Attacks on gays: Victims urged to come forward

Joe Xuereb

Feb 17th, 12:51

Mr. Helwani(it is Mr. is it not. One never knows with foreign names). I have to say your English is very quaint. So yet again, very amusing. Keep them coming please.
Me curious about your origins, Helwani?! I know you, and people like you, come from the back of beyond. I know where you are coming from. I know where you are at. And most important of all, I know where you are heading. And that is good enough for me. If you don't want people to know you, even from thousands of miles away, then it is better if you say nothing. Because we evaluate people by what they say. Whether they say it to your face or on the printed page is irrelevant. Li kieku l-kliem kien ġawhar, is-skiet aqwa minnu. But keep them coming nevertheless. February is a dull month and a guy needs his petty amusements.
Nixtieqlek il-jum it-tajjeb u dak kollu li tixtieq qalbek (imma attent li ma jmurx dak li tixtieq iseħħ u jgħaddi.
Helwani, may I say one final thing. I know it will go right over your head but I should say it just the same, for my sake and for anyone else who would benefit from such. Namely, people who make an issue of other people's different 'orientations', be they concerning sexuality, belief- system, colour, etc., are really putting onto these people their own insecurities about themselves. Now then, I cannot put it more simply than that. If I spoon-fed you and came down to your level, you would likely accuse me of patronising you (as if!). So if you don't understand, that is fine by me. Some people one has to write off as lost causes. So not my problem!

PS Mr./Ms.Helwani. Nowhere did I deem necessary to bring up the GonziPN. But you did. Congratulations. At least it proves you are a fully paid-up Maltese citizen, partisan and all!

Hossam Helwani

Feb 15th, 09:23

@ joe xuereb

I Thank heavens that you find my comments amusing, thank you too for the compliment. But your comment is far from amusing!

IT is these types I refer to as serious and very dangerous. I think you need serious lessons how to address people.

It is not your concern where I live, Where I am from and my nationality. Your comment implies exclusivity.

I will not quench your curiousity. Curiosity is always a serious defect in ones personality.

But is a name which sounds alien to Maltese names should be marginalised in a way that " I have to be careful.

I will just ignore your warning , but you do send a serious warning to many who like you are very intollerant , and this is what brings about this sexual bullying.

You need to learn how to address an issue. I think you need some education on how to argue and present a valid argument.

This is what is wrong with this country that I belong to from generations. It is lack of vision of serious basic human rights.

Unfortunately I have to include your derogatory gonzipn word that delights so many lejber enthusiasts who consider politics as a game of football.

I applaud GONZI PN because this country is respected wherever it is mentioned world wide.

And unless your ideas about comments are heavily directed to a postive arguments , people with your ideas are going to tell the Majority of SANE Maltese to Vote safely GONZI PN again with pleasure.

Good morning to all .

Joe Xuereb

Feb 14th, 17:56

@Mr. Helwani. You are more than entitled to express your opinion, seeing that you are still asserting yourself in my country. So keep them coming. It makes the grey skies decidedly tingle with pink hues. Thank you..

@Scicluna, Wayne. And what makes you think I am, or would be, concerned about your sex-life?
If you understand anything at all of what I write, you would, or should, have got the message that human sexuality is just that. Something that does not go away because it must not, it can not. We are saddled with it whether we like it or not. It is called the Human Condition. How we deal with this is our sole responsibility. I understood this years ago and I have been working on it since and I am coming to grips with it in leaps and bounds. Are you, Scicluna, improving your lot in leaps and bounds? It is your responsibility you know and you are right, none of my concern. As for me being disappointed at your ragingly successful sex-life, don't flatter yourself, although you are so predictably typical. That said, I am mildly intrigued when, when, idiotically enough, you say that violence against people is 'human nature'. Really Scicluna! (I will not call you by your first name as I am not your mate, any more than you could ever be mine. So keep your distance. I am choosey). Then what you say becomes my concern, but of your sex-life I wash my hands. As if I would be interested in that, yuck! I cannot put it more simply than this. If you, Wayne and anybody else, can not, or will not, understand this, from now on you are on your own. These last three words are worth mulling over as therein lies the solution. It is but a start.
So don't forget now. Don't bite off more than you can chew. Here or between the sheets. Or wherever it is you practice your rampant sex-life.

