Massacre 'argument for more guns'
The head of an American firearms lobbying group has said the shooting at a cinema in Denver, Colorado is an opportunity to "loosen up gun laws".
Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America and a member of National Rifle Association, told BBC Radio 5's Stephen Nolan programme that anti-gun laws were "setting people up for this kind of disaster".
Mr Pratt told the programme: "It is very sad that there was a no-guns policy in that theatre and that nobody had thought to take a gun with them anyway.
"At a church in the same city four months ago something somewhat similar occurred but with a very different outcome.
"A dirtbag ran his car into another car in a church parking lot and stormed out of his car, killed a woman, and people were leaving the church at that time.
"So as soon as he did that somebody that had a concealed firearm drew down and killed the attacker, and his slaughter was put to rest immediately.
"So it is a clear take-away message from what happened, is 'don't go into gun-free zones unless you are willing to break the law'."
Asked about what New York mayor Michael Bloomberg's suggestion that the two presidential candidates, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, need to look again at gun laws, Mr Pratt told the programme he felt that was unlikely to happen.
He said: "I don't see the Congress getting involved with this.
"In fact I think this is going to be an opportunity for us to loosen up gun laws in this country.
"The idea that you tell people they've got to go into a public place without a firearm is setting them up for this kind of disaster.
"Most of our mass murders have occurred precisely where the criminal knew that he would find unarmed victims, and by and large he has been right."
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ROBERT HIDE
Aug 23rd 2012, 18:37
This happened in England (Dunblane) where one man killed about 12 children. So the Government made all those who held firearms legally give them up. So of course this left all those who did not hold a liscense to keep the weapons. Which give the criminals the edge. Not only that but England lost thousand of jobs for those who used guns for recreational target shooting. So now gun crime has increased.
Elvin Muscat
Jul 21st 2012, 20:02
Go back to the bad old ways, the wild west. Well thats one way to reduce the overpopulation I suppose, try that in Malta and within a ten year period we'd have our population down to about 350,000, unbelievable.
Please, give this guy a room at the inn.
victor caruana
Jul 21st 2012, 16:47
Let them have guns. But they should pretend we feel sorry for them when they misuse them.
Go ahead....kill each other.....is this in your constitution as well??????
Luke Formosa
Jul 21st 2012, 16:01
The problem with firearm bans is that the only law-abiding people will be affected. The person intending to commit a crime will simply ignore the law and procure a firearm from an underground source regardless.
So essentially what the ban does is make the perpetrator more powerful and the victims more defenceless. Plus, if there is no law banning guns, then it deters casual thiefs and the like, because they know that their victims will be armed and the chances of a successful hold-up or theft would be slim.
Ramon Casha
Jul 22nd 2012, 18:09
Simple. Prohibit gun ownership, and the only persons carrying a gun is a criminal. If everyone can carry a gun the criminal could have been standing right outside the threatre with the gun visible, and a policeman seeing this would keep on driving - perfectly normal to be there with a gun.
David Borg
Jul 21st 2012, 15:00
Firstly, I'd like to say that guns don't kill people. Its the people that kill, the gun is just an instrument. It is not a weapon until its used as one. Actually, a newspaper rolled a certain way can kill if struck on the head. Should we ban newspapers?
The problem in America is that gun control is far too lax. It is far too easy to get a gun. This means people of dubious character can kill people if that's what they want to do. The US Bill of Rights, and the second amendment to the constitution states that they have the right to keep and bear arms.
Being an ex competition shooter, I disagreed when guns were banned in the UK. I used to enjoy competition shooting until I was forced to give up my hobby and surrender my expensive customised S&W model 19.
I competely disagree with Mr Pratt. However, I can understand his intentions, no matter how misguided they might be. What is needed is more gun control, not less. The American constitution should be amended.
I started shooting in the UK in 1976. The criteria to get a class 1 firearm certificate was extremely strict. I had to prove I had a need for it. I had to be a member of a club for 2 years, I had to get 5 references from senior club members. No criminal record (even a parking fine would have to be declared). There was even strict criteria on how the secure gun safe had to be installed. Ammunition was also controlled and was entered on the certificate at every purchase.
The incident which led to the banning of handguns in the UK was a knee jerk reaction to the Dunblane school massacre. The guy involved, Thomas Hamilton should never have had a license as he was mentally unstable. It led to a change in the law, where now there are more guns on the streets than ever before.
David Hill
Jul 21st 2012, 14:31
And no one could ask why a 24 year old man was buying 4 guns and 6000 rounds of amunition with the law as it is?
Mr Kevin Zammit
Jul 21st 2012, 14:53
AND .... in the last 60 days!
Maybe those civil servants back there (or lack of them more likely) thought fly swatters were not doing the job for him?
A Cardona
Jul 21st 2012, 20:54
As long as the money gets going no one cares my friend. Dont be shocked if in the future one might even buy a nuclear bomb without raising eye brows.
Victor Pulis
Jul 21st 2012, 13:57
Carrying guns by citizens will not deter these kind of lunatics. In fact after they commit their massacre they usually kill themselves so getting shot at will not scare them one little bit! Remember that the perpetrator has the advantage of planning his deed while the bystanders have no clue of what's happening until the massacre occurs. Furthermore who in his right mind would start shooting in a public place with innocent passers by? Women ,children get in the way. The massacre would be multiplied god knows how many times over.
r buttigieg
Jul 21st 2012, 19:40
So it does not matter if men get in the way?
