehlu €300 li spejjes kienu ferm akbar. Intbghat messagg hazin , biex kullhadd jghamel li jrid.
Ruth Muscat
Aug 14th 2012, 12:52
Some people are unteachable in life. But we cannot give up. So we need to do some thinking fast of how to control them as best we can.
Dee Williams
Aug 14th 2012, 12:51
What a shining example they are to our younger generation..... Well done to the man who stood up to them though, i'm sure a lot of people would not have had the courage. 60 euro fine bet they were laughing their heads off !!!!
P Mizzi
Aug 14th 2012, 12:51
The paltry fine of €60 is a sick joke that makes mockery of the law courts and here they are laughing at us!!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 12:49
I demand that MEPA and the Police issue a statement to tell us law abiding taxpayers why; (1) MEPA has not issued an enforcement notice before this brawl; (2) why give the tent owners 16 days to remove the tents; and (3) why the police have not moved againt these law breakers, ordered them out and charged them with illegal occupation of the beach, apart from the filth and dirt they have created.
M Micallef
Aug 14th 2012, 12:44
Marru sal-Ghadira hey!
Lawrence Fenech
Aug 14th 2012, 12:42
Min jerfa idejh fuq hadd iehor mohhu vojt, injorant u ma jafx jirraguna. Postu mhux qal in-nies.
B Ellul
Aug 14th 2012, 13:14
True.... however not according to our courts!
Ms. P.M Graham
Aug 14th 2012, 12:42
I think the emphasis on the attire of this group is the least of our worries. Of course they should have been better turned out to appear in Court but did they have an opportunity to either go home for clothes or have clothes brought to them. We don't know.
This story like many has blown up and will disappear into the ashes in the next couple of days, without anything being achieved.
The fine they received sends entirely the wrong message and I do think that community service has to seriously considered. Starting here: http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120812/local/mriehel-rats.432446
and it needs to start with the yobs who roam the streets on a daily basis, who know they can get away with it, climbing on cars, urinating in shop doors, alleyways, throwing beer bottles, harassing shopkeepers, damaging public property, private gardens etc because if it doesn't the above picture is going to be standard.
Slap them hard on a first offense and they may change their attitudes.
Who however am I kidding though? It will never happen, unless the Police Force is doubled and the beat officers are put back on the streets.
Francis Sammut
Aug 14th 2012, 13:10
Well said Ms. P.M. Graham.
Fran Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 14:02
It is not only the Police Force who try to do their best but if the law stipulates stupid sentences then it is up to the parliamentarians - all of them - to update the laws.
Paul Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 14:02
1) The police were efficient and handled the situation well.
2) It is the Judiciary who impart sentences/fines.
3) Just waiting to see how much MEPA is efficient now.
4) Yes community service to be done at M'xlokk would be ideal! (But it must be for at least a whole year!)
Kenneth Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 14:21
You're right. Unless they make an example out of someone, these things will not stop from happening.
And yes, just like any other incident that happened, this will be forgotten.
Carmel Muscat
Aug 14th 2012, 12:42
Il pulizija ghanda tapella mis sentenza
A. Mizzi
Aug 14th 2012, 12:52
Il-Puluzija jappellaw?
Fejn kienu meta kien hemm bzonnhom?
Ghalfejn din il-kwistjoni thalliet tiskala sa hawn? Min suppost izomm l'ordni fejn kien????
Peter Agius
Aug 14th 2012, 13:21
Il-Pulizija ma tistax tappella mis-sentenza.......dak xoghol l-Avukat Generali
L Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 14:08
I agree 100%
B Ellul
Aug 14th 2012, 12:40
Prosit again! Veru pajiz bla gustizzja!
Vera Sant Fournier
Aug 14th 2012, 14:33
AMEN!
James Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 12:39
Malta has been going downhill over the years. Hamallagini and bullying are on the increase. Walking along the streets of our towns and villages one cannot help in noticing the bullying attitude of young men and the cheap way girls dress up. In stead of making progress in this respect we are regressing. Maybe this is all due to bad parenting, or it is a maliase of our society. We are becoming more and more egoistic - expecting to have things which we are not legally entitled to. Illegal boathouses, illegal camping, illegal hunting and trapping. But we are also allowed to do egoistical things which are condoned in a legal way - letting off of fireworks at any time of day and night, closing of roads due to need to monkey around in honour of our village patron saint and thus disrupting traffic and being an inconvenience to others who aren't interested. Law courts are becoming toothless and that is why such behaviour is on the increase. The law is passing all the worng messages - mainly that lawlessness and wrong doing are trivial matters. The above post is excellent. We need more of such like minded people arround at least to balance a bit the hamalli.
cesco di luigi
Aug 14th 2012, 12:47
James..look on the bright side..be positive..has it ever occurred to you how difficult it is to describe that lovely Maltese word, hamallu? Well now it's that much easier. Let's face it, a good picture beats any amount of descriptive text.
Daniel Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 12:51
I'm with this guy!
Charles Grixti
Aug 14th 2012, 13:42
In a way, this phenomenon is being encouraged worldwide by Media and other social engineers - the creation of the "me" mentality where people expect, nay demand material goods and privileges at the expense of all others, including their own parents, who for all intents and purposes have been reduced to the role of cash registers. This starts very young with even toddlers demanding designer clothes and shoes, with parents falling over each other to acquiesce to every wish and whim of their offspring. And It does not end in childhood eithier but goes right into adulthood in many cases.
The cult of individualism (i.e. egotism) is being cultivated and encouraged. (The philosphy of Ayn Rand, which promotes a dog eat dog world of selfihsness and egotism has being taught in schools in North America for decades now and the same philosophy is being exported worldwide).
Meanwhile, the rich and powerful worldwide have united and consolidated their wealth and influence - strength in numbers - while at the same time for the lower strata of society, individualism is being rigourously promoted. Society is thus fragmented and because of 'individualism' no real opposition can be ever mounted by the lower castes to challenge the hegenomy of the few that control the real wealth and power. When society is reduced to individuals all wanting and doing their own thing and indifferent to others, society breaks down and by extension, nationhood is destroyed. And the few 'intelligensia' can never really balance things out, in part because many are recruited to work for the ruling powers and do their bidding and in part because the 'hamalli' reproduce at a far greater rate and outnumber them.
And that is why such behaviour is being treated lightly by the Courts not because the Courts are toothless, it is because that is what is beneficial to the long-run interests of the ruling group. (In other words, when the victim is another of the same social class, it is usually a slap on the wrist, but attack or defraud powerful individuals or institutions and you will feel the full force of the law).