Joe Xuereb

Feb 14th, 13:20

Mr. Helwani, your comments are so amusing. I see you are living here (it sounds like you are living in Malta) but the mindset that was formed wherever it is you come from still has a stranglehold I see. Must do better next time. One word of advice. Be careful how and when you use the word rubbish.

@Scicluna, Wayne. And what makes you think I am, or would be, concerned about your sex-life?
If you understand anything at all of what I write, you would, or should have got the message that human sexuality is just that. Something that does not go away because it must not, it can not. We are saddled with it whether we like it or not. It is called the Human Condition. How we deal with this is our sole responsibility. I understood this years ago and I have been working on it since and I am coming to grips with it in leaps and bounds. Are you Caruana, improving your lot in leaps and bounds? It is your responsibility you know! I cannot put it more simply than this. If you, Wayne and anybody else, can not, or will not, understand this, from now on you are on your own. These last three words are worth mulling over as therein lies the solution. But it is only a start.

wayne scicluna

Feb 14th, 11:58

To all the experts who commented on my posts, sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. When in public, refrain from showing the world how much you love your partner. Thats all. If the maltese think that it is ok to have sex behind cars as previouly stated, there is something seriously wrong in this country.
Oh @Joe Xuereb...sorry to disapoint you mate but no problems at all with my sex life. Not that its your concern anyway.

Hossam Helwani

Feb 14th, 09:06

Malta is a small community and being small has its advandages and disadvantages.

Being gay in such a small community is no easy matter. And for those who dare come out in the open can face a very tough life, they can be cut of from Family and be ostrocised from many other communities they would normally belong to.

There are other stronger characters who defy society and its traditions by coming out with a force which can cause serious repercutions.

They see themselves as challengers who have guts to walk hand in hand and kiss in public where normally these people never see such " abnormal" behaviour.

I think this calls for prudence from both sides. Malta is still not prepared for such a sexual revolution. This calls for Immediate EDUCATION from the very roots.

I am sorry to say that there is a lot of hidden people who scour the net for that extra sexual date with a person of his same sex, while he should be happily married. These are " keeping up appearances",

They are the first to point fingers and send the wrong message to their children, to divert attention from them.

Unfortunately there are more Men doing so with faceless profiles then women. Sorry to sound one sided but this causes a lot of twisted ideas amongst our young.

The pot has a lot of ingredients and sadly the situation this country is facing in human sexual orientation stemms from " wrong family education " the Church" " refusal to accept what is different"

Again Education is the road to a healthy society. If Children are exposed to homophobic comments, what does one expect?

Just think when we were young students the derogatory words we used to hurl to others who looked either effeminate or dared to declare that they like same sex partners.

To all a Happy loving Valentines Day.

Joseph Grech Attard

Feb 14th, 01:49

@Joseph Aquilina
It does not matter which side started the 'insults.'. Two wrongs never make a right. Retribution is not the way to respond either, if one wants to be constructive! Foreplay has never been the argument in the article. Homophobia and violence are! Let us not escape from reality. It is a fact that sexual orientation is still a taboo in Malta, as well as in other countries. And it comes from the more conservative quarters who are not without faults! Homosexuality has been removed from the international list of illnesses long time ago. It is NOT a choice. It's nobody's business what one does sexually in private. In public, norms which are accepted for heterosexuals should and MUST be accepted for homosexuals. Otherwise there would be discrimination, which should be unheard of in a truly democratic country. God creates sexual persons, whether hetero or homo!

Joe Xuereb

Feb 13th, 21:12

Starting from the bottom. What else?!