Victor Pulis
Jul 21st 2012, 13:51
To think that the most civilized (?) country on Earth has not progressed beyond the Wild West stage.
Victor Pulis
Jul 21st 2012, 13:49
Guns are glorified in the States. Just watch any movie and if you don't see a cache full of weapons at some moment in the film then it's not an Amercan production! What's more, They seem to solve every problem with guns and explosions. The gun is god in the USA.
Joe Felice-Pace
Jul 21st 2012, 12:42
I remember being in the States in 1969. It was the time when the most common poster stuck to the walls read: If guns are oullawed, only outlaws will have guns. Not that I have any particular liking for guns (I have never handled on) but there is much to chew in the message!
Mr Kevin Zammit
Jul 21st 2012, 12:32
And cases like this one then Mr. R. Bartolo
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-dies-after-us-church-shooting-16119571.html
Are most o these people that support gun ownership lobotomized perhaps?
If an individual goes beserk they will be unpredictable. If they know everyone can carry a gun then they will simply blow up the place. Putting in an explosive is basically simpler and more effective. The concern obviously is that these nut cases dont care whether they live or die after that. By reducing gun ownership you're never going to get rid of mental cases but you can actually reduce the damage they would do.
The maxim is simple. If you are bigger than me then I'm going to carry a knife which will prompt you to carry a baseball bat which will prompt me to carry a hand gun which would prompt you to carry an assault rifle which would prompt me to carry a machine gun which would prompt you to carry a hand grenade ...
See how stupid gun lobbyists are?
R Bartolo
Jul 21st 2012, 15:21
More tripe. Should become the national dish, and "Terminator" the national film.
Mr Kevin Zammit
Jul 23rd 2012, 12:53
Really Mr. Bartolo? And what do you call hijacking planes and driving them into buildings?
Ramon Casha
Jul 21st 2012, 12:18
Great idea. Dark theatre, everyone has a gun, someone hears a shot and next moment everyone is shooting at the shadow they THINK was the original shooter (since every shadow now has a gun and is aiming it)
Robert Callus
Jul 21st 2012, 10:58
The US has become a mini-cold war. Everyone arming himself more and more because the other guy is arming himself too. A vicious cycle.
And opportunists like this man, get more money and power by scaring people into buying more guns and use them more freely.
Mike Gatt
Jul 21st 2012, 10:53
"Mr Pratt told the programme: "It is very sad that there was a no-guns policy in that theatre and that nobody had thought to take a gun with them anyway"
They were going to watch a premier of a film for dickens sake not off to a war party. Why anyone should think that a gun is needed when going to the cinema is beyond me and very worrying.
Paul Ellul
Jul 21st 2012, 10:11
Imagine the scenario that Mr.Larry ' so aptly named' Pratt is suggesting.
All Ameican citizens should now carry a fire arm in th event that another citizen should open fire in public.
So Mr. X starts shooting in a shopping mall/ classromm/ theatre. All those around are now pulling their fire arm and start shooting at the Mr. X
Mr. X is now dodging his pursuers as bullets are flying evereywhere, more people being shot, either getting killed, or seriously wounded. More people are attracted by all the noise & commotion, drawing more arms and ammunition into the melee.
The Police will show up at some point and not know who started this and they start shooting at everyone else.
And just as the 'Wild West' once was, will be again.
Mr. Pratt, you are a prat indeed!! And a dangerous one at that.
R Bartolo
Jul 21st 2012, 10:49
What nonsense. Too much action TV methinks, and a hyperactive imagination.
Why not view this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18919608
Isola Danti
Jul 21st 2012, 11:07
That's the same scene playing in my mind when I was reading this report. I wonder if this insane Mr. Pratt got paid from arm dealers.
C Cassar
Jul 21st 2012, 09:36
Wow, is this idiot for real? Quote:
""It is very sad that there was a no-guns policy in that theatre and that nobody had thought to take a gun with them anyway."
Wrong, someone did take a gun and the result is now clear.
What's wrong with the American mine? Guns kill as demonstrated in this (yet another) sad incident. The culture in the US is rotten and this is proven each year when these things invariably take place.
R Bartolo
Jul 21st 2012, 10:56
To prove the point and contradict yourself in style:
"Wrong, someone did take a gun and the result is now clear."
Yes, despite the ban, someone did. So the ban is not working, because laws are only for those who wish to abide by them.
And because of the ban, no law abiding person could do anything about it.
The point being made by Mr Pratt is simply that no miscreant would venture into any locality where he or she knows that an equal response can be expected.
Do you think that there is any connection between the fact that there are far more break-ins and violent assaults on persons who are of a certain age, rather than on persons who are younger and fitter?
What you are implying is that faced by a potential mugger a young and fit person should not be allowed to defend themselves using more force than what an old and frail person.
It's a cliche - but very true - when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Guess who that suits best.
Why not ask the Brits, who despite a handgun ban since 1996 are experiencing the highest rates of firearm crime ever.
C Cassar
Jul 21st 2012, 13:11
What utter rubbish. A serious contrl of firearms would have stopped this incident from occurring. Guns are designed to kill and are used only for that purpose, full stop. Please go and educate yourself on civilised soceity where there is no place for such devices.
R Bartolo
Jul 21st 2012, 15:17
Mr Cassar - rubbish my opinion if you wish, but what I stated are simply facts, and only fools rubbish facts. Some of which you included yourself, and wherein I quoted you.
Tripe, I see, is your favourite dish.
Please choose the reason of your report below: