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A third of Malta's young are missing family upbringing - Mgr Grech

Gozo Bishop Mario Grech has warned that in 20 years' time, a third of Malta's adults would have grown up without enjoying the unique experience of a proper family upbringing.

Speaking during a Qalb tad-Deheb Prize activity held by the Cana Movement, Mgr Grech said that nothing substituted a family upbringing for character formation . It should, therefore, be a matter of concern that almost a third of babies were currently born out of wedlock. This meant that in 20 years' time, a third of the young adults would have been denied the experience of a proper family upbringing.

Those who wanted to have a long-term view for the country needed to work hard to ensure that Maltese families were not weakened and that the family value continued to be held dear, the bishop said.

Mgr Grech suggested that an Association for the Family could be set up to safeguard the rights of the family in various sectors, such as education, health, work, entertainment, politics and the economy.

To date, he said, the family had left others to speak for it, but the time had come for the family itself to have a direct voice in the socio-political debate.  

In the same way as there were associations which defended the rights of workers, consumers and animals, why shouldn't there be an association of families to ensure that laws and regulations respected the natural rights of this natural society, which was the family?

In the same way as there were various groups which lobbied in various areas - such as those in favour of the environment and those against censorship - why shouldn't one consider the creation of a group of families that worked in favour of the family? Mgr Grech asked. 

He said that this grouping should not be confessional, it that the reality of the family was a natural one. Safeguarding the family was a lay, not religious value and it was the current precarious state of the family which dictated the need for coordinated action to safeguard the family.

Obviously, Mgr Grech said, Catholics had a lot to offer. The core of Christian values about marriage and the family was in line with human values. All those who believed in a family built on a marriage between a man and a woman should view the setting up of such an association as an opportunity for the institution of the family to continue to be respected as an achievement for the dignity of mankind and the formation of future generations. 

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William Flynn

Feb 15th, 10:24

Rubbish! Francis Saliba

This is criminal shirking of responsibility and stand-over tactics by the church over a traumatized family. Disgusting!


Ratzinger made it clear that it is the BISHOPS' responsibility to refer a child rape that surfaces to the police.

Over and over the Vatican keeps referring to ZERO TOLERANCE and this is understood by most bishops in other countries.
It's NOT NEGOTIABLE in Ireland, Britain, the USA, Australia, Canada and the EU. An accusation of Child rape by priest means the police are immediately involved and it becomes a criminal investigation.

The child has been violated and no one but NO ONE can militate against the child’s rights and the police have to do their job to protect the innocent victim according to secular law.

Why do the Maltese bishops continue to defy the law and the pope and the Vatican? Who is behind their power to be able to avoid the process of law? Why do we let them?

Mike Hunt

Feb 14th, 16:07

What's that supposed to mean????

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 14th, 18:22

Lehen il-Knisja suppost li jaghmel hoss imma jekk taghmel l-icken kritika socjali l-istess anti-klerikali li jgemgmu li l-Knisja ma ssemmghax lehinha bizzejjed pront jakkuzawha li qieghda tindahal lill-istat fejn ma jesghahiex. Ma dan kollu, l-awtoritajiet tal-Knisja spiss jaqdu dmirjom u jsemmghu lehinhom dwar problemi socjali imma lill-ghedewwa tal-Knisja hadd u qatt ma jikkuntemthom bl-ebda mod.

Luke Lanzon

Feb 15th, 01:16

All I can say is there was life before humans and that's enough for me.

Luke Lanzon

Feb 15th, 01:16

All I can say is there was life before humans and that's enough for me.

Dorielle Soler

Feb 15th, 10:03

Prosit Dr Saliba - you said it all and very well too !

Mike Hunt

Feb 15th, 13:37

Nothing wrong in being Maltese, nor being proud of some aspects of one's heritage. But yes, entrenchment is denying future generations a better future just because the current generation is convenient in its status quo. I grew up in Malta. Thrown out of class at age 7 because I questioned some genesis stories being taught in class. I was 'failed' from my confirmation test at the local museum centre for dogmatisation because I lacked 'fidelity'. Spent the first decades of my life being asked not to rock the boat because "ghax Malta hekk isiru l-affarjiet" and always told to know and respect my place. So I spent a long time getting worked up because of 'bus drivers' (ghax malta hekk tahdem is sistema), at bird hunters (ghax dik it tradizzjoni) at homophobia (ghax fir religjon taghna ... bla bla), at work where the select few reap most of the benefits of others' work because of their 'right of birth' and various misplaced allegiances and sense of entitlements.

William Flynn

Feb 14th, 11:54

I think Francis Saliba also has trouble understanding the knowns let alone the unknowns.

He needs to understand that rubbishing the great, free and wonderful country that Australia is and which I am so lucky to have lived in for two thirds of my life, is going to win him debate points.

His fallacies are so numerous that in a properly conducted and refereed debate he would go down like a lead balloon. Every comment he makes has several fallacies.

Which is curious because to learn the skill of medical diagnoses requires training in clear thinking. Perhaps he missed the lectures on clear thinking or he slept through them; for I have never seen any clear thinking in any of his arguments.

Andy Farrugia

Feb 14th, 18:10

"I hope he keeps it up so the removal of Article 2 is hastened." In your dreams, Flynn from down under; you and your pals, hither and thither, can scream and shout, can insult and vilify, can swamp blogs and threads with your despicable, hate-filled remarks till Kingdom Come but you will never succeed. Continue to wallow ...

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 14th, 11:43

@ W Flynn (14 Feb at 10:19)

Whether you like or not, our constitution is the supreme law of the land by the will of the drafters of the constitution and by its endorsement up to this very day by the relevant local electorate empowered to amend the constitution. Your pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking from Australia is zilch by comparison.

Our Republican Constitution gives the right and duty to teach what is morally right or wrong to Roman Catholic hierarchy in Malta - NOT TO YOU or to any other former resident of Malta who abandoned his homeland and who also abandoned the official religion of the republic, That is an incontrovertible FACT even though it sticks in your throat - so do yourself a big favour and shut up until your false prophecy comes true.

The relevant articles of the Constitution are not a "temporary aberration". They have withstood the test of time since the constitution came into force in 1964 and as yet there is no trace of evidence that they will be "soon blasted" so as to accomodate you. Please, come down to earth, stop your idle dreams, have patience and learn to FACE AND ACCEPT FACTS as they are.
You would be free to continue venting your antireligious spleen in the columns of our The Times thereby irritating some and amusing the rest even though that is not good for your blood pressure, but "de gustibus non est discutandum".

Mike Hunt

Feb 14th, 12:02

@Francis Saliba M.D.

Is that why you believe that homosexuality is bad, because the church told you what you're meant to believe is right or wrong?

Ramon Casha

Feb 14th, 13:26

@Francis Saliba: If it is the constitutional duty of the church to teach what is good and what is bad, then why is it saying that bad is good and good is bad? One would have to conclude that the church is failing in its constitutional duty.

Loredana Cassone

Feb 14th, 13:31

@francis saliba MD:yes, it is a very acceptable fact that the church and the constitutions is hereby protecting its child rapist clergy

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 14th, 15:44

@ Mike Hunt (14 Feb at 12:02)

You have no right to declare that it is my belief that “homosexuality is bad” still less that the church “told” me so. The Church never told me so – it teaches that putting sodomy into practice is wrong. I hope that you are able to appreciate the difference.

My opinion about homosexuality is that it is a deviation from normal biology, a deviant sexuality, just as, for example, cretinism is a deviation from normal thyroid function and therefore abnormal. Humanity does not insist that cretinism should be accepted as “normal” or “natural” on the grounds that a small minority of children are born that way. That I know from my medical studies and not because the Church told me so.

Tommy Vella

Feb 14th, 10:51

Where did you get the age of the significantly older man who was not the father? From his birth certificate?

Like the proven fact about prison inmates reading the bible in their majority. Spouting the first thing that comes into your mind.

Ramon Casha

Feb 14th, 13:24

@Tommy Vella: From the gospels and the Catholic Church's teachings.

Tommy Vella

Feb 14th, 18:24

Shows how very little you know and the shallowness of your arguments, though you write much and spout words like a veritable encyclopaedia.

Nowhere in the gospels are we told anything about St Joseph regtarding his age and condition. he is mentioned only a few times in the gospels of Luke and Matthew as a protagonist in the story of the birth of Jesus and when he was lost as a 12-year old in the temple. Quote me chapter and verse about his age. I credited you with more acumen. If you fell flat on this one from now on I will be taking everything that you say witha very large pinch of salt.

Also with regards to the teaching of the Catholic Church as regards St Joseph, quiote me the documents you consulted. We only assume that St. Joseph was old due to artistic representations which have nothing magisterial (of teaching authority) about them

Ramon Casha

Feb 14th, 20:34

Careful with that salt, it's not good for you. In any case salt doesn't change the fact that I'm right. The Catholic church did and does teach that Joseph was significantly older than Mary. Their reason and sources for doing so is besides the point.

At least one account has Joseph at 90 years of age marrying Mary who was 12 to 14 at the time. He had been previously married to another woman from whom he'd had other children (Jesus' brothers and sisters).

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

Tommy Vella

Feb 15th, 17:59

I am going to increase that dose of salt after your last post. It's a real pity that an educated person, such as I assume you to be, cannot distinguiosh between apocryphal writings and the Church's teaching.

No the Church DOES NOT TEACH AND HAS NEVER TAUGHT that Joseph was significantly older than Mary.

Sorry but you fell again flat on your face.

If you want to find out what the Church teaches about Saint Joseph just look him up in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Mike Hunt

Feb 14th, 10:41

@Francis Saliba M.D.

What is nauseating are judgemental people like the bishop who believe that those of us not part of a man/woman/children family are a dent in the dignity of mankind and those to whom a woman is either "a dutiful mother and wife or a promiscuous prostitute"

The bishop should be ashamed for abusing his position of influence over the 'faithful' to spread such prejudice. He should apologise and make amends. Disgraceful!!

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 15th, 10:10

@ Mike Hunt.

When our bishops comply with their duty and their right to teach what is right and what is wrong, they are acting as teachers not judges. It is a fundamental tenet of our Christianity that we leave judgment in the hands of God, lest we be judged ourselves. It is a chronic dishonest jibe of the irreligious and the atheists to malign bishops as "judgmental" when they are better described as educators and healers of those who want to learn and who want to be absolved of their sins.

Paul Xuereb

Feb 14th, 09:39

Completely in agreement.

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 14th, 09:28

What do YOU know?

Your perception of things religious could possibly hold true for your Australian bush but it does not necessarily hold true for the Republic of Malta. If one were to accept your previous caricatures of the Maltese priest one would acquire a different picture, false of course, of priests with very hefty bank accounts and credit cards spilling out of every pocket.

William Flynn

Feb 14th, 11:33

Who needs hefty bank accounts and credit cards when every need is catered for by the world's biggest, best organized, best camouflaged most successful parasite in the world? The Vatican and the Catholic church. I’ll bet Bishop Grech doesn’t even carry cash; let alone worry where the money to pay next month's bills is going to come from.

Joseph Sammut

Feb 14th, 09:36

"Where is the data to support this?". Look around you and see the mayhem the world is in - is that data enough for you?

Luciano Mule Stagno

Feb 15th, 10:20

No. besides the fact that I believe the world is better today than it's ever been, can you conclusively pin all that mayhem on the "breakdown in families"?

Charles Grima

Feb 14th, 08:28

So true!!!! Send them out to work, like the rest of us! Make them pay their own way in life, with bills and living expenses.....And then we'll see what they manage to do!

J Degabriele

Feb 14th, 08:30

"It is becoming impossible for both parents to go to work and look after children. It is also financially impossible to bring up and educate your offspring unless both husband and wife go to work."
So your solution is???

Joe Fenech

Feb 14th, 07:58

Family disintegration has NOTHING to do with being married or not. It is mainly due to low moral standards and the fact that capitalism, in various way, has destroyed life. Families today struggle to get shelter, and to cater for basic needs.

William Flynn

Feb 14th, 08:29

Why if it isn't Gerie/Gerry Cowie/Kawi telling at least telling us Ramon Casha is a humanist. Now isn't that the scoop of the year! I'll bet he'll say I live in Australia next.

These two facts lend a huge weight to his arguments. Or not!

Kurt Mifsud

Feb 14th, 10:10

Good one William. And beware if you are an animal lover as well :)

vella m

Feb 14th, 08:08

@Francis Grech,Prosit I agree with you 100%.

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 13th, 21:14

@ Ramon Casha (13 Feb at 20:35.

The Bishop of Gozo is not wrong. The Bishop of Gozo was referring to "proper family upbringing" where the concept of family does not tally with yours. It does NOT include just about any odd admixture of father (known or "unknown") and any female (whether a dutiful mother and wife or a promiscuous prostitute) or families where the mother is a "male" and the father is a "female" and both parents belong to the same biological sex.

David Vella

Feb 13th, 22:14

A man and a woman, married, with kids are a family - That's a healthy family mostly because this family is revolving around the Holy trinity! And these are proven facts.
The rest you mention my dear friend is what you call cancer on society simply because evil is making all this possible, have a look at the statistics - more than 3/4 of inmates worldwide will account for the rest of examples you mentioned! And these are proven facts!
So at the end you see that God always knew what family business is all about!
Love among a family as you very well mentioned at the beginning is transmitted with harmony, and I'm witness for this cause there are many around! But sorry you are absolutely completely wrong on the other examples!!!

ben wood

Feb 14th, 01:25

a breath of fresh air!! thanks Ramon for being so positive. families come in all shapes and form.

Tommy Vella

Feb 14th, 08:34

We are modern. We are liberal. And we have reduced the world and humanity to the worst state they have ever been in since they were created. And we are all jolly good fellows for having done that.

William Flynn

Feb 14th, 09:01

David Vella and Francis Saliba are doing the Catholic thing. Vella calls people who unfortunately can't have the "ideal Catholic family" a cancer. Lovely.

Saliba is doing what he does best denigrating and tarring the whole with the worst of the worst of the sample.

This is the sort of thinking that empties churches. Thank you.

Luke Lanzon

Feb 14th, 09:17

@ Tommy Vella

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not (I hope you are) but how can you call this the worst state humanity has ever seen??

90's all those wars in yugoslavia
80's tension of the cold war
70's not really sure
60's probably still feeling some affects of the second world war
50's world war II side effects
40's world war II
30's pre world war tensions
20's effects of the first world war
10's the first world war
before that war, war, war and for what?? power, land and obviously religion. So my point is humanity is probably going through one of its best moments in history, you know putting aside this financial trouble, which will eventually be fixed.

Tommy Vella

Feb 14th, 09:27

@ Luke Lanzon

Of course I'm being sarcastic, just in case you did not read me. Don't you count the twentieth century with the modern times? You have just proved my point.

Tommy Vella

Feb 14th, 09:45

@ Luke Lanzon

If for you having millions dying of aids; more million unborn babies being destroyed; rampant sex with all that it ensues for families, nations, states; third world workers (many of them children) being forced to do atrocious work for pennies; women being humiliated as white slaves in many modern economies means that humanity is probably going through one of its best moments in history, who am I to contradict you?

Ramon Casha

Feb 14th, 09:52

@Francis Saliba M.D.: That's precisely where the bishop is wrong. I am including all of these as families - proper families - including, obviously, the church's concept of an ideal family. You and the bishop are finding ways to exclude some real, proper and good families because of your prejudices.

Ramon Casha

Feb 14th, 09:56

@David Vella: The idea that the family "is based on the trinity" is not a proven fact, it's superstitious nonsense. The idea that the children of same-sex couples or unmarried stable couples contribute a higher percentage of the prison inmate population is not a proven fact, it's a bare-faced lie.

Here's a proven fact for you: The HUGE majority of prison inmates have read the Bible.

Kurt Mifsud

Feb 14th, 10:12

So according to Francis Saliba, what's not Catholic is simply wrong and UNproper?

Tommy Vella

Feb 14th, 10:30

The HUGE majority of prison inmates have read the Bible.

When and where did you hold the survey to get that fact?

Luke Lanzon

Feb 14th, 10:53

Tommy Vella

If you think that stuff like that didn't use to happen pre centuries ago then go live there if you want, give me modern europe with its more liberal views then old europe with its roman empires, british empires, french empires, World Wars any day.

Tommy Vella

Feb 14th, 11:08

@ Luke Lanzon

Are you serious Luke? Do you know what you are saying?

Centuries ago?

Aids?

Millions of abortions?

Sex and white slavery on the scale we are witnessing to-day?

And I didn't even mention the material damage we are doing to the world. Or maybe global warming, forest destruction, endangered species were also the norm, centuries ago?

Luke Lanzon

Feb 14th, 11:39

you're right no aids but loads of other plagues because of less technology, abortions maybe not the safer way of today but some kind for sure probably the man stabbed the woman or something (by the way I beleive abortions should be legal but lets not change the subject), sex has always been around and not marriage sex, its a natural thing and in the end we are mammals so I can't see anything wrong with it (of course being carefull nowadays by using condoms to prevent unwanted suprises and diseases) , what else rape and if you were a peasant which was kind of slavery who are you going to report it to?? the king or his mignons?? like they would care. In other words living in those times was like living under a communist/dictatorship with lack of technology and a whole load of bull, now if you want to go live in those days fine, find a way but let me live in this more modern liberal obviously far from perfect place which has its faults but still a more free europe then before.

Marco Bellagio

Feb 13th, 21:14

not sure if serious or trolling...

Patrik Larsson

Feb 14th, 06:50

Amen.... please.

Mario Vella

Feb 13th, 20:15

truth hurts ah!

David Vella

Feb 13th, 22:18

Am afraid you still don't get the point! this ditty little nation - as you put it is already divided.
About the divorce issue, wait and see the repercussions!! Be patient.

MALCOLM SEYCHELL

Feb 13th, 21:04

The only type of person who lack dignity are the PEDOFOLI. Those people which were protected from the church for decades. If their is an institution in the world who cannot teach us values is the catholic church

Franco Farrugia

Feb 13th, 23:04

Mhux hekk? Single parents have no right to consitute a family, and nor do two men or two women have a right to constitute a family, whatever their relationship is, 'qallek l-isqof ta' Ghawdex! Dak jaf!!'

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