@Patrick Mulholland, just because you never came across paedophilia condemnation by a homosexual doesn't mean ....... Well, you have now. You must not be selective in what you remember Mulholland. And in your last bit, I DID find it impossible to understand what you were on about. Explain yourself or be forever damned (by little insignificant queer me so don't fret, don't get your knickers in a twist). Mulholland, if you were to use a little bit of lateral thinking, you would realise that Ms Bezzina is right. Again. And you, Mulholland, remain as blinkered thinking as ever. Good luck!
@Joseph Azzopardi. The Church condemns physical attacks on anybody. I SHOULD HOPE SO TOO. But it could never make a special case of homosexuals being attacked because it does not approve of the practice. What this means, Azzopardi, is that the Church, in condemning homosexuality, is giving out the message that homosexuals and their abominations are, abominable. A thug who never goes to church will understand that message, as it suits him, as it is acceptable to assault queers. The Church condemns co-habitees, and divorcees, and single-mothers. But do you know of any aggression towards any of these groups Azzopardi. This is why homophobia is a case apart. And this must be reflected in legislation. Maybe you, and Mulholland will find it difficult to understand this. Oh well! I did my best. The rest is on your conscience - just let it not be self-serving.
@Mulholland(again) and Spiteri. So this is about votes? Get a life! Get an intellect!
GonziPn is quick to talk about dignity. HE will throw it to the people as is his wont.
By now the reader will have realised that I am working on the comments, backwards. As is MY wont.
Those who run scared of any affection that has not procreation as its end result, spout again. They should stick to what they do best which is pretty much nothing. And let people be. Affection between people, of any sort, is in short supply. So let it be. It is NOT your business, your business being murky enough (as in full of bigotry, thinly-veiled hatreds. Did I say thinly?!
V.Cauchi, for such a well-read man(woman?) why the opprobrium dear? What if you or one of yours were homosexual? Happens you know!
@Helwani, Mr. Sweetness himself. No one has the right to use violence, BUT !!!! That BUT (upper case, mind!) says it all. I did notice his imploration for a harmonious world that should not be shaken(?). Which planet are you living on, sweetie?! Dont worry, I would not want to join you. Judging by his name, it is safe to assume that Mr. Sweet is a guest, to many under sufferance. He should try to integrate more. I have said this to him before but he has taken no notice. Oh well!
@Joseph Vassallo(Bugibba). If they are under 18years of age, so what! What are you implying? Even if they were merely holding hands, do you know, Vassallo, how many men would have this as their top fantasy? Hypocrites!

@Oh-so-disgusted Scicluna, Wayne. The problem with your comment is that you are being selective. May I remind you, and anyone else, that a sexual act that does not have procreation as its end aim, is pure pleasure. Done for pleasure (or some gain or other). This reduces the hetero and the homo to a level playing-field. But I guess this reasoning is beyond your ability to understand. I can only do my best.
Homophobia, in Malta, rules OK! It is endorsed by the Church, however tangentially. I understand this. If you dont, that is YOUR problem, not mine.

And before I go. To all those who view homosexuality with opprobrium - nice word, very impressive - I say: 'And what is YOUR sexual problem? A very telling question that needs to be answered with caution. You mean to say you have no sexual issues?! Wonders never cease!

Franco Farrugia

Feb 13th, 19:35

@ Francis Saliba, 12 Feb at 14.28:
'There's no such thing as a 12th-century Taiban.'
Oh yes, there is. And how!

Wally Vella-Zarb

Feb 13th, 18:49

What is really embarrassing is that there are still some people who consider simple demonstrations of affection like a kiss or an embrace in public to be offensive. While one can pity them - if one is so inclined - one is relieved to note that they are, fortunately for our society, a dying breed that is still mired in the taboos of the dark ages.

Joseph Grech Attard

Feb 13th, 17:11

It is worrying why a just and fair article about human dignity is thwarted into becoming an array of personal 'insults,' especially by some who boast of being 'democratic' and 'Christian!' Violence, in very form, including psychological (at times known as harassment), is wrong, no matter how the other person/persons are behaving. There are other more democratic and humane means to disapprove of things that are contrary to one's 'moral' values. "He (or she) without fault cast the first stone." The elders left first. This means a lot! Let us use one weight and one measure. Let us not soften this horrible crime of a young person against another one. These are fascist/extreme right measures which should be nothing but condemned with the strongest of wills. There should be no 'cunning' excuses!

Joseph Aquilina

Feb 13th, 16:38

I have no problem with public affection, but there is a difference between public affection (ex: a kiss, holding handsm etc.) and “public” foreplay ... regardless of the couple sexual orientation!!

Carmel Farrugia

Feb 13th, 14:49

Both gay and hetrosexual couples should limit their show of affection when in public places particularly in places which are fequented by young vulnerable children. It is becoming too frequent when going for walks in public places with children to see couples, both gay and hetrosexual, in embarrassing embraces

Mr Duncan Scerri

Feb 13th, 14:34

One really should not be surprised when the Catholic religion describes homosexuality as an abomination. Whilst the church continues to spew its Iron Age dogma, we will keep seeing such events.

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 13th, 14:28

@ Franco Farrugia ( 13 Feb at 13:50)

You insinuate that I am " ...some wild, 12th-century Taliban ..." and all because I mentioned the desirability of exercising civil restraint in the exercise of public demonstration of affections that other members of the public find distasteful.

You are obviously persisting in your habit of deliberately insulting others when you find yourself unable to argue your point reasonably. That is a frame of mind that reflects badly on you, not your victim. You belong to a class of people who never learn. Can't be helped.

P.S. There is no such thing as a 12TH CENTURY TALIBAN.

Nathalie Frendo

Feb 13th, 14:18

We still have to come a long way to accept gays in this country. It has taken us very long to accepth the disabled In this day and age many still think that being gay is ksuhat. Maybe there are a few who try to riducle this orientation and in so doing they strenghten the belief that gay is something one choses to be. Live and let live is what we should learn

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 13th, 14:02

@ Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti (13 Feb at 11:30)

You suffer from a worrying obsession with lying in ambush excitedly waiting for my comments and immediately launching an unprovoked attack without allowing yourself enough time to understand and digest what I had written.

I did not say anywhere that ALL public demonstrations of affection are provocative. So please cease wondering about my “warped morality”. There are different ways of demonstrating affection in public, some of which are not provocative at all. Other PDAs are provocative to some people but not to others. There are notorious people for whom anything goes whilst most other people are inclined to be more choosy.

Please, stop contradicting yourself in the same paragraph, as when you write “Violence against gay men IS NOT sex related” and immediately afterwards you write that the violence “IS related to a person's sexual orientation”. Such mental acrobatics may cause you an injury and, in any case, they are not conducive to any clear exposition of any other point you may be trying to make, for example, your irrelevant diversions into early Christianity, its relations to Roman Emperors, the primacy of Peter, Petrine succession and Rome as a centre of a Catholicism that is UNiVERSAL.

m. borg (slm)

Feb 13th, 13:37

More than physical attacks those of a psychological ones are even worse, just like the one we had a few months back when a gay person simply because he could not identify himself with a certain group was psychologically attacked with police action on him and his family.
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There is more to gay bashing than meets the eyes and certain people who advocate and promise better protecting laws seem to forget that under their patronage gay people have been emotionally attacked from all quarters even by the most of vile blockers on the island.

James Tyrrell

Feb 13th, 13:17

It has been announced today that the two girls themselves are expected to charged with breaching the public peace and making obscene gestures at their attackers. Apparently they are to be charged after their attackers filed a police report against them. No doubt this is a ploy by the brothers defence to get the charges reduced to a knock for knock situation and therefore dismissed.

carmel muscat

Feb 13th, 13:16

ma nistax nifem kif hafna qedin jaqbzu ghal vitmi u hadt ma ikundanhom ghal kliem oxxen li qallu jew qallet lid driver taf xnaf li jien nejd ghalija ma insibiex sew li il gays joqodu jitbewsu specjalment quddiem il minorelli ghax anke lilna il kbar iqazzu ahseb u ara liz zar limsiken mhux il gays imma dawk li dahlu f hafna vizjijiet u ma hargux minhom u min ghandu moh jifhem ghal xix qed nirreferi - - - -- -

V. Cauchi

Feb 13th, 13:11

Let us all remember, lawmakers included, there is such a thing as we call public morality and children who are minors. It is one thing going to watch an uncensured or self-censured film or play, knowing what you are exposing yourself to, and another having minor children on the street (or should they be on a leash?) coming across public acts of affection, or being made aware of the subject of homophobia (as the MGRM wants) at school.

Government and the Police are there to protect public morality as emerging from various acts of legislation prohibiting immoral acts and providing for "ordre public". Let us know where government, or a party, stands on public morality before the elections and let politicians be aware that for every vote they think getting for moral liberality, more votes may be lost for their seemingly popular stance.

E Schembri

Feb 13th, 13:07

At my place of work I am constantly verbally abused and mocked because of my Catholic faith.

Should a peaceful protest be organized for specific laws to protect Catholics from hardcore atheists (who are growing in numbers)?

