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A progressive MintoffYana

Dom Mintoff’s daughter is a candidate for what Labour leader Joseph Muscat calls his movement of progressives and moderates. Yana Mintoff Bland tells Christian Peregin she is the progressive part.

You spent most of your life out of the country. What made you leave?

We need to think about where capitalism is going today. When you don’t have a good trade union movement, you see conditions deteriorate.

Work opportunities and education. When I first left I was very young and there was the interdiction of the Labour leaders. I couldn’t go to secondary school here without going to a Church school and since our family was being persecuted, my parents thought it best for me to go abroad.

What was life like as Dom Mintoff’s daughter? Did you feel privileged or victimised?

I was like any other girl, really. In my current house visits, my constituents say they remember me running around the bastions barefoot. I was a rather wild Maltese girl. But I remember seeing girls my age begging, so that affected me...

The poverty?

Yes. We worked hard in our household but we weren’t in poverty.

Did you manage to have a normal father-daughter relationship? Did you see Dom Mintoff as a politician or a father?

Well, I can’t divide the two. My father was on a mission to help the Maltese people so I knew him as a determined person doing something. We always had politicians at home who played with me while they were waiting. But my father always found time for the family. Every day we would go for a walk together or swimming. These were the most wonderful moments.

What mark have your travels left on you?

You’re always framed by your experiences. I’ve worked a lot with students who were not successful at school. I’ve worked mostly in the fields of education but also political activism... human rights and peace. And yes, I’ve learnt a great deal. There’s good and bad in every place and every person. You look for the good and try to do good...

My father always told me to find my own path and I did. I think it was important for me not to take advantage of his successes, to make my own path and not piggyback on his legacy, you could say.

You have reacted to the latest documentary about your father, Dear Dom. You took offence to the fact that it was written in the form of a letter and yet was not given to your father first for him to respond. Had you never heard of the concept of an open letter?

Well my father is here and very up-to-date with events, so an open letter addressed openly – not to a particular person – and a letter to someone who is still up-to-date with events, are two different things.

Photo: Matthew MirabelliPhoto: Matthew Mirabelli

The filmmaker, Pierre Ellul, had tried to make contact with your father but got nowhere.

He says he tried some years back to contact my dad. And he probably did. I think he tried to fax him from England.

Your dad was never very accessible for interviews.

No.

So do you think he would have responded if the filmmaker tried harder?

He might not. But I think some respect is due and as a sign of respect he should have given the family a preview. We had to contact him.

But then he accommodated you and even changed the original date when you couldn’t make it.

Yes, but still.

Do you think people should boycott the film?

It’s totally up to them. Personally, as I said, I think it’s shallow and it’s part of Nationalist propaganda.

Is your father going to see it?

We’ll see. He hasn’t really mentioned it. He just asked about the right of reply.

You were also upset that public funds were used for the film’s production...

Yes, how many? No one knows...

The figure is about €54,000.

Well, it’s not peanuts.

Another four films were also allocated money by the Malta Film Fund. If you were in government administering a fund like this, would you not allow films of a political nature to benefit?

I would think you have to set up a board with people from both sides.

Labourites and Nationalists?

Yes. I’ve always worked with committees. I find them really good. When I ran entities or a school I would use committees and get an objective view in the end.

And do you think if this went through such a process the money would not have been allocated?

I don’t know but that’s how I would work. I would also work with a lot of transparency. The fact that you had to dig out the number...

Well, I asked the Office of the Prime Minister.

Good job, because transparency in any organisation is very important. You have to have accountability. It’s very important with real democracy to have that kind of accountability and I see that as a major failing today in Malta. For instance, the government never declared it was giving an extra €7,000 to its people.

The duty allowance to Cabinet, you mean?

Yes, it’s that kind of leadership that encourages other people to be dishonest. And it comes from the top, where you have to have very high standards. I really think we’re on an unsustainable path in Malta.

Going back to the film, many young people who were brought up to view your father as a tyrant saw a different side to the man: a charismatic negotiator with a sense of humour. Some said it was too lenient. How does it feel to hear people say that when you thought it was disgusting?

I didn’t say it was disgusting, but what I think happened to the younger generation is they have been fed a pack of lies about the party. To say he is a tyrant is a lie. He believes in human rights. He can get enraged, yes. But even The Times has consistently used labels like dictator and tyrant. So I think it’s good now that people are looking at things in more detail.

So in a way this film helps us revisit history and that’s a good thing.

It’s always good to revisit history.

You said you were seeking legal advice. What did your lawyers tell you?

That’s no comment.

You wouldn’t like to tell us if you’re going to take action or not?

No. No comment.

Turning to your new political career, what made you get into politics now, after so long?

Let’s look at the facts. We’ve got 38 per cent of our students failing school. That’s terribly high. They don’t have a future ahead of them. We have one of the highest illiteracy rates in Europe. We can’t just sit back and let that go on, it’s scandalous.