Anthony Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 12:38
As Onslow would say, “Nice!”
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Meaning of showing the tongue:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071229131326AA54lAp
Early man was living in small groups or packs. The males, when showing aggression, mistrust or fear would stand erect, thus exposing the genitals as a threat. In modern society, this would be highly frowned on. Showing the tongue takes the place of showing the genitals, though it has exactly the same meaning.
Godwin Dalli
Aug 14th 2012, 13:08
Dear Anthony Borg I concur with you re: Onslow (RIP now) we live in a country to "Keeping up Appearances" Mur gib lil Hyacinth!!! lol
Rupert Grech
Aug 14th 2012, 12:35
Unfortunately it seems that as in other Western democracies, it seems that the judiciary will supervise a continuing downward spiral in standards of community and individual behavior, refusing to act as is begged for by that part of the community with decent standards
Antoine Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 12:34
squatters squatting!
N Azzopardi
Aug 14th 2012, 12:34
May I ask. How much is the fine (contempt of court) for a woman to appear in front of Magistrate sleaveless and a man without a tie & jacket ? Maybe Euro 60. Then it means that for punching someone in the face the fine is Euro 0.
Godwin Dalli
Aug 14th 2012, 13:11
Very good observation
C Pace
Aug 14th 2012, 12:33
Anarchy at its best.
N Azzopardi
Aug 14th 2012, 12:31
SHAME when one realises that this site is on the net. It can be seen all around the world. Not a good advert for Malta. The damage that these guys caused to our Island and to the Maltese public should be penalised much more then the fine they got from the MAgistrate.
Bernard Pollacco
Aug 14th 2012, 12:36
Mr/Ms.Azzopardi this website is to give the news in malta...if this is the news its the time's whole right to show it
Jonathan Barnes
Aug 14th 2012, 13:07
Bernard Pollacco
I think you are missing the point, what was said is that the site can be viewed from any location, Malta relying heavily on tourism could well do without this sort of "advertising" Also, the incident took place on a Sunday when Marsaxlokk is full of those very tourists so regardless of who the times is aimed at the statement was that it was not a good advert.
I think you will find a very large number of people view the times site that do not actually reside in Malta, either expats or regular tourists many of whom look at Malta as their second home.
Mr John Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 13:24
I wish high ranking EU officials are reading as our country's high ranking officials seem to read Fairyland Newspapers and therefore have no idea what is going on around them. In fact they are giving pay rises to themselves and the judiciary system as well as police officers for the "good" work they are doing.
Fran Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 14:07
I do agree with you Mr. or Ms. Azzopardi - it would be better if we do not hang out our dirty linen for all and sundry to view.
Guy Mahoney
Aug 14th 2012, 12:30
Is it possible that the magistrate who dealt with this 'case', after seeing all these angry comments, feels justice has been (and seem to have been) done? I believe the people need better protection from our courts after all WE PAY for the courst, its employees, magistrates and judges. The administration of our Law Cours should be ashamed of this situation.
Thomas Rubicon
Aug 14th 2012, 12:28
The Divide is getting longer day by day.
I would rather be poor and destitute instead of in the (forceful) company of such drift.
If at all possible I would cross the street rather than be in midst of such.
Adrian P. Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 12:26
Let us not forget that Lawrence Gonzi decided to reward illegal squatters in armier with a promise to legalise them.....so why is everyone surprised that these people are trying to do the same? I bet that the illegal tent village in armier will not be removed. Not even if one of us goes to armier and gets punched up in the process!!
Paul Attard Baldacchino
Aug 14th 2012, 12:20
Well done. This country could have just told them " Do it again, you will get away with it easily and hurt other people in the process". Sometime I think they should introduce a VRT for people here in Malta
John L Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 12:19
I wonder also how were they let to attend court dressed up in beachwear? Giving them a €60 sentence is just a joke...the judicial system in Malta is just a failed joke and an insult to good citizens. The picture just says it all.
J Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 12:19
x gustizzja hi???? tal misthija!!!
J Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 12:17
mhux ha nikkumenta fuq dawn il-"Hillbillies" jew "red necks".
ha nikkumenta fuq il paroli biss!!! ghaliex ingergru biss u niktbu posts twal u tqal biex nuru li ahna intelligenti!
bil kitba u qrid mhux ha naghmlu xejn!! ingergru kontra il gvern u meta tigi l elezjoni ninsew kollox li nkunu ghaddejna minnu tul is snin!!
B Ellul
Aug 14th 2012, 12:38
u mhux hekk, your JM will save the day!
John L Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 12:16
Hamalli united...il-cowboys ta' Malta!!
andreana attard
Aug 14th 2012, 12:16
Pictures speak louder than words! This photo will remain iconically famous, I'm sure.
T Mifsud
Aug 14th 2012, 13:26
Agreed! It shows the non-chalant, disrespect to the citizens of Malta
L Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 16:40
I'm sure too. Their children must be soooooo proud
joseph spiteri
Aug 14th 2012, 12:15
Do these people believe they can do what they like because somebody supports them? They are mistaken and time will tell.
Ian Glazier
Aug 14th 2012, 12:15
Are these people Maltese or Gypsies?
Bernard Manduca
Aug 14th 2012, 12:11
€60. Handy precedent. If you're that way inclined it sound like good value. Just smash some stranger in the face for the thrill of it. Cheaper than a round of drinks. Oh, and if you have a suspended sentence don't worry. It is not considered serious enough to get you back in.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 12:07
Are their tents still in place at Il-Maghluq? If yes, then I do not blame these guys for laughing. They have a lot to be happy about as they have defeated the forces of law and order in this country.
Marie Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 14:11
Could not have put it better myself. Agree 100%
Dave Alan Caruana
Aug 14th 2012, 12:06
Recently I got sent out of a court room because my shirt wasn't tucked into my trousers (it is summer, and I normally wear my shirt out) ... I had complied to the requirements to have a jacket and tie on ... I wonder how these twits were allowed and tolerated in a court room - they should have been fined, at the minimum, for contempt of court. Also, the sentences handed down are a joke! Sometimes I wonder who the real jokers are .. if it's bullies like these, or the people running our courts who allow them to get away with it.
