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Picture draws angry reaction

A front-page picture carried in The Times today as well as video footage carried yesterday has raised a wave of anger on the social media, with people voicing consternation over the attire of the accused, their attitude and the fine meted out to them.

The five were seen entering the law courts building in the afternoon wearing shorts and T-shirts and carrying soft drink bottles. They were taken to court in a police van, more than 24-hours after a brawl at Il-Maghluq, Marsaxlokk, where a man was assaulted during a protest over illegal camping.

Some of the arraigned were wearing the same clothes they had worn at the beach.

A number of people entering the law courts to follow proceedings were also seen wearing shorts.

The norm is for smart clothes, including jacket and tie.

Many writing on the social media also complained about the sentence meted out by the court after the accused pleaded guilty - a fine of €60 each. One of the accused admitted committing a crime during the operative period of a suspended sentence and had his term extended by two years.

Some took their indignation to maltapark, where a punch "to the person of your choice" was being sold for €60.

The following are some comments seen on facebook:

"Sadly the photograph on the front page of today's printed Times is not (yet) reproduced online which is a pity as it shows the Famous Five after they were fined €60 each. Naturally they are euphoric and one of them is actually pulling his tongue out at us which immediately conjured up my grandmother's voice at its most sarcastic saying "dawn zgur gew mil-koxxa ta Giove!" ... I tremble for the future. Anarchy and arrogance seems to be the order of day."

Regarding the suspended sentence, a commenter said: Are we kidding? Cheap price to pay for a good punch up!!!! Perhaps one of the many avvocati, avvocatini, avvocatoni or avvocatucci that exist within this hallowed Republic can explain to me what "suspended sentence" really means! From what I garnered up to now, it means getting away with what you've done and then being allowed to take part in at least one brawl! Fair enough".

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Alfred Fenech

Sep 26th 2012, 13:49



The court"s decision is an insult to our inteligence.

Mrs J. F. Grech

Aug 17th 2012, 17:24

Bill -I think you are missing the point. People feel this incident illustrates the lack of respect for our policing authority, the lack of teeth in our system of justice and that people can in fact injure others with very little remorse or punishment. They can even further show their lack of concern our respect as illustrated in the photo above. These are not the faces of men who felt they needed forgiveness or felt the need to be respectful before the justice system. Never should we mind if this does or does not happen abroad - is this what we want in Malta? is this what we want children to observe and model themselves after? I think not and many of our youth are on Facebook condemning this entire incident and the authorities lack of proper reaction.

fred sammut

Aug 24th 2012, 14:57

agree

Reginald Cini vs Commisinior of Police Gorg Grech.......

A.M. Galea

Aug 17th 2012, 13:09

Naqbel miegħek perfettament għax fejn jirrigwardja il-vjolenza domestika il-pulizija tista tipproċedi ex-officcio anke jekk il-vittma taħfer lill-aggressur tagħha , hekk ukoll f'dan il-kaz il-pulizija għandu jkollha il-poter li tipproċedi bl-istess mod . Ma kienx hemm il-bzonn li il-vittma jitla jagħti ix-xhieda tiegħu , għax provi kien hemm aktar min bizzejjed mil-istess filmati li gew imxandra fuq diversi mezzi tal-media .

Charlie DeBattista

Aug 15th 2012, 12:13

If people do not speak up all this injustice will remain.

Rocco Camilleri

Aug 15th 2012, 09:42

@ Emanuel Vella:
U kif ghandu ragun .

Philip Mizzi

Aug 14th 2012, 23:26

What makes you think it is different in schools, Mr Attard? Some students may not be bright, but they get the same messages that the rest of us get from the authorities!

Our parliamentarians are not worth the chairs they sit on. If they did, they would hear the voice of the law abiding people. When the people voted for the EU, they had such things in mind, better laws.

Ronnie Callus

Aug 14th 2012, 19:25

Full marks Caroline, Discipline must be seen at schools and not hindering it . If Discipline Fails, society fails as well in all areas. One can see certain behaviour on the roads, entertainments areas etc; etc; One hopes that this plea does not fall on deaf ears. One has eyes if he wants to see.

A Mamo

Aug 14th 2012, 19:40

I'd say cry. This is unbelievable !! Only in Malta!

Iggy Vassallo

Aug 14th 2012, 20:16

The last thing they need in Malta is more cowboys, the law is who should take care of this not the citizens. two wrongs dont make a right.

James Dewar

Aug 14th 2012, 22:52

Typical trigger happy exaggerated response from the other side of the pond! Indeed from Oklahoma where one of Americas most violent and disgusting atrocities was enacted by Timothy McVeigh. Yes we all know that Americans revel in their right to bear arms and thrive on violence and we also know of the shooting atrocities that take place as a consequence. It seems that the Wild West mentality still prevails to the detriment of society. Keep it there Robert it's neither wanted or needed in Malta or anywhere else this side of the Atlantic.

Francesca Abela

Aug 15th 2012, 00:09

Exactly - where is Franco Debono now?? Or since it's his best buddy Chris said who is responsible for this shambles at the law courts , he has fallen into a deep silence?? Remember his antics over a broken chair?? Where is he now that the courts have made a total mockery of justice with their silly fine and letting thugs get away scot free??

