JPO 'felt ill' over Labour's Mistra revelations
The Prime Minister’s spokesman, Gordon Pisani, revealed for the first time details of two conversations he held with Nationalist MP Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando on the eve of the 2008 election, quoting the backbencher as feeling “ill” over Labour’s revelations about his land at Mistra.
The conversations were held on March 6, the last day of the campaign, immediately after then Labour leader Alfred Sant had revealed the existence of a contract which confirmed Dr Pullicino Orlando’s plans to turn his field in Mistra into a discotheque.
The scandal helped the PN paint Dr Sant as a coward since he refused to confront Dr Pullicino Orlando face to face. However, it also soured relations between Dr Pullicino Orlando and the party’s administration, since he was accused of withholding key information from his superiors who were coordinating his defence.
Called up by Mr Pisani, Dr Pullicino Orlando was asked whether he had a lease contract for his land at Mistra. He responded by asking: “Why?”, according to Mr Pisani’s notes.
When Mr Pisani explained that Dr Sant had published the contract, Dr Pullicino Orlando said: “I’m feeling ill”, repeating that line several times and saying he could not come as Mr Pisani ordered him to rush to PN headquarters.
“Is your contract worth hundreds, thousands?” asked Mr Pisani.
“Isn’t it better if you didn’t know?” replied Dr Pullicino Orlando.
“Tens of thousands?”
“Big amounts,” was the MP’s reply.
The second phone call was made after Mr Pisani went to the office of then general secretary Joe Saliba, at Pisani Buildings, where there was also Mr Cachia Caruana. He explained to them what happened and then called Dr Pullicino Orlando to inform him that the messenger went to his house but did not find him there.
“The party is crumbling. Come now,” Mr Pisani says.
Dr Pullicino Orlando arrived with his lawyer Alex Perici Calascione, saying he had the right to make a contract and this did not amount to corruption. He said he entered into the contract to have a good income, according to Mr Pisani.
He was told to release a statement and go straight to the police commissioner.
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joe briffa
Jul 19th 2012, 07:26
I have one suggestion to JPO...if he has confidence enough n himself.......make a political party because Malta needs it,but play it wise....
Ms.D. Galea
Jul 18th 2012, 23:44
The ex-green politician of the year persists in nsulting the intelligence pf ALL Maltese.,no matter what.
E. Azzopardi
Jul 18th 2012, 23:31
I think the whole nation is feeling sick. And don't we have enough reasons to be? It is going to be a very sick "summer" indeed.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 18th 2012, 20:35
@ Andrew Camilleri, today at 16:13
No, I do not object to the recording of a telephone conversation by one or both the participants in that conversation and its use in self-defence. It is happening all the time.
Eavesdropping on the conversation between others, recording it surreptitiously and publishing the record to cause harm is a totally different kettle of fish.
Joe Tabone
Jul 18th 2012, 17:22
The only reason why Jeffrey felt ill was because he tried to hide the truth from his Party! Strange how he decided to collude with LABOUR?!?
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 15:58
Recently, when the Labour Party released some taped conversation, the usual blue propogandists started blogging that it was illegal, immoral, illicit, disgusting etc etc to record someone's conversation with out his permission, Now we have GP, the PM's spokeman, without any shame at all, releasing the transcript of a private conversation he had with JPO. Isn't this also illegal, immoral. etc?
Mr Joseph Apap
Jul 18th 2012, 17:43
If you had to called in court to give evidence then under oath you have to tell the truth, nothing but the truth
and that is not the same what one news has done in the past two days
Is there any proof that the recordings are real and not manipulated ones for convenience of politics and to further slander RCC
A. Borg
Jul 18th 2012, 20:06
Mr Joseph Apap
Nahseb li kieku manipulati ga qieghed fuq l-ghatba tal-qorti biex jaghmel libell!
D Schembri
Jul 18th 2012, 15:52
hmieg u korruzjoni.
Ms Xaxa Caruana
Jul 18th 2012, 15:51
Gonzi, ara ma jfettilikx isejjah elezzjoni issa ta, ibqa hemm sa l ahhar gurnata......halli jkolli iktar x naqra....mil lum sa Marzu 2013, Alla biss jaf , kemm ha jiqalu sigrieti min taht lart.
TUTTI CONTRO TUTTI.
Steve Mifsud
Jul 18th 2012, 15:26
Pathetic, look at you all squabbling over these politicians as if any of them deserve anyones respect. You are all like sheep being led up a path.....Baaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaaa. Regardless of who wins the next election (but we all know who will), our lives will continue to get harder, society will continue to spiral downwards and the politicians will continue to make promises that you will all swallow....AGAIN......Baaaaa baaaaaaaa
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 18th 2012, 15:24
JPO has been let down by Joseph Muscat, Karmenu Vella and Joe Mizzi!
They used him to inflict as much damage as possible on the PN.
Now that JPO has lost the battle, his ‘friends’ Joseph Muscat, Karmenu Vella and Joe Mizzi are deserting him.
JPO made the cardinal mistake of trusting his “enemies” – because they were using him on the pretext that the enemy of my enemy is my friend!
And JPO fell for it!
There is only one honourable thing for JPO to do; and he knows it. Get on with it.
One thing for JPO to learn in life is NEVER AND NEVER SLEEP WITH THE ENEMY!
But that’s too late now.
JC.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 15:55
Nonsense! Do you really expect Labour Mps to go before a Nationalist party disciplinary committee? They knew the Labour MPs would not go - so now they are making a song and dance of it. of course, you do not mention the Commissioner of Police. He did not go either. What's your spin on this one?
R. Cilia
Jul 18th 2012, 15:21
JPO should come clean about the Mistra saga. He should tell the public what he did and say who advised him to go to Alfred Sant's press conference and behave as he did. Now I am convinced that politics are dirty and that the PN classifies as grade A in this aspect.
Joseph Grech Attard
Jul 18th 2012, 15:13
@Dr. F. Saliba MD
Wrong doctor. Absolutely wrong. According to Pisani GonziPN knew!! And it panicked and RCC came to the rescue and asked JPO to follow Dr. Alfred Sant everywhere and to cry. WHY? Only to find a good excuse to throw mud at the MLP and to Dr Sant, but, then hiding one's hands. That is typical of PN and GonziPN. And that yes, more forcibly than ever, is evil impersonated and work of the devil. But then that is nothing new. It runs in many PN supporters from the times of Terinu, and more recently the lie of EFA. with regards to Dr. Sant . Their way of doing politics has never changed. GonziPN should take heed of what FD is saying and change their tactics.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 18th 2012, 16:42
@ Joseph Grech Attard, today at 16:13.
I am not at all wrong . You are being deceptive.
What Godon Pisani said was that the Prime Minister and himself only came to know on March 6, the very last day of the electoral campaign when Alfred Sant revealed the existence of the contract, very belatedly. Therefore “Pisani GonziPN” had not known in time.
You may care to note that it was Alfred Sant – not anyone in the Nationalist Party – who declared openly that he would enlist the help of the devil himself if that would earn votes for the MLP. So, please, stop nattering about the Nationalist Party in connection with any “evil impersonated and work of the devil”.
G Schembri
Jul 18th 2012, 18:36
Francis Saliba M.D. It amazes me how a learned man like you does not make a difference to what his party says and what are the true facts. Alfred Sant did not say he was going to enlist the work of the devil, he was misquoted as saying so by your party. From my experience people who are planning evil do not go and broadcast it for all the world to hear. As Lawrence Gonzi if fond of saying Judge not a man by his words but by his actions. Gordon Pisani did not say that he and Dr Gonzi did not know about the contract, he said he had asked JPO whether he had a lease contract for his land at Mistra. Asking a question does not mean you don't know the answer.
M Grima
Jul 18th 2012, 14:52
To all those nationalists who were sucked up by the weeping of their little puppy (now turned villain) in 2008 at the PBS studios please note that these latest developments and drama are for real. Their party was crumbling in 2008 (Gordon's words, not mine) but today it is quickly vanishing!!!
P BORG
Jul 18th 2012, 14:40
2008 - “The party is crumbling. Come now,” Mr Pisani said.
2012 - Sadly ... Indeed it is..... indeed it is.....
Anthony Pace
Jul 18th 2012, 14:25
Was this income amounting to over 100k euros a year declared income and subject to tax or siphoned off to an overseas account? Is the tax return subject to public scrutiny as in all EU countries?
Richard Galea
Jul 18th 2012, 14:10
JPO has to apologise the labour party, enviromentalist and nationalist party for what he commit about the mistra scandal.
Henry S Pace
Jul 18th 2012, 14:01
@ Eddy Privitera
You are still dreaming about the last election.
Will Labour apologise after the 1981 Election from the gerrymandering of the electoral districts.?
G Schembri
Jul 18th 2012, 15:30
Henry S Pace, was there any gerrymandering of the electoral districts in the 1996 elections? In that Election
@ Henry S Pace = MLP polled 132,497, PN polled 124,864 that is 7633 less than the MLP, yet MLP had 31 seats and the PN 34 seats, it was only due to Article 52(1) of the Constitution of Malta that the MLP recieved 4 seats and was able to govern. In the 1981 election there was no Article 52(1) of the Constitution of Malta and according to the Constitution MLP were the legitimate government. Like the PN are the legitimate government now and even though they know they are not a stable government they say they will continue to govern till the end because the Constitution gives them the right to do so, even though it is against the will of the people. History is repeating itself it is now the PN who are governing against the will of the people.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 18th 2012, 13:41
Dr Edward Fenech Adami : "MIN MA JIGGIELIDX IL_KORRUZZJONI HU KORROT"
They knew there was something wrong about the MIstra case yet they decided to DEFEND it simply not to lose an election.
Stephen Grech
Jul 18th 2012, 13:25
So, Gordon Pisani called JPO, recorded the conversation and then all PN party officials declared that Dr.Sant was inventing things right?
My I ask who is the liar or liars in this pre election saga?
pat muscat
Jul 18th 2012, 13:22
Its too late to say how Alfred Sant was right, cause GonziPN is reaping the benefit of deceit, and by the look of it, he does not want to let go:' iggranfat ma siggu li m'hux tieghu!
Richard Caruana
Jul 18th 2012, 13:13
What has (maybe conveniently) been left out from the above conversation is that when asked to look for the contract JPOS did not find it at home. He looked everywhere twice and still couldn't find it.
Wonder of wonders, who had 'stolen' it?
Victor Laiviera
Jul 18th 2012, 13:05
Sweet irony!
In order to defend itself against one of its own - JPO - the PN is having to reveal how dishonest it was during the last election.
Victor Laiviera
Jul 18th 2012, 13:01
The bottom line of this story is that the PN knew that it was selling the people a lie and it went on regardless, as its sole aim was to win the election at all costs.
Chicken invariably come home to roost or, as we say in Maltese. "iż-żejt jitla' f'wiċċ l-ilma".
