JPO told Cachia Caruana last week his vote would not be personal
PN: Rebel MPs will ‘face political consequences’
Nationalist MP Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando last week assured Richard Cachia Caruana he would never vote against him for “personal reasons”.
On Monday he voted with Labour on a motion calling for the resignation of Malta’s Permanent Representative to the EU, a move that left the Prime Minister stunned and the Nationalist Party warning of “consequences”.
But Dr Pullicino Orlando says Lawrence Gonzi should not have been surprised.
“I have been speaking about this till I was blue in the face for four years. I decided not to contest the next election because I have given up,” he said yesterday.
“You cannot have a civil servant targeting, sidelining and attacking valid MPs from the same party. The opposition motion spoke about respect towards Parliament. The people I mentioned are all parliamentarians, past or present.
“Criticising a person politically is one thing but to destroy or discard them simply because they do not bow down to you is unacceptable and anti-democratic.”
Dr Pullicino Orlando repeated his accusation that Mr Cachia Caruana, also a PN strategist, tried to bring him down after using him “manipulatively” during the election campaign.
Dr Pullicino Orlando said he had a courteous meeting with Mr Cachia Caruana at the backbencher’s house last week. “I assured him of one thing: I would never vote for personal reasons. I would never stoop to that level.”
Asked if this left Mr Cachia Caruana believing he was safe, Dr Pullicino Orlando said: “That was up to him.” But while Dr Pullicino Orlando insists his motivations were not personal, the PN believes otherwise.
A spokesman said MPs who vote against party lines would face “political consequences”, which would be discussed internally.
“The real point at issue is not the disciplinary consequences but the evident and manifest personal motivations that (on Monday) spurred MPs voting in favour of the motion,” the spokesman said.
While Dr Pullicino Orlando voted against the government, Nationalist MP Jesmond Mugliett chose to abstain.
Mr Mugliett also denied voting for personal reasons and distanced himself from Dr Pullicino Orlando’s arguments about MPs being sidelined by Mr Cachia Caruana. “I was not trying to make that point,” he said.
He abstained to “underline” that even if there was no legal obligation to discuss Malta’s Partnership for Peace membership in Parliament, this should have been done anyway because there was no electoral mandate.
“Such an important issue should have been brought for discussion to gain consensus. There was no need for this haste,” he said, adding he made a similar point in a debate on EU law.
Asked why Mr Cachia Caruana should be the one to resign for such a shortcoming, Mr Mugliett pointed out Mr Cachia Caruana claimed he heard of Malta’s membership only after the election.
“Well, we have Richard’s word for that but he was very close to the Prime Minister in those days. He was one of the strategists of the election.”
Asked if this meant he did not believe Mr Cachia Caruana, he said: “It raised a lot of questions.”
Mr Mugliett said he considered his vote for days but only took a decision late Monday evening.
Dr Pullicino Orlando yesterday continued to criticise Mr Cachia Caruana’s “closeness” to columnist Daphne Caruana Galizia.
He said it was unacceptable for high-ranking PN and government officials to “cavort” with her when she “disgustingly” derided Nationalist “icons” like the late President Emeritus Guido de Marco.
“It is precisely because of this situation that I voted like I did yesterday. Otherwise I would have been giving him a stamp of validity to this type of behaviour.”
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Alison Bezzina
Jun 24th 2012, 11:39
In Malta the personal is SO political that it’s a never-ending web of whims and whines, likes and dislikes, which ultimately dilutes meritocracy to a weak cabbage soup of farts.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120623/blogs/the-personal-is-political.425603
William Caligari
Jun 21st 2012, 20:45
@ Nenu Aquilina To-day 13;31
Nahseb li mieghek huwa hin mitluf.
Kun af li l-fidi hija haga personali.
Personalment inhossni kburi li twieled nisrani , ghaddni u hekk zgur li sa' nitlaq min din id-dinja.
Il-hazin li nara fik Nenu, huwa, li inti qatt li qatt ma tfahhar dak li ssar mill-partit Laburista , avolja ssar skond it-taghlim ta' Alla. " Hobb lill proxxmu tieghek kif thobb lilek innifsek"
Zgur li m'ghandek ebda dritt li tghajjar lill proxxmu tieghek ,"imissu jisthi" Din hi mhabba lejn il-proxxmu!!!
Liema Alla tak din is-seta'?
M'intiex sa' tghidli li titla fuq l-Artal tircievi l-Ewkaristija, qabel ma mort taghmel paci ma min ghajjart hux?
Jekk dan hu l-kaz, allura ghandek twarrab immedjatament mill-pulitika, ghaliex fejn tidhol ir-ruh
ebda idolu pulitika mhu sa' jistennek fil-bieb tal-genna sabiex jghidlek "welcome Nenu"
Intik parir Nenu, hawn hafna familji batuti, ara x'tista taghmel ghalihom, dak huwa l'akbar gid li tista
taghmel.Jekk trid tkun taf minnhuma, staqsi lill Appogg u ghaqdiet religjuzi.
William Caligari
Jun 21st 2012, 13:24
@ Giov.Demartino, yesterday 18;39
Nahseb veru li ma fhimt xejn.
Imma kif tista tifhem,tant qeghdin imhawwdin li tispicca biex ma tifhem xejn.!!!
Skond kif jivvotaw xi membri parlamentari tal- PN,arakhom thawdu lil qarrejja.
Imma inti Sur Demartino nntelligenti bizzejjed sabiex tifhem.
L-argument tieghi kien "rispett lejn il-membri parlamentari kollha"
Issa ghaliex tfacca JPO u Jesmond Mulljiet, allura Giovanni ihawwad lil qarrejja!!
Imma din serjeta?!?!?
Angelo Vassallo
Jun 21st 2012, 09:37
@ EDDIE privitera
Dawk l-10 m'huma xejn hlief frott ta' l-immaginazzjoni fertili hafna ta' JPO. Jekk hu ragel JPO bhal ma ddejjaqx ikecci l-barra lill RCC m'ghandux jiddejjaq jikxef min huma dawk l-ghaxra. JPO din lilkom il-lejburisti bellahhilkom, imma lillna le.
Tajjeb li tkun taf li JPO ghadu ma accettax l-isfida biex jirrepeti barra l-parlament dak li qal fuq Daphne Caruana Galizia fil-parlament.
ILLUMMINAJTEK BIZZEJJED EDDIE privitera.
Joseph Attard
Jun 21st 2012, 10:18
Jista jkun li JPO bellaghhilna. Ghandu habta jbellaghha lin-nies dak JPO
. Lil PM kien tah l-impressjoni li ghandu grupp parlamentari maghqud. Imma wara nduna li kienet biss cajta ta' JPO
fred sammut
Jun 21st 2012, 11:51
let say you right....... so why...
HE mentioned Daphne : (
HE mentioned Holy Father JOE BORG
HE metioned LOU Bondi
and
did Franco Debono named RCC by NAME??
what about Mugliet ?
what about the slow punchair? - Arrigo
what about ix xewka f subghajgh iz zghjir il- Prim Ministru
Mr Angelo you are supporting a Guy who voted against 35,000 ppl majority in the referendoum......!!
William Caligari
Jun 21st 2012, 09:31
@ Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Yesterday 17;49
Il-bierah f'xi 19;30 tajtek twegiba ghall-ittra tieghek,ghall-xi raguni baqghet fid-dlam,fit-timesofmalta.com
Nittama li l-lum tasal it-twegiba ohra.
Nenu tidher li tipprattika rreligjon kif jaqbel lilek biss!!
Xi dritt ghandek li takkuza lil haddiehor f'isem ir-Religjon u tuzgha tajjir lejn il-proxxmu?
Mill-kitba tieghek turi mentalita' fqira.
Taf li bniedem mahluq liberu?
Taf li hawn nies "coward"
Taf li dnub li tapproffeta ruhek, sabiex tbezza lil haddiehor?
Taf li int fil-kitba tieghek kontinwament trid li kulhadd jahseb bhalek?
Xi dritt ghandek tghajjar lilli inissni nisthi? Int x'int?
Jaqghu int San Gwann thabbar il-migja tal-Mulej?