Mark Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 12:05
Hamallagni sfrenata! I think they should have been severely punished even for their outrageous contempt of the law. Having said that, the Facebook comment 'Why should uneducated sots like these have the same democratic rights as a high court judge or a surgeon?' is unethical and terribly snobbish. I am neither. However, education is knowing how to behave onself, particularly in public.
m. borg (slm)
Aug 14th 2012, 12:05
Kellu ragun Franco Debono jikkritika l-operat ta' CMB meta kellu l-ministeru tal-gustizzja u gfhandu ghalfejn jerga jgorr ghaliex bil-ministru Said donnu l-affarijiet baqghu kif kienu.
Ghajb ghal minn ikkundanna lil dawn l-erba €60 biss, li kont jien mhux inqas minn €1000 kull wiehed u xaghrejn servizz fil-komunita..
Dak li kellu sentenza pendenti kien jibda jiskonta.
Ghajb ghal qrati taghna, fejn hi l-vera gustizzja.
Mark Edward Mifsud
Aug 14th 2012, 12:03
Ignorance is Bliss !!
Joe Xuereb
Aug 14th 2012, 12:03
@ Tanja Cilia (Today, 10:40). Tanja, in my mid-morning daze, I had missed the fifth one, a shy creature who does not want to be photographed picking at his toe-nails and nibbling the bits and spitting them out, no doubt. I'm not kidding. I can imagine the type.
@ Mr Joe Frendo (Today, 10:36). Mr. Frendo, when cases take eight years to come to Court, we complain. On this occasion at least it was dealt with as urgent. For once judges and lawyers were forced to get off their arse, like pronto! (not forgetting that these, and other 'respectable' leaders in our society let us down and this could be part of the problem). People who see themselves as victims of the System often rebel and react. Hopefully, a piffling fine will prevent this but only until the next time. Let us hope that this sorry incident stops here. Reactionary criminal behaviour is never excusable for criminality but the ignorant will latch onto anything to justify their criminal minds. This we know. Getting this lot to wear suits would have been punishment enough (they wouldn't own suits). In suits they would look right idiots. And the one on the near left, the tattooed one with the venomous snake eyes would have come out in a rash and an itch in places where the sun don't shine. I can imagine his copious tattoos under a beautifully laundered white shirt. The one on the right shielding his 'toenail-picking protege' thinks he is 'it' because of the typical heavy metals on his wrists. The type who wears his heart, and his wealth, on his sleeves. And his none too delicate sentiments, no doubt. He's had a tough life like we all do.
The fine was a joke but I sense appeasement of the ungovernable here. This type of man only knows the law of the jungle. He is a hot bloodied heterosexual male who thinks that homosexuals are beyond contempt, instantly putting himself, the Neanderthal, on a pedestal of propriety and rectal rectitude - he is 'up his own.....', alright! And I would rather be a sissy than a thug. A heftier fine would have made them even angrier than they are (makes one wonder what their home-life is like, their thinking process day to day, hour by hour. The mind boggles!). These are men but really, still boys. They think it is always somebody else's fault. Totally incapable of self respect or towards others (but they'd deny it not least because they have not an inkling of the meaning of the word. This is the legacy of the terminally ignorant (and it's not necessarily confined to a particular social class (aħjar daqqa ta' ħarta mingħand il-pulit milli tgħanniqa mingħand il-baxx. Not necessarily!).
Unfortunately I sense that there is such a thing as a malaise Maltaise, insidious like 'deni rqiq'. The air can be stifling and the heat does not help. These people here have nothing going for them - they subsist at a subhuman level, intellectually and otherwise. They are angry. They want to sleep in the open, an openness that gives them a sense of freedom of sorts - rather boy-scoutish, this. They camp where it suits, regardless of the law and other people's discomfort (hence the brawl, a local fighting for his legitimate patch of sand). Anarchy is in the air.
All things being equal, none of this should have happened. I often wonder why the Maltese don't take to the streets and campaign for whatever they want, in a civil manner. Maybe there is something about the Maltese temperament, mild but frustrated and 'helpless'. The victim in this pathetic incident could/should have contacted the Police who would see to sorting out the matter. Why did this not happen? The ugly scene, witnessed by young children thus forming their opinion of the adult world, and very damaging to them, would have been avoided. And this is why many Maltese, especially males, like a public punch-up and smirk at the sight. Sides are quickly taken up - instinctive snap decision - and before one knows it, there's a mini war with potentially, tragic outcomes.
Whatever these guys (and others like them) think of themselves, would any decent commenter here want to be a single hair on THEIR body? Quite! And this very thought makes me shudder. For this kind of person is a punishment unto themselves. And they are trapped in spite of their bravado and tongue-pulling. And nose/toenail picking. And picking on other people to ease their anguished existence. And no tent near any seashore will ease that any day soon.
Toni Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 11:59
Still cannot understand how the magistrateaccepted such trendddyyyyy attire in his cuort room!!
Raphael Dingli
Aug 14th 2012, 12:12
Although the clothing is rather unedifying - the reality is that you cannot legislate on taste.
Toni Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 15:46
@ Raphael
You missed the whole point!
If you go to a court sitting with much less than a tie you get fined at least Eur50 for contempt of court.
Yet this time, the court did not find anything wrong when these guys went up dressed like that!
Patrick Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 11:58
It is worrying to see the courts giving out a stupid fine like that but to rub salt to the wound, one of the guilty who was supposed not to commit another offence during the term of a (previous) suspended sentence was just patted on the back by our courts instead of having his prison suspended sentence kick in.
And then the courts, have handed out 6 months prison sentences to foreign tourists who brought over with them a very small amount of marijuana (which is less harmless than cigarettes) intended for their own personal use.
Why are we in such a mess?
Andrew Cumbo
Aug 14th 2012, 11:57
Although they shall be removed from the illegal camping village they developed, I am not imagining me living with this type of people for the summer time in a legal campsite either.
Edward Curmi
Aug 14th 2012, 11:56
why are they surprised that they werent wearing the correct attire..even theit lawyer was told off by the magistrate for not being convenient dressed for the law courts!!
John Caruana
Aug 14th 2012, 11:55
Ahna ahna jew m'ahniex? Se jeppella l-AG minn din is-sentenza jew cajta tal-qorti?
Alan Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 11:54
Ha naqbad nemmen lil Franco Debono ! qrati u gustizzja tejatrin min fuq s'isfel ! ...... skuzawni, hafna jafu l'opinjoni tieghi normalment bil kontra ta li ktibt illum ...... but this is the straw that broke the camel's back ! tqazzizzna b'dal buzullotti issa ! morna 500 sena lura b'din il- multa ta 60eur u l'ilbies gol qorti !
