Updated: Borg Olivier again insists Muscat made PN aware of Mistra scandal
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For the second day in a row, PN general secretary Paul Borg Olivier has insisted his party became aware of the Mistra scandal during the election campaign after Labour leader Joseph Muscat slipped up.
Dr Borg Olivier called an urgent press conference this afternoon to point out what PN MEP Simon Busuttil was reported saying to a newspaper today.
Dr Busuttil was quoted saying that Dr Muscat, at the time still an MEP, had given him strong enough hints during a discussion on a flight to Brussels.
No new information was given at the press conference and Dr Borg Olivier once again refused to say whether then Labour leader Alfred Sant was right when he alleged corruption on the Mistra scandal.
“This press conference is not about the Mistra case but intended to unmask Joseph Muscat’s deceit,” he said adding the Labour Party was now suggesting it was PN officials who had informed it of the Mistra contract.
Dr Borg Olivier insisted the PN had passed political judgement on the case soon after the election when the Prime Minister said this was reflected in the choice of cabinet.
He skirted the question as to whether the party should be thanking Dr Muscat for disclosing the Labour Party’s electoral strategy.
CHILD'S PLAY - PL
In a statement, the PL said a spokesman for Dr Muscat had already denied the claims being made by Dr Borg Olivier.
What Dr Borg Olivier was doing was child's play and it was clear that Dr Busuttil was getting mixed in all this to join the list of those who had ulterior motives.
Dr Muscat and the PL were not interested in such nonesense, the PL said.
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Eddy Privitera
Jul 27th 2012, 11:00
Francis Saliba: How could GonziPN have known that JPO was the MP to be targeted when Simon Busuttil said that Dr. Muscat ( and we haven't heard Dr. Muscat's version since PBO made his press conference when Dr. Muscat was on holiday in Italy ) only mentioned a case of corruption and did not mention any MPs name ??
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 27th 2012, 12:24
@ Eddy Privitera, today at 11:00
Dr Simon Busuttil has made it quite clear that the information disclosed to him by Joseph Muscat during that flight to Brussels was more than enough for him to conclude that Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando was the target of the MLP. The are intelligent people who can put two and two together and obtain the right answer.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 26th 2012, 15:55
It should be possible for commenters to stick to the topic. That is not whether Alfred Sant was right or wrong about JPO's clear involvement in the acknowledged Mistra abuse.
It is about how the Nationalist Party became aware of the existence of a damning contract that was in the possession of Alfred Sant, who was going to reveal it on the eve of the election.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 26th 2012, 17:33
Francis: Not True ! GonziPN knew about JPO's deal on his Mistra land , so much so, that just a hint about a case of corruption without any name os what the case involved, was enough for GonziPN to know who was the candidate involved ! In fact JPO stated that the informatyion about the contract was passed to the PL by an insider of GonziPN with the aim to blame JPO in case of an electoral defeat !
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 26th 2012, 19:16
@ Eddy Privitera, today at 17:33.
JPO does not provide any evidence to support his contention. If your eyes were not incorrigibly blinkered, you would insist on such proof when dealing with someone who was called politically and morally corrupt by a former prime minister and leader of your own MLP and in connection with this same Mistragate scandal.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 27th 2012, 09:30
@ Eddy Privitera, yesterday at 17:33.
Many Labourite commenters do not know what “spin” implies. It means propaganda material manipulated and tainted with falsehood. Dr Paul Borg Olivier’s account is factual. The LP diehards’ version is not – it is based on falsehoods.
Joseph Muscat only gave hints to Simon Busuttil from which the latter concluded that the unnamed NP candidate who was going to be targeted in a possible smear campaign on the eve of the election was Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando. That is not the same as the Nationalist Party knowing in advance the contents of a contract, signed by JPO, in Alfred Sant's possession and that Alfred Sant revealed only in the last moments before the election date.
That is the spin, the propaganda lie, and it is not Dr Paul Borg Olivier who is trying to spread it. It is people like you.
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 26th 2012, 13:09
Now we all know who the source of this revelation is!
However, Joseph Muscat now must answer some questions.
1) Why did he have to reveal such a ‘secret’ to Simon Busuttil?
2) Who gained politically from JM’s revelation, the PN or MLP?
3) Did this revelation help Alfred Sant’s strategy in attacking Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando?
4) Did this revelation make the MLP more winnable in the 2008 elections?
5) Who did gain personally politically from such a revelation, Alfred Sant or Joseph Muscat?
6) Today, in 2012, who is in a better political position with the MLP, Alfred Sant or Joseph Muscat?
7) … (more to come later)…
Waiting for answers!
JC.
Emanuel Farrugia
Jul 26th 2012, 17:17
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Today, 13:09
Now we all know who the source of this revelation is!
However, Joseph Muscat now must answer some questions.
1) Why did he have to reveal such a ‘secret’ to Simon Busuttil ?
What proof have you got that Mr. Simon Busuttil is telling the truth !
) Who gained politically from JM’s revelation, the PN or MLP?
If it's the truth, the PN slightly by about 1, 500 votes !
3) Did this revelation help Alfred Sant’s strategy in attacking Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando?
No effect really. Alfred Sant has a mind of his own. He walked out of PBS !
4) Did this revelation make the MLP more winnable in the 2008 elections?
Stupid question. JPO is a good actor !
5) Who did gain personally politically from such a revelation, Alfred Sant or Joseph Muscat?
Stupid question. Alfred Sant decided on his own to retire from Leader of the MLP. Joseph Muscat did
not know he would win the contest for Leadership !
6) Today, in 2012, who is in a better political position with the MLP, Alfred Sant or Joseph Muscat?
Stupid question. Please read the reply for question No.5.
7) … (more to come later)…
Waiting for answers!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 26th 2012, 17:35
Joseph Cauchi: What are dreaming about ? Dr. Muscat surely had no idea that Labour was going to lose the election. Let alone that he would then run for the leadership !! What a stupid comment !!!
j brincat
Jul 26th 2012, 12:26
The same spin ad nauseum by PBO.
What really matters is: Was the Mistragate real or was it made up by Labour?
It has now emerged beyond any imaginable doubt it was real and GonziPN knew all about. Labour was right to expose it so that the public would know what was going on.
The PN pulled all the tricks in the world to try and limit the damage of Mistragate because of the impending election. They tried coaching, ghost writing, press cards, a crying act and what have we!
Now whether it was Cikku, Gwakki or Pawlina who spilled the beams is simply IRRELEVANT!
But seems that PBO cannot realise this!
(jb)
Mario Camilleri
Jul 26th 2012, 11:37
PBO, qiegħed allura mhux jitratta l-każ tal-Mista imma flok qed jagħti prijorita dak li qal Simon Busuttil!
Liema fl-oppinjoni tiegħek PBO hija tal-aktar importanza, li xi ħadd jiżvela rrogolarita jew dak li jkun qiegħed iwettaq irregolarita? Għax din ma tinftihemx!!
Għax bl-argumenti ta' PBO għandhom għalxiex jirringrazzjaw allura lil Joseph Muscat li taffa milli Alfred Sant jaqbadhom kollha fuq sieq waħda u jagħmel kif kien għamel EFA lejlet l-elezzjoni lil Alfred Sant stess aktar qabel. Dan kien ta' vantaġġ għalihom għaliex inagħtaw iċ-ċans kollu jipprovaw jaħbuha kif filfatt ġara.