D Mifsud
Jul 18th 2012, 12:54
So Dr Sant among lots of other was right on
---Mistra Village Contract
--- Going into the EU means that we will have to accept what big brothers say and we will loose control v over country policies (latest example is the retirement age)
--Smart City being a property speculation project.
Just remember how Dr Sant was portrayed when he stated the above. And now we have to give him credit that he was right. AND the others were wrong
R Axisa
Jul 18th 2012, 14:51
u bil-wicc tost kollu niftakar qabel l-ahhar elezzjoni il-PN kienu ghamlu billboards bil-qassati ta' Alfred Sant. Illum iz-zejt tela' f'wicc l-ilma u jidher bic-car kemm dawk il-qassati ghamluhom il-PN stess! Kemm kellu ragun Alfred Sant!
N. Agius
Jul 18th 2012, 12:28
This goes to show what goes behind the scenes in politics. The truth is something rare in the political scene. All you have to do is be persuasive and convincing in your arguments and the people will believe you even if you lie. Jaqq!
Thomas C. Cassar
Jul 18th 2012, 12:21
Min illum qed jitkaza bl-iskandlu tal-Mistra u fl-2008 vvota PN nissuggerilu jaghlaq halqu.
W Azzopardi
Jul 18th 2012, 12:39
Min tkaza bl-iskandlu tal-Mistra jigiefieri l-partit laburista illum haga wahda ma JPO, u JPO haga wahda mieghu. Tghid Ghaliex??
Thomas C. Cassar
Jul 18th 2012, 13:20
Il-media tal-PL qed taghti spazju lil JPO ghax f'dan il-pajjiz 'demokratiku' dan mhux qed isib spazju fil-media l-ohra. Kif kien ghamel Pierre Portelli ma MIntoff jekk mhux sejjer zball fl-1998?
R Axisa
Jul 18th 2012, 14:56
Sewwa qed tghid Thomas C Cassar. Ghadni niftakar qisu l-bierah lil Pierre Portelli jxandar fuq Net TV dirett mid-dar tal-perit Mintoff.
Rigward l-iskandlu tal-Mistra, hareg bic-car kemm il-PN kien jaf b'kollox imma bil-makkakkerija kollha tieghu ried idawwar kollox fuq Dr Sant. Iz-zejt tela' f'wicc l-ilma u issa qed naraw min hu l-giddieb!
G Tonna
Jul 18th 2012, 12:18
Definately a liability to the Nationalist party, but also one to the Labour Party because his saga has unleashed the true ethic and moral values of the new leadership.
Willie Grech
Jul 18th 2012, 12:53
What has Labour got to do with the Mistra scandal? If anything, it was Labour who revealed all this. All the PN did was cover up for JPO because in that time he was one of them. Now that it seems that he can be discarded, they are revealing this scandal which they themselves did everything to cover up. Remember the coaching lessons given by a certain Peppi Azzopardi of Xarabank who has a monopoly in the State broadcasting?
M Grima
Jul 18th 2012, 14:46
You are mixing the 'hass' with the 'b***' Mr. Tonna. If anyone lacks ethical and moral values it is GonziPN and his masters of deceit and half-truths.
Christina Sammut
Jul 18th 2012, 12:14
JPO's lies, delusions and collusion with Joseph Muscat, Joseph's family and the PL have back-fired one big time. Truth will always prevail Mr Pullicino Orlando. I mostly welcome this very good news re Richard Cachia Caruana.
M Grima
Jul 18th 2012, 14:31
Well the guy was coached by none other than Peppi Azzopardi of WE's fame. Moreover, the biggest lies have been coming from those connected to the GonziPN and if anything has backfired, it was the cover up which your beloved party orchestrated on the Mistra saga. But the end justifies the means for getting a few more votes which ensured a PN election victory in 2008. And if you think Dr. Gonzi got rid of his problems, wait a few more weeks to witness the ultimate implosion of GonziPN.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 16:01
It did not backfire for the electorate as we know know how GonziPN operates in the background. The disgusting filth that is churning up makes you want to avoid politicians like the plague!
charles tabone
Jul 18th 2012, 12:05
Dik irgulija! Min jista' jagda lill-PN. L-ewwel juzak imbaghad bhal-lumija maghsura jitfghek f'geng it-triq.
Lawrence Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 12:34
JPO asked for it and he is now reaping what he sowed. And the MISTRA LIE goes on and on.
Reinhard Azzopardi
Jul 18th 2012, 13:52
Sur Tabone, ha nispekola biss hawn jigifieri tiehux il-kelma tieghi bhala vangelu. Min jaf jekk JPO intuzax minn certi nies fil-partit laburista biex ihammeg lil Alfred Sant fl-2008 u issa qed jintuza mill-istess nies biex ihammeg lil partit nazzjonalista?
Antoine Vella
Jul 18th 2012, 12:03
Alfred Sant was not credible when he accused Pullicino Orlando.
Sant had falsely accused so many people - almost the entire PN cabinet - that, on the one occasion that he was right, nobody believed him.
He had cried wolf too many times.
Joseph Busuttil
Jul 18th 2012, 12:35
So what do you say from the above conversation. Who was saying the truth. You remember the crying on MTV.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 18th 2012, 13:40
Get a life Antoin it is evident gonzipn knew all about Mistra, they even ".......his superiors who were coordinating his defence."
In Eddy's Fenech Adami own words "Min ma jiggielidx il-korruzzjoni hu korrot" which means that gonzipn was not fighting the Mistra case but was defending it which is a worse case of corruption.