Andrew Cumbo
Aug 14th 2012, 12:22
Għalkemm l- opinjoni politika tiegħi ma taqbilx ma tiegħek hemm bżonn li jsir xi ħaga malajr kemm jista jkun. Il- ġustizzja f’ Malta ila mwera mhux dawn l- aħħar 25 sena iżda ħafna iżjed. Ma nistawx aħna ċittadini nibqaw mhux protetti mill- ġustizzja. Il- qorti trid tifhem li aħna, ma ridux lil uliedna jkomplu jittrabbew f’ din il- ġungla ta’ min hu l-aqwa jħawwel. Irrid ikun hemm is-sens ta’ biża li jekk ma toservax il- liġi jkun hemm xi tpatti. Ma riedux lill uliedna inferjuri u mbeżża min ċertu ucuħ li huma il- fuq mil- ligi.
Alan Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 14:35
Naqbel 100% li certi affarijiet imisshom ilom li gew amendati u rrangati u updated min wara il- gwerra, ghax hafna ligijiet, multi u penali iktar jghoddu ghas seklu 19 !! ....... bil- marelli 60 eur illi l- Magistrat kien kostrett li (massimu) jwahhalom ! ibdlu il- ligijiet !!!!!
N Cutajar
Aug 14th 2012, 11:52
Well indeed this photos is somehow an offence to us all.
What i wonder is how was this sentence given, i mean for once all was recorded, the actions, horrible ones were there, the judge needed nothing else if not to give an example to all those who think that they are bullies.
Oh yes and I love the extra two day… oh god, this is ridiculous.
Shame on you Malta, shame on you juridical institution
david debattista
Aug 14th 2012, 11:52
all the cokes and cigarettes one can buy for 60 euros Man !
Kenneth Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 11:52
@James Dewar
I spend a lot of time in the UK and the hellish summer is in Malta not in the UK. In Malta especially during this horrid summer one cannot function anymore. Are you one of those people who is idle during the summer months, do nothing, watch the world go by, you have your property air conditioned 24/7, you have a pool in your house with a cocktail in your hands. Otherwise I will ask you to go and check your blood pressure if you think this summer is not hell. Anyway the topic here is the jacket and tie which one is required to wear at the law courts. This is an outdated, old fashioned idea which must be ditched in a climate like ours. The accused who appear in the photo have nothing to be ashamed of, don't wear a jacket and tie lads and hold your head up high. You have been punished enough already.
Rita Debono
Aug 14th 2012, 11:50
Kieku kelli nibda nrabbi bhalissa ma naghmilx l-izball li ntella' 'l uliedi jirrispettaw lil qrati u lill-awtorita` imma li jitghallmu jiddefendu ruhom mill-bullies!!
As for the people in the photo I have one thing to say: If ignorance is bliss what is STUPIDITY??? Vera msieken eh! Viva l-imbecilli u l-istupidi ghax huma jirrenjaw f'dal pajjiz.
Norman E Grech
Aug 14th 2012, 11:48
Pazziez tal misthija! Dawn haqqhom Gimgha habs fid dlam! Forsi jitaghlmu ma jitqazzux u din isservi ta deterrent ghal bullies ohrajn li tilghin!
Nista nimmagina t tfal ta madwarhom x'cans ghandhom!!
L'ebda kustjoni ma tigi rizolta bil vjolenza!
Mr John Agius
Aug 14th 2012, 11:47
60 euro talli rredikolaw il Malta u l Maltin kollha. Igibu ic-cifra tal-multa kien jonqos.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-pod13-malta20120812190142,0,6191190.photo
Victor Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 11:45
What I fear is back-lash Mafia-style, if it's not on already - if you want justice go elsewhere.
David Axiaq
Aug 14th 2012, 11:44
how on earth did they let them like this in court!! its not fair, even if one have to go to a local council tribunal have to wear at least a tie....notice the one one the right doing a pedicure
Andreas Moser
Aug 14th 2012, 12:13
Not allowing the accused into court for his own proceeding would be a violation of due process.
If it would lead to the trial being postponed, the accused would simply say he doesn't have any other clothes and he would never have to face trial.
anthony sultana
Aug 14th 2012, 11:43
69 year old man he still have the spirit fighting,what an example to the kids, no wonder our prison is full of them kids.
Ronald Zammit
Aug 14th 2012, 11:41
Tal misthija dawn in nies (Jekkj tista issejhilhom nies!!) u tal misthija u redicola iktar is sentenza mil qorti!! Il filmat tal glieda bid daqqiet ta ponn li kullhadd seta jaghra fuq it TV jitkellem wahdu! . Min jikkommetti affarijiet bhal dawn ghandu jigi ikkastigat SEWWA bil ligi.... INKELLA inkunu qed inheggu biex kullhadd jihu il ligi b'idejh !! Dawn il hamsa ma tanx jidru li isobijhom ta emijlhom..kellhom kemm kellhom ragun(jekk kellhom) qatt ma messhom ghamlu dak li ghamlu!! Ir Raguni ma tridx FORZA !!! J'Alla xeni bhal dawn li ihamrunna wiccna specialment mal barranin ma nergawx narawhom iktar u iktar bejnitna ahwa MALTIN.
David Carabott
Aug 14th 2012, 11:40
€60 for such a punch televized for all to see!
How can anyone blame the common citizen for losing all confidence in the Maltese judicial system?
Strong with the weak & weak with the strong.
No wonder the victim forgave them; better for him. He must have feared their getting back at him had he not done so; I cannot but opine that the justice system in Malta is there to protect the perpetrator not the victim.
P Bonnici
Aug 14th 2012, 11:37
I wonder if they have been banned from Marsaxlokk.
D. Cini
Aug 14th 2012, 11:37
In a time when everyone is trying to educate children against bullying our authorities send their message about the issue aswell..................'Bullying is not something serious. If you get caught you will only suffer a small slap on the hand'..........This photo gives the exact picture of what criminals think about our authorities. Well done to the law courts to manage to become so much respected.
Mr Mike Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 11:35
My heroes!
Claudio Cilia
Aug 14th 2012, 11:34
Hamallagini is ruling our country ,, ,DOOM is upon us !
Edward Curmi
Aug 14th 2012, 11:57
it will rule our country soon................
John L Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 12:21
@Edward Curmi: It is already ruling and for a long time...so your insipid comment makes you one of the clique.
N. Agius
Aug 14th 2012, 11:34
This incident reflects what is happening in some schools. What many people don't know is that bad behaving students in some state schools are getting away with practically anything they do. Sometimes the parents are defending the bad behaviour of their offspring.