Il-ħsara kienet ser issir fiżikament f'wied sabiħ fuq biċċa art kbira u mhux billi jekk kif qed jgħid PBO li Simon qal li JM żvelalu l-aħbar. Għax jekk xejn kien tajjeb li JM kixef qabel għax skontkhom allura l-PL tilef l-elezzjoni kapriċċ ta' JM. Mela l-PN mar tajjeb, għax rebaħ.
Il-mistoqsija hija kif Simon qiegħed illum jitkellem u dan allura jġib fix-xejn li tal-PN qal li qatt ma kienu jafu b'dak li qed jagħmel JPO, għax Simon kien jaf u wassal l-aħbar skontu lil Joe Saliba.
Mela x'inhu l-argument la mortu tajjeb intom Pawlu Borg Olivier?
M. Spiteri
Jul 26th 2012, 10:44
OK, SO pbo IS SAYING THAT MUSCAT REVEALED TO THE PN THAT PL KNEW ABOUT JPO'S CONTRACT. DOESN'T THAT MEAN THAT PN KNEW THAT JPO WAS CORRUPTED AND THEY DEFENDED HIM FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF WINNING THE ELECTION?
PBO, you're trying to put a black cloud on the PL but you're putting a heftier one on the PN for us floaters
thanks
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 26th 2012, 10:41
When Joseph Muscat revealed to Simon Busuttil the strategy of attacking a prominent PN candidate in a corruption scandal, JM wittingly or unwittingly did undermine Alfred Sant’s strategy by eliminating the element of surprise!
If Joseph Muscat had kept his mouth shut, perhaps Alfred Sant’s attacks would have been more effective and catch the PN on the wrong foot!
Such blabbing by JM might have caused an MLP election victory in 2008!
This proves to show that Joseph Muscat TALKS TOO MUCH!
Min jipparla fil-vojt, jitfa’ ‘l-ġebla fuq saqajh!
JC.
Joe Smith
Jul 26th 2012, 11:59
@Joseph Cauchi Senior
This proves that Simon Busuttil TALKS too much!!! Can't you realize that this is the worst foul Simon Busuttil has ever done yet in his story of politics!!! He is now no longer credible!
AND THIS IS YOUR NEW PROJECTED LEADER!!!!!!!! CONGRUTS!!!!!
Jidher li Simon Busuttil ragel fuq l-irgiel ehhh!!!!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 26th 2012, 12:01
Joseph Cauchi Senior: Mela ghalfejn il-hin kollu tistaqsu lil Joseph Muscat biex jghidilkhom x'se jaghmel u kif u come ?! Biex imbaghad tibdew tghidu li kixef il-pjani tal-PL u b'hekk taghkhom vantagg ????
mela issa aktar minn qabel Dr. MUscat m'ghandu jghid xejn aktar qabel ma jhabbar l-elezzjoni Gonzi !!!!!
George Azzopardi
Jul 26th 2012, 10:37
So now we are calling it the Mistra Scandal ...
Remember that JPO was produced by GonziPN
Remember that JPO was defended back in 1998 by the same GonziPN!!!
by Joe Saliba
JPO is now being attacked by GonziPN!!
Some things to remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ugosno9rz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bBFdsR4p6Q&feature=related
George Azzopardi
Jul 26th 2012, 09:43
Even if what PBO saying is true, it is clearly identifying what sort of a leader Simon Busuttil would be. A friendly chat between 2 MEP's, ending up with a conclusive fairy tale so that he would look good by his party. If I had some esteem left for Simon Busutil, well now it has really faded out! Is this what a true leader should be all about!! A true leader should first be a gentleman!
But then again this is just a fairy tale story. We all remember the mistra case and things happens so fast that anyone believing PBO would really believe anything!!!
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 26th 2012, 11:26
If Simon Busuttil did not inform his party superiors about what he had heard from Joseph Muscat, then Simon Busuttil would be in COLLUSION with a member of the opposing party!
Simon Busuttil did the right thing to inform his party; while Joseph Muscat did the wrong thing by talking too much!
No wonder they are now calling Joseph Muscat as a BIG MOUTH!
JC.
George Azzopardi
Jul 26th 2012, 11:52
Mr.Cauchi
You are calling JM a big mouth when it is crystal clear that Simon Busuttil was the big mouth in this forced and pitiful story that your party is trying to create!!! The story should be about a BIG scandal which your part, GonziPN, defended back in 2008 and is trying bring out again as if it was PL's fault.
isma minni ghalqu halqkom ghax qed taqu izjed ghac-cajt!!!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 26th 2012, 12:08
jOSEPH cAUCH sENIOR: what did Dr. Muscat tell Simon Busuttil ????? Did he mention JPO or Mistra ??????
Giov DeMartino
Jul 26th 2012, 08:09
To ALL commentators below: How do YOU know who is telling the truth?
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 26th 2012, 08:27
Xux deMartino. Socialists and Communists believe they have the divine right to judgement - that is a reason why they fiddle with courts the world over.
Colin Camilleri
Jul 26th 2012, 08:45
Because PBO is caught lying even on TV. He is on record for that.
William Caligari
Jul 26th 2012, 09:31
Possibli Giov, ghandek esperjenza bhal dik, ma tindunax min qed
jghid il-verita?
Staqsi lil haddiema ta' l'Air Malta, Selmun Palace, Sea Malta, etc,
hemm bzonn inkompli Sur Giov.????
Mario Camilleri
Jul 26th 2012, 12:04
@ Giov DeMartino,
Surely not the PN because back in 2008 they accused Sant on allegations and false statements, and now they're diverting the issue onto JM. So since the PN now are involving JM in the Mistragate, it's obvious and crystal clear that Alfred Sant was telling the truth all along while JPO and the PN lot were lying. The issue is that back in 2008 the PN backed JPO all the way while setting up a strategy to defy Alfred Sant. Now the same PN is against JPO and exposed him in regards to the Mistragate.
The most important aspect of all this is the fact that how ever the Mistargate was revealed, the Mistra valley was going to suffer from a good deal of irreparable physical harm.
Emanuel Farrugia
Jul 26th 2012, 16:55
For ONCE you are right Demartino, ONLY God knows who is telling the truth. And waiting for the last judgement will be too late.
Carmelo Sammut
Jul 26th 2012, 06:20
U hallina Pawl ahjar tara x se taghmel u issib Course ta malajr tal ECDL forsi titghallem tibghat e mails mhux qed tkompli tinhela f dawn l kumidji.....
NO JPO
NO VOTE
David Bezzina
Jul 26th 2012, 01:46
Yes,Alfred Sant was right.That is the whole point that comes out of the story.
Joe Fenech
Jul 25th 2012, 23:58
So what? If there was a suspicion that felony was committed, it was for the PN and the authorities to investigate! The PL has nothing to do with this!
George Azzopardi
Jul 26th 2012, 10:26
Correct .. I believe everyone is noticing that GonziPN strategy is trying to throw their own rubbish towards PL!!!!
John B. Borg
Jul 25th 2012, 23:37
Dear Dr Borg Olivier'
Do yourself and us poor souls a big favour and stop digging yourself a bigger hole. Whoever brought the Mistragate scandal in the open, be it someone from your party or from Labour deserves all our gratitude. You have now caught yourself in your own spin and you do not know how to get out of it.
Like the rest of the PN, DR Borg Olivier is living in a permanent state of denial.
The undeniable facts are that Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando, a Nationalist member of Parliament was behind a project that was going to leave a permanent scar on an unspoilt green area.