Antoin if only you had an ounce of integrity Dr Alfred Sant has, so far many tings Dr Sant said have come to pass and no one can deny that.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 16:04
Love your spin, Antoine, but you are avoiding the most important fact: that GonziPN used JPO for thier own purposes, fooling the Maltese electorate to vote for him, and then trying to get rid of JPO. Once fooled never again!
Robert Agius
Jul 19th 2012, 09:42
Accusations always fly; that's politics. Resignations never happen though, because people in power can do as they please with a 1 seat majority.
Anthony Borg
Jul 18th 2012, 12:01
This is turning out into a very nice novel. Nearly shakespeare!
George Azzopardi
Jul 18th 2012, 11:59
and the PN saga continues
John Borg
Jul 18th 2012, 11:58
Let us not forget that JPO declared that in this whole affair the Prime Minister told him to follow Richard Cachia Caruana's instructions ,and this is what he did
Jeffrey Mallia
Jul 18th 2012, 11:52
And with this incident, the absolute PARTIT NAZZJONALIST painted Dr Sant as a devil and JPO as a hero...........So why didnt Gordon Pisani reveal this story when it broke ?? Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites
JOSEPH MUSCAT
Jul 18th 2012, 11:34
I am begining to think that the Maltese who voted for the nationalist party are even more DAFT than I thought.A party with no princepals what so ever.They should call their party THE CATHOLIC FAITH PARTY,Compare Dr,Sant to this people as a poletisian he is an ANGEL.
Ian Mamo
Jul 18th 2012, 11:58
Let's not over do it tough, an Angel? He wasn't about the trees in Maghtab XD. He was right about this case, 100%, but for some reason he didn't want to confront this. Y!!?!?!?!?!?!
Joseph Borg
Jul 18th 2012, 11:27
Why dr gonzi kept jpo and got rid of john dalli is beyond me. In the jpo case, he knew that he was lying whilst in the dalli case he chose to believe a lie. Please someone explain.
Mr Duncan Scerri
Jul 18th 2012, 11:52
Dalli was (is) a direct threat to his position as party leader. JPO is not.
R. Cilia
Jul 18th 2012, 14:51
Gonzi has a way of doing things. He knew that JPO was lying but if he were to admit it, it could have caused the PN to lose the election. He then punished JPO by not giving him a ministry .The maltese saying goes " Id-dnub ma jorqodx'
john muscat
Jul 18th 2012, 11:22
Corruption galore, past, present ,future! No accountability whatsoever and never.
T Mifsud
Jul 18th 2012, 13:33
Is this not accountability?! He's fired!
R ferriggi
Jul 18th 2012, 11:22
what an actor,,, what a farce.
firstly,, he is in the worng place. secondly, the sooner he leaves the scene, the much better.
what a prima donna.
M Grima
Jul 18th 2012, 14:36
I agree with you, Dr. Gonzi after the self inflicted problems which he had shoved under the mat, should call it a day and make way for Edwin Vassallo to become party leader.
Oh that was really a bad dream!!!
Manwel Sinagra
Jul 18th 2012, 11:21
May be I am being naive. However, in it's attempt at payback for JPO's actions of late, isn't the PN indicting itself?
m. borg (slm)
Jul 18th 2012, 13:43
Exactly.
Revenge is blind to its own ruin.
Victor Calleja
Jul 18th 2012, 11:17
Illum hierga l-onesta ta Dr. Sant. Il PN dejjem hekk kienu min zmien Terinu, sa zmien id dnub il mejjet u sa tbazwir li jinsabu fih illum.
Fl-ahhar ghad jinkixfu aktar affarijiet li saru fit tmeninijiet u id delitti li saru. Id dnub ma jorjodx.
Henry S Pace
Jul 18th 2012, 11:16
JPO Cried and pleded to Dr Sant but not it tuned ou to be crocodile tears.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 18th 2012, 12:11
Henry S. Pace: You see now how your PN had won the election ? Don't you think Dr. Sant and the PL deserve an apology from Lawrence Gonzi, if not also from JPO ?
Samuel Falzon
Jul 18th 2012, 11:07
One has to recall Labour's campaign in 2008... the Mud Slinging at Dr. Sant... as defence to this cover-up.
Dr. Sant is here proven right once again... not to mention that JPO's crusade and theatrics with assistance of the people at Pieta’ and the infamous Coach…
It’s easy to point fingers.. when all goes wrong… but as they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating.. and now dinner is served…
Not Sour grapes but.. a reminder that a week in Politics turns into a life time of episodes…
So one has to commit to memory, that in 4 and a half years things may have been forgotten or deliberately put a side.
Joseph Aquilina
Jul 18th 2012, 11:18
It is clear that PN knew even less then Labour and Sant regarding the Mistra case; in facts they asked JPO for an explanation. Once JPO gave his explanation; they told him to go to the police!! It is clear that PN acted in good faith all along!!
Samuel Falzon
Jul 18th 2012, 11:37
@ Joseph Aquilina:
I tend to disagree with your theory... but I respect your line of thought, because that is what supposed to happen normally.
But this time round a different perspective is being given as fromwhat is being written and said: “The party is crumbling. Come now,” shows panic and lack of control.. and Good Faith this time round is not a good excuse.
Joseph Micallef
Jul 18th 2012, 11:43
His "infamous coach" must carry his reponsiblities as well. Or this person is never to blame!