Karl Consiglio
Aug 14th 2012, 11:32
Ignore the facade image they have to portray as though they don't care, trust me im sure deep down they didnt enjoy paying the fine.
Alan Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 11:56
Oh ! Give me a break Karl for heaven's sake !!! bil- marelli ta 60 eur !!
Doris Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 12:33
Don't worry we'll be paying the fine through social services!!!!!!
Karl Consiglio
Aug 14th 2012, 12:38
Alan, in this day and age its a lot, dont forget the bills!
Pamela Hansen
Aug 14th 2012, 11:32
It is not the clothing, it is the bullying attitude and the judiciary's sentence on the use of violence to settle disagreements that should concern us.
R. Balzan
Aug 14th 2012, 12:23
Everything should concern us. Including their clothing in court, their colorful tattoos but mostly their smug look on their faces which seem to tell the court and us all: alabibna minn kulhadd!
Mr Tony Gatt
Aug 14th 2012, 11:32
As the Irish say- "What can you expect from a pig but a grunt?"
Pule' Carmel
Aug 14th 2012, 11:30
And to think that I , as a court expert for 40 years waiting for five hours in a cold awla, was sent out of the Hall at the local courts because at my old age I was feeling so cold and took off my jacket to wear a pullover over my shirt which had a tie around its collar!!
And to think that all my ethical behaviour and my studies won me an equal vote as the people in the photograph. There are five of them and one of me, what are the chances of me having the Parliament representative of my choice??? I feel so out numbered in such a democracy! In Malta there is as much Democracy as there was Communism in Russia!!!!!!!!!!!
And to think that all my savings due to being educated and respectful towards my authorites, have been devalued and depreciated continuously so much by legal USURA and the courts does nothing about the manner in which I am being legally robbed and yet it respects these guys better than the courts ever respected me!!
Our Democracy is one complete farce.
Alan Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 11:59
May I please congratulate you for this post.
Raphael Dingli
Aug 14th 2012, 12:15
Communism in Russia disappeared some time ago. It has been replaced with a totalitarian democracy! Which planet have you been living on.
Pule' Carmel
Aug 14th 2012, 13:15
Mr. Alan Cordina, thank you.
Mr.Raphael Dingli, as you said yourself, "Communism in Russia disappeared some time ago." I did say ".....as there was Communism in Russia." Why were you so sarcastic towards me when we said exactly the same thing? I never could understand people's mind!
Pule' Carmel
Aug 14th 2012, 13:20
Incidentally Mr Raphael Dingly, your statement shows clearly that you did not understand my joke about the realities of Democracy in Malta and Communism in Russia! Think deeply please, when you read my comments.
B Attard
Aug 14th 2012, 14:05
In Malta there is as much Democracy as there was Communism in Russia!!!!!!!!!!!
I beg you pardom DEMOCRACY in Malta is for certain people only nowadays.
Pule' Carmel
Aug 14th 2012, 16:27
Mr B Attard. If you read carefully my contributution, and understand my subtle conotations, you will conclude that we are in full agreement.
Giovanni Rizzo
Aug 14th 2012, 11:30
Why should people like these have the same democratic rights as a high court judge or a surgeon? It's nonsensical and yet because we have endorsed universal suffrage it is anathema to speak against it; but speak against it I will.
VERY WELL SAID.
Adrian P. Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 12:30
What if someone decides you are an idiot.....and your vote gets taken away, Giovanni?
Charles Grixti
Aug 14th 2012, 13:52
The danger with that system is that only the Patrician class would get to vote (same as in ancient Greece) which would then mean that only the interests of that class would be represented. A similar system was in place in Malta during the 19th century, where only male landowners had a vote.
One way to weed out the undesireables would be to set a minimum I.Q standard to be eligible to vote. This would make it a level playing field and all classes of society would have to follow the same rule.
Mr Luke Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 11:29
What about the man that was beaten, any compensation for him?
Eve Axiaq
Aug 14th 2012, 11:28
Vera ghandhom ghalxiex jidhku ghax ma wehlu xejn! Mhux haqq ix- xoghol li hadu l- pulizija.
Herman Bugeja
Aug 14th 2012, 11:28
Ave to whoever wrote the comment on facebook.... exactly my line of thought. Would really have fewer members in parliament and fewer voter queues when we go to the polls.
Amante Reale
Aug 14th 2012, 11:28
You people keep blaming the court, and the magistrate, etc.
The problem here is the LAW. The law states that the maximum penalty for beating someone up is 60 euro. There's nothing a judge can do about that short of changing the law itself.
Alan Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 12:02
that's why I posted earlier .... that although I DON'T AGREE with Franco Debono's attitude and methods ... AT ALL (!!!!!!!!!!!!) ....... but he has long been saying that certain (much) outdated and ridiculous laws should have been changed around 50 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
leo briffa
Aug 14th 2012, 12:10
You are right but the general public cannot understand, since they think the magistrate just dishes out what penalties he wants. I know its ridiculous but its the law. as someone said its worth it for 60 euros.....
Adrian P. Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 12:33
Alan Cordina,
You can say it again and again and again.....but then a Franco Debono pops up.....and you obviously bring up all the excuses in the world, and condemn him.
Your attitude is the very reason things are never changed.
Franco Attard Trevisan
Aug 14th 2012, 12:37
that is why some people blamed the government.... I for one blame all parliament for our ridiculous laws!
Alan Cordina
Aug 14th 2012, 14:42
Adrian, YES, what Franco said about certain outdated laws and penalties more fitting to the 19th century I agree ...... but his method, NO (seta kien ta min kien gvern).
P BORG
Aug 14th 2012, 11:25
“For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power” (1 Corinthians 15:56) …. Prophetic words indeed…
Joseph Stafrace
Aug 14th 2012, 11:25
When people lose faith in the Law Courts, when police officers are beaten up, and the accused get a slap on his hand, when people in high places poke their nose in police investigations ; the country will face anarchy. People facing this phenomena in other countries took to the streets and set-up their own vigilante groups to protect themselves.
A Spiteri
Aug 14th 2012, 11:25
don't blame them...blame an ineffective system that actually protects illegalities. blame a problematic judicial system, a useless police force, a useless MEPA and them, the politicians who defend anyone in exchange for a vote!
Neville Lia
Aug 14th 2012, 11:22
You got it all wrong. They were fined €50 for not wearing the tie and jacket, and €10 for the fight, the punches, the offensive language and so on !!