Fact number two: The Nationalist Party did its damned best to protect Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando as the innocent victim of Labour's attacks to the extent that they hired a coach in the person of Mr Peppi "Joe" Azzopardi to teach him how to 'cry' in public and Daphne Caruana Galizia to ghost write an article in his defence on The Times.
These are the facts that you have to deal with Dr Paul Borg Olivier, as for the rest, as Rhett Butler said in "Gone With the Wind": "Frankly we give a damn"
Christina Sammut
Jul 25th 2012, 23:21
I have no doubt, or should I say; “I am morally convinced” that it was Joseph Muscat who disclosed Sant’s surprise news. He did it solely to further his political career. Joseph Muscat knew very well that if Sant loses the election, he would resign, thus his chances to become Sant’s successor will be improved. However, Alfred Sant should feel proud that at least his successor has learnt his lessons well. I remember very well Dr Sant repeating these axioms: “ends justifies the means” and the (in)famous “deal with the devil”. They that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind.
Emanuel Farrugia
Jul 25th 2012, 22:15
tell it to the marines PBO. This time it won't work. What I am itching for is to see the roofless theatre finished. We might be able to see better comedies there, unless we get drenched...
Claire Busuttil
Jul 25th 2012, 21:25
flok jahdmu ghal pajjiz, z zewg partiti il kbar, mohhom biex jitajru bejnithom........gravi il bicca, imma il PN probabli qed jihu vantagg min dan l agir, ghax b hekk jaljena in nies mil veru problemi tal pajjiz....
Barney Camilleri
Jul 25th 2012, 21:24
Even the press are not taken in, Dr. PBO.
If it was me I would be shy to hang on, or maybe as some would say you like to hear yourself.
PBO called a press conference and according to what I saw in the hall the floor was full of emply chairs. Question was this conference called for chairs or maybe even the press had enough of PBO?
Mario Cassar
Jul 25th 2012, 21:18
Its amazing how Muscat Labour Party can use people to such an extent.First they used JPO accusing him as a PN candidate of corruption with the Mistra mystry and it fell flat on their faces now they are using him once again but this time against his own party,accusing the PN of arrogance.Try another one MLP perhaps finaly you might manage to convince the electorate to elect you,but all in vain as when the time comes for voting the PN will be given another mandate to carry on with the success derived during the last 25 years.
IS SEWWA JIRBAH ZGUR try and understand this phrase tal MLP.
Mr Stephen Borg
Jul 25th 2012, 22:03
Are you serious? What success was derived in the last twenty five years because the only thing the current administration excelled in was ho to increase the national depth to astronomical levels and in the meantime have nothing to show where these money have been spent. Now you will surely tell us all about Mater-Dei, the airport and the roads but in substance you can appreciate that what was done does not amount to in access of six billion euros in depth.
David Magro
Jul 26th 2012, 09:21
Mario, a simple question I`m going to ask you...who was behind the Mistra case? Who did the coaching? Who stated that Dr.Sant was throwing mud at JPO? Iz-zejt tela f`wicc l-ilma Mr.Cassar...ma tithajjarx tghid li il-PL hu korrott hux ukoll?
DamianPaul Cassar
Jul 25th 2012, 20:40
Such incidents show the deceit and strategies that Joseph Muscat and all the blind followers succumb to -- all for the purpose of seeing the labour party winning the general election at all costs. This is not just said by me for the sake of a comment, it is said indirectly by current labour MP's in their dialogues among labour supporters.
Lawrence Fenech
Jul 25th 2012, 20:35
Mintix ser tnessi lil-hadd mil-problemi kollha li ghandu il-PN, hanqa ta hamar qatt ma telaq il-genna.
joyce aquilina
Jul 25th 2012, 20:33
this happens before evrey election...
PN we don`t belive you any more
G Pace
Jul 25th 2012, 22:57
Well said Miss aquilina
R Abela
Jul 25th 2012, 20:32
Carry on.................. BPO.
Salvu Schembri
Jul 25th 2012, 20:26
Tghid tkun ghadek segretarju generali wara l-elezzjoniet generali li jmiss, Dr. PBO ?
Arsenio Ellul
Jul 25th 2012, 20:25
I think PBO and PN have the sixth sense, they are reading minds. What a plonker Del Boy would say
Ronnie Callus
Jul 25th 2012, 20:22
U halliena Paul Borg Oliver, toqghodx tahlilna hin aktar. Aktar jaqbillek tara kif il=Partit tieghek jara kif se' jnaqqas dan id-Dejn kollu u Defecit li ghandna ghax din hi prijorita u mhux il-Mistra jew Minestra li hrigt biha issa.
Paula Azzopardi
Jul 25th 2012, 20:21
The plot thickens. A glimpse into the intricacies of some politicians' minds to achieve personal ambitions. The wary citizen who cares will contemplate to unravel the knot as best as he believes. And the floaters formulating their final decision before casting their vote. Let's hope that the truth is revealed as faithfully as possible, for our country's sake!
Francis Attard
Jul 25th 2012, 20:16
"Labour leader Alfred Sant was right when he alleged corruption on the Mistra scandal."
Can anyone in this country, who is not a political fanatic, tell us whether the Mistra issue was a case of corruption or not?
Paul Caruana
Jul 25th 2012, 20:15
A few weeks ago Muscat called Tonio Fenech an amateur. Now the real amateur has exposed himself. Shall we have such an unprofessional man leading us in a year's time.
Victor Laiviera
Jul 25th 2012, 20:41
You mean PBO?
He is, isn't he?
Owen Ellul
Jul 25th 2012, 20:09
We have all heard clips of Muscat on Tv and radio letting the cat out of the bag, while believing he was ominously warning one and all of an impending scandal. No one can deny it. Now Simon Busuttil's evidence confirms Muscat chatterings.
R Abela
Jul 25th 2012, 20:35
Explain to us what evidence does Sm has to show us? His word? this will end up like the U TURN he did on ACTA.
N Chetcuti
Jul 26th 2012, 00:16
We've all heard what simon had to say about hunting before the referendum. Let the hunters tell you what they think today of simon's words of wisdom.
Neville Carabott
Jul 25th 2012, 19:57
Il PN qed juru bic-car,jekk kien ghad hemm bzonn,li qeghdin verament darhom mal-hajt biex jibdew il-bulettin ta l-ahbarijiet b-din l-ahbar.Tajjeb li nfakkruk haga wahda biss SUR BORG OLIVIER,
YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME,
YOU CAN FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME,
BUT YOU CANNOT FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE,ALL OF THE TIME.
AND YOU WILL GET YOUR DESERVED ANSWER ONCE YOU CALL THE NEXT ELECTION.
Anzi ser nibatlek il vot tieghi u tal familja tieghi bil posta,halli zgur nissodisfak.
George Grech
Jul 25th 2012, 19:57
How can we trust such a man as Muscat at the helm in these troubled times? Hardly! Up to now, though showing no substance he has passed by as a good packager of emptiness. Now even the packaging is giving signs of wear and tear. The intelligent electorate should beware.
Salvu Sciberras
Jul 25th 2012, 19:51
For me this all confirms Muscat's lack of substance. Trust such a man conversing with other Prime Ministers, Presidents and diplomats. Eager to show how knowledgeable he is. What a negotiator in prospect! Poor Malta!
Anthony Saliba
Jul 25th 2012, 20:14
I don’t think Muscat is so stupid to go and open up to the ‘enemy’. If this is the case, then rightly so Mr. Sciberras, God forbid he becomes PM.
It is more likely, however, that Muscat did this with some intention in mind.
If the latter is found to be the case, then Muscat’s own admission that he wants to become the youngest PM ever may have to be taken in new light. It appears from what we read that Muscat’s fixation with becoming Malta’s youngest PM stops at nothing.
We already heard this from Dr. Adrian Vassallo when he said that Muscat’s only aim is to win the election, thus becoming PM, “u imbaghad naraw”.
It may also very well be that Muscat hinted on the Mistra case to undermine his own leader (Dr. Sant) by exposing the only card he had left to win the 2008 election.
The rest is history: Labour lost the 2008 election because they failed to take the PN by surprise, Alfred Sant resigned, Muscat became Labour’s new leader and is currently in the run up to become PM.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 26th 2012, 13:03
Anthony Saliba. Tista tghidilna x'qal Dr. Muscat lil Simon Busuttil ??? S'issa kull ma qrajna kien li Dr. Muscat ta' " indikazzjoni" li l-PL kien se jikxef kaz ta' korruzzjoni ta' kandidat ta' GonziPN ! B'daqsekk ma semma ebda isem jew hjiel x'kien il-kaz. Mela jekk Simon Busuttil u Joe Saliba setghi indunaw ghal min kien qieghed jirreferi Dr. Muscat, MELA BILFORS KIENU DIGA JAFU BIL-KAZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mela mhux kif qeghdin jippruvaw jghatu l-impressjoni li strategisti ta' GonziPN li kien Dr. Muscat li kiexef il-kaz maghhom !!! IPOKRITI !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 25th 2012, 19:39
All those queering whether Alfred Sant was correct or not on the Mistra Scandal wouldn’t it be more appropriate to address this question directly to the main actor himself of this ‘Scandal’?
I am sure JPO would comply!
JC.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 26th 2012, 13:05
Joseph Cauch: JPO DIGA QAL LI IL-PL KIEN IRCIEVA L-INFORMAZZJONI MINN SORS TA' GONZIPN !!!!!!
Noel Barry
Jul 25th 2012, 19:24
Normally, when something said or written is not true, proceedings for libel are instituted. So why has not this happened.
Henry Mifsud
Jul 25th 2012, 19:08
If PBO got clearance on this from GonziPN and RCC then they are all in a very big mess. Reminding everyone of the Mistra affair, especially what was revealed recently, is suicidal for the PN.
But then this is not the first time that PBO was not acknowledged by Dr. Gonzi - remember during the last General Conference when Dr. Simon Busuttil was singled out as the chosen one whilst PBO was side-lined and not even his name was mentioned? Who knows, maybe he is another PN scapegoat after all.
James Camilleri
Jul 25th 2012, 19:06
One thing is cristal clear - Alfred Sant was depicted as a liar and he was not. JPO was lying through his teeth and he was propped up by the PN and duped a lot of voters. So there is nothing to boast about here. Better to sweep this under the carpet instead of trying to deflect it towards the labour camp. The PN really needs to clean up its act by removing some people from their current office. They are doing a lot and a lot of harm to the party and its credibility. Now I will be called a labour apologist!
J Busuttil
Jul 25th 2012, 19:15
@ James Camilleri
One thing is cristal clear - Alfred Sant was depicted as a liar and he was not.
Agreed if you say so but Joseph Muscat is, the so called future prime minister.
R Abela
Jul 25th 2012, 20:26
yes mr busittil
and Gonzipn will soon be the EX prime minister.
Fleur Mifsud
Jul 25th 2012, 19:02
Stop this bickering, let’s have an election and start afresh.
I m so fed up of politicians.
Joseph Brincat
Jul 25th 2012, 18:51
Borg Olivier
WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTS IS A GENERAL ELECTION
SO THIS MALTA CAN MOVE AHEAD !!!!
Angus Black
Jul 26th 2012, 00:02
Malta is moving ahead anyway, Mr Brincat, while Joseph is sipping wine in Asti.
Christopher Vella
Jul 25th 2012, 18:27
@ G Tonna
It shows crystal clear that the PN won the last 6 out of 7 elections ....... look at the flipping mess the country is in.
@ everyone
Why is PBO still crying about this?
Paul Sammut
Jul 25th 2012, 19:24
That is what its going to be like they have nothing better to do or say after all even if they say who is going to believe them after all these years in power and they still did not do what they promised years ago.
One thing is for sure that Gonzi pn will always be remembered for destroying Malta.
And who is acting like a dictator today remember that is what they use to call Dom Mintoff so what should Gonzi be called today no one and i mean no one ever was in the situation Gonzi is today and yet he keeps hanging on and he has the face to tell us that its all in the interest of Malta.
G Tonna
Jul 25th 2012, 19:53
Malta has never seen such high level of employment and all this thanks to the politics of the Nationalists. Do you recall the unemployment under labour governments and the pioneer labour camps? What with the GDP reaching record levels of performance in an oper market under this government. In labour's days it was an inward looking economy, with import substitution and a whole mess with the array of parastatal companies producing poor products. And what about FDIs and investment in general. Malta has had an unprecented record of investment thanks to the wise decision of the Nationalist government when Malta joined the EU. If it was for labour we would still be out of the EU in some pseudo formula called Swizerland in the Meditterranean. Just remember that in labour's days FDI s dried up and the little Malta got was from companies who wanted to squeeze the cheap labour Mintoff had to offer.
Christopher Vella
Jul 25th 2012, 21:53
@ G Tonna
It was an inward looking economy you say; perhaps because we had nothing and labour gave Malta its economic foundations, gave Malta what it was by right hers and what the British bullied GBO into accepting peanuts in cash for. True, after 16 years the politics and policies had to move forward and change to more ‘outward looking’. But enough of the past, let’s look at the present – after all I couldn’t care much for what Mintoff did (in the sense that Mintoff’s political career has long expired and therefore he is out of the scene). You say GDP; would you care to have a look at Deficit? Even without the parastatal companies figures, it stands at 75% (should have been 68% according to the illustrious Tonio miss-by-a-few-miles-all-the-time Fenech). What use is increasing GDP when you grossly and constantly over-spend in this manner? What unprecedented record of investment? Are you by any chance referring to the fossilised manufacturing sector just to mention one? Regarding the EU application, if we didn’t join, we wouldn’t be paying for the collapse of the major countries – Italy, Spain, France Portugal, Ireland and the no secret Greece. The common people do not seem very impressed currently with how the EU monster developed; only the guys in-charge (read the guys currently milking the cash cow) seem to believe that there is light at the end of the tunnel. As for the cheap labour Mintoff had to offer; just look at China – everyone seems to be opening their factories there because of ‘cheap’ labour. That is why it is currently the world’s 2nd strongest economy.
G Tonna
Jul 26th 2012, 14:06
Christopher, you may not care about MIntoff now because you may think he is harmless in the state he is in, but clearly I am referring to his legacy which the labour party so strongly inherited and which it is struggling in vain to have us forget. As far as we know the Labour party is still on the socialist path of doing politics and has not renounced the evil ethics of socialism. Labour has not told us what it stands for until this very day, four years with Joseph Muscat at the helm of the party.
Maybe Joseph should tell us whether he would be pulling Malta out of the EU or the Euro if the economy does not perform well should labour be voted in office. Would Malta return to the labour corps of the seventies and eighties should unemployment pick up. You know, business confidence is traditionally fearful of labour because they never know what to expect and their past history in the Maltese economy is disastrous to put it mildy.