Nenu intik parir, zomm ruhek il-boghod mill-politika, altrimenti tkun imzebblah!!
Hu dan li qed nghidlek bis-spirtu ta' habieb.
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Jun 21st 2012, 13:31
Sur William Caligari,
Nikkwota:Nenu intik parir, zomm ruhek il-boghod mill-politika, altrimenti tkun imzebblah!!
Hu dan li qed nghidlek bis-spirtu ta' habieb.
U jien fuq waħda biss jidhirl li għandi nirrispondik bħala ħabieb!
Interessa ruħek fil-politika, żomm ruħek qrib tal-politika, u permezz tal-politika għamel il-ġid lill għajrek, u mhux tkisser lill-għajrek, għax Alla hekk irid!
Kunn dejjem qrib Alla, għax għalkemm tiġi imżeblaħ mill-bnedmin, minn Alla ma tiġi imżeblaħ qatt u qatt, Sur William Caligari?
Iva jien għandi dritt ngħid li għandu jistħi minn minn ħajtu jwarrab lill-Alla li ħalqu u qed iżommu ħaj, Sur Caligari!
Paul Gauci
Jun 21st 2012, 04:32
This is what happens when you fool the people and steal an election. Serves you right Lawrence!
Henry S Pace
Jun 20th 2012, 21:01
JPO told Cachia Caruana last week his vote would not be personal
' A FRIEND INDEED IS A FRIEND IN NEED OR ' A FRIEND IN NEED IS A FRIEND INDEED
A. Mizzi
Jun 20th 2012, 19:12
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120620/local/Pullicino-Orlando-It-wasn-t-personal.425095
IS Dr. Gonzi taking this vote as personal?
That is the question!
The answer, HE SHOULD ....or his coterie / clique/ oligarchy should!
Henry S Pace
Jun 20th 2012, 18:31
' JPO told Cachia Caruana last week his vote would not be personal '
NOTHING PRSONAL HOWEVER, JPO VOTED FOR RCC TO BE REMOVED.
A FRIEND IN NEED IS A FRIEND INDEED
Jes Pace
Jun 20th 2012, 17:44
It is very worring and is a huge concern of all humble citizens who are effected, financially, economically or otherwise, by votes taken at our Supreme Institution, the Maltese Parliament, which votes are frankly being made on the basis on personal issues & agendas by our Parliamentarians. It is, in my opinion - to say the least - very irresponsible and disrespectful to the electorate.
Malta (all of us) is ultimately the victim...... I am not sure if any one cares anymore!
George Cutajar
Jun 20th 2012, 17:34
Rewind to 2008 Election - JPO & Mugliette were portrayed by Labour as corrupt.
Fast Forward June 2012 - JPO and Mugliette are now portrayed as the darlings of the Labout press.
Can anybody explain this sudden change of heart?
Edmond Micallef
Jun 20th 2012, 18:22
The same way Dom Mintoff was beatified by the all-new nationalist TV station's board of directors way back in 1998. Plain and simple.
As they say, what is good for the goose is good for the gender.
Charles Massa
Jun 20th 2012, 18:40
L istess gralhom tal PN. 2008 KIENU VITTMI, ISSA IQISUHOM TRADITURI
Mary Ann Borg
Jun 20th 2012, 22:16
B'differenza wahda Sur Massa. Qatt m'ghidna li huma Salvaturi !
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 17:06
@Sur William Caligari,
Minn ħalla lill Alla il-bogħod minnu saħta ġabb fuqu, Sur Caligari!
Minn għajr Alla il-kollu magħna ma nagħmlu xejn, lanqas nifs ma nieħdu, Sur Caligari!
Jekk mu tkunx qrib Alla f’kull mument u f’kull okkażżjoni, qrib minn tried tkun, Sur Caligari?
Istħi Sur Caligari titkellem hekk fuq il-preżenza ta’ Alla fill ħajja ta’ kuljum tagħna ċ-ċittadini Maltin u Għawdxin!
Sur Caligari jien inteliġenti biżżejjed biex ma nieħux il-parir tieghek u inħalli lill-Alla bogħod minni, anzi jien inħeġġeġ l-ewwel wieħed lilhek biex ma Alla ma tiċċajtax, u biex tkun verament inteliġenti, u ma dan Alla trid iżżom l-akbar ħbiberija u kuntatt il-ħin kollu!
Lill Alla irringrazjaħ f’kull Ħin u f’ kull mument, Sur Caligari, u mhux iżżom il-bogħod minnu!
@Sur M. Grima,
Dawk il-mistoqsijiet jien għamiltom lill-poplu Malti u Għawdxi kollu, inklużi l-membri kollha tal-parlament , għax il-poplu Malti u Għawdxi, bil-vot tiegħu jtella lill-parlamentari tagħna fil-parlament!
U allura il-poplu Malti u Għawdxi kollu jinħtieġ li jagħmel dawn il-mistoqsijiet lilu innifsu, u jara lill minn verament jixraqlu li jiġi f’dat li jirrappreżentaħ fil-parlament, Sur Grima!
Jien anzi nkompli nistaqsi ukoll lill Unions Maltin, għax bħall ma’ sar dan kollu ma’ l-Ambaxxatur Richard Cachia Caruana jista jiġri ma’ kull-ħaddiem u ċittadin Malti!
Il-Unions ser jagħmlu fuq dan kolu li ġara lill dan il-ħaddiem proffessjonali?
Iva Poplu Malti u Għawdxi għandek kull dritt li tkun taf lill minn ser tivvota biex jirrappreżentak fil-parlament, u dak li ma hux ġentlom m’għandekx tavdaħ bit-tmexxija ta’ pajjiżek u tal-valuri li tħaddan!
Iva poplu Malti u Għawdxi għandek raġun tinkwieta, għax mhux affarijiet li jiġru f’demokrazija!
Mela allura ħsiebek hemm poplu Malti u Għawdxi, għax dak li dawn in-nies għamlu lill-Ambaxxatur Richard Cachia Caruana, jidher li ma jiddejqu xejn li jagħmlu l-istess ma kull ċittadin Malti u Għawdxi, Laborist jew Nazzjonalist li xi darba ma jaqbilx magħhom!
William Caligari
Jun 20th 2012, 19:42
Nenu dawk il-valuri li qed isemmi, zgur mhux gej int biex niehu l-parir tieghek, illi naqra l-kitba tieghek
tidher li int direzzjoni wahda ghandek,li taqsam il-poplu,u din l-akbar wegggha li tista taghmel lil Alla.
Mill-paroli ghaddi ghall-fatti. Uza l-kitba tieghek ghall-gid tal-poplu t'Alla.
Fejn qrajt fil-kitba tieghek dwar min ghamel il-pensjonijiet, ic-Children Allowance, il-Bonus,beda jibni
l-iskejjel f'Malta u elf haga ohra li saru dawn l-ahhar 40 sena.Il-memorja tieghek tohdok dawn l-ahhar
snin biss.
M'intiex forsi sa' tghidli li dak li ssar f'1961/62 kien skond ir-rieda ta' Alla hux? Jekk trid tkompli taghzaq
bicca xoghol tieghek!!!! Ftit kulur iehor ccar f'ghajnejk ikun ta' gid ghalik
Joe Tabone
Jun 20th 2012, 15:42
Jeffrey Pulicino has voted with the PL on a highly opportunistic motion.
He chose not to contest the next elecion NOT because of the void reasons he mentioned above, but because various polls showed that the electorate had lost faith in him. If he thinks that his costinuents elected him, to try (and sentence) Civil Servants in the most crude manner, he is mistaken. After his actions in Parliament he would do well to cross over to the PL, where these actions are accepted. The PN should not accept MPs on its side, such as JPO who believe that civil servants can tried by a jury of politicians. Another dark page written in our Parliament's history...................old Labour indeed!
Carmel camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 15:18
Unite renegades you have nothing to loose but your honour.