Mario Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 10:47
Hawn xi ħadd għandu l-ardir jgħid li Alfred Sant kien ġiddieb jew li kien qed tjitfa t-tajn fuq JPO. Iż-żejt dejjem jitla f'wiċċ l-ilma. Il-ħasra hi li l-ħsara tkun saret.
Filfatt il-bieraħ qadt nisma lil JPO jitkellem fuq One breakfast news u semma kemm iddefenda affarijiet fosthom ħadha kontra s-sementerija fis-Siġġiewi, kontra l-ħoffra ta' RCC quddiem il-Konkatidral ta' San Ġwann, il-barrieri maġenb it-tempji tal-Imnajdra u qadt attent nara jsemmix id-diskoteka fil-Mistra. Imma oħroġ 'il għaġeb ma semmiehix il-Mistra. Mela llum aktar u akatr għandu r-raġun Alfred Sant.
Joe Sammut
Jul 18th 2012, 10:46
No it’s peanuts, just around €1,900,000 rent !!!!
anthony vella
Jul 18th 2012, 10:45
Il-hmieg li kien hemm qabel l-elezzjoni ta 2008 hiereg fil-berah ghax id-dnub ma jorqodx.
Joe Sammut
Jul 18th 2012, 11:58
Veru siehbi:
Inkjesta fl-Air Malta li ma gietx ippublikata.
Ministru jahseb li l-pulizja konfoffa ma’ ta’ drogi u jhalli kollox ghaddej. Sant ma’ jaf b’xejn, dik serjeta!!!
Gidba oxxena lil kap tieghu minn JPO, li jirrizulta wara li kien qed jimbotta minn wara biex jinhariglu l-permess (X’ma tibkix!)
Ex Ministru jghati ix-xoghol lil-ufficju tieghu fuq bridge li dam sejjer seklu.
U issa sirna nafu li kien hemm majjalata wara l-vot li tnehha RCC , u kumbinazzjoni Karmenu kellem lil Jeffrey!!
Meditate Gente, Meditate.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 18th 2012, 12:15
Joe Sammut: Insejt li l-partit tieghek ilu fil-gvern dawn is-snin kollha ? Ghaliex ma ppublikax l-inkjesta EFA jew Gonzi ? Cara, ghax in-nies li kissru l-Air Malta KIENU NAZZJONALISTI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
m. borg (slm)
Jul 18th 2012, 13:45
Sur Sammut ghamilt xi zewgt allegazzjoni jiet serji yista tissostanzjom jew ma tawkx dettalji minn Tal-Pieta?
Reuben D. Spiteri
Jul 18th 2012, 10:44
What I'd like to know is this: Was JPO bypassing or ploughing through laws to get that permit through, or was it a scandal just cause the area was in Mistra (green zone)?
Of course the MEPA should not have accepted it anyway, but he could've been upset cos he might be losing loads of profits due to MLP bad-mouthing the whole thing. I don't think that anyone here would be able to lose thousands upon thousands with a poker face on.
Ray Azzopardi
Jul 18th 2012, 10:43
was Dr Alfred Sant right ? kif jghid il-malti iz zejt dejjem jitla fwicc l-ilma ................ inhalli il-qarrejja jevalwaw kollox ......
Colin Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 10:38
GonziPN should have distanced themselves from JPO and not used him for their political gain. It is a shame what they have done. They should have been elected on their merit and not showing JPO as a victim.
JPO was therefore a legitimate target for the PL and even the PN would (and should) have done the same if the PL had someone similar in their ranks.
Michael Campbell
Jul 18th 2012, 10:37
Ah . . . if you know the whole truth.
If it is true, what goes round comes around, there is a whole lot more to come for this despicable excuse of a coward.
As I always say, the downfall of our beloved party was the last election win.
We always hear, oh, RCC is a brilliant mind. Sorry. No.
If you are a brilliant mind, an honest man and a forward thinker, you should have known that you have won an election not on merit but on lies, deceit and immorally.
if you were intelligent and worthleading our party, you should have gone back to the public and said, "People of our nation, as a Nationalist Party, we are honest people, we want to lead by example and we believe that one of our representative has lied and cheated not only you, but ourselves. for this reason we believe it is only fair that the elections would be held again. We want to lead the country with your trust not with lies and deceit".
I would hazard to guess that the PN would have got a stronger majority and a proper administration not just a pack of bickering fools who are fighting over their horses while Rome is burning.
As JFK said, "you can fool..."
James Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 11:17
@ Michael Campbell
Of course you are right. But don't you know that politicians are macchiavellian in thought - power at all costs and by all means. I have lost faith in the lot of them.
Michael Sciortino
Jul 18th 2012, 11:34
If GonziPN had a moral backbone in 2008 it should have expelled JPO or remove the whip from him for lying to the nation, the leader and the party. But no it was power at all costs and Gonzi proceeded with an administration propped up by a discredited MP. To my mind this was the same lack of moral leadership shown by Mintoff in 1981 when before the election he stated that 'he did not want to lead the country if he did not have the majority behind him' and he proceeded to govern without a majority of votes.
I said it at the time but nobody seemed to see it my way. It was power at all costs. All that has happened in the years since March 2008 is a consequence of this lack of moral backbone. This administration is a festering sore just as the MLP 1981 administration was. The sooner this administration goes away the better.
Ryan Agius
Jul 18th 2012, 10:33
Jien ma nafx kif tista tafdahom iktar lil tal PN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pawlu Agius
Jul 18th 2012, 12:24
Unfortunately there is no alternative but to vote PN. By voting for the small parties one risks seeing the PL in power, the party which always brought shame to our country like:
- links with N.Korea, Communist China of the 80s, Gaddafi, Caucescu, etc.
- wanted Malta to join the Arab league and to remain so called 'neutral' so as not to offend Gaddafi, etc.
- withdrew Malta from Partnership for peace which negated our soldiers from training and experience,
- froze Malta's application to join the EU (also not to offend Gaddafi) with all the consequences like loss of funds (with Eu funds many roads have been rebuilt, many bastions are being restored, etc, etc.)
- MLP was the party of vidicitiveness like giving transfers if you dare to strike or confiscate your field if you happen to side with PN. In Mosta which had a Nationalist majority, they built housing estate and confiscated lands to distribute to labour supporters and their costituents with the aim of making it a labour stronghold
- MLP did innumerable damage to our history. Eg in Mosta they replaced the historic iron bridge over Wied il-Ghasel with an ugly one made of stone and with many arches rising directly from within the valley. Also in Mosta they destroyed many punic tombs (there were innumerable in S.Margerita /Zokrija area) by giving building permits, etc.
I admit corruption and bureacracy are rampant under the PN and their wastage of money is deplorable, like
- the city gate project (we will remain deprived of seeing the Royal theater as it was originally and left without a city gate which would have easily been made like Germany's Bradenburg gate or otherwise)
- giving building permits in Wied il-Ghasel Mosta, building an enormous new school on virgin land in Mosta, and many other destruction of the countryside.
Unfortunately I will vote again PN in next election, but only give them the number 1 with the remaining going to other parties, maybe one day they will learn the lesson
Robert Agius
Jul 19th 2012, 09:35
No Mr. Agius,
by voting a smaller party you have a big chance of that party gaining a couple of seats in parliament. Then bye bye to this duopoly. Of course, neither PN or PL want that but are happy that there are many people like you around. Wait for both parties to claim that anyone voting with other small parties is wasting their votes. A country truly gets the government it deserves, and opposition too. You, sir, are a perfect example of this islands mediocrity.
Reginald Borg
Jul 18th 2012, 10:18
Dr. Sant ghamel zball f'dik l-okkazzjoni: la kellu diversi provi vis-s-vis il-JPOMistra, missu qaghad ghall-konferenza stampa u l-poplu malti kollu kien jinghat soddisfazzjon ta' dak kollu li kien qed jinhama wara l-kwinti.
Zball iehor kien li qatt ma kellu jitlob vot ta' fiducja fil-Parlament wara l-isfidi ta' DOM.
Guido Farrugia
Jul 18th 2012, 11:22
Dawn il-fatti li qed tghid int huma kolla mumenti ta rgulija politika fl-aqwa tagha u mhux zballji. Iz-zmien qed ittih ragun f-kollox lil Dr. Sant, ragel ta vera!!!
Lawrence Fenech
Jul 18th 2012, 10:17
Christian.
I did not know that you have now turned medic as well.
Reginald Borg
Jul 18th 2012, 10:13
JPO,
isma' mill-parir ta' hafna:
irrizenja issa mill-Parlament,
u tigbor ftit giehek kemm mill-PL kif ukoll PN.
EVVIVA L-MISTRA!
EVVIVA L-FLUS!
EVVIVA s-SINCERITA'!
EVVIVA L-IRGULIJA!
Anthony Grech
Jul 18th 2012, 11:16
L-ewwel haga messu Gonzipn ilu li keccieh mill-partit.
Hekk il-Gonzipn kien jigbor ftit giehu u kien jiffranka hafna kxif ta borom.
VIVA L-VERITA.
VIVA VIVA L-KILBA LI AKKOST TA' KOLLOX NIBQGHU GGRANFATI MALL-POTER.
VIVA IS 600 EURO.
C Muscat
Jul 18th 2012, 10:10
Jidher car li bi fredu sant dahaq; bil-PL tal llum qed jerga jidhaq imma bil-PN ma jaghel xejn...mhux ta b xejn europa shiha trid il-bailout u malta falluta baqghet miexja...min irid jifhem jifhem....pero nerga nirrepeti li jidher car sa issa li mal-PN JPO ma ghamel xejn....
Eddy Privitera
Jul 18th 2012, 11:02
" Jidher car li sa issa li mal-PN JPO ma ghamel xejn ". Apparti li JPO irnexxielu jgieghel lil RCC jirrizenja mill-kariga li kellu, ghal futur ghad irridu naraw ! Ma nahsibx li kien hemm xi dubju kif se tispicca il-mozzjoni ta' JPO kontra RCC ,hux ? Kif qatt setghet tghaddi ta' JPO meta Lawrence Gonzi kien diga ddikjara li hi "frame-up" !
Issa naraw x'se jigri wara l-laqgha li JPO se jkollu ghada ma Lawrence Gonzi. Tghid se johorgu mghannqin ma xulxin ?
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 18th 2012, 12:33
Eddy Privitera.
Kieku qatt jirnexxilek taqtha wahda:
Skond int li dejjem tikteb fil blogs tal lejber ilhom fil gvern xi sitt xhur. Jigiefieri waqa il Gvern saret elezjoni u Joseph Muscat sar Prim Ministru. Qatt ma tghid xejn fuq IC CNI.
Issa qed timmagina ii JPO jghohrog mannaq ma Gonzi, forsi jsir il kontra u johrog mannaq ma Muscat fuq naha u l habiba u l' ex fuq ohra. Hawn Malta kollox possibli u ma niskanta b'xejn.