I would hope that Labour is not thinking of copying the Chinese model you so enthusiastically quoted. You may want to have a look at the working conditions of the chinese factories before we elaborate further on the subject.
The continuous series of PN victories over the last 30 years are not a coincidence. The Maltese voter has come to realise which party can deliver the best goods and results for this country.
Mark Piscopo
Jul 25th 2012, 18:15
@G Tonna Paul Borg Olivier jerga jiftah l-ferita tal-Mistra berah u jerga jtellef eluf ta' voti lil Partit Nazzjonalista. Aghmel 2 autogoals f'jumejn meta ammetta li kien jafu bl-ISKANDLU tal-Mistra u minflok marru ghand il-pulizija bdew jattakkaw lil Sant u hbew dan l-Iskandlu mill-poplu. Hafna partitarji nazzjonalisti jinsabu nfurjati peress li PBO parla fil-vojt fuq dan il-kaz u kompla jgherreq lill-PN ghax gaba li kienu jafu u xorta gidbu lill-Poplu specjalment meta ghamlulu timbru minn Kastilja biex JPO jaghmilha ta' gurnalist u kien hemm Joe Saliba, Gordon Pisani spalla ma spalla mieghu waqt il-konferenza ta' Sant gewwa l-PBS.
Fl-opinjoni tieghi hemm bzonn Mexxej gdid fil-PN.
G Tonna
Jul 25th 2012, 20:03
Mark... The Nationalist were on the receiving end and clearly it was Labour who was out to inflict damage to the PN in the election run up. The PN strategy was clearly to limit the damage and possibly fight it back. It did this gracefully and successfully judging by the election results. Victory would have been wider had it not been for this incident. But remember that the odds in 2008 were against the PN being relected for the 3rd consecutive time...unprecendented in Maltese political history.
Gonzi is a very good leader and an excellent statesman. There is no need to change a winning horse.
Joseph E Briffa
Jul 25th 2012, 18:14
One wonders what made JM divulge this info to SB? Could it be to impress SB how knowledgeable he was about what was going on in Malta despite his work in Brussels? In any case, it doesn't say much about JM's maturity. Again one wonders who informed JM in the first place In any case, the whole thing is now history, unless of course the Mistra project will come to fruition during a future Labour administration. Life is full of strange events.
Doreen Attard
Jul 25th 2012, 18:31
"......it doesn't say much about JM's maturity..............."
Mr Joseph E Briffa, your post doesn't say much about your maturity !!! How come you believe these things ? These people have been lying through their teeth for more than 4 years now, how can you believe them ?
G Tonna
Jul 25th 2012, 18:07
Some desperate labour supporters are so hungry for power. Don't blame them after 25 years in opposition. But be careful, the Nationalist have won 6 out of the last 7 elections which goes a long way in telling you who the Maltese prefer. You cannot trust Labour in Government because when the Maltese did they got lurid Mintoff and and his vicious politics that stalled the progress of this island for 16 years.
Can we trust Mintoff's legacy in Joseph Muscat? Obviously not.
Toni Botta
Jul 25th 2012, 18:22
Very well said.....also it shows what type of person he really is, give him the chance and he back stab you. this should be a lesson learned for all the maltese people ........all these promises are all in vain. as once he's in goverment he'll be playing a diffrent tune to all of us.
then it will be all about recovering the economy and slashing students stippends etc, its all a deja vu coming back to us (1996 - AS). We're all aware of the promises made by AS. which in some instance he kept like the cash registers and the VAT etc but cost our country millions in loses which we're still paying up forl now.
we are aware that the PN goverment made a lot of promises before the election, which some were not kept but we're still doing better then most elite countries in the EU. comes next election i'll be voting first PN and second AD, with the hope that if labour wins the next general election AD would have the power to form a coalition with the PN party and put a stop to JM mess.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 25th 2012, 18:38
G.Tonna- The last Labour government was the 1996 one lead by Dr. Alfred Sant, the most democratic government we ever had ! Why do you and other GonziPN apologists keep missing this fact ???
Mintoff's legacy is found in the WELFARE STATE from which you and your family have benefitted so much !!!!!
W Cassar
Jul 25th 2012, 18:59
@ G Tonna
You can talk till you are blue in the face (Pun intended) ...but its the floaters who decide and at the moment they are not a happy bunch of people!
G Tonna
Jul 25th 2012, 19:23
W. Cassar. I don't see how you can be too sure in maltese politics, and that is precisely why you look at past performance to gauge and possibly predict what can happen in the future. It didn't look good for the PN in 2008 but there you go, the party won the election and governed a successful economy. How can you really tell or predict whats going to happen in the next election?
Paul Sammut
Jul 25th 2012, 22:07
Today news your own news unemployment up by 7.8%. and please Mr. Tonna during Mintoff years we had a lot of things that it seems you forgot to mention like the banks the malta drydocks the post Air Malta all the social benefits like the wage the children allowance bonus free medical care and all that you can think off. Its a pity you seem either to have forgotten or may be at the time you lived in outer space. Yes Gonzi pn will always be remembered for selling all we had. for all the factories that closed down for all the lost jobs for the lies to Air Malta and Selmun hotel workers for all the lies about smart city jobs for all the Bus owners and their familys.For the disaster at Mater Dei hospital and the health centers for all the taxes we have to pay for always finding an excuse to tax the workers more and more like the recent one about the V.R.T every year is this not a new tax why not fix or better build new safer roads i mean like you said all these years in power and not much was done. Can we ever trust Gonzi p.n the maltese people will soon answer you and its no use now to late no matter what Gonzi p.n tries the people are not stupid nor blind.
Mr Stephen Borg
Jul 25th 2012, 22:12
When you say successful economy, does this by the way include that we are officially in a rescission and that our national dept amounts to seventy five percent of our gross domestic product whilst that permitted by the EU is that of sixty percent. Please stop trying as the famous Maltese idiom quotes: Traqqa il-pannu bil-qara ahmar.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 25th 2012, 17:59
Dr Paul Borg Olivier is not doing "child's play".
He is piling on evidence on evidence, from various sources, that it really was Joseph Muscat who alerted the Nationalist Party that Alfred Sant had an ace hidden up his sleeve that he would divulge on the eve of the election. That ace proved to be the Mistra contract previously unknown to the PN.
Dr Muscat and the PL should be interested because such underhanded trickery is just as reprehensible as the attempted Mistra development scandal itself.
G Tonna
Jul 25th 2012, 18:14
You cannot expect statemanship from Joseph Muscat with this underhanded and deplorable behaviour. Politics is about unconditional love for your country and honest and loyal politics towards your colleagues but also your political adversaries.
ALBERT FENECH
Jul 25th 2012, 18:15
The British film industry came out with a series of farcical comedies all of which had a title that started with "Carry on ..." something or other. The GonziPN has now issued its own production called "Carry on making us cringe and laugh". It amazes me that a person like Dr Francis Saliba and others of his ilk have the guts to continue to persist in defending a Titanic-like organisation that has now sunk to the bottom of the ocean's very depths.
ALBERT FENECH
M Grima
Jul 25th 2012, 18:33
"Dr Muscat and the PL should be interested because such underhanded trickery is just as reprehensible as the attempted Mistra development scandal itself"
Oh really Dr. Saliba? How can you and the dazed nationalists consider this silly spin as a scoop. The real drama is how GonziPN for four long years camouflaged JPOS antics as if he was a victim, when all along Dr. Sant was right.
You know what Dr. Saliba, Mistragate will haunt your party and will once again play a part in the demise of a political party, this time round it would be the party which represents hypocrites, GonziPN.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 25th 2012, 18:46
G. Tonna: Did you hear or read what Mr. Michael Falzon has said about Dr. Lawrence Gonzi ?? He said that Dr. Gonzi " LACKED LEADERSHIP QUALITIES " !! And you say that Dr. Gonzi is " a statesman " ??
Patrick Zammit
Jul 25th 2012, 18:49
No, Dr Saliba, it shows how GonziPN easily ignores his much flaunted "Christian values" (when it suits him) to deceitfully manipulate a bad situation into a win win situation.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 25th 2012, 23:05
@ M Grima
Yes! Really, Mr Grima.
The Nationalist Party purged itself of Mistragate decisively when it condemned JPO for his treachery in conspiring with the Labour Party, after it had tolerated, patiently and with ill grace his chronic disloyalty to party and to his comrades and to PN supporters who had voted for him, and only because compelled to do so by "force majeure".
@ Patrick Zammit.
Please do not use pronouns before you clearly identify the related noun. It is impossible to decipher whose flaunted “Christian values” the PN is supposed to be “easily ignoring" “when it suits him” (who?), and who is deceitfully manipulating which “bad situation” and who should be congratulated for changing a “bad situation into a win win situation”.
Mr Stephen Borg
Jul 26th 2012, 09:33
I am in no way saying that Joseph Muscat is a saint, but when we look back at track records we would easily come to reckon that people of the likes of PBO and Simon Busuttil have more then once been caught in senseless gaffes. Simon Busuttil for instance was instrumental on the ACTA case and PBO is very famous for sending emails, a straight forward computer application to the wrong people. PN we do not believe you any more, sorry, and you are the only ones to blame for all this.
Daniel Borg
Jul 25th 2012, 17:57
Indiretament qed jghid li alfred sant kellu ragun...
Mr Albert Dimech
Jul 25th 2012, 17:42
"No new information was given at the press conference and Dr Borg Olivier once again refused to say whether then Labour leader Alfred Sant was right when he alleged corruption on the Mistra scandal."
THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT. THE PN WERE FULLY AWARE OF THE SCANDAL AND CALLED IT MUD SLINGING, SO MUCH SO FOR DECEIT.
J Busuttil
Jul 25th 2012, 17:40
Joseph Muscat's periodical blunder, and still not prime minister.
Mr Albert Dimech
Jul 25th 2012, 17:43
Ah yes? Can you please list the others? It's a challenge!
john muscat
Jul 25th 2012, 18:03
How do you call it a blunder by JM instead of the PN's blunder when JPO was being defended instead of condemning him? That's what I call super hypocrisy dear Busuttil.
J Busuttil
Jul 25th 2012, 18:43
@ Albert Dimech
Wanting us to be an image of Cyprus
Suggesting Island to stay out of the EU
Late on various official appointments
Incident that happened on his departure to Lybia and still not answering PN's answers.
Sargas ( has not been mentioned any more)
These are that come to mind and I am sure that there are more.
Mr Albert Dimech
Jul 25th 2012, 21:28
@J Busuttil
Oh I'm impressed! And these are supposed to be blunders?
These are only stupid, childish attempts by the PN media to try to attack Dr Muscat.
If this is the best that the PN could do, well that explains why Dr Muscat is +10 ahead of Gonzi in the polls.
Just swallow the bitter pill, Dr Muscat is NOT Dr Sant. He is the hardest nut the PN will ever have to crack.
Yes, an earthquake it was, in the PN but!!
J Busuttil
Jul 25th 2012, 22:45
@ Mr.Albert Dimech
You cannot be impressed as you will definitely not hear about his blunders on the PL media who are very faithful to what they report.
About the +10 ahead same was before the last election so nothing new.
" Yes, an earthquake it was, in the PN but!! never heard of Joseph's promised earthquake on the contrary the old faces are back pulling Joseph's strings.
Jonathan Camilleri
Jul 25th 2012, 17:34
I was wondering what the fuss was about so I googled the following article that involves JPO:
Nationalist MP Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando had urged them to “keep an eye” on and facilitate the application process. In a police statement seen by The Sunday Times, Dr Pullicino Orlando is said to have started calling about the application a few months before it was approved, on behalf of someone called Dominic. This individual has now been identified as the man to whom Dr Pullicino Orlando was leasing the land in question and who in turn rented the land to Ian Sultana, who filed the application for the development.
http://www.maltapolitics.com/jeffreypulicinoorlando.htm
j brincat
Jul 25th 2012, 17:14
The CRUX of the matter is: Was Labour right in bringing Mistragate to the attention of the Maltese public? Of course it was!
,
Did GonziPN (as it was then known) use JPO as a scapegoat? The facts which came to light very recently confirm that it was so much so.
Did JPO’s crying act, which (as seen on TV) was heartily applauded by Dr Gonzi, help to win the PN the 2008 election? Of course it did! JPO got 5100 first preference votes (much more than some of the present ministers)!
By how many votes did GonziPN win the last election? By a mere 1700 votes – the thinnest of all whiskers in the world – a close shave indeed! PLUS some mistakes on the part of Labour i.e. the over confidence and acceding to allow that extra hour for voting
Meanwhile, this whole saga (Mistragate) is being stretched by far too long like an overused elastic band! Obviously this is JUST part of the PN’s spin.
But perhaps PBO has nothing better to do in this simmering heat!
(jb)
robert pace
Jul 25th 2012, 17:12
Who cares Dr Borg Olivier how you got to know about all you mention!! What we really care is that the country is being ruled by undemocratic systems. There no longer majority whatever your greed is for power and who knows what? You are ruining the whole system and you will pay for this just as the MLP had to pay ?
Jamie Cutajar
Jul 25th 2012, 16:56
You have to have a real brass neck to sit there while the country is in a recession and feebly make some schoolboy comment about the leader of the opposition being a big mouth. The real pity is that GonziPN are in a position to steer this country one way or another and instead decide to stir up a controversy that they themselves have every cause to be ashamed of.
john muscat
Jul 25th 2012, 16:26
The whole issue is whether Dr. Alfred Sant was right or not at that time , and not how the PN got to know about the scandal. The dishonesty lies in the PN Sur PBO, because you knew about it and defended JPO instead of condemning him!
G.A. Scicluna
Jul 25th 2012, 16:06
Why is this so important???? If it's true that JM gave a hint to SB, then why all the panic when Gordon Pisani came to know that Sant had a contract in his possession. It is quite obvious to me that what JM may have allegedly told was very little- since at most by then all the PN new was about something fishy with JPO, but not about the mess he would eventually put them in... I cannot understand?!!! If they knew JPO was at fault why all the cover up and mud slinging vis-a-vis Sant. I would like to ask PBO - who leaked the contract to Alfred Sant? - that's important....
ALBERT FENECH
Jul 25th 2012, 16:00
Boring ... boring ... boring ... ad nauseum. What is Dr PBO trying to achieve or prove (together with Simon Busuttil, Beppe Fenech Adami et al)? It is so transparently thin they are trying to provoke an internal PL squabble that it is verging on the pathetic. People in glass houses should never, ever throw stones. I urge the PL to reveal who the GonziPN "grass" was that originally revealed the Mistra scandal and then we can stand back and watch the GonziPN destroy itself once and for all.
ALBERT FENECH
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 16:39
Oh yes one can understand why it is boring for some!
Pat Hobson
Jul 25th 2012, 15:59
The more the PN keeps on blabbering about the Mistra issue, the more they are making the voters aware how they had been taken for a ride during the elections. The voters are now very much aware of who embezzled them of their vote. The electorate won't forgive the PN for this charade!
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 16:43
Come again Hobson! Who's been taken for a ride! Coming from someone who was taken for a apocalyptical ride about the Local Councils, Liberalisation, VAT, EU, EURO by none other than Joey, it comes across as precious.
[joey]
Pat Hobson
Jul 25th 2012, 18:53
@Mr. J. Micallef. Politics change, and you should know that! I wonder what you would have said if Joseph Muscat was still against them? You learn by your mistakes, and the PL has learnt from its past mistakes. But it seems that the PN doesn't learn! And this case is one of them. With all this blabbering about Mistra, the electorate being made aware how it was taken for a ride by Gonzipn and how it defended corruption at all costs to win the elections. EFA once said "Min ma jiggieledx il-korruzzjoni hu KORROTT!" I think that says it all!
The PN is a party of HYPOCRITES!
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 19:20
As a sorry PL person you cannot let courts decide whether a crime has been committed or not - THAT HAS NEVER CHANGED for you lot. Joey went as far as saying that he will over rule court rulings.
As for change of mind, here we are referring to huge impact macro policies and the only change that can happen is an opportunistic one, that is Joey's style. Moreover he did not just change his mind but he was very actively involved in spinning a huge web of lies which as “makku” (ref Alfred Sant) you faithfully obliged to - although one know might now think that that was part of his plan!
I rest my case [joey]
Daniel Tabone
Jul 25th 2012, 15:57
How pathetic! Mistra again and again! You should thank Joseph Muscat than dear PBO! Why don't you admit how true was Labour four years ago?
Joseph Gatt
Jul 25th 2012, 15:56
Ha, Ha, Ha!!!!!!! Who needs Benny Hill when you have the PN? Keep it coming and do not forget to bring the shovel so you can continue to dig your hole deeper and deeper.
John Mifsud
Jul 25th 2012, 15:56
PBO is so unconvincing. It is beyond my imagination how the PN party is pushing PBO on Mistragate. Do they really think that they are gaining any points?
The PN should publicly apologize to Dr Alfred Sant, a true gentleman, for the TV charade before the last general election.
After watching JPO on Mr Saviour Balzan's programme yesterday, I do not know how certain PN individuals can ever face the electorate.
In 1998, Malta lost a true politician. Dr Alfred Sant is an honest politician. But the character assassination on him worked back then. Now we are paying for yesteryear's sins.
Mr J Xerri
Jul 25th 2012, 15:51
The more one reads, the more one is made to believe that actually we have reached a stage where an election strategy, where outwitting your opponent. being economical with the truth is more important than sticking to facts, offering a good electoral progamme, etc.
brian spiteri
Jul 25th 2012, 15:50
Tajjeb, mela issa iktar nivvota ghall qalbi Labour fl- elezzjoni li imiss ghax bis sahha ta JM inkixef dan l- skandlu u il-mistra baqghat fl-istat naturali taghha!! U issa qed tohrog stqarrijja wara l- ohra fuq JM meta dan jinstab imsiefer u ma jistax jirrispondik? Tista tkun daqshekk coward sur PBO?
A Trapani
Jul 25th 2012, 16:10
brian, ghax imsiefer ma jistax jirrispondi ? Lanqas kieku ghadna fi zmien il messaggi bil hamiem ghax il messag wkoll jasal f'jumejn mil Italja
Eddy Privitera
Jul 25th 2012, 16:13
George: Yes the cat is out of the bag ! We now know that GonziPN KNEW JPO was involved in a scandalous deal at Mistra. Otherwise, how could they have arrived at the conclusion that JPO was the candidate "hinted" at by Dr. Muscat, if they had no idea whatsoever about the Mistra scandal ???????
GonziPN have also confirmed that the election was STOLEN by the manipulation used by Joe Saliba and RCC through the antics of JPO when he faced Dr. Sant as a "journalist " !!!!!!
THE CHICkENS HAVE NOW COME HOME TO ROOST !
brian spiteri
Jul 25th 2012, 16:49
@ trapani
Hamiem u mhux, mhux il-kwistjoni, tghid mhux ser joqghod jirrispondi lic-cucati ta PBO waqt li qieghed ghal btala mal familja!! Izda serrah rasek u ras il- PBO li la jigi lura ser tehduha ir-risposta, u il- PBO terga ma tarahx b-ghajnejk iktar ghax imur jistahba fil kwartieri kif ghamel kemm ilu segretarju tal PN!!
robert pace
Jul 25th 2012, 17:15
ha nghidlek Sur Trapani hekk ser nispiccaw taht dan ir regime ta Gonzi bil hmara bil hamiem u tallaba siehbi!!!
George Cutajar
Jul 25th 2012, 15:47
Finally the cat is out of the bag and we now know to whom JM spoke about the then impending attack.
The whole matter is not about the Mistra case 'per se' but about how the now Leader of Opposition acted and spoke about such a delicate matter.
Labour and particularly JM should come clean on the accusation being levied against him.
Where his utterances a wise move in those circumstances?
Was he simply carried away with the information the MLP than had and could not keep everything under wraps due to the euphoria and hype surrounding Labour at the scent of an imminent victory?
Had JM not made any public declaration or spoke as he did to Simon Busuttil the PN would have been caught off guard with the collateral damage that was intended?
These questions need to be answered and answered clearly and unequivocally to dispel all the doubts that are now surrounding this matter.
What has emerged so far is that Labour than knew much and much more than the PN did and truth be told the PN did a very good job a turning the mess on hand into a golden opportunity. In the circumstances JPOS's candidature could not be revoked and on his election he could not be forced into resigning however the PM did pass judgement by simply passing him over for ministerial responsibilities and that was all he could really do.
M Grima
Jul 25th 2012, 17:05
Why all the euphoria George. The nationalists are in such in a state of panic that they think that such a silly story will score them some brownie points. This spin goes on the prove that Alfred Sant was right all along and GonziPN took the Maltese electorate for a ride. It is easy for you to say that this is not about Mistragate, but in fact it is. It epitomises the belief that the PN are a deceitful party which will stoop at any level if the end justifies the means. The PN have kept this story under wraps, just like they did with the secreat weekly payrise of €500, Dr. Gonzi and his cabinet gave themselves. Not only that but they continued to cover up for that little weeping puppy for four long years and now that they have discarded him, are trying to shift the attention on Dr. Muscat.
And if the story is not pathetic enough, GonziPN are pushing their secretary to the edge of ridiculousness. But, what is amazing is that some people are ecstatic with this scoop of a story.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 25th 2012, 15:46
If Dr. MUscat just gave " a hint" without mentioning names or what the act of corruption consisted of, then it follows that GonziPN ALREADY KNEW that JPO was involved in such a scandalous deal ! And yet they defended him and attacked instead, Dr. Alfred Sant !!! HYPOCRITES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 16:45
Something is burning Eddy Privitera!
It surely ain’t joey (who got what he planned) but probably freddy.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 25th 2012, 17:07
Fat chance Mr Micallef, even if, for argument sake, Joseph inadvertently let slip some info surely you don't believe that it was the cause of labour losing the election and that Dr Sant was back stabbed?
It is the gonzipn's strategy to try and get a wedge between Joseph and Dr Sant by making up a story about what was the cause of labours loss.
