Realta' editor's acquittal - 'Writers are now freer than ever'
Editor Mark Camilleri (left) and author Alex Vella Gera.
The explicit story was reported to the police by the University authorities, allegedly by the University Rector, Juanito Camilleri.
On March 14 last year, Magistrate Audrey Demicoli found that the law did not provide a clear definition of what is obscene and that the prosecution did not provide enough evidence to show how the story offended public morals.
After being acquitted Mr Camilleri had said the rector should consider his position.
JOINT STATEMENT
In a statement today, Mark Camilleri and Alex Vella Gera thanked their lawyers, Philip Manduca and Alex Sciberras.
"We are satisfied with the verdict because it has freed the local literary scene from the threat of prosecution and the danger of self censorship. Maltese writers are now freer than ever.
"Nonetheless this does not mean that the laws with which we have been prosecuted are justified. No Minister, Magistrate, Attorney General or Police officer has the right to give an absolute definition of art and distinguish it from other material. Thus we hope that our verdict has strengthened the case in favour of a reform in censorship laws," said said.
They also thanked Alternattiva Demokratika, MP Owen Bonnici, the Front Against Censorship and all the writers who testified in their defence.
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David Vella
Feb 9th, 23:49
More venom injected into our society thanks to two amateurs and the pateticness of the heqqhimm professionals (those responsible for defending our society).
Joe Xuereb
Feb 9th, 14:45
@Alfred Grech. Let them be decent, you say.
Listen Alfred, when a man and a woman get down to make a baby, do you think the practical side is done with their hands wrapped up in tissue paper? And do you think that any verbal exchanges are wrapped up in sweet nothings with not a four-letter word to be heard. Of course there are holier-than-thous people who do behave like this to please the Church/so as not to wake up the other nine kids/so as not to frighten the neighbours(or make them jealous/or make the neighbours report them for indecent exposure. You know what Mr. Grech, it is a minor miracle if these decent people ever manage to raise enough oomph! to make a child. Alfred, do not be upset, please! We are only talking of God's way of increasing his population. As we say, the more the merrier.
To the rest. This is a first step towards Malta emerging out of cultural doldrums. Be grateful! I know some of you won't be. But we live in a democracy where reason wins hands down. Because there is no other choice. God gave us a brain. Let us use it. And it is a futile exercise to make a herring taste like strawberries and cream just because a herring tastes terrible. If it's God made, it HAS to be good surely. And any raunchiness is more than likely a minor rebellion, a reaction, against the Catholic guilt around things corporal, piled high to shame us. That is all it is. God created the procreation process, perfect by definition mechanically speaking because it delivers. Popular culture, with the Church behind it (it gets in everywhere) does everything in its power to sanitize it. Given that the Church is God is the Church, there is a contradiction there somewhere. Advise me if you must, but please, don't tell me that a herring should/must taste of strawberries. Because sex, and childbirth, is dirty. Not a pretty sight. But necessary. Period.
M Borg
Feb 10th, 10:46
What a round about way for saying " anything goes " !
Sex is not dirty , it is people who make it dirty . As you said God created the procrestion process, but I am sure that you know that we are not the only species on earth who are " programmed to procreate ".
However, unlike other species, we happen to have a brain. Now if some of us prefer to behave like animals that is another story.
The trouble in the world we are living in is that many are only going after the "oomph " as you put it. They do not give a damn about their actions and the consequences that follow their actions. Now if you think that this is the way to go, that is your reasoning. I hope that many will not agree with you.
Living one's life without any extremes will still make one taste " herring as herring and stwawberries as strawberries "
It is only when one's brain is dulled by other things that one finds ii difficult to distingush taste.
Mr Stephen Camilleri
Feb 9th, 08:24
The courts, police, university rector…, all humiliated by two young students when all they wanted to was to express their beliefs without restrictions. What an embarrassment!!!
Andy Farrugia
Feb 9th, 14:25
Students? Who? The "author" , Vella Gera? I don't think he would be too pleased with you calling him that! As if?
M Borg
Feb 9th, 15:19
I woukld be the one to be embarrassed if I behaved like the character in this story.
So can you really say that " all they wanted was to express their beliefs. " ? The University rector was only doing his duty he has nothing to be embarrassed of.
Josef Borg
Feb 9th, 06:46
Hello Malta. Welcome to year 2012 A.D.
Alfred Grech
Feb 9th, 00:02
Let all writers have freedom but let all also exercise a sense of decency.
Joe Xuereb
Feb 8th, 18:32
What does it take to understand that raunchy words used in context are very normal (and a reference to the Bible and its contents is not inappropriate). Li Tkisser Sewwi is a work of fiction and had the author used euphemisms in order to respect the sensitivities of many in Malta, the result would have been a lost moral message, one reduced to a farce to boot.
A printed warning of the contents on the front cover would be a red rag to a bull. The shares in this piece of breakthrough Maltese literature would soar. So, no warning necessary. People either read or they don't. There is no law that says one has to pick up the book and read, never mind act on what there is therein), or indeed to choose to ignore it. If some skrupluz happens to come across such a work, s/he can start reading and discard it as rubbish at the first sight of a four-letter word. They can always award themselves a favour and reason that works of literature have to be taken in context whatever the storyline. Or they can continue to maintain this is filth. We've always got a choice.
Purity of whatever for its own sake is fine taken at face value. The problem is - what happens when the pure comes up against life's nasty but perfectly normal surprises. Oh well! there is always the cotton-wool we can wrap ourselves in. And remain forever babes in swaddling cotton- wool.
I will not bother to list the great works of literature from Classical times to this day that were instructive, real and at times, amusing. It would be churlish to condemn the writers whose names have survived time itself. Vella Gera's name will go down in the history of Maltese literature. And the Rector's too but only in a footnote.
@Joseph Aquilina(15:39). Joe, if you stood in front of a policeman and swore you would be carted off to Mount Carmel. Because your swearing would lack the necessary picturesque spontaneity, being instead contrived and merely conjured up to shock and therefore false. Take a hundred lines, 'I must see things in context'. And I don't mean swearing because someone jumped the queue at the bus-stop. That is best resolved with some rage management training, so in short supply in Malta. Where reason never had a look-in.
Giov DeMartino
Feb 8th, 17:58
Il-huta minn rasha tinten!
Emanuel Farrugia
Feb 8th, 18:24
Mela mhux bhali, Demartino, ghax jien minn naha ohra tohrog ir-riha tintenn. Tista tghidilna x 'ridt tfisser bil-kumment tieghek peress li ahna m'ahniex intelligenti daqshekk ?
Mario Farrugia
Feb 8th, 17:57
Much ado about nothing!
Colin Stanley
Feb 8th, 16:07
I think every one should have a copy of this book by his bedside just in case, for reference. and another thing in a few years time it will be a collecter's item, and be very valuable.
Andy Farrugia
Feb 8th, 16:20
Book? It's a short story, printed on one tabloid-sized sheet of a uni rag. "Collector's item.......very valuable"? Very tongue-in-cheek; extremely witty!
Emanuel Farrugia
Feb 8th, 17:41
I prefer Lady Chattterley's Lover by my bedside, but I will take your advice and see if I can buy or somehow obtain a copy of this Book. Now that the author and Printer have both had a favourable decision from the Court case and subsequent appeal, my mind is at rest that the obscenities will not corrupt me the same way I managed to avoid with Lady Chatterley's Lover.
m. borg (slm)
Feb 8th, 16:02
Justice has been served, Malta has entered into the 21st Century at last.
Andy Farrugia
Feb 8th, 15:49
Folks, this case should NEVER have ended up in a court of law. Unfortunately, many people have not yet realised the power of ridicule, sarcasm, mockery and derision in dealing with such cases. For instance, look at the photo that accompanies this thread; take a good look at these characters, their body language, their aura of self-importance. On the left we have a post-modern reincarnation of Trotsky - suitably attired with jacket and tie, while on the right we have the verbo-kinesic presence of a literary genius. Monumental!
