Updated: PN says Labour's four-year silence confirms its claims
The fact that the Labour Party kept quiet for four years since the PN first disclosed that Joseph Muscat had informed it that the PL would be targeting Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando over Mistra, confirmed that the PN had been correct, the party said this afternoon.
The PN was referring to a statement issued by the Labour Party earlier today in which the PL said that the GonziPN spin that Dr Muscat had passed on the information been started by former general secretary Joe Saliba in The Sunday Times four years ago.
In its statement, the PL said it was soruces from the heart of the PN who leaked the story.
Mr Saliba had told The Sunday Times four years ago that the PL had inadvertently given the PN hints about the case.
Francis Zammit Dimech said on a TV programme yesterday that Joseph Muscat was the PN's source that JPO was to be targetted on the Mistra project. In a separate programme, Beppe Fenech Adami said Dr Muscat had leaked the story to the PN media.
These statements showed that GonziPN was inconsistent even in its lies, the PL said.
This was a farcical GonziPN conspiracy theory to protect its clique. GonziPN knew who, from within the PN, had leaked the Mistra contract and made sensitive contracts public on the eve of the election.
In its statement, the PN said that when Dr Muscat had passed on this information, he had said that the MLP's attack was going to be on a prominent PN candidate.
Now that four years had passed since Mr Saliba said that it was Dr Muscat who had disclosed this information, the PL was trying to find a means of getting out of what its leader had said.
When Mr Saliba first made his statement, the MLP had not denied the claims, confirming that what Mr Saliba had said was true.
It was only now, in a panic reaction, that Dr Muscat and the MLP were trying to deny this in a weak attempt to cover what Dr Muscat had done. This was confirmation that Dr Muscat was an amateur and a coward.
The PN noted that, in its statement, Labour did not deny that it was Dr Muscat who had disclosed the information but alleged that it was somebody within the PN that leaked the Mistra story to Labour.
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brian spiteri
Jul 24th 2012, 15:44
@ Joe Vella & all PN bloggers
Ghall inqas Joseph Muscat zamm il- partit maghqud, dak li intom tahsbu li huwa infallibbli, il- kap tal partit taghkom qasam u kisser il- partit. Issa mhux il- Labour qed jikkritikakhom, jew l- AD, izda id- deputati taghkhom stess. Wara dan id-disgwit, tahwid u intricci li ghandkhom fil partit ghadkhom ma tghallimtu xejn ghax taqra dawn il- bloggs titkexkex, ghadkhom tahsbu li intom xi razza superjuri u ghandkhom xi dritt sagrosant li tmexxu lill pajjiz!!!
Kevin Wain
Jul 20th 2012, 01:12
I am pretty sure that most people who read this are befuddled and, will find it impossible to know exactly what the real story is about . The PNPL duopoly continue to use their political muscle to spin deceit and, in the process endanger our country at a time when we should be considering our option in a menacing world economic. Amateur should not only be used to define Joseph Muscat but the whole lot.
Joe Vella
Jul 19th 2012, 23:38
It is better if Joseph Muscat says nothing because when he speaks he says nonesense.
G Tonna
Jul 19th 2012, 23:20
To all those labourites who have the national interest at heart but at the same time are hungry for power, please have patience and wait until the time comes for the election. And you can never tell how it will turn out. Judging by the fact that the Nationalist won six out of the last seven elections, one can reasonably argue that the odds are in their favor.
G Tonna
Jul 19th 2012, 23:09
Ma tistax tafdah lill Joseph!
Iehor bhal Fredu.
A Tonna
Jul 19th 2012, 21:56
'Francis Zammit Dimech said on a TV programme yesterday that Joseph Muscat was the PN's source that JPO was to be targetted on the Mistra project.' This is the only thing that FZD said related to the subject. Otherwise he refused to answer the direct questions put to him regarding the crisis the PN is in, especially about Franco Debono's statement.
L Zammit
Jul 19th 2012, 21:30
That Dr Muscat was an amateur and a coward is a foregone conclusion. They now try to make up for their leader's lapsus by citing the PN as liars, but it is well and truly known it is the PL who are a bunch of traditional liars.
michael catania
Jul 19th 2012, 20:40
I hope that to- days voters will see through this fabrication by the desperate conservative forces.Seeing that the election was won by their party and now they are in coalition, I think its time the President stepped in and reminded gonzi pn that according to our constitution the LP WON THE MAJORITY OF SEATS and so now has the right to govern and in my book gonzi pn is illegally holding on to power. Its time the constitutional court looked in at the latest developments.
Joe Tabone
Jul 19th 2012, 21:46
Michael,
PN won the majority of the votes (that's why Jeff is still supporting the PN).
It seems that there are still people who believe that LABOUR can govern with a majority of seats and not popular support!
Edward Curmi
Jul 20th 2012, 09:35
HA ha..are you serious..I prefer a coalition government..than an amateur one !!
Michael Magri
Jul 19th 2012, 18:29
Well.. As far as I am concerned, this is nothing else but yet another nasty spin by the experts of the GonziPN`s `Klikka`. It`s as clear as crystal.. MUD SLINGING.. With the hooooooooope (!!!) of `some` will stick..!! LOL:):):)
What a joke.....!!!
John Mifsud
Jul 19th 2012, 18:21
Desperation in the PN camp reigns galore.
This political party is at its worst.
It is in disarray.
It is in dire need of an overhaul.
The earliest, the better, for the sake of the party, its supporters and Malta in general.
Today's electorate are very, very different to those of 20, 30, 40 years back. Put this in your thick head.
All this may be too late in the day.......
Doreen Attard
Jul 19th 2012, 18:18
I don't really want to discuss this subject. It's so very evident that this is an eve of election spin. However what I would like to say is that the PN seems to have run out of spins, since this is the same one of four years ago. It's just been given a bit of paint. The new PL leader has to be brought in otherwise they won't be able to sell it.
Personally I think that only the hard core nationalists will buy this one. I say go and tell it to the marines.
M Grima
Jul 19th 2012, 18:17
The only real issue is that GonziPN is crumbling again (with apologies to Gordon Pisani) and no amount of spin and fabrication of lies will alienate what we are witnessing.