At the moment I’m going around Valletta, to areas like Due Balli and Mandraġġ. Everyone is very welcoming and I must say their homes are spotless. But the conditions are horrendous. In some cases it’s like we’re living in a Third World country.

Do you think nothing has changed?

Many things have changed but now things are changing for the worse. The gap between rich and poor is growing. And it’s like people don’t care. It’s like we’re losing our soul.

So did Joseph Muscat approach you or did you approach him about getting involved in the Labour Party?

We talked about certain issues of mutual concern.

Who extended the invitation?

It was through friends and then he invited me to come to the conference. I think he’s an exceptional leader, very good at uniting people.

How did your father react when you told him you would be contesting the election?

He was very pleased.

Former Labour leader Alfred Sant had sidelined the Mintoffians. How did you feel about that? How did your father feel when he was called a traitor? Is the hurt still there?

It was a very sad time.

Even for you?

For everyone in the party. You don’t like to see a party disintegrate like that.

Now things seem to be changing and many Mintoffians are returning into the heart of the Labour Party. Do you think Dr Muscat is being truer to Labour’s history? How do you feel about the fact that people like you are being welcomed with open arms?

It’s very good. He’s attracting many young, good intelligent people, and yes, more Mintoffjani, so I think it’s good.

Obviously this irks some people too.

But I think he’s good at steering the boat. As you know there’s a civil war going on in the Nationalist Party, but that’s democracy.

What differences and similarities do you see between the Labour Party today and the one your father led?

I think the central beliefs are there: that the majority of people need to have respect and the majority of people are the working class. So I think that’s what unites us – that we care about the majority of people having a decent life and not falling into poverty and ignorance.

In other ways it’s different. Just having young people demanding civil rights, like the gay movement and divorce movement, makes a big difference. When I was active in the 1980s I would say things like that but I was the only one.

In fact, some people who know you told me you are “as liberal as they come”. How liberal are you?

When I ran my school in Texas I allowed students full participation. Most had been bullied or were particularly clever and did not fit in the usual school situation. I wanted to use a creative model, so after full discussions, we had a situation where the students could vote for the board of trustees. That way they played a part in the running of the school. Obviously, the students had guidelines because you have to have discipline. But that is an example of how liberal I am.

But in the 1980s, you said you were the only person talking about divorce and gay rights. We’re still discussing these issues here. Do you think you are too liberal for Malta?

No, I feel I am very much a fish in my water. I’m not really representing those particular cases so much as the need for the working class in Malta to have good conditions at work, pensioners to have liveable pensions, social services being liveable... Of course, you want to overcome laziness and fraud, but to have a decent and high quality of life is something we can do.

That is something all politicians say. It’s a question of whether one can actually do them.

Well, I’m used to making a difference.

What I meant is that you’ve fought for causes such as women’s rights. So how do you feel about issues like reproductive rights and abortion, for instance?

The main thing I feel about women in this country is the problem of domestic violence. I think it is scandalous that we have the highest incidence of domestic violence in Europe.

What, according to you, leads to it?

I think it comes from the fact that we’ve lost our values. I think it’s to do with the justice system, that the perpetrators are not held responsible quickly enough.

You didn’t answer my question about abortion.

I think it’s a big debate. I couldn’t answer it in a word. It’s a big debate.

Is it something you feel we need to discuss though? At the moment we seem to be discussing these moral issues a lot.

Yes, we should discuss. Why not? I believe in a good discussion based on facts and balance. But with all these rights, there are responsibilities too. We need to think about where capitalism is going today. When you don’t have a good trade union movement, you see conditions deteriorate. People work really long hours, children are abandoned and then you get single parents. With extra rights, like divorce, we need to have education about the responsibilities because children are our future.

Are there issues in which you are not in agreement with Dr Muscat, though? He believes in civil partnerships but not gay marriage, for instance.

I didn’t really know his position on that. We haven’t discussed it.

Do you feel you fit into what Dr Muscat calls a movement of progressives and moderates?

Well, I’m very progressive.

Not so much moderate?

I’m passionate, I would say.

Progressive seems to mean many things to many different people. Your comments about the film did not sound very progressive.

Am I not allowed my opinion?

But you implied the filmmaker should be taken to court.

I didn’t. A journalist (on TVM) asked me what I’m doing and I said I’m consulting a lawyer. I’m not a lawyer, I’m an economist, so I have no idea.

So you don’t feel action should be taken?

I have no idea. I don’t think it is good historical research and I’ve said that. The interviewer asked me if I’m doing anything and I said I’m talking to a lawyer.

As an activist, you were not particularly moderate. Once you were arrested and fined for hurling manure in the House of Commons. What was that about?

That was about human rights. I knew people who were subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment in the prisons in Northern Ireland who wanted a united island free of military forces. I was particularly close to a mother who had two sons and one husband in prison. I won’t go through their conditions because they were horrendous.

We had blanket protests where she would dress up in a blanket because the prisoners did not have clothes. So we would raise awareness by setting up meetings with MPs and journalists.

If the issue had been addressed at the time in a democratic and reasonable way it would have avoided people like Bobby Sands (imprisoned IRA member) dying of a hunger strike. It was a desperate situation where hundreds of people were imprisoned under British rule in Northern Ireland. That’s what motivated me.

So you don’t regret it?

No.

Meanwhile, in Malta, human rights were being breached, arguably by your father’s government. Did you feel unable to react in the way you did in the UK? Or do you feel that human rights were not being breached at all?

I would need more facts on that.

Watch excerpts of the interview.

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Wenzu Vella

Jun 2nd 2012, 08:44

Ms Greck, all the good that Mr Mintoff has done in his time as Prime Minister is still there for everyone to enjoy including you. Both MLP and PN have done well in their time, but a lot of mistakes have been done by both parties too. The problem with people like you is that you prefer the scaremongering parts because you think this will keep scaring people.
You are failing to understand that most people like to move on in life and you are going to be left behind unless you change with the times.

David Bezzina

Apr 10th 2012, 08:32

Always same boring rhetoric Mr.Saliba.The electorate are intelligent enough to know who took them for a ride these last 4 years.And it is not Joseph Muscat.

G Schembri

Apr 10th 2012, 00:13

Id-differenza bejn IZ-ZEWG PARTITI hija wahda. Li tal-PN kienu jitfghu l-gebla u jahbi jdejhom, u qatt ma accettaw il hazin li ghamlu. Fil-waqt li tal-MLP kull ma kienu jaghmlu kienu jaghmluh fil-miftuh, u l-leaders taghhom kienu jitolbu skuza. Meta tal-PN sawtu n-nies u kisru wara l-elezjoni tal-1987 EFA qal li din kienet biss efforija ta wara r-rebha. Kellu bzon xi hadd jikteb l-istorja kif veru grat, mhux kif pingewa l-propogandisti tal-PN.

David Bezzina

Apr 10th 2012, 08:38

WHENEVER YOU RECEIVE YOUR FIRST PENSION CHEQUE REMEMBER THAT IT WAS THANKS TO THAT MAN WHO WAS MALTA'S BIGGEST CURSE THAT YOU ARE RECEIVING IT.

Antoine Vella

Apr 9th 2012, 11:25

The position of Joseph Muscat regarding Mintoff is not the result of confusion but of arrogance.

He thinks that he has already acquired the vote of "liberals' and can therefore afford to turn to the old Mintoffian guard. it is up to the electorate to disabuse him of this presumption.

I think I speak for thousand of Mintoff's victims when I say that, whatever else the PL is offering, its return to rabid Mintoffianism is reason enough to keep it in Opposition for another term.

Until they learn.

Frank Zammit

Apr 8th 2012, 22:50

So in your opinion floating voters should vote for the oligarchy, the web of evil and incompetence? Wow that is really intelligent and progressive. Get a life Francis Saliba M.D.

Mr Edward Caruana Galizia

Apr 8th 2012, 20:03

Forgiveness cannot take place when the pain caused is denied. The more they avoid the subject, the more they twist things round and claim that the pain and troubles were all made up, the harder it is to forgive.

They will never confront the people who were directly hurt by Mintoff. They will never sit down and listen to the truth of what it was like to live with him as a PM.

Richard Caruana

Apr 9th 2012, 07:26

Forgive, yes; forget, no, and doing that would be at our own peril

Daniel Dimech

Apr 8th 2012, 20:20

fuq it tieni punt ghandek zball KBIR HAFNA staqsi lil tat tarzna , kaccaturi , lil tas sea malta u kulhadd min ircieva ittra biex iserrah mohhu!!!! le ma bieghux gideb

Robert Henry Bugeja

Apr 9th 2012, 07:31

....Reality is what is actually hitting the Maltese elecorate today Edward (not yeserday). That is what they care about and that is what they will be voting on this coming election...Your pathetic argument holds no ground anymore...PAST PAST PAST....as if your party's past was divine and perfectly clean. In the sixties, Borg Oliver knew that he did not stand a miniscule chance to win against Mintoff if his coalition with Mgr. Gonzi's Church was not on. A Church who was so powerful at that time, that it managed to instill fear in people's minds to vote against Labour. I tell you my friend that those dark days were marked by fear, intimidation and manipulation...and the PN (1962. 1966) in government was ok with it....What a gloriuos past, eh? Tell us more pls Ed...

Mr Edward Caruana Galizia

Apr 9th 2012, 11:14

You judge someone on their past.