Alex Vella Gera
Feb 8th, 18:38
"verbo-kinesic presence"
haha
I think in this case you're the genius Andy.
Andy Farrugia
Feb 8th, 21:47
Ooops, must have touched some raw nerve! Yep, at times I do dabble in wordsmithing, though have to admit that compared to "iz-zghozija teghreq u tnixxi hamranija" (or something like that) my puerile efforts pale into insignificance.
P. Vincenti
Feb 8th, 15:29
I believe that the rubbish that was written was not worth the effort and the publicity it was given.
I have read parts of the paper in question. I find it very poor in imagination and rich in sexual fantasies that allude to an immature look at life and relation ships.
The sort of cheap publication one can buy off newsstands in London. I expect that this person will look back at what he has written when he mature somewhat and blush.
M Abdilla
Feb 8th, 15:42
So I imagine you are quite the writer yourself?
Wally Vella-Zarb
Feb 8th, 16:02
It is all a matter of opinion. Many people consider most of what you have written in the past months to be pure and unadulterated rubbish. Understandably, you would think otherwise...probably.
Rocco Camilleri
Feb 8th, 16:04
Thats it P.Vincenti. When one lose his blushing from his face, resort / able to do anything as common creatures do ( animals) .
Rocco Camilleri
Feb 8th, 15:27
Hoping now that authors does not exceed the limits. Something clear has to be inscripted in our laws to define exactly what is obscene and what is not to strenghten the future society and not make it less affair.
Joe Xuereb
Feb 8th, 15:21
@M.Borg. Emotive choice of word, minors. By which I think you mean young people who are minors but old enough to be reading something or other at the University. People are sexual being well before their fourteenth year and these minors you are talking about a somewhat older than that. Surely as such, they would be capable of understanding the machinations of human sexuality. Learning in context. It is not like they are forced to DO anything. It is education that does the trick Borg, not keep it clean at all costs and you will live a wonderful life. As my mother used to say to us kids, il-hazin tajjeb tkun tafu. Hazin meta toprah. And believe me, there is nothing wrong in Li tkisser sewwi(if ever there was a moral in a title, this has to be it. But then I awarded myself the sacrosanct luxury to mature and I am soaring still). Not if one is just sweet sixteen and going on mature. Because context is everything. Unfortunately it is not an automatic given. And you, M. Borg, would not have it any other way and, in so doing, hold as back? The Court has ruled. Get over it!
Ronald Cauchi
Feb 8th, 15:16
The Rector of the University should have used his common sense and rather than picking on an archaic law just to please a few fundamentalist bigots, he should have let the matter die a natural death. Instead he and the Attorney General decied to make a dog's dinner out of it. Now both of them have egg on their faces.Whether He/They resign or not is irrelevant. it will not make either of them look any better in our eyes.
Joseph Aquilina
Feb 8th, 15:39
Fundamentalist bigots are people who have values? People who believe there is ways and ways how to say the same thing? Lately I have seen that those who call themselves liberal are indeed much more fundamentalist then those who have values!! Having said that I personally to not agree with the Judge decision. If I go in front a police officer and I swear I get fined. Then what is the difference from saying something out loud and printing something and giving it for free?
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Feb 8th, 15:07
You may notice that they did not thank the NP - which at that time, before the divorce referendum gaffe, kept quiet because it's conservative wing probably approved the action taken by the police against these two gentlemen. Now that they have realised that they are out of touch with reality, the NP has suddently decided to act all liberal and wants to revise the obscenity laws. How is that for convenience?
Alfred Bugeja
Feb 8th, 15:06
The only resignations that are called for in this case are those of Magistrate Audrey Demicoli and Mr. Justice David Scicluna for completely missing the wood for the tree in these judgements.
