Medical School building offered for St Augustine College extension
The site where St Augustine College had wanted to build the new primary school
The government has suggested that St Augustine College in Pieta' could use the Medical School building to house its primary school, informed sources said.
The offer was made as a way out the situation which developed when Mepa refused to grant the college a permit to build on a plot adjacent to the college.
The medical school building is located just behind St Augustine on the grounds of St Luke's Hospital. Most of the functions of the Medical School are currently housed in the administration block of Mater Dei Hospital.
The proposal was made during a meeting which college officials had at the Office of the Prime Minister.
Last month some 600 teachers students and parents called on the Office of the Prime Minister to intervene in the issue and an appeal was also filed after the Mepa decision.
Neighbours of the college are insisting however, that the college should be treated like anybody else and if no development is allowed on the site chosen by the college, no permit should be issued.
It is understood that other options offered by the college were to build the college, including the new primary school, elsewhere, or to build the primary school elsewhere.
It is understood that the college authorities showed interest in the possibility of taking over the Medical School building but rejected the other two options.
College rector Fr Alan Scerri said the viability of using the Medical School building is under consideration and much depended on the alteration costs involved.
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T Bezzina
Mar 6th 2012, 20:18
@ K.Muscat. Please not that Independent schools are not business generating. The fees paid go mainly towards the teachers' salaries and facilities for the school, since unlike govt schools, they do not get any 'free resources' and have to keep up with what is new in the educational sector. The schools were built, paid by hard working parents. The land was bought, not given, from private individuals, not from the government, and parents are still paying for it, through registration fees. Also, permission was given through MEPA.
K. Muscat
Mar 6th 2012, 23:22
@ T.Bezzina my questioning is why a permit has ever been given in such virgin lands? How could they have the right to have a new school built in such an area when these people are being offered an old building which was never meant to be a primary school?
I for one have attended a school that was previously a building serving totally different purposes other than a school. The whole structuring was simply not right. How can one alter the medical school up to a state where it can compare to a new school specifically designed for juniors? This is simply unjust towards these children for whom their parents also want and try to give the very best, but do not have the same means as those attending at the Independent schools.
K. Muscat
Mar 6th 2012, 00:13
I am so disgusted with all the stupid excuses brought for this school, when there are other schools, privately funded, built in the middle of what was once tranquil countryside! Which, are now causing excessive traffic congestions to a main road cause they don't even have an adequately wide enough road to meet up with the excessive amount of parents that drop off their kids themselves!
Guess these schools are not blocking any view, well they just ruined it! But then I wonder how much funding was there to give the right to these people to build their schools, and is it because no "big head" lives in the vicinties or is it because this one is a church school and not some kind of big business generating school? Don't these people have a right too? Why is it that these kids get to have an old building while the ones with the big paying parents get OUR countryside?
Alfred Cassar
Mar 5th 2012, 20:35
Certu nies ma tikkuntentahom b'xejn, taghmel x'taghmel dejjem tlaqqatha maghhom. Gemgem jissejhu dawn
GEORGE CUTAJAR
Mar 5th 2012, 19:37
Government has once again shown it has the education of our children at heart not merely by words and hot air balloon statement but by tangible and hard facts, Surely this is an offer that cannot be refused.
The alteration costs will certainly not exceed the cost of building a new school and once accepted the students' parents will be happy and the residents can rightly enjoy their property.
Joe Grech
Mar 5th 2012, 19:52
George Cutajar do you really mean to say that you do not mind government giving this government owned property (i.e. taxpayer property) to this Church School for free? You must be daft my friend.
This is just Vote Catching Propaganda by this inefficient and irresponsible administration.
jimi Xerri
Mar 6th 2012, 08:51
@ Joe Grech
No problem! The school has made an appeal! Can you, whole heartedly against the school, guarantee that the MEPA appeal be a fair one and that nobody within the MEPA body that lives in the close visinity of the proposed project does not influence the MEPA judgement? I can guarantee that for the childrens' sake the approval of the MEPA permit would be the better option, as it does not only offer the class premises but also the grounds which already exist!!
All the school wants is a FAIR JUDGEMENT - nothing more!!!
Franco Farrugia
Mar 5th 2012, 18:58
I think it is an excellent idea. The school can either rent or buy this disused building that used to house the Medical School.
I don't think that PM Gonzi met these people, and anyway, a PM meets everybody. That doesn't mean he is interfering with MEPA.
I don't know why someone is saying that Gonzi is giving away public land. Who said so?
Another remark: putting children first, whatever the cost. Hmmm... Who said anything about putting children first? Mela issa naqghu mal-art ghax irridu skola.
G Debattista
Mar 5th 2012, 18:56
hope it is viable :))) st augustine's college deserves a junior school. it is one of the best schools at the moment :))
Joe Grech
Mar 5th 2012, 16:05
''It is understood that the college authorities showed interest in the possibility of taking over the Medical School building but rejected the other two options.
College rector Fr Alan Scerri said the viability of using the Medical School building is under consideration and much depended on the alteration costs involved.''
What a scandal if the Medical School building is given for free - or for peanuts - to this Church School! Will the P.M. really do that? He must be out of his mind to even try! As for the Archbishop - does he think that this ''solution'' is indeed a just one?
Joe Grech
Mar 5th 2012, 16:01
Do we understand that just to get votes in the next election the Hon. Prime Minister will be giving away this government property to the school authorities?
Could Dr. Gonzi explain to the taxpayer WHICH constitutional legislation allows him to do that?
Has he not learned from past mistakes: when he gave ex-Ministers Lm20000 each simply because they were grumbling that he had dropped them out from his new Cabinet - and he just wanted to shut up their protests: when he similarly shut up his dissenting backbenchers by giving them 10000euros of citizen money as ''part time work remuneration'' and asked them to go and carry out ''duties'' at the Ministries;
when he gave himself and his entire Cabinet a rise of 500euros weekly....
Either the Hon. P.M. does not know his constitutionally laid down constraints or he is just too arrogant to see reason. Pity that!
Mr Ernest Vella
Mar 5th 2012, 15:37
x'tambih bini bla uzu...il-bini ha jinghata bi hlas jew b'self nimmagina...il-Gvern sewwa ghamel li offra dan il-bini BIEX ULIEDNA LKOLL JIRNEXXU U MA JIBQA LURA HADD. Min qed jikkritika l-Gvern missu jara f'daru xi jsir...illum Kazin politiku sar Day Care Centre ghal Anzjani...morru sas-Siggiewi u araw!!!
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Mar 5th 2012, 15:30
Why has Dr. L. GOnzi held this meeting? is he now trying to influence MEPA's decision makers> If MEPA is truly independent , Gonzi should have refused to meet these people and pointed them back to MEPA and its rules. But as usual, Gonzi says one thing (MEPA is an independent authority) and then does the complete opposite.
Joseph M. Saliba
Mar 5th 2012, 14:54
This is another electoral gimmick. The Power of Incumbency should not give gratis public land as this belongs to the nation and no one else. If somebody in power wants to solve tlhe problem created with the College Authorities he should offer his private land and not the property belonging to the nation. I believe that this case should be treated in the same way as in case of Charles Polidano whose application to convert the residence of the former Grandmaster De Rohan in Balzan into a development of terraced house with swimming pools has been rightly refused. So what is the problem ????? Is it a two ways two measures policy. Is it because the Church is again involved??? So what the State is supreme and no one is above the law. That is the Rule of Law entrenched in our Constitution.
John Aquilina
Mar 5th 2012, 14:48
The government's proposal, which was based on Malcolm Mifsud's recommendation makes sense. Planning policy should be aimed towards using again existing buildings and not developing new ones in scheduled areas.
B Testa
Mar 5th 2012, 14:18
It seems that some people are becoming more equal than others. The church schools were never offered alternative sites for the building of their primary schools, however since this affected a PN mayor and other PN supporters, it was important not to loose their vote. Ah yes maybe this was in the interest of the country !!
m. borg (slm)
Mar 5th 2012, 14:09
Anything to gather votes even giving away public property.. Let's hope this is not another GO debacle.
I'd say let them build the school as the Augustinians planned.
France Scicluna
Mar 5th 2012, 14:07
Put children first, whatever the cost.
R Axisa
Mar 5th 2012, 14:32
There were other church schools that were refused permit for a primary school!
Patrick Pace
Mar 5th 2012, 14:39
By your statement, we would need to put a stop to several building projects not only in Pieta, but across Malta and Gozo. To put children first therefore means that the school needs to apply the win/win option. thus getting the school it wants by housing it at the old medical school AND does no harm to one of the few green areas left in the locality. May this principle be applied across the islands, over and over again, so that we "put children first, whatever the cost".
B. Storace
Mar 5th 2012, 13:04
It is understood that the college authorities showed interest in the possibility of taking over the Medical School building but rejected the other two options.
College rector Fr Alan Scerri said the viability of using the Medical School building is under consideration and much depended on the alteration costs involved.
Indeed a very sensible thing to do without breaking open virgin ground and destroying another much needed lung so necessary in this day and age. However, I would have thought that to build a new wing from scratch entails a cost of some sort so why is it that the reverend father's decision depends on alteration costs.....and what about the cost of the land or will this be another freebie. Dear Office of the Prime Minister in government please consider your steps carefully before acting hastily and remember that what's good for the goose is just as good for the gander. I am concerned.
