Second group of migrants arrives

Charles Grixti

May 30th 2012, 14:20

@Joe Xuereb

Here are some points that might make you get your head around it sort to speak:

The Elite are a group apart and not part of a country’s institution. They are wealthy beyond belief and many have been amassing their wealth over centuries. But what they crave more than anything else is power -the total power and control over every resource and living person in the world.

They would not be signing their own death warrant for the simple reason that the forces that have been unleashed are under their control.

They do not live down the street but in secretive and secluded estates guarded by the latest state-of the-art technologies and private security firms (although they also control the Police and army through their organ, the State). In fact, no matter what the perceived economic situation is, these holy anointed are paid hefty wages and supplied with the latest weapons and surveillance technologies and torture techniques.

Globally they are a few hundred families that control 99% of the world’s wealth. They know each other and intermarry with each other, thus consolidate their wealth. They shun publicity preferring to use cover organizations such as CFR, EU, and hundreds of Right-wing Institutes and Think Tanks and work through their elected pawns in each country.

They hire the best brains for high wages who formulate policy and strategies. They control world media, making sure that only their point of view is promulgated and given the strength of dogma, e.g. Supply-Side Economics, Multiculturalism, etc. Dissenting views are not tolerated and are not given any Press coverage. University professors that do not tow the official line are fired or made to resign, usually because of some concocted ‘scandal’, thus ensuring that they are discredited.

They have nothing but contempt for the working classes and view them as necessary evils that can and should be disposed of at will. In recent years we have seen de-regulation of business and banking, the watering down of consumer protection and social spending cuts, austerity measures aimed at the most vulnerable in society, and the wholesale attack on Unions and organized labour, to name just a few.

The true rulers of this world work secretly and slowly but steadily (usually terms of decades or more so as not to alarm the population – called the ‘boiling frog’ system. The current economic situation saw the light of day in the 1970 when these elites decided that the working man has had it too good and planned to claw-back hard-won and fought for rights that saw wages and working conditions improve for the average worker after the second World War – Thatcher in the UK,. Reagan in the US

Which brings me to the next point, why introduce incongruent and even hostile populations with a supremacist culture in the heart of Europe and the West? To divide and conquer, to dissolve national identities and to create unrest and chaos and also so that the people will be kept to busy watch over each other’s shoulders to notice the higher ups controlling the strings.

And why did they choose Islam as the favoured religion? Simple; of all the world’s faiths, this one is the closest that approximates their ideal state for the plebeians, that is total control of individuals from cradle to the grave and demands total submission to the will of the God/Leaders under the constant threat of death and violence. They favour a totalitarian State with the working poor in eternal servitude. For this, Democracy or the notion of democratic rights has to go. Islam is the greatest engine of Conservatism on the planet. With Islam in control, the liberal movement will be dashed on the rocks of history.

angelo cilia

May 28th 2012, 16:35

That will never happen.
I guess you are under some illusion that we live in a democracy.

Joseph Sammut

May 28th 2012, 10:32

How about Sweden, Norway or Finland or wherever you are from? There is alot of land there where you can accomodate these people. An african crafts village will blend well in your cities or with your wilderness. They can also give a helping hand to clear road of snow and ice.

stephen koludrovic

May 28th 2012, 11:27

@ Gustav,
You might have forgotten,but I still remember that a few years back, the Swedish government had built 1 million new apartments, especially for low paid immigrant arrivals.

I know that the project is ready, and I'm sure that not all have been taken up yet.

As for the craft villages question,? Hope you are not suggesting that they should do like what quite few in Malmo, Stockholm or Gothenburg do, that is selling genuine recreational drugs.

John Azzopoardi

May 28th 2012, 14:46

Gustav, the empty appartments are not to house illegal migrants. They were built by private monies. Anyone who even attempts to touch those empty apartments will do so much damage to democratic malta taht no one will ever want to invest in Malta again. I suggest that the illegal migrants be sent to northern europe where these people really want to go. Malta is too small even for someone like you.

Chris Mifsud

May 28th 2012, 15:09

The 70,000 new unsold apartments are not the property of the government nor the NGO's so NO they are not available to the ILLEGAL immigrants.

Forget integration. The majority of the Maltese population does not want these or any other future illegal immigrants here.

Jessica Smith

May 28th 2012, 22:54

Gustav Svensson NO integration and no African village. They must and shall go one way or the other. You can take them to your own country if you feel any pity for them because we don't.

A. MICALLEF

May 28th 2012, 11:43

Stephen Koludrovic - Like we helped the Koludrovic family years ago after escaping the
genocide in ex. Jugoslavia. What we offered and provided to the Koludrovic family, we
shall now provide to these poor people, and it is a shame that you are trying to convince
us Maltese not to do so.

B. Cachia

May 28th 2012, 16:47

@ A. Micallef: These 'poor people' and their descendants will be here forever, and they are likely to prove very difficult to coexist with, judging by what has happened in other host societies. And there are a few hundred million more 'poor people' where they came from, so this will hardly be the last boatload.

Charles Grixti

May 28th 2012, 12:53

While it is true that in the current situation (and even before) the coming of these economic migrants is such a non-starter, this still does not preclude the possibility that this is a welcome and encouraged situation that is either planned or backed by European elites. Why? Social unrest, increased crime, lowering of wages and divisiveness and breakup of national identity to name just a few. In other words, to create chaos. And then of course, it is up to the State to create 'order out of chaos' when it finally comes to rescue the situation it itself created by the suspension of democracy, more police powers and draconian legislation and gagging of free speech. Ordo ab Chao - is a recognised Machiavellian technique that is well know and well used by the ruling elites. It is a well know fact that the introduction of certain immigrants in any country is accompanied by a corresponding curbing of civil liberties and freedom of speech.

carlos ellul

May 28th 2012, 10:16

Name me one nation who would love to give silver service to an invader irrespective of race etc. That's what uncontrolled illegal immigration is.

Kevin Wain

May 28th 2012, 12:01

Mr. Ellul, I think that you have missed my point or, maybe it is convenient for you to do so. I am sure that no country in the world likes it when migrants come to their country in large numbers, on that I will agree. Space could be limited on a tiny island as is Malta that is also true. What many people miss is that these people are not coming to Malta "just for fun", in most cases they have got issues in their respective countries of human rights abuses and, deserve our compassion. COMPASSION is rarely present in what people like yourself say and, think that is a pity.

Colin Stanley

May 28th 2012, 20:53

Is the whole of Africa unsafe for these illegal immigrants. if not why do they insist on such a journey to come to Europe? please explain

Jessica Smith

May 28th 2012, 22:58

Kevin Wain we have our own to look after.
They should go back to their own countries and fight for their rights like the Maltese people did for theirs.
We cannot allow the destruction of Maltese society and Malta just to satisfy the JRS, UNHCR and those on their bandwagon.

Kenneth Galea

May 28th 2012, 10:04

And why cannot Carm strike a deal with the Libyan authorities like the Italians did? What is Carm doing? He needs to go out there, keep lobbying and take the bull by the horns. He can no longer play the Saint and sit comfortably in his chair at his office. We want a tough Immigration Minister who does not give a hoot about what the UNHCR says or dictates. Carm resign yesterday instead of tomorrow.

Jeremy Azzopardi

May 28th 2012, 10:11

I don't think they're really 'pro-immigrant'. What they do is try to treat these guests, however unwelcome, humanely. that there is a problem with the large number of illegal immigrants is acknowledged by all. The difference is that many people just complain, while some people actually do something to help these people. No matter how unwelcome, they are still people. Certainly, we need to do something about illegal immigration, but we can still be christian about it...

Jessica Smith

May 28th 2012, 23:01

Remember that Frattini had said that he wanted Malta and Cyprus to be illegal immigrants open centres and he is succeeding because we have a Eunoch for a Prime Minister.

Jeremy Azzopardi

May 28th 2012, 10:10

Right, because we're getting our illegal immigrants from the EU, aren't we?

Jeremy Azzopardi

May 28th 2012, 10:14

By the way, when I pass through Marsa I see many many of these immigrants waiting by the road in the hope of getting some day work. A lot of contractors are using these immigrants for cheap labor, and they work no better or worse than Maltese workers. Perhaps they lack the skills of Maltese workers, but that's something that is built up along time. So I really don't agree that they just come for free a payouts. The fact that they do get free payouts does not mean that they came here just for those.

carlos ellul

May 28th 2012, 10:18

No the EU is making sure that immigrants remain here Mr Azzopardi, which, considering our geographical position....is a bit of a problem. Have you ever seen Alcatraz?

FRANK MERCIECA

May 28th 2012, 11:30

WHY NOT !!!!!!!!!

Charles W. Sammut

May 28th 2012, 09:52

Who did the Maltese people elect democratically? Surely not the UNHCR and the bunch of NGOs receiving grants.

So, yes, it is the government that we blame. It's first loyalty should be to the citizens of Malta and it is betraying them big time. The UK government is drawing up contingency plans to stop an expected influx of immigrants from Greece, Spain and other EU countries in financial trouble. And these are EU citizens who have every right to resettle anywhere in the EU. It is just that the Maltese government is spineless and controlled by the Vatican and Brussels.