The latter had even gone as far as saying that Junior College students (who can be as young as 15) are mature enough to read such material. One wonders why we don't give the vote to 15-year-olds while we're at it.
The whole point of the argument was that this material was made available to barely-pubescent children in a public school. That cannot be denied no matter how the defending lawyers try to slice it.
m. borg (slm)
Feb 8th, 16:06
Mr Bugeja it looks like you live in a world of your own , today even 12 year olds can give yoy lessons on subjects that 30 or even 20 years ago were taboo.
As far as I know Junior college is made up of 16 year olds, hardly any 15 year olds do their O level matsec I believe they are not even allowed to sit for them at that age.
Alfred Bugeja
Feb 8th, 16:41
@mborg
Please check your facts before submitting comments.
Students can sit for MATSEC examinations during the year when they are due to turn 16, not after they turn 16. So in effect, one eighth of the Junior College population would only be 15 years old at the start of a scholastic year.
Wally Vella-Zarb
Feb 8th, 17:51
So, Mr Bugeja, would you really describe the students at Junior College who "would only be 15 years old at the start of a scholastic year" as being "barely-pubescent children"??? I would say that, at that age, most of them will already have been sexually active.
J. Tanti
Feb 8th, 14:49
I cannot understand all these comments from people stating that the University rector should resign over the incident.
The acquittal was based on the premise that a clear definition of obscenity does not exist in law. The editor and writer deemed the piece not obscene; others begged to differ (such as the ones who complained about it to the rector, thus soliciting his intervention); that’s where the courts come into play. If this whole story should teach us something, it is to keep definitions of legal terms (and the laws themselves, for that matter) current.
P. S. Was a short descriptor of the subject matter included ahead of the piece, advising reader caution? It is common to find such warnings ahead of non-mainstream stories. They help people form their own judgement ahead of reading something they may not necessarily expect to find in a particular paper.
Wally Vella-Zarb
Feb 8th, 15:54
"Was a short descriptor of the subject matter included ahead of the piece, advising reader caution?"
What an excellent idea! I remember seeing a book, many years ago, that was full of stories about rape, incest, murder, sodomy, mayhem, infanticide ... and worse. Hardly stuff that ought to be within reach of some impressionable adults, let alone minors. I am pretty sure that this book did not have a warning note, as per your suggestion, that advised caution. The name of the book? If I remember correctly, it was called 'The Bible', or something like that ...
J. Tanti
Feb 8th, 17:05
@ Wally Vella-Zarb
Is the Bible a newly published short story? Hardly... and given its longevity, multi-media adaptations and hype, whether in favour or against, it is highly unlikely that it will take anyone by surprise.
Was the subject matter of Mr. Vella Gera's short story widely known to the student population - the target audience - at the point of dissemination? If not, then a short descriptor was definitely needed.
Jay Oatmon
Feb 8th, 14:48
Why is the AG office wasting time on this victimless 'crime' when the courts are letting career criminals free on suspended sentences - wake up Malta!
Alison Bezzina
Feb 8th, 14:34
It's been a good month for writers and journalists.....
HERE'S ANOTHER VICTORY WORTH TALKING ABOUT
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120204/blogs/a-victory-worth-talking-about.405266
Andy Farrugia
Feb 8th, 15:19
Oh, most definitely, Li Tkisser Sewwi is really worth talking about! Perhaps someone might consider organising a musico-literary evening for the cognoscenti to wax lyrical about it.
Adrian Gouder
Feb 8th, 14:15
What a shame! The problem is not within the text itself, but the medium used and its intended and possible audience. Are we to expect that anyone can write like that on any media, there were it can be read by those too young to be critical? The point is he should not be found guilty of publishing the text, but of publishing it in a magazine reachable by children, and which is normally clean of this sort of 'whatever'. After this, well, I hope the editor gets fired - or is this not in the University's jurisdiction either?
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Feb 8th, 15:09
Since when are university students 'children'? They are young adults and should be treated as such. Chlldren honestly!