Ronnie Callus

Aug 14th 2012, 18:37

@ Joe Morana:
Mr.Morana, hundred percent correct is Franco and he is the one who opened the citizens eyes who sees not only blue !! but what is right or deemed to be right. For sure citizens want to see DISCIPLINE in our country which being so small compared to other countries should be more easy to control. Not only increase in salaries the police force wants, BUT support from the Courts and parliamentarians who represent us citizens.

Ronnie Callus

Aug 14th 2012, 18:42

@ Anthony Borg:
Probably you are going to need not only splitting Malta in two, because such guys (behaviour) are well spread around Malta.

C. Bonnici

Aug 14th 2012, 21:34

@Anthony Borg: your colleague's statement reflected ignorance and prejudice 25 years ago. 25 years on, and you do the same. Perhaps we should build a wall to distinguish between prejudiced people and the rest.

Kenneth galea

Aug 14th 2012, 18:43

well said. i agree to the fullest.

Joe Portelli

Aug 14th 2012, 21:32

evidently you are not 'connected' enough to intimidate - not many us left it seems........

Ivan Delia

Aug 14th 2012, 18:10

Titfax lil kulhadd f`keffa wahda Sur Borg ... anka nies minn north u minn ghawdex ghandha hamalli u kriminali !!

Reinhard Azzopardi

Aug 14th 2012, 18:21

Hasra, vera hasra ghax hafna mill-isbah postijiet ta Malta, l'hemmhekk issibhom. Pero se nghid naqra kollox issa. Jien wiehed minn dawk li pregudikat HAFNA kontra s-south pero inzilt noqghod il-Fgura daqs tlett xhur ilu. Ma nista ingerger minn assolutament hadd hawnhekk. Hawn min forsi ihobb idoqq muzika xi naqra gholja, u hawn min forsi isemma lehnu aktar minn haddiehor, u hawn mara toqghod hdejja tqzazzizni thanxar u twerzaq. Pero, qatt ma inzertajt certu ostilita u nuqqas ta ghajnuna kif kont ninzera f'tas-Sliema fejn kont noqghod qabel. Dawn l-ahhar xhur sirt naf skoss guvinur (or rather, irgiel) mill-kottonera u fihom miljun gost. Nies ta qalb kbira, jafu jiehdu gost u ma jaghtu fastidju lil hadd. Apparti hekk, bl-iskola kollha li ghandi, xorta irnexxielhom jghallmuni diversi affarijiet.

Elysia Farrugia

Aug 14th 2012, 18:30

Mr Borg, sfortunatament jezistu nies bhalhek li jigudikaw lin-nies skond liema post joqoghdu. Haga ohra, 'sweeping statement' bhal dan ma' juri xejn ghajr ghal nuqqas ta maturita' u konsiderazzjoni min-naha tieghek.

Kevin Attard

Aug 14th 2012, 19:41

immatur...

James Mistruzzi

Aug 14th 2012, 18:00

Again, and again, again - can anyone please reply - "What does it take to change this?"

C Pace

Aug 14th 2012, 18:22

@ James Mistruzzi: the word is DISCIPLINE.

James Mistruzzi

Aug 14th 2012, 17:48

pales into insignificance

James Mistruzzi

Aug 14th 2012, 17:53

Francis, your words, "pales into insignificance" speak volumes. But how can we make changes? My previous postings with this question still remain unanswered.

Francis Saliba M.D.

Aug 15th 2012, 08:55

Absolute shamelessness on the part of our lawmakers and our judiciary. They seem to be more concerned to implement a travesty of justice that keeps hardened violent criminals in circulation because they are the bread and butter of most lawyers that infest parliament and the law courts.

Victor Baldacchino

Aug 14th 2012, 17:44

Grat lili ukoll l-imhallef keccini il barra ghax kont bla ingravata u kont nassisti persuna ghax kieku kont nehel multa.

A. MICALLEF

Aug 14th 2012, 17:41

Our politicicians are accomplices both PN and Labour Party. They are the ones who allowed the
people of Armier, Ghadira and all the other shanty towns, to occupy the best parts of Malta
illegally. In return they secured their votes and now they are still threatened by their votes.
No condemnation is coming from PN or PL, no guarantees for the removal of these shanty
towns and the return of the land to the state is coming from PN and PL. SHAME ON YOIU
POLITICIANS !

Simon Balzan

Aug 14th 2012, 16:34

You're more than right !!!

Ms Xixi Caruana

Aug 14th 2012, 16:31

Unfortunately you're right... these men in the photo do represent a very big percentage of our rotten society. Very sad indeed.

Lis Schembri

Aug 14th 2012, 16:07

Best comment everr???

Lol!

Daniel Orsini

Aug 14th 2012, 16:40

ha ha ha Oswald, i guess you went to rio to have this huge phenomina on carnivals, what about if one of these was you child? you would react different? listen noi one asked these people that protested had the right to do it???? 1) without the police permit as the law insist, 2) if these persons that use caravans as a hobby and have the right to do so once they keep with all guide lines. you know that this people didn't put any rubbish there and more then that they have cleaned befor ethey camped there? you know they were acused of stealing some goods from boats when this was not true? you know they were offended? you know they told to leave there because there were not from M'Xlokk? as if Malta is not ours all, and M'Xlokk people don't go out of there. yes here we are mixing things out. the court seen everything in detail not like the one's talikng here just to say some thing about the subject BRO if you are maltese

Joseph Borg

Aug 14th 2012, 20:11

@Daniel Orsini. Are you by any chance justifying violent behavior because you feel offended? Whether the protestors or your family are right or wrong , it does not give you and anyone else any right to punch someone. Moreover five against one? Biex iktar turi kemm tkun bully!


Mela issa ghax quddiemi jigi xi hadd jipparkja addocc u jarmi z zibel quddiem biebi bir ragunament tieghek ninzel u ncapcapielu hux ghax inhosni offiz. Kif ma tafux tisthu? Qorti bla guts dak li ghanda li jhallu nies jibqaw jaghmluwha tal cowboys.......taf sakhemm hux? Sakhemm xi hadd jiddeciedi li jibda jiehu l ligi b idejh! Imbghad malajr tmurilhom l gharja kollha!

Daniel Orsini

Aug 14th 2012, 22:00

@ Joseph Borg i ever said it was justified? not read well my comments. but for some one to try to change the perception of a case is a more criminal attitude that the case in itself, no one have the right to hit no one and its not right, yes i agree. but like i said before things were totally different that you see them. you have to balance in between a case and another. by the way i am not offended and i don't think i am a cowboy, i think from only this comment you already showed me you judged me wrong imagine i am in a jury with you. and you tell me ' kif ma nafx nisthi'? mela xi darba gejt nisraqlek il-halib minn wara il-bieb minn xix tridni nisthi jien? my friend you look like an educated person and you don't deserve this kind of attitude to judge me because i gave my opinion like every one did. thanks for giving me the right of freedom of expression. :)

James Camilleri

Aug 15th 2012, 12:24

@Daniel Orsini
L-atteggament ta’ dawn il-5 machos qatt u hadd ma jista’ jaqbel mieghu.
1. Dawn u kull min kien ikkampjat fuq din il-bajja urew l-egoizmu sfrenat taghhom. Il-bajjiet huma ta’ kulhadd u hadd ma jista’ jaghmilhom propjeta’ tieghu. Li tikkampja ghall-gurnata hija haga, li tikkampja ghall-gimghat hija haga ohra. Dan huwa llegali u kull min kien ikkampjat kien qed jikser il-ligi.
2. Il-fatt li kienu fil-hazin u kellhom tort u pattew il-hazin b’hazin akbar jaghmel dan l-agir hazin doppju.
3. Hadd ma jista’ jaqbel ma’ agir fejn 5 irgiel jaggreddixxu ragel wiehed.
4. Agir hazin bhal dan juri valuri hziena – egoismu, nuqqas ta’ rispett ghall-haddiehor, tendenza ta’ kriminalita’, nuqqas ta’ dixxiplina, nuqqas ta’ rispett lejn haddiehor u lejn il-ligijiet tal-pajjiz.
5. Dan huwa frott ta’ valuri li hziena li hafna drabi jitrammu minn mindu nkunu zghar – fejn il-genituri minflok jiddixxiplinaw lil uliedhom jaghtuhom ragun meta jkunu fil-hazin. Staqsi lill-ghalliema u jghidulek li dak li jghallmu lit-tfal jigi mhassar mill-genituri.
6. Jekk inti tirrispeta lil dak li jigi minnek, bezbzu tbezbiza kif kieku jien naghmel lil ibni jekk ikun fil-hazin. B’hekk biss jista’ jkollna socjeta’ b’sahhitha u jispicca l-bullying li mhux biss marbut ma’ l-iskola imma hu mifrux mas-socjeta’ kollha. Uri lil dawn it-talin kemm huma gwief, l-attegament taghhom kemm kien egoist u vjolenti u kemm juri nuqqas ta’ irgulija, ghax il-bully wara kollox dak li hu – bniedem gifa, injurant u bezziegh.

Bertrand Gove

Aug 14th 2012, 15:58

mela bl-argument tieghek qed tghid li kulhadd jista jibda jxejjer il-ponn. sakemm ituk promotion minn dubbiena ghal farfett.

Carmel Camenzuli

Aug 14th 2012, 16:54

Sur Sultana tista tghidilna X'ghandom x'jaqsmu il kbarat ma dawn il-5 marmalja ?

anthony sultana

Aug 14th 2012, 17:33

Il kument qatali nofsu, imma sa nejdlek, taf kemm hawn violations taruhom u tmishom bidejk, u xhin wiehed jmur jaghmel complain lil heads ta l-awtoritajiet, dawn minflok li jghinnuk joqodu jadduk biz zmien.Skont minn tkun.Din xi haga li trid tinqata darba ghal dejjem.

Ray Buhagiar

Aug 14th 2012, 15:56

the thing i hate most - this phrase says it all about your attitude. Why hate?

anthony sultana

Aug 14th 2012, 15:59

You have a problem,don"t you see that this gang think that bulling is funny.

John Zammit

Aug 14th 2012, 16:05

AS far as i know MEPA gave up to 15 days to remove the Camps when a two hour time would have been enough. Regarding there appearance in court and the sentence given just dont forget that one is a relapser and had a suspended sentence already

Rita C Grima

Aug 14th 2012, 16:57

Seen in the light of values the insensitivity towards others caused in such circumstances is called Entitlement, which is a situation wherein an individual entitles himself to something which actually belongs by right to everybody else not only to this one person. An example of this Entitlement which is becoming quite rampant around us is that of a driver who parks his car on a main road just to buy pastizzi, entitleing himself to have the public place for himself for the time he chooses for himself, causing everyone else to have to engineer their cars around his, sometimes at their own risk, for the amount of time this person chooses to Entitle himself. If Entitlement is left to increase without being checked, it will lead to mayhem.
Rita C Grima

Joseph Borg

Aug 14th 2012, 20:21

So qed tiggustifika il vjolenza? Tajjeb mela issa ghidli fejn trid niltaqaw incapcaplek daqqa ta ponn, nitilaw il qorti , ahfirli u filkas inhallaslek cafe u nsiru hbieb, tajjeb? Ghax ir ragunament tieghek hekk hu xejn inqas u xejn aktar. Il vjolenza tibqa vjolenza, slight jew mhix u HADD ma ghanu dritt ghax f sahna ta mument jerfa jdejh fuq persuna ohra! L anqas l annimali ma jaghmlu hekk ahseb wara nies suppost civilizzati! Habib ghax issa sirna hbieb hux,sic, il hazin ghidlu hazin ghax il hazin qatt ma jsir tajjeb! U jekk il familjari tieghek ghandhom ragun fuq il kampijiet ghalija il fatt li refaw idejhom fuq haddiehor minghajr l iehor anqas biss gholla subajh iz zghir , ghalija bir rispett kollu tlift kull argument validu li seta kellek! Xejn aktar u xejn anqas! Habib!

Daniel Orsini

Aug 14th 2012, 21:37

ray what is wrong in the word hate. do you love lies or you only don't like????????????? me i hate lies! so i can't understand your point in what attitude i used. because i hate injustice. but it has to be considered in the philosophy of what was intentional or not! for egzemple my friend. did you know when some one makes a protest with out informing the police is illigal? it would can be seen not as a protest but as an assalt. and that is what happen a missunderstanding between all. so what the problem now. we see these things and mistakes evry occation. in feasts we will see lot of slight fight in every corner of the place. so we have to give them life setance to all! wow that's nice! you think the judge didn't consider all factors of the case? it took nearly two hours till they had the sentence and all of them include the victim agreed that there was nothing serious or out of this world. you know that the victim don't even have one thiny scratch? you considered that non arms. i hope that at least if all accidents would be this slight at least no one go to hospital. come on lets be realistic. its like you are living in a place that no mistakes are tolerated.

Daniel Orsini

Aug 14th 2012, 21:44

John, we can never say why MEPA gave 15 day or more or less. i am sorry in this country it seems like every body want to manage things themselves. if you don't agree about what mepa or other institution do. go to the department and there's a sujjestion box and post your comments. mepa gave them three days and not 15 days like you are saying and i know what i am saying. there's a saying with maltese my friends ' minn ikun fil-borma ikun jaf x'fijha' you think if this man that was the ' victim@ would have forgave them if things are like everyone is saying here????????????????????????? did anyone asked this question??????????

Charles Grixti

Aug 14th 2012, 16:45

With Churches in every corner and the Church's voice being heard on sundry but mostly topics of no real consequence, both in the media and from Church pulpits and the pious mein of the more Catholic then the Pope Maltese population, one certainly cannot blame this mess on lack of 'religion' as it is construed in these islands. Rather I think it is because these institutions are not imparting real values. Certainly if one was to learn by their actions rather by what they say and preach, then Maltese society is precisely at the place it ought to be.

Kenneth Baldacchino

Aug 14th 2012, 16:15

Dear Mr Micallef - as for your question on how to present yourself in court next week - this depends on whether you want to be associated with the civilized part of the Maltese population or else with these 4 in the photo. The choice is yours and your alone.

James Mistruzzi

Aug 14th 2012, 15:53

Please don't tell me they have children.

mary borg

Aug 14th 2012, 16:37

probably they have around 4/5 each!!

cesco di luigi

Aug 14th 2012, 16:19

YEP!!!

Claire Busuttil

Aug 14th 2012, 15:49

@Bonello-what those this mean???? just because these people are acting in a disgusting way...all Maltese are like that??....sorry but it is a silly comment.

Daniel Orsini

Aug 14th 2012, 15:44

contempt of court in what sense? do you know it is normal when some one will be taken to court in an urgent case they will be taken with the same cloths they will be with? it is normal my friend, better you will spend some time seeing all facts before comment in public.

Mr Ian Xuereb

Aug 14th 2012, 15:14

Marmalja fil- veru sens tal-kelma!!!! Ma hemx fejn tasal aktar!!!!

Mr Peter Barbara

Aug 14th 2012, 15:25

Last week I needed to apply for a Secret wills certificate from the Lower Courts (Strait Street) and was not allowed in because I was wearing a bermuda (not like the ones in the photo ) - no need to go in front of a judge or magistrate , just pay the clerk, a few metres inside the building,

GL Calleja

Aug 14th 2012, 15:40

Mr Mizzi sometimes ignorance is bliss and this is proof enough. Bullies.

P. Ciantar

Aug 14th 2012, 15:17

well said John

John Farrugia

Aug 14th 2012, 18:14

Sorry ta,pejjipt u ma tajt fastidju l hadd?
Mela wahdek kont fil club?

GL Calleja

Aug 14th 2012, 14:52

The picture tells all.

Rocco Camilleri

Aug 14th 2012, 16:13

@ Alex Tanti:
Kollu minnu Sur.Tanti, nahseb lill annimal qed intuh aktar importanza mill-bniedem, sa' anke jlibsuhom qedien ( u in-nies inehhu jew inaqqsu l-hwejjeg) kollox bil-maqlub. Tlifna l-logika ta' kollox nahseb.

Adrian Stivala

Aug 14th 2012, 15:34

-)))

Claire Busuttil

Aug 14th 2012, 15:53

although picking his toe!!

John Farrugia

Aug 14th 2012, 18:16

Tajba LOL

Adrian P. Cassar

Aug 14th 2012, 16:30

Sticking out his tongue does absolutely nothing to me.

I don't give a damn what mintoff did in the 70s....cos we are in 2012, and just as PN managed to change many things, they could easily have dealt with armier.
What is happening in Armier is much much more than a tongue stuck out at us by Dr Gonzi....it is an insult that doesn't even compare to a tongue stuck out. And it doesn't come from a hamallu!!

B Ellul

Aug 14th 2012, 13:14

True.... however not according to our courts!

Francis Sammut

Aug 14th 2012, 13:10

Well said Ms. P.M. Graham.

Fran Abela

Aug 14th 2012, 14:02

It is not only the Police Force who try to do their best but if the law stipulates stupid sentences then it is up to the parliamentarians - all of them - to update the laws.

Paul Cordina

Aug 14th 2012, 14:02

1) The police were efficient and handled the situation well.
2) It is the Judiciary who impart sentences/fines.
3) Just waiting to see how much MEPA is efficient now.
4) Yes community service to be done at M'xlokk would be ideal! (But it must be for at least a whole year!)

Kenneth Zammit

Aug 14th 2012, 14:21

You're right. Unless they make an example out of someone, these things will not stop from happening.

And yes, just like any other incident that happened, this will be forgotten.

A. Mizzi

Aug 14th 2012, 12:52

Il-Puluzija jappellaw?

Fejn kienu meta kien hemm bzonnhom?

Ghalfejn din il-kwistjoni thalliet tiskala sa hawn? Min suppost izomm l'ordni fejn kien????

Peter Agius

Aug 14th 2012, 13:21

Il-Pulizija ma tistax tappella mis-sentenza.......dak xoghol l-Avukat Generali

L Zammit

Aug 14th 2012, 14:08

I agree 100%

Vera Sant Fournier

Aug 14th 2012, 14:33

AMEN!

cesco di luigi

Aug 14th 2012, 12:47

James..look on the bright side..be positive..has it ever occurred to you how difficult it is to describe that lovely Maltese word, hamallu? Well now it's that much easier. Let's face it, a good picture beats any amount of descriptive text.

Daniel Borg

Aug 14th 2012, 12:51

I'm with this guy!

Charles Grixti

Aug 14th 2012, 13:42

In a way, this phenomenon is being encouraged worldwide by Media and other social engineers - the creation of the "me" mentality where people expect, nay demand material goods and privileges at the expense of all others, including their own parents, who for all intents and purposes have been reduced to the role of cash registers. This starts very young with even toddlers demanding designer clothes and shoes, with parents falling over each other to acquiesce to every wish and whim of their offspring. And It does not end in childhood eithier but goes right into adulthood in many cases.

The cult of individualism (i.e. egotism) is being cultivated and encouraged. (The philosphy of Ayn Rand, which promotes a dog eat dog world of selfihsness and egotism has being taught in schools in North America for decades now and the same philosophy is being exported worldwide).

Meanwhile, the rich and powerful worldwide have united and consolidated their wealth and influence - strength in numbers - while at the same time for the lower strata of society, individualism is being rigourously promoted. Society is thus fragmented and because of 'individualism' no real opposition can be ever mounted by the lower castes to challenge the hegenomy of the few that control the real wealth and power. When society is reduced to individuals all wanting and doing their own thing and indifferent to others, society breaks down and by extension, nationhood is destroyed. And the few 'intelligensia' can never really balance things out, in part because many are recruited to work for the ruling powers and do their bidding and in part because the 'hamalli' reproduce at a far greater rate and outnumber them.

And that is why such behaviour is being treated lightly by the Courts not because the Courts are toothless, it is because that is what is beneficial to the long-run interests of the ruling group. (In other words, when the victim is another of the same social class, it is usually a slap on the wrist, but attack or defraud powerful individuals or institutions and you will feel the full force of the law).

Godwin Dalli

Aug 14th 2012, 13:08

Dear Anthony Borg I concur with you re: Onslow (RIP now) we live in a country to "Keeping up Appearances" Mur gib lil Hyacinth!!! lol

Godwin Dalli

Aug 14th 2012, 13:11

Very good observation

Bernard Pollacco

Aug 14th 2012, 12:36

Mr/Ms.Azzopardi this website is to give the news in malta...if this is the news its the time's whole right to show it

Jonathan Barnes

Aug 14th 2012, 13:07

Bernard Pollacco

I think you are missing the point, what was said is that the site can be viewed from any location, Malta relying heavily on tourism could well do without this sort of "advertising" Also, the incident took place on a Sunday when Marsaxlokk is full of those very tourists so regardless of who the times is aimed at the statement was that it was not a good advert.
I think you will find a very large number of people view the times site that do not actually reside in Malta, either expats or regular tourists many of whom look at Malta as their second home.

Mr John Borg

Aug 14th 2012, 13:24

I wish high ranking EU officials are reading as our country's high ranking officials seem to read Fairyland Newspapers and therefore have no idea what is going on around them. In fact they are giving pay rises to themselves and the judiciary system as well as police officers for the "good" work they are doing.

Fran Abela

Aug 14th 2012, 14:07

I do agree with you Mr. or Ms. Azzopardi - it would be better if we do not hang out our dirty linen for all and sundry to view.

B Ellul

Aug 14th 2012, 12:38

u mhux hekk, your JM will save the day!

T Mifsud

Aug 14th 2012, 13:26

Agreed! It shows the non-chalant, disrespect to the citizens of Malta

L Farrugia

Aug 14th 2012, 16:40

I'm sure too. Their children must be soooooo proud

Marie Borg

Aug 14th 2012, 14:11

Could not have put it better myself. Agree 100%

Raphael Dingli

Aug 14th 2012, 12:12

Although the clothing is rather unedifying - the reality is that you cannot legislate on taste.

Toni Borg

Aug 14th 2012, 15:46

@ Raphael

You missed the whole point!

If you go to a court sitting with much less than a tie you get fined at least Eur50 for contempt of court.
Yet this time, the court did not find anything wrong when these guys went up dressed like that!

Andrew Cumbo

Aug 14th 2012, 12:22

Għalkemm l- opinjoni politika tiegħi ma taqbilx ma tiegħek hemm bżonn li jsir xi ħaga malajr kemm jista jkun. Il- ġustizzja f’ Malta ila mwera mhux dawn l- aħħar 25 sena iżda ħafna iżjed. Ma nistawx aħna ċittadini nibqaw mhux protetti mill- ġustizzja. Il- qorti trid tifhem li aħna, ma ridux lil uliedna jkomplu jittrabbew f’ din il- ġungla ta’ min hu l-aqwa jħawwel. Irrid ikun hemm is-sens ta’ biża li jekk ma toservax il- liġi jkun hemm xi tpatti. Ma riedux lill uliedna inferjuri u mbeżża min ċertu ucuħ li huma il- fuq mil- ligi.

Alan Cordina

Aug 14th 2012, 14:35

Naqbel 100% li certi affarijiet imisshom ilom li gew amendati u rrangati u updated min wara il- gwerra, ghax hafna ligijiet, multi u penali iktar jghoddu ghas seklu 19 !! ....... bil- marelli 60 eur illi l- Magistrat kien kostrett li (massimu) jwahhalom ! ibdlu il- ligijiet !!!!!

Andreas Moser

Aug 14th 2012, 12:13

Not allowing the accused into court for his own proceeding would be a violation of due process.

If it would lead to the trial being postponed, the accused would simply say he doesn't have any other clothes and he would never have to face trial.

Edward Curmi

Aug 14th 2012, 11:57

it will rule our country soon................

John L Galea

Aug 14th 2012, 12:21

@Edward Curmi: It is already ruling and for a long time...so your insipid comment makes you one of the clique.

Alan Cordina

Aug 14th 2012, 11:56

Oh ! Give me a break Karl for heaven's sake !!! bil- marelli ta 60 eur !!

Doris Farrugia

Aug 14th 2012, 12:33

Don't worry we'll be paying the fine through social services!!!!!!

Karl Consiglio

Aug 14th 2012, 12:38

Alan, in this day and age its a lot, dont forget the bills!

R. Balzan

Aug 14th 2012, 12:23

Everything should concern us. Including their clothing in court, their colorful tattoos but mostly their smug look on their faces which seem to tell the court and us all: alabibna minn kulhadd!

Alan Cordina

Aug 14th 2012, 11:59

May I please congratulate you for this post.

Raphael Dingli

Aug 14th 2012, 12:15

Communism in Russia disappeared some time ago. It has been replaced with a totalitarian democracy! Which planet have you been living on.

Pule' Carmel

Aug 14th 2012, 13:15

Mr. Alan Cordina, thank you.

Mr.Raphael Dingli, as you said yourself, "Communism in Russia disappeared some time ago." I did say ".....as there was Communism in Russia." Why were you so sarcastic towards me when we said exactly the same thing? I never could understand people's mind!

Pule' Carmel

Aug 14th 2012, 13:20

Incidentally Mr Raphael Dingly, your statement shows clearly that you did not understand my joke about the realities of Democracy in Malta and Communism in Russia! Think deeply please, when you read my comments.

B Attard

Aug 14th 2012, 14:05


In Malta there is as much Democracy as there was Communism in Russia!!!!!!!!!!!

I beg you pardom DEMOCRACY in Malta is for certain people only nowadays.

Pule' Carmel

Aug 14th 2012, 16:27

Mr B Attard. If you read carefully my contributution, and understand my subtle conotations, you will conclude that we are in full agreement.

Adrian P. Cassar

Aug 14th 2012, 12:30

What if someone decides you are an idiot.....and your vote gets taken away, Giovanni?

Charles Grixti

Aug 14th 2012, 13:52

The danger with that system is that only the Patrician class would get to vote (same as in ancient Greece) which would then mean that only the interests of that class would be represented. A similar system was in place in Malta during the 19th century, where only male landowners had a vote.

One way to weed out the undesireables would be to set a minimum I.Q standard to be eligible to vote. This would make it a level playing field and all classes of society would have to follow the same rule.

Alan Cordina

Aug 14th 2012, 12:02

that's why I posted earlier .... that although I DON'T AGREE with Franco Debono's attitude and methods ... AT ALL (!!!!!!!!!!!!) ....... but he has long been saying that certain (much) outdated and ridiculous laws should have been changed around 50 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

leo briffa

Aug 14th 2012, 12:10

You are right but the general public cannot understand, since they think the magistrate just dishes out what penalties he wants. I know its ridiculous but its the law. as someone said its worth it for 60 euros.....

Adrian P. Cassar

Aug 14th 2012, 12:33

Alan Cordina,
You can say it again and again and again.....but then a Franco Debono pops up.....and you obviously bring up all the excuses in the world, and condemn him.
Your attitude is the very reason things are never changed.

Franco Attard Trevisan

Aug 14th 2012, 12:37

that is why some people blamed the government.... I for one blame all parliament for our ridiculous laws!

Alan Cordina

Aug 14th 2012, 14:42

Adrian, YES, what Franco said about certain outdated laws and penalties more fitting to the 19th century I agree ...... but his method, NO (seta kien ta min kien gvern).

Bertrand Gove

Aug 14th 2012, 17:06

mela nista narma nidghi u nifqa l-ucuh issa. Imbaghad immur il-qorti liebes is-Sunday best, u nhallas €10 u spicca kollox.

Amante Reale

Aug 14th 2012, 11:25

And certainly more rewarding. In fact you can beat up 4 people for the price of one cigarette in a bar (240e)!

Mr John Agius

Aug 14th 2012, 11:49

Confirms what I wrote earlier Amante, smoking in a bar equates to punching 4 people in the eyes of the law. Very fair indeed.

Amante Reale

Aug 14th 2012, 11:26

lol I like how you people keep asking the "higher authorities" to do things, like they care.

Amante Reale

Aug 14th 2012, 11:27

They look like five people who would gang up on someone and beat him for no reason whatsoever...

oh wait.

Kenneth Cassar

Aug 14th 2012, 11:29

Actually, they don't.

Kenneth Cassar

Aug 14th 2012, 12:13

They look more like characters straight from a bad Sicilian comedy.

Ian James

Aug 14th 2012, 11:07

'Magistrate Antonio Micallef Trigona acquitted them of slightly injuring Mr Haber'... So despite video footage and more than ample stills photography of the incident, the magistrate was unable to see a common assault or to quantify a slight injury following being punched.

Franco Abela

Aug 14th 2012, 11:11

What trainining? I am not trained and I know that 60 euros is too little!

Mr Joe Frendo

Aug 14th 2012, 11:02

Well said! .. you hit it on the nail! .. if you look at the picture, the third one in the white and orange t-shirt has the answer for you!

John L Galea

Aug 14th 2012, 12:23

....and then same-sex marriages and IVF are the evil of society!!! pffffff

Etienne Galea

Aug 14th 2012, 10:54

The problem is not vigilance. The problem is the court. Which in turn is demoralising the police force and giving the free hand to the public. Courts strictly follow their own guide lines and forgetting about being practical. They bask in technicalities and lawyers trying to find loop holes. Even in this episode, with outright crime, seen by the very eyes of each individual, the court has failed to be practical and delivering a balanced judgment.

M. Degiorgio

Aug 14th 2012, 11:08

@ Mr. Galea....... you are perfectly right BUT without real evidence, anyone may get away with it! So in real terms, it's either the judgement in question or practically nothing.............. Now in this case the 5 accused in question got more that 60 Euro each, as their faces, accompanied with the story is being continuously published on facebook and other social networks.......... judgements cannot be changed.............. BUT awareness? Evidence on the media including Youtube? Check out all other events that made it to everyone's mouths...... Thanks to the media!

Charles Abela

Aug 14th 2012, 11:26

..Bingo! I am furious.

Tony Paris

Aug 14th 2012, 11:24

Because he is picking at his toe-nail! :)

K Cassar

Aug 14th 2012, 10:57

hear hear!!

James Dewar

Aug 14th 2012, 10:41

Kenneth, "NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF"?? OK, even the tiny minority have a voice and should be allowed to express their opinion irrespective of how misguided it may be! Re "hellish summer" feel free to spend your next one in the UK and you will learn what a "hellish summer" really is !!

noel cutajar

Aug 14th 2012, 12:13

next time yu're in UK ... try and visit the Queen in beach wear... we'll see how amused she will be... The Court building is an institution in itself and has to be respected as such. That's why Malta is such in a state of despair... people like these 'famous five' in the pic who think that by doing what they did they can outsmart anyone.....

Mr Andrew Camilleri

Aug 14th 2012, 11:14

The future is here and now. You can see it on the roads with the savage driving presently going on. Yesterday I saw this huge blue BMW being driven by a young man (he overtook me at high speed) drive from the outer lane, right across the inner lane (almost at right angles) and into a side road. Of course no indicator was on and I pity the poor guy driving on the inner lane who had to jump on the brake to avoid a serious crash.

James Dewar

Aug 14th 2012, 10:35

Euro 1000.00 ? Why do you dislike so many?!!!!

matthew tanti

Aug 14th 2012, 10:36

it seems that you do not know the basic rule that a minister cannot interfere in the decisions taken by the courts. it is called "separation of powers".

Mr Andrew Camilleri

Aug 14th 2012, 11:16

Mr Tanti: the Minister of Justice is responsible for amending such laws as under which these 'men' were accused and fined. If the law provides for a fine of €60 for this punch up, then yes the law should have been changed years ago. The magistrate can only apply the law as it is.

matthew tanti

Aug 14th 2012, 18:19

the law provides for imprisonment in these cases too. the magistrate chose a fine.

Mr Andrew Camilleri

Aug 14th 2012, 11:20

Mr Ellul, unfortunately when peopell here demonstrate against anything for which the government is responsible, they are immediately labelled as 'labourites'. The party in government cannot take objective criticism. To give you one example, when FAA started orgainsing demonstartions against the rape of our environment by the contractors, GonziPN started a subtle campaign that the leader of FAA was a labourite. They never invited her on NET TV as they were too scared to hear what she had to say.

Mario Ellul

Aug 14th 2012, 13:08

I understand perfectly your point Mr Camilleri but we cannot keep going on like this. Someone has to stand up and fight for our well deserved rights and it has to start from the opposition party. Anarchy is at its best because no one is doing anything about these things except, may I say, people like Franco Debono who unfortunately has been stamped with many adjactives but which in reality has been right all along. He and people like JPO who speak their believes have to have security 24/7. This is how we ended up in this country. And than they mention the 80's!! I was a true nationalist who suffered in the 80's but today I am hurt and disgusted at the state the party and the country is in.

Philip Mizzi

Aug 14th 2012, 10:44

I signed this petition a few days ago.

I appeal to all persons following this thread, DO NOT JUST MOAN do something about it, sign the petition! So called boathouses start with a few camps, then they end up with water, electricity and EVEN STREET NAMES!! These thugs should not be allowed to do what the hell they want!

Kemm hu bravu John Bundy, pajjiz tal-mickey mouse.

Moira Heath

Aug 14th 2012, 11:15

May I also jump on the bandwagon and promote a second petition: this time to remove all unrented sunbeds and umbrellas from our beaches, so that maybe we can have some space to put our stuff and allow the kids to play close to the water without paying through our noses?

http://www.change.org/petitions/ministry-of-tourism-remove-the-unrented-deck-chairs-at-ghadira-bay-blue-lagoon-armier

Maltese thugs need to go. If it means EUR60 a pop, then so be it. Put them in line. I'll go to the ATM withdraw some money. These 5 need to be at the front of the line.

Mr Luke Vella

Aug 14th 2012, 11:43

And you think that by signing your petition will stop people behaving like cowboys!!! By the way these people were camping and they didnt have a boat house!!!

Ray Borg

Aug 14th 2012, 20:10

Stand up and be counted.
Sign the petition NOW, stop what you are doing and sign now!
Signing is for you and all those you love and respect.
By signing you are saying to the powers to be, I Have had enough!

We ARE NO BULLIES. We are just asking for what is right, and only those poeple that we have trusted with our vote has the power to amend and if neccesary safeguard our right to live in piece and harmony with one another. Say NO MORE to the few untoucheables in Malta

Go and vote now, it will take you 2 minutes only

adrian micallef

Aug 14th 2012, 10:23

I'd say the courts, since these 5 are only doing what they know how to do. For them it must be a normal day in their life, so i'm sure they are not feeling the shame.

James Dewar

Aug 14th 2012, 10:24

Victor, I asked the same question yesterday but so far I don't think the answer has been forthcoming! My own guess would be "too many". I agree re their demeanour, arrogant and carefree, hardly showing either embarassment or remorse following their shameful conduct. One of the worst adverts for Maltese tourism, a group of savages picking on a single defenceless individual. No doubt the incident would be witnesseed by many tourists and who would blame them for thinking that this represented routine and acceptable Maltese behaviour. It would appear from the sentencing that the Court thought it was no worse than that!

M Farrugia

Aug 14th 2012, 11:03

Dawn huma l-afarijiet li Franoc Debono and co. ghanhom jiggieldu sabiex jigu irangati fil-qrati u mhux afarijiet ohra. awn affarijiet tal-misthija ghal pajjizna.

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