Taf x'naf inghid li issa l Parlament qied bil holidays tas sajf u mets f'Ottubru jerga jiftah ma jkunx baqa wisq ghall elezzjoni fi zmiena u l kalkoli li ilek thabbar kienu kollha fiera u bla bazi.
L'Ingliz jghid WISHFUL THINKING
M Grima
Jul 18th 2012, 10:04
This revelation by Gordon Pisani goes on to prove what a machiavellian party GonziPN is. Once they knew that their weeping puppy had erred they engaged themselves in the art they know best, deceit and half truths. But, what is astonishingly bizarre is that GonziPN never disciplined JPOS for his wrongdoing. Not only that, but they continued to portray the culprit as some form of hero which had aided them to win the 2008 election.
And these are the type of hypocrites who have been ruling us for the past 25 years.
anthony vella
Jul 18th 2012, 11:01
Yes he gonzi dicipline him,he did'nt give him a minister because he knows what was going on.
John J Borg
Jul 18th 2012, 11:10
.....one`s mistakes can come useful to the party , they cover up but keep him subdued.........once all the mistra `beans` have been spilled and jpo has been fully exposed.........i fear his revelations would not help any pn recovery
Joseph Grech Attard
Jul 18th 2012, 09:55
So GonziPN defended evil in 2008 and threw mud all over the person of Dr. Sant. Do we hear an apology from GonziPN, Dr. Gonzi himself and RCC in particular? Has GonziPN changed from that time or has it continued to shield evil all the time? Where are the ethics and Christian values?
W Cassar
Jul 18th 2012, 10:29
Politics is a dirty business and no one is an angel voters need to be aware of this. The PN would never issue an apology as that would mean they are guilty of dirty tricks and increase the swing for Labour. Maybe when Gonzo retires he might think about it, but not while he clings to power.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 18th 2012, 10:58
@ Joseph Grech Attard, today at 09:55.
The Nationalist Party did not "defend evil" in 2008. It did not know at the time that the evil really existed. The documented proof was in Dr Alfred Sant's hand and not in the hands of the Nationalist Party. Unbelievably Sant did not deal that trump card that he held in his hand. Sant allowed himself to be outmanouvered by a tearful cheating ham actor who has now become a prime favourite with Joseph Muscat's LP. Sant was criticised for not playing his hand as well as he could have done. That is not throwing mud all over the person of Dr Sant. That is saying it as it is.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 18th 2012, 11:13
@ W Cassar, today at 10:29.
Nothing could be clearer than this statement by Mr Gordon Pisani that at that election time, and prior to Sant's disclosure, the Nationalist Party was not even aware of JPO's Mistra dealings. What has the PN to apologise for?
Apologies are due from Muscat and the LP for assisting JPO now, when it is fully aware of his dismal record since then and knowing that its own past prime minister knows that he was a morally and politically corrupt person and said so.
Please do not try to explain - I will do it for you. It is a case of allying oneself with the devil himself if it would gain votes for the MLP. . Do I need to remind you who said that?
Patrick Zammit
Jul 18th 2012, 14:43
Dr Saliba @10.58
Are you really that naive or are you just defending the messa in scena baked by GonziPN?
Joseph Grech Attard
Jul 18th 2012, 15:20
Did GonziPN hold an inquiry to see whether all that Dr. Sant said was true? if no, why not? If yes, what was the result? If it were true, an apology is required. But only gentlemen reason like that. Honourable gentlemen do not. The end does not justify the means. If it does, it is evil, which usually punishes itself, one time or another.
Joseph Grech Attard
Jul 18th 2012, 15:39
@ Dr. Saliba 10.29
"... It is a case of allying oneself with the devil himself if it would gain votes for the MLP. . Do I need to remind you who said that?" D
id whoever said it go to the devil to gain votes for the MLP? As a staunch defender of Christian values, you should be very well versed in Jesus' parables - especially that of the two brothers who one said "Yes i shall go the field" and did not; while the other said "No I shall not go" and went. "Tra il dire e il fare c'e il grande mare," say the Italians. The person who said "I go to the devil, etc" did not go; while the one who said "Money is no problem," lied!
R. Cilia
Jul 18th 2012, 16:03
The Nationalist Party did not "defend evil" in 2008. It did not know at the time that the evil really existed.
Yeah sure Dr.Saliba, pull the other one! I bet you would defend your beloved PN no matter what.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 16:13
Dr Saliba: I don't see you objecting to GP producing a transcript of a private conversation between him and JPO. You objected so vociferously recently when the LP released a recording of someone passing comments in the Sliema Local Council saying it was illegal and immoral. Were do you stand on this one now?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 18th 2012, 16:58
@ Joseph Grech Attard today at 15:39.
So you do have a shrewd idea that there was indeed a notable Labourite who declared that he would not disdain an alliance with the devil to earn votes for the MLP - you were dissembling when you pretended not to know. That is why you change tack now and plead that, whoever it was, did not mean what he said but, in practice, he later recanted and allied the MLP with the good angels in heaven above and not the fallen ones in hell. Nice try.
George Cutajar
Jul 18th 2012, 09:53
JPOS opened a Pandora's box and the truth is finally coming out. The MIstra saga lost the PN many votes in the last election - mine included. ON the other hand the way it was handled by the PN strategists, including the crying scene at Mosta created a wave of personal sympathy for JPOS which saw elected on two districts.
Was JPOS the turning point in the 2008 election? I guess one can never reach a definite answer. Whatever happened, happened, however it definitely did not give JPOS the right to create the mayhem he created over the past four years and in these last months in particular.
After he got elected JPOS should have stayed quiet as the skeletons in his cupboard were bound to break loose. He did not calculate correctly his actions and has now ended up with his political career shattered beyond repair.
Tony Fenech
Jul 18th 2012, 10:23
Lost votes for Pn, I think it won votes cause Dr.Alfred Sant mistake was not to confront JPO at a political Tv broadcast and walked out. That was definite, the defeat of Dr.Alfred Sant, it showed in the polls that even JPO done so well. to be elected on two districts besides dr.Alfred Sant was ill and many even foreign nationals with I.D. cards voted and many came from abroad with a mere €35 (roughly), some of them have not been here for ages. Embarcation card is non existent since ir was abolished.
ANTHONY PAVIA
Jul 18th 2012, 11:01
Mr Cutajar are you joking?
Eddy Privitera
Jul 18th 2012, 11:19
George Cutajar: Everybody agrees that the way the Mistra story was manipulated by GonziPN with the collaboration of JPO, HAD WON THE ELECTION for GonziPN BI ZBRIXX ! So that story had WON thousands of votes for GonziPN not lost votes, as you are saying, for obvious political propaganda reasons !!!
m. borg (slm)
Jul 18th 2012, 13:48
Mr Fenech it only shows what a bunch of morons gonzipn voters were to give JPO so much votes, they could still have voted gonzipn but sideline JPO.
Like I said a bunch of morons who can't see the truth even if it is stareing at them.
R. Cilia
Jul 18th 2012, 15:56
G.Cutajar re your last two sentences learn the maltese sayings'' Id-dnub ma jorqodx'' u "Iz-zejt jitla' f'wicc l-ilma".JPO's skeletons are Gonzi PN's skeletons. You should not worry about his political career being shattered since he will not be contesting the coming election.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 16:16
"Whatever happened happened" my foot" Noting happens by coincidence. It was all the doing of GonziPN - that is how it works, and you should know. As for JPO, why should have remained quite -to avoid letting the truth out of how he was manipulated by the klikka and then nearly pushed out of the PN? You are being too simplistic. By the way, I too did not vote for the PN in the last election, first time in many elections, because of the Mistra saga.
David Caruana
Jul 18th 2012, 09:49
First we use him to win an election, then we turn him into a 'folk devil'.
Keep digging your own hole PN!
Mr Karl Ciarlo'
Jul 18th 2012, 09:54
Do you think so? I think he's been digging his grave slowly but very deep.
ANTHONY PAVIA
Jul 18th 2012, 11:01
Both of them have been at it since the revelations just prior to the last elections. It is unfortunate, as JPO had some very good moments.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jul 18th 2012, 16:18
The klikka turned against JPO because they wanted him down and out in order to avoid what is going on now- that of us knowing the truth how the whole saga was manipulated. The fiction of an honest christian party has been thorn to shreds!
Simon Bonello
Jul 18th 2012, 09:41
mela Sant was 100% right u veru dmugh tal kukkudrilli kien dak in nhar taht it tinda u li jekk kien qed jaghmel hazin ghattewlu kollox il PN stess inkluz il coach ! Allura ghalxiex issa hierga l verita mis sur Pisani? ehhh kif jghidu zejt tiela fil wicc fl' ahhar imma issa too late l ahwa ax min xarrbu kielu l bakkaljaw jghid il malti !
Ms Xaxa Caruana
Jul 18th 2012, 15:37
@Simon Bonello
Ghax issa tal pn ma jifilhux iktar lil JPO u qed jipruvaw ipatuwielu bil pulit , billi igibuh jider ikrah ma tal pl...ifhem ma jidirlix li hireg mal pl, JPO hux........ min igerfex u jigdeb l iktar.
Ian Mamo
Jul 18th 2012, 09:40
I stand to be corrected.
But Dr Gonzi had an investigation going on this aswell. No?
anthony vella
Jul 18th 2012, 10:42
Investigation tat-toqba t'ghanji,basta min ghlihom li riedu jwaqqhow lil sant ghas-sufjett pero issa kollox hiereg car.
Ian Mamo
Jul 18th 2012, 11:49
Iz zejt dejjem tela' f wicc l ilma!
H Stafrace
Jul 18th 2012, 09:34
Crying at the discotheque
Geoffrey Farrugia
Jul 18th 2012, 09:30
So now we are finally getting some truth on what really went on prior to the 2008 election when the JPO Mistra land deal was exposed to the public.
And at this point the PN instead of simply throwing JPO out, preferred to conveniently cover the whole thing up, and inflate JPO's popularity to incredible proportions.
This is politics of convenience and now its all coming back. It is plain and simple sick.
Joe Muscat
Jul 18th 2012, 10:03
And why do you think the PN acted in this way? Because they wanted power at all cost even though they threw honesty out of the window....Gonzi's reign started with lies and more lies.....And the PN accuses the LP of being power hungry......Yet PN wants to retain power forever.....!!!!! Wakey Wakey!!!
Joseph Sammut
Jul 18th 2012, 09:30
One feels ill because things would not be right. “Isn’t it better if you didn’t know?” replied Dr Pullicino Orlando: why? What does this person pretend: It's an admission that he had things to hide!!!! Incredible!!!!
Edward Curmi
Jul 18th 2012, 09:12
JPO WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND !!!!!!!
Tony Fenech
Jul 18th 2012, 11:54
PN what comes around goes around!!!!!!
S.M. Cuschieri
Jul 18th 2012, 13:21
@Tony Fenench
It-tigrija sal barkun...........
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