Alfred Dimech
Feb 8th, 16:19
@Mr. Camilleri.
But the audience wasn't restricted to university students. The papers were left in a location open to all, without anybody controlling who took a copy!
Chris Mifsud
Feb 8th, 14:00
Its amazing that even in the year 2012 there are still some people such as some commenting here that believe that if something offends them (i can't see why if they are not mentioned in whatever is supposed to be offending them) or they find something to be immoral or against their religious beliefs then it should be banned.
I couldn't care less about religion, but even if i did, if reading or looking at something bothers me then i won't read or look at it. Very simple really. That goes for films, plays, books, stories, porn and anything else.
J. Debono
Feb 8th, 14:32
I am not against the article.
What I'm against is its free distribution. to all University students.
pat muscat
Feb 8th, 13:34
Dahlet xi ziffa mit-tieqa tal-gemb ghax xi hadd nesa jghalaqa! Veru l-PN huwa'the liberal party', bhal ma thobb tippriedka blogger 'sappi tutto' u l-akkolti taghha!
M Borg
Feb 8th, 13:34
@ M Grima
@ Kieth Muscat
Before sending people to North Korea or any othet place , maybe you should read what the " First Amendment " in America says about this situation. :----
May a public school official legally censor a school-sponsored publication, like a newspaper or yearbook?
It depends. If the school has by policy or practice turned the school-sponsored publication into a public forum, or a place traditionally open to the free exchange of ideas, then the school has less authority to censor content.
However, most school newspapers are not public forums, and because of a 1988 Supreme Court decision, school officials generally have broad leeway to censor school-sponsored publications.
In Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, the high court ruled that school officials can censor school-sponsored publications if their decision is “reasonably related to a legitimate pedagogical purpose.” This means school officials must show that they have a reasonable educational reason for censoring the material.
The high court gave several examples of material that could be censored based on a reasonable educational purpose, including material that is “ungrammatical, poorly written, inadequately researched, biased or prejudiced, vulgar or profane, or unsuitable for immature audiences.”
The newspaper Realta was in the hands of minors so the last part of the above " unsuitable for immature audience " applies.
Unless you are now going to say that America is in the Middle Ages you must now realise that the Rector had every right to act the way he did. As always in Malta we always go one better and write the rules.
Wally Vella-Zarb
Feb 8th, 14:21
You are missing one significant point. What you have quoted relates to "school-sponsored publications". As far as I am aware, "Realtá" is not sponsored by the university and therefore the high court ruling "that school officials can censor school-sponsored publications if their decision is “reasonably related to a legitimate pedagogical purpose.” " would not apply. Sorry!
Mr L Vella
Feb 8th, 14:21
You probably don't know that Realta' isn't a school sponsored newspaper. You're welcome.
You should also know that Hazelwood School District is not a university.
Alfred Bugeja
Feb 8th, 14:47
Yes M Borg.
I guess that @MGrima and @Keith Muscat would feel right at home living in a wooden shack spank in the middle of a savannah or the Amazon. It's the closest they could get to living by the law of the jungle which they seem to be so passionate about.
Alfred Dimech
Feb 8th, 13:01
I could never understand this case. Mr. Camilleri was charged with publishing obscenities in Realta'. Surely this isn't the issue here. The issue is that the paper was put within the grasp of minors (and the university campus is in accessible to minors).
So by extrapolation are advertising companies allowed to use obscene material in their adverts? Are TV ratings also pointless then?
m. borg (slm)
Feb 8th, 16:08
TV ratings (not those of Malta) are not pointless , the difference is that those of Malta are still stuck in the 60s
George Calleja
Feb 8th, 12:48
Prosit lil Qorti li qed thalli dawk il-kitbiet oxxeni ghaddejjin lixxa. Veru llum kollox huwa permess li jghaddi qisu xejn mhu xejn. Imbaghad niskantaw bl-incidenti tal-Hamrun u x-xufier ta l-Arriva. Kif dejjem insostni Malta marret il-