JPO: EFA voted against party line and his own leader in 1974
MP warns he will leave the PN if this evening's meeting is 'a farce'
Updated - Nationalist MP Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando said today that he was surprised that in last Thursday's meeting of the PN Executive, Eddie Fenech Adami did not speak against matters being escalated. In 1974, he recalled, when Parliament voted on the Republic Constitution, Dr Fenech Adami voted with Dom Mintoff and against the party line and that of his leader Dr George Borg Olivier. He did so, Dr Pullicino Orlando said, against the directives of his party.
That was far more serious than his own vote in parliament on the motion for the resignation of Mr Cachia Caruana.
Speaking in a One TV interview of some 100 minutes, Dr Pullicino Orlando said he had no regret in voting against Mr Cachia Caruana because every civil servant had to respect Parliament in everything he did.
MPs, Dr Pullicino Orlando said, served in Parliament as representatives of the people and not their party.
The PN Executive will this evening consider Dr Pullicino Orlando's call for the PN to expel Mr Cachia Caruana for allegedly having colluded with the PL between 1996-98.
Dr Pullicino Orlando reiterated his view that Prime Minister Lawrence Gonzi prejudiced his case against Mr Cachia Caruana when he said on Sunday that he saw the ingredients of a frame-up.
The Executive's meeting last Thursday, he said, should certainly not have escalated matters until it heard evidence he intends to presents today.
'CARELESS' NOTIFICATION PROCESS
Dr Pullicino Orlando criticised the PN for having been 'careless' in the late notification of witnesses he had called for tonight's meeting, noting that as a result, it appeared that European Commissioner John Dalli would not attend. He had submitted the list of witnesses on Wednesday and PN Executive president Marthese Portelli waited for six days before formally notifying them. This was, at best, carelessness, Dr Pullicino Orlando said, and it was useless trying to blame him. He hoped if was not something worse, in the same way as this case had been prejudiced, as this would be a blot on the history of the PN.
"I am not comfortable that matters are being done as they are supposed to," Dr Pullicino Orlando said. "I hope this will not be a fait accompli."
Dr Pullicino Orlando recalled that the Opposition had also called Mr Dalli to give evidence (in the House Foreign Affairs Committee) in its claims that Mr Cachia Caruana worked in the interests of foreign countries, something which he too was alleging against Mr Dalli. He suspected that today's meeting was moved to Tuesday to make it difficult for Mr Dalli to attend, in the same way as he could not attend the meeting in Parliament. Mr Dalli had told him he would do his best to attend. Mr Dalli appeared to share his view that obstructions were being made to prevent him from attending.
Mr Dalli said it was worth recalling that Mr Dalli had himself been the victim of a frame-up leading to his resignation, but at the time no one made the fuss now being raised with regard to Mr Cachia Caruana.
Dr Pullicino Orlando said he was shocked by more revelations against Mr Cachia Caruana made by the Labour media over the past days, particularly his implications on who may have been behind the attempt on his life. He said that it was those who did not bow to Mr Cachia Caruana, such as Guido de Marco, John Dalli and himself, who had been subjected to certain situation because they were not subservient to him. But, Dr Pullicino Orlando said, he had always regarded Dr Gonzi as the party leader and head of government, not Mr Cachia Caruana.
Dr Pullicino Orlando said he was not impressed by Mr Cachia Caruana's denial of the various claims made against him.
Regarding the claims made by Labour MP Karmenu Vella regarding Air Malta, Dr Pullicino Orlando said Mr Cachia Caruana was a participant in bringing Air Malta to its knees and he could not understand the spin which praised Mr Cachia Caruana after the EU agreed on the Air Malta rescue package, paid for by the Maltese people.
Dr Pullicino Orlando said he could have presented other former Labour ministers who were approached by Mr Cachia Caruana after 1996 but could not do so without their permission.
ASST COMMISSIONER'S WORDS 'MANIPULATED'
With regard to Joe Mizzi's allegations, particularly with regard to a cocaine party on a yacht, Dr Pullicino Orlando questioned how Mr Cachia Caruana waited 48 hours to launch court proceedings. He said that the comments made by then Inspector (now Assistant Commissioner) Manuel Cassar had been 'manipulated' and misinterpreted.
What Mr Cassar had said did not deny what Mr Mizzi said, but only that he went where he was asked to go. And it was Commissioner (Mr Grech) who sent him). Furthermore, one could recall the weight which a court gave to Mr Grech's testimony in the past during the hearings on the Cachia Caruana stabbing case.
The court found that the attacks against Mr Cachia Caruana had a personal motivation and one therefore had to ask how much his protection had cost the taxpayers since.
He had no doubt, Dr Pullicino Orlando said, that Mr Mizzi could substantiate his allegations, which had also been made before.
JPO WARNS HE WOULD LEAVE THE PN IF HE SEES 'A FARCE'
Asked what he expected this evening, Dr Pullicino Orlando again raised his concerns that the case was prejudiced as he had been accused of not acting in good faith and preparing a frame-up. All manner of obstructions were being put up against him, he said. He would not tolerate a situation, this evening, where everything was stage-managed. His adversary was being given an advantage, but he would still go in for the race.
If matters were not handled correctly within the party this evening, if he witnessed a farce, he would seriously reconsider his position within the party, Dr Pullicino Orlando said.
This evening he would present an irrefutable case, backed by sworn statements, to show that Mr Cachia Caruana's influence was such that he should be dismissed from the party. He still had to see how Mr Cachia Caruana would defend himself. If Mr Cachia Caruana managed to convince him otherwise, it was all well and good.
He knew, and he had evidence, that some members of the executive agreed with him, although they had not spoken up, Dr Pullicino Orlando said.
The Nationalist MP defended his decision to go to PN headquarters on Thursday accompanied by security guards, saying that the presence of certain people outside the door justified his decision. However he had since spoken to party officials and he expected the situation this evening to be different.
Dr Pullicino Orlando expressed his regret that the PN media had carried pictures of his partner attending a Labour Party activity. He said his partner had every right to be a Labourite and the prime minister had known this from the outset. He said that after he decided not to seek re-election, his partner asked him whether it was a problem for her to attend a PL activity. He said he had not objected and only told her not to hide herself, so that no one would accuse them of hiding. After her pictures were carried on NET and In-Nazzjon, he had spoken to Dr Gonzi, who expressed his regret, Dr Pullicino Orlando said.
In the interview Dr Pullicino Orlando hit out at Richard Cachia Caruana for the way he treated other people, including respected civil servants, and said that an audio clip broadcast by One TV yesterday even showed him shifting the blame for problems faced by Eddie Fenech Adami. It was also disgraceful that, apparently, Mr Cachia Caruana had implicated Guido de Marco and Lawrence Gatt in the attempt on his life.
Dr Pullicino Orlando said Dr Gonzi and himself had mutual respect and he did not think that the current problems stemmed directly from Dr Gonzi but from the poor choices he had made, particularly in his choice of Mr Cachia Caruana.
He would go for this evening's meeting with an open mind, Dr Pullicino Orlando said, and he hoped the matter would not be treated in a frivolous manner.