Bertrand Gove
Aug 14th 2012, 17:06
mela nista narma nidghi u nifqa l-ucuh issa. Imbaghad immur il-qorti liebes is-Sunday best, u nhallas €10 u spicca kollox.
Richard Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 11:21
If I remember correctly , a few years ago an court emplyee was put in jail by a judge because he did not turn the aircondition on!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Busuttil
Aug 14th 2012, 11:18
SHAME!! This country lost all sense of justice. These cowboys should be given at least 1 week jail term for not wearing suitable clothes when appearing in court!!!!!!
Mario Scicluna
Aug 14th 2012, 11:17
X'ma jkunx hawn cowboys jigru mas-saqajn li l-hin kollhu lesti ghall-glieda tajba!! Ghar mill Wild West! Jafu jaghmlu hekk xi post iehor gewwa l-EU, specjalment UK, kif iqalftuwhom 'l-barra kieku! Mur arahom diehlin l-Old Bailey liebsin xi hoola shirt, jew xi bicca flokk imqaccat u xi bermuda, u l-Barristers b'dawk bil wigs!! Niftakar fi kliem Guido Demarco jien, il-Gustizzja mhux biss trid issir, imma trid TIDHER li qed issir! Dan misshu kien ezempju klassiku fejn l-ordni kellha tipprevali u jinghataw lezzjoni xierqa ta' l-agir irresponsabbli taghhom, lanqas haqq l-imbarazzament, persuna fuq clip imcappas ma' Malta kollha dak il-povru jaqla bil-ponn! An example should have been made out of these thugs! Wisq nahseb li din il-bicca ser tohloq precedent.
J Micallef
Aug 14th 2012, 11:13
If you beat up someone you get fined less than smoking a cigarette in a bar !!!! Rather than lighting a cigarette now its cheaper to beat up the guy next to you...it might be less addictive !!
Amante Reale
Aug 14th 2012, 11:25
And certainly more rewarding. In fact you can beat up 4 people for the price of one cigarette in a bar (240e)!
Mr John Agius
Aug 14th 2012, 11:49
Confirms what I wrote earlier Amante, smoking in a bar equates to punching 4 people in the eyes of the law. Very fair indeed.
Anthony Scicluna
Aug 14th 2012, 11:11
If this keeps going on, one day we might see people taking the law in their own hands as happens in other countries. The Courts have placed a market price on brawling and bullying - roll up 60Euros a brawl. While it is not democratic for the minister to intervene and nullify the court judgement, I would welcome some form of intervention to send these people to jail for six months hard labour
R. Grech
Aug 14th 2012, 11:09
A tenfold fine each would have been the least!
Mr T Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 11:09
Can someone from higher authority gives a breakdown of the costs involved in this case? This can range from the payment of policemen, magistrate, resources used and all those involved in the proceedings. This is in the public interest since the taxpayer is paying for all this.
I am sure it costs much more than €300!
Amante Reale
Aug 14th 2012, 11:26
lol I like how you people keep asking the "higher authorities" to do things, like they care.
Karl Consiglio
Aug 14th 2012, 11:08
They look like a rock band.
Amante Reale
Aug 14th 2012, 11:27
They look like five people who would gang up on someone and beat him for no reason whatsoever...
oh wait.
Kenneth Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 11:29
Actually, they don't.
Kenneth Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 12:13
They look more like characters straight from a bad Sicilian comedy.
Leo Bartolo
Aug 14th 2012, 11:06
2 Simple questions: Why were these 5 thugs allowed into the courtroom in such attire? Were these 5 thugs fined for breaking the law concerning the dress code applied the courtrooms?
mary borg
Aug 14th 2012, 11:05
Xi gmiel!! They should fill applications for Mr World Malta!! Why weren't they arraigned separately in court to avoid more bullying! Being a group of vie always makes you tougher!
Mark Shaw
Aug 14th 2012, 11:04
arrogant scum comes to mind!
D Gatt
Aug 14th 2012, 11:03
They are quite happy, their face has finally been on the newspaper. After striving so hard to be a bad-a$$ and pestering people and being a complete bigot and a nuisance to society they have finally done it. Well done to all of you you have succeeded in showing that just because we are coming from approximately 4 billion years of evolution doesn't necessarily mean that all of us are 'evolved'. De-evolution is a fact with you lot.
Luciano Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 10:59
So now I FEEL SAFER! If anybody beats me up he will get a €60 fine!!! And if a gang of five people beats me up - they STILL get fined €60 each!! They should have at least been jailed for 6 months - no bail!! Wonder whether this guy would have cheekily pulled his tongue out after that!!
Mr Tony Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 10:57
The punishment meted out shows that members of the judiciary are, indeed, in need of constant training. The social impact of a decision by the Courts of Criminal Justice is hardly ever taken into account.
Ian James
Aug 14th 2012, 11:07
'Magistrate Antonio Micallef Trigona acquitted them of slightly injuring Mr Haber'... So despite video footage and more than ample stills photography of the incident, the magistrate was unable to see a common assault or to quantify a slight injury following being punched.
Franco Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 11:11
What trainining? I am not trained and I know that 60 euros is too little!
J. Tabone
Aug 14th 2012, 10:52
No fear of authority is the common denominator for most who commit crimes in Malta. The Authorities will not be feared until fines and punishments make people afraid to commit crimes, whether it be on the roads, or anywhere else in the public or private domain.
K. Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 10:51
Very sad....
It seems that they are hailed as heroes....
They should not been allowed to sit at the court rooms entrance staircase and not should have been admitted with such attire....I was expecting the court to fine them for such lack of respect in our court rooms.
Paul Caruana
Aug 14th 2012, 10:51
Unfortunately, the inability of the police to reign in such unruly behaviour is all too evident in this photo. If you got the guts for a fight, go for it (or just threaten that you will do so): you will get your way, even if you are at fault.
More simply put, in Malta might is right every time!
mark attard
Aug 14th 2012, 10:48
what worries me the most is their kids. Are they being brought up in this manner? Aren't they being denied of a safe and decent upbringing?
Mr Joe Frendo
Aug 14th 2012, 11:02
Well said! .. you hit it on the nail! .. if you look at the picture, the third one in the white and orange t-shirt has the answer for you!
John L Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 12:23
....and then same-sex marriages and IVF are the evil of society!!! pffffff
Joseph N. Attard
Aug 14th 2012, 10:46
I am sure that there are respectable and conscientious members of the Judiciary. But in the wake of this, and other, astounding sentences, the general public's outlook on our courts continues to plummet to the depths.