Antoine Vella
Mar 5th 2012, 12:42
I'm still waiting to hear what ENGOs, in particular Din l-Art Ħelwa and Flimkien għall-Ambjent Aħjar think of the whole affair.
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Mar 5th 2012, 15:27
Are you a member of either NGO? if not, its none of your business to know. You are just baiting these NGOs because in the past they have criticised some of the environmentally-unfriendly decisions taken by GonziPN. As always you want diffuse politics even in this kind of non-political situation. Grow up and learn that there are people - not politicians and not their blind supporters- who care for their country.
Mr Ernest Vella
Mar 5th 2012, 15:38
xi tridhom jghidu...tghid mhux ha jghidu li l-Medical School hija xi wirt dinji lol
Joseph M. Saliba
Mar 5th 2012, 12:35
Is the Medical School land being given to College Authorities for free or in exchange of the site pertaining to the College where building permits have been refused. If it is given to find a solution to the problem I should think this is very unfair as this is the people's land and the College Authorities should be treated in the same way as other developers.
Patrick Pace
Mar 5th 2012, 13:02
I fully agree that the site should be granted at a cost, whether by imposing on the school to rehabilitate the gardens or by cash payment or by both. I note that the school rejected an alternative site for the building of their new school....hence THEIR choice....at a just price.
David Smith
Mar 5th 2012, 11:53
Of course!! Aren't the authorities aware of the huge parking problems on the grounds at St. Luke's Hospital ever since Malta Enterprise took over one of the buildings on site? Aren't they aware that it has become impossible for people visiting elderly relatives at Karen Grech Hospital to find adequate parking? The problem is compunded by the fact that Pieta Local Councils insists on having a residents' parking scheme, making it impossible to even park outside the grounds of St. Luke's?
Thomas C. Cassar
Mar 5th 2012, 11:36
Tal-Misthija hargu tant permessi ta` bini f'widien, sahansitra biswit Forti Sant'Anglu tellajna blokka flats moderna imbaghad ma dan il-kullegg imxejna hekk, l-aqwa li s-sindku Nazzjonalista tal-lokal tibqalu l-veduta mill-bedroom.
Patrick Pace
Mar 5th 2012, 12:58
The problem in this country is that everything has to be turned into a political issue. This is not about the local mayor, its about starting to realise that 1- Just because the church is involved does not make it a `holy` issue. 2-Just because a school is involved does not mean its not speculation 3- Just because there is a problem with the school`s children`s education (a problem created by the school administration who wrongfully took bookings for a school that did not even exist) does not mean that we should calm down and look for a solution that wonder of wonders was found just across the street in an unutilised building that will serve the scope.
Angus Black
Mar 5th 2012, 13:14
Thomas C Cassar, when are we going to break the custom of doing two wrong things to make one right? If mistakes happened in the past especially before MEPA was reformed, shall we continue to do the same?
What makes you so sure that the permit was not granted so that the Nationalist mayor's view is not obstructed? Must you inject political venom every time an opportunity presents itself? With all its warts, MEPA is a vast improvement over what was happening thirty years ago when a minister decided if a permit was issued, who for and irrespective of whether the site was ODZ, sensitive or not. In fact, in those days, 'Outside Development Zones' were unknown or only applied when some Nationalist-leaning developer begged the minister for a permit!
Does it not make sense that an unused existing building be used to accommodate the school and at the same time preserve a small green area like which we have so very few of in populated areas?
Rocco Camilleri
Mar 5th 2012, 13:48
Jien ghaliha din ma' tghamel l-ebda sens li jkollok skola mifruda minn skola ohra eziztenti, imbaghad dan kollu biex ma' titghatiex il-veduta ta' xi hadd kbir. Ara li konna ahna zgur mhux hekk kienu jimxu. Dan meta wkoll sa' fejn naf jien l-ebda veduta ma' tinghata mal-permess tal-bini. Mur ghidilhom in-nies ta' tas-Sliema li gew midfuna bil-bini, mhux talli ma' baqalhomx veduta imma lanqas xemx biex inixxfu l-hwejjeg.
Thomas C. Cassar
Mar 5th 2012, 16:01
Naqbel ma hafna mill-argumenti taghkom u huma validissimi, imma niksru tant regoli biex inpaxxu lil xi hadd tal-klikka fuq haga hekk laghbniha tad-dojoq?? Mela Malta mimlija boathouses illegali, lukandi u stabbilimenti fuq art misruqa, ministri u shabhom b'permessi 'suspettuzi', bini f'widien ara Mosta, San Giljan etc imbaghad ghax skola riedet tkabbar biex tkun tista izzid l-istudenti fiha rajniha xi haga mpossibbli.
Issa nista nisteghma partiggjan vera imma tinsewx li ghandna Gvern ilu 25 sena jmexxi ghalekk jiehu hafna tort hu avolja nkun qed nitkellem in generali. Qabel kien jidher ikrah il-ministru ghax kollox taht idejh, illum il-ministru ma jidher imkien imma still ma nbidel xejn, il-MEPA 'tahsel' id-decizjonijiet taghhom.
Patrick Pace
Mar 5th 2012, 16:35
@Rocco Camilleri - Ilna snin twal b`certi skejjel li ghandhom livell primarju go rahal u s-sekondarju go iehor u qatt ma kien xi tgergir fuq l-effett fuq l-edukazzjoni provvduta. Igifieri ma nafx kif ma jaghmilx sens ghalik. Din mhix kwistjoni ta veduta ta xi hadd u ma nafx kif ser nibqghu nisimghu kummenti bhal dawn li jgibu f`daqshekk banalita` argument daqshekk serju. Sur-Camilleri, ahna qed nitkellmu fuq AMBJENT u il-biza` li jkompli jiddeterjora, mhux biss f`tal-Pieta, imma Malta kollha. Irridu nibdew nghidu STOP, KULL FEJN ikun hemm talba ghal aktar bini BLA SENS kif inhu dan il-kaz. U dejjem niftakru li billi insemmu ezempji ta abbuzi tal-passat (Sliema etc etc) mhu ser iwassalna imkien hlief li immorru ghall-GHAR. Jien ma rridux dan....u int ?
Angus Black
Mar 5th 2012, 19:58
@ Thomas C Cassar
Sur Cassar, l-applikazzjonijiet ghal bini fejn imorru? Imorru l-MEPA, le? U l-Ministru meta jaghmel decizjoni jekk permess johrog jew le? Ir-risposta hija QATT ghax l-ebda firma ta ministru ma tidher fuq decizjoni tal-MEPA.
Ilu li spicca dak iz-zmien li l-ministru kien jiddeciedi jekk bicca art tigix zviluppata jew le. Artijiet tal gvern in naha tas-South (biex ma nkunx aktar specifiku) inghataw b'xejn lill pampaluni Laburisti, flats imbnew u taghwhom lill partitarji laburisti b'kiri baxx. U kemm il-plot inghataw bil-barka tal-ministru? Kemm il-propjeta inhatfet minn gvernijiet tas-70ijiet u t-80ijiet ghall uzu ta kazini? Tghid hadd ma jaf kemm l-MLP uza l-Macina bhala headquarters u ghal skopijiet ohra? Kemm gawdew il-Maltin minn azzjonijiet bhal dawn?
Il-gvern li ilu 23 jiggverna (mill-ahhar 25) waqqaf hafna mill l-abbuz ta zmien gvernijiet Socjalisti li harbtu pajjiz, hatfu banek, sawtu u qatlu nies u li matul zmienhom kien hawn qaghad spjetat u eluf ta haddiema kienu jithallsu bix-xejn. Illum xoghol b'valur mizjud, pagi tajbin u nfiq rekord, kemm f'lussu u kemm f'safar ta kull sena.
Bhal li kieku ma mbnewx vilel ta ministri f'lokalijiet sensittivi u b'haddiema tal-gvern. U tghid li xi trakk gebel l'hemm u l-hawn ma sabux ruhhom f'xi faccata ta xi villa ta xi ministru minflok f'xi xoghol tal-gvern? Hallina, int jew ghadek zghir, jew l-LP ipprogrammatlek mohhok!
Patrick Pace
Mar 5th 2012, 11:30
So, after all the fuss and preferential treatment being demanded by the college, the most logical of solutions is (hopefully) being applied by – as many like me suggested – utilising an unused ALREADY DEVELOPED SITE for this school. This “homework” should have been done prior to all the needless controversy and would have avoided the resultant chaos.
May I now humbly suggest to the college rector to still take over the gardens the school wanted to destroy and develop them into a garden of sustainability for their students to study and appreciate Maltese nature in general. They could use it, amongst other initiatives to plant seeds of local endemic trees and shrubs that could be then handed over to the government for planting across Malta. They may refer to other schools who for years have been promoting this initiative for guidance if required.
John iNGUANEZ
Mar 5th 2012, 12:11
Mr Pace,
And those residents in the balconies will continue to enjoy their view! Who said that views could be sold or lost, as in the case of Mellieha?
Steve Borg - Marsascala
Mar 5th 2012, 15:41
I totally agree with you. I have written about this as well. I think that all we need is for common sense to prevail. All this hassle would have been averted.
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