If these illegal immigrants put themselves in danger because they know that we will go and save them, well call their bluff, push them back and in the long run save lives. And before some bleeding heart pipes up with "You cannot do that." Well the Americans dropped 2 nuclear bombs and killed a few hundred thousand people to "shorten the war and save lives". Nobody accuses them of any crime.

Charles Grixti

May 28th 2012, 13:11

@Charles W. Sammut

Brilliant comment and analysis. Of course our government is controlled by Brussels and the Vatican - the citizens count for nothing in their eyes and they will continue full speed ahead with their social engineering plan.

"you cannot do that" - I cannot tell you how many times these do-gooders come up with this line whenever logical solutions that cannot be disputed are made to solve this situation. And all I have to say to that is, why not? Try it and see what will happen? Nothing at all I tell you except the stoppage of economic migrants to our shores and the salvation of our national interest and dignity.

As you rightly mentioned, other countries are not bothered with conventions and such when it comes to doing what is good for their national interests and the US bombing of Japan with the H-bomb is an excellent example of many. such as the recent times invasions of countries on the pretext of bringing in democracy or fighting terror.

Joe Fenech

May 27th 2012, 19:59

Politicians do that because they fear the 'racist' label. What a bunch of feeble people!

Alistair Busuttil

May 27th 2012, 20:38

there are legal obligations its not so easy

Charles W. Sammut

May 27th 2012, 20:04

This is what the Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai had to say about the problem of illegal African immigrants in his country.

"So what, the State of Israel, as the Jewish state, in the name of democracy, in the name of honouring U.N. resolutions, (should accept) a recipe for suicide?"

Our minister of the Interior on the other hand considers it a feather in his cap that he does not let illegal immigrants drift on the high seas but brings them to Malta.

Who is the realist? It is either them or us, and as far as we are concerned it has to be us. Otherwise we will be betraying our country, people and culture.

Nazzareno Cortis

May 27th 2012, 20:57

Every boat leaving Libya with ILLIGAL emegrants knows for sure that they are risking their lives and are pushing to find themselves in DISTRESS!!!!! So please------these irresponsible people are obliging the Authorities in Malta to go miles out at sea,to rescue them-----when they know that they should not volunteer on such trips!!!! It is their responsibility for leaving Libyan shores-----and no one should expect to go for their rescue if they are such heros!!!! They are literally taking Malta's authorities---- and the Maltese people in general for a ride!!!!!! The government should take the bull by the horns,and act immediately-----before it is too late!!!! rescue persons from boats in distress is Malta's responsibility------but when this is genuine!!!!

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 22:13

Alfred Bugeja
1. Not when they are traveling in uncertified overloaded un-seaworthy boats without certified crew.
2. Only when they are in distress not brought by themselves. See 1 above. No one expects someone to put himself in danger and then expect others to save him.
3. Yes we can, by towing their boats back to just off the Libyan territorial waters, no fuel and tell the Libyans to pick them up.
4. No one said let them drown. See 3 above.

Anthony Borg

May 27th 2012, 23:03

"...........I am sick and tired of reading comments of people who try and over-simplify the issue of illegal immigration which is extremely complex and riddled with legal arguments"

No, it's not complex. Only people like you make it complex!
What is not complex is that a very small Island nation like ours can never cope with extraordinary influx of people fleeing their homeland for the "European Dream".

Alfred Bugeja

May 28th 2012, 10:21

@ Jessica Smith

I shouldn't expect any better from someone who is totally misinformed or ignorant about the matter at hand.

1. You are clearly oblivious of the implications of the SAR and SOLAS conventions which Malta has been party to since they were conceived in the late 1970's. There is nothing to stop me from trying to reach Libya on a 12-foot bahri boat with one outboard motor. SAR and SOLAS do not differentiate between a merchant ship, a military vessel or a rubber dinghy. They speak of 'vessels' and 'persons in distress' on the high seas.

2. Refer to point 1. Yes, the SAR and SOLAS conventions clearly say that they are expected to.

3. To do that, you need a bilateral agreement with Libya (which we cannot afford - see my original post). Not to mention that we would be in breach of the SAR and SOLAS conventions mentioned earlier - since persons rescued are to be taken to the nearest port of call.

4. See point 3 above.

Please, before contributing further, you should look up the text of the above conventions and read them thoroughly.

@ Anthony Borg

There are legal implications that no one, not even persons like yourself who seem to prefer the rule of the jungle, can ignore.

The only really practicable solution to this problem is getting UNHCR in Libya to process asylum applications there and forcing the EU to strike a deal with Libya to stem the flow. All the rest is hogwash based on myths, misinformation and pie in the sky.