What about old people who are the most vulnerable sector of society, shall we pass specific laws for them too?

Or is this just another opportunity for the Gay movement to victimize themselves in order to gain preferential treatment???

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 13th, 13:01

@ Mike Hunt ( 13 Feb at 10:28)

What useful contribution to my comment do you intend to make by your "Oh my, oh my" please?

In answer to your silly question, NO, I do not consider "holding hands" by any two persons in any way provocative - but I would not dream to impose my standard of civil behaviour on you or anybody else. At the same time I would request you, most respectfully, not to try to impose any different standard you may possess on anyone else. Thank you, very much.



Oh my oh my ... and what do you consider as provocative demonstration of sex affection? Holding hands?

Stephen Farrugia

Feb 13th, 12:47

Violence in any way should never be tollerated.. but people do not blame each other for being "sexist" and prejudice against homosexuals.. blame certain individuals who, although WE tolerate homosexuality, disrespect the homosexual community.

Some people that claim to be from the north (cuz for me there's no such thing as north as south... in this little rock we got) Claim that since I'm from 'the south' , i'm a chav, a "hamallu" ....... and why is that? Because of certain individuals that disrespect us, and give us a 'stigma' ... this stigma - in relation to homosexuals - is given by the "hamalli" of the community.... yes, I know MANY gay people... hamalli and not.... But you know what I hate the most?

Keep your sexuality to yourself - Kiss in public, and if people look at you wrongly,it's because they HATE public display of affection. Whenever I see 2 people kissing in the middle of the street, I say to myself - get a room... But if they're gay... then they can, cuz saying the least thing would be considered sexist.

Also, If you want people to respect your sexuality - RESPECT OTHER'S!!! ... This goes to the lesbians especially. You are a 'small community' but a majority of you believe that if you see a heterosexual girl, you can (using your language) "Convert her" ... that's wrong - Let people live - If they like you, then let them Like you as you are. This happens to Homosexual men as well. Do you see a woman forcing you to be straight? No.

Now, I'm targeting the minority of this community - But you know why? Because I hate people saying "msieken ghax gays" jew "msiekena ghax lizbjani" ... they're NOT imsieken by chance... We're not sexist here in Malta, except for certain laws which are changing - BUT - Protect your own integrity by protecting your community first. So that if someone says "miskin ghax gay" , you tell them "Miskin ghala?"

That said;

I really wish these persons who did this despicable act to pay dearly for this crime.

Ms.D. Galea

Feb 13th, 12:46

If someone beats me up will I get any media mileage if I claim that I was attacked simply for being white , heterosexual and Roman Catholic?

Ms.D. Galea

Feb 13th, 12:44

Whoever committed that violence hates women.

wayne scicluna

Feb 13th, 12:37

The study showed that one in every 10 gay people is subjected to some form of violence because of their sexual orientation....well that is human nature. The odd one out is more likely to be harassed and as such, should be prepared for it. We have gay rights, black rights, disabled rights, women's rights ect...I wonder were Joe Public's rights went? Bottom line is, should a person who utilises public transport or visits a public area have to watch and endure personal disgusting displays of affection? No. There is a time and a place for that. As the British would say "Get a room".

Joseph Vassallo, (Bugibba)

Feb 13th, 12:17

Can anyone explain the legal implications? Both these girls are under-18s so doesn't that constitute illegal carnal knowledge?

Joseph Grech Attard

Feb 13th, 12:11

Despite our Christian values, violence in our country is increasing. Homophobic-related violence is rarely reported because of the prejudice and judgments of a lot of our citizens. some even say "Serves them right." Gays and lesbians can not kiss or hold hands in public, while everybody else can. Legislation is long overdue. "Seddaq il-ghaqda fost il-Maltin u ... s-SLIEM."

Mario Pace

Feb 13th, 11:28

Violence against homosexuals is already illegal. This is just an excuse to outlaw criticism of homosexuality so as to implement the Gay Agenda, unopposed.

It's a well thought strategy.

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 13th, 11:08

@ Mr Josph Carmel Checuti. (13 Feb at 09:51)

Don't we all know who are the "Maltese" who after abandoning their homeland residence and after abandoning its official religion never miss an opportunity to "drag the name of Malta ... through the mud of international affairs" and who are always on the look out for any possible excuse to besmirch Malta's present government and Malta's religious establishments! That is the reason why you appeal that " ... The gay and lesbian movement in Malta should make sure that attacks like these are publicised worldwide" rather than any more effective local measures. The name of the game is to drag the name of Malta through the mud, locally and abroad, rather than to improve conditions in Malta.

Hossam Helwani

Feb 13th, 10:49

No one has the right to use violence, BUT !!!!

it is known world wide that lesbians act in a very masculine and bullying manner when in the presence of other men. It is wrong to generalise but Gay men tend to incline towards effeminism and even imitate females. Nothing wrong with it, but in the opposite way lesbians tend to show how strong they are , and can be very provocative in the presence of very butch straight males.

Straight males need to accept the fact that females are not exclusive property, and everyone should be allowed to live in harmony. There is no such thing as gay rights! These are a fantasy. There is such a thing as human rights and should belong to all.

Why is this division between gays lesbians straight? Gays should respect society and it is distastefull when they try to show us that they exist. Human attraction is open to all , and if there is homophobia it should be removed by EDUCATION.
Humanity should be taught that there is such a thing called Unity in Diversity. There should be no pointing of fingers. Humans should learn to respect every opinion, every human orientation and every idea and style that comes from others as long as it respects humanity in all its form and nature.

It is becoming very common that gays like to advertise something which disturbs and can be distastefull in a harmonious society.

Gays have all the rights by nature to live they way their nature dictates as long as society is in harmony.

No one has the right to point any finger just because one is gay or discriminated because he is gay. Sexual discrimination is a serious crime and should be heavily punished.

Gays should keep in mind that by being flamboyant in a society where such education is not as strong , they should be prudent enough to behave accordingly to the climate of the day.
Human respect is a virtue, and one has to live with the acceptance that every one is different and beautiful in his own way.

V. Cauchi

Feb 13th, 10:30

An interesting story appears on today's Corriere della Sera on what Pdl senator Carlo Giovanardi had to say about public manifestations of homosexual affection.
http://www.corriere.it/politica/12_febbraio_12/giovanardi-gay_1682e9a8-55bf-11e1-9c86-f77f3fe7445c.shtml

It looks like the same story is repeating itself all over the world (I have seen other articles) and that two words currently fill the opposite pans of the balance: homophobia and opprobrium.

Like a great silent majority I am on the opprobrium side, but certainly that does not mean I condone violence.

Charles Micallef

Feb 13th, 10:20

Well done Amy, the civil society of thIs country is proud of you and your actions!

Francis Saliba M.D.

Feb 13th, 10:09

All violence, especially sex related violence. must be opposed in a civil manner by every decent member of society. At the same time an appeal must be made for a civil non-provokative restraint in any public demonstration of sex affection.

Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti

Feb 13th, 09:51

It is only after the name of Malta is dragged through the mud of international affairs that this government will act. So far all we have is an instruction from the Prime Minister to the Justice Minister to review hate crime, a measure that he should have taken a long time ago. Calls for human dignity are hollow when they come from the PN and conservative gay men and lesbians who seek to compensate for their sexuality by appearing to be more conservative than is necessary. The gay and lesbian movement in Malta should make sure that attacks like these are publicised worldwide.

silvio loporto

Feb 13th, 09:36

AS for the Arriva incident, shouldn't we wait for the court,to decide, who hit who,before jumping to conclusions?
The Gay movment must not be allowed to use this incident to portray themsleves as victims.

A Spiteri

Feb 13th, 09:32

Hamrun Attack: The police later said the boys would be charged in court for attacking and injuring the girls.

Bus Attack: The latter development followed a second incident that came to light on February 6 when an Arriva bus driver was sacked for assaulting two women

justice done right? so what's this revolution all about?!

i tell you what it is...exploiting any incident that might include gays in order to push for special minority rights to the detriment of individual rights. and of course we have the political parties jumping on any occasion to support this campaign, as it means an opportunity to grab thousands of votes!

Alison Bezzina

Feb 13th, 09:25

With The Church discriminating against homosexuals and getting away with, and people still linking homosexuality to peadophilia...as can be seen from the comments below my latest blog http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120211/blogs/children-of-god.406307 - it's surprising that there aren't even more of these vile attacks!!!