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Henry S Pace
Jul 17th 2012, 17:55
' Dr Pullicino Orlando said he had no regret in voting against Mr Cachia Caruana because every civil servant had to respect Parliament in everything he did. '
THIS IS A COMPLETE FALLACY BECause civil servants under no circumstances could be forced to resign by a vote in parliament.
A Vote of Confidence can only be to Cabinet Ministers and all MPs. Civil Servants fall under the discipline of the Prime Minister and the Public Service Commission.
Apart frpm this fact Section 110 and Section 111 of the Constitution of Malta was completely bypassed by the Speaker of the House of Repreentatives These two setion of the Constitution speaks cleary about Malta's representatives in the Diplomatic Corps..
Anthony Schembri adami
Jul 17th 2012, 17:23
All this proves in what a dreadfull mess we are in. Partizan politics always hindered us from maturing as a full-grown Nation
Gorg Sciberras
Jul 17th 2012, 16:35
He plans to go to the meeting with an open mind but elsewhere he has already been quoted as saying that he is sure the executive will agree with his decision. And he will consider his position with the PN if it is a "fait accompli" - it seems obvious that if the PN executive does not agree with him, he will say it is a fait accompli and resign.
Joseph Cauchi Senior
Jul 17th 2012, 15:53
Now that JPO’s most important day of his life is approaching; shouldn’t he just for the moment forget politics and concentrate on that big day in August?
I can’t see how one can concentrate on something rather than that special day!
If I were doing it myself, I would be probably doing it to try and put that special date, perhaps, out of my mind; but that’s only me, of course!
JC.
D Vella
Jul 17th 2012, 15:41
Dear Jeffrey . . . since at the time you were probably still trying to learn how to pull up your trousers on your own your statements are certainly not made from personal recollection. May one be presumpteous enough to suggest you carry out some proper research and be a little more accurate with the facts?(!)
Peter Paul Buttigieg
Jul 17th 2012, 14:50
it looks like it would be much better for JPO not only to "hang his boots" but rather throw them away for good! Not being able to walk the talk!!!
Joe Tabone
Jul 17th 2012, 14:33
Jeffrey seems to be in 'self destruct mode'. When will be stop, he knows his contituents did not elect him for these tantrums?
What a cheek to try to compare himself to EFA or RCC - these two gentlemen have won election after election for the PN, whilst he seems to be the PN's major liability! Just do it!
joseph green
Jul 17th 2012, 13:52
Go to were you belong ,the PL.
Listiani Lestari
Jul 17th 2012, 13:43
Jeff Pulicino Orland, his looks are severe and with a message. It's fun to study man's body language what is his intentions and his meanings.
We people want a servant in Parliament not an agent who convince us of his loyality. We want people we can trust our funds. We want a Parliament of honest candidates who do not seek own's glory and the prize of a chair in the House.
We are a small Nation and yet ,you made us suffer a lot, because we trusted in you. The victory of revenge against the Maltese people can result into suffering and shame.
It's the Nation who pays for the errors of Politicians.
Tony Agius
Jul 17th 2012, 13:41
Zelqa ohra ta JPO , Tijatrin iehor ta JPO , TiJATRIN bhafna atti .
G Falzon
Jul 17th 2012, 13:23
It appears the "fait accompli" is that JPO will not attend today as no serious administration would change its security officers to please HRH. JPO is finding the way to escape!
G Falzon
Jul 17th 2012, 13:20
Very serious but apparently false and unfounded accusations by JPO! It seems everyone is contradicting him.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120717/local/fenech-adami-denies-voting-against-the-party-line-in-1974.428974
J Cassar
Jul 17th 2012, 13:13
OMD Seriously! Was this guy a wooden spoon in his previous life? Go and dig your grave in your back yard Mr... we're fed up of your little dramas every other day! Who on Gods earth put him in the cabinet in the first place? What a political let down!!!
E Gatt
Jul 17th 2012, 13:11
Now that Dr Eddie Fenech Adami has gone out of his way to explain what happened in 1974, will JPOS be decent enough to issue an apology?
George Cutajar
Jul 17th 2012, 13:14
@ E Gatt - You are asking a bit too much. JPOS, Debono and Mugliette have no regrets for whatever they have said or done and they still believe that they are right and that only they are right.
Ivan cachia
Jul 17th 2012, 12:57
JPO 'warns' that he will leave the PN if this evening's meeting is a farce - Who d hell does he think he is this guy.....he should have done so a long time ago 'cause we've had enough of listening to all his crap. Had i been the prime minister i would have expelled him from the party together with Franco Debono!!!!
K Psaila
Jul 17th 2012, 12:43
Fenech Adami denies voting against the party line in 1974
"Then there were six dissidents... Among them was (then PN leader) George Borg Olivier, who said everyone should have a free vote since there was no unanimous agreement."
"But the party's decision – and I played a primary role in ensuring this – was that we should vote in favour of the amendments."
J. Borg
Jul 17th 2012, 12:34
JPO - please leave. The sooner the better.
Mike Gatt
Jul 17th 2012, 12:24
JPO seems to be clutching at straws and resorting to all sorts of tricks to try and prove his accusations. However he must stick to the truth and use only evidence which are factually based and not assumed opinions.
Anthony Schembri adami
Jul 17th 2012, 12:16
This is the main academic reason why our systemn is finally to collaspe. We only vote for a parliament., . We vote for a parliament and not for a leaders who has the trust a part of the electorate.
Anthony Schembri adami
Jul 17th 2012, 12:16
This is the main academic reason why our systemn is finally to collaspe. We only vote for a parliament., . We vote for a parliament and not for a leaders who has the trust a part of the electorate.
Anthony Schembri adami
Jul 17th 2012, 12:16
This is the main academic reason why our systemn is finally to collaspe. We only vote for a parliament., . We vote for a parliament and not for a leaders who has the trust a part of the electorate.
ANTHONY PAVIA
Jul 17th 2012, 12:13
"This was, at best, carelessness"
And at worse?
Frank Gauci
Jul 17th 2012, 12:07
JPO please leave now the PN party and people like you must never be part of a political party... Both PL and PN parties need more true politicians than you are...
Are you going to cry this time again????
JPO is not living in a dream any more.... mentioning past events as he is going to resign !!!!
George Cutajar
Jul 17th 2012, 12:03
JPOS should leave the PN as early as possible and enjoy his fields in Mistra. He has embarrassed himself and the PN and is now going a step further making claims against Dr. EFA , the man who gave us freedom, liberty and above all self-respect.
JPOS claims that Dr. EFA voted against the party line on the constitutional amendmends back in 1974 - THIS IS A BLATANT LIE. Stooping so low as to attempt to tarnish the image of one of Malta's greatest prime ministers just goes to show that this man is hell bent in damaging everybody in the PN no matter what it takes. Is this pay back for only being offered a post of parliamentary secretary and not minister under Dr. Fenech Adami's tenure?