M. Degiorgio
Aug 14th 2012, 10:45
Why don't we question ourselves how many fights are NOT caught on tape? The victim in this case is very luck I must say! As for the accused............... unlucky guys..... Maybe more police patrol or CCTV cameras (WELL regulated & controlled) is the answer..........
Etienne Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 10:54
The problem is not vigilance. The problem is the court. Which in turn is demoralising the police force and giving the free hand to the public. Courts strictly follow their own guide lines and forgetting about being practical. They bask in technicalities and lawyers trying to find loop holes. Even in this episode, with outright crime, seen by the very eyes of each individual, the court has failed to be practical and delivering a balanced judgment.
M. Degiorgio
Aug 14th 2012, 11:08
@ Mr. Galea....... you are perfectly right BUT without real evidence, anyone may get away with it! So in real terms, it's either the judgement in question or practically nothing.............. Now in this case the 5 accused in question got more that 60 Euro each, as their faces, accompanied with the story is being continuously published on facebook and other social networks.......... judgements cannot be changed.............. BUT awareness? Evidence on the media including Youtube? Check out all other events that made it to everyone's mouths...... Thanks to the media!
Franco Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 10:43
U QED JIDDIEHKU QABEL MA WEHLU 60 EWRO... AHSEB U ARA WARA!!!
Charles Abela
Aug 14th 2012, 11:26
..Bingo! I am furious.
Ray Buhagiar
Aug 14th 2012, 10:40
The picture of the famous five is now my PC backdrop to remind me that whilst I am trying my best to be a law abiding citizen, few others are having the best time of their life at my expense.
Tanja Cilia
Aug 14th 2012, 10:40
Subliminal advertising? And why is the Fifth Man peeking from behind the fourth one?
Tony Paris
Aug 14th 2012, 11:24
Because he is picking at his toe-nail! :)
Pippo De Marco
Aug 14th 2012, 10:40
Well that taught them a lesson, didn't it ? ... Once again, the picture speaks volumes.
These men are having a laugh ... Quite literally - And why wouldn't they ?
It would have sent out a much stronger message if the Police had removed their camp from the beach and publicly destroyed it before putting these thugs in Court. And if they couldn't be bothered to dress respectfully for Court then they should have been ordered to wear prison garb or nothing at all, so that everyone could have had a laugh.
K Cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 10:57
hear hear!!
marco caruana
Aug 14th 2012, 10:38
l aktar ritratt 'MISKIN ' tas sena !
Mr Joe Frendo
Aug 14th 2012, 10:36
Can someone elaborate on how much overtime is paid to open the court in odd hours? Was it that necessary to re-open the court for this bunch of arrogance people?
Who is responsible to open the Court when he could have easily taken them in the morning since only 24 hours have passed?
60 euros!! ... Thus the sentence condemns,. protects and hinder from a repetitive action from such arrogance!
carmel cassar
Aug 14th 2012, 10:36
And they expect respect.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 14th 2012, 10:36
And to think that I was chided by a court official for wearing a poloneck (but no tie, of course) under my jacket!
S. Zahra
Aug 14th 2012, 10:34
pure arrogance!!
Paul Azzopardi
Aug 14th 2012, 10:34
Disgusting, we condon chaos....thats what we are telling the......shame shame shame.......Our legal system really deserves their joval expression...they have succeeded in making fools out of what Malta is trying to stand for......WE are sadly, A JOKE
Kenneth Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 10:32
As for the attire we need to move away from this jacket and tie rubbish especially during the summer months in particualr the hellish summer of 2012. Yes they could have worn better clothes but jacket and tie???? We need to ditch them once and for all in Malta. I think the brutal and horrid summer of 2012 should serve as a wake up call. These guys were involved in a brawl, I think tempers flared because their please were repeatedly ignored. There is nothing to be ashamed of. If the law courts have no A/C or are also experiencing power cuts then it serves them right, no jacket and tie but beach wear!!!
James Dewar
Aug 14th 2012, 10:41
Kenneth, "NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF"?? OK, even the tiny minority have a voice and should be allowed to express their opinion irrespective of how misguided it may be! Re "hellish summer" feel free to spend your next one in the UK and you will learn what a "hellish summer" really is !!
noel cutajar
Aug 14th 2012, 12:13
next time yu're in UK ... try and visit the Queen in beach wear... we'll see how amused she will be... The Court building is an institution in itself and has to be respected as such. That's why Malta is such in a state of despair... people like these 'famous five' in the pic who think that by doing what they did they can outsmart anyone.....
Mark Amaira
Aug 14th 2012, 10:32
U ghax jien inqbat bit-trabokk wehilt 250 ewro.
matthew tanti
Aug 14th 2012, 10:31
I trust the AG will appeal this decision and that the appeal court will be more serious.
Anthony Curmi
Aug 14th 2012, 10:31
Are these men supposed to be role models for future generations? If so we have ableak future ahead of us in Malta. What a shame!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 11:14
The future is here and now. You can see it on the roads with the savage driving presently going on. Yesterday I saw this huge blue BMW being driven by a young man (he overtook me at high speed) drive from the outer lane, right across the inner lane (almost at right angles) and into a side road. Of course no indicator was on and I pity the poor guy driving on the inner lane who had to jump on the brake to avoid a serious crash.
Adrian Grech
Aug 14th 2012, 10:30
Shame
Henry Mifsud
Aug 14th 2012, 10:30
I urge anyone who got a parking/speeding ticket yesterday 13th August 2012 to challenge it on the basis of this ridiculous sentence. Whilst all law abiding citizens are constantly being harassed by the system (if one can even call it that), all other law breakers committing much more serious offenses are having a field day at our law courts. Walt Disney must be spinning in his grave not because we the Maltese have adopted Mickey Mouse as our mascot but because we are using him to ridicule whatever under the sun is unacceptable anywhere else around the globe.
Quo Vadis Malta indeed?
Alan Grixti
Aug 14th 2012, 10:30
It is quite worth it to get fined Euro 60.00 for punching someone. May I pay in advance Euro 1000.00 and punch all those that I dislike?
James Dewar
Aug 14th 2012, 10:35
Euro 1000.00 ? Why do you dislike so many?!!!!
Joseph Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 10:30
Those who still think that dr mifsud bonnici had no reason to resign raise your hand!
matthew tanti
Aug 14th 2012, 10:36
it seems that you do not know the basic rule that a minister cannot interfere in the decisions taken by the courts. it is called "separation of powers".