Charles Grixti

May 28th 2012, 14:00

@Alfred Bugeja

We do not give a hoot for your conventions and agreements. The fact of the matter is that there is no place for these economic migrants in Malta.

And no sane person or country for that matter should be by Convention forced to accept its own overtake by an invading horde. Citing treaties and conventions is paper-pushing to the ninth degree and only suited for bureaucrats and not the dog-eat-dog reality of today. The paper that Chamberlain flashed as peace in our time is another example of such foolhardiness, while Hitler was making plans to invade Poland and the rest of Europe.

We do not need EU lawyers but patriotic and honest leadership who have the decency and the mettle to do what needs to be done, all others be dammed. And above all we need all Maltese who value their country and their future to once and for all to stand up and be counted, instead of just grumbling under their breath.

Jessica Smith

May 28th 2012, 23:06

Alfred Bugeja As Charles Grixti said we do not care a hoot about conventions and such other rubbish when our country is being invaded and our security under threat. Unusual situations require unusual remedies and the remedy is to send them all back to Libya or to their own countries.

Joseph Calleja

May 27th 2012, 18:59

I agree completely, positively.

Anthony Borg

May 27th 2012, 18:28

Why mention Italy - they are as much in a quandary as we are!
Both nations are being held at ransom by the unreasonable, selfish bureaucrats in the EU.


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carlos ellul

May 27th 2012, 21:40

Are they Mr Borg? Immigrants have not yet landed in Lampedusa while Malta is being invaded. Haven't you noticed that we're being taken for a ride? Frattini's dream of converting Malta into a big detention center is becoming a reality.

B Attard

May 27th 2012, 18:05

Ghadhom jezistu l-FRontex?

Chris Mifsud

May 27th 2012, 18:49

At least Gaddafi was controlling the flow of illegal immigrants over the last 2 years. Lets say if 100 try to leave Libya 80 are caught.

Now that NATO and the U.S made sure Gaddafi is no more 100 try to leave Libya and all of them manage.

Chris Mifsud

May 27th 2012, 18:41

Illegal means exactly what it says. They are ILLEGAL because:

A: They came here without a Visa [Go try go to their or any other non E.U country without a Visa]
B: They came here without any documents [Go try going to anywhere in the world, even E.U with no docs]
C: They came here uninvited & unwanted

The government needs to wake up! If need be REMOVE Malta from the useless and outdated Human Rights Charter (or whatever it is called).

Joe Fenech

May 27th 2012, 19:16

Nothing according to the Maltese authorities!

Franco Farrugia

May 27th 2012, 17:10

U l-Oppozizzjoni ? Fhiex inhu mohhha?
Twegiba: Biex tnehhi lill-Ministru mil-poter!

Eve Axiaq

May 27th 2012, 19:00

@fARRUGIA. Iwa hux imma huwa xoghol il- ministru fuq din il problema u mhux ta' l-oppozizzjoni. L-oppozizzjoni l-irwol taghha hu li tikkritika.

Alfred Bugeja

May 28th 2012, 10:24

@ Eve Axiaq

Wrong! The Opposition is there to criticise, yes, but also come up with viable alternatives.

Martin Formosa

May 27th 2012, 18:29

Totally agree, Mr Gaffiero. With today's technology you would expect our government, frontex the EU insomma whoever, to look over our waters via satellite and catch the culprits, but nobody seems to care.

Franco Farrugia

May 27th 2012, 17:12

You should be ashamed of yourself, speaking and expressing yourself in that manner! You cannot grovel enough! Simply cannot.
Instead of Parliament wasting time over silly personal squabbles, they should be discussing this emergency.

Joseph Brincat

May 27th 2012, 17:55

Franco Farrugia
IT IS TRUE THAT THE PARLIAMENT IS WASTING
TIME , FOR HE SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED !!!!!!!

Joseph E Briffa

May 27th 2012, 18:15

CMB should be pacing along Malta's coast to ensure that these migrants don't land here. Louise Vella how can one be so daft?

John Azzopoardi

May 27th 2012, 21:21

Franco, you should be ashamed of yourself as a maltese for not wanting the national interest to come first. and this goes to anyone who thinks like you.

carlos ellul

May 27th 2012, 22:04

Dear Mr Farrugia, this problem had increased in a dramatic way ever since some genius signed the Dublin 2 treaty which force us to force immigrants to stay here against their will. Now after months acting as Libyan servants, the Italian managed to sign a deal with Libya while we were left in the corner. The result to that is evident, Malta is being invaded while Lampedusa is immigrant free.

Tell me ONE thing the PN government had done to tackle this problem effectively. Please don't come out with the voluntary burden sharing (which is basically begging at the EU tables for someone to pity us and take a token number of immigrants) or Frontex because they are an insult to our intelligence. The fact is, that after so many years begging in Brussels and Tripoli we've achieved nothing apart from becoming Europe's detention center in the South just as former minister Frattini wanted. Certifikat iehor mil Unjoni Ewropeja I guess.

Franco Farrugia

May 27th 2012, 17:13

I agree with you: but does Parliament have the time to 'have a special session'? They're far too busy discussing Mifsud Bonnici who according to PL+FD deserves to resign, and over stupid Wikileaks.

Joseph Brincat

May 27th 2012, 18:00

THE PROBLEM IS THE MINISTER AND NO ONO ELSE !!!!

FRANK MERCIECA

May 27th 2012, 19:35

@ Albert.........you hit the nail on the head. These sub-saharan peoples, are now genuine refugees, because since the new Libyans took over, These peoples are in fear of their lives, from the arabs. There is now no protection from the law to protect these poor peoples. Shame on the Libyans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 22:18

No they are not genuine refugees. They can go back overland to their own countries or to another African country. That's how they got to Libya isn't it? So they can go back the same way.

carlos ellul

May 27th 2012, 22:22

Actually they used to go to Lampedusa, but now no immigrant has yet reached the island. I asked why? Could it be that Libya's deal with Italy is working against our favor? And if Italy can do such deal then why the Florence Nightingale of Europe can't do the same? Weren't we told that we've won great respect from the Libyans for doing our part in the revolution?

S.M. Cuschieri

May 27th 2012, 16:22

They can't do that Jessica. Wish it were so simple :). But yes. Indeed we have a problem.

B. Cachia

May 27th 2012, 17:44

@ S.M. Cuschieri: You appear to have no background in international law or international relations :) Yes, they can be sent back with very minor repercussions for Malta. The Geneva Convention has no mechanism to penalize countries that ignore its provisions and, while we might lose a court case or two in Strasbourg in ten years' time, it would hardly be the end of the world. Everything has a price, and in this case, even a high price would be justified, let alone the little slap on the wrist that we'd be likely to get.

S.M. Cuschieri

May 27th 2012, 21:09

@ B. Cachia

Yes you are right. I do not have a background in international law, but I thought that if their country is in a crisis or at unrest, we cannot send them back. It is only when, for instance, they come from a country that is at peace that they are repatriated.Thank you for the info :).

Jamie Iain Genovese

May 27th 2012, 16:22

In the meantime, the do-badders should be exiled from the kingdom of do-gooders and go off to create their own island of do-baddery and maniacal mustache parties, where me-time is all-the-time and no body every needs any help, ever.

Sounds like a plan.

Martin Schranz

May 27th 2012, 16:55

I have a better idea, why don't we put all the haters, such as yourself, Louise Vella, and Dennis MIcallef , on a boat, give you fuel and water and send you off towards Europe. Like that everyone will be happy. There would be plenty of space left on this island once we get rid of the haters.

Martin Formosa

May 27th 2012, 17:49

Mr Schranz, I am sure Mrs Vella's comment is not coming out of hate, she is just concerned about the situation as the majority of us on the island. The people landing on our shores could have been green, yellow, white whatever, it is concerning to say the least when we have a population of 1600 persons per square kilo meter approx., You must not hide your head in the sand and think it is all OK or the problem is going away, action has to be taken NOW.

B. Cachia

May 27th 2012, 18:16

@ Martin Schranz and Jamie Iain Genovese: Actually you sound like 'haters' yourselves, judging by your tone ;)

Jamie Iain Genovese

May 27th 2012, 18:16

We'll have less problems when we stop concerning ourselves with our own island. The world is our country, and people are our compatriots.

You're right though, action has to be taken now. Just not in whatever way you're thinking.

Eve Axiaq

May 27th 2012, 16:53

He went back to advertise Malta, doing the MTA job lol

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 22:22

Yes, money sent back is bleeding the Maltese economy apart from the money being taken from Maltese workers and their families mouths.

Joseph E Briffa

May 27th 2012, 18:23

When did the Maltese struggle to get their 'freedom' Pat? I was always under the impression that the only struggle for freedom was during the 1970s and 1980s.

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 22:23

Joseph E Briffa wants to change history? Who was protesting against the British Government in the 1950's and 1960's? Certainly not the PN.

B Attard

May 27th 2012, 17:07

Totally agreed, even the government doesn't care less cause the burden is on the Maltese people.
Shame on the government and especially on our supposed friends the EU members.

Charles Grixti

May 29th 2012, 05:04

Joe, the PN is anything but Leftist. Have you not noticed the debasing of the working classes and the slacking of employment legislation? To be sure, the PN is showing its true Rightist character. After all, the glut in people willing to work cheaper and cheaper and the frozen wages benefits only one class - the wealthy owners of capital - the PN have created a Rightist/Fascist paradise.

B. Cachia

May 27th 2012, 12:10

Helping others is very important but if you destroy yourself in the process you won't be able to help anyone else anyomore, including yourself. In this case, we're not talking about a few individuals, we're talking about a large community that is growing by the week and that does not have a history of being able to either assimilate or coexist peacefully with others. Do you really think we should be taking risks with our children's future by allowing this influx to continue?

John Portelli

May 27th 2012, 12:10

Well they are all yours ,why don't you help them??

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 12:23

Ryan Dalli min mis-subgha jehodlok idek trid tehles minnu mhux tkompli ttih ir-rih biex jaghmel li jrid bik.

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 12:50

Ryan Dalli I do not want Malta to end up like this which it will if they are not repatriated.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/24/israelis-attack-african-migrants-protest
Israelis attack African migrants during protest against refugees

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,15973139,00.html
Violence in Israel as African immigration stirs anger

Mark Anthony Fenech

May 27th 2012, 14:19

Minix bniedem reliġjuż essaċċ però għandek raġun biex tbiegħ f'dak li qed tgħid.

B Attard

May 27th 2012, 17:10

Mr. Ryan Dalli, these are immature thoughts.

stephen koludrovic

May 27th 2012, 12:10

You are wrong it is not the rich and civilized countries that want that, it is the African countries rulers that do that.

The rich countries have zeroed all their debts, sent billions of dollars as aid, both as food and materials.

It is only their rulers that never want to give up power, and just make a complete mess of things while in power

One good example would be Mugabe, under Ian Smith Zimbabwe was the richest country in Africa, under Mugabe it ended up being the poorest.

B. Cachia

May 27th 2012, 12:35

Africans have to take responsibility for their own countries. No one else can solve your problems if you are unwilling to solve them yourself. Allowing a few thousands or tens of thousands of them to settle here will do nothing to solve Africa's issues.

Mr rene borg

May 27th 2012, 15:04

Sorry but your argument is very simplistic. Hunting is a very different issue from corruption and war in Africa. To say that rich & civilised countries wants war or corruption in Africa is very untrue. The west should not put their finger in the pie in other people's business unless utterly required such as in the case of Libya. African countries like western countries have the right to govern independently as they deem fit. They have no right to intervene if there is corruption or if there is no consensus within the UN.

Cristina Cefai

May 27th 2012, 16:01

Mr Zammit, i'm sorry, but 'mastered the art of abusing the taxpayer'? Whilst i acknowledge that such arrivals are a burden on taxpayers, it is unjust to sum up these immigrants' precarious situation under such a label! I am a hundred percent behind anyone who criticises the EU for not stepping in but ultimately the majority of these unfortunate souls require humanitarian aid which is the bottom line of the story.

Patrick Zammit

May 27th 2012, 17:06

Ms Cefai

What is "precarious" about traveling for hundreds of miles whilst crossing illegally more than one border to finally arrive at the country of your choice? It looks more like "organized" and "fraudulent". If you enter illegally and purposely without documents, you can hide your true country of origin and thus qualify for more protection/handouts. But if you, as a Maltese citizen is found walking a dog which has not been chipped, your own state will come down on you like a ton of bricks and fine you (if not mistaken) E400.

Charles Grixti

May 29th 2012, 05:15

@Cristina Cefai

Please do not live in a cocoon. These economic migrants have indeed mastered the art of abusing taxpayers, an art form that they have honed to perfection. Do not forget, long before they came to Malta, they came to Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Canada etc etc. where they specialise in skinning the taxpayers there.

The question one should be asking, what is in it for the Governments of all these nations to allow this to continue to happen with their blessings and who is set to benefit from it?

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 16:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9n5JnH9wYU
Dictator Gaddafi demands 7 trillion dollars from Europe "or face massimmigration". At UN 09-23-09

Joseph Calleja

May 27th 2012, 15:05

Good point Mr Ellul. Yes Joseph Muscat, What would you do if you were the leader in this unfortunate situation? Will you be willing to send these unwanted, uninvited illegal immigrants who are invading our small country back to where they came from? Talk is cheap, but what would you and the PL do if they were in power?

P. Zammit

May 27th 2012, 12:20

It is pretty obvious that you cannot put these persons on a plane and send they to Libya if there is no proof that they left that country. They would be sent back on the first plane back to Malta. So difficult to understand ?

Mr andrew xuereb

May 27th 2012, 14:09

Its more than true what you are saying, but not from our side from the gov.

Rita Zammit

May 27th 2012, 13:09

I totally agree. We should help them by supplying food and water, but send them back at once to Libya or wherever they came from. Those in need of medical assistance, should be given the assistance immediately, but after they recover, they have to be sent back. We can't keep on having these illegal immigrants coming to our shore. They are coming often, u n-numru dejjem jizdied and when you consider our burden we can't continue. There are plenty of Maltese families who need help and we need to help our own ppl first.

Jamie Iain Genovese

May 27th 2012, 16:29

Are we better off? Seriously? What kind of asinine question is that?!

I Barbara

May 27th 2012, 09:35

This is actually part of the whole plan. I am sure that the distress signal was something like "mayday mayday ... We have 2 pregnant women on board ... Please help". Having said this, for people to risk their lives in this way than the situation must be dramatic in their country.

stephen spiteri

May 27th 2012, 09:49

any mother who wants a better future for their children !!!

l vella

May 27th 2012, 10:15

omm iddisprata li qed tfittex hajja ahjar ghat tarbija

Bernard Bezzina

May 27th 2012, 11:52

hallina bi kwietna vella dalghodu...............how naive..............mhux ovvja li hadet l-opportunita biex twelled lit-tarbija f'pajjizna ghll-iskopijiet taghha!!

J Abela

May 27th 2012, 12:07

@l vella:

May I refer to a recent article by the blogger Alison Bezzina 'Children are a luxury' posted on Friday, May 4, 2012.

B. Storace

May 27th 2012, 09:31

There is too much political correctness in the air and the long term repercussions are not being heeded at all. And one day in the not too distant future we shall be overwhelmed and obliged to knuckle under their will. Just have a good look at the UK, Holland, France and other European countries.
Being compassionate and helpful in their hour of need is one thing but even the thought of integrating them into our society spells disaster from the outcome. I am not a so called racist, I am being pragmatic and looking ahead.

Patrick Sacco

May 27th 2012, 09:47

I have already started to boycott LPN.

They are one party after all!

The illegal immigration problem has made this clear by now!

B. Cachia

May 27th 2012, 13:08

@ Patrick Sacco: True, but they still badly want our votes and we should sell them dearly. Candidates should be asked to clearly express their position during house visits and held to account if they then act differently. At the end of the day votes are the only language that politicians understand.

Francis Bonello

May 27th 2012, 15:31

@ B. Cachia
Agreed 100%. I have already informed the PN that I will not vote if this ILLEGAL immigration does not STOP completely.

J Degabriele

May 27th 2012, 11:22

Yes, illegal. It is illegal to try and dump oneself on another country without passports or documents. You try it and see what happens!

stephen koludrovic

May 27th 2012, 11:47

@ Christine,

Would the word irregular, instead of illegal help.

However I doubt that it would change the views of how most persons on the island would think about them.

Charles W. Sammut

May 27th 2012, 11:57

This is 'asylum shopping' and it is illegal.

J Abela

May 27th 2012, 12:00

Christine: entering a country without identification is illegal. Period.

Anthony Arpa below couldn't have explained it better: until we know exactly who's coming in, we cannot accept them running on the streets. It could be very well the case of trained militia entering the country under the disguise of defenseless immigrants.

Re. Maltese Integration policies: do not impose policies - it will just not work and backfire.

Charles Grixti

May 27th 2012, 12:33

Why is it that people like you are so keen to favour these people over your own? Could it be that those that think like that feel that they are earning points in the 'afterlife' for this supposed kindness you propose or are they being paid a high wage as proponents of multiculturallism and illegal immigration with the intention of gaining a cushier job outside Malta with the EU? Or do they have such an inferiority complex about their nationality that they are willing to be consumed and destroyed?

It has to be one of those reasons or all of the above, otherwise, not logical thinknig person that loves their family and country would thing like that. People should look at such persons as extremely suspect.

Pippo De Marco

May 27th 2012, 16:10

Ms. Xuereb.

However YOU might want people to refer to these would-be immigrants, they are ILLEGALS.

As for integration .... You cannot expect and demand people to change their thinking and accept a dilution of Maltese society. In fact, Hell is more likely to freeze over before before your dream becomes a reality.

Kevin Attard

May 28th 2012, 15:19

I agree with Christine. The term illegal immigrant is incorrect, offensive and vague. It shouldn't be used by anyone, let alone by 'journalists'. Infact, it should be banned. Undocumented immigrants is a much better term.

No one is illegal, not even murderers. They are humans which have done an illegal act.

No one is saying this isn't a problem but we still need to respect people's rights.

B Attard

May 27th 2012, 17:13

Sewwa qed tghid il-frosta ghalina l-Maltin qeghda ahna l-imsieken dejjem.