Charles Massa
Jul 19th 2012, 18:08
Tal PN dejjem hekk, iridu jaljenaw il poplu billi jaghmlu stejjer fuq haddiehor specjalment Dr Muscat. Ahjar jaraw l inkwiet li ghandhom intern.
Henry Mifsud
Jul 19th 2012, 17:59
If by not denying claims made against one it is automatically confirming that what was said was true, then GonziPN has a very long list and a tall order of admittance to arrogance, mismanagement, corruption, spinning, fomenting hatred, nepotism, cheating, double facing, back-stabbing, etc., etc.,
f. agius
Jul 19th 2012, 17:44
@J.C.Borġ
M'huwix giedeb meta qalulna li d-dawl u l-ilma mhux ser jgħola? Meta qalulna li ser inaqqsu l-income tax? Meta ħafna ħaddiema ircevew ittri personali fejn iggarantulhom l-impjieg tagħhom, qalulhom li ser jaqilgħu iktar flus u wara sabu s-sensja? Meta lill kaċċaturi u n-nassaba wegħduhom lil mhu ser jonqoshom xejn minn dak li għandhom? Sa fl-aħħar budget daħku bina,kellhom inaqqsu 40 miljun minnu, 7 mijuni minnhon mis-saħħa. Jekk dan mhux giedeb kif ikun il-giedeb?
RONALD ARRY
Jul 19th 2012, 18:16
u kemm qalu izjed min hekk mr agius, ma tiftakarx kemm qal efa sant qed ibezza nies,il gas ma qalulnix li mux ha joghla lanqas, ma qalux li ha jatu lilom infusom 500 ewro, ma qalulnix li il hajja mhix ha toghla , dawn al min nesa weghduna li ha nkunu ahjar fkollox , u nerga nghid fkollox , ax money no problem tiftakruwa di??alijom imma money no problem, ax qed jamlu min kollox biex izanznu lparlament il gdid bla bzonn , fil gvern ghalhekk qed itawwluwa
Leo Said
Jul 19th 2012, 17:42
The PN seems to be again in need of a healing saviour as was Dr.Louis Galea for the PN way back.
cesco di luigi
Jul 19th 2012, 17:41
everything is irrelevant..who leaked what to whom wont make any difference to the running of the country...one thing is for sure we have to get back to business and the Government badly needs to be led by a majority.
Aaron Vella
Jul 19th 2012, 17:50
Hello... (?!).. If the PN are saying the truth, that Joseph Muscat betrayed his Party (leader) and shared information with them.. Oh, I'll stop, it's useless trying to explain this with you.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 19th 2012, 17:41
While Joe saliba said "......PL had inadvertently given the PN hints about the case." The two Amigos BFA and FZD said the JM was the leak , the source.
Now when it comes to credibility of the three Joe Saliba would win hands down. He was truthful enough in 1998 when he said "Ghamilna minn kollox biex inwaqghu il-gvern" and in 2008 he was the one who publicly said the JPO should resign immediately. He did not back stab anybody as others are doing after using JPO as a lemon, using subtle means to discredit him with poison pens.
So how do these 4 years of silence prove anything , look like PBO is on one of his trips after drinking the wrong kind of tea, most probably he forgot to add the sugar.
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 17:40
@Colin Camilleri
"What makes GonziPN and the Delimara Power Station so similar? They are more OFF than ON, and when they are ON they emit only BLACK SMOKE"
Whoever heard of black smoke?
Enemalta has been denying that this comes from the Marsa plant though ALL fingers seem to point to that direction!
(jb)
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 17:38
Remember how they used to gloat and glee because they used to say that Labour was divided.
Now the ball is in their court and they cannot exactly apprehend what really hit them - so the spins and fabrications!
Mind you more are on their way - just remember the 2008 election with the viscous onslaught on Dr Sant and you will know what is on the way!
(jb)
Colin Camilleri
Jul 19th 2012, 17:30
What makes GonziPN and the Delimara Power Station so similar? They are more OFF than ON, and when they are ON they emit only BLACK SMOKE.
Mr Albert Dimech
Jul 19th 2012, 17:29
This is just spin! Recycling a baseless assertion made 4 years ago, PN in shambles!
Ray Buhagiar
Jul 19th 2012, 17:29
It's not just whether or not MuscatPL gave the information to GonziPN, but also whether or not MuscatPL colluded with JPO in order to attack RCC. Looks like Franco Debono for the time being is loosing the center stage.
I think that in this spin MuscatPL took the bait and lost.
Next round please.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 19th 2012, 17:59
Ray Buhagiar, please read the article again. Jm did not 'give the information' but the Pn is merely saying that from hints he gave, they deducted that JPO would be targeted. Different completely from what you are saying.
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 17:28
"The fact that the Labour Party kept quiet for four years since the PN first disclosed that Joseph Muscat had informed it that the PL would be targeting Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando over Mistra, confirmed that the PN had been correct"
Can the PN indicate exactly when they FIRST disclosed that Dr Muscat had informed it that the PL would be targeting JPO?
So is it OK for them to now target JPO? - who is one of their own AND who helped them win the election - even if by a whisker!
So, let say that the PN was right BUT how does this effect the pockets of the working people who are feeling the pinch of GonziPN by the ever rising cost of living e.g. cost of gas cylinders, exorbitant W & E bills and cost of fuel - to mention just a few!
Was it right when GonziPN & pals took the princely €500 a WEEK versus the miserable €1.16 given to the people. Was this in THEIR (people's) interest?
Go on PN and issue more statements by the dozen to enlighten us. By now we have got used to your spins!
The people would SOON talk by their vote!
(jb)
(jb)
m. borg (slm)
Jul 19th 2012, 17:42
Simply trying to deviate attention of their remaining faithfuls.
J Busuttil
Jul 19th 2012, 17:25
I have the feeling and have always being saying that there is more to come PL's way and Joseph know's it. The Nationalist spent four years taking the pinch and leaving Jospeh's best till the end. The PL media has spent these years beating the drums and now the tide is turning. PL apologists prepare your guns as you will be needing them this is just the beginning of the truth.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 19th 2012, 17:42
Wishful thinking.
Patrick Zahra
Jul 19th 2012, 17:23
Who cares who told who what? Better invest your energy and imagination in doing what you all are paid to do ie govern this country in the interest of its citizens, all of them.
Jason Zammit
Jul 19th 2012, 17:17
If JoeyPL will be prime minister how will he take Malta forward........Kiku bravi nitfaw it tajn pero ajdulna ftit xser taghmlu jekk il Lejburisti ikun fil Gvern.....Lunika haga tajba il ghamel JoeyPL hija li bidel Larma tal Partit pero bdaqsekk we are not impressed
Mark Piscopo
Jul 19th 2012, 17:02
Jiddispjacini nghid li l-partit Nazzjonalista qieghed jaqa' ghar ridikulu.Jekk kieku stess kienu jafu bl-iskandlu tal-Mistra mill-PL ghalfejn hallewh jikkontesta lil Jpo kif wkoll ghamlulu t-timbu sabiex jkunu gurnalist u jidhol fil-PBS. Fl-opinjoni tieghi l-PN ghandu bzon tmexxija gdida, visjoni aktar liberali li Mario Demarco biss jaghti lil dan il-partit glorjuz.
michael catania
Jul 19th 2012, 20:48
Mark why do you feel sorry for this conservative rabble. Its a party of the far past and the soon they die a natural death, the better it is for the nation at large. Then if you want to return to the 19 century thats your business
f. agius
Jul 19th 2012, 17:00
@J.C. Borg
L-ikbar kastig tal-giddieb hu. meta jgħid il-verita' u ma jkunx emmnut. Tant intqal giedeb mill PN matul dawn l-aħħar snin li jgħid x'jgħid mhux ser ikun emmnut.
J.C. Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 17:07
@ f.agius - Naqbel ma dak li ghid, imma flok PN suppost ktibt MLP/PL.
Oghqod attent/a li ma jmurx jigrilek hekk inti wkoll!
Rodnick Abdilla
Jul 19th 2012, 16:48
Ara ahna x jimpurtana min dan il lghob ta tfal, fejn ser naslu jinteresana mela dan il hafna kumidji, gvern li waqa il pajjiz ar redikolu b tattici ta tfal biex min ghalih jasal ximkien , ahjar tghidilna flokk meta qallek jospeh muscat ta jpo, tghidulna x qal john dalli fl ezekuttiv u ahjar naraw x ser nghamlu ghax belahtuh pajjiz
Joseph Micallef
Jul 19th 2012, 16:40
GonziPN... it's useless trying to throw mud at PL... call an election now as you were supposed to do years ago and we'll show you whom we trust... ijsa... ijsa... rabbi ftit kuragg... mur ghal elezzjoni jekk m'intix coward.
silvio loporto
Jul 19th 2012, 16:34
If the two parties think that it is their right to spoil our day to day life,the way they are doing,than they are surely misstaken.
They should give us a break,we have all had enough. The only way,as I see it, of putting an end to all this, is have the P.M. call an election and leave it to us to decide who merits to govern us.Is it possible that the Prime minister cannot see this? We are all just fed up.
All this is making most of the voters resolute to abstain, as I will be doing,if this situation prolongs itself and to hell with all of them. Enough is enough.
anthony bartolo
Jul 19th 2012, 23:42
Silvio Loporto, the more you try to hide your colour the more you reveal it.
f. agius
Jul 19th 2012, 16:32
L-uġieħ tal-poplu, hu l-għoli tad-dawl u ilma ect. Il-PN jista jghid il-verita' kollha, għax xorta waħda mhux ser jkun emmnut.
J.C. Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 16:43
f. agius - "Il-PN jista jghid il-verita' kollha, għax xorta waħda mhux ser jkun emmnut" - Jigifieri, inti qed tghid li anke jekk il-PN ikun qed jghid il-verita' kollha, xorta waħda mhux se jkun emmnut??
U tahseb int li l-poplu hu tant iblah li ma jafx lil-min ghandu jemmen???
Liemu hu l-partit li jibni l-politika tieghu fuq il-GIDEB???? A very easy question to reply to.
Neil Zammit
Jul 19th 2012, 17:04
@ J.C. Borg - Liemu hu l-partit li jibni l-politika tieghu fuq il-GIDEB???
Il-PN niftakar ghamel hekk fl-ahhar elezzjoni jekk mhux sejjer zball le?
Joseph E Briffa
Jul 19th 2012, 17:19
F.agius...il-familja fil-bzonn, 30 000, wahda minn kull hames familja MA jhalsux ir-rati l-godda ghax jiehdu l-vouchers u jaghmlu tajjeb ghalihom dawk li qghdin jaqalghu bizzejjed biex ihallsu l-kontijiet. Gej bl-ugih tal-poplu. Iddahhaqx nies.
Peter Simpson
Jul 19th 2012, 16:31
If the Maltese can believe this thrash, then God help us.
B Attard
Jul 19th 2012, 16:31
Kindly behave boys !!!!!!!!!
Alfred Vassallo
Jul 19th 2012, 16:22
Jahasra min sa jemen izjed il pn, meta issa qazzu lil kulhadd bil kummiedji li qed jaghmlu.
Il-lum il nies qeghdin skantati bil l-affarijiet li hargu mil kamp tal pn u mhux hekk biss imma imnixfin bil kwalita ta gideb li hareg fil berah. U min jaf x'hemm izjed, ghax dik il kbira.
N. Agius
Jul 19th 2012, 16:15
What a great irresponsibility to leave the country in this state till God knows when!!!! This is leading to uncertainty in various sectors which will eventually lead to more problems.. Poor us....
victor caruana
Jul 19th 2012, 16:15
The issue is not the mistra saga, neither JPO or Franco or Dalli or Mugliette. The ISSUE is the FRACAS at GonziPN.
victor bonello
Jul 19th 2012, 16:07
Politics in Malta has never been so dirty. In the old days when Mintoff was there, a spoon was a spoon and a spade a spade. It was when politics lead by lawyers and professionals especially within the PN that all this filth began. We are now so tired.. we need a Maltese Spring ( Cleaning)..
Joseph Brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 16:02
PN that leaked the Mistra story to Labour.
During that meeting Mr Dalli spoke, among other things, on how his email had been hacked and his suspicions that people from within the PN could be involved.
GONZI PN IS IN A MESS
Charles Micallef
Jul 19th 2012, 16:00
I am sick, sick sick to the teeth of this childish behaviour by the ones who ought to know better!!!
Please give us a break!!!
Angelo Vassallo
Jul 19th 2012, 15:58
j brincat
"The lesson that we learned from the whole Mistra saga is that now we know which is the party that the people can really trust AND this is certainly not the PN"
We shall take it that the party the people trust that you are referring to is ALTERNATTIVA DEMOKRATIKA if not the PN.
Mr Albert Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 16:02
a drowning man will clutch at straws.
what is really infuriating on this island is that when talking politics, nobody can call a spade a spade. This familial bias to which we're subject is the real ruin whereby lump in together good and bad and childishly avoid to recognize both aspects of the coin.
Lawrence Fenech
Jul 19th 2012, 15:55
@Gonz, life is full of surprises prepare yourself for another one!
M Darmanin
Jul 19th 2012, 15:51
Politics !!!!!!! what a mess!!!!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 19th 2012, 15:44
GonziPN are so desperate in the situation they find themselves in, that they are inventing fairy tales and clutching at the proverbial straws, to try and deviate attention from the miserable state theIr party finds itself in ! AS JOHN DALLI HAS JUST TOLD THEM. GONZIPN HUWA PARTIT IMFARRAK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 19th 2012, 16:08
Eddie Taken-for-a-ride Privitera if you say so I may start to think that you’re right. After all you are a firm believer and regurgitation expert of fairy tails! Svizzera fil-Mediterran so the fairy master said. Yes Yes replied Eddie telling all and sundry what he heard on TV and other media Svizzera fil-Mediterran, Svizzera fil-Mediterran.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 19th 2012, 17:27
Joe Micallef: Ara min kellu ragun flok nircievu l-miljuni mill-UE QED INHALLSU MIJIET TA' MILJUNI BIEX INSALVAW LIL STATI MEMBRI TAL-UE!!! KELLNA BZONN KONNA BHAL LI SVIZZERA - LI MHUX FL-UE, JEW INSEJT ???
MHUX AHJAR TINQALA MILL-PASSAT U TGHIDILNA FTIT HUX SE TWASSLU SAS-SENA D-DIEHLA ?
Thomas Mifsud
Jul 19th 2012, 15:44
GonziPN couldn't be more hilarious than this. Blaming others for not pointing out their wrongs. How lower can you go?
F. Scicluna
Jul 19th 2012, 15:40
your game is over , you are trying to find an excuse.You need a good General Secretary
Deo Catania
Jul 19th 2012, 15:38
3 different people, 3 different lies. And they want us to believe what they are saying? They are simply desperate.
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 19th 2012, 16:00
Yes, you, joey and jpo are simply desperate. Keep digging!
Vince Piscopo
Jul 19th 2012, 16:42
Not digging but we will surely keep on convincing and strenghtening our movement while GonziPN heads on for a steep defeat to pay for this mess!
Mr Ernest Vella
Jul 19th 2012, 15:36
ghax ma kixfux lil Joseph Muscat 4 snin ilu? JPO huwa traditur u mhux ser tkun din li tnessini x'ghamel f'din il-legislatura...forsi wasal iz-zmien li jitwaqqaf partit Demokristjan ghax il-PN nesa gheruqu.
X Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 15:28
You know what - I don't care.
Gorg Sciberras
Jul 19th 2012, 15:26
The Labour Party is becoming irritating. Newspapers should start calling them JoeyPL if they keep referring to the Nationalist Party as GonziPN.
Thomas Mifsud
Jul 19th 2012, 15:45
Gorg, you can call the new movement what you like. Whatever you call them they're not a regime, its GonziPN who dictates.
Joseph Camilleri
Jul 19th 2012, 15:49
Well the GonziPN idea was the Nationalist Party's own doing, so I don't understand why you are complaining about it.
Its the brand that, we were told, tipped the scales and won the day for the party in 2008. Thus Labour are justified to call it by its name. And please note, its not LorryPN, or GonzoPN, or WenzuPN, so even on this count, your "joey" tag holds no water.
In conclusion, look at the bright side: soon enough the "GonziPN" brand will become history.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jul 19th 2012, 15:51
Wasnt it the nationalist party that invented the Gonzipn logo?
K. Vella II
Jul 19th 2012, 15:56
The PN chose to brand itself GonziPN for the last electoral campaign. The term was not coined by PL, as you're insinuating.
Anthony Grech
Jul 19th 2012, 17:16
Hey Gorg, you were so proud of calling yourselves GONZIPN. What happened now? Is it that you too is realising that GONZIPN is in a mess? Gonzi with his GONZIPN managed to ruin the real Nationalist Party.
Gorg Sciberras
Jul 20th 2012, 12:47
Thomas Mifsud: I call the "movement" the Labour Party, because that's what it is officially called. Unfortunately, I cannot call them socialists, because they are not, they are not conservatives, and they are not liberal (in the real sense of the word). I would also suggest looking up the word regime and while you're at it, democracy.
Joseph Camilleri: I trust you understand the difference between a logo and the name of a party. I also hope you have a sense of homour.
K. Vella II: I never insinuated that Labour came up with GonziPN. I am just irritated they keep on using it when referring to the Nationalist Party. By trying to ridicule, their message gets lost on many people.
Anthony Grech: I am not part of the nationalist party, and I did not vote last time round, so your comment is slightly out of place. From outside, my view is that the Nationalist Party has been ruined by Pullicino Orlando, that Debono guy and to a lesser extent Mugliett. The administration is also responsible as they allowed all three to stand for election four years ago. With Pullicino Orlando they really did not have a choice at that point, but with the other two, I think the signs could have been there. I wonder how Joseph Muscat would have dealt with such a situation in similar circumstances (ie majority of one MP).
Victor Laiviera
Jul 19th 2012, 15:18
One can understand how desperate the PN is to find a diversion - any diversion - to take the people's mind off the way it is falling to pieces.
But this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Surely, they can do better than this?
Joseph Aquilina
Jul 19th 2012, 15:37
The only think I understand is the panic on PL in discovering what alleged role their leader had in the last election. Joseph Muscat has only one what how to clear his name, if he does not take that path then we all know what the truth really is ...
Joseph Gatt
Jul 19th 2012, 15:59
No, they can't do better than that.
N Chetcuti
Jul 19th 2012, 15:08
This is what JPO had to say on who leaked what in an interview in the Sunday Times, November 1, 2009 :
“I never expected the same people who used me to try to attack me, destroy my credibility and try to hound me out of parliament.”
Dr Pullicino Orlando also says he is informed that people within the Nationalist Party had leaked the Mistra story to the Labour Party and that an internal investigation was underway."
What happened to that investigation?
Tony Fenech
Jul 19th 2012, 14:44
If Joseph Muscat stated at a political program four years ago that soon there was going to be a scandal revealed, that was not a leak, it was told to all the audience, there is a difference between a leak and giving hints of what was expected to be revealed. Joseph Muscat did not leak to the PN strategists personally the name of JPO involved in the Mistra contract. He hinted that soon there was a scandal going to be revealed,.What the PN did ? Scrutinized all their candidates and eventually they found out who it was through their own sources by just going through registered contracts, clicking on a computer in the public registry office. It definitely was a PN insider that revealed the leak from starters otherwise the PL did not have that capability to get hold of the Mistra contract. PL still behind PN money wise in technology and even in opposition gives them disadvantages unless someone from the PN itself leaked such a contract. They will remain so until they become wealthy and obviously be in Government again to gain control of offices concerning Government documents. That is why we have a parliament and questions asked by members of parliament of so and so, and how is this and that, mostly asked by the opposition, so that to get a reply. Dr. Joseph Muscat panicked the PN as proofed by Gordon Pisani testimony at the PN executive in his words: The PN were crumbling. What Dr.Joseph Muscat did not know that Dr.Alfred Sant would walk out from the TV debate. The reason was, he did not accept JPO attending as a journalist, who just got a card that qualified him as a journalist . Peppi Azzopardi himself claimed that he instructed JPO how to handle the situation or the mess. That was the fulcrum why MLP lost the election. A simple gentleman's mistake not to confront JPO there and than.
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 19th 2012, 16:43
@ Tony Fenech,
May I kindly ask how old you are?
Excuse my interest, but the way you pose the question who might have been that leaked the contract to Alfred Sant, must show that you are still innocent and perhaps naïve to understand that anyone can leak such a contract, especially someone who may be close or even very very close to JPO who could perhaps leak such a copy to Alfred Sant or the MLP media, for many different reasons (hate, anger, spite, etc…)!
Food for thought!
JC.
Joseph Aquilina
Jul 19th 2012, 14:36
If this is just a lie, then why doesn't JOSEPH MUSCAT sue the two NP MPs for libel??
Eddy Privitera
Jul 19th 2012, 15:49
Joseph Aquilina: Alla hares Joseph Muscat joqghod jinhela jghamel il-libelli ghal-gideb kollu li ieku jijghidu fuqu - U ANKI FUQ ULIEDU - ghax kieku ma jibqalux jum wiehed ghax-xoghol tal-partit u bhala Kap tal-Oppozizzjoni !!!!!!!
fill-fatt lanqas Lawrence Gonzi ma jaghmel libelli, minkejja li jsiru hafna akkuzi fil-konfront tieghu, inkluz minni. Allyura jfisser li kull ma jintqal fuq awrence Gonzi huwa mija fil-mija minnhu ???
Joseph Aquilina
Jul 19th 2012, 16:43
@Eddy Privitera
Are you serious!! Joseph Muscat has no other way then to sue for libel if he wants anyone to believe him. There are allegations and allegations; this is a serious allegation and PL's reaction shows it all!!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 19th 2012, 17:29
Joseph Aquiina. qieghed turi li TIBLA KULL GIDBA li tohrog mill-fabbrika talgideb tad-Dar Centrali ! Il-PL diga hareg stqarrija jew lan
Eddy Privitera
Jul 19th 2012, 17:36
Joseph Aquilna: Minn meta HRAFA saret allegazzjoni serja ? Il-PL diga hareg igiddeb il-HRAFA li vvintaw Beppe Fenech Adami u Francis Zammit Dimech. JPO stess kien stqarr li li storja tal-Mistra ZVELAHA wiehed minn ta' GonziPN li ta' GonziPN JAFU MIN HU !!!
Bl-Ingliz jghidu: You are clutching at straws. Jien anzi nghidlek: you are also trying to clutch at shadows !
Eddy Privitera
Jul 19th 2012, 17:41
Joseph Cauchi Senior: Tithassarkhom tarakhom tirrepetu bhal pappagalli l-hrejjef li jivvintawlkhom li strategisti ta' GonziPN - Austin Gatt, RCC u Joe Saliba !!Il-PL diga qal li l-informazzjoni inghatat lill-PL minn persuna ta' GonziPN, u mhux il-kontra kif ivvintaw li strategisti ta' GonziPN !!!
Id-disprament qieghed igieghelkom tivvintaw kull hrafa forsi tingabru xi ftit !
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 19th 2012, 14:35
The question is not if JM did pass this information prior to Alfred Sant’s actions, but was Alfred Sant informed that Joseph Muscat was to pass this information to the PN - with the approval of Alfred Sant himself - ?
That is the question!
JC.
Jonathan Scerri
Jul 19th 2012, 15:27
Read: "inadvertently". I guess you know what it means.
Deo Catania
Jul 19th 2012, 15:42
Joseph Cauchi Senior, keep trying and hoping, you never know, Gonzi might award you some gold medal.
George Cutajar
Jul 19th 2012, 14:30
My God how hot Labour apologists get when their leader is implicated in any way.
When the PN defended JPOS back in 2008 they were unaware of the mess he had got himself into. Had he been honest enough to let the Party know what he had done things might have taken a different turn and he probably would have been asked not to contest.
With hindsight one can now ask - Why did Dr. Sant delay making the infamous Mistra rent agreement public ? Was anyone behind the decision that left the agreement hidden from public view? These are the questions that Labour should answer and explain.
Mark Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 14:27
The bottom line is: Who REPEATEDLY LIED and MISLED the public to win the last general election? Hardly a brain teaser of a question!
John L Galea
Jul 19th 2012, 14:23
GOnziPN have never stooped so low. And then they trumpet themselves as the shield of Christianity and morality. This is sickening to say the least.
Donna Parnis
Jul 19th 2012, 16:02
Gonzi pn is up the creek without a paddle, they are trying to blame everything on the Labour party now to try and get their voters back but we have all seen what has been going on since January and all the lies and back lashing that Gonzi and his famous click have been doing, Sorry Gonz but you have lost all credibility, thats if you ever had any. How the PN supporters can claim Labour is incompetent amazes me, Dont you see what your leader has been doing to you all, At least some have had their eyes opened.
Joe Vella
Jul 19th 2012, 14:22
It is quite obvious that Alfred Sant was backed stabbed during last election by those he trusted. It is either that or the PL is totally incompetent, How else would one explain the fact that the PL electoral Programme was so amateurish? It is your call. Waiting for the Gloom and Doom to tell us.
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 14:02
Whilst talking of political spins and frame ups (in this towering inferno) why PBO is all silent as regards the remarks that Commissioner Dalli made during the video conferencing of last Tuesday?
And Commissioner Dalli is one of their own!
(jb)
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 13:58
@Francis Saliba M.D.
"It is highly significant that the essentially similar versions of the Mistra leakage from Joseph Muscat to the NP spread over four years were never challenged"
AND it would be MORE than significant were you to beef more your argument which really doesn't hold any water.
We live in Malta and by now WE all know who are the King of spins!
(jb)
Joseph Aquilina
Jul 19th 2012, 15:28
In four years Joseph Muscat never took legal actions against anyone who did these claims ... why? why? Does the argument need any more beefing up then the fact that for 4 years PL stayed silent and said nothing!!??
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 19th 2012, 15:54
@ J brincat, today at 13:58.
Intelligenti pauca (Tr: to the intelligent person a few words suffice). That is why I will not waste my time to "beef more" my argument for your benefit.
Robert Agius
Jul 19th 2012, 17:57
“Man is so intelligent that he feels impelled to invent theories to account for what happens in the world. Unfortunately, he is not quite intelligent enough, in most cases, to find correct explanations. So that when he acts on his theories, he behaves very often like a lunatic.”
― Aldous Huxley
...panem et circenses!!
Mr Christian Cassar-Torregiani
Jul 19th 2012, 13:58
There is no inconsistency from the PL’s side : in 2008 it used the JPO situation to depict what was a (very) uncomfortable scenario for the PN, while in 2012 it is using the new JPO (and other co-MP’s ) situation for what is now an even more uncomfortable situation for the PN.
Whether this is acceptable behaviour for an opposition party in what has now become and unofficial election campaign naturally depends on whose side one is on.
However from a more objective point of view, isn’t it about time that all this unproductive mutual bickering comes to an end and an election is called ?
I can’t honestly see what good one could achieve by waiting any longer, and ultimately it’s the people who have to decide where to go from here.
Franco Attard Trevisan
Jul 19th 2012, 15:27
I agree....
both parties are in no rush as it's giving them time to gear up for the actual election.... as you very well stated we are in an 'unofficial election campaign'
Also, 2008 was the first time Gonzi won an election by himself and wants to be remembered as having stayed in position for the full term... On the other hand, Joseph Muscat is probably trying to come up with some sort of 'plan' to govern.... In the meantime we are the ones sponsoring a new parliament for these comedians!
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 13:55
@John Zammit
"Sorry the Difference between the two parties was around 1,500 "ONE thousand five hundred" in 1996 there was a difference of 9,000"
Sorry again you HAVE completely misunderstood me - the odd 9000+ votes refer to those obtained in the last election by JPO AND which won the GonziPN the election!
(jb)
Pierre Mangion
Jul 19th 2012, 13:49
this charade has been dragging too long and making a fool of the whole country and not just the political parties themselves.
whether through convenience or not, more crucial matters pertaining to the daily lives of those living in malta are being side stepped because our poltical system does not multi-task - it cannot bicker at each other and from within, whilst drive the van!!!
Franco Attard Trevisan
Jul 19th 2012, 13:37
Let's say for argument's sake that Joseph Muscat did leak the information to the PN... Wouldn't this have been a 'favour' from JM to the PN??? So why are they now trying to attack him on this instead of thanking him for having 'won' the election since thanks to this leak they were given time to prepare a defense?
Cannot see any logic in this situation...
One thing can be said for sure... Dirty political tricks (FROM BOTH PARTIES!) are really sickening and surely do not do any good to our beloved country. YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED TO CALL YOURSELVES POLITICIANS
The day still has to come when Malta will have decent political parties to choose from cos all we have at the moment is a bunch of idiots who instead of trying to do something fruitful for the country, they waste all this precious time attacking each other... Parliament has been degraded to a kindergarten school... GROW UP GUYS!!!
Joseph Aquilina
Jul 19th 2012, 13:57
Seriously??? With his actions - if indeed confirmed - Joseph Muscat ruined any chance for Sant to become PM paving the way for himself to become leader of the party!!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 19th 2012, 14:50
@ Franco Attard Trevisan today at 13:37.
This blog is not about "favours" from Joseph Muscat to the Nationalist Party. As if!
It is about alleged treasonable underhanded collusion by Richard Cachia Caruana (alleged by JPO aided and abetted by elements in Joseph Muscat's LP) and which has since been dispelled because of witnesses who failed to make an appearance to give viva voce evidence.
The blog is about the counter allegation of collusion by Joseph Muscat with elements inside the Nationalist Party. These have been going the rounds publicly for the past four years, they have never been contested and now, in the RCC/JPO aftermath, the LP is trying to downplay them and to dismiss them as "spin".
Franco Attard Trevisan
Jul 19th 2012, 15:39
@ Joseph Aquilina
So what?? It still wouldn't be the PN's business would it!! You are confirming what I wrote in fact... JM did the PN a favour and instead of thanking him he is being attacked by the PN... It is very obvious that while the PN are in the middle of an internal war, they are trying to provoke war inside the PL and shifting the spotlight... In the meantime our parliament is closed for 10 weeks!
I for one don't give a rat's ass about political parties.. I care only about our country and am sick and tired of so called 'politicians' who bring their party before the country!! It's disgusting to say the least!
I said it before and will say it again... we do not have politics in Malta but POLITRICKS! no more no less.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 19th 2012, 13:37
Instead of worrying how the gonzipn got to know of the Mistra case how about worrying how the case came into PL's hands.
Someone somewhere either had a grudge or wanted to get rid of JPO before the elections of 2008.
Donna Parnis
Jul 19th 2012, 16:05
Maybe JM just walked in there and took them lol. im surprised that Gonzi hasnt already stated this yet, maybe hes waiting for the go ahead from RCC. or DCG.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 19th 2012, 13:34
It is highly significant that the essentially similar versions of the Mistra leakage from Joseph Muscat to the NP spread over four years were never challenged.
M Grima
Jul 19th 2012, 13:27
Are you serious Francis?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 19th 2012, 15:59
@ M Grima today at 13:27.
Yes, I am serious, very serious. Your comment, please, if you have any worth submitting. Then stand back.
M Grima
Jul 19th 2012, 13:26
Ha. ha, ha the PN thinks that the Maltese electorate are a bunch of morons who cannot distinguish the hypocrites from a movement which inspires responsibility, accountability and absolute fairness.
G Schembri
Jul 19th 2012, 13:24
It seems that in their desire to hang on to power, GonziPN are letting all their cats our of the bag. The longer they stay there the more this nation which is no longer stupid are seeing through all their lies and spins. Carry on stay there till March we might learn the truth about the 80s what was the real truth and who was doing all the spins.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 19th 2012, 13:23
Instead of worrying how the gonzipn got to know of the Mistra case how about worrying how the case came into PL's hands.
Someone somewhere either had a grudge or wanted to get rid of JPO before the elections of 2008.
Ronnie Callus
Jul 19th 2012, 13:22
Hallihom Sur. Muscat lil PN ghax tant huma mahruqqin li lanqas jafu x'inhuma jghidu ghax jafu li dak li qallhom Austin Gatt li se' jghamlu 20 sena ohra fil-Gvern kollu sarilhom suf. Qatt ma' kellhom Partit imfarrak daks kemm hu illum. Viva Gonzi pn ghat tmexxija tieghek.
Richard Caruana
Jul 19th 2012, 13:20
Yet, not a word of rebuttal in the above. Makes one wonder.
anton murcia
Jul 19th 2012, 13:15
Will BOTH political parties give the Maltese friendly people a break this summer ? The newspapers will also have more space to print really worthwhile news, considering many people's poor knowledge of what's happening outside this little speck called Malta.
Finally, about the imagined crisis in Malta, some people should look at our youth in Spain ( 50 % yes fifty percent unemployed ) before commenting. You are lucky, here in Malta. The economy is working right for you. Take care.
Joe Vella
Jul 19th 2012, 13:07
There is no question that Alfred Sant was undermined last Election. He was undermined by the very ones he trusted. The PL Electoral Programme was full of holes and ill researched proposals. The question is who had the most tot gain by Alfred Sant loosing the election? Guess. one doesn't need a PHD to figure that one out.
Emanuel. Vella.
Jul 19th 2012, 15:00
illum 19-7-12,il-partit nazzjonalista
is 'full of holes' and 'ill',sur joe vella,
@ to-day,13:07.
Joseph Camilleri
Jul 19th 2012, 13:06
Spin? Sue, and the truth will come out in court.
Carmelo Sammut
Jul 19th 2012, 13:05
ehh Beppe tkompliex tarraq is sitwazzjoni tal partit ga ghana taffig
pat muscat
Jul 19th 2012, 13:05
Desperate times need desperate measures; hence the stupid (its not even Machiavellian) spin that GonziPN wants to thrust down our throat! This latest spin reads like a page from Barbara Cartland's soap novel; you know whats coming-in bags full- from the very first page of the novel/saga!
John Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 13:00
@ Geroge Cutajar
Are you forgetting how the Nationalist Party in opposition had milked dry the Cottonera marina issue that troubled Alfred Sant's government in 1998?
Yes Dr Cutajar the Nationalist Party has a rich history marked with politics of convenience.
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 12:57
@George Cutajar
George Cutajar
"Beyond........., he was their target on Mistragate"
And this target won you the election with his odd 9000+ votes and a crying act which GonziPN applauded as seen on TV!
(jb)
John Zammit
Jul 19th 2012, 13:31
Sorry the Difference between the two parties was around 1,500 "ONE thousand five hundred" in 1996 there was a difference of 9,000
Carmel Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 15:59
JPOS increased personal votes, but these did not reflect in votes gained by the PN. In fact a week before the election, surveys saw PN leading by 3000+ votes. After the JPOS tantrums, PN votes went down by 1500+ votes. So in reality JPOS did not win the election for PN but almost lostit for them.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 19th 2012, 12:56
George Cutajar: For examples of "political convenience" you should knock on the door at Dar Centrali ! You will find too many instances for your liking ! Starting with the way the PN used the Church and religion - even putting it in the party's motto: "RELIGIO ET PATRIA " . And ending in the way John Dalli was sent to Brussels, and Louis Galea to Luxembourg so that Lawrence Gonzi getsv rid of two probable contestants to his leadership !
Joseph Aquilina
Jul 19th 2012, 15:08
Joseph Muscat can always use all the tools provided to him by this democratic country of ours in order to clean his name. He can file libel charges. However I guess PL might be scared of the truth!!
Joseph Micallef
Jul 19th 2012, 12:54
All this is irrelevant. If this was the case... GonziPN should thanks Dr. Muscat for providing such information and for... subsequently winning the election. Isthi GonziPN jekk taf... we all know, you want to deviate the attention of the general public from your precarious party state.
ALBERT FENECH
Jul 19th 2012, 12:52
"These statements showed that GonziPN was inconsistent even in its lies, the PL said."
This is astonishing. Would the PL have us believe that the GonziPN spins lies? Well - maybe some small white lies, or perhaps a consistency of inconsistent lies - or is it even worse than that - a whole whopping and consistent load of inconsistent lies? This is hard to credit. After all the GonziPN claims that "democracy was restored" by the PN in 1987.
ALBERT FENECH
G Schembri
Jul 19th 2012, 13:17
" After all the GonziPN claims that "democracy was restored" by the PN in 1987." Yes that is the greatest lie of all.
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 12:52
@George Cutajar
"My my how times change when political convenience demands so"
Take a quick look at your party and you will readily have your answer!
(jb)
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 12:50
@George Cutajar
"Beyond who leaked what to whom as this story is bound to develop further it is amazing how Labour, for their convenience started colluding with the rebel MP's to try and bring the PN down"
From the stories we have been hearing and reading about these days it was SOMEONE else who was reputed to have colluded with the PL then Labour and it was not JPO!
And we are intelligent enough to come to our own conclusion, PN's executive meeting outcome or not!
(jb)
Nicholas Borg
Jul 19th 2012, 12:49
Muscat is trying to exculpate himself from the fact that he inadvertently gave away the PL's plans to expose JPO during a reception prior to the 2008 election. It would be more interesting if he or the PL tell us from where they got a copy of the Mistra contract that JPO had not told the PN about and that was only revealed in the last day of the campaign.
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 12:46
But how can the PL blame the PN about spinning?
It's obvious why this is being done. As it goes 'what goes round comes around' and the boomerang has done its full circle and hit the PN straight in the face sending it 'spinning and reeling' and thrown it in a total state of confusion!
That should explain it all!
LOL!!!
(jb)
(jb)
Mr David Ganado
Jul 19th 2012, 12:45
Inconsistent??? They all said it was Dr. Muscat who gave away the story.
How more consistent that that can they be?
Eve Axiaq
Jul 19th 2012, 13:53
If it was Muscat who gave the story, then who leaked the information to the PL? Xi klikka??
George Cutajar
Jul 19th 2012, 12:39
Beyond who leaked what to whom as this story is bound to develop further it is amazing how Labour, for their convenience started colluding with the rebel MP's to try and bring the PN down. In colluding with the rebels Labour showed it's true colours. JPOS is now their hero and favourite. He has helped them no end and this when, only four years ago, he was their target on Mistragate.
My my how times change when political convenience demands so.
G Schembri
Jul 19th 2012, 13:15
You are right Mr Cutajar, how times change, remember in 1998 who the PN colluded with, no other than the former MLP leader, the famous Duminku Mintoff, a person they had demonised for the previous 30 years and the following years to the present time.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 19th 2012, 13:21
Can you prove that PL colluded with JPO, no need to bring you to some committee just give proof here, otherwise button up.
As regards Mistra, not just the PL but the majority of the people haven't forgotten, except that a lot have discovered how they were lied to and embezzled of their vote.
When JPO put up his cry-scene it was not him that was shedding croc tears but the whole of gonzipn.
M Grima
Jul 19th 2012, 13:21
Yes George times have really changed. Is JPOS the same PN member was was offered a ministry by a certain 'village lawyer' and which the PN apologists are now trying to character assassinate? This is the same guy whom your party helped in stage managing the 'Mistragate'.
Mario Camilleri
Jul 19th 2012, 13:22
This is a another spin when you said that the PL is colluding with the PN rebels especially JPO whom you said has become a PL hero.
Well you seem to have a short memory or intentionally trying to divert the PN's situation which is a kind of civil war within GonziPN. I remember when the PN wanted Mintoff to be crucified prior to '87 but in '97 since there was the LP in government with Alfred Sant as PM, the PN made Mintoff their hero. That is hypocrisy and there no change in times only that your're diverting from the present reality which by the way is becoming entangled day after day and not because of the PL but everything is coming out from within the PN itself. The worst of all this is the fact that the PL has lost elections to PN when now we're seeing that the PN's sins go as far back as 25 years and more.
Now about the PL colluding with JPO and promoting him as their hero: what is actually going on is the fact that the PL today is showing that Alfred Sant was right all the way and that he never was a mud slinger, as you (PN) always stated.
Furthermore, the PL is showing the double face of GonziPN who did the utmost to spin the issue and gain all the support to win the 2008 election, which in fact Gonzi won when the PN knew all along what was going on at Mistra. It's hard to believe that in such a small island like ours, the top hats would know nothing that is going on around them especially when million of liri of contracts are involved!!!
Carmel Zammit
Jul 19th 2012, 12:35
Another spin in the making. Joseph had nothing to leak. If JPO was to be targeted it would be public. So where is the leak? This is simply an attempt by loser gonzipn to deviate attention from its ballooning woes. Looks like we are set for a farcical gonzipn summer or are we?
Michael Sciortino
Jul 19th 2012, 12:34
Seems that there are no summer holidays for the dirty tricks departments of the major parties. They must be costing their respective parties quite a lot since all of them seem to be working overtime.
The CIA, MI6, Mossad are amateurs compared to this lot. Leaks, secret recordings and whatever.
j brincat
Jul 19th 2012, 12:33
The lesson that we learned form the whole Mistra saga is that now we know which is the party that the people can really trust AND this is certainly not the PN with all its spins and character assassination. There are also the spiteful blogs which the PN does seem that eager to restrain.
(jb)
m. borg (slm)
Jul 19th 2012, 12:27
Who the hall gives a muck who leaked the case to gonzipn, it makes more sense if gonzipn concentrate on who passed the Mistra case to Dr Sant, in the first place.
What are RCC's minions trying to prove?
Please choose the reason of your report below: