Updated: Seabank collapse - Missing worker found dead this morning
Updated Wednesday morning
The lifeless body of a 27-year-old Latvian construction worker has been found buried in the ruins of a nightclub and underlying carpark which collapsed at the Seabank Hotel in Ghadira Bay yesterday.
The grim discovery was made at 5.30 a.m. today by rescuers of the Civil Protection Department after his location was pinpointed by search and rescue dogs. There was never any sign of life.
Sources said that it is highly probably that the Latvian died with the collapse during which he sustained serious head injuries with which it was unlikely that he would have survived.
The man was found buried under five metres of compressed material. When the structure fell, it had a pancaking effect and rescuers had to cut through two levels of reinforced concrete to get to the victim.
Following the arrival of court experts, the body was recovered from the debris and taken to Mater Dei Hospital in a police hearse.
The concrete, steel and wood domed structure, which had been in the final stages of construction, collapsed at about 10.40 a.m. yesterday.
Chief Executive Arthur Gauci said the Latvian worker was one of two workers who were dismantling shuttering on the scene of the collapse.
The operation was a difficult one for the rescuers because the state of the structure posed the risk of further collapse, possibly endangering the rescuers. At one time a crane was used to lift a section of the collapsed structure, but parts of it fell back down.
The missing worker was found under tons of rubble in the remains of the underground car park, which appears to have collapsed first, bringing down the overlying nightclub.
The Seabank Hotel is currently closed and undergoing a major extension which will see it grow to 500 rooms, making it one of the biggest in Malta. It had been planned to reopen in May.
A number of workers who had been close to the site of the collapse appeared distraught and some had tears in their eyes. One of them said the collapse happened very suddenly.
"The whole thing just caved in from the centre," he said.
He said it was fortunate that the collapse had not brought down a large crane - one of four around the site - as the incident would have been far worse.
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Joe Xuereb
Mar 9th, 00:25
Now wouldn't it be nice if whoever owns this complex took it upon themselves to return this young man to his family in Latvia, and pay for his funeral. Failing that, the Church could help and, why not? a national collection for the gesture. Any extra cash would go to the family. It is a small price to pay for the loss of a son, working away from home(I imagine it is not nice losing a son who is far away from home. He may be 27 years old but to his mum he's still one of her babies; maybe the only one). Now THAT would be an R.I.P. worth something. And can we have his name please. Thank you. I want to remember him in my 'prayers' as someone who passed 'my way' but somehow, tragically, did not linger long enough.
Joe Grech
Mar 7th, 16:05
Who's accountable for this death?
Mario Camilleri
Mar 7th, 17:55
Refer to the experts below :-)
Ms maria bonnici
Mar 7th, 15:41
was it the mixing and making of the concrete that went bad, because after all it happened so quickly after it was built............... was it up to standards?
Ms maria bonnici
Mar 7th, 15:38
yes this man had and has a name................................not the Latvian, had it been maltese i am sure his name would be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what a tragic death for such a young man! rest in peace
Mr Brandon Pisani
Mar 7th, 20:33
In fact this worker has been named. One News reported yesterday that his name is Maksims Artamonous
Paul Borg
Mar 7th, 14:39
Such happenings always have very, very sad endings as a human life has perished. My sympathy with workers and the family.
But what has also been very sad before this happening is the loss of valuable land and valuable natural environment lost forever at Ghadira simply because we have a government that could not care less about the environment and is not able to block greedy permits. It is a real pity that people who normally brag about how much they love the natural environment (and the Mellieha environment) have not put their foot down solidly blocking whatever permits developers wanted to destroy once and forever whatever nature had developed in that area.
This brings to my mind another very, very sad happening at close by Selmun, also in Mellieha, where a purely agricultural environemnt was permanently ruined for ever simply to build a factory, a fish packaging factory! This was a disgrace that our posterity will have to suffer for ever in the furture simply because no one, no one, would refuse permission to developers to ruin the countryside at Selmun. Unfortunately there has been no one brave enough to stop bulldozers from ruining our garigues and our environment. Poor Mellieha. Poor Malta.
Paul P. Borg
S. Bonello
Mar 7th, 12:37
Do they know his name at least ghax hlief "The Latvian", "the Worker" "the man" this poor soul has still not been named.
RIP
Hope serious steps to improve safety are taken.
James Tyrrell
Mar 7th, 13:31
I would say this is out of respect for the man's family who deserve to be informed before the name appears in the press.
DR EMMANUEL BEZZINA,MA,MAG.JUR.[EU Law],LL.D.,
Mar 7th, 12:03
There you are WE THE PEOPLE have the first clue : a MAY 2012 DEADLINE, hence WE THE PEOPLE fathom out the pressure for the work to be finalised by that deadline as otherwise THE MONEY MATERIALISTIC MATTERS would have vented out their anger who knows at what price.................well there you have it, THE PRICE...........one man`s life lost, thousands of euros down the drain, insurance squabbling, so many passing the bucket of responsibility down the line, the encircled circle involved all doing the shush signs and with their eyes apportioning the percentage of blame around the circle but this not to be witnessed by the outside world, the outer farce takes place in accordance with the law and regulations including the autopsy of this singled worker [ Divine Blessings on his Spirit ] ...........and soon afterwards, all be silenced until eventually THE WORLD of glitz on the eve of a General Election will see the ribbon-cutting and blessings ceremony on yet another grand opening of yet another project entrusted to the gluttonous Encircled Cirle!! May this brother worker rest in peace.
Victor Rodenas
Mar 7th, 17:19
It would have been much worse if the building collapsed after it was ready,with hundreds of people dancing and jumping around.
Astrid Vella
Mar 7th, 11:58
Our hearts go out to the Latvian worker and his family at this terrible news.
One can only hope that this fatality, which comes after a whole series of injuries and fatalities on construction sites these last few months, will finally lead the Authorities, and especially the MRRA to seriously review their building regulations and enforcement, which are obviously out of date with today's far more ambitious projects.
The Authorities need to finally admit that the assessment of safety of project needs to be included in MEPA's processing of permits. If MEPA has the remit to look into relatively more trivial matters like the colour of buildings and the finish of balconies, it is scandalous that the Authorities have not taken the safety of human lives into consideration years ago.
OHSA needs to be beefed up and given real teeth. I know that it can hardly cope with its present workload, hence the number of incidents on construction sites. Where is enforcement? Where are the penalties? This is not to mention the total disregard for the safety of neighbours or passers-by which is not the remit of OHSA, so, yet again, the buck is passed.
The authorities' failure to address these shortcomings reinforces the perception that the governments of the last two decades care more for the interests of the large developers than for protecting human lives.
I know that it will be said that given such a tragedy this is not the time to be raising such issues, but I beg to differ. If questions are not raised and issues addressed at such a time, when will they be? We owe it to this poor Latvian, his colleagues and indeed workers and residents all over Malta to take his death as the catalyst to finally bring about real change in regulating the sector so that he may be the last such fatality for a long time.
Carmen J. Borg
Mar 7th, 11:54
This is nothing yet. Wait for it. It will one day surely happen. Why not?
A tragic accident has just happened and a foreigner died. We are all sorry but for how long? Soon we'll be reading other stories involving other deaths. How careful are workers when working like blind folded people on buildings without understanding what and why they are doing in the first place/
Yes, I visualize a tragic multi-storey collapse. Has any body noticed to cite one example that the new Parliament Building, in Valletta, has a steel structure. Has anyone tried to find out if any safety precautions are undertaken to give enough time for the people to evacuate the building in the event of fire? I doubt it. There are buildings in Valletta that I fear - really fear- to enter. In Malta, people never think that these things happen everywhere even in 'Blessed Buildings'.
Someone commented much earlier that MEPA ought to involve itself in examining the specification for the proposed buildings. It is not part of the Town Planning Law, so MEPA could claim clean hands. Well it's time the Law was amended for this to happen and sooner than later. It is done in serious countries so why not here?
Aaron Freiberg
Mar 7th, 10:56
Here's one more that I missed:
"An 18 year old construction worker from Mosta was injured early yesterday afternoon when he fell a height of about two storeys at a construction site in Birkirkara."
john aguis
Mar 7th, 12:58
Safety and Malta........don't think so!!!!
Chris Calleja
Mar 7th, 10:56
Why Police and Investigators assessing the damage are not even wearing the basic Health and Safety Equipment, namely a helmet and high visibility vests. On all construction site this measure is imperative to be followed, even more on a site where the level of risk is above normal, as this case following such accident and keeping in mind that there may still have been other dangers in the zone.
These people are expected to lead by example ......... they surely did!
Aaron Freiberg
Mar 7th, 10:40
This is a repeating trend in Malta. I searched Google for "worker
injured in fall". Here's what I got:
"A 57 year-old worker was seriously injured in a fall while on a
building site in Triq Kepler, Qortin, limits of Mellieha."
"A 54-year old construction worker from Mosta died after falling a
height of three storeys. The accident happened in the early morning at
Triq Bir ir-Riebu in Rabat."
"A construction worker has died after falling five storeys at the
building site of the Malta International Airport's Skyparks business
centre."
"A man in his early forties from Tarxien was yesterday taken to
hospital after he fell off a roof while carrying out construction
work."
"The man, a 33-year-old foreigner fell from the ladder of a fixed
crane, which he was climbing. The accident happened in Burmarrad Road,
Burmarrad"
"A 41 year-old construction worker was injured in a fall on a
construction site this morning. The incident happened inside a factory
within the San Gwann Industrial Estate"
"Two young workmen were seriously injured yesterday, after falling
down a shaft at a construction site in Qawra."
"A 59-year-old construction worker from Siġġiewi died tragically
yesterday when he was hit by a load which plummeted from a tower crane
after the steel lifting rope failed and snapped."
"A 63-year old man from Vittoriosa was critically injured today after
falling the height of one storey in a private residence in
Vittoriosa."
"A 21-year old from Nigeria is in danger of dying after he fell in a
shaft in St Paul’s Bay."
Need I say more?
David Smith
Mar 7th, 13:04
And your point is?? According to the NSO in Malta, just under 3000 accidents happen at work every year. Are you going to list them all? I assume that you are German. If that is the case, and according to DGUV, the rate of accidents at work in Germany was of 26.8 per 1000 employees. In Malta, it is 21!!
Need I say more?
Joe Grech
Mar 7th, 17:06
Well done....you certainly drove the message home: that this administration, this Prime Minister and Cabinet especially just do not care about the safety of people. How about Chris Said doing something about THAT....before other fatalities occur.
carmel cassar
Mar 7th, 10:39
The word accident is very rearly used right, most of the time it is mixed the word negligence.Do not get me wrong, please. I am not pointing finger to the workers, but, it can come from all those involved,in putting up the project. In my 60years of working experience, I have never met a clear cut accident.
john aguis
Mar 7th, 13:00
Yes, it is called MALTA!!!!!!!!!
Manuel Camilleri
Mar 7th, 10:20
RIP. Let us hope that those responsible for this tragedy and loss of life are brought to justice.
Ann Vella
Mar 7th, 10:07
Some solid foundation?!
J. Tanti
Mar 7th, 10:00
May this poor man rest in peace.
Heartfelt condolences to his family and friends.
Mr ALBERT LEONE GANADO
Mar 7th, 09:39
A proper investigation is called for. My intelligent guess is that sea water seepage wreaked havoc and sudden subsidence on the structural stability of the ground beneath the construction. I remember not so long ago facing a sudden two foot drop while driving to cirkewwa when the road opposite the building suddenly subsided.
Carmel (Nenu) Aquilina
Mar 7th, 09:17
Il-Mulej bierek lill dan il-ħaddiem martri, u għatieħ il-premju tas-sema, sabbar u bierek lil-familjari tiegħu u lill-ħaddiema kollha!
Sinjuri,
Għandna bżonn inkunu daqshekk prużuntużi u nibdew nfajru bl-addoċ kull ma jiġina f'moħħna' u f'ħalqna?
Għandu jkollna qalb, u daqsxejn rispett lejn kull minn kien involut fuq dan il-proġett?
Jien ma għandi l-ebda iċkenn dubju li fuq kull post tax-xogħol, l-ewwell ħaġa li kullħadd jipprova jagħmel ħiltu, hi, li ma jweġġa ħadd!
Mela il-periti u l-kuntratturi ma humiex ħaddiema wkoll li qed jaħdmu għall-familja?
Possibli ħadd minnkom li qed tipparteċipaw fuq dan il-blog qatt ma żbalja, u wara għedtu, ara x'waħda għamilt illum, kemm jien baħnan, kelli xorti li ma weġġajtx, jew miet?
Dawn inċidenti jiġru kullimkiek u fuq kull post tax-xogħol fid-dinja kollha, mhux Malta biss!
Anzi jien ngħid li l-Banbien veru jinsab magħna, li ma jiġrux ħafna iżjed inċidenti, f'din id-dinja tant mgħaġla ta'progress!
Ejjew mela ħbieb nibdew inkunu ftit prudenti u nibdew inġibu ftit rispett lejn l-inteliġenza tagħna nfusna, u mhux ngħidu u niktbu l-ħmerijiet, li fuq kollox ma jagħmlu l-ebda ġid lill-ħadd, anzi ħlief ħsara ma jagħmlux!
Ejjew ma nħaltux l-affarijiet, u nkunu rġiel u nisa inteliġenti ta' veru
Ejjew inħallu lill-awtoritajjiet kompetenti Maltin jagħmlu xogħolhom sewwa kif dejjem għamlu bl-akbar għaqal u proffesjonalita, u fuq kollox skond il-liġijiet ta'Malta.
Nawgura lill kull ħaddiem Malti u Għawdxi biex joqgħod dejjem ħsiebu hemm, u jieħu ħsieb ukoll lill sħabu l-ħaddiema!
Angie Schembri
Mar 7th, 09:07
Condolences to the family!!
Imagine if it were operating with clients in the night club and cars in the parking.....
WAS IT MADE OF LEGO?????????????????
P Pace Balzan
Mar 7th, 09:17
No - it is clearly not made of lego, however
the construction site is at sea level and it is built in a valley full of underground water streams.
The valley structure should never have been touched and pillions should have been placed deep down all over the foundations.
Omar Mizzi
Mar 7th, 09:00
So many allegations. This is a permitted development. Somewhere something went wrong, the structure, the calculations, curing; it may be anything. Entities are not on site everyday, so all the comments on these institutions are without any basis.
Ivan Calleja
Mar 7th, 13:44
Yes of course permitted Mr. Mizzi. What you didn't say it should have never been permitted as it goes against lots of MEPA policies and regulations!!
kenny greenan
Mar 7th, 08:59
HEALTH & SAFETY DO NOT EXIST IN MALTA.
I am surprised it was only one poor victim.
I drove past the Seabank a few months ago & saw a workman standing on a top floor balcony, no barrier, no harness, with a huge hydraulic concrete breaker, breaking up the very concrete he was standing on!
Just like the abysmal driving habits,
MALTA NEEDS DRAGGED INTO THE 21ST CENTURY BEFORE MORE NEEDLESS "ACCIDENTS"
Kenny Greenan Edinburgh & Mellieha
Joseph bartolo
Mar 7th, 11:12
Kenny ..... why dont you go back to edingburgh where its safer then ??
Jesmond Chetcuti
Mar 7th, 12:07
Joseph...what Kenny is saying is the truth, people in Malta prefer to close ,not one but both eyes ,aslong as money is saved. The cause of this incident could be blamed on many things: wrong type of concrete specified, wrong type and amount of reinforcement, early loading of the concrete slab, early strip of the shuttering, and most of all ,good building practicies,it doesnt matter if architects and engineers specifiy and design detail drawings, its up to the people on site to see that the construction is accordingly. On jobs of this size you expect that a `quality system` is in place and every stage of construction is being certified that is done as per the drawings and specifications. Its an important process that takes time and COST money, if these quality checks has been skipped or tampered, than God help who was responsable, cause he/she will have a human life on their conscience.
RIP fellow worker...
Emma Xerri
Mar 8th, 22:45
@Joseph Bartolo
Why get upset at constructive crticism?
M. Attard
Mar 7th, 08:33
Feeling sorry for this accident especially for the death person. Buildings can be constructed again at a price, but lives are priceless. I think his name should have been published as its not nice to refer to him just by his nationality.
Franco Farrugia
Mar 7th, 09:03
Probably waiting for his relatives to be informed, don't you think?
Joseph Ellul
Mar 7th, 08:24
I am so sad that such disasters are happening all over the world. I am saddened that a fellow construction worker died due to structural failure. It was only a matter of time that this would happen in Malta. The writing was on the wall. Now that some people are in court on charges of corruption in government contracts, how many people could be involved in corruption in civil construction ? It is a matter for the civil building code to establish rules and regulations according to world standards in concrete reinforcement and cement content. This is apart from other rules like the country of origin of materials. For example in the US, steel reinforcment from China has been denied due to suspected low strength. Also, cement has a use by date and must not be used if found to have a high humidity content.
I hope that an indipendent engineer who knows his job will be appointed to investigate without interferance from interested parties.
Censu Filgolli
Mar 7th, 08:21
RIP to the poor fellow, and condolences to his family...
Brian Fenech
Mar 7th, 08:12
Don't you people have a heart? Can't you people be more sensible? Don't you consider that a person lost his life? Do we have to jump on conclusions, blaming this, blaming that, pointing our fingers at whoever in your empty minds think is responsible? Are you all architects, health & safety officials, Mepa officials?? GET A LIFE!!!!!
Franco Farrugia
Mar 7th, 09:08
I haven't read the comments that you are referring to but in my opinion, the very fact that 'a person lost his life' is enough to provoke serious questions as to the possible responsibility lying somewhere, anywhere. You see, in Malta, we are so used to having people NOT assuming any kind of responsibility. Abroad, things are different. Abroad, heads roll and how.
Charles Muscat
Mar 7th, 09:15
Regardless of what one writes cannot bring back his life, after all many
writers are after his family for the loss of their loved one. I have no idea what you're on about.
Deo Catania
Mar 7th, 09:38
Brian Fenech- ghidilna int ghala bini gdid waqa mela ghax qisek bravu hafna.
Charles Mangion
Mar 7th, 08:10
Are the poor workers Insured are they given the proper safety equipment? What about the foreign workers getting the right wages? these are question to be answered is there a health and safety manager full time on a progect that size with some 700 workers at one time? who is going to take the responability for all this?
GEORGE CUTAJAR
Mar 7th, 08:05
This was a tragic accident pure and simple.A life has been lost and various inquiries are on hand and we should let them take their course. It is of no use to blame MEPA, the contractor, the owner and whoever. The facts need to be established and it would be better if, at this stage, everybody keeps his opinion to himself.
Joe Julian Farrugia
Mar 7th, 08:01
Se jigri bhas-soltu? Ma hu responsabbli hadd?
Jekk dan pajjiz serju, xi hadd ghandu jerfa' r-responsabbilta ta' qtil involontarju.
Min mhux kapaci m'ghandux jaghmel esperimenti fuq hajjet in-nies.
BTW. il-bierah kienet IN BAD TASTE li waqt l-ahbarijiet intqal li issa l-progett se jaqa' lura... JAQA' LURA! SO WHAT? Tafu li miet bniedem? Tafu li setghu mietu aktar? Il-progett importanti aktar minn hajja jew mewt? Imbaghad jigi xi pampalun jghid li dan poplu li jghozz il-valuri!!!
P. Ciantar
Mar 7th, 07:25
what a tragedy and who is responsible for all this ????
R Saliba
Mar 7th, 07:54
does there have to be someone responsible whenever a tragedy happens?? It just happened...
Lawrence Fenech
Mar 7th, 08:17
@P. Cutajar.
You are right, there always is.
Carmel Cilia
Mar 7th, 08:51
@R Saliba If an earthquake happens it is just a natural tragedy but when a building collapses it idoes not just happen. Yes someone somewhere did something wrong that person/persons has/have to shoulder responsability. It is just convenient to say it just happened: tell that the victim's family. Also I do not want to point a finger at anyone but I am realising that if a natural disaster happens we are totally unprepared no matter what our a\uthorities say: by the way then also most probably nobody would be held responsible.
B. Storace
Mar 7th, 09:03
Accidents do happen MR. SALIBA but there is always an underlying reason such as carelessness, driving too fast, taking a risk, lack of knowledge, etc, etc.....otherwise it would be called an unfortunate miracle
Deo Catania
Mar 7th, 09:41
R Saliba int taf x'qed tghid?
sharon camilleri
Mar 7th, 10:37
R saliba.... min jaf kieku kien jigi minnhek x'kont tghid?
P. Ciantar
Mar 7th, 14:34
I do not have to reply to R Saliba comment .... all the previous comments said it all
Milos Zboril
Mar 7th, 07:17
I was deeply saddened to hear about the death of this worker... God with you
R. Caruana
Mar 7th, 06:49
Hemm bzonn illi x-xoghlijiet li jsiru mill-kuntratturi jigu spezzjonati sew mill-periti kemm f'hotels, binjiet ta' appartamenti u kull tender li jiehdu. Nittama li kull binja ohra f'Malta tinbena bil-galbu ghax eluf ta' nies jistghu jkunu fil-periklu.
marco caruana
Mar 7th, 08:06
naqbel mieghek habib , hawn Malta kulhadd jaqbad iwaqqa bl addocc u jerga jibni , kulhadd gej ihaffer bil jackhammers magenb residenzi u issa moda gdida ntellghu 'l penthouses bla hadd ma jaghmel assessment tal bini tal madwar .
Jason Falzon
Mar 7th, 06:40
Some two weeks ago I was watching tv and up came a VERY old, guess 1920s Laurel and Hardy silent movie. It was obviously very funny, as they were perched on iron beams of a huge skyscraper construction work. Tha backdrop was the city to give the illusion of the height. But then I realised that they were depicting exactly how they used to do things back then and how very similar we do things now in 2012, almost a century later.
Recently a worker died in a huge construction near the airport. I pass from there frequently and a couple of days ago, I saw another worker walking one of the very top platforms without a harness.
H&S need to wake up on the double and smell the coffee. H&S are years behind compared to the scale of constructions we are doing.
And I'd better not start on MEPA, as I'd consume the keyboard.
Mr John Borg
Mar 6th, 23:09
It might not necessarily be the architect's fault, for several reasons such as:
1. The structure might have become unstable due to the heavy rainfall which maybe did not give it sufficient time to set.
2. Architect's orders for a specific grade of concrete might have been disregarded in order to save on costs
3. The structure might not have dried sufficiently prior to dismantling the shuttering.
So before we go about pointing fingers, please try and stop being experts on everything.
B. Storace
Mar 7th, 09:07
But irrespective of how it happened it definitely points to human error......but who??????
Alan Attard
Mar 7th, 19:57
@Mr. Borg,
You indicated several points which in your opinion exhonorates the responsible architect. With your same reasoning, you are pointing fingers at others and arriving at conclusions which are attributed to other human beings.
Your peurile excuse to exhonorate the architect because of heavy rainfall is pathethic - as if it nevers rains!
A word from the Gospel
Therefore, everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on rock.
Rain came down, floods rose, gales blew and hurled themselves against that house, and it did not fall: it was founded on rock.
But everyone who listens to these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a stupid man who built his house on sand.
Rain came down, floods rose, gales blew and struck that house, and it fell; and what a fall it had!'
DR EMMANUEL BEZZINA,MA,MAG.JUR.[EU Law],LL.D.,
Mar 6th, 23:00
NO FINGERS BEING POINTED: will WE THE PUIBLIC be ever formally informed as to how this could have possibly occurred when so much land was taken to construct quickly a project for the proverbial intake of plenty-a-buck but apparently without certain attention as to the crucial factors of safety , stability and security.
Who will assume responsibility now or will we have OMERTA` very much in action - politics is equally being mentioned as having played BIG in this doomed project. THE PEOPLE must know - as a contributor pin pointed THANK DIVINITY that this obviously negligent and abusive undertaking collapsed now before then where TRAGEDY would have been TERRIFYING..............
AN EXPLAINATION PLEASE................................????????????????????
Michael Tabone
Mar 6th, 21:39
A collapse like that is unacceptable!
In Civil Engineering today, such incidents must never be allowed to happen. Who is responsible, what previous work have they been involved in and how they were able to get their positions must be investigated.
In a developed country like Malta, such incidents should never be allowed to occur. Civil Engineering is a respectable & mastered profession where mistakes in this day and age are unacceptable.
Steve Sant
Mar 6th, 20:14
I have two questions to ask the Architect;
1. How safe is the rest of the building?
2. Imagine the Hotel had opened to the public and collapsed then ?. Who would have been responsible?.
Dee Williams
Mar 6th, 20:51
@ Steve Sant... I totally agree with you on both points. Also it's only a few weeks till Easter maybe the workers have a target to reach in time for opening....... Hope the dogs find the trapped man and he's ok. If this kind of accident happened in UK the building work would be stopped by Health And Safety until they find the cause of the problem. Come on Malta.... This is supposedly E.U. I pass this way most days as i live in Mellieha and often see the workmen standing on the balconies plastering.... Very Safe i must say!!!!!!!
Clint Cassar
Mar 6th, 21:39
Perfectly said Mr. Sant.
Saying this I would say another thing related to new property.. when you buy a car you want it to be just perfect, right? ... when you buy a new property it would probably be the most expensive thing that you ever buy in your life... so you want it to be more than just perfect.
However unfortunately I must say that it is more probable that your car is 100% perfect than your new property.
The majority of new buildings are not like old buildings, today its just business, money, and more money... the contractor is paid and that's it.. the contractor gets a lump some of money and you'll have all your life paying a loan. ("ahdem ja Gahan Malti").
So since this is called BUSINESS, the contractor is not going to care about the quality of the building, materials used, weatherproofing, insulation, etc... the cheaper the better (more profit in wallet).
So lets get to the point... How safe are all the new buildings? What would happen if these collapse? Who is responsible? What about the 10 year guarantee for new buildings? (I think its 10 years)..
The guarantee is all nonsense. Speaking from experience, I have a new property, I had problems, I have more problems.. but you have a choice... you either fork out money to a lawyer, sending letters, wasting time & money, etc.. and maybe one day you'll win your case (but there's no guarantee.. even if you're right.. cause its Malta)... or else just do the work yourself since it probably will cost you the same!
Of course I am not saying that all contractors are the same definitely, and as I said I am only speaking from my experience.
Ivan Calleja
Mar 6th, 20:07
First of all i really wish that the worker trapped beneath the rubble is found and alive!! Secondly i wanted to point out that this extension is simply monstrous!! I was shocked when i passed in front of it last week and saw the huge extension and visual pollution such a development was going to create in an area where the built environment should be kept at a minimum!!
Mrs Mary Fisher
Mar 6th, 20:23
COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE IVAN. THE BEAUTY OF MELLIEHA BAY HAS BEEN SPOILT COMPLETELY BY THIS MONSTROSITY. WHO ON EARTH SANCTIONED SUCH A HUGE PROJECT?
Astrid Vella
Mar 6th, 20:40
This project violated no less than SIX pages of MEPA regulations.
Astrid Vella
Mar 6th, 21:04
Ivan and Mary, are you sitting down? I just checked the MEPA website. The Seabank hotel have actually applied to expand the monster:
PA/04689/10; Seabank Hotel & Adjacent Site, Triq Il-Marfa, Mellieha, Malta
Description of works: Additions and alterations to approved PA 0720/05, internal alterations and EXTENSION of existing Seabank Hotel and ancillary facilities with underlying car park.
R. Saliba
Mar 6th, 22:46
A man is buried in this tragedy, and Astrid comments about permits. Have you no heart?
Mr John Borg
Mar 6th, 23:12
A clear case of lack of social responsibility and sustainable development.
Bye bye environment, bye bye natural habitats. Sadly what has been lost now, can never be returned to its natural beauty.
Ivan Calleja
Mar 6th, 23:20
We have reached the very bottom in this country where illegal development and corrupt issuing of building permits is concerned!! I really really wish that MEPA is simply flattened out, sooner rather than later, because its a huge shame to this country!! The applications that stink have become simply too much now and the authorities are acting as if this was the order of the day! What do you call this if not blatant corruption?
O GALEA
Mar 7th, 10:13
@ R.SALIBA.... it is EXACTLY BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE A HEART... that Astrid is mentioning this development.
Certain developers do not give a crap about the health and safety of workers so long as the monster is fed and growing.
Ivan Calleja
Mar 7th, 13:54
Get a life Saliba.....if only you had 1% of Astrid's social and environmental responsibility that would make you a great man!
Giovanni Rizzo
Mar 6th, 19:03
JISTA JKUN FORSI L-PEDAMENTI MA HUMIEX DAQS HEKK SODI PERESS LI L-BAHAR QIEGHED TANT VICIN?
Ms maria bonnici
Mar 6th, 18:41
what a terrible tragedy, hope all the work was all up to standard...........................................
Peter Galea
Mar 6th, 18:27
partit wiehed biss ghandna li jhobb u jiggieled ghal ambjent. bis-serjeta bla ebda irbit ma hadd u l-ebda interess personali jew li jogbu lil xi hadd Inutli toqghod tibku il qerda tal ftit raba li fadlilna.
ivvutaw lil Alternattiva demokratika.
D Borg
Mar 6th, 21:09
well said
Alfred Cassar
Mar 6th, 21:30
Tal-misthija Mr Galea, mhux ahjar tghid talba zghira ghal dan il-povru haddiem, minflok taghmel talba ghall-voti. Shame
Ivan Calleja
Mar 6th, 23:24
Maybe you are right Mr. Galea but unfortunately AD is doing very little to get the attention needed!! some people ask if AD is still alive and rightly enough since they are seldom given any coverage. Im not downgrading the party because its ideals are good but it needs lots and lots of exposure otherwise it will never make it!
Franco Buttigieg
Mar 6th, 18:26
One should not be pointing fingers at the different central Authorities, this unfortunate accident is not the result of a building permit or of some unsafe work practice by site workers, to me it looks more like a structural defect or a lack of proper ground investigation.
The responsibility would lie on that person or organization who would have taken on the obligation through contractual agreements to make sure that the building works are carried out according to good practice, there would be a line of people involved and the buck will stop on that person or organization according to what caused the structural collapse be it negligence or quality of materials or workforce.
At this point all one should do is hope that the people on site are all counted for and that their health is given the upmost attention, then later the law will handle who’s tort it was that brought about such an unpleasant accident.
Joseph Calleja
Mar 6th, 18:47
I agree with you 100%. The problem is that a lot of times, things like this manage to get swept under the carpet. Like everything else does in Malta. People seem to forget very quickly and everything is carried out like nothing ever happened. Business as usual. Maybe that is why people are showing so much frustration?
Freda Harris
Mar 6th, 19:21
Whilst I agree with you over the matters of permit and working practice I have to state that experience has shown bad practice by both developers, contractors and sub contractors resulting in poor quality construction which does little to attract purchasers to Malta. Now that the halcyon days of "buy on plan" are largely over the time has come to concentrate on such issues as proper planning, staff training and customer satisfaction in order to create a better construction industry and best avoid similar problems.
Paolo Bugeja
Mar 6th, 22:57
@ Franco Buttigieg. Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on this point. Did you know that CE marking is well included in the maltese legislation (because it is mandatory by EU Law) but not implemented because authorities have no clue how to do it or decide not implement it. Do you have any idea why the Building Eurocodes are a mirage far from our shores? Can anyone justify why it is not mandatory to know what is underneath your foundations before building when it is done EVERYWHERE? Geotechnical Investigations are left totally at the discretion of the owner. In other European Country that is deemed negligence and considered a criminal offence. These are not opinions but facts. Blame should not fall on the contractors, developers or architect, as anyone in their shoes would adopt the local proceeds. After all, almost no one wore a seatbelt before the police started issuing fines!
Lianne Mifsud
Mar 6th, 18:18
Bhal ma jghidu kultant kull deni hudu b gid ghaliex Alla hares qatt dan il bini waqa meta kien qed jiffunzjona ara xi tragedja kienet issir.J alla dik il persuna li hemm mirduma tinstab hajja.
Andrew Abela
Mar 6th, 17:54
'Sar il miraklu tal konkrit. ihokku
ghoddhom mas-shab id-djar ta'go l'ibliet;
qsari fit-twieqi, daghwa kontra s-seher
ta'linji dritti jigru paralleli.
Kaxxa hdejn kaxxa, saret kaxxa kbira
irqiqa w twila rhanzzgha mill-frughat
ta'xogh'l mahdum bl'iskarpellin waqt holma
ta'frott u ward u angli zghar jittajru.
sar il miraklu tal konkrit. Kemm sahha
jahbu il hitan misluta helu helu,
u s-soqfa bicca wahda bla xejn travi,
bi xbieki tal-hadid, jifilhu d-dinja!
u tithak, tithak, tara qed tintagar
il-gebla bajda krema ser tinqasam
biex issir djar botnin bla sens ta'figer
-qirda tas-sahha mbierka tal bennejja'
sar il-miraklu tal-konkrit. il gebla
tithalla biss biex tifred ftit ghelieqi
b'hitan imbewqa tas sejjieh li jaghzlu
pulzier min iehor ta hamrija ghajjiena
minkejja dan, it trejqa tal mistrieh
bejn zewg hitan titkennen tas sejjieh'
Marjanu vella: 'Hitan tas-sejjieh'
Joseph Calleja
Mar 6th, 18:41
Finally somebody who makes a lot of sense? Hellooooooo, anybody home?
Steve Zammit
Mar 6th, 21:59
I studied this for my maltese o level...one of my favourite poems
but whats the point?? we teach our children and then the bug guys do the opposite....they couldn't care less
R. Caruana
Mar 7th, 06:53
Sfortunatament Malta saret kollha kaxxa hdejn kaxxa, gzira mimlija konkrit abjad li jinqasam maz-zmien u jibdew jixirfu l-problemi fl-istrutturar tal-bini.
Noel Damato
Mar 6th, 17:53
People under debris can also mean the multi storey builds and multi storey car parks where loads of people are using such now a days. Does these scenarios look like earthquake. Surely we tend to have more drownings but such equipment bought for deep sea will not be used for drowning in some tens of metres. Imagine such incident happens in night life areas. Sure people will drown under debris
John Dee
Mar 6th, 17:31
Does the health and safety authority authority here even know the work is in progress, and if so what steps have they been taking to protect against such an incident?
Philip Bonello
Mar 6th, 19:24
Why is it that the H&S Authority never prosecutes anyone? On almost all of these big construction sites somebody dies or gets grievously hurt. And yet it seems that no one in particular is responsible for these deaths. Life has become a commodity which we can throw away as long as we reach our goals.
Johann Aquilina
Mar 6th, 22:04
just for your information just this year there is a new Legal Notice regarding fines to issue who break the law. Till now it wasn't an issue of H&S but construction issues. So if you don't know the law shut up like I am going to do because I am not competent like you.....
Peter Murray
Mar 6th, 17:26
The Sea Bank hotel is only closed for guests staying in the rooms as inexplicably the Leisure Centre complete with bars ,childrens games rooms and eateries is open for business -but lord knows how or why given the state and condition of the surrounding area.
Sandro Camilleri
Mar 6th, 18:54
that's exactly my point!!!! if you see my comment below!!!!
Mrs Mary Fisher
Mar 6th, 20:32
I WOULD SAY THAT THE ONLY REASON IN BLIND GREED!
Noel Damato
Mar 6th, 17:05
imagine in an earthquake how prepared the Civil Protection is... Thousands of euro to buy new dogs ...takes around 5hrs to maybe locate one person. Maybe the newly both divers equipment round 100 thousand euro can locate . But the Civil Protection personnel will be given second hand personal protective equipment bought from UK Imagine searching for thousands of people under debris.
William Calleja
Mar 6th, 17:21
Its hard to make an earthquake argument on this island since a catastropic earthquake has yet to happen. There's a strict tendency that people tend to drown more than get covered in earthquake debris.
Alfred Bugeja
Mar 6th, 17:26
No country can handle the effects of an earthquake alone. That is precisely why the European Union sponsors USAR exercises involving different teams coming from various countries.
Besides, only one team of rescuers can work on a site at any time on 8-hour shifts as standard. I would expect the relief team to change those who have been on the site since this morning in the coming hours.
Matthew Montebello
Mar 6th, 17:29
... and your point is?
How about a constructive comment?
Emanuel Muscat
Mar 6th, 17:30
We will all be dead ,anyway:probably you will be the only one searching!
Wally Vella-Zarb
Mar 6th, 17:42
What a load of nonsense!
Bernard J Schranz
Mar 6th, 19:36
In what capacity do you make such a statement Mr. Damato?
The only obvious conclusion one gets from your comment is not related in any way to how this accident could have happened, what steps should be taken to avoid a similar occurrence or the wellbeing of the people involved including that of the missing worker but that you have something personal for the Director, whoever he is really cos I do not even know him.
The CPD has been offereing a sterling service to the Maltese public for years on end, its volunteers risking life and limb to assist others, many times with great peril to their own lives.
Comments like yours are utterly insensitive and insensible particularly at this time when a human life is at stake. Perhaps if you had to give a thought to this reality, then it might have been better... at least it would have been slightly constructive.
K. Vella II
Mar 7th, 01:06
Well, to be fair, if a disaster of such magnitude were to happen, we'd all be gone in one full swoop. I'd also imagine the Italian rescue corps would have already taken to their helicopters and started their way to Malta. This is how these things work.
Noel Damato
Mar 7th, 07:27
Mr Schranz - Ask full timers and volunteers about their Personal protective equipment? These people risk their lives with SECOND hand equipment to save other peoples lives as you well said. But who will protect these people.
alfred seguna
Mar 6th, 17:05
I think we have a health and safety authority in Malta but I don't think there are enough inspectors to supervise at least the so many construction sites all over the Island.I think also that construction sites should also have a health and safety inspector on site.I think we risk to much and we take everything for granted.May I ask if we take Mater Dei Hospital were there ever practiced any safety drills?Also in other hospitals were there any risk assessments done.What about government departments and hotels,shipyards and factories?I think we take everything for granted and things most of the time remain on paper.
Anthony Spiteri
Mar 6th, 17:40
Besides the Health & Safety Authority mentioned, we have loads of 'Authorities' in Malta. The QUESTION is - 'Do any of them do anything useful? Take the Transport Authority - just look at our roads repair and construction programme. They take ages to start a job and even more to finish it. Just look at the rediculous speed limits on our roads - 35 km/h on the main road to Rabat. Yes a Shetland pony in front of my car was actually going faster. The Regional Road - a main artery with a 45 km/h speed limit. This is just one of our 'Authorities' who actually hinder instead of create and are costing us citizens Millions. And what about public transport. The guy who ruined the transport system got hundreds of thousands and although supposedly reorganised, it's still a shambles and with rediculous routes. This is just one 'Authority' that the country would be better off without. Secondary school students can definitely do a better job.
anthony bartolo
Mar 6th, 23:42
Loads of distractive nonsense with the same political touch.
Sandro Camilleri
Mar 6th, 17:04
The Seabank Hotel is currently closed and undergoing a major extension.
I question this statement since last December the Hotel was also carrying out works and my daughter was invited to a Party 'in the newly reburbished kids' area'. The place was not at all safe (particularly for children) -part of the kids' area was still under construction and one child ran down the stairs and could easily access broken glass windows etc. The whole place smelt of concrete and one could see that there was still work to be done. I don't know how the management could open this place in that state not even worrying about the lives of the children that went there.
Melody SantAngelo
Mar 7th, 09:57
That establishment does not form part of the hotel!
joe vella
Mar 6th, 17:04
Enough comments have been passed - the only fact I would like to point out is that the section of road that passes just near the hotel has collapsed twice
the investigators should keep this fact in consideration when they carry out their work
Mr Michael Debono
Mar 6th, 17:53
Yes they should look at everything and not throw all responsibility on one person. If a structure is built on rocks which later crumbles who should take the blame?
Peter Shaw
Mar 6th, 16:48
Health & Safety non-existent !!!!
Franco Attard Trevisan
Mar 6th, 18:27
This is (for once!) not a health and safety issue but a structural one
Mark Caruana
Mar 6th, 16:32
The block of apartment I live in was given a permit for another floor and penthouse by the MEPA. The residents contested the penthouses due to the rights for the roof. Contruction was halted by the owner and the kontrabejt was not done leaving the ceiling bare taking in water on it. When I go on the roof I see large pools of water and I am afraid that this roof won't hold more especially due to the heavy rains we experienced and it will cave in on us residents. It is so unfair that MEPA issues permits with no targets of completion and without inspection on the construction sites. This should be amended and done especially on those construction sites that are being already used as dwellings.
Tony Sciberras
Mar 6th, 17:21
I agree totally with you. It seems these contractors can do what they what and get away with it. They should be the only ones who vote next election then. This goes to both sides.
ELIZABETH MALLIA
Mar 6th, 16:32
This is another story which shows negligence in Health & Safety within the construction industry in Malta. Health & Safety should not only be implemented on site but is also the responsibility of the designer who ensures that he carries out a proper Design Risk Assessment and advices protective measures to be taken when delivering the project. From my experience working as an architect in Malta a few years ago this subject was never taken seriously by the authorities. When I compare this practice with the UK construction Laws and regulations it makes me realise how much more the Maltese Authorities need to prioritise Safety at Work.
Johann Aquilina
Mar 6th, 17:18
Do you think that OHSA could avoid this structural collition or the assesement should have been done by the architect him self before removing the shuttering????
I agree with you that in Malta we need to do much more improvment. we are like 20 year back dated on the system that we are trying to copy from HSE.
Ms.D. Galea
Mar 6th, 16:28
I hope that architects are fully aware of fact that they can be dragged in the courts of law to face the consequences when there is loss of human life or third party damage caused directly or indirectly by the projects they undertake., no matter how big or small their projects may be.
Mr Michael Debono
Mar 6th, 17:04
Archiects know that they are responsible for a building for sopme 20 years. This responsibility must be tken inro account when pricing.
Cornelius Murphy
Mar 6th, 20:42
Are architects required by law to have insurance cover for such an eventuality?
Franco Attard Trevisan
Mar 6th, 16:18
Please refrain (at least for now) from jumping to conclusions... on a construction site like this one, the number of reasons for something to go wrong is endless.... Buildings don't usually collapse because of one thing, usually it's a chain of events which only an in depth inquiry might track down.
I wish the best of luck to the unfortunate worker still trapped... Hope he got somehow shielded from the enormous weight of the structure.
Ms.D. Galea
Mar 6th, 15:56
If the building regulations and laws are formulated by architects , it stands to reason that the main beneficiaries would be the developer and his architect. rather then hapeless neighbours and their third party rights or workers on construction sites.
The usual attitude of being strong with the weak and weak with the strong.
Francis Grech
Mar 6th, 15:45
Why is every know it all people are only mentioning the architect,why not also the concret supplier are they having the right mixture or the Perit who is suppose to be on the job ever so often so he can check what material is being used and the health and safety inspectors to see that every thing is being done according to law,if there are any of them around further more was this building being constracted by experience builders ?. I must also add that the people that are still not found will be OK when found.
Steve Zammit
Mar 6th, 15:35
I feel sorry for the worker but I dont feel sorry for the hotel in question....you're developing virgin land and replacing it with more CONCRETE nad further destruction of Ghadira bay as it once was....
Melody SantAngelo
Mar 6th, 16:13
A large number of families earn their daily bread solely from working at this hotel - don't you feel sorry for them if the hotel's doors remain closed?
Emma Xerri
Mar 6th, 17:17
Steve I agree completely.
The Maltese have a penchant for taking over new land and destroying it forever with hideous concrete. Hotel owners in Malta also would rather not pay for the proper upkeep or refurbishment of the original buildings but prefer to spend the money on additions and extensions. One such hotel I visited recently which I remember when it was in its prime had smelly and stained carpet in the foyer and a general look of neglect, very sad indeed. And the only reason it probably didn't have an extension in the process of construction was because the land around it was already taken up by other hotels.
I think construction has completly ruined the island.
O GALEA
Mar 6th, 17:22
@ Melody... That wouldn't be your attitude if your son was buried under there. The hotel was fine as it was... and just needed sprucing up. But enough (money) is never enough hux ....
Remember tourists want a relaxing holiday in Malta. Sun, Sea, Scenery. If we continue with all this building, they'll just start going some place else .... and hotels will start closing down.
Peter Murray
Mar 6th, 17:29
So MELODY ITS OK TO LET A VERY DANGEROUS PLACE REMAIN OPEN SO AS NOT TO DISRUPT THE STAFF WORKING THERE IS IT?What about the missing worker not earning his bread anymore-possibly forever-and his family?
Steve Zammit
Mar 6th, 22:01
Melody let them work there so what, I'm against the extension of the hotel not the hotel itself....then everyone will complain when those beds remain empty....all we do is EXPAND and BUILD ... MORE BIGGER....$$$$$$
Never happy with what we have, l-aqwa nibnu u neqirdu il-ftit hdura li baqalna
Melody SantAngelo
Mar 7th, 09:53
Life goes on, a notion which you lot are not grasping yet. If the hotel remains unfinished for longer than expected, livelihood for lots of families might be in jeopardy -something you seem not to care about after reading your comments. My condolences to the relatives and friends of the departed.
O GALEA
Mar 7th, 11:04
@Melody.
You do not seem to grasp the basic concept that a HUMAN LIFE is worth more than a 100 jobs........
HEALTH AND SAFETY of workers, and eventually of the residents, comes before any job !
Karl Farrugia
Mar 6th, 15:33
Don't you just love reading every's two-pence worth of what they think? As usual, we take pole position for jumping to conclusionS and passing judgements.
Peter Murray
Mar 6th, 17:31
Very constructive input Karl which greatly alleviates the problem.So besides recognising all this jumpimg and passing what is your solution?
C Galea
Mar 6th, 15:25
Let us just hope that the poor worker survives.
A dome can easily buckle. There are many examples in the recent history. A 93.5m diameter dome designed by the best engineers of the period once failed in 1962 in Bucharest, Romania. It remained a puzzle why it happened. And in1970 the 53 m diameter Dome Auditorium of Long Island University, USA caved in after a snow storm.
But on the contrary our Mosta dome has resisted an air raid attack, and the Pantheon, the Roman temple for all gods (Rome AD 200), Hagia Sofia (Istanbul AD 537) the Brunelleshi dome (Santa Maria del Fiore, Florence 1420) which was erected without the use of scaffold and the Giacomo della Porta massive dome over St Peter (Rome 1590) the largest structure of its kind in Christendom and many others have all laughed at gravity and the elements.
Hope they find the reason why the one in Ghadira failed to avoid further incidents of the sort. And wish again for the worker's safety.
Mr Michael Debono
Mar 6th, 17:13
It is thought that the most sorry for what happened is the architect. He is afterall a human being who has feelings and surely no one is more eager to find alive the missing worker. Could it be the ground on which thedome was constructed that was defective and caused the accident
Astrid Vella
Mar 6th, 20:50
Mr. Debono, that is exactly why any serious architect of such a project would carry out extensive geological studies before starting a project of this size. Yours is no excuse at all.
Kleaven Maniscalco
Mar 7th, 01:18
"Domes can easily buckle". What do you mean by this?
C Galea
Mar 7th, 17:54
@ kleavan maniscalco
Sorry..forget the 'easily'. Just take the word as a generic meaning or as a manner of speaking.
What I wanted to say is that there are many factors why domes can fail. Although they are called the queens of roofs, their stability is owned to their curved, continuous shape. And although they cannot be considered as the strongest of structures especially against gravitational loading, they can be very rigid if all mechanics are well calculated, worked and uniformly synchronized together. For example extreme change in the inner temperature can cause over or under inflation of the dome and then eventual collapse. So can settlement, over weight, mistakes in design, construction techniques and so on.
The historical queens are clear proof of such excellent synchronizing, even though the old masters were still puerile on mathematics and sciences. Our own Lorenzo Gafa pioneered in these elements.
But fortunately these incidents are not very common and hopefully the experts shall learn what happened in this case..
And now they have found the poor lad. God save his soul and condolences to his family.
Richard Galea
Mar 6th, 15:17
Concrete takes longer time to reach its maximum strenght in cold tempretures....
michael southgate
Mar 6th, 18:43
NOT NECESSARILY. IN HOT WEATHER IT CAN DRY OUT BEFORE IT "CURES" ... IT "CURES"BETTER IN MORE HUMID CONDITIONS. BUT, YOU NEED SEVERAL WEEKS FOR IT TO OBTAIN A "WORKING" STRENGTH.
S Vella
Mar 6th, 15:14
Xoghol tal ghagla u nuqqas ta safety!!
Mr Michael Debono
Mar 6th, 16:46
Min qallek?
S Vella
Mar 7th, 12:59
@ Mr M Debono
Forsi s-sens komun?
Jew l-ahbar li f'Mejju l-lukanda kellha tilqa n-nies ovvjament mhux "Under construction"?
Jew forsi r-ritmu maghggel li bih kien ghaddej ix-xoghol lejl u nahar biex ilahhaq mad data tant vicin?
Tant xoghol differenti ghaddej f'salt u tant haddiema jahdmu fuq xulxin.....?
Gara x'gara hasra li ntilfet hajja ohra fuq il post tax-xoghol....
Kondoljanzi lil familjari ta dan il haddiem li tilef hajtu u lil hbieb tieghu.
C. Borg
Mar 6th, 14:50
shouldn't you experts be on site investigating what went wrong?? or you're just a bunch of pigeons giving your amateur opinion?? It is a case where only the investigation will tell us what went wrong. If you were not there and you did not build the structure why you are blaming the people?? And as regards to the those who mentioned the owner of the site, I am sure that the least that he wanted was this accident to happen or anything leading to it!!!!!
emanuel busuttil
Mar 6th, 14:38
if memory serves when i worked at that hotel for some 6 years the underground parking lot had water seeping thru the walls maybe it contributed to weakening of structure due to added weight on top of it? ,of course this is only speculation and not an educated guess but a big maybe?
Ms Borg
Mar 6th, 14:29
Poor guy, I feel very sorry for the missing person. May God be with him. Who can trust going in any of the new structure when all the work is completed? This has been either an archtectural or a material flaw. In either way, none of the completed building can be trusted unless the architectural plan is reviewed again and the material used is thoroughly tested by a third party.
Mr Michael Debono
Mar 6th, 15:47
Ms Borg are you an expert in architecture If your garden develops a hole then all your strufture must be defective. Quicklyget out of it for you are in danger.But quickly do it
Joseph Calleja
Mar 6th, 18:26
Ms Borg, Mr Debono seems to be very sensitive to the fact that both of us brought up the possibility that the collapse might have happened because we both mentioned the possibility of an architectural or a material flaw. Not so far fetched. It seems, Mr Debono is an expert and only he is entitled to express an opinion.
Melody SantAngelo
Mar 6th, 14:23
A building collapses, its the architects' fault surely cause nothing else could have gone wrong - what pathetic reasoning!
My heart goes out to the missing and injured in this story.
Astrid Vella
Mar 6th, 14:16
It is scandalous that applications for MEPA permits are not assessed for safety before being approved and that MEPA washes its hands of this matter of life and death.
FAA has handled cases where the objectors' architects have testified that proposed buildings will be unsafe for those living beneath, and yet MEPA washed its hands since the Development Planning Act does not include such issues. Hearing MEPA officials tell old people, scared out of their wits at the prospect of being buried alive, that they can only start a court case against the developer, really shows the injustices that are still being perpetrated.
The fact that MEPA's remit does not cover something as vital as safety, and yet it intervenes on issues that should not be it's business like whether a client has paid off his architect, really does show that the Development Planning Act was drawn up by architects, to only protect the interests of architects and developers.
cesco di luigi
Mar 6th, 16:56
MEPA is more ineterested (attaparsi) in fresh water crabs than in old people Astrid!!
O GALEA
Mar 6th, 17:16
.... and I am living with such a Damocles Sword at the moment.... But i cannot afford to go to court. The "contractor" who bought the top floor apartment proposed to buy me out.... But with the money he offered I cannot buy an apartment similar to mine. I don't want money... I want somewhere to live... IN PEACE.
PS... i hope they find this poor man soonest
Emma Xerri
Mar 6th, 17:22
Every wonder how many building would collapse if there is ever any earthquake of any substance?
Joseph Calleja
Mar 6th, 14:12
If this accident happened because of shotty work or shotty material then someone has to be held responsible and not sweep the whole incident under the carpet as we usually do. I think the whole construction should be examined to make sure that it was built safe. I am sure an investigation is already on the way and hopefully there is a good transparent explanation of how and why this piece of building collapsed. Too bad a life was lost in the rubble, it could have been much worse.
Caroline J. Muscat
Mar 6th, 14:47
... i think you meant "shoddy" ...
Mr Michael Debono
Mar 6th, 16:03
Are/nt you in a hurry to suspect all the building to be in danger. the underground could be the cause and when inspected it was given the O.K. A person who frequented the site said clearly that the car park used to develope water leakages, it could be the cause of the accident. Wait for developments before you decide what should be done.
Joseph Calleja
Mar 6th, 18:10
Thank you Caroline, you are right, I apologize it is a typo.
@ Mr Debono, I am not an engineer or an architect and I am not insinuating anything except that an investigation should follow, which is mandatory in such cases. It seems like you are the one jumping to conclusions about what might have caused the collapse. It seems that you might have an agenda to follow?
Ms.D. Galea
Mar 6th, 14:01
Fejn huma l'inginier u il-perit ta' dan il-progett, il kuntrattur u sid il-propjeta?
Nispera li issa, ghax il haddiem nieqes hu barrani , ma jhallux ix-xoghol jibqa ghaddej qiesu xejn ma hu xejn .
Kullhadd jiftakar x gara fil passat meta sahansitra girien spiccaw mietu mirduma kawza ta hsara li saret fil propjeta taghhom waqt xoghol ta' kostruzzjoni f siti vicin. Ix-xoghol baqa ghaddej QIESU XEJN MA HU XEJN U HADD MA INSTAB HATI!
DAQSHEKK HI RHISA IL-HAJJA UMANA F'DAN IL -PAJJIZ?!
Melody SantAngelo
Mar 6th, 16:04
The people you mentioned - "l'inginier u il-perit ta' dan il-progett, il kuntrattur u sid il-propjeta" - are mostly, if not always, on site.
Giov DeMartino
Mar 6th, 18:33
il-bierah stess l-IItalja waqa' palk li kienu qed jippreparaw ghal xi kuncert ta' Laura Pausini.
Alfred Grech
Mar 6th, 22:48
Giovanni, dak il-palk bnewh in-Nazzjonalisti ;))
Ms.D. Galea
Mar 7th, 00:38
@Ms Sant Angelo
dont bet on it!
Giov DeMartino
Mar 7th, 09:08
Alfred Grech ghandu ragun. Mela hawn ghandna xi haga li ma bnewhiex in-nazzjonalisti?
Melody SantAngelo
Mar 7th, 09:39
@Ms.D. Galea
Don't need bets, I am there almost every day too - so unless you can prove otherwise I would suggest you zip it.
David Smith
Mar 6th, 13:56
Structural solidity of buildings that are being constructed is not the responsibility of OHSA.
Joseph Cini
Mar 6th, 13:53
First of all let's pray for this worker. No one should jump into conclusion yet. But someone should shoulder the responsability for this.
Timothy Cachia
Mar 6th, 13:31
Nice architect eh. I am sorry for the worker, but would have happened if the place was full of people when it collapsed.
Mark Vella
Mar 6th, 13:19
No one is held accountable, noone is responsible and noone will be held liable for this....
I wonder if the architect who planned this structure is the same one that planned the rest??? however it could also be that the material was not good.
Mr Michael Debono
Mar 6th, 17:30
You are already throwing doubt on the ability of the architect regarding the whole building. Are you an expert in architecture. The cause could be indepedent of the architect. Look somewhere else. A contributor already referred to the car parkthat that leaked water. What happened at the base is reflected immediately on the summit.That's because the unit is built according to regulations.
Charles Micallef
Mar 6th, 13:12
Let us spare a thought and pray for the missing worker! that must comes first and before any blame is attributed to anyone concerned!
Daniel Falzon
Mar 6th, 13:04
It's a very sad news for the building Industry and even worse for those workers missing. One thing the people should know is how come such a big structure of concrete only requires a few days to load it with bricks and material.I don't want to be in the architects shoes and even less under the structure.
R Zammit
Mar 6th, 12:58
Firstly - I hope that the missing person is found and in good condition.
Secondly - Optimistically - better now than later when the thing would have been in use potentially with hundreds of people !
Anyone going to shoulder responsibility over this or is it going to be "Oh Sorry it happened...'and thats the buck of it'" ?
Clive Gerada
Mar 6th, 12:49
At least it did not collapse when it was being used, imagine how much people would have died!
Ivan Tabone
Mar 6th, 12:43
Shouldn't the experts be investigating the scene instead of posting expert comments here?
Let's just hope that the missing are found in a good state and that such incident is not repeated!
Mr Savio Camilleri
Mar 6th, 12:40
I wonder how come MTA is not mentioned in this report. They are there to see as it falls under their remit?
B Attard
Mar 6th, 12:38
Health and Safety only there to impose hefty fines on the small fish.
This seems to be the second tragic accident in days involving large scale construction sites.
According to the OHSA rules, there should have been an authorsed person (who will be paid hunders or maybe thousands of euros)to inspect and advice regularly on site.
Who will get the blame now? The poor worker if it's the case?
Edward Curmi
Mar 6th, 12:26
I wouldn't want to be in the architect's shoes..Hopefully no one is seriously injured!
ALBERT FENECH
Mar 6th, 12:25
Ok, let's not jump to hasty conclusions, but then let's make a few observations.
For a structure to collapse like this it was (1) either badly built (2) the foundations were badly laid down (3) the actual ground it was built on is subject to subsidence. I think that other reasons such as a bomb, detonation of some kind, a meteor falling from space etc can be eliminated.
So - what went wrong?
ALBERT FENECH
B Attard
Mar 6th, 12:43
An enquiry will take place as usual then after a decade there will be the conclusion.
Joe A. Borg
Mar 6th, 12:20
We are very lucky that this structure collapsed now and not when it was finished and full of people.
The whole structure integrity should now be put in doubt and checked for structural defects to ensure that no short cuts have been taken.
In the meantime I would like to sympathise with the filmily of the victims and hope that the responsible are brought to justice and victims compensated.
Kurt Mifsud
Mar 6th, 13:01
You're so wise Mr Borg. Try to explain this to the victims' families and relatives!
Thank you for cutting me off only one leg instead of two!!! Wth???
vella m
Mar 6th, 12:03
The architect involved must be very worried!
Ms.D. Galea
Mar 6th, 14:04
I hope that the developer, the contractor and the insurance agencies are equally worried AS WELL.
joseph mifsud
Mar 6th, 12:02
jalla dawk li hemm maqbuda taht id debris jinstabu hajjin.
S. Zammit
Mar 6th, 12:02
Hope all ends well!
Ms Maria Vella
Mar 6th, 12:01
If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sports we would have quite a few gold medallists
S Farrugia
Mar 6th, 12:18
totally agree on this one :)))
Jason Borg
Mar 6th, 12:35
I agree aswell
A. Xuereb
Mar 6th, 13:20
Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the people 'jumping to conclusions' are knowlegable about the subject in question? Or would you like them to put their university degrees after their names so that everyone can then identify them?
Kurt Mifsud
Mar 6th, 14:05
Mr Xuereb - It was a graduate who signed the health & safety inspection sheets as well, most probably an engineer. Did this occur to you?
Ms Maria Vella
Mar 6th, 14:31
A. Xuereb
I think Kurt Mifsud answered you correctly, so not going to bother
A. Xuereb
Mar 6th, 22:25
As usual you missed the wood for the trees.
A. Xuereb
Mar 6th, 22:26
@ Kurt mifsud: I wouldn't know
Mario Micallef
Mar 6th, 12:01
Il-hajja umana m'ghadha tiswa xejn!! jien ma nistax nifhem kif is-sibt li ghadda rajt fuq TVM servizz dwarha li trid tiftah sa mejju u ghaddejt minn hdejha gimghatejn ilu kien ghad hemm kullimkien konkos..u bdejt nghid bejn u bejn ruhi...
Michael Rizzo
Mar 6th, 11:53
I think it would be better if we wait to see what went wrong before jumping to conclusions.... Lets hope no one is hurt
Tony Busuttil
Mar 6th, 11:42
where is the health and safety. who was responsible for safety on site. jew qed nibnu fuq ir ramel?
William Calleja
Mar 6th, 11:50
While I'm quite sure that OHSA standards have not been followed as is usually the case in most local workplaces, this is a case where OHSA wouldn't have impacted much. When a large structure collapses there is no health and safety regulation that can avoid fatalities or severe injuries.
Kristin Ciantar
Mar 6th, 12:13
Ma nahsibx li tal HEALTH & SAFETY ghandhom x jaqsmu, se jaghmlu ha jmorru jzommu l bini.
Philip Hili
Mar 6th, 12:27
@ Kristin Ciantar
Bl-istess argument tieghek allura OHSA imissa lanqas giet imwaqqfa!!
"se jaghmlu ha jmorru jzommu l bini." Le ma jzommux il-bini, izda jekk kien hemm xi abbuz u forsi xi nuqqas waqt ix-xoghol, tal-OHSA jigbdu l-attenzjoni tal-Perit/i inkargat/i u forsi d-dizgrazzja tigi evitata.
F Galea
Mar 6th, 12:41
It's probably a miscalculation of the structures by the architects. It is not an issue with health and safety...
Michel Ellul
Mar 6th, 12:47
@ Philip Hili,
sewwa qal Kristian Ciantar....dan hu rizultat ta zewgt fatturi, jew il-perit ma ghamilx il-kalkoli sewwa, jew inkella xi hadd ma esegwiex il-proceduri tal- perit.
Kristin Ciantar
Mar 6th, 12:55
Well said F.Galea, thats what I meant , ghax alla jbierek kull hadd bravu u jifhem f kollox .
Victor Laiviera
Mar 6th, 12:58
This is not a question of health and safety, but supervision of good practices in construction . The architect/civil engineer's job.
Ms.D. Galea
Mar 6th, 14:08
SUR BUSUTTI,
il health and safety ma ghandhomx x jaqsmu ma bicca xoghol hekk .
Din hi kwestjoni tal-izviluppatur, il-kuntrattur u il-materjal u prattika li intuzaw waqt il-kostruzzjoni, and most of all, il-perit / architectural ingineer.
G. Abela
Mar 6th, 14:49
This has nothing to do with H&SE but with Quality Assurance and Contol. Who and how was the steel rebar checked. How was the wieght calculated. The type of concrete mix used, whether the concrete pour was approved by the Civil Engineer (mhux il-perit normali) or not. Were the foundations calculated to take the load of the structure?
All these factors will be investigated as these are not just the doing of one man but of several companies co-ordinating the site work together.
Bernice Vella
Mar 6th, 11:34
It's sad to see this happening to something that was a huge part of my childhood :(
Kevin Mifsud
Mar 6th, 11:39
yes,,very sad.....may God help with the undergoing help...
Martin Saliba
Mar 6th, 19:05
So true Bernice the building means so much unlike the life that was probably lost.