Secondly, the past of the PN that you are referring to is not the past the is threatening to come back is it? It is the past of the PL that is calling itself glorious and telling us to vote for it AGAIN.

So yes, the PL's past is extremely relevant, more so than ever, because it is their past that they themselves admit they want to bring back.

P. Ciantar

Apr 9th 2012, 17:15

@ Robert It seems LP sypathizers are always ashamed of their past !!!!!

Mr Edward Caruana Galizia

Apr 10th 2012, 01:07

Yes it is typical of people, after joining in with the crowd and carrying out shameful acts, to later on reflect on their actions with disgust.

When there were the London riots last Summer a lot of people were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and joined in with the mob not because they are delinquents or deprived youths but because they are human, and what they experienced is part of the human condition. In fact the next day quite a few turned themselves in, disgusted by their actions.

The same with the PL supporters, although since the PL keep on standing up for its supporters, they will always be given a way out which means they will never accept, understand or admit to their actions which they keep hidden even to themselves. Accepting their actions would be too difficult for them.


Ethelbert Schembri

Apr 8th 2012, 20:20

And in those days we lived in fear of a bomb exploding on our home because my father was an MLP supporter !!
Those days bombs had the tendency to explode in particular and sensitive places to help the propaganda machine of your father !!
Yes you are right, everyone has his own story to tell and if one just think that in the case of the attack of your home when you was a little boy, that I condemn, no one was arrested not even recognized!! Like when a group of unknown individuals attacked The Times, there again no one was arrested and not even recognized. The victimizing card was easy to play!!
Some stories were just way too suspicious to believe if one just stopped and think with his own free mind !!
Again .. I hope you recovered after that particular incident because not everyone could recover from those days !!

Ivan Grech Mintoff

Apr 8th 2012, 22:47

Dr Fenech Adami,

Those were horrrible horrible times.

Just for the record I too remember being petrified.

-As a 13 year old boy I even remember seeing my mum punched in the face by PN Thugs.

- I to remember being horrified at what happened to Karen Grech and thinking "thereby for the grace of God go I".

- At the same era, I also remember having SCOTLAND YARD inspectors coming to my school and telling me that a threat had been put on my and my brother's life. We were not even to go into town on our own or get onto any cars even if I'm told to get in quick as mum had been in an accident etc...

- I also remember distinctly my Cousin Laurence Mintoff and his then BABY having beer bottles thrown at him (and the baby) from the roof of a PN club in Rahal Gdid or Traxien as they walked by...

- Oh and we still have the knife that was thrown from a roof top and very narrowly missing my mother as she took me to play at a friend's house.

Yes indeed Dr, Adami, there are many who have stories from those eras and I am sure up to present times to tell. Human rights? What human rights? And to top it up, we then have people who claim to be knights in shining armour defending democracy and human rights.

Thankfully we know the other side of the coin too. I think that this was a very, very bad era in our history that started as soon as Dr GBO was deposed and ended when PN took over government.

marius look forward

Apr 8th 2012, 23:03

Always about Labour why we don t talk about the years between 60 and 70 when the Nationalists in power trew out before christmas my father and mother in law and there 11 children because their house was to be given to a nationalist family.
And why always go back to the past look in what state the country is because you people always bla bla bla bla bla filling your pockets and the pockets of your friends and the rest you don t care for.
But a few month s more and your fairytale is over thank you for that.
Viva Malta with a new goverment. Marius

Frank Zammit

Apr 8th 2012, 23:53

I agree totally with what you have said and you have every right to feel like you do. Yes it was horrible and disgusting. No other words to describe what you have been through just as much as you agree me with me that the persecution that the Labour supporters of the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s had to endure amounts to nothing but a monumental violation of human rights.

Where was the PN then? I tell you where the PN was. The PN was busy forming a partnership with the perpetuators of this calamity. Isn't the defamation of the dead just for supporting a political Party the worst kind of human right violation? is that democracy? Have you ever wondered what could have been had the PN opposed the oppression instead of tacitly agreeing to such abusive practice ?

Mr Edward Caruana Galizia

Apr 8th 2012, 20:17

I agree 100%. The answer speaks volumes.

Richard Caruana

Apr 9th 2012, 07:33

Thank God that the PN boycotted Integration!

We'd all be British citizens right now, suffering the same plights with no self determination at all.

Is that what the MLP still believe in? Integration? Selling our souls and hearts to the British?

This gives me the shivers more than reading the cobwebbed arguments of MintoffYana

Mr charles azzopardi

Apr 9th 2012, 18:32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltese_United_Kingdom_integration_referendum,_1956

Integration was even better than today's EU .. England was strong and Malta would retain its parliament .. it was just political opposition . Now we are in EU .. with the economical status that everybody knows , with divorce and with a constitution that refrains from mentioning the word " God " ..