C Muscat
Jun 20th 2012, 14:44
ghax hemm wiehed biss magoranza ssib min jitkessah...jaqblilna noqghodu attenti biex lil min intellghu fil-gvern ikollu maggoranza sew... s issa malta miexja sew anke jekk il-parlament sar qisu l-bitha tal-kazin.
irrid nghid prosit lil dawk l-10 jew izjed kemm minn naha u kemm mnn ohra li ivvutaw mal partit ghax jien cert li personali kull wihed bhal RCC iktar igawdi rispett mill-avversarju milli minn shabu. meta mintoff, li ghamel tant gid, ivvota kontra l-partit jien ghalija spicca.. ahseb u ara dawn li jippretendu li jabbuzaw mill-maggoranza ta wiehed...
A Dimech
Jun 20th 2012, 14:35
To be honest, I don't really care why PN is not united.
I don't care is this is personal or if this is political;
I don't care it this makes sense or if this stupid;
I don't care what the reason is;
The result is the same = PN is fractured, the government is in tatters and the Leader cannot manage a united team. Malta is suffering, (PN is suffering = but I don't care about that), and the PM should do the decent thing.
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 14:49
So for the indecency of others, the PM should go for an election? I believe the PM should do only one thing, call their bluff, and show them (through their own actions) what they really are and why the PM was always right!
Mr ALBERT LEONE GANADO
Jun 20th 2012, 14:22
JPO is a cold calculating dyed in the wool political animal who must have carefully planned his unforeseen bombshell tactic. I had predicted some time ago that he was a greater threat to the PN than the skittish and emotional FD. JPO has the brains and drive to remain a person who will continue to exert considerable political influence even without a parliamentary seat. I expect he will take a time out from direct direct political activity in the coming general election and perhaps focus on promoting issues of public concern within a pressure group. However | forecast that he will be back in the political arena in the following five years probably chased by both parties to join their ranks.
Edward Mallia
Jun 20th 2012, 16:56
Your last sentence suggests you have a very low opinion of the common or garden intelligence of "both political parties". Your first sentence on the other hand is spot on. On his own saying, JPO went out of his way to persuade RCC that he (JPO) would never condition a vote with personal motives. Reminds me of the famous scene in A Man for All Seasons, where Richard Rich assured the judges that he had no personal motives for asserting that Thomas More had indeed revealed to him his opinion of The King's Statute. More asked Rich about the chain of office he was wearing; Rich replied that it denoted his appointment as Attorney General for Wales. More replied that if the whole world was not worth a man's soul, how much less Wales!
Mr ALBERT LEONE GANADO
Jun 20th 2012, 17:52
@edward mallia
Rather than a low opinion of our political parties I have primarily a very low opinion of the typical Maltese electorate given that the parties must reflect the partisan and provincial egoistic aspirations of their supporters. Cynically but necessary our political parties put forward candidates which can best attract popular support rather than those capable of giving an intelligent contribution to the nation. Thank God there is a handful of MPs who are popular and yet still capable and intelligent. Democracy at its very best as one would say as it elects the type of MP the people desire and thus thoroughly deserve. As regards JPO I must admit a perverse admiration for his ability to abuse a rotten political system which cynically defended him and his sins when it suited.
Giov DeMartino
Jun 20th 2012, 14:20
65 jissejhu ONOREVOLI. Bicciet minnhom huma verament onorevoli, imma mbaghad hemm ohrajn li mhumiex hlief.....heq, heq, heq....Kun edukat u pulit Giovann. Ha jifhmu l-qarrejja.
Tonio Farrugia
Jun 20th 2012, 15:17
totally agree!
William Caligari
Jun 20th 2012, 16:51
Giov, 69 ONOREVOLI hemm.U int bhala Malti ghandu jkollok kull rispett lejhom.
Jekk il-memorja tieghek forsi qed tbatti nghidlek li dawn huma mqassma hekk;
PN............35
PL.............34
Giov DeMartino
Jun 20th 2012, 18:39
@MR Caligari. Jiddispjacini imma ma fhimt xejn.
Joseph Attard
Jun 21st 2012, 10:03
Demartino taf li l-parlament fih 69 mhux 65?
A Spiteri
Jun 20th 2012, 14:15
JPO, we believed you in 2008 with the Mistra case but not anymore.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:22
You did not believe JPO - you fell for the GonziPN spin. You are admitting that GonziPN fooled you.
K CASSAR
Jun 20th 2012, 14:08
I hope foreign countries don't judge the integrity of the Maltese people by their government! As a citizen I feel nothing less than embarrassment for this carnival. Dr. Gonzi still has a few good years left, why doesn't he retire and let those more capable do the job he so obviously can't?
Giov DeMartino
Jun 20th 2012, 15:02
Why can't he? Because of the shameful tactics of some of his MP's? When Mintoff did what he did in 1998, did you blame him or his PM?
Giov DeMartino
Jun 20th 2012, 16:09
Waqajt fil-muta?
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:23
DeMartino@ when Mintoff did what he did in 1998, Dr Alfred Sant did the honourable thing and called an election. He did not turn parliament into a tool to keep him in power.
Giov DeMartino
Jun 21st 2012, 08:13
Camilleri I did not ask you, but still since you rushed in like the proverbial fool, will you pl answer my question? When the great saviour did what he did who was to blame for the problem created? Mintoff or Sant? That is the question.
Joseph Borg
Jun 20th 2012, 14:05
I can only begin to imagine what spurred them note to vote in favour of RCC...daqs kemm hu kiesah!!!!
Fran Abela
Jun 20th 2012, 13:41
A word of advice to JPO - please cut the crap and let us hear no more of you. You do not have to justify your dastardly deed because we are not idiots and can understand. To me your action is the same as if you had decided to cross the floor in parliament but you did not have the guts to do this. Please just quite the scene and let us all live in peace. We have no time for hypocrites people like you - now please do not cry.
Steve M. Engerer
Jun 20th 2012, 13:31
Not personal??!!
Pull my other foot please!!
Lawrence Fenech
Jun 20th 2012, 13:31
100 lines kull wiehed "I must not vote or side with the PL".
Victor Vella
Jun 20th 2012, 13:27
JPO told Cachia Caruana last week his vote would not be personal
PN: Rebel MPs will ‘face political consequences’
This is a clear arrogance, insensitivity to the people`s sensitivity, and politics of lying, lying and more lying. Gonzi said that now his house is in order and every query with the party`s members has now been settled. He felt himself shocked when JPO voted with the opposition and Mugliett abstained. These were his first public reactions. Now JPO is saying that last week he equivocally showed the intention to vote against RCC. Even RCC himself in his statement said that he was expecting such an outcome. Where is Gonzi credibility? How can people trust this man? He brags how good we are and how many people are working to his 2,000 people working strategy Why he does not go for elections? Every day that passes this person is loosing trust, credibility and control of his party members.
Michael Seychell
Jun 20th 2012, 16:31
Mr Victor Vella have you already forgotten that your leader was called by Dr. Adrian Vassallo a dictator and a comunist for stating that t LP gave a free vote on Divorce, but laterDr. Vasdsallo was castigated for voting no to divorce.
Are you aware that an ex Labour M.P. - if I am not mistaken he was also a Minister, was fined Lm4000.00 - over 9000.00Euro because he arrived late in Parliament and he missed voting with the Party?
The answer I expect from you is that Dr. Vasslo retracted what he said about Joe Muscat, and the other case happened years ago - my answer to that will be "il-Lupu taqtalu denbu Lupu jibqa".
Michael Seychell Tal-Pieta
Joseph E Briffa
Jun 20th 2012, 13:23
JPO's Mistra issue in 2008 could have cost PN the election. So PN had to do whatever they could in order for the party not to lose the election, even helping JPO himself in the process. Though obviously JPO did not deserve to be thrown a life-line to save him from drowning, the party had perforce to act the way it did. JPO was saved from drowning simply because he would have brought down the boat with him. It's just not fair for a party and its supporters to suffer because of the doings of one man. JPO must have realised that post election, he would have to suffer the consequences for his folly on the eve of the election. If he didn't, he was out of touch with reality; the time of reckoning could only be after the election. JPO's behaviour since 2008 showed him as a disgruntled man, in the House he embarrassed his party on several occasions which demonstrated his feelings towards the way the party treated him after winning the elections. He felt he was 'used' by the party during election time - which undoubtedly he was - and then given the treatment after the party's victory was secured. He felt he was a victim of manipulation and wallowed in self pity. He could not bring himself to admit that the situation he found himself in was of his own making, and that he should blame only himself. It's no wonder that he has been out for blood for the whole four years The siuation reached a climax on Monday. His scathing remarks during his address to the House betrayed his feelings and it's no use trying to deny that he was motivated by personal feelings when he voted in favour of the Labour motion.
Edward Mallia
Jun 20th 2012, 17:09
You put the situation very clearly. However your excusing "the party" for covering up for JPO so as not to lose the election is sheer hypocrisy. "The party" is also bound by rules of common decency. Can I ask what is or was your view of the 1981 gerrymandering clearly designed to enable "the (other) party" to win the election? In this matter "the party" is only reaping the whirlwind it sowed in the the 2008 election. And please remember that after winning the election by helping JPO, people finished up in court over the Mistra affair: two have been acquitted, the third is still there. The real culprits were never indicted.
William Caligari
Jun 20th 2012, 13:20
Nhar it-Tnejn kont qed nisma mill-Parlament fuq il-vot ta'RCC, waqt li kont qed nara l-ahbarijiet fuq ONE TV
f'hin minnhom ONE TV qabad mal-Parlament u inghatat l-ahbar li JPO sa jivvota favur il-mozzjoni ta' PL.
Wara ftit beda jitkellem il-Prim.Ministru u deher mahsud, ghaliex deher bic-car li sa' jitlef dan il-vot, wara li
spiccat il-laqgha tal-Parlament, il-Prim Ministru qal li kien mahsud b'dan il-vot u sorpriz.
Ftit dubju jidhlulli f'mohhi, possibbli l-Whip tal-group tal-PN ma kellu xi hjiel ta'dak li seta' jigri? Jekk iva gie
informat il-Prim.Ministru?
Hawn barra n-nies titkellem, u, taf tghodd mill-1 sa' 10!!!.
George Calleja
Jun 20th 2012, 15:52
Min hu machiavellan ma jurix kif se jahdem. Min hu arroganti ,kif jidhru hafna ucuh fil-ritratti u fuq it-TV jaghmluha tal-'bully'. Ghax jahsbu li huma aqwa minn kulhadd. Imn'alla li JPO hu membru parlamentari -suppost- nazzjonalist...daqshekk nghid. M'nalla ukoll li mhux se johrog ghall-elezzjoni. L-ebda partit ma jrid nies bhalu!!
George Cutajar
Jun 20th 2012, 13:20
Why is JPO trying to justify his vote? Is he trying to minimize the harm he has caused to all involved in this scandalous motion? If his vote was not personal why did he bring into the equation columnists and journalists who had nothing to do with the motion before Parliament?
JPO like Mugliette and Debono had long decided that this was the end of the road for them in politics. Mugliette had the privilege of servicing as a Parliamentary Secretary and also a Minister but was passed over at the last election while the other two were simply passed over and their antics over the past years were simply their way at getting to those whom they perceive as having destroyed their political career. They were all incapable of doing an FZD and taking things in their stride, remaining loyal to the Party and the Leadership but above all remaining loyal to the principles on which they were elected.
Politics should be viewed as a service and not a means to attain one's ends. It is even worse when politics is used to vent one's frustrations and disappointment by betraying your own colleagues and even more so when politics becomes a weapon of personal vendetta.
I believe that a man is one who takes a decision and stands by it without having to explain why he took it. When one tries to justify than there are problems. Trying to convince one and all that his vote was nothing personal means, to my mind, that JPO knows full well that he has not convinced anyone that the way he voted was simply his own way of paying back RCC. The same applies to Debono's vote on the CMB motion and Mugliette's abstention.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:26
Dr Cutajar, just admit that GonziPN is finished. There are too many rebels in that party. And its all the fault of a weak rudderless leader. Admit it.
j brincat
Jun 20th 2012, 13:14
@Joseph Aquilina
"What is good for our country is to have a respectable opposition but unfortunately PL and it's leadership are light years away from understand the word "respectable" ... again, one more time, Joseph Muscat has failed PL and its supporters by having the party BEING USED by a - what you admittedly call them - disgruntled MP for their personal wars!!"
You say that the Opposition is not respectable. But how respectable is the PN government, when after having imposed the highest W & E bills in history, GonziPN gave himself, the ministers and parliamentary secretaries
an impressive €500 a week?
How respectable is a government which is hell bound to remain in power at all costs when a clear message is coming across from all quarters (read TOM's editorial of today) for GonziPN to resign and call an election for the love of the country?
At the end of the day if GonziPN thinks he is the government of the century after having creating 20,000 jobs and we are living in the Garden of Eden under his helm why is he afraid to call an election?
Lastly why are the PN MPs disgruntled? For this answer ask GonziPN who was not able to unit his team. How can a leader dismiss his minsters by means of an SMS?
(jb)
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 13:59
"But how respectable is the PN government, when after having imposed the highest W & E bills in history, GonziPN gave himself, the ministers and parliamentary secretaries
an impressive €500 a week?"
PL knew about the increment and indeed you could see the many sad faces behind JPO when he took the stance he took!! Water and electricity bills have increased because unlike a stanch believe of PL, MALTA IS PART OF THE WORLD!! If oil prices increase it is obvious that electricity bills will go up.
"How respectable is a government which is hell bound to remain in power at all costs when a clear message is coming across from all quarters"
The government has not lost a single vote of confidence. It seems JPO enjoys the support of Joseph Muscat and PL but PL and Joseph Muscat do not enjoy the support of JPO ... says a lot of who used who in the current situation.
"At the end of the day if GonziPN thinks he is the government of the century after having creating 20,000 jobs and we are living in the Garden of Eden under his helm why is he afraid to call an election?"
Again, just see some other news then just ONE NEWS and you will see how Malta is in far better situation then other countries around us! Considering the fact that we are an island with little to no resources this is a BIG show from the current government. All we had from the opposition is JUST WORDS and NO FACTS!!
"Lastly why are the PN MPs disgruntled?"
We all know why, they wanted to become/remain ministers!"
Now answer this little question of mine (if you manage to remain on the subject something always very hard for those who support PL) ... who voted with who? JPO voted with PL or PL voted with JPO?? Who has gained anything?? I do not think Joseph Muscat gained anything consider the fact that the front page of this newspaper failed to remember of his or his party existence today!! JPO managed to turn all attention on him and making everyone forget that in Malta we have an opposition!!!
Alfred Falzon
Jun 20th 2012, 12:50
“Criticising a person politically is one thing but to destroy or discard them simply because they do not bow down to you is unacceptable and anti-democratic.” JPO.
Mr J Xerri
Jun 20th 2012, 12:49
Many are anxious to know what will be the “political consequences”, for the two Nationalist MP's who voted for the Opposition motion. If these are in line with what happened in the case of Dr Debono, they will be just 'appeasement' consequences.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:27
Maybe more jobs at taxpayers expense? That so far has been Lawrence Gonzi's solution.
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 12:41
Eżempji wieħed wara l-ieħor mil-parlament.
Kemm huwa demokratiku li persuna tiġi akkużata u ikkundannata b’ sempliċiment b’vot politiku f’ Parlament?
Huwa sewwa li l-ġustizzja issir billi takkuża persuna b’affarijiet serji, u tkkundannaħ mingħajr ma jinġiebu l-ebda provi, u b’sempliċiment vot politiku f’ Parlament?
Fejnhomm il-provi tal-fatti?
Dan l-uffiċjal pubbliku għoli Malti saret ġustizzja vera u sewwa miegħu?
Dan iċ-ċittadin ħaddiem Malti ingħata smiegħ xieraq?
Il-ġustizzja issir bl-opinjonijiet?
Allura jien għalhekk qed nistaqsi, dak li seħħ fil-parlament Malti, fil-każ ta’ l-Eċċellenza tiegħu Richard Cachia Caruana kemm huwa ta’ eżempju tajjeb lill-ġurati li jservu fil-qrati tagħna, u liċ-ċittadini Maltin u Għawedxin?