Andrea Damato

May 27th 2012, 10:33

The EU is only there to bully Malta when (mostly inflated) reports by anti-hunting groups regarding illegal hunting incidents are made.

When it comes to much more serious issues in respect og illegal immigration such the famous burden sharing of illegal immigrants and help to stop this illegal influx in our country, the EU is mum and non-existent.

This is the EU that we voted for.

E Xuereb

May 27th 2012, 08:46

Good one :) I hope next time you include the last paragraph where it says that they are on their way back home !!!!!!!!!

Patrick Sacco

May 27th 2012, 10:11

Prosit!

Mr Tony Gatt

May 27th 2012, 11:54

A new national poet?

Alfred Vassallo

May 27th 2012, 08:59

Because it's all hogwash that we have the best of relation with our southern neighbor.

Anthony Scicluna

May 27th 2012, 09:07

Jessica, Is it your colonist half speaking? Where do you get the idea that these people are from Libya? Even if they were. where do you get the idea that Libya is safe? Don't you read anything besides Mills and Boon? Why do you pick on the humane things that a government does? Do you think that MLP wouldn't do the same? Do you think that sending every foreigner back is the solution? If so, and by your own argument, send your British heritage back to Blighty!

F Goodwin

May 27th 2012, 09:33

No, Libya is not a safe country, especially not for sub-saharan African people.

Even a cursory google search could answer your rhetorical question. You don't even need to look beyond local media to inform yourself: http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=144311

In answer to your second question, they are also held here against their own wishes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

B Sallah

May 27th 2012, 10:02

@Mr. Anthony Scicluna

I see the anti-British sentiment in you brings forth the most stupid points with relation to the article above. How can the two circumstances be seen the same way. If it were not for the British invovlement you would be living a much different life today that is for certain. I am not pro-anything when it comes to 'Britain' but your attitude towards Ms. Smith [no doubt due to her surname alone] is awful.

Count to ten next time I suggest.

B. Cachia

May 27th 2012, 10:17

@ Anthony Scicluna: For you this issue appears to be an exclusively humanitarianism question. For almost everyone else, that is only one aspect of this situation. Another very important aspect is the fact that we (and future generations of Maltese) are going to have to live with another very large and growing community on this already densely populated island. And this new community we're talking about is one that is known to be unable to either assimilate or coexist peacefully with other religions and cultures. Are you so short-sighted that you cannot see this risk? Are we to be expected to throw the dice on our country and our children's future just like that?

As for your offensive comments to other commentators such as Ms Smith, I humbly suggest that you apologize. Insults and unseemly behaviour reflect badly on their source and not on their intended target.

Jessica Smith

May 27th 2012, 11:36

Anthony Scicluna it is my freedom half that is speaking. Since when do you defend foreign countries instead of your own country? Send them back to stop this invasion as Dr Gonzi himself had called it.

stephen koludrovic

May 27th 2012, 09:59

Don't forget Luxembourg, the richest country of the EU.

Michael Borg

May 27th 2012, 09:03

well said

Joe Grech

May 27th 2012, 08:44

It is as you say Ms. Vella. The AFM has become a lousy ferry service for the illegals. What else can you expect to happen under this irresponsible and inefficient administration?
Gonzi just obeys Cecilia Malmstrom and his European bosses. To hell with national needs!

Joe Grech

May 27th 2012, 08:46

Very true....the E.U. is falling to pieces financially and it foolishly continues this policy of ''immigrant gratification''. Meanwhile it abandons those left in Africa without manpower to their lot!
Cecilia Malmstrom....resign!

carlos ellul

May 27th 2012, 10:54

Considering that the EU doesn't give a freck about Malta, its just another nail to us. Don't worry though, Simon will surely address them as he always do.

Joe Grech

May 27th 2012, 08:48

Is Cecilia Malmstrom reading this I wonder? Of course she isn't - she just pockets her salary. And to hell with Europe - and Africa for that matter.
E.U. has failed financially....and socially. It has let down its own citizens!
Shame

Alfred Vassallo

May 27th 2012, 09:03

''Please lets take action.''

Who Gonzi's Government. They have their hands full with their internal quarrels.

Charles Grixti

May 27th 2012, 13:01

Maltese take action? When is that going to happen when the last of our breed dies out? The Maltese have been so cowered by Politically Correct legislation and brainwashing from all fronts, the Church included, they have had their national spirit and pride decimated. Pity all those that died during the last war, they surely be turning in their graves to see to what state the Maltese nation has been reduced.

The people of Israel are nowtfools, they have taken to the street to protest the invasion by illegal immigrants in their midst - being a small country they understand that they can be easily inundated and taken from within. How much worse is its-bitsy Malta then? So why are not the Maltese, one and all protesting in the streets, have we all become cowards?