The truth is that the extra hour at the polls was the main reason.
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 18:56
Borg the only thing that's extra is you utter nonsense! As always PL in difficulty when tables are turned! The problem here is you have no Veto.
K CASSAR
Jul 25th 2012, 15:46
What difference does it make?? the point is Alfred Sant who had been dragged into the dirt because of this matter was right all along; and so another PN lie/excuse/scandal is uncovered. How many more of these do these people believe the electorate can take?
I think everyone agrees that a clean slate is the best alternative to be achieved only by election!
Alfred Vassallo
Jul 25th 2012, 15:43
Pawl qieghjad tiprova taqbad mal xejn! Ara dik il bicca meta saqsewk jekk Sant kellux ragun fuq il korrizzjoni tal Mistra....dik ma tridx tirispondija GHAX MA JAQBILIKX! ghalura hejdli min se jatti kassek fuq li qieghjad tejt hlief forsi xi erba imzazzen iktar minnhekk.
John Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 15:43
Kids these days... go play some xbox or ps3
David Farrugia
Jul 25th 2012, 15:40
PBO, among your other problems in your disintegrating party, please see how you can solve this:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120725/local/unemployment-up.430094
Franco Attard Trevisan
Jul 25th 2012, 15:39
ghadek ma dahhaktx bizzejjed PBO???
m'intix qed tinduna li izjed ma tparla fil-vojt fuq dan il-kaz izjed qed tgherreq lill-PN stess u lil hadd izjed??
Il-poplu m'ghadux iblah....
C BONDIN
Jul 25th 2012, 15:38
And it goes on and on & on on. Stop it please.
Get your head in place everyone cause as Freddie Portelli say: IL KBIR GHADU GEJJJJ!!!!
Barney Camilleri
Jul 25th 2012, 15:37
Dr. Borg Oliver, PN General Secretary
Wake up my friend, stop dreaming this way you are going to win support or win an election. This is only good in wine shops to talk about and kill time.
Please tell us after the election how are we going to start paying back the 6 billion that your paty incur on us.
Fleur Mifsud
Jul 25th 2012, 15:37
Stop this bickering,lets have an election and start afresh.
I m so fed up of politicions.
Colin Camilleri
Jul 25th 2012, 15:37
PBO, it seems to me your political career aspirations are over. GonziPN is feeding you into oblivion to reappoint Joe Saliba as PN General Secretary.
brian spiteri
Jul 25th 2012, 15:36
@ PBO
Int m ghandekx x tghamel jeww? Possibbli spiccajt daqshekk mhawad bis sitwazzjoni miskina li gibtu lill partit fiha li qed tirrepeti l- istess affarijiet? B` din l- strategija ser tirbah il- gvern? LOL.
Mark Brincat
Jul 25th 2012, 15:36
Illahwa issa x'ha naghmlu?
mattie vella
Jul 25th 2012, 15:35
@ cassar...
Muscat is on holiday after claiming instability!!!
The PN has been proved right. Miscat has alot to answer
Eddy Privitera
Jul 25th 2012, 15:49
Mattie Vella: Mela Gonzi tieghek kemm ghandu aktar x'jispjega, illi wara li akkuza lil-JPO bi FRAME-UP, l.ghada mar irranga mieghu biex jibda jikkonsulta mieghu, u jitlob il-permess ta' JPO biex jghaddi l-ligijiet ??????
Kurt Galea Pace
Jul 25th 2012, 15:35
Give it a break. Focus on bread and butter issues.
Victor Laiviera
Jul 25th 2012, 15:35
The PN, in its desperate search for a diversion – any diversion – to take people’s mind off the way it is coming apart at the seams, keeps shooting itself in the foot.
The more they keep this ridiculous fabrication going, the more they remind people of hoe dishonest ns cynical they were bin 2008.
Basically, they are admitting that even when they knew for sure that JPO was lying, they still backed him to the hilt, because for the, retaining power at all costs was the only thing that mattered.
Victor Laiviera
Jul 25th 2012, 15:34
"Nationalist Party general secretary Paul Borg Olivier yesterday revived the 2008 Mistra spectre but refused to say whether former Labour leader Alfred Sant’s pre-election “attacks” on Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando were justified."
The first sentence of the article says it all. Another monumental gaffe by PBO.
C. Sammut
Jul 25th 2012, 15:32
way too much info... get your house in order... the people are sick of all this!
Joseph Arpa
Jul 25th 2012, 15:32
Somebody pinch me.....am i watching a scene from 'Dumb and Dumber'!!!???
A Cachia
Jul 25th 2012, 15:32
I wonder who voted for PBO to be General Secretary!
John Zammit
Jul 25th 2012, 15:30
PBO even if what he is alleging is true The PN as a whole and Dr.Gonzi in particular should make an apology to Dr Sant for alleging that he was just throwing Mud at the PN
Toni Botta
Jul 25th 2012, 16:30
how about JM ask an appology to AS for the back stabbing, were is the loyalty from JM to his then leader.....either you people lost your mind or need profesional help.
Your all walking blind behinde a person who cost you the election by given away sensitive information during the most critical times.....then he has the face to say we have instability when he coased so much instabilty and trouble for your party.
god help us if this person ever become our nation leader, no wonder all these excuses about the state of our economy. well the fact is that if JM is elected I dont want some excusse about the state of the economy when prior to the election he'd gone around promising everything to everyone, reason for being in politics to create investment and jobs not to report on state affairs.
Tonio Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 15:30
Li jippurtani llum hux ha nirbah is-Super 5 illejla mela x'ghamel Joseph Muscat 4 snin u nofs ilu! Hallina PBO!
C BONDIN
Jul 25th 2012, 15:40
haha ogbitni din mate. kieku kieku waqa u kiser siequ habieb. Min jaf ux??. Kieku nahseb tiqafli qalbi, naqa u mmut kif nara l hames numri fuq it tv.
Tony Zammit
Jul 25th 2012, 15:30
Who cares who said to who especially after 4 years, let move to unemployment and how to improve this country economics.
Neville Pace
Jul 25th 2012, 15:38
Well employment and the economy is a successful record for the pn
J Cutajar
Jul 25th 2012, 15:28
@PBO: What the heck is your problem?!
Colin Camilleri
Jul 25th 2012, 15:27
Ohh PBO. Call it a day. We already know who is lying and deceitful and definitely it is not Joseph Muscat, nor the PL.
Do you know by any chance the unemployment is again up? Do you know that the European Commission opened in-depth investigation into Maltese tonnage tax scheme?
these are real issues, and not Mistragate? The PN won the last election deceitfully on this issue.
Paul@ Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 15:26
Is it possible that this guy has nothing better to do? Does he think that he is going to gain anything for the PN by continuing this subject that doesn't interest anyone at all? I prefer a nap right now than reading his repeated story.
W Cassar
Jul 25th 2012, 15:22
Go on holiday Borg Olivier ...has no one told you it's Summer!
F. Scicluna
Jul 25th 2012, 15:19
you talking now after 4 years? who is going to believe this spin? its ages since we heared your voice Pawl
C Agius
Jul 25th 2012, 15:18
nobody really cares, you know.
S Micallef
Jul 25th 2012, 15:17
can we move on to something more important please?
Who cares who told who? You have a country to run...get on with it.
John Caruana
Jul 25th 2012, 15:16
Tell it to the Marines Dr BPO.
Mario Spiteri
Jul 25th 2012, 15:13
Oh...enough is enough...
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