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 11:16
Mr Tanti: the Minister of Justice is responsible for amending such laws as under which these 'men' were accused and fined. If the law provides for a fine of €60 for this punch up, then yes the law should have been changed years ago. The magistrate can only apply the law as it is.
matthew tanti
Aug 14th 2012, 18:19
the law provides for imprisonment in these cases too. the magistrate chose a fine.
Mario Ellul
Aug 14th 2012, 10:30
So much talk and anger yet no one is really voicing it out by going in the streets. I am not saying violence here, I am saying demonstrations, like we used to do back in the 80's. Unfortunately the labour party are too scared to organise these activities and no one has the guts to stand up and say, this is it. We have reached rock bottom in this country. Shame on the authorities, on the government and all the top heads.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Aug 14th 2012, 11:20
Mr Ellul, unfortunately when peopell here demonstrate against anything for which the government is responsible, they are immediately labelled as 'labourites'. The party in government cannot take objective criticism. To give you one example, when FAA started orgainsing demonstartions against the rape of our environment by the contractors, GonziPN started a subtle campaign that the leader of FAA was a labourite. They never invited her on NET TV as they were too scared to hear what she had to say.
Mario Ellul
Aug 14th 2012, 13:08
I understand perfectly your point Mr Camilleri but we cannot keep going on like this. Someone has to stand up and fight for our well deserved rights and it has to start from the opposition party. Anarchy is at its best because no one is doing anything about these things except, may I say, people like Franco Debono who unfortunately has been stamped with many adjactives but which in reality has been right all along. He and people like JPO who speak their believes have to have security 24/7. This is how we ended up in this country. And than they mention the 80's!! I was a true nationalist who suffered in the 80's but today I am hurt and disgusted at the state the party and the country is in.
A Mamo
Aug 14th 2012, 10:27
Seriously !!? Unbelievable !
A Fenech
Aug 14th 2012, 10:26
€60 biss!! U INT taf x'ifisser!!! - WHAT A DISGUSTING SHAME!
Mr ALBERT LEONE GANADO
Aug 14th 2012, 10:26
Great picture by the TOM photographer. It is a perfect image of two generations of local yobs. It must be preserved for a future ethnographic museum which I have been long proposing should occupy part of the new parliament building to connect parliament with the people. Let us perhaps be more charitable in our reactions and understand this as a way of life of a marginalized part of our society which readers of the TOM hardly come across. The second yob on the left you must all agree does really gets the "galletta" and it would be interesting to know how our educational system could have failed him.
David Darmanin
Aug 14th 2012, 10:23
When will we start to become disciplined and stop these people from behaving like 'cowboys'?
SIgn this petition NOW:
https://www.change.org/petitions/malta-remove-illegal-boathouses-from-our-island
Philip Mizzi
Aug 14th 2012, 10:44
I signed this petition a few days ago.
I appeal to all persons following this thread, DO NOT JUST MOAN do something about it, sign the petition! So called boathouses start with a few camps, then they end up with water, electricity and EVEN STREET NAMES!! These thugs should not be allowed to do what the hell they want!
Kemm hu bravu John Bundy, pajjiz tal-mickey mouse.
Moira Heath
Aug 14th 2012, 11:15
May I also jump on the bandwagon and promote a second petition: this time to remove all unrented sunbeds and umbrellas from our beaches, so that maybe we can have some space to put our stuff and allow the kids to play close to the water without paying through our noses?
http://www.change.org/petitions/ministry-of-tourism-remove-the-unrented-deck-chairs-at-ghadira-bay-blue-lagoon-armier
Maltese thugs need to go. If it means EUR60 a pop, then so be it. Put them in line. I'll go to the ATM withdraw some money. These 5 need to be at the front of the line.
Mr Luke Vella
Aug 14th 2012, 11:43
And you think that by signing your petition will stop people behaving like cowboys!!! By the way these people were camping and they didnt have a boat house!!!
Ray Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 20:10
Stand up and be counted.
Sign the petition NOW, stop what you are doing and sign now!
Signing is for you and all those you love and respect.
By signing you are saying to the powers to be, I Have had enough!
We ARE NO BULLIES. We are just asking for what is right, and only those poeple that we have trusted with our vote has the power to amend and if neccesary safeguard our right to live in piece and harmony with one another. Say NO MORE to the few untoucheables in Malta
Go and vote now, it will take you 2 minutes only
A. Mizzi
Aug 14th 2012, 10:16
They have every reason to be euphoric ... such finesare no deterrent!
There is no remorse, there is no respect, no authority and NO JUSTICE!
"KWALITAJIET ANQAS TAJBIN" seem to be the trentd lately, to be in and very much accepted!
Philip Mizzi
Aug 14th 2012, 10:13
I am not so sure who should be ashamed here. Is it the accused, or the courts?
A survey or opinion poll with this question would be interesting!!
adrian micallef
Aug 14th 2012, 10:23
I'd say the courts, since these 5 are only doing what they know how to do. For them it must be a normal day in their life, so i'm sure they are not feeling the shame.
Mr Anton Borg
Aug 14th 2012, 10:10
Check out far right PICKING HIS TOES!
Victor Pulis
Aug 14th 2012, 10:07
How many times can a 'suspended'sentence be suspended before the criminal is thrown in jail?!
They don't look too concerned over the coming procedures.
James Dewar
Aug 14th 2012, 10:24
Victor, I asked the same question yesterday but so far I don't think the answer has been forthcoming! My own guess would be "too many". I agree re their demeanour, arrogant and carefree, hardly showing either embarassment or remorse following their shameful conduct. One of the worst adverts for Maltese tourism, a group of savages picking on a single defenceless individual. No doubt the incident would be witnesseed by many tourists and who would blame them for thinking that this represented routine and acceptable Maltese behaviour. It would appear from the sentencing that the Court thought it was no worse than that!
Etienne Galea
Aug 14th 2012, 10:07
To portray the failure of justice, just this morning, the number of camps on the beaches of M'xlokk increased. Prosit eh. Not long to go for anarchy!
T.F. Busuttil
Aug 14th 2012, 10:07
oh my GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
M Farrugia
Aug 14th 2012, 11:03
Dawn huma l-afarijiet li Franoc Debono and co. ghanhom jiggieldu sabiex jigu irangati fil-qrati u mhux afarijiet ohra. awn affarijiet tal-misthija ghal pajjizna.
Please choose the reason of your report below: