Franco Debono to protest to PN Executive over Claudio Grech's candidacy
Franco Debono, who is contesting the PN Executive's decision to ban him from seeking re-election under the PN ticket, intends to go before the Executive to protest discrimination over the Executive's approval of the candidature of Claudio Grech, a former assistant of minister Austin Gatt.
"The Executive has set certain standards and I expect equal treatment. Claudio Grech was found guilty by a court in 1996 of having forged a document. That is a criminal offence under the law on Crimes affecting Public Trust. His action was certainly far more serious than ignoring the party whip for good reason," the Nationalist MP told timesofmalta.com.
"I am not seeking revocation of Mr Grech's candidacy, but equal treatment."
Earlier, writing in his blog, Dr Debono noted that Mr Grech had been convicted of counterfeiting a police ID card, with the court having said that he had done so to impress and show off.
Mr Grech was 20 and a university student at the time. In its sentence, the court found that the actions of the accused were motivated by a lack of responsibility and a lack of appreciation of the seriousness of his actions.
This, Dr Debono said, was narcissism, egoism and childish behaviour at its best – something which he had been accused of. Yet Mr Grech had within a few years found himself in minister Austin Gatt's private secretariat and had now been approved as a PN candidate. And now Dr Gatt had been among those who insisted most on his own delisting, Dr Debono said.
"I am sure that with every day that passes you understand even more why I will not support the government as long as Austin Gatt is minister," Dr Debono wrote.
He said he would also continue to contest the Executive's decision to ban him on the basis that he was not given a fair hearing.
CLAUDIO GRECH REACTION
Meanwhile, Mr Grech in a press statement said he was facing a series of personal attacks aimed at tarnishing his reputation.
He said that Dr Debono was recycling something which took place 17 years ago, which the Labour Party had frequently used to attack him, and something which was not hidden. What had taken place demonstrated little else than his youthful zeal to join the police force. It was relevant to note that the Court had decided that the case had only merited a conditional discharge, without even the imposition of a fine.
Mr Grech, who also served as chairman of MITA, the government's IT agency, said he was proud to have served in several roles, which have led to such successes.
If Dr Debono wanted to equate his case with his own position, that was up to him, but Mr Grech said, he did not wish to discuss the Executive's decision against Dr Debono.
DEBONO REACTS
In another reaction, Dr Debono said that Mr Grech had actually already reacted to his case, telling MaltaToday on July 5 that:
'Speaking on the recent events in parliament that saw PN MPs Franco Debono, Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando and Jesmond Mugliett voting against the government, Grech said the situation was 'surreal'.
"These individuals were elected on a PN ticket and now the electorate is witnessing them going against what they voted for," he said, adding that he fully agreed with the executive council's decision to condemn their actions.'
(See comments below)
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Dr Alex Bugeja
Aug 10th 2012, 15:42
Focusing on an isolated incident 17 years ago in a man's past and ignoring all his achievements in the interim does not seem either fair or wise to me.
Paul Borg
Aug 10th 2012, 08:56
Why does Franco Debono keep wasting precious time in stupid mud-slinging? He should be following closely Mr Claudio Grech, but not trying to find stupid irrelevant stories and make up storms in teacups. He should catch up on Mr Grech's successes which revolutionised the state of the ICT sector in Malta, increased digital literacy to high levels, diffused broadband Internet in over 90% of Maltese homes, provided multiple development opportunities for ICT lifelong learning, drove Malta up to the highest ranks in European eGovernment, signed alliances with top notch companies such as Microsoft, Cisco...the list of insipirational milestones is endless...Focus Dr Debono, focus!
george grech
Aug 9th 2012, 20:15
@ Mario Scicluna
Illum Alla jbierek, kulhadd jesprimu ruhu kif joghgob lilu, fejn iried u meta jried, minghajr biza ta xejn.
Laburisti jimbumbardjaw il kolonni TAT TIMES liberalment meta qabel marru u harquha....!!!!!
Min ghidt li huma il vendikattivi u misshom jisthu ??????
Ma tinbidlux........u ghalhekk ha tergghu titilfu....sorry for that !!
brian spiteri
Aug 9th 2012, 20:12
@ Pn Bloggers
It seems that you cannot understand that politicians get elected by us common folks and they should be loyal to first and foremost and not to the party, but it seems that you never learn, I wonder why the gonzipn party is in shambles!!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 10th 2012, 21:21
How do you propose that Dr Franco Debono, could ascertain that he is being loyal to the common folks who voted for him because his name appeared on their party's list of canidates but thereafter goes his own separate way and no longer obeys the party whip?
Doreen Attard
Aug 9th 2012, 16:20
My goodness intom in-nationalists thawwduni kultant. Franco and Claudio two very bright and young budding politicians - and attractive may I add - going so violently at each others throat. And what's more in public. This is not like the old nationalists were. It is very true that the nationalists have changed. In the old times they used to kill each other (like Eddie did to Giorgio) in closed quarters but now everybody fighting out in the open. Come Claudio it's your turn now, come on, do him an austin gatt move, beneath the belt if possible!!!!!!!!!!!
Mario Scicluna
Aug 9th 2012, 14:19
Somehow, I am not that surprised by the usual aggressive reaction towards Hon. Franco Debono's comments, whenever the gentleman speaks his mind out so loud. By now, Onor. FD must have realised how it is quite typical of the PN , first they use you and take advantage of you, and, refusing to become YES man anymore, or one of the infamous 'clique', they discard you just like a lemon. It is more than apparent that Gonzi and his merry men simply want to shut you up. For good. So much for the 'Angli tal-Paci' that they profess so much in becoming!
The PN apologists seem to forget a crucial issue when reclaiming and repeating that part of the past that suites them. It is somehow 'strange', but must never forget that bombs behing govt. officials' doorsteps stopped after 1987, it it somehow strange that other prominet violence stopped as well! I wonder who instigated that unrest at that time. I wonder who really profited from those horrific 'kumbinazjonijiet'? I aslso ask, which naturally the usual PN apologists fail to answer, why certain prominent 'individuals' were promoted after EFA's PN came to power. Lest we forget those of the 'Gakketta Blu'. Lest we forget il 'hnizrijiet tal-gass tad-dmugh' by the notorious and infamous SAG in Cottonera and other places. EFA, PN's leader since 1977 , spoke of 'Insiru Lkoll Ahwa Maltin' u 'Djalogu'. Nice sweet words, but at the same time spoke of 'Dizubbiddjenza Civili' and other means to instigate, bil-Malti ixewwex minn taht'. Lest we forget 'it-Transfers Vendikattivi' li ilhom isiru 25 sena! That is indeed shameful!
Above all, this divine right for GonziPN to govern shall not, must not prevail. Jekk hawn min jiehu ghalih ghax jigi mghajjar li tilef il-kredenzjali demokratici tieghu, dawn it-talin huma fid-dover li ma jibqawx imkahhlin mas-siggu tal-poter akkost ta' kollox u jhosshu il-polz tal-poplu. Mhux billi imorru 30/40/50 sena ilu. Mbilli nsemma d-Dnub il-Mejjet impost fuq l-MLP fis-snin 60, mbilli nsemmu id-Dfin fil-Mizbla u bosta hnizrijiet ohra m'ahniex se nigu pari. Il-poplu issa qed jghix, u jishaq Socjeta Gusta u hanina u li jiehu dak li hu tieghu bi dritt! Nhux bhala cittadin tat-tielet klassi, imma bhala cittadin li jixraqlu ahjar, li jinghata xoghol xieraq, mhux imexxi minn Gvern mimli bazuzli li sawwtuh bla hniena u minflok jigi mghajjar li wiccu tost ghax inghata Eu1.16, mentri huma hadu Eu500 fil-gimgha!
Il-Perit Duminku Mintoff, l-aktar bniedem li hadem u stinka bis-serjeta ghall-Malta Hielsa, u jibqa, jghidu x'jghidu min tant ghandu hdera u velenu lejh, u ghajjruh tant 'Sallbu Sallbu!' waqt il-meetings tal-Partit Nazzjonalista kien qal, 'Min ma jwettaqx ddak li jwieghed, mill-poplu jkun qed jitbieghed!'
It hurts the PN as well to be reminded of these cruel events, so it is better to be real and not reveal the skeletons in each other's closet.
Gianninu Saliba
Aug 9th 2012, 21:02
I was there Mr. Scicluna and very proud to have shouted "Salbu, salbu" because the expression was only metaphorical. Our beloved Eddie was exposing Mintoff's failures in a way that Duminku, had he been present, would have acted like an ostrich. He would have buried his head in shame (not like the ostrich, in fear). Yes, Dr. Fenech Adamin made mincemeat out of is-salvatur's failures and exposed Dom's undemocratic credentials. That speech was one of Dr. Fenech Adami's greatest. Yes, Eddie did crucify Mintoff on that day. Thanks to that speech, the truth about Mintoff came out and thanks to that speech Mintoff will go down in history as the one who believed that the constitution is a piece of paper that he can tear up. He will go down in history as the man who terrorized a nation. He will go down in history as the man who was prepared to go against the wish of 51% of those who cast their vote at a General Election. He will go down in history for dismissing thousands of employees who were prepared to protest about the 1981 abuse. And yet, Joseph glorifies this dictator.
Mario Scicluna
Aug 10th 2012, 10:03
@Gianninu Saliba
Yesterday, 21:02
Regretfully, it is because there are individuals like yourself that the Maltese nation is so polarised, be it band clubs, village feasts, sports and notably politics. The vile hatred spread from the likes of you and your ilk further reaffirms that beneath the cheap reconciliatory speeches and false promises by your 'Partit Nazzjonalista', there lies your true colours which failed miserably to unite our nation. Which it needed, and still does. But instead, by your so-called contribution in this blog, you spread further the divide of Pink Floyd's famous Us and Them. Your spite is shameful towards the one who eradicated poverty, but introduced health care, the welfare state, education, emancipation of women with voting, housing and many other opportunities. And yet, you comment in disgust. EFA left his governance in shambles, tal-hofra hrafa and so many other innacuracies during his time in office. Meeting with well known criminals fis-satra tal-llejl under a bridge and the systematic curruption and barunijiet really elevated his political status indeed. Querios remember? Ciro del Negro? Fathi Shqaqi?
Your mediocre and shallow attack on Dom Mintoff will forever fail to tarnish Malta's greatest noble politician that earned the respect from opposing parties, namely 'il-mibkijin Guido Demarco u George Borg Olivier', the British Colonial Rule and abpove all from the true Maltese alike, not the ones of Ettore Terinu jew ohrajn mixtrija u mimlijin velenu. Bil Malti, lanqas toqghod hdejn s&*%# int, whomever you are!
Dom Mintoff lead us to Malta Hielsa, something which with your intellect and blinding blinkers will never understand the true meaning.
j brincat
Aug 9th 2012, 13:02
@joseph saliba
".. u dak jigri biss meta jkun hemm il-PL fil-gvern. Mhux hekk jb?"
EXACTLY - like what happened from 1996 to 1998 when Dr Sant was in government!
AND remember that in 2008 GonziPN promised us that after the election meritocracy was supposed to be the order of the day.
Now look around and see how much this promise came true - executive jobs and directorships in government entities given to the blue eyed boys and girls!
(jb)
Mr J Xerri
Aug 9th 2012, 13:00
Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 21:01
Franco Debono to protest to PN Executive over Claudio Grech's candidacy
these are some of the comments made below about Franco Debono
‘int li tant sirt tobghod lill-partit nazzjonalista tant li qed taghmillu hsara kontinwa’
‘int ma haqqekx li tkun parti mil partit nazzjonalista.’
‘dejjaq lill kulhadd franco issa.’
T‘he's made himself the laughing stock of the entire nation with his childish immaturity’
‘PLEASE just call it aday and leave.’
‘How can you even expect to have equal treatment within a party you've been trying to redicule for months ???? ‘
And yet all was done to appease Franco Debono in order to get his vote when needed..
Saviour Fenech
Aug 9th 2012, 12:51
I have known Claudio for years now. He's a hardworker and one must say a ture gentleman. No wonder that Claudio will be under attack from Labour Party gurus for his involvement with the Partit Nazjonalista. The PL strategy is proving that 'Min mhux maghna, kontra taghna' so it tries to find some sort of nauthiness (even if childish) from the past and start a personal crusade on the individual.
Get on with it, Claudio, 'iz-zejt jitla f'wicc l-ilma' and 'is-sewwa jirbah zgur' not withstanding the mud which the Labour Party throws against individual. It's the same strategy used against other persons in the past.
Lino Cuomo
Aug 9th 2012, 12:27
GIVE THIS LITTLE ISLAND A BREAK DR. DEBONO
John Azzopoardi
Aug 9th 2012, 12:11
This man needs to be kicked out of the PN. What is the pn afraid of.
Eddy Privitera
Aug 9th 2012, 16:36
Afraid of his vote, can't you realize it ?
Mario Scicluna
Aug 9th 2012, 11:55
Somehow, I am not that surprised by the usual aggressive reaction towards Hon. Franco Debono's comments, whenever the gentleman speaks his mind out so loud. By now, Onor. FD must have realised how it is quite typical of the PN , first they use you and take advantage of you, and, refusing to become YES man anymore, or one of the infamous 'clique', they discard you just like a lemon. It is more than apparent that Gonzi and his merry men simply want to shut you up. For good. So much for the 'Angli tal-Paci' that they profess so much in becoming!
The PN apologists seem to forget a crucial issue when reclaiming and repeating that part of the past that suites them. It is somehow 'strange', but must never forget that bombs behing govt. officials' doorsteps stopped after 1987, it it somehow strange that other prominet violence stopped as well! I wonder who instigated that unrest at that time. I wonder who really profited from those horrific 'kumbinazjonijiet'? I aslso ask, which naturally the usual PN apologists fail to answer, why certain prominent 'individuals' were promoted after EFA's PN came to power. Lest we forget those of the 'Gakketta Blu'. Lest we forget il 'hnizrijiet tal-gass tad-dmugh' by the notorious and infamous SAG in Cottonera and other places. EFA, PN's leader since 1977 , spoke of 'Insiru Lkoll Ahwa Maltin' u 'Djalogu'. Nice sweet words, but at the same time spoke of 'Dizubbiddjenza Civili' and other means to instigate, bil-Malti ixewwex minn taht'. Lest we forget 'it-Transfers Vendikattivi' li ilhom isiru 25 sena! That is indeed shameful!
Above all, this divine right for GonziPN to govern shall not, must not prevail. Jekk hawn min jiehu ghalih ghax jigi mghajjar li tilef il-kredenzjali demokratici tieghu, dawn it-talin huma fid-dover li ma jibqawx imkahhlin mas-siggu tal-poter akkost ta' kollox u jhosshu il-polz tal-poplu. Mhux imbilli imorru 30/40/50 sena ilu. Mbilli nsemmu d-Dnub il-Mejjet impost fuq l-MLP fis-snin 60, mbilli nsemmu id-Dfin fil-Mizbla u bosta hnizrijiet ohra m'ahniex se nigu pari. Il-poplu issa qed jghix, u jishaq Socjeta Gusta u hanina u li jiehu dak li hu tieghu bi dritt! Nhux bhala cittadin tat-tielet klassi, imma bhala cittadin li jixraqlu ahjar, li jinghata xoghol xieraq, mhux imexxi minn Gvern mimli bazuzli li sawwtuh bla hniena u minflok jigi mghajjar li wiccu tost ghax inghata Eu1.16, mentri huma hadu Eu500 fil-gimgha!
Il-Perit Duminku Mintoff, l-aktar bniedem li hadem u stinka bis-serjeta ghall-Malta Hielsa, u jibqa, jghidu x'jghidu min tant ghandu hdura spjetata u velenu lejh, u ghajjruh tant 'Sallbu Sallbu!' waqt il-meetings tal-Partit Nazzjonalista, kien qal 'Min ma jwettaqx dak li jwieghed, mill-poplu jkun qed jitbieghed!'
It hurts the PN as well to be reminded of these cruel events and his violent past as well, so it is better to be real and not reveal the skeletons in each other's closet.
Tonio Zampa
Aug 9th 2012, 11:43
austin gatt track record as a pn minister for the malta government. closure of malta tarzna that was taking a lot of money from the malta budget, but still managed to compensate or re employ all the workers in other sectors. the revival of the gozo channel by constructing brand new boats with better conditions and also viable. creation of malta freeport which employs thousands of people successfully. the mastermind behind all the it sectors in malta and gozo with thousands of new jobs, which the labour described then described the computer as a threat to the jobs of maltese citizens. arriva which nowadays runs very smoothly and is employing thousands of people in a new and clean environment, of course it did not have a great start thanks to those drivers who tried to make the system fail by applying as a bus driver but then opted not to turn up for work. a year passed since an all of us except for you franco debono we thank austin gatt for this very best thing he ever done. these are a few things among others that this great person has done for his country and i am proud to be one of his followers by far. now mr. debono please post your cv throughout your career as nationalist mp please. i am sure that the pn would have gave you your chance also as a minister when the time was right, but you opted to run on four legs instead of two. proud to be a pn supporter.
Alexia Callus
Aug 9th 2012, 11:41
On your website, you ''d claimed “I am a very hard worker and my loyalty to the party is not only unconditional, but also unconditioned.” Your actions prove you've got a short memory.
Everyone knows loyalty, teamwork, humbleness, fair play…aren’t your forte. So this protest is somewhat predictable, but wont strengthen your case to the Executive, rather proves you dont have any valid arguments.
Next time compare yourself to someone of your 'stoffa': being popular for rebellion against PN is one thing; being synonymous with developing Malta into an information society like Grech is a different story.
Emanuel. Vella.
Aug 9th 2012, 11:24
grazzi DR.FRANCO DEBONO,
tal-informazzjoni li qed tghaddi lil poplu malti u ghawdxi,
minn cittadin MALTI,u prosit tax-xoghol li qed tghamel ghal
pajjizzna,mill gdid grazzi minn qalb maltija,DR.FRANCO DEBONO.
manuel lia
Aug 9th 2012, 11:19
ghall informazzjoni tieghek sur franco....jien ma attakajtx lill min semmejt int.....u lanqas lilek.....imma il verita offende.....int ha tibqa mnizzel flistorja tal partit nazzjonalista bhala liktar deputat li ghamel hsara lill partit....and thats a fact......u dan wara biss 48 xahar bhala deputat fil parlament...48 xahar ta......ma wegibtnix.......ghall hames darba nerga nisfidak.......OHROG INDIPENDENTI..........
Mario Scicluna
Aug 9th 2012, 11:12
Somehow, I am not that surprised by the usual aggressive reaction towards Hon. Franco Debono's comments, whenever the gentleman speaks his mind out so loud. By now, Onor. FD must have realised how it is quite typical of the PN , first they use you and take advantage of you, and, refusing to become YES man anymore, or one of the infamous 'clique', they discard you just like a lemon. It is more than apparent that Gonzi and his merry men , notorious acolytes simply want to shut you up. For good. So much for the 'Angli tal-Paci' that they profess so much in becoming!
The PN apologists seem to forget a crucial issue when reclaiming and repeating that part of the past that suites them. It is somehow 'strange', but must never forget that bombs behing govt. officials' doorsteps stopped after 1987, it it somehow strange that other prominet violence stopped as well! I wonder who instigated that unrest at that time. I wonder who really profited from those horrific 'kumbinazjonijiet'? I aslso ask, which naturally the usual PN apologists fail to answer, why certain prominent 'individuals' were promoted after EFA's PN came to power. Lest we forget those of the 'Gakketta Blu'. Lest we forget il 'hnizrijiet tal-gass tad-dmugh' by the notorious and infamous SAG in Cottonera and other places. EFA, PN's leader since 1977 , spoke of 'Insiru Lkoll Ahwa Maltin' u 'Djalogu'. Nice sweet words, but at the same time spoke of 'Dizubbiddjenza Civili' and other means to instigate, bil-Malti ixewwex minn taht'. Lest we forget 'it-Transfers Vendikattivi' li ilhom isiru 25 sena! That is indeed shameful!
Above all, this divine right for GonziPN to govern shall not, must not prevail. Jekk hawn min jiehu ghalih ghax jigi mghajjar li tilef il-kredenzjali demokratici tieghu, dawn it-talin huma fid-dover li ma jibqawx imkahhlin mas-siggu tal-poter akkost ta' kollox u jhosshu il-polz tal-poplu. Mhux billi imorru 30/40/50 sena ilu. Mbilli nsemma d-Dnub il-Mejjet impost fuq l-MLP fis-snin 60, mbilli nsemmu id-Dfin fil-Mizbla u bosta hnizrijiet ohra m'ahniex se nigu pari. Il-poplu issa qed jghix, u jishaq Socjeta Gusta u hanina u li jiehu dak li hu tieghu bi dritt! Nhux bhala cittadin tat-tielet klassi, imma bhala cittadin li jixraqlu ahjar, li jinghata xoghol xieraq, mhux imexxi minn Gvern mimli bazuzli li sawwtuh bla hniena u minflok jigi mghajjar li wiccu tost ghax inghata Eu1.16, mentri huma hadu Eu500 fil-gimgha!
Il-Perit Duminku Mintoff, l-aktar bniedem li hadem u stinka bis-serjeta ghall-Malta Hielsa, u jibqa, jghidu x'jghidu min tant ghandu hdera u velenu lejh, u ghajjruh tant 'Sallbu Sallbu!' waqt il-meetings tal-Partit Nazzjonalista kien qal, 'Min ma jwettaqx ddak li jwieghed, mill-poplu jkun qed jitbieghed!'
It hurts the PN as well to be reminded of these cruel events, so it is better to be real and not reveal the skeletons in each other's closet.
C Galea
Aug 9th 2012, 11:01
Having destroyed all chances of contesting an election with any party in their right mind, and yet not accepting it, makes Dr. Debono resort to other methods of seeking attention.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 11:08
@ C galea :
even if that were the case, which isn't, one has every right to seek attention, unless he resorts to a criminal offence as someone else has done by producing a counterfeit ID card to impress his friends
that attention seeking is criminal and has been so declared by a court.
you speak about me seeking attention!!!!???
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 10th 2012, 08:28
@ Franco Debono, yesterday at 11:08.
Boasting verbally in the privacy of small circle of friends is not "attention seeking".
Drawing attention to one's own claimed superiority in parliament and in the media IS "attention seeking" to the point of nauseating the audience.
manuel lia
Aug 9th 2012, 10:54
imissek tisthi franco......ma tiflahx taghmel hsara iktar.....irrangajtom lill dawk in nazzjonalisti li ivvotawlek e.....nerga nisfidak ghat tielet darba.....OHROG INDIPENDENTI...imbaghad naraw xjigri.....u ha nghidlek haga ohra....dawk li joqodu jiktbulek u jaghtuk il prosit huma nies li ghandom ghatx kbir biex ikun hemm il labour fil gvern....ma kull nazzjonalist li titkellem jghidlek.....nishet is siegha u il mument li ivvotajtlu......prosit ghalik dottor franco....
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 11:01
your baseless insults have damaged the PN which, i remind you has ended up as a coalition government. It's ok to attack me, john dalli, jpo, mugliette and some others, but then others can do what they like, they are not even to be criticised.
manuel lia stop damaging the PN
Noel Damato
Aug 9th 2012, 10:41
The new GonziPN system is either with the clique or you will be out of the circle. Claudio is inside the circle . Unfortunately Franco did not stick to his principles were he was on the right track but kept on going in and out of his promises an believes. This made the clique stronger and the citizen weaker. If you are offering help Mr Debono to your fellow citizens that you represent try to be determined and keep your word of what you declared before. Don't be one of those who are destroying our country by the minute but be the one who stood up for the good of your country.
Mark Spiteri
Aug 9th 2012, 11:00
Mr Damato are you totally convinced that within JosephLP there isn't a clique or an inner circle of friends already??
Philip Bonello
Aug 9th 2012, 11:26
The problem with PL is not whether there is a clique but whether Joseph Muscat is in the clique or whether the clique orders him about! (Vide Jason Micallef's refusal to resign)
Eddy Privitera
Aug 9th 2012, 12:33
Mark Spiteri and Philip Bonello: It is manifestly obvious that you are so eager to see happening in the PL what has and is till happening in GonziPN ! Alas, Dr. Joseph Muscat is not Lawrence Gonzi. His style of leadership succeeds in uniting, while Gonzi's style devides and discriminates
Jean Pierre Abdilla
Aug 9th 2012, 10:38
Cluadio surely has a track record that speaks for itself, particularly in the IT sector. One should be thankful that under the helm of the Nationalist party, particulary under the hands of Minister Gatt, the IT sector flourished both in the public and private sector. Both the Nationalist party and the country need these type of people.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 10:44
Police (Insp Michael Cassar) vs Claudio Grech :
Quote :
'l-agir tal-imputat kien dettat minn nuqqas ta' ghaqal u nuqqas ta' apprezzament dwar il-gravita' tal- azzjoni tieghu u li l-agir tieghu kien dettat minn xewqa li jimpressjona lil shabu'
JOSEPH MUSCAT
Aug 9th 2012, 10:53
Jean Pear Abdilla,you certainly do!!! Mr Abdilla,CLUADIO GRECH was found guilty of forging an I.D. card document,the rest we know about the arrogance of Austin Gatt,What a BAD track record Mr ,Abdilla.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 12:59
@ Franco Debono, today at 10:44
Your quotation from the sentence of the court is a list of attenuating and mitigating circumstances that dimished the gravity of the offence because of the absence of criminal intent:
nuqqas ta' ghaqal = youthful lack of judgment
nuqqas ta' apprezzament dwar ul-gravita' tal-azzjoni = failure to appreciate the gravity of his act.
"xewqa li jimpressjona lill shabu = a desire to impress friends (as distinct from anti-social activity)
Ernest Mercieca
Aug 9th 2012, 10:27
"This is why my choice is the PN and this is why I am proud to be part of Dr Gonzi’s team – even if I had to be the last man standing by his side."
These are the words that Claudio Grech ended with, in his last article. Claudio is guarantee of loyalty to the PN and the people. A person who should serve as an image to all others, who are or in the near future will be PN candidates. Loyalty is one of the most important aspects when putting yourself into such responsibility.
You Franco Debono are person who wants recognition, and not loyalty to the party. For the past few months you wanted fame through insulting and bringing up problems, but a loyal person achieves fame through his own success.
Enough said, Claudio Grech approval to be a candidate, is something which provides a smile on someone's face, as someone who is in for the good of the country and not for the pleasure of himself being on the news.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 10:39
@ ernest mercieca :
i never tried to impress others by stooping so low as to commit a criminal offence unscrupulously making use of knowledge to which I had access due to working with the government.
well if you feel protected by someone, whatever you do, why are you surprised you will stand by that man till then end!
hokkli dahri ha nhokklok dahrek it's called. i have campaigned for meritocracy meaning career open to talent not based on whom you canvass
Philip Bonello
Aug 9th 2012, 11:30
What lack of foresight. If a declared promise of loyalty is the major criterion for a PN candidate then no wonder the party is going to the dogs. Even if it were true, are we really after a party of yes men?
Philip Bonello
Aug 9th 2012, 11:32
If my representative in parliament promises total loyalty to the party I will not vote for him/her again. I want my representative to represent me and the other voters and to be loyal to us, always.
brian spiteri
Aug 9th 2012, 20:03
@ Franco and philip
Very well said!!!
Carmel Grima
Aug 9th 2012, 10:27
Franco Debono flew in full of promise. He made us believe that the PN warranted constructive criticism, and that in itself cannot be condemned.
However Franco has turned out to be a bigot emptying himself of any self respect through resentment of his colleagues successes.
Sorry Franco but you are one hell of a flop.
Ing Carmel Grima
Mark Spiteri
Aug 9th 2012, 10:06
Franco how can you honestly believe that the PN electorate will trust you again with their vote. You have made tremendous damage to our dear Prime Minister and the Party...If the PN goes back on its word and approves you as a candidate I too will not vote. I'm not the same Mark Spiteri commenting further down this thread.
Clint Camilleri
Aug 9th 2012, 09:57
Unlike others, Claudio will NOT flirt with Labour and surely NEVER will !!
Eddy Privitera
Aug 9th 2012, 16:44
Who would want Claudio Grech ? Issa tara kemm se jgib voti !!!
Orlando Ellul Micallef
Aug 9th 2012, 09:54
Sour Grapes Franco - First you go against the party line and then you want to contest again with the same party you pledged not to support – U N B E L I E V A B L E ! !
While others were doing their utmost to achieve the best results, you were patting yourself on the back, trying to persuade yourself that you are the best in everything and above everyone.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 10:03
@ orlando ellul micallef :
patting myself on the back ? you are that guy who posted on facebook a photo of yourself posinbg on a podium in an empty room no? narcissim!?
a criminal offence carrying up to three years imprisonment striking at public trust is much more serious than disobeying the whip especially for just cause for example because Claudio Grech's boss and colleague messed up Arriva.
patting myself on the back? everything i did was real, everything i showed was real unlike Claudio Grech's fake police ID card
are you sending this comment from your podium in the empty room mr orland?
James Buhagiar
Aug 9th 2012, 12:22
Seems like the biggest mistake Claudio Grech has ever done in his professional and personal life was to show off with a girl almost 20 years ago... for which the court did not even fine him! This guy has my vote!
John Tabone
Aug 9th 2012, 09:44
Franco dearest...you made your point...you want to be more equal than others...you made yourself lots of harm by uttering too many uncalled for declarations at your fellow peers...."A word unspoken you are it's master...once utter you are it's slave"
G. Bugeja
Aug 9th 2012, 09:42
L-istess japplika ghal PL. Uhud minn dawk li gew approvati f'dawn l-ahhar jiem ma kellhomx ikunu approvati. . Hemm min ma jissthoqqlux ikun kandidat mal-PL ghar-ragunijiet li l-istess PL jaf sewwa. Jiena konvint li, li kieku ghad hemmil-makkinarju tal-Bord tal-Vigillanza fi hdan il-PL, kienu hemm min ma kienx ikun approvat. Dan ukoll kien zball iehor min-naha tal-PL li qed isejjah lilu nnifsu progressiv u moderat. Progressiv u moderat meta jkollok makkinarju serju bhal ma kien il-Bord tal-Vigilanza u tnehhih? It-tajba hi, li ghal xi raguni, illum fil-PL hemm min hadem kemm felah biex dan il-Bord jitwaqqaf u llum qed jagixxi bil-klontra. Dan ghaliex skont xi hadd fil-PL il-Bord tal-Vigilanza kien ghamel zmienu. Imma allura ma kienx hemm makkinarju iehor modern x'jidhol minn floku? Ara l-PN m'ghandux u qatt ma kellu Bord simili. Li kieku dawn ghandhom xi haga simili mhux ghaddejjin mill-inkwiet li ghandhom illum. Il-PL ghamel zball u jekk mhux se jirmedja ghalih, biex ikun hemm skrutinar sewwa u rigoruz tal-kandidati approvati , se jiddispjacih' u se jiddispjacih bil-kbir. Il-PL specjalment xi whud mill-ufficjali tieghu jafu sewwa x'qed nghid. . Tiskartawx lill-Kumitati Lokali tal-istess PL.Dawn ikollhom il-polz tac-coittadini, hafna drtabi fermaktar mill-ufficjali tal-PL. Il-PL m'ghandux jimxi fuq il-policy ta 'the more the merrier" imma fuq il-principji mibnija fuq l-integrita, l-onesta is-sincerita u fuq kollox l-imhabba tieghu lejn il-PL. Min kien f'pozizzjoni li jghin lill-PL u dan m'ghamlux, ghal ragunijiet tieghu, ma juistax jigi 'l quddiem illum u jipprfezenta ruhu bhala kandidat mal-PL. Lanqas kieku kien xi politiku mustaccun, ahseb u ara kif ighid l-Ingliz 'an empty vessel'. Il-boghod minn dan ikun zball kbir. Iz-zmien jaghtini ragun.
Mark Spiteri
Aug 9th 2012, 09:30
Franco jrid johrog ghall-elezjoni wahdu qisu, ma kullhadd qed jaqbad:-
Mal-prim ministru, Karm Mifsud Bonnici, Austion Gatt, Tonio Fenech u issa anki ma kandidat prospettiv u energetiku bhal Claudio Grech. Jien nixtieq nissugerixxi lill-partit Nazzjonalista biex jibqa mad-decizjoni li ha u ma jhallix lil Franco johrog. jekk johrog jien ma nivvotax.
Claudio ibqa sejjer kif int sejjer u thallix lil min jipprova jintimidak, il-partit u l-pajjiz persuni bhalek ghandhom bzonn.
Nawguralek Claudio!
Mr Joe Micallef
Aug 9th 2012, 09:24
Debono the PN (or any other party) will hopefully never repeat the utterly stupid decision to let untrustworthy people like you ride roughshod on their ticket.
If you want prevalence of your own agenda (which I find carries loads of conflicting interests) form your own party. Going by what you believe are your incredible achievements you should not have a problem getting at least a seat in the institution.
I hope the PN dismisses your request in a jiffy qualifying it as yet another one in the string of childish behaviours.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 09:56
@ mr joe micallef
untrustworthy : a quality which the court used in Claudio Gech's regard in its judgment or a close equivalent 'nuqqas ta ghaqal'
conflicting interests : like when Claudi Grech wears a hundred hats
childish behaviour : in the judgment the court used the word 'puerile' meaning childish to describe Claudio grech's attitude
Taghkom taghtuhx lil haddiehor PLEEEAASE
Mr Joe Micallef
Aug 9th 2012, 10:52
@ Franco (hope you don't mind the first person)
The difference is that Claudio Grech has given ample demonstration that he has rid himself form youth shenanigans whilst you have not. Freud had a term for that stage but you may take his scientific term as an offence so I won't refer.
For your sake I hope you get over that phase too. Undoubtedly you have the brains to deliver but brains alone are useless if they are not supplemented by the proper attitude.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 11:47
@ mr joe micallef :
ability without opportunity is wasted talent.
if soemone is not guven opportunities he cannot demonstare or put his abilities to fruition.
i can assure you I read freud and have all of his writings 24 volumes). he is a bit outdated if i might suggest.
that stage you are referring to still applies to an adult of twenty years who is no child.
Joseph Portelli
Aug 9th 2012, 09:22
@ franco debono
u int li tant sirt tobghod lill-partit nazzjonalista tant li qed taghmillu hsara kontinwa, tippretendi li l-ezekuttiv tal-partit ser ihallik tkun kandidat tieghu fl-elezzjoni? hallina franco - ftit common sense pls! bil-kummenti kontinwi tieghek ikollok success jekk tohrog mal-MLP ghax hadd mill-kandidati tal-MLP mhu qed jaghmel hsara lill-Partit Nazzjonalista daqshekk!
j brincat
Aug 9th 2012, 08:57
I have one genuine wish.
Since we all love our children dearly and make all sacrifices to see that they become better than we have ever been I wish that our children are treated fairly and equally like ALL the rest.
Hope I’m not just day dreaming!
(jb)
joseph saliba
Aug 9th 2012, 11:23
... u dak jigri biss meta jkun hemm il-PL fil-gvern. Mhux hekk jb?
Victor Laiviera
Aug 9th 2012, 08:29
If it is wrong to "recycle something which took place 17 years ago," why is the PN continuously bringing up events which occurred 30 or even 40 years ago?
J Busuttil
Aug 9th 2012, 08:46
@ Victor Laiviera
They hurt don't they but they are true as I was there and was also a victim. PN has to keep reminding us as the Pl will take us there again. About the billboard that really hurt did it not Victor? . That is how a campaign is run by not insulting your opponent. Pl never learn the insulting billboards and even more the media is having a different effect on the PL campaign than expected by the administration.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 08:49
The shameful violent events that MLP mobsters carried out with impunity 30 or 40 years are still highly relevant today. The MLP potentates who condoned and encouraged that violence are still prominently active in today's LP and hankering for ministerial posts from which to resume their despised espousal of political violence.
Philip Hili
Aug 9th 2012, 10:02
@ Victor Laiviera
Mela tibza' mill-passat ta' Muscat's Labour Party?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 08:24
Loyalty to the party on whose ticket Dr Franco Debono seeks election and loyalty to NP voters on whose support the result of a general election depends is the paramount, prime, sine qua non, condition.
Dr Debono's incredibly positive self-assessment of his proven narcissism, egoism and childish behaviour is astounding when compared with these unproven vices that he glibly attributes to a potential rival NP candidate.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 08:45
@francis saliba md :
the only proven narcissim egoism and childish behaviour is that which has been declared so by a court of law in regards to Claudio Grech.
your allegations and insults in my regard surely do not constitute 'proven' just because you post the same insults in every blog for months
David Mangion
Aug 9th 2012, 10:04
Din tal-"loyalty to the party" inhoss li hi cucata kbira.
Jien bniedem li lil Eddie segwejtu u qrajt kull speach li ghamel.
Fost wiehed mid-diskorsi tieghu, wiehed isib illi Eddie kien qal illi jekk waqt il-Presidenza tieghu, il-parlament japprova il-ligi tal-abort huwa ma jiffirmahhiex....anzi jirrizenja.
Eddie (l-ikbar wiehed tal-politika moderna Maltija) ipoggi l-idejali personali tieghu il-fuq minn kull istituzzjoni ohra.
Allura Franco Debono, ma jistax ipoggi l-idejali (li suppost li dejjem iggwidaw lil dak li dejjem emmen il-PN) qabel l-istituzzjoni li bhalissa qed tmexxi l-partit ?
Sur Saliba, jekk it-tmexxija tal-PN, ghal xi raguni jew ohra, xi darba timbotta favur l-abort, int xi tkun il-pozizzjoni tieghek? Lejalta lejn il-hajja, jew lejalta' lejn il-Partit ?
Skuzani jekk qed niskomodak. Tista jekk trid ma twegibnix..... Jien wara kollox, I am the average idiot.
Orlando Ellul Micallef
Aug 9th 2012, 10:06
Really Franco? speaking about narcissism?!
The one who have all kinds of RL shirts with all sizes of pony?!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 10:28
@ Franco Debono today at 08:45.
Not at all, sir. No intelligent person would accept your glib allegation that only that which is decided in a court of law is true. I contest also your allegation that any court of law ever found Claudio Grech of the persistent "narcissism, egoism and childish behaviour" that you have been flaunting continuously for many months. That estimate of your behaviour is not mine alone, it is very widespread. It is evident in the comments on this blog that, evidently, you have been reading with dismay.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 10:42
@ the self-confessed "average idiot", today at 10:04.
Mhinix obbligat nirrispondi ghad-domanda retorika tieghek x'tista ''tkun il-lejalta tieghi lejn il-PN jekk dan xi darba jimbotta favur l-abort". Dak il-pont naqsmu meta nasal fih rejalment. Biex natik hjiel, jien qatt ma kont nivvota ghal xi kandidat tal-ebda partit li ghal-elezjoni li ghaddiet kien jikxef minn qabel li hu kien favur il-ligi tad-divorzju.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 08:23
For my reaction see www.francodebono.com
Barney Camilleri
Aug 9th 2012, 08:17
Dr. Franco Debono
You Sir, seem to know a lot on every body, every time. Well, I say good for you! But that is only a good start for a criminal lawyer. As a politician one must play for time otherwise you are only hanging yourself with your own rope.
Stalin once said: I trust no one, not even myself. Do you?
George Cutajar
Aug 9th 2012, 07:58
This latest silly attack on Claudio Grech by Debono just goes to prove what Debono is all about.
A silly stupid mistake seventeen years ago by a twenty year old should never have been brought up unless there are personal agendas involved. Debono knows that Austin Gatt is calling a day in politics so now he comes out against those whom he perceives are being pushed by AG and is ready to go the whole hog a resurrect matters of time long gone by.
This is truly shameful and shows once more that Debono is the egocentric person he has constantly proved himself to be.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 08:28
@ george cutajar :
yes there are personal agendas involved namely protecting my dignity, expecting equal treatment and protesting against discrimination. Don't I have a right?
This is no attack on Claudio Grech. These are FACTS. Personal attacks are those that you, George Cutajar have been indulging in on this site for months.
Now the court declared Claudio Grech wanted to show off and impress. When it happened is irrelevant. You have tried to insult me by lying about things which happened twenty years ago.
At least be consistent
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 09:13
@george cutajar :
since you mention personal agendas .. . .
did claudio grech have a personal agenda when he said he agreed with executive condemnation in jeffrey, jesmond and my regard?
was this becuase it is his ministry colleague's interest (Manuel delia), who wanted to contest the fifth district, which is the same from which i was elected?
Mr Mike Farrugia
Aug 9th 2012, 07:55
Why wasn't this issue raised by someone from the opposition? Is everyone asleep in this parlament of ours?
fredu debono
Aug 9th 2012, 07:50
Franco. claudio , haqqu li jkun kandidat ghax garanzija li se jimxi dejjem fil-linja tal-gvern. mhux bhalek . le int ma haqqekx li tkun parti mil partit nazzjonalista. int u dawk kollha li ma jbaxxux rashom ghal partit.
A Borg
Aug 9th 2012, 07:47
"This, Dr Debono said, was narcissism, egoism and childish behaviour at its best"
Pot... meet kettle.
manuel lia
Aug 9th 2012, 07:44
dejjaq lill kulhadd franco issa.......litteralment dejjaqt lill kulhadd.....ezatt sabek lilek il partit nazzjonalista e......prosit ghalik......daqs austin gatt hdimt int ghall partit ezatt......ilek 48 xahar membru parlamentari f'isem il partit nazzjonalista u ha tibqa tisemma bhala liktar deputat li qatt ghamel hsara lill partit nazzjonalista....pero ma gara xejn....ftit xhur ohra u tigi just an avukat......ghall darba ohra nerga nisfidak....OHROG INDIPENDENTI...u naraw kemm iggib voti...
C BONDIN
Aug 9th 2012, 10:10
Suppost Mr. Lia ministru jahdem ghan nies civili u l eletorat u mhux ghal partit biss
Mr Emanuel Farrugia
Aug 9th 2012, 07:34
"This, Dr Debono said, was narcissism, egoism and childish behaviour at its best – something which he had been accused of. Yet Mr Grech had within a few years found himself in minister Austin Gatt's private secretariat and had now been approved as a PN candidate. And now Dr Gatt had been among those who insisted most on his own delisting, Dr Debono said. "I am sure that with every day that passes you understand even more why I will not support the government as long as Austin Gatt is minister," Dr Debono wrote".
Meta wiehed jara artikli bhal dawn, mall-ewwel jinduna kemm fit-'team' ta' Dr. Lawrence Gonzi hemm nuqqas ta' "teamwork", nuqqas ta' direzzjoni u nuqqas ta' motivazzjoni, ghax jidher sew, li f'din 'l gzira, l-importanti huma, 'l hbieb tal-hbieb u specjalment ikollok habib lic-'champion' Onor. Austin Gatt, ghax dan jaghmel hafna u hafna mirakli. Tkomplux turu kemm intom ipokriti.
Emanuel Farrugia former Executive Secretary Mtarfa Local Council
Patricia Mifsud
Aug 9th 2012, 07:31
It's truly a sorry situation when a grown man constantly compares himself to others - and does it publicly to boot! Has he no self respect at all? Love him or hate him, he's made himself the laughing stock of the entire nation with his childish immaturity. Get a life, sir, and start living.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 09:53
@ particia mifsud :
that is called equality one of the most basic values of the French Revolution two hundred years ago which was a revolt against a monarchical rule, with which you seem to be comfortable.
yes by monarchical styles of government I might be the laughing stock
one day you will wake up to democracy and civil rights
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 10:50
@ Franco Debono today at 09:53
You create the very strong impression that your enthusiasm for the sans culottes of the French revolution and your aversion to monarchical rule apply only if you yourself are not the absolute monarch.
Patricia Mifsud
Aug 9th 2012, 12:08
13 out of 81 comments posted as of now (12 noon) are from franco debono. :-) Methinks he's sitting on this site waiting with bated breath for the next instalment.
Sorry franco, I cannot see how your comment is a riposte to mine.
To start with, what made you even think that the comment applied to you personally? Did I mention your name anywhere in it?
My comment applies to any adult who behaves in such a childish manner. Those who constantly play the game of one-upmanship within their own circle of friends/acquaintances are the laughing stock of that circle. Those who do it publicly become the laughing stock of the public.
Elaine Debono
Aug 9th 2012, 07:20
not a day goes by without us having to endure more drama!!
B Ellul
Aug 9th 2012, 06:57
Franco.... PLEASE just call it aday and leave.
Gorg Sciberras
Aug 9th 2012, 06:01
The idiom comparing apples to oranges comes to mind.
N. Bill Camilleri
Aug 9th 2012, 01:33
Hey Franco ................ good luck with your protest. I'm sure Gonzi will change his mind !!!!!!!!
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 01:10
As to the alleged motivation behind the commission of the crime being his zeal to become a policeman, I read the judgment over and over again and this does not result from the judgment. In fact the court decided that his motivations were to show off and impress due to a lack of maturity and responsibility.
Thirdly, a crime that happened years ago, doesn't render the crime less serious especially if it is punishable with up to three years imprisonment, and it is an offence falling under the Title of the Criminal Code entitled 'Offences Against Public Trust'
Fourth, a court judgment is an official document constituting an official pronouncement by the court to which everyone can make reference. If the Labour Party or anyone elese has made reference to the judgment in the past it doesn't preclude me or others from making reference to it.
If the Labout Party wish to make reference to a document, this doesn't render the document less authentic or truthful.
Paul Giordimaina
Aug 9th 2012, 10:52
Franco issa tard wisq biex jahfrulek ghamilt hafna zbalji .
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 00:45
Mr Grech said, he did not wish to discuss the Executive's decision against Dr Debono.
Has he got such short memory?
Maltatoday July 5. Claudio Grech said :
'Speaking on the recent events in parliament that saw PN MPs Franco Debono, Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando and Jesmond Mugliett voting against the government, Grech said the situation was 'surreal'.