Dr. EFA did not vote against party lines back in 1974. JPOS should revisit his history books and will notice that back then Dr. Borg Olivier gave his MP's a FREE VOTE and Dr. EFA along with others chose to exercise that right. But then again he probably knew all this and still decided to spout the venom.
JPOS should be ashamed of himself at making such claims and comparing himself with Dr. EFA. But then he was on Super One TV and as we all know anything goes on that station.
Again JPOS is shocked at revelations made by Super One about RCC. How cute, how convenient, how down right silly. Is it not obvious that JPOS and Super One are now working hand in hand to cause as much damage as possible to the PN. The very fact that JPOS accepted to go on Super One this morning is very telling in itself.
He will now issue statements and counter-statements until the time comes for his elephant to give birth to a mouse but in doing so he is giving more credence and respectability to the PN Executive's decision not to allow to contest on the party's ticket. People like JPOS have no place in the PN and hopefully in a couple of weeks time he will be all but forgotten.
victor bonello
Jul 17th 2012, 11:44
It is frightening to read about all these plots, and clock and dagger business.. truly the PN is formidable to portray an image of itself which is exactly opposite to the truth.. I am almost ashamed to declare I was part of the Maltese society that entrusted them with the future of my family and the running of my country..
We will give PL a chance ! and see, nothing seems could be worse then what it is to day.
J Cassar
Jul 17th 2012, 13:15
All political parties have this crap going on... if you believe that the PL dont, then, all the fool you Sir... you will be let down again, and no doubt much harder... bear in mind the recession Europe finds itself in, and the above the water the Maltese people are still in!!
Martin Bonello
Jul 17th 2012, 11:39
Hey JPOS
You wrote the script for a farce, so don t complain about the actors executing it now.
and re - "MP warns he will leave the PN if this evening's meeting is 'a farce'", only one word for him- ADIEU !
m. borg (slm)
Jul 17th 2012, 13:21
Adieu to government too silly boy, something gonzi is trying to avoid for some unknown personal reasons.
Mr Michael Debono
Jul 17th 2012, 11:38
Ghaliex il-PN hada bi kbira li il-Partner ta JPO hijja LP meta Gonzi ghazel lil Dr. George Abela bhala president meta hu maghruf li Dr. G. Abela hu laborist konvint.
M Attard
Jul 17th 2012, 12:13
Prosit Mike. Good one
Anthony Portelli
Jul 17th 2012, 11:29
itlaq issa u sabbat saqajk kemm trid, fejn ma nisimghawkx
Joseph Bugeja
Jul 17th 2012, 11:54
You want the cake and eat it eh? Why weren't the 3 MP's suspended or is it muzzled before the parliament closed down for summer recess?
Don't bother to answer such a simple question.
M Attard
Jul 17th 2012, 12:16
Issa triduh jitlaq wara li l'ahhar elezzjoni gabar kemm felah voti
M Grima
Jul 17th 2012, 11:29
GonziPN never ceases to amaze.
In 2008 the PN strategists, including Joe Saliba and RCC had advised JPOS to follow Alfred Sant wherever he went so as to appear the innocent party and also to play the weeping baby at the PBS studios at G'mangia. I remember during this particular period the PN apologists in their throng venting their unyielding support of JPOS in his battle to clear his name. This was a particular incident which many have interpreted was the main factor for the PN to win the election.
How things have changed, with the nationalists running after the blood of JPOS not because he voted with the opposition in kicking out RCC but because he is exposing the PN's dirty linen in public. And by the look of it there is plenty of it. The self proclaimed champions of democracy are being to look more like a dictatorship and totalitarian party. What a party, what a farce!!!
Andy Farrugia
Jul 17th 2012, 11:27
Do some of the commenters over here remember these words about JPO: "morally and politically corrupt". Nothing can be more damning than that.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jul 17th 2012, 14:25
lol...and we can also recall the Pn's position then..
Reginald Borg
Jul 17th 2012, 11:24
JPO,
why don't you leave this morning, not this evening!
The people are sick of you!
The country just does not need you and your like!
EVVIVA L-MISTRA!
Eve Axiaq
Jul 17th 2012, 11:17
Partit ta gideb sfaccat! Ghax xi hadd naha jew ohra qed jigdeb zgur! U ma kull gurnata li taddi aktar gideb@!
A. Borg
Jul 17th 2012, 11:15
JPO ghal hafna nies bhali int eroj li bis-sahha tieghek stajna nibnu familja gdida. Jigri x'jigri lejla dan ahna mhu se ninsewh QATT u mhu se ninsew QATT min ivvota kontra rieda tal-poplu dakinhar!
Saviour Aquilina
Jul 17th 2012, 12:40
If you are saying regard 1974, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG MR A BORG. That`s was other story.
Joe Vella
Jul 17th 2012, 11:12
@ R. Axisa, fejn naf jien? ghax il fatti jitkellmu ghalijom. Il labour Force tista tghid illi irdobjat, qghad ftit hu xej, investiment barrani u lokali dan l'ahhar snin minajr precident; w ma ghadikx tara il Malmaljata Laburista tkisser, tahraq u issawwat in-nies. hseb ghalik rigward l'ahhar punt kien il Partit Nazzjonalista li kien jibghat lil Marmaljata Laburista tghamel sfragju mat tirqat t aMalta
R Axisa
Jul 17th 2012, 11:56
In-numri tal-labour force huma farsa shiha ghax huwa fatt maghruf li meta persuna ticcaqlaq minn impjieg ghal iehor ikun meqjus bhala mpjieg gdid, dawk impjegati bil-kuntratt - kull darba li jiggedded il-kuntratt ikun meqjus bhala impjieg gdid, ecc ecc. Rigward in-nies imsawtin, illum dan isir bil-pulit - saqsi lill-imgarrab!
Joe Vella
Jul 17th 2012, 15:47
R. Axisa lanqas taf il labour Force xi tfisser. Simply il Labour Force hija kemm hemm nies jahdmu at any given time. Issa jekk trid tghamel comparison bejn il labour force tal lum ma dik tal 1987 l'ahhar sena illi il PL kien fl'Gvern hu il figuri relevant. Il labour Force fil 1987 kienet ta madwar 80,000 illum hija madwar 150,000.
Joe Zahra
Jul 17th 2012, 11:09
It looksas if JPO does not even know the story of the Nationalist Party well. Back on the 12th December 1974 the Nationalist MPs were given a free vote in what came to be known as the Republic Constitution Gorg Borg Olivier, together with five other NP deputies, voted against the amended Constitution. The rest voted with the Government MPs. The amended constitution was approved. I was on Gorg Borg Olivier's side but I was also a party activist and I no PN deputy would have done anything to harm the party.
ollowing this vote the Nationalist party deputies closed ranks. No one of them did what JPO is doing because they loved the Party and were loyal to the Party. JPO sholuld emulate those true nationalist and stop all his shenigans.
Joseph Bugeja
Jul 17th 2012, 12:05
What if free votes are given on peanuts and chick peas issues only? Oh I remember one was given on divorce but later there weren't many closed ranks were there?