Dan kollu li sar kontra dan il-persunaġġ ġentlom Malti, għad irid jingħata kont l-Alla, jekk ma saritx ġustizzja xierqa miegħu!
U hemhekk meta tiġi wiċċimbwiċ ma dak li ħalaqna, mhemx Speaker jew Chairman, mhemx kap ta’ l-oppożizzjoni, Prim Ministru, Ononorevoli, Ministri, u leader of The House, jew il-Whip!
Għax hemm ma jeżistix l-apsus, ma hemmx Standing Orders, jew Point of Order!
Hemm meta tiffaċja wiċimbwiċ il-Kobor ta’ Alla, tiġġamja, tiċkin, tirtod, tghottor, titbikkem, tiċċassa, xhin quddimek jitfaċċaw dawn l-egħmejjel mhux xierqa tiegħek li wettaqt ma’ għajrek tull ħajtek kollha, u jitolbok spjegazzjoni!
Hemmhek ma tinqediex iżjed bil-kuxjenza u bil-Free Vote, jew nirrispondi f’ xi seduta oħra!
Hawn xi ħadd kapaċi jgħidli x’jista wieħed jirrispondi?
Fejna l-irġulija?
Ħsiebek hemm poplu Malti u Għawdxi għax dak li dawn in-nies għamlu lill-Ambaxxatur wisq rispettat Richard Cachia Caruana għad jagħmluħ lillek ukoll!
William Caligari
Jun 20th 2012, 13:35
Nenu, fejn kont fl-1962?
La semmejt lill Alla, taf li 51000 (51 elf ) persuna gew ikkundannati ghall-infern ghall-xejn,semplicetament
ghaliex ivvotaw lil Mintoff.!!!
Mhux ahjar inhallu l'Alla il-boghod, u specjalment int Nenu inhallu lil Hallieq jiggudika lil kulhadd kif
jaf HU. fejn anki JARA l-futur HU.
M Grima
Jun 20th 2012, 13:48
Dawn id-domandi u ohrajn bhalhom saqsiehom lill JPO, Mugliett u Franco Debono Nenu!! Hekk jew hekk dawn mill l-istess merhal tieghek gejjin Nenu!!!
Sewwa qed tghid lill poplu Malti u Ghawdxi biex joqghod attent mill qerq politiku ta Gonzi u shabu. Bil haqq dan Richard lahaq xi kardinal biex tighidlu Eccelenza. Hawwadni ha nifmek!!
Michael Seychell
Jun 20th 2012, 17:05
Sur M. Grima - Hija l-uzanza normali ghalmenu fil-pajjizi Ewropej, li Ambaxxatur jigi indirizzzat 'Eccellenza', bhall ma Membru Parlamentari jissejah 'Onorevoli'.
Habib tieghi li konna kollegi fuq ix-xoghol u li kien serva ta' Ambaxxatur taht il-Gvern tal-Labour, kont iltqajt mieghu snin twal minn meta ma kienx ghadu Ambaxxatur, u ghax sejjahtlu b'ismhu kien kisirni wahda nobis - u ghalkemm ma inhix cert jekk ex-Ambaxxatur jibqax igorr id-dritt li jissejjah 'Eccelenza' anke meta jkun spicca mill-kariga, qbadt u skuzajt ruhi.
La semmejt it-titolu tal-Membri Parlamentari jkolli nammetti li filwaqt li hafna minn dawn jisthoqqilhom it-titolu ta Onorevoli, hemm uhud minnhom li la huma Onorevloi u wisq inqas Onorabbli - u minn jigih il-Kappell jew iz-Zarbun ha jilbsu!
Michael Seychell Tal-Pieta
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 17:49
@Sur William Caligari,
Minn ħalla lill Alla il-bogħod minnu saħta ġabb fuqu, Sur Caligari!
Minn għajr Alla il-kollu magħna ma nagħmlu xejn, lanqas nifs ma nieħdu, Sur Caligari!
Jekk mu tkunx qrib Alla f’kull mument u f’kull okkażżjoni, qrib minn tried tkun, Sur Caligari?
Istħi Sur Caligari titkellem hekk fuq il-preżenza ta’ Alla fill ħajja ta’ kuljum tagħna ċ-ċittadini Maltin u Għawdxin!
Sur Caligari jien inteliġenti biżżejjed biex ma nieħux il-parir tieghek u inħalli lill-Alla bogħod minni, anzi jien inħeġġeġ l-ewwel wieħed lilhek biex ma Alla ma tiċċajtax, u biex tkun verament inteliġenti, u ma dan Alla trid iżżom l-akbar ħbiberija u kuntatt il-ħin kollu!
Lill Alla irringrazjaħ f’kull Ħin u f’ kull mument, Sur Caligari, u mhux iżżom il-bogħod minnu!
@Sur M. Grima,
Dawk il-mistoqsijiet jien għamiltom lill-poplu Malti u Għawdxi kollu, inklużi l-membri kollha tal-parlament , għax il-poplu Malti u Għawdxi, bil-vot tiegħu jtella lill-parlamentari tagħna fil-parlament!
U allura il-poplu Malti u Għawdxi kollu jinħtieġ li jagħmel dawn il-mistoqsijiet lilu innifsu, u jara lill minn verament jixraqlu li jiġi f’dat li jirrappreżentaħ fil-parlament, Sur Grima!
Jien anzi nkompli nistaqsi ukoll lill Unions Maltin, għax bħall ma’ sar dan kollu ma’ l-Ambaxxatur Richard Cachia Caruana jista jiġri ma’ kull-ħaddiem u ċittadin Malti!
Il-Unions ser jagħmlu fuq dan kolu li ġara lill dan il-ħaddiem proffessjonali?
Iva Poplu Malti u Għawdxi għandek kull dritt li tkun taf lill minn ser tivvota biex jirrappreżentak fil-parlament, u dak li ma hux ġentlom m’għandekx tavdaħ bit-tmexxija ta’ pajjiżek u tal-valuri li tħaddan!
Iva poplu Malti u Għawdxi għandek raġun tinkwieta, għax mhux affarijiet li jiġru f’demokrazija!
Mela allura ħsiebek hemm poplu Malti u Għawdxi, għax dak li dawn in-nies għamlu lill-Ambaxxatur Richard Cachia Caruana, jidher li ma jiddejqu xejn li jagħmlu l-istess ma kull ċittadin Malti u Għawdxi, Laborist jew Nazzjonalist li xi darba ma jaqbilx magħhom!
John Zammit
Jun 20th 2012, 21:43
Mr Seychell Can you please Name this Person if he was a partner when you worked a the Dry Docks ??
jimi Xerri
Jun 20th 2012, 12:38
He, (Mugliett) abstained to “underline” that even if there was no legal obligation to discuss Malta’s Partnership for Peace membership in Parliament, this should have been done anyway because there was no electoral mandate.
WAS DIVORCE PART OF THE ELECTORAL MANDATE!!!!!!!!
What happened to RCC was a personal issue Mr Mugliett, and it's called grudge.
K. Vella
Jun 20th 2012, 12:35
Joke of the day... Nothing Personal.....
Nothing Personal, but it is payback time.....for other personal assumptions and reasons....
Now we will have again the pleasure to see him invited on ONE TV......accompanied by Jesmond Mugliette....
M Grima
Jun 20th 2012, 13:50
The only joke is your beloved PN.
jimi Xerri
Jun 20th 2012, 12:32
JPO, qieghed tiprova tinheba wara subghajk issa!!!
You don't care about anybody as long as you acquire what you want!
This happened in the divorce issue and repeated now as regards RCC.
With hand on heart, do you really believe yourself, when saying that this was nothing personal!
Do you still remember that RCC had to go through an attempt murder on his life?
I think it's a matter of being to much of friends with the PL acquaintances rather than the PN.
J.C. Borg
Jun 20th 2012, 12:32
Mela, jekk ghada, niltaqa' ma' JPO u ntih daqqa ta' sieq, nista nghidlu li mhux lilu tajtha imma lil-partit tieghu.
Qed nirraguna bhalu.
John Zammit
Jun 20th 2012, 12:30
From what the prime Minister and the PN said it seems that there are going to be "political consequences". What in My opinion means is that they will be not allowed to contest the next election. What difference is this going to do to the Party and themselves Are these 3 the only once that are disgruntled. I can name up to at least 7 nationalist MP that are going to loose their seat in parliament. Should not the Prime Minister saw the Writing on the wall. and who is really The Prime Minister Of the day Where is the deputy Ambassador or no one was good enough. or rather say not capable to work under RCC
j brincat
Jun 20th 2012, 12:22
One cannot but be amazed as to what length some go to remain at the centre of power!
RCC's 'courtesy' visit to JPO's house is a case in point.
If JPO was indeed treated by RCC as stated by JPO himself then RCC was paid on his own coin!
(jb)
Michael Seychell
Jun 20th 2012, 17:57
Mr. J. Brincat
Do you think that RCC just went and knocked at Jeffrey's Villa to beg him to vote against the MLP motion - which according to Dr. G. Vella was presented to Parliament at the appropriate time for the Party, whilst ignoring Malta's real interest - or was it the other way round and it was Jeffry who invited RCC at his Villa?
Michael Seychell Tal-Pieta
j brincat
Jun 20th 2012, 12:19
@Edward Curmi
"True gentleman when he knew that Alfred sant was right and he played the farce all the way..he is a true hypocrate!!
Can you explain yourself better!
(jb)
j brincat
Jun 20th 2012, 12:17
All PN apologists blogging here would do well to read and heed today's TOM's editorial appropriately entitled "Cat and mouse game cannot continue"
And all this for the love of the country!
(jb)
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 12:51
What is good for our country is to have a respectable opposition but unfortunately PL and it's leadership are light years away from understand the word "respectable" ... again, one more time, Joseph Muscat has failed PL and its supporters by having the party BEING USED by a - what you admittedly call them - disgruntled MP for their personal wars!!
JPO is in the news not PL ... For the MEDIA (apart for PL's one which lives in a fantasy world of its own) this is a win for JPO not PL or Joseph Muscat ... how do you feel about that achievement j brincat!!?
P. Zammit
Jun 20th 2012, 13:02
@J.Brincat .... your party played the cat and mouse game for two years in 1996... so please be patient in opposition for a few more months.
A Spiteri
Jun 20th 2012, 14:25
I have read this morning the cat & mouse thing, I guess you and the editor weren't even born or you don't like to let the people remember how we were under the PL administrion. Here is the link FYI
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120205/letters/The-day-the-Times-building-was-burnt-down.405367
Noel Damato
Jun 20th 2012, 12:06
GonziPN irid jiftakar li-Malta hija demokratika . Iridna nemnu li dak li jaghid hu biss hu vangelu. Dan huwa frott ta l-oligarkija u l-evil. Biex wiehed jara l-arroganza jisma lil GonziPN isemmi il" political consequences" li ser ibghatu. JPO, Mugliette mhux ser jikontestaw. Mela mhux xi vendetta personali. dan pajjiz demokratiku jew dittatorjat immexi min l-oligarkija ta GonziPN. Id-Dittaturi kien jiehdu il-flua ghalijhom bhal ma ghmlu hawn Malta 500 euro fil gimgha, allowances u vantaggi ohra,meta il-haddiem jigi misruq bit taxxi. Min hu mejjet ghal Qatra u minn Hu mejjet fis Sakra sur Gonzi.
M Borg
Jun 20th 2012, 11:59
Funny it sounded very much like this to me.
but then maybe we are talking of another language here.
Edward Curmi
Jun 20th 2012, 11:52
True gentleman when he knew that Alfred sant was right and he played the farce all the way..he is a true hypocrate!!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:30
You seem to forget that "he played the farce all the way" on instructions by Lawrence Gonzi to follow closely what he was told to do by RCC!!
John Zarb
Jun 20th 2012, 11:38
For me JPO is a true gentleman. Unlike Franco Debono, without playing the fanfare and without shouting and bullying, he made his points clear and voted according to his conscience. After all, like what Gonzi did in the divorce debate.
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 12:55
"he made his points clear and voted according to his conscience"
... did you listen to his speech in parliament?
Carmel Muscat
Jun 20th 2012, 10:53
Il gvern qatt ma messu halla lil JPO iressaq il mozzjoni fuq id divorzju f'din il legislatura,anke jekk iwaqqa il gvern. Ma nistax nifhem kif il ligi tad divorzju ghadid tah Gvern Nazzjonalista.( TEBGHA LI MA TITHASSAR QATT ) Forsi illum qieghid f'opposizjoni u zgur li l partit hu hafna u hafna ahjar milli qieghed illum. Jibqa il fatt li l PN ghamel hafna gid u ta dan ghandu biex jiftahar.
Personalment nghid min ivvota favur il mozzonijiet ta CARM MIFSUD BONNICI U RICHARD CACHIA CARUANA huma bla kuxjenza.
Mario Scicluna
Jun 20th 2012, 11:19
Mela l-kuxjenza tal PN biss ghandhom?? Jew dan xi dritt divin iehor taghkhom ukoll? Bhallikieku qisna ser imorru lura fis-snin 60 li tal-PN u l-Knisja kellhom ruh u min jivvota kontra kien jinghata dnub mejjet u imsejjah xitan u dritt l-infern! Ipokresija grassa! Possibli ghadkhom ma tghallimtux u hadtu lezzjoni wara li kien il poplu li ried id-dhiul tad-Divorzju bhala dritt civili f'Malta? Possibli ghadkhom ma tistghux tnizzluwha fi grizmejkhom, anke wara li ghadda Referendum u Gonzi ivvota kontra!!!!?
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 11:44
@Mario Scicluna
Carmel Muscat is just showing another self serving action done by JPO where it was not JPO aiding PL but rather having PL and Joseph Muscat work for JPO!!
Oliver Grech
Jun 20th 2012, 10:48
Your speach in parliament sounded ALOT personal to me...and it seems I am not the only one.
Anthony A. Mifsud
Jun 20th 2012, 10:48
I feel that is nothing wrong to express your self, and JPO had the guts to vote the way he did.
This is a democratic country and what's wrong? why did the PN win so much elections? people have the right to chose. Jeff you did well.
Ninu
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 11:42
In parliament one expects MP to represent the people not their personal agenda. This is another failure for Joseph Muscat and PL who have been used by some MPs to turn parliament into a tool of revenge!! I wonder if Joseph Muscat will ever tell us how it feels to be used and thrown away!! I wonder if Joseph Muscat has the courage to face reality and realize that his party and himself have been used and the only honorable thing left to do is to really rid parliament from self serving elements like the ones we currently have!!
R. Cilia
Jun 20th 2012, 15:10
In parliament one expects MP to represent the people not their personal agenda
Joseph Aquilina, that's exactly what Gonzi did not do when he voted against divorce.
A. Mifsud
Jun 20th 2012, 10:47
Backstabbers Party...The PN has to renew itself and start afresh. Maneuvers are not politically motivated but simply out of revenge. Everything is crystal clear and the PL is simply jumping onto the bandwagon and exploiting opportunities. The Gonzi vs Dalli factions remain and how, and all this is proof of it.
Anthony Portelli
Jun 20th 2012, 10:45
Red in the face you mean, any colour but BLUE!
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 10:43
PL SUPPORTERS, just see the news here and other places ... PL IS NOT THE NEWS ... JPO IS THE NEWS ... PL, JOSEPH MUSCAT and PARLIAMENT have been USED as a self serving tool of vengeance!!
Will PL now bring a motion to kick JPO out of parliament to give a clear message to all MPs that parliament is not a self serving tool? It would show a level of intelligence from PL (even for the future)!! Only that could give PL some credibility ... but I wonder if PL even knows the meaning of that word!!
Eddy Privitera
Jun 20th 2012, 10:40
X'SE TGHIDULNA DWAR DAWK L- 10 DEPUTATI TA' GONZIPN OHRA LI XTAQU KIEKU SETGHU, JIVVUTAW FAVOR IL-MOZZJONI TA SFIDUCJA F' RCC ??????????
FORSI ANGELO VASSALLO U GIOVANN DEMARTINO JILLUMINAWNA !!!!!!!!!!
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 10:54
name them ...
Mr Joseph Apap
Jun 20th 2012, 11:06
Kieku veru riedu setghu ghamlu bhal ma ghamel JPO u Mugliett
Nemmen biss dak li nara
Il Partit Nazzjonalista ma jaghmilx sarima ma halq hadd
u b'hekk kulhadd seghta jivvota kif ried hu
Kevin Wain
Jun 20th 2012, 11:43
Mr. Privitera. The fact that JPO refuses to mention or clarifying his point on who these parliamentarians are is a case in point that he could be failing to say the truth or he might be, on this I don't know. I will not declare my opinion on this. Let me make myself clear: by my very nature I am liberal, I have supported the introduction of divorce in Malta (as JPO did) and, rallied for joining the EU (I recall that you were against this as was your leader back then - I was at Xarabank when JM said that he is proud to be a social democrat and against EU membership). I have supported what JPO said albeit I had and still have my reservations on his sincerity (judging from what happend in the last election). The funny thing is that your party makes heroes out of previous villans, that is somewhat amusing. I remember the unequivocal attacks by MLP now PL i.e. Dr. Sant on John Dalli. He is now treated as a hero by the party that initially made the accusations i.e. because he has fallen foul of the PN (I remember an interview of Mr. Dalli on Inkontri in which he was treat as a victim of PN). Now is JPO your hero, Mr. Privitera. Do you not remember the attacks in the 2008 elections on the Mistra issue? He was not honest back then, is he honest now on the 10 parliamentarian, because it favours your party? Mr. Privitera, how can I take your party serious when their moral ground is so low?
rita Farrugia
Jun 20th 2012, 12:10
Kemm temmnu fejn trid lil JPO. Meta beda jinsulta lill - leader Alfred Sant fuq il-kaz tal-Mistra qabel l-ahhar elezzjoni hekk kont tirraguna sur Eddy ?
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 12:45
Eddy ... don't have the name ... just repeated one more time what was said on PL propaganda media!!
P. Zammit
Jun 20th 2012, 13:05
@E.Privitera ... u bl-istess ragunar xi tghid fuq id-deputati tal PL li xtaqu jivvutaw kontra l-mozzjoni ?
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 10:34
I wonder if PL will raise a motion to kick JPO out of parliament after the latter has clearly turned parliament and PL in to a self serving institution to push his own agenda!! Just re-listening JPO speach should be enough for Joseph Muscat to see the damage JPO has done to the image of parliament - where revenge has become more important then justice!!
Bertrand Gove
Jun 20th 2012, 10:30
It's definately not JPO's fault for voting the way he did. It's also not personal. Trust him.
Following the Mistra debacle, you're not trustworthy Jeffrey. Get it? You are an embarassment to the PN and the country. You are not contesting the next general election - you stand no chance of getting enough votes from PN supporters anyway, so you may want to try your luck with PL. Go ahead - we'd love to see the tables turning.
Daniel Vella
Jun 20th 2012, 10:18
Malta already feels a cleaner place thanks to JPO.
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 10:30
Don't make me laugh! Did you even hear JPO speech in parliament? Isn't it obvious that JPO has changed sides and his actions are only self serving and nothing else!! You think he cares about you or anyone else. All he cares about is that he has a position after the next election. Hope PL (if ever in government) will not play his game directly or indirectly!!!
Joe B Edwards
Jun 20th 2012, 10:14
Enough is enough. PN has got to gain back control of its party, 'costa quel che costa'.
Joseph Aquilina
Jun 20th 2012, 10:32
I think an election is more beneficial to PN then to PL at this moment! It is time to clean the party from elements like JPO who have turned parliament into a self serving institution from where they can throw insults and push their own agenda!!
john gauci
Jun 20th 2012, 10:11
PBO take note yet again. In the days of Austin Gatt and Joe Saliba. these so called PN members were kept in line. Now it has all become personal and mockery of the parliament institution is becoming the norm. If you cannot keep the situation under control your should at least resign your post and allow someone more competent to the job.
To FD, JPO, JM and a few others, including past disgruntled PN ministers. It appears that you have been in it for yourselves and not for the country. No wonder less and less persons of stature and integrity who could contribute professional and genuinely are forthcoming.
But then why bother when nobody seems to be accountable unless for personal or pay-back reasons.
I pity any future PL or PN government.
The political game is degenerating by the second.
Joseph N. Attard
Jun 20th 2012, 10:08
In my book, three nationalist MP's have lost all pretence of representing true nationalist voters. Franco debono has many good proposals, but boy, did he go about them the wrong way. Mugliett is obviously angry at not having been made a minister after his failure at his first try, and his simmering got the better of him in the last vote. But JPO takes the cake. I will not dwell too long on his actions. Suffice it to say that he would make an excellent Prima Donna. But prima donnas belong to the theatre, not in parliament. That is why I hold that parties should screen prospective candidates well before accepting them to represent them.
joe vella
Jun 20th 2012, 10:47
you may be right, but NOBODY in the PN called him PRIMA DONNA during the mistra saga
I am the first to believe that jpo was not being truthful in what he said and his motives were far different from what he stated, that is why GonziPN never made him a minister- however RCC, Gonzi and joe saliba made a meal out of the situation that presented itself, JPO was made into a PRIMA DONNA, got a thick serving of votes that got him elected from 2 districts, but was then discarded like the proverbial squeezed lemon!
Now he is getting his payback, and nobody can convince me it is not personal, whether parliament should be used in this way or not is now up to the electorate, - what happened during the last election and the consequences over the past 4 years should serve as an eyeopener for the new electorate
Angelo Vassallo
Jun 20th 2012, 10:07
@ Alfred Vassallo
"kulltant ma tkunx tista tipprova dak kollu li trid ghal diversi ragunijiet IMMA ma jfissirx li certu affarijiet ma jkunux vera, imma sempliciment ma tkunx tista tippruvhom, ghallura......" Dan xi ktibt inti.
Mur il-qorti b'dak l-argument halli tohrog ta' ragel fuq l-irgiel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hallina Sur Alfred. Taqghux izjed fil-fond minn dak qeghdin fih ghax ma tingabrux jahasra
Alfred Vassallo
Jun 20th 2012, 11:23
Angelo propju ghalhekk ma tmurx il qorti (as much as one wishes to) ghax ma tkunx tista (issa il ragunijiet jistu ikunu diversi ez. nies ma jkunux irridu jidru, jew jibzu jixdu ghax jigu vittimizatti, u propju ghawn ghanda tithol il ''whistle blower act) tipruvom libbirament.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jun 20th 2012, 10:03
JPO has the brazen cheek to insult the intelligence of readers after inflicting vengeful injury on Richard Cachia Caruana.
What JPO said is on clear record and does not allow for later (mis)interpretation by him to camouflage his "ripentimento".
George Azzopardi
Jun 20th 2012, 11:08
yes most of us are intelligent enough to hear from the many PN supporters who are repeating what JPO has said. RCC was too big for his boots!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:34
Dr Saliba, how would you know whar RCC does in the backround, in the back room where only MPs are allowed? You are just repeating a blogger's idea - show us where JPO insulted our intelligence by disproving any of his allegations.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jun 20th 2012, 19:22
@ Andrew Camilleri, today at 17:34.
I reach conclusions based on facts not on your speculation on what may have occurred in the "background" and in "back rooms". In this case I base myself on the recorded speech of JPO in parliament and his crude attempt later to camouflage it. That is were my intelligence comes in and where I protest that JPO is insulting it. It does not follow that the he is also insulting your intelligence.
do not need to imagine and create a background for RCC's activities. I need only read JPO's statement in parliament which is full of personal animosity and allegations against DCG which she denies and for which she is taking him to court.
James Borg
Jun 20th 2012, 10:02
Parliamentarians like you JPO have used the house to ridicule this young nation that has worked for the last hundred years to show the world it can be self standing.
It is one thing to argue about a blessed disco in Mistra and have nobody in Brussels or London or NYC care about what's happening, and another thing bringing down a senior operative of this democracy simply because you say you felt "manipulated".
The truth is that the party organ may have decided to save both its face and yours when the irresponsible act of Mistra came out in the public! But you were not manipulated - you were in fact lucky that in 2008, it was so close to an election that the party decided not to ditch you but help you save yourself by giving you a journalist ticket. Then you thought that you could ride this wave forever and become a Minister (let's throw a wild guess... for the Environment??). How ungrateful can you get?! If it was RCC who advised that you should not be given such a senior post, I am sure he was carrying the opinion of the majority!
And then you got all sour. Went for a divorce campaign with PL! Not even that was personal was it? Who do you want to fool?! You are not contesting because you would not be elected by either PN hardliners who supported you during the 2008 charade, or by anybody!
Get a life... and let others live doing what they have shown to be able to do extremely well for long before you were even known to anybody!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:37
Of course JPO as manipulated. He was used by GonziPn not only not to lose votes but to increase its votes by obtaining sympathy for someone who did not deserve it. Now its payback time for GonziPN. Maybe they will learn the lesson not insult our intelligence. I was so furious at the obvious manipulation - and at the expense of our natural environment - that for the first time in my 40 years of voting, I did not vote for anyone.
Joseph Cini
Jun 20th 2012, 10:01
WHETHER THIS IS PERSONAL OR NOT I DON'T THINK THAT NEITHER DR.GONZI NOR THE PARTY AND FINALLY THE MALTESE ELECTORATE WHO VOTED PN DESREVES THIS. ALL THREE MP'S COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT EXCUSE. NO ONE IS DOING ANY GOOD TO THE COUNTRY BY BEHAVING LIKE THIS.
L. Chircop
Jun 20th 2012, 13:15
Mr Cini. First of All we the people do not care about your beloved party !!! All we care about is that the Country goes into a better situation. And Secondly the one who is not doing any good to the country is your Beloved GonziPN by clinging by all possible means to power.
Angelo Vassallo
Jun 20th 2012, 09:59
@ j brincat
JPO has already stated in clear terms that he will not be contesting the next election simply because he knows very well that his political career is over and done with at least with the PN, unless "jigbru" il-pl just like it did with those who were chucked out from the Partit Nazzjonalista. As for franco and jesmond, I hope that they will not be allowed to contest the next election with the PN.
Eddy Privitera
Jun 20th 2012, 10:38
Angelo Vassallo: min huma dawk " chucked out from the PN??? Mela ithom tistghi titfghu il-barra lil xi hadd fis-sitwazzjoni imweghra li qeghdin ?? DAQS KEMM TISTGHU TIEHDU XI PASSI KONTRA JPO ; MUGLIETT U FRANCO DEBONO.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John Caligari
Jun 20th 2012, 09:58
Will face political consequences. Please tell us what these are.
Alan Deidun
Jun 20th 2012, 09:56
During World War II, the word 'quisling' became synonymous with traitor.[148] The term was coined by the British newspaper The Times in its leader of 15 April 1940, entitled "Quislings everywhere."
Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (Norwegian: [ˈʋɪdkʉn ˈkʋɪʃlɪŋ] ( listen); 18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945) was a Norwegian politician. On 9 April 1940, with the German invasion of Norway in progress, he seized power in a Nazi-backed coup d'état.
Any analogies here??????
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Jun 20th 2012, 17:40
None at all. No one betrayed anyone. if anything, GonziPN - of which you so happily form a part - betrayed our environment in order to win an election. You, sir, are the last person I thought would enter this fray when it was so obvious that GonziPN was defending JPO's Mistra plans.
Evarist Saliba
Jun 20th 2012, 09:48
The motion before parliament had absolutely nothing to do with Richard Cachia Caruana's relationship with other members of his own party. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Yet, JPO went on and on in parliament, and now he is doing the same in the press, stressing that he voted the way he did because he objected the RCC's alleged behavious in this respect.
JPO, your actions betray the real motive behind them.
C Muscat
Jun 20th 2012, 09:46
JPO jahseb li jista joqghod idawwar il-kliem u jghaddi z-zmien b kulhadd....amen
Tonio Farrugia
Jun 20th 2012, 09:44
what's this a circus Dr. JPO!!!!
you voted against, cause you must have believed that it was the right thing to do.... granted.
now pls do not give us this crap of personal and not personal..... for sure its personal!... this is not a monopoly game...this is real life!
Marco Spiteri
Jun 20th 2012, 09:40
No Jeffrey, you always get the wrong end of the stick. You are not contesting the next election (on the PN ticket at least - 'cos we never know!) because the electorate (albeit the blue end of the stick) has given up on YOU. I do not judge you for your opinions, I judge you by YOUR actions to pursue YOUR goals - not the party's, not the country's. Parliament has become a Comedy of Errors, because Parliament is there to push ahead the country's agenda and it is not an Amphitheatre for squabbling 'gladiators'. Parliament is for US (the people) not for YOU (the politicians). It is a means to convey - through YOU - OUR VOICE not for YOU to convey what suits YOU and ONLY YOU. I'm disappointed that's all - the country whether Blue, Red, Green or any other shade, expects better.
Angelo Vassallo
Jun 20th 2012, 09:39
"Had Pullicino Orlando not protected himself by means of parliamentary privilege when saying this, I would have been able to open civil and criminal suits against him for slander," Mrs Caruana Galizia said the other day.
"Dr Pullicino Orlando continued to criticise Mr Cachia Caruana’s “closeness” to columnist Daphne Caruana Galizia". This was yesterday.
Now today. Come on Dr. Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando, I appeal to you once again, if you are a real gentleman, call Daphne Caruana Galizia's bluff by repeating all that you have said in parliament with regards to Daphne outside Parliament.
NO CRYING PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alfred Vassallo
Jun 20th 2012, 09:48
Angelo kultant ma tkunx tista tiprova dak kollu li trid ghal diversi ragunijiet IMMA ma fisirx li certu affarijiet ma kunhux vera, imma sempliciment ma tkunx tista tipruvom, ghalura.......
A Cuschieri
Jun 20th 2012, 10:32
Alfred, jekk ma tistax tipprova dak li qed tghid, min qed jisimghek ma jista qatt ikun cert li qed tghid il-verita.
Issa jekk ha noqghodu ninhbew wara subghajna mod iehor. Pero, l-istatement tieghek ifakkarni fi kliem Alfred Sant meta qal "jekk titfa t-tajn, xi ftit minnhu jehel" ...
j brincat
Jun 20th 2012, 09:34
"A spokesman said MPs who vote against party lines would face “political consequences”, which would be discussed internally"
And what can the PN do now when its back is against the wall.
JPO has already stated in clear terms that he will not be contesting the next election, so what 'political consequences' would he possibly face?
Moreover, what can the PN do when it only has a one seat majority in the house?
By the way what were the political consequences for Franco? Interesting to know!
(jb)
j brincat
Jun 20th 2012, 09:31
"Criticising a person politically is one thing but to destroy or discard them simply because they do not bow down to you is unacceptable and anti-democratic.”
JPO sums it all!
(jb)
Paul Abela
Jun 20th 2012, 09:27
Kemm hu helu JPO....Jghamillek il kanna ma mohhok, jghafas il-grillu, jonxrok fl-art...u jghidlek "nothing personal". Ridt nipprova s-senter!
Paul Borg
Jun 20th 2012, 09:21
JPO, who cares?
Ray Buhagiar
Jun 20th 2012, 09:20
“It is precisely because of this situation that I voted like I did yesterday. Otherwise I would have been giving him a stamp of validity to this type of behaviour.”
Nothing personal..none at all...tridx tmur!
Alfred Vassallo
Jun 20th 2012, 09:44
well you see what RCC does is nothing personal to anyone, none at all, except you just happen to be a liability to him. That's all. Nothing personal at all old boy.
Fran Abela
Jun 20th 2012, 13:58
Alfred Vassallo - so now we are judging people by what they might or might not have done to us ? Well, well, well if I did that personally I would have a long long list, but I am not one to remember past hurts and have since grown up to deal with these type of problems myself. If I do not agree with my employer, or colleagues I do not just sit back and complain but go out and find another job. My friend, in life you are alone, and if you want to get ahead and move on, you must have the necessary stamina and confidence in yourself to move ahead to brighter pastures.
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