"These individuals were elected on a PN ticket and now the electorate is witnessing them going against what they voted for," he said, adding that he fully agreed with the executive council's decision to condemn their actions.'
Victor Laiviera
Aug 9th 2012, 00:13
The PN objects to "recycling something which took place 17 years ago" yet they are continuously trying to bring up alleged events of 30 and even 40 years ago.
Paul@ Micallef
Aug 8th 2012, 23:43
What's so strange that Dr Franco Debono is making use of something that happened 17 years ago? First of all it is the truth. Secondly the Nationalist Party continuously make use of things that happened in the 70's and 80's. That is 30 and 40 years ago.
Ian Mamo
Aug 9th 2012, 08:30
Prosit. Well said.
Paul Barrett
Aug 8th 2012, 23:34
On a non-political point, it is about time that Malta instituted a form of "Rehabilitation of Offenders" Act where for instance this particular "minor offence" would be deemed rehabilitated after something like two or five years with no further offence committed.
With this Act, it would be illegal for anyone to publically or privately, expose, hold against or discuss a time expired offence against an individual except in certain areas such as National Security.
Obviously serious offences would require a longer time of rehabilitation in various time steps up to major crimes (Murder etc) which cannot be rehabilitated under this Act.
M Cassar
Aug 8th 2012, 22:52
Issa kollu ghalxejn Franco! Imbilli tipprova tkisser lil haddiehor xorta il-karriera politika tieghek irvinajtha.
Francesca Abela
Aug 8th 2012, 22:47
Wow - chairman of MITA no less, we are so impressed! Can Minister Gatt elucidate Claudio Grach's talents that make him so indispnsable - other then being a yes man that is??
Joseph Agius
Aug 8th 2012, 22:25
Is it possible that the PN General Council proposes that it accepts Franco Debono's resignation from the PN and promises never to accept him again in the party? I am sure it will pass unanimously.
Antoine Attard
Aug 8th 2012, 22:14
Move on Claudio. Don't let them distract you.
A Trapani
Aug 8th 2012, 22:12
Franco.... qed thallat il hass mal qarabali u kull meta titkellem taqa ghac cajt ..... how dare you comparing yourself to Claudio Grech. You did and are still doing a lot of harm to the party whilst Claudio Grech always worked for the party and respected its values and policies..... How can you even expect to have equal treatment within a party you've been trying to redicule for months ???? How dare you calling Claudio's act at 20 childish when you are acting like a baby yourself today ?
ANTHONY PAVIA
Aug 9th 2012, 08:29
Dr Debono is clearly driven by a wish to regenerate the PN into the relevant party it once was, and this in line with the thinking of the majority. His methods are unorthodox but certainly attention grabbing. They are of value to all of the unbiased electorate.
P. Zammit
Aug 8th 2012, 22:09
..and we made the BIG mistake of voting for this guy instead of Louis Galea.
Philip Mizzi
Aug 8th 2012, 21:46
We all know what opposites are. For example: black / white; small / big,etc. When it comes to countries having political accountabilty I add two other opposites: Malta / Japan! If you know what I mean.
Steve M. Engerer
Aug 9th 2012, 10:04
if you consider Japan to be more politically accountable than Malta, you should read the report of the Nuclear Power Station Disaster...
Onor Dr. Debono please note that we have had enough now!!!
Martin Busuttil
Aug 8th 2012, 21:37
Claudio said, quote - that Dr Debono was recycling something which took place 17 years ago.
Why is he so surprised, gonzipn recycled a billboard from 33 years ago.
francis x caruana
Aug 8th 2012, 21:32
well done francp. gonzi pn dot deserve much better. din buzillotta ohra ta xi hadd, zmien il buzzulloti ilu li beda sewwa issa.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 8th 2012, 21:19
A youtful escapade that harmed nobody and that merited only a conditional discharge is an insignificant political offence when compared with a protracted disregard of the party whip and an attempt to destroy a cabinet member.
If Dr Franco Debono is not mature enough to appreciate the difference then he is not mature enough to present himself as a prospective NP candidate or member of parliament.
franco debono
Aug 9th 2012, 00:58
that youthful escapade is a criminal offence under 'Crimes against Public Trust' and punishable with imprisonment from thirteen months to three years.
As far as i know disobeying the whip is far less serious than a criminal offence.
I made no attempts to destroy any cabinet minister. your comment borders on libel. parliament enforced ministerial accountability
Ramon Casha
Aug 9th 2012, 05:37
And yet you're still in favour of jailing teenagers caught smoking a joint and permanently branding them with a criminal record, right?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 08:06
I am not in favour of jailing anybody. I am in favour of citizens obeying the law, any law, not flouting it in pursuits of harmful pleasure.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Aug 9th 2012, 08:35
@ Dr Franco Debono.
The law took its separate course regarding any criminal offence.
We are now dealing with the requisite qualities for a prospective Nationalist Party candidate at the next general election. Your proven record of persistent flouting of the party whip disqualifies you, in my opinion, in the opinion of all Nationalists that I know and in the opinion of the NP Executive.
That much should be self-evident to anyone who is not narcissistic, egoist and childish.
Patricia Mifsud
Aug 9th 2012, 08:41
Is franco debono serious? In his other life as a criminal lawyer, how many persons who are alleged to have done even more serious crimes than this does he defend and make excuses for? Is he saying that once you've been tainted, that's it, you're untrustworthy for ever? What goes round, comes round... and everybody in this world has skeletons in the cupboard.
C BONDIN
Aug 9th 2012, 10:01
@ Patricia Samut
''Is he saying that once you've been tainted, that's it, you're untrustworthy for ever?''
Were you want you can say that one changes, and when a member from the opposite side did something wrong in the 80's all of the people commenting here say that this guy never changed.
X farsa!!!!!. Ahjar kulhadd inehhi l mentalita njuranta ta l ahmar u l blu biex zgur nimxu l quddiem f dan il pajjiz.
Philip Hili
Aug 9th 2012, 10:25
@ franco debono
"I made no attempts to destroy any cabinet minister." Dan int ktibtu! Inti f'sensik jew??!!!!! Jew inkella hsibtna xi partita imbsecilli.
Patricia Mifsud
Aug 9th 2012, 11:56
@ C Bondin. At no point did I allude to the 80s. However, once you brought that up, my view on the matter is that the "opposite side" still defend their actions of those days and give me no reason to believe that they wouldn't do the same things again - given the chance. Time will tell. On the other hand, it appears that this Claudio Grech (who I don't know from Adam) seems to have admitted that he did a STUPID THING. I don't think he physically or mentally abused half a nation by his behaviour.
Ivan Mizzi
Aug 8th 2012, 21:08
Ghajjejtna Franco.
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