Joseph Grech Attard
Jul 17th 2012, 12:10
So why was the late Dr. Gorg Borg Olivier removed from leader of the PN after a hushed, late night 'conspiracy' and EFA took his place? Democracy? Free vote? Why have most of the forerunners of that become presidents of the republic, including the self-crowning, Napoleon-like investiture of EFA?
It was the leader Dr. GBO who did what he thought better for the COUNTRY, and bowed his head and gave a free vote. What is expected now of the 3 rebels is to bow their heads for the good of the PARTY, GonziPN. That is a huge difference. The late Dr. GBO gave the MPS, a free vote; why didn't Dr. LG do the same in this case? Is it divorce which is only crucial for our country?
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 11:00
Oliverr Grech. naccertak kieku kellu jsir dibattitu bejn EFA u JPO, JPO lil EFA ihallih bla-nifs ! Kelli seperjenza jien stess ma dan il-kbir EFA, u spiccaw il-PN jipprotestaw biex l-intervista li ghamilt lil EFA ma tintwerhiex !
Daqstant kien qata figura miskina dan il-"Kbir" EFA !
Tonio Farrugia
Jul 17th 2012, 11:21
@ H Stafrace
could not agree more with you!
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 17th 2012, 11:25
SOUR GRAPES
Andy Farrugia
Jul 17th 2012, 11:25
Jahasra, jahasra, Privitera, xi hsara qed taghmel lil moviment tieghek! Ma tridtx titghallem; kompli ddellirja!
H. Meilak
Jul 17th 2012, 11:51
Sur Privitera, il-figura miskina li jista jaqta' bniedem ma tigix ikkalkulata minn opinjoni personali ta xi hadd. EFA kien gab l-akbar numru ta voti fl-istorja ta l-elezzjoniet f'Malta. Dom Mintoff kien igib numru gmielu ta voti ukoll, allura dawn iz-zewg politikanti tista tghid li "figura miskina" qatt ma qatghu. Issa, jien tal-parir li CNI tohorgu ghall elezzjoni li jmiss b' Eddy Privitera bhala leader jipprova johrog pajjizna mill-EU, umbaghad naraw jekk igibx voti daqs EFA. Good Luck!
George Cutajar
Jul 17th 2012, 12:07
@ Eddy Privitera - Meta xi darba il-Partit Laburista ikollu mexxej tal-istatura ta' EFA tistgha tibda titkellem biss ftakar dejjem bil-mod kif EFA rebah ir-referendum u lilkhom tas-CNI gabkhom titkellmu wahedkhom.
m. borg (slm)
Jul 17th 2012, 13:25
@ meilak
L-akbar numri ta' voti akkumulti kien gabhom Dr Alfred Sant fil-1996.
H. Meilak
Jul 17th 2012, 16:15
Sorry M. Borg, my mistake.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 18:58
George Cutajar: EFA ghamel lil Malta kolonja tal-UE U Z-ZMIEN QED JURI MIN KELLU RAGUN !!!!
Hu pjacir li Malta qed thallas il-MIJIET TA' MILJUNI biex nghinu Banek Griegi, Irlandizi u Spanjoli s'issa ! Meta INT minghalik li se nibdew nircievu "Gratis et Amore" LM 100 miljun fis-sena !!!!
C Muscat
Jul 17th 2012, 10:56
JPO l-aqwa li gibt i-divorzju...u issa call it a day ghandek l-option li ggorr lil partit tieghek mieghek....bejn tlieta facli twaqqghu lil gonzi....
Joe Vella
Jul 17th 2012, 10:54
Joseph Muscat and the Gloom and Doom Crowd talk about that their is instability in the Country. Yes, they are doing their outermost towards that end, without providing a valid alternative to the present Government. Joseph Muscat and the Gloom and Doom Crowd needs to be reminded that instability in the Country existed when the PL was in Government. There was no only political instability, but Economic instability Galore. With record Unemployment and no solutions to offer. According to Joseph Muscat and the Gloom and Doom Crowd we have instability in the Country; If the instability of today brought with it RECORD EMPLOYMENT AND UNPRECEDENTED ECONOMIC GROWTH, even against the World Economy is going through, I choose the present administration with all the instability that it is providing.
John Borg
Jul 17th 2012, 10:50
You have to be big headed to compare yourself with Eddie Fenech Adami. But coming from JPO, nothing should be a surprise...
Anthony Grech
Jul 17th 2012, 10:46
All those Gonzipn followers, who are having it so good and want JPO, FD and JM to resign I have one simple question,
Why did not Gonzipn expel them a long time ago?
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 17th 2012, 12:29
The three persons involved were voted parlamentarians for 5 years by the electorate and consequently unless they resign the party cannot expel them from the party unless they commit an action that warrants being disciplined. They have now been declared unable to contest with the party in the forthcoming elections.
The ball is now in their court. In my opinion they have three options:
1. Resign from the party and declare themselves independent.
2. Resign from Parliament and a bye election appoints next in line as a parlamentarian.
3. Cross the floor and drive the country to new electiions.
I might be wrong but which ever is considered by any of these, the three parlamentarians are doomed to any future political contestations.
Oliver Grech
Jul 17th 2012, 10:42
JPO mhux qed tghid that you are like EFA hux? L anqas biss tibda hdejh.
Barney Camilleri
Jul 17th 2012, 10:41
Dr. JPO I am sorry to say after hearing you for over one and a half hours this morning calling to account EFA down to the bodyguards at the door, I could not read more of the same. Enough is Enough.
Sir, I admired you when you took it upon yourself to go it alone on the cement factory and the St. John's hole madness.
But when it came to divorce I felt it was personal, now you say what is wrong having a partner for the last 10 years a strong labourist and an activist? I say: 'A LOT', otherwise we see labour members of parliament with Nationalist wives enjoying their picture taken behind GonziPN.
JPO I am an ex-PN because of different reasons but not because I became influences by close friends. After an hour and a half hammering against the P.N. you should join your long friend and sit at the back of JM maybe you get his gass.
Donna Parnis
Jul 17th 2012, 11:27
What is wrong is being in a relationship with the two people being from different parties, How pathetic, It would be like saying you can not be with that person because they have a different religion or are a different colour or come from a different country. Are you really listening to what you are saying. Every person on this earth have their own reasons for being with another person and LOVE has no colour. So basically if you are a Labourite you should not be allowed to have a photograph taken with a Nationalist. What a totally pathetic man you are.
Frederick Cachia
Jul 17th 2012, 10:37
You are totally wrong. That motion was a FREE VOTE
Joseph E Briffa
Jul 17th 2012, 10:30
JPO is more confused than ever......no one can blame him really. He has dug himself in a hole and he continues digging, the deeper he goes the darker the surroundings become. In this situation, one's thinking becomes more muddled, delirium and delusions set in. It becomes extremely difficult to distinguish between reality and one's own perceptions. Paranoid thoughts become more frequent and stronger, one feels haunted and hunted. Yet one cannot admit that the situation is of one's own making, but keeps thinking that it was inflicted by others. Because of the self-preservation instinct one tries to fight back at times, hitting out at all the perceived foes. One becomes more out of touch with reality; conflicting and incoherent statements become the order of the day. The situation becomes really pathetic.
John Borg
Jul 17th 2012, 10:23
@Henry Fenech Azzopardi
Dr Pullicino Orlando's reference to Eddie Fenech Adami's vote on the Republic Constitution is a historic fact and very relevant to to-day's serious poltical tsunami that has overwhelmed the Nationalis Party.
The rest of your comment is totally irrelevant
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 17th 2012, 11:21
Everybody has a right to his own opinion, which thanks to Dr. Eddie Fenech Adami we can go public without
the fear of being discriminated or haunted.
It is a delight to see so many different opinions and at the same time accepted by all concerned. This is all full merits to the PN under the leadership of Dr. Fenech Adami and to a certain extent also merits to Dr. Alfred Sant who cleared the MLP from past intruders.
Let us all hope that these are things of the past and we all can express our opinions in public without hesitation.
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 17th 2012, 11:23
I am very sorry but you cannot even make a distinction between a free vote and a party line vote. Get your records straight or you prefer for your argument to stick to half truths.
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 17th 2012, 11:32
The rest of my comments is totally irrelevant because obviously do not suit your ears.
It gives an exact comparison that even The Prime Minister and leader of The Nationalist Party has to abide by directives given by the Whip, and had there been not a free vote the Prime Minister would have had to vote against his conscience and in favour of divorce.
The problem is that you do not distinguish between a free vote and a whip directive, so obviously in your opinion JPO is correct. You have every right to think in this way if it makes you happier but the facts are totally different from you reasoning.
Joe Vella
Jul 17th 2012, 10:21
D. Xerri, l'Instabilita kienet fi zmien tal PL. Kemm Politkikament, Ekonimament, hu ghanki Vjolenzja kontra l'istess Poplu Malti. Illum ghandhek Xghol kemm trid, tkabbir Ekonomiku w serhan tar ras fejn kulhadd huwa fl' liberta li jispressi ruhu minajr ma jhares wara dahru.
R Axisa
Jul 17th 2012, 10:39
U zguuuuuuuuur! Fejn taf int???
Ms Xaxa Caruana
Jul 17th 2012, 11:26
@Joe Vella
hehheeh Do you live in MaLTA???? Nuhhhhh dont think so ta.
Mark Amaira
Jul 17th 2012, 10:10
Ix xidha ta Jonh Dalli bill fors trid tinstema ghax jekk le il P.N ikun falla. Ghax dik ic-cirasa fuq il cake ha tkun, u kif hadd min dawn li qedin jikumentaw ghawn ghadu qatt ma semma dak ir-ricording ta R.C.C li intwera il birah
Anthony Arpa
Jul 17th 2012, 10:02
il PN ghandu jwarrab lil dawk kollha li mhux qed ihossuwhom komdi fil partit, meta dawn anki jekk jafu li qedin f'partit hazin qed jaghmlu min kollox biex jzommu posthom fil partit ... U wara il PN ghandu jhalli lil poplu jidecciedi bil vot tijaw lil min se jafda biex immexxi dan il pajjiz .....
M Saliba
Jul 17th 2012, 10:35
Meta tgħid PN qed tfisser GonziPN? ghax din hi l-egħruq tal-problema.
John Caruana
Jul 17th 2012, 10:00
Kollox ma kolloxJPO ta kontribut kbir lil pajjiz u lil partit u l-pajjiz politici bhal JPO irid mhux YES MEN. Jiddfispjacini nghid li tkun hasra li nitilfu nies tat-tip JPO mill-partit. Jekk se noqghodu nkissru politici bhal JPO u Debono ma nafx fejn se naslu.l Jidhirli wkoll li l-vot fl-esekuttiv ghandu jsir sigriet mhux show of hands bhal pajjizi dittatorjali. Anke it-tajjir personali ghandna naqtawh mill-partit darba ghal dejjem.
John Scerri
Jul 17th 2012, 09:59
JPO WARNS HE WOULD LEAVE THE PN IF HE SEES 'A FARCE'
JPO should have left quite some time ago .
Internal feuds are eating away the PN like termites .
The once most popular political party needs a break to rearrange itself.
D. Xerri
Jul 17th 2012, 09:53
Tkompli Tohrog il-Qasma Interna fi Hdan il-P.N.
GonziPN ikompli jissielet biex jibqa iggranfat mal-Poter akkost ta Kollox - filwaqt li Malta tkompli tiffaccja instabilita kontinwa !
Jason Falzon
Jul 17th 2012, 09:51
Whatever you do please spare us and don't cry. If I was a betting man, I'd bet a tenner on you switching sides in next election
Joe Vella
Jul 17th 2012, 09:45
Go Jeffrey go, Get EFA going.
j brincat
Jul 17th 2012, 09:33
Wonder who will meet JPO outside Pieta's Caffeteria ooops PN Quarters!
(jb)
Philip Hili
Jul 17th 2012, 09:31
Maaaaa!!! Maaaannnnn!!!!
X'daqqa ta' harta dik jekk "he will leave the PN"!!!!!!
Ommi Ma!!! x'ser jigrilu l-PN!!!!!!!
MANN!! IMISSEK ILEK LI TLAQ U HALLEJT IL-PN
Clayton Borg
Jul 17th 2012, 10:37
Ma jmiskhomx sforzajtuh jibki quddiem Malta shiha halli tirbhu s-'sympathy votes'. Ipokriti.
Tonio Farrugia
Jul 17th 2012, 09:30
JPO, you take your departure with pleasure.
Why wait till this evening?
If need be we go to a general election... and the people will choose. Either way it goes, we are sick and tired of you and of Dr. Debono.
We have much more pressing issues to face!!!!... just imagine what will happen once Italy asks for bailout!...and its close, the spread is on 500 points!!!!
Let's just work on saving ourselves and stop crying (excuse the pan).
C. Bonnici
Jul 17th 2012, 09:57
Did you say 500 points? Or 500 Eur per week?
Tonio Farrugia
Jul 17th 2012, 11:23
@ C. Bonnici
Spread (tal-Bonds) not Euros!!!!!! ........ forget politics, this is economics, and it is very serious!
j brincat
Jul 17th 2012, 09:29
@Richard Caruana
"Go JPOS, go and leave the PN in peace"
That's just wishful thinking, isn't it?
Did you tell the PN MPs in 1998 to leave Dr Sant in peace? If your memory serves you right Dr Sant was not elected by a mere quarter of a quota as was GonziPN in 2008.
Didn't your beloved PN MPs vote, for convenience sake, with their lifelong foe - the Dom? Do you remember that years earlier they wanted the Dom crucified. But the love for power makes one do anything AND when the PN had in opposition for just 22 months!
Now the PN has been in power for nearly a quarter of century and the majority has had enough of them!
(jb)
M Grima
Jul 17th 2012, 09:23
Wow, every time JPO speaks the below PN apologists go into panic mode. Tonight we shall again witness how democracy is defined by the PN.
Mr David Ganado
Jul 17th 2012, 09:41
So according to you, when JPO utters complete fallacies we should all applaud him in the spirit of freedom of expression....go figure...
If you read the comments properly (i.e. Understand what is written), you will note that the majority of the comments are simply refuting the history according to JPO. What happened with the vote for the republic is well documented, so for JPO to come along (on the PL media obviously) and try giving his own version of history is just too much to accept.
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 17th 2012, 09:19
In my opinion JPO has signed his own fate by his declaration about Dr. Eddie Fenech Adami. This great leader who is still very much in the hearts of all PN followers has brought democracy back to our Islands when we were all doomed to dictatorship.
You must really have your back to the wall to make such comparisons. I do not even have to back up Dr. Fenech Adami since he does not need my assistance and am convinced he will reply to your accusations.
However, I limit my remarks to your attitude, which even if you had all the good faith and reason you can never go against the party whip, unless you declare yourself independent.
Dr. Lawrence Gonzi gave a free vote in the case of divorce and consequently he had all the right according to his conscience to vote against divorce. If the party did not give the free vote and the party through the whip declared in favour of divorce Dr. Gonzi would have had his obligation to vote against his conscience and vote in favour of divorce.
This is a fundamental reasoning and no matter how right you can be ultimately you are totally wrong in your attitude and now you have to face the consequences. The PN Executive had no alternative but to condition your actions otherwise the PN would be a party of the jungle.
Even your declaration of disserting the party does not in any way make any difference because threats do not form part of the PN statute.
MISSIERI KIEN JGHID "MIN JGHAMILA MAZ ZOP ISSIR ZOP BHALU"
R. Balzan
Jul 17th 2012, 09:36
@ Henry Fenech Azzopardi - it's a perfect comparison and JPO had every right to mention it. It's a historical fact that EFA and a number of other PN parliamentarians voted against the PN's wishes in favour of the Republican constitution put forward by Dom Mintoff and the labour Party. That was an admirable move and so was JPO's in voting to remove from office RCC.
HENRY FENECH AZZOPARDI
Jul 17th 2012, 11:09
@ R. Bazan.
Your records are incorrect. the comparison made is way out of the true facts since in the case of Dr. Fenech Adami it was a free vote and no one did go against the party directives whereas JPO blatantly defied the party whip to justify his ego.
The facts cannot be twisted to justify any wrong doing by anyone. JPO has gone over the line and he has to face the music. His attitude is beyond party framing. He got away with the way he went along his personal motion on divorce but this time the strength and unity of the party has been treathened and who is not prepared to go by the party rules has to leave even if this means an early election.
The party will emerge stronger and stronger and I am convinced that even if the PN will lose the coming elections (which I doubt) in the long run it will become stronger by default of the party in Government.
Joe Caruana
Jul 17th 2012, 09:14
@ Mr H. Stafrace - "spend your time supporting your future wife in her Labour campaign". In actual fact he and his other two friends are not only supporting the Labour campaign, they are more formidable opposition and more effective than Dr Muscat himself. The tragedy of all this is that, while past events, which might or might not have happend are being racked up from the annals of history for their selfish and vindictive aims, there is no focus on the present and future challenges facing Malta in the context of Europe. As to the nonsense of "parliament ahead of the party", people elected them on the basis of their party's policies and future visions. It is nonsensical to say that they do not have to toe the party line once elected. By accepting their party's nomination to run in an election, by default they are pledging their commitment / loyalty to the party and the policies and visions espoused by the party. In other words, using an Australian phrase, they cannot "rat" on their own party. This farce needs to be sorted out sooner rather than later as the longer it goes on the greater are the consequences for MALTA..
Jason Coleiro
Jul 17th 2012, 09:10
xi dwejjaq ta politikanti u ta pajjiz. Ahjar jirrangaw is sistema l ewwel mhux jahlu l hin fuq dac cucati.Hemm hafna aktar prijoritajiet qabel min dal hela ta hin ta dawn in nies.
Richard Caruana
Jul 17th 2012, 09:07
Go JPOS, go and leave the PN in peace.
How dare you try to justify the unjustifiable. What a sad person, to even think that EFA went against the party line in 1974 when there was a free vote. What a horrible man. I really feel disgusted now and hope you leave the PN even before your hearing starts this evening.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 09:32
Richard Caruana: If you had followed the interview of JPO this morning, you would not have written what you wrote !
Anthony Scicluna
Jul 17th 2012, 09:52
Eddy
Do NOT rewrite history please. Check your facts. Only 6 PN MPs abstained in 1974. The rest voted in favour of the republic. A total of 49 'ayes' in favour of the formation of a republic. EFA was in favour of the Republic
Also do you compare the formation of a republic against what is becoming blatantly obvious (even to the most hard line of Labourites) a personal grudge between the two?
Let's try and be Maltese and rational before becoming divided through partisanship. We are all Maltese and we must defend our history against people trying to rewrite facts
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 10:21
Anthony Scicluna: Where have I said that there were 4 PN MPs who did not vote for the Republican Constitution ? I was there in the House when that vote was taken and hence know that there were 6 MPs who remained seated when the vote was taken.
Anthony Scicluna
Jul 17th 2012, 11:09
so what's your point about Richard Caruana, Eddy? Isn't what he said true? Or is it dejjem kuntrarju? We're all Maltese here so I do not see why you should not point out the error by JPO simply to rock a boat. If that is the case then it is true that MLP just want to destabilise the country for the sake of it and do not have the true interest of Malta at heart
Hossam Helwani
Jul 17th 2012, 09:01
I think that jpo has shown his true colours now. I think he is struggling to play a game of wits. He wants to show us how honourable he is by doing what he thinks is right. Let us tell you what is right, to stop these cunning manipulations. You did enough manipulation crying in front of the camera in 2008. Well I did not believe you and many didn't either. If you really wish to show the nation how patriotic you are do us a favour and fade away.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 09:34
Hossam Helwani: the manipulation was similar to the manipulation which GonziPN is doing now to cover-up for RCC. Instead of a "frame-up" we are seeing a " cover-up " !
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 09:34
Hossam Helwani: the manipulation was similar to the manipulation which GonziPN is doing now to cover-up for RCC. Instead of a "frame-up" we are seeing a " cover-up " !
Edgar Apap
Jul 17th 2012, 09:41
Mr Hossam JPO Is Being Persecuted Because He Is Fighting For Accountability And True Democracy . As A Long Time Nationalist Supporter I Always Tried My Best To Do The Same . I Never Succeded And Was Brushed Aside Because Arrogance Have Been Supreme For Many A Year In Gonzi Pn . JPO Took On The Church , The PN And A Small Section Of The MLP In His Fight For Divorce And Won . That By Itself Is Historic And Never Been Achieved Before Not Even By The Great Dom Mintoff Himself . Now How Is That For A CV ?
JOSEPH MUSCAT
Jul 18th 2012, 19:53
@Hossan Helwani This man J.P.O. is a THORN on your back side remember he helped you win the last election with HIS crying,and all you ask for now is, VENDETTAS against him[ democrazija tal PARTIT NAZJONALISTA] Maybe your faith..
victor caruana
Jul 17th 2012, 09:01
Calm down and enjoy the night.
Anthony Arpa
Jul 17th 2012, 08:57
Meta nies hekk bhall dawn it 3 ribelli jibdew kampanja biex jiprruvaw jiggustifikaw ruhom u jidhru fuq il media li hafna drabi tkun qed tiehu l okkazjoni mis sitwazjoni ... Dawn ikomplu iktar jizbaljaw b;dak li jajdu u dawn ikomplu jerqu. Dawn ikunu jafu li qed jerqu u jipruvaw jerqu lil haddihor maghom ... imma din il mossa ftit tirnexxi fiz zminijiet tal lum ...
Mauro debattista
Jul 17th 2012, 08:53
Kemm jinstemghu li hawn bazuzli nkwetati fil-kummenti t'hawn taht.
Mr David Ganado
Jul 17th 2012, 09:35
No one is worried Mr. Debattista. The inevitable will probably happen and PL will win the next election. What is annoying most Nationalists are the blatant lies and misrepresentations of JPOS.
When he voted parliament, he voted against the directives of the whip whilst when EFA voted for the Republic it was a free vote so there was no obligation on him to follow what his leader was doing.
If you cannot understand a simple parliamentary procedure you may as well stop commenting here since obviously you are simply wasting time and space.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 10:50
David Ganado: You are just concentrating on one of so many points raised by JPo in his interview this morning. This shows that you have no counter-argument to all the other points raised by JPO about RCC !
Mario Micallef
Jul 17th 2012, 08:52
Kellu bzonn JPO jaghmel nitfa milli ghamel EFA sabiex jkun jista jitqabbel x'ghamel wiehed ma' wiehed!!! lanqas ix-xita fejn in-nida! u hallina!!! hadd mhu ikbar mill-partit!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 09:39
Mario Micallef: Veru jew mhux veru li qal JPO, li Fenech Adami - u ohrajn- kien ivvota mal-gvern laburista u KONTRA l-pozizzjoni tal-PN u tal-Kap tal-partit, Dr. G. Borg Olivier ???????????
Mario Micallef
Jul 17th 2012, 10:19
Sur Privitera...jekk ma ghamel xejn lilek l-ewwel wiehed tak id-dritt li ssemma lehnek minghajr biza!
Ruben Hili
Jul 17th 2012, 08:50
Tista titlaq mil llum JPO......mhux ser nibkuk!!!!
R. Balzan
Jul 17th 2012, 09:45
@ Rubern Hili - sewwa ghidtlu. U l-anqas se tibku lil Franco Debono u lil Mugliett. Se tibku biss it-tkaxkira nobis li hemm lesta ghalikom.
Philip Hili
Jul 17th 2012, 10:21
@ R. Balzan
Sur Balzan, kemm inti qalbek qawwija!!! Mhux bhal Laburisti affari taghhom u genwini li veru jhobbu l-Partit Laburista u ta' l- ghax dawn qeghdin jaraw hames snin ohra fil-bankijiet ta' l-oppozizzjoni b'din il-mossa!!!!!
Ma tantx qeghdin jiehdu pjacir!!!!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 10:48
Philip Hili: Nahseb li hemm sorprizi ohra ghal-GonziPN li forsi Lawrence Gonzi qatt ma jissoponi li jistghu jigru ! U nahseb li anki dak in-nhar ikollkhom ghal x'hiex tibku !
Philip Hili
Jul 17th 2012, 15:32
Eddy Privitera:- Jaqaw ser tirrispondini u tghdli ghal Karmenu Vella baqa halqu maghluq ghal 15 il-sena shah fuq dan is-suggett?
joseph saliba
Jul 17th 2012, 08:43
I consider JPO's confrontational behaviour offensive towards the majority of the Nationalist Party. The sooner he 'reconsiders his position within the party' the quicker the 'blot' with which he is smearing the PN will disappear.
John L Galea
Jul 17th 2012, 08:39
"The Nationalist MP defended his decision to go to PN headquarters on Thursday accompanied by security guards, saying that the presence of certain people outside the door justified his decision." - The PN is a very democratic party so democratic that it threatens everyone who does not agree with it. They do this to their own members imagine what would they do to those who don't support their dictatorship.
M. Zammit
Jul 17th 2012, 09:02
Why, what are they doing to you? Do you go around with bodyguards?
John L Galea
Jul 17th 2012, 09:29
I don't go around with bodyguards because I am no threat to the PN. But ask those who are and their families too!!
Drocan Lubstuit
Jul 17th 2012, 09:49
@ M. Zammit
Ask RCC what they did to him!!!
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 10:29
M. zammit. The PN, and now GonziPn , have their own way how to get at those who critizize them. They do it when you apply for a government job. Or when you apply for a promotion. Or when you apply for social housing
etc..etc..
This is much worse than having someone come up to you and hitting you. Because being denied a job, promotion, or any other form of political discrimination, can affect your whole life ! I know, as I have suffered this kind of psychological violence and have a court document to prove it !
Anthony Mercieca
Jul 17th 2012, 08:27
It appears that JPO wants to manipulate history. The PN in its majority - exception 6 MPs wanted to vote in favour of the new constitution. It is true that contrary was the PN leader Dr. George Borg Oliver but GBO gave a free vote to the PN deputies that time. This situation is very much different from what JPO did in parliament. This approach by JPO also questions whether it is him colluding with MLP when at the same time he is accusing RCC of such. You fooled the people about the Mistra saga JPO but that lost you all credibility.
Anthony Mercieca
Mr Anthony Briffa
Jul 17th 2012, 08:27
I cannot see why he is trying to manipulate public opinion with his reactions to anything related to this face he ceated for himself.
RCC announced end of last week that he will take legal action against Mr. Mizzi.
He is not talking for the PN and floating voters of course. His approach is only sweet talk for people who are counting their chickens before they are hatched.
Hallina kwieti JPO.
H Stafrace
Jul 17th 2012, 08:21
How petty. Are you somehow comparing yourself to Dr Fenech Adami by any chance. Leave us in peace Mr JPO and spend your time supporting your future wife in her Labour campaign.
Richard Caruana
Jul 17th 2012, 08:14
What is this guy about?
ALL the Nationalist MPs voted in favour of the Republic except six who didn't even vote against but abstained.
JPOS's history is really rusty. To mention this episode he's really scraping the barrel.
Gianninu Saliba
Jul 17th 2012, 08:07
How dare you accuse Dr. Fenech Adamin of voting against Party line in 1974? Now you have proved that you are either ill informed or you are deliberately hiding the truth. Dr. Fenech Adami, together with most of the Party leadership which included Dr. Censu Tabone, Dr. Guido de Marco, Dr. Ugo Mifsud Bonnici and all the other Nationalist MPs with the exception of four which included Dr. George Borg Olivier voted in favour of the republic. The then Party whip gave a free vote and, if I recall correctly, he also voted in favour of the republic. JPO, shame on you. Resign from parliament with immediate effect as you no longer represent the electorate that voted you in. You have betrayed them all, yes, you have been dishonest to all of us who hold high the names of all mentioned above. Your behaviour is disgusting.