As the Canon has said in the film : " Mintoff had vanguard ideas in those times " and was opposed with an obsession close to racism and apartheid ! I believe that this oppression lead to what happened later on .

My opinion , please respect it .

C . Azzopardi

Wally Vella-Zarb

Apr 8th 2012, 19:12

"Let me remind you that Gonzi is in power with a relative MAJORITY "

The operative word there is RELATIVE. The MAJORITY of those who voted did NOT vote for GonziPN and therefore, yes, technically the government with which we have been saddled IS "against the WILL OF THE MAJORITY".

CONSTITUTIONALLY it has a right to be there; but then, so had the Labour government after the 1981 elections. As you said, "Nies bhalek jiskantawni kif jippruvaw jghawgu l-istorja u l-hmieg taghhom ituh lill-haddiehor u jahsbu li ser jirnexxilhom."

G Schembri

Apr 8th 2012, 19:14

It is you who uses two weights and two measures. I never said Mintoff was right I only said that it the PN was really democratic Lawrence Gonzi would have called an election as early as possible especially after he lost the majority in Parliament. And say what you want but the extra seat in Parliament should have been given to AD and not to the PN.
It is you who do not have the slightest idea what I am talking about. For me democracy is when Parliament represents the will of the people for you Democracy is when the PN is in government even with a minority of votes.
I am not trying to distort history I am only stating a fact, Lawrence Gonzi does not have the majority of voters behind him and since January he does not have the majority of MPs.
With regards to your last sentence-since you don't know me personally you cannot comment on my personal self.

m. borg (slm)

Apr 8th 2012, 15:59

Had plenty of time to do so after 1987, stop being silly.

J. Mifsud

Apr 8th 2012, 15:32

I am still waithing for Lawrence Gonzi to appologize for the harships caused by his uncle.

m. borg (slm)

Apr 8th 2012, 16:00

...... u l-glieda bejn gonzi u franco,gonzi u JPO, gonzi u mugliette, gonzi u dalli, gonzi u EFA.

m. borg (slm)

Apr 8th 2012, 16:01

I agree, how about you opening an office for such meetings.

Mr Edward Caruana Galizia

Apr 8th 2012, 19:13

When on Earth did JM apologize? He keeps on calling those days the glory days of Malta.

A. Attard

Apr 8th 2012, 14:09

She is maltese so she is right where she needs to be, where she was born...have some respect man!

Mario J Spiteri

Apr 8th 2012, 15:39

As a maltese citizen she is persona grata!!!

Kieku ma kienx misierha - bit-tajjeb u l-hazin kollu kieku l-mizerja kienet tirrenja kif dejjem rieduna ta kontrih.

Pls note, that when the PN leader contest himself he said that he want to know & listen for the price high of gas & other utilities.
Without any problem he last Thursday when was announced a high rise in gas price he went to R|ome to enjoy a familiar holiday - well & good but to continue & 4 week holiday from parliament is incredible.

Dr. Gonzi is persona non grata as the country leader but not as a maltese citizen. That makes the difference.

Mario J Spiteri

Apr 8th 2012, 15:46

Sorry Mr. Angel Vella, the 1981 story every one knows that the provocation from the then PN leader that he & his deputies did not entered the parliament for 2 years! They where out to put the clear vision for Malta as the hell broke loose.

That's it & no Mintoff sent them to do that.

Matthew Micallef

Apr 8th 2012, 16:32

Really?? Comparing Gonzi to Neriku Mizzi?? The further you get from the founding fathers the further you get from their vision. How about you take America's vision of small government and protecting civil liberties and see where it lies now. Whatever vision dear Lawrence has for us, it sure as hell doesn't fallow the vision that our founders had. Same with Eddie, did a lot of good for our country until corruption started spewing out. Facts are facts, and government will always be corrupt so long as their is no threat to their seat. Strip away the power to remain in governance after a corruption scandal and you get the farce of a government we have nowadays, where ministers can pay their way out of ANY scandal. It just isn't fair on the people to call politicians gentlemen, they are businessmen, and like any businessman that found his company all well and built when he entered it, he has no idea of the sacrifices that had been made to build the thing from the ground up, and hence has no level of appreciation that can measure up to his predecessors. However, ultimately it all depends on how great of a man the person governing is, but unfortunately, that is a variable that is impossible to establish prior to governance.

m. borg (slm)

Apr 8th 2012, 16:04

What a silly question, it is not her opinion that counts but that of the party, which is against.

If Yana had any objections with that she would not have accepted to run for PL.

Emma Xerri

Apr 9th 2012, 06:54

What Ms. Mintoff can probably correctly deduce is that in Malta this issue is always one-sided and has never been properly discussed or debated. In Malta the woman is a non-entity in the abortion issue and the foetus is always paramount and the woman is always incidental and secondary. There has never been an objective attempt made at open and unbiased discussion. What we have instead are daily and systematic pronouncements and opinion pieces in newspapers and other media that frame the issue from one and only one perspective and from which naturally flow the pre-conceived and pre-digested conclusions that nobody dares to question.

m. borg (slm)

Apr 8th 2012, 16:05

Who sowed the seeds to kill Karen Grech?

Josef Borg

Apr 8th 2012, 15:03

Plots u djar b'xejn.

Penzjonijiet ghal kulhadd.

Children' allowance.

Edukazzjoni b'xejn.

Sahha b'xejn.

Sigurta socjali l-ghira tal-barranin.

Vot ghan-nisa.

Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

m. borg (slm)

Apr 8th 2012, 16:05

Yes but the nazzjonalisti prefer to forget that.

Peter Agius

Apr 8th 2012, 18:18

Int veru lanqas zejt m'ghandek f'wiccek.

pat muscat

Apr 8th 2012, 12:53

Your 'democratic PN' stayed in power for 3 legislatures- 1928 1930, 1962 -1966, and 1966-1971; it ruled over a 13 year period when the elections lacked the basic tenants of freedom, transparency and democracy because of the mortal sin, instigated by the PN first against Strickland and the great leader Paul Boffa, and then again in 1962-1966, 1966-1971against Mintoff and Labour families.

J. Mifsud

Apr 8th 2012, 15:19

Let me remind you that Gonzi is in power with a minority of votes, he totally ignored 3800 AD votes. Now he doesn't even have the majority in Parliament an is still clinging to power.

Henry Mifsud

Apr 8th 2012, 13:00

U x'ghamiltu ezatt?
Zrajtu mibeda li ghada f'certa qlub (bhal dik tieghek) sal- lum.

Jilaghbu kemm jilaghbu "musical chairs" bejn il-prim ministru u l-president (bhal per ezempju meta EFA biddel postu ma' Gonzi), dawn jafu ben car li qatt mhu ser jirnexxielhom jilhqu l-istatura politika li lahaq il-Perit Mintoff. U dan fi zmien fejn il-kommunikazzjoni kienet ghada primittiva. Immagina x'kien jaghmel illum!

Iva jidher car li nies bhalek ghadkom imwerwwa anke meta biss tisimghu ismu.

Mario J Spiteri

Apr 8th 2012, 15:56

Tghid mhux ser tigu intom u nies bhalkhom mimlijin mibgheda lejn min hu b'opinjoni ohra minn taghkhom!

Xi nghidu dwar dak id-dizordni kollu li kontu ghamiltu fit-80 ijiet harbattu pajjiz biex flok dhaltu fil-parlament hrigtu fuq bojkott ta sentejn imissdkom tisthu ghax setghet giet irrangata l-istorja mhux inholqot konfuzjoni bikhom!!!!!!!!

Kollox irrangajtu intom - cioe bil-paroli ghax faqar iboss ergajtu hloqtu ghax hekk thobbu intom nies jitkarrbu.

mark borg

Apr 8th 2012, 20:41

igdilna naqra ezatt x'ghamiltu Anglu ...
u nerga nghidlek MINTOFF WERWIRKHOM SA ILLUM U GABKHOM TITKELMU WAHEDKHOM .

ISSA NISTNNEW NARAW NAQRA X KIEN IR ROLE TIEGHEK FDAK IZ ZMIEN MOQZIES TA TIXWIX NAZZJONLIST ....

Ms Samantha Debono

Apr 8th 2012, 15:59

It's either paranoid delusions, or delusions of grandeur Ms. Galea..............

Mario Scicluna

Apr 8th 2012, 16:45

bil-hdura li ghandkhom, qisha pillola morra li ma tistaw QATT tnizzluwha fi grizmejkhom. Iva, KIEN, GHADU U JIBQA l-aktar politikant u gentlom li habb lil Malta. Tghidu x'tghidu, u tiggdbu kemm tifilfu u tghamlu terinati, xorta ser jibqa l-uniku simbolu ta' Malta HIELSA(mhux indipendenza farsa). Wish you could name me who's your Grand VIzier for you PN lackey apologists, your GonziPN I presume???? Keep going to the kitchens as your annointed one had said, whilst at it, hand over the Eu500 you stole each week!

m. borg (slm)

Apr 8th 2012, 16:15

No it is you who is accusing Labour/Mintoff so its your duty to supply the evidence.

How stupid can I get.

Richard Caruana

Apr 8th 2012, 12:05

100 percent agreed

J. Mifsud

Apr 8th 2012, 15:14

Antoine Vella you seem to be one of the few who are comfortable under the present regime - A regime which is making a few very rich at the expense of the majority of people. A regime which is taking Malta back to the situation of the 60s, where we had the workers without any rights while the governing class was very rich. An example of this situation is Gonzi giving himself and his cronies a salary rise of 500 euro weekly while the workers were given less than 2 euro.
At least they had the decency to remove the name of Christ from their political name - they are no longer saying they are DemoKristjani.

J. Mifsud

Apr 8th 2012, 15:08

Cha\rles Vella you are exagerating. If your father was beaten up by Labour thugs, others were beaten by PN thugs. My friend was terrorised in closing her shop on the 29th of June when EFA decided that all Malta had to go to Mellieha Bay, I was boycotted because I went to work, and my colleagues took the day off to go swimming the Eddie. Yes the 80s were they years of terror PN supporters were beaten by PL thugs, others who were not PN supporters were boycotted and beaten.
Let us not forget the murder of Karen Grech and the bombs on the doorstep of people who held important positions with the government, and behind the Sliema police station.
AS for Xandir Malta we have the same position now with PBS.

Ivan Grech Mintoff

Apr 8th 2012, 16:01

@Jimmy Magro.

I am ASTOUNDED (the again, come to think of it, not!) by such a comment from someone who was so close to the action at the time...)

- You know VERY well that there was only ONE person who could call for an election (the process which brought the Govt down at the time. And that was none other than AS. It was therefore AS only who put the Labour party back in opposition totally unnecessarily...


- You also know very well what people like Phil Noble, yourself and others where predicting via 'surveys' in 98.
(Even the most basic logical analysis showed that what your predictions where showing were WRONG! What LP echelons were trying to fool themselves with had NEVER been achieved when Labour was at its strongest, let alone in the state Labour was in after the introduction of the disastrous CET, the proposed, 'door' tax etc. in 96..)

- You also know VERY well the REAL reasons why AS kept insisting that he had no alternative but to call an election. You KNOW that he obstinately went against all advice and logic. Perhaps once and for all you should disclose the REAL reasons why that election was called rather than the excuse used and then we could let the people decide who the real traitors are/were and who are not...

Thankfully, it seems that that disastrous chapter that kept Labour on the back benches for so long, seems to be almost over. Another few steps and I'm sure that the real Labourites will be uttering a HUGE sigh of relief as the party is ably led "Back to Basics" and what it does best...

Jimmy Magro

Apr 8th 2012, 20:48

@ Ivan
I asked the question because I was so close as you yourself stated. I know what it means to win an election and the long hours that went through.
Whatever the sitation was at that time, a vote againt Labour was unwarranted especially from the Party ex-Leader.
You can take a lesson from the cuurent issue Franco Debono vs Lawrence Gonzi.
As for the real reason it is very clear: we did NOT want to serve as puppets as we have our honour to defend.

Ivan Grech Mintoff

Apr 9th 2012, 11:08

@ Jimmy Magro,

>Whatever the sitation was at that time, a vote againt Labour was unwarranted especially from the Party ex-Leader.

Let us just disagree (very much) on this point.

You and I know that there were many, many policies being branded about at the time that many felt to be totally against the very principles of the Party. (Shall we discuss CET, Fort St. Angelo and many other issues of the time?).You also know that there were many others who also wanted to vote against what AS was up to at that time and it was DM who stopped them doing so in parliament...

>You can take a lesson from the cuurent issue Franco Debono vs Lawrence Gonzi.

Absolutely.

Personally I think that FD is 100% correct.
I believe that he is the BEST asset that PN has right now and had he had the balls to carry out threat (based on SOLID principles) then the PN would already have started the much needed internal reform.

It would probably be a power to be reckoned with easily within 5 years rather than the probable 10-15 years its going to need to sort itself out!

I loved how he spoke in parliament and again I say what he said was correct.

Finally, I believe that PN are making exactly the same mistake that Labour did when Wenzu Mintoff/Toni Abela/etc spoke up in the 80's and when DM (and others) spoke out in the 90's.

I believe that today the LP (majoirity) admit that had LP listened to Wenzu & Toni Abela and Dom Mintoff, then Labour would have returned to power much earlier.

Instead with AS at the helm... well the rest is history, shall we say.


>As for the real reason it is very clear: we did NOT want to serve as puppets as we have our honour to defend.

You know that I have always spoken quite bluntly to you and without being double faced. I really think that this is not the place to discuss the type of honour you refer to..! Enough said.

Ironically, when at the time you (the leadership) had ALL the opportunity to discuss things democratically and reach the BEST solution, it chose to prevent one side of the coin from even talking (radio, newspapers etc). and thereby denying the REAL DECISION MAKERS (the DELEGATES) the right to hear both sides and then decide.

Honour? Please..

The ONLY good thing that is coming out of all this is that the party now has an opportunity to look back unemotionally and rid itself of people and policies that only brought harm to the Party.

I am sure that its time to go back to basics and get things right once more.

On a final note, I notice that you did not answer certain questions so let me put them in a more direct maner to you:

1) who at the time (and now) is the only person with the Constitutional right to call (and he did!) a general election unnecessarily?

2) Was the truly the only alternative that AS had? (do look at Franko Debono/GonziPN situation too. And
you are of course aware that the situation was not that bad.)

You were after all directly involved in certain negotiations which after they were agreed upon, one side decided to disregard and take the upper hand. You do remember for instance the extraordinary general meeting and the negotiations the day before(Saturday) that you were involved in, right?

3) Were there other burning issues at the time (St. Angelo, the next general budget etc) that were causing huge internal rifts. I for one hope the truth will come out sooner rather than later....

4) What were the polls at the time showing AS at the time? The one that Phil Noble, yourself etc were coming up with. How many seats (majority) were that predicting (this time, obviously without DM's votes)? Let's make it easier: a 1,3 or 5 seat majority?

And what was the actual result or taking that senseless and needless decision?

Yes to win an election takes MASSIVE effort by all. And then to go and throw it all away is so, so so reckless. No wonder of course conspiracy theorists have a field day when such things happen.

No wander therefore that the PN used to gloat that AS was their best asset!

Jimmy Magro

Apr 9th 2012, 20:21

@ Ivan Grech Mintoff

1. I understand that you have a conflict of interest in the debate.

2. What you wrote would make a weak case as it is based on perception rather than facts.

3. Every Government or political party has some form of conflict between the diverse factions of the organisation, as this is evident even today.

4. Whatever the cause of this dissent, the cases that a member of parlaiment has brought down his own government are very rare. Even under Mintoff there were members who expressed dissent in Parlaiment but never came to the point to vote against their own party.

5. I thank you for the interest in the matter and I will not take make another reply on this issue.

Ivan Grech Mintoff

Apr 10th 2012, 11:10

@Jimmy Magro

Your lack of answers to direct questions speak much louder than the list of suggestions that you make, yet you call my argument weak.

Fair enough. I rest my case too.

J Mizzi

Apr 8th 2012, 11:21

Mr Borg,

Before I answer to your comment I am a floater.

Now Mintoff literally beat the pn ... using brute force.
Why is everything so expensive for the new generations? - Because forty years ago Mintoff started giving off houses for cheap in the so called social housing!

Now today, as a very above average earner I still cannot pay my house in ten years because I need to take a loan. Mind you I save over 50% of my monthly salary!

That's what Mintoff brought.

GEORGE CUTAJAR

Apr 8th 2012, 11:39

Yes MArk Borg we still fear the name of Mintoff and anything or anyone who has any connection to him for the simple reason that we were on the receiving end of Mintoffian benevolence - for that read violence.

And yes you are very right Mintoff did 'beat' the PN - he did so in the true sense of the word using his infamous thugs and 'his' police force.

It was only through the wise leadership of Eddie Fenech Adami, Guido de Marco, Ugo MIfsud Bonnici, Censu Tabone and Louis Galea that the country was saved from a fully fledged dictatorship.

J. Mifsud

Apr 8th 2012, 14:59

J Mizzi - The labour government of the 70s and 80s removed hunger from Malta, it also encouraged the working class to buy their own houses by subcidizing their loans, and giving them a plot of land to build their houses on.
The PN government of the 90s did away with social housing and in the name of democracy and free trade, he let his friends the contractors to raIse the cost of houses, these persons became millionaires overnight and are still giving thousands of euros to the PN. These are the same persons who take ministers on their boats and private planes for a holiday.
You say your income is above avarage - well so is mine out of my salary I pay 30% in Income tax and 10% in social security. So an above avrage salary earner usually takes home about 70% of his salary. I don't have any morgage to pay. I live decently But I save nowhere near 50% of my monthly salary actually I wonder how you do it. This is what EFA brought people who exagerate to make a point.

J. Mifsud

Apr 8th 2012, 14:36

Yes Mr Aguis - another Mintoff is exactly what Malta needs. Of course if you are one of the few privalged who are making millions while workers are not even earning the minimum wage, you would be against anoher Mintoff. The rest of the nation needs anoher Mintoff.

Joseph Agius

Apr 8th 2012, 17:18

This is not the same man signing the above.
No, I did not like Mintoff's time in the late 70's and 80's; yet, I would be the last person to deny the fact that without Mintoff's intelligence and social policies today's Malta would still be a very sad place. The dark parts of a picture should not blind us to the white ones.

A.F. Busuttil

Apr 8th 2012, 11:03

Who can lecture about democracy?
Did Mintoff ever spent 5 months in Parlament without a vote? not even when he had one seat majority
Did the constitutional court ever found Mintoff of breach of human rights? they found Eddie more than twice.
Did Mintoff increased the wages of this team behind the Nations back, of who was afraid Gonzi to do this?

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