Joe Felice-Pace
Jul 17th 2012, 08:34
Mr Saliba, you are correct. I was present in the House reporting for The Times. What I am not sure about is whether six, and not four, abstained.
John L Galea
Jul 17th 2012, 08:45
Someone is a littlebit hot-headed and burning at the moment eeehhh Ganninu.
Jay Oatmon
Jul 17th 2012, 08:07
It is obvious to me that the PN leadership uses double standards to deal with internal dissent.
Whenever it is convenient it will invoke a suitable 'party rule' and it will simply disregard and not mention the 'party rule' when it is inconvenient.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 17th 2012, 08:01
Pullicino Orlando defied and voted against the Party whip to serve his own private agenda. Dr Eddie Fenech Adami was not selfishly motivated and he DID NOT vote against any party whip. That is the big difference.
John L Galea
Jul 17th 2012, 08:42
EFA voted against his leader...lol...what's the difference?
Mario Camilleri
Jul 17th 2012, 09:25
Pullicino Orlando voted in against RCC's behaviour who is not en elected person and in favour of his expulsion from the party. EFA wanted to take leadership, so he did after 3 years. Isn't that selfishness???
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Jul 17th 2012, 09:44
I have never seen a man so blind as Francis Saliba MD. Who determines whether EFA acted in his personal interest or not? After all, he ended up Borg Olivier's successor! "Not saying nothing!"
Tommy Vella
Jul 17th 2012, 09:47
@Mario Camilleri
If that was selfishness, thank goodness for THAT selfishness. Without EFA leading the fight against the undemocratic dictatorial MLP(1981-1987) we would never have got to where we are, a very democratic, free, modern country enjoying its rightful place among other modern democratic free European states.
Who knows we may even have become a vassal in Europe of North Korea!
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Jul 17th 2012, 11:31
Mario, where you are is as a laughing stock of the world. Well, if that's what you mean by democracy, good on you and on EFA.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 17th 2012, 11:40
@ John L Galea, Mario Camilleri, & Joseph Carmel Chetcuti.
The trouble with you is that you have succeeded to fool yourself and to swallow unquestioningly the output from the MLP propaganda lie factory in which you are very minor cogwheels.
The Nationalist Party is not a dictatorship and as long as there is no party whip members of parliament vote according to their conscience as a matter of routine.
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Jul 17th 2012, 12:29
Francis, fancy the pot calling the kettle black! You and your party should be renamed April Fool's PN.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jul 17th 2012, 13:17
@ John L Galea, today at 08:42.
Instead of typing a lot of fullstops and a lol you should stop and ponder that when an MP votes differently from his leader he is not thereby voting against his leader as long as it is a free vote not subject to the party whip. That is the diffrence.
Mario Camilleri
Jul 17th 2012, 13:37
@Francis Saliba M.D.,
"The Nationalist Party is not a dictatorship" - Can't say you're not biased!!! On the other some humour doesn't hurt!!
On the other hand, in case you forgot, Michael Gonzi, Lawrence's brother stated on the divorce issue when he said that although he voted no in the referendum, he would be a dictator if he voted against the peoples' will.
And do you remember when PBO sent an email to Jason Micallef, by mistake? Was that democratic?
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20081215/local/borg-olivier-e-mail-sent-to-ministry-official-by-mistake.237289
Lawrence Bonello
Jul 17th 2012, 07:59
JPO should read the late Profs. De Marco's biography 'The Politics of Persuasion' wherein the episode is described at length by somebody who was in the thick of things at the time. That book makes excellent reading with some Earl Grey, Jeff!!
Anthony Arpa
Jul 17th 2012, 07:57
Ghalura dan iffiser li JPO jlu dawn is snien kollha f'partit li ghandu dawn l affarijiet hziena .... u issa dan li jaf li caw caw il hajja ploitika tieghu qed iddur fuq il passat ... in nies li jinpurthom x'qed issier il lum u mhux snien snien ijlu ...
Deo Catania
Jul 17th 2012, 08:33
Anthony Arpa ghandek zball ta ghax shabek in-Nazzjonalisti laqa ta' gonzipn hlief isemmu 70s u 80s ma jaghmlux, erhilha li jivvintaw xeba gideb u jdawwru l-fatti. ibda minn Giov DeMartino, staqsih jekk jinpurtahx il-prezent jew il-passat.
John L Galea
Jul 17th 2012, 08:42
@Anthony Arpa: "in nies li jinpurthom x'qed issier il lum u mhux snien snien ijlu ..." - Sa fejn jaf kulhadd il-PN u s-supporters tieghu dejjem joqghodu jduru ghal-passat u s-snin 80 u hafna bla bla bla iehor biex jippruvaw ibezzaw lin-nies mill-PL. Il-kumment tieghek juri kemm tal-PN huma nies ipokriti.
Mr Anthony Zarb
Jul 17th 2012, 08:45
dahhal id-divorzju ghall-interessi personali tieghu, kisser lil RCC ghal vendetta personali.....fejn hi l-imhabba lejn in nazzjon. Fejn ghandek gvern izomm b'maggoranza zghira u b'membru wiehed hemm cans kbir kif fil-fatt qed jigri biex membri tal-kamra jigbdu lejn xawwathom mhux lejn il pajjiz...l-agenda tal-individwu qed tirrenja mhux il gid komuni. Ma nistghux nibqghu sejrin hekk........
Hemm bzonn li dan il pajjiz jimmatura billi jaghti cans veru ghat tielet partit biex jibbilancja din il-gwerra bejn zewg partiti li ma tantx hemm x'taghzel bejnietom.....!
Giovanni Rizzo
Jul 17th 2012, 10:03
HEMM IL-BIZA TAT-TIELET PARTIT.
Tony Fenech
Jul 17th 2012, 10:33
@Mr. Anthony Zarb, int ghid:dahhal id-divorzju ghall-interessi personali tieghu. qeghdin fit 2012 u d-dinja kolla barra Il Filippini mghandomx divorzju, hu pacenzja u tinsinwax gideb ghax il-poplu vvota kontra r-rieda ta siehbek Dr.Gonzi. Dan ma kienx wahdu kellu maggoranza favur tieghu, ghamlulu min kollox biex ikasbruh, hu kull ma ghandu argument ma RCC li Dr.Gonzi diga ghamel pregudizzju, allura diga nqatet li kull ma jesepixxi RCC bhal billboards ezatt Dr.Gonzi ma jridx jisma.
Eddy Privitera
Jul 17th 2012, 10:36
Anthony zarb: Kieku ma kienx ghal-JPO, kieku saret simenterija fis-Siggiewi, thaffret barriera ta' 4 sulari quddiem il-Kon-Katidral ta' San Gwann bil-konsegwenzi katastrofici li kien isofri l wiehed mill-akbar u l-aqwa monument i li ghandna ! Kien il-biza li jitlef il-vot fil-parlament li Gonzi waqqaf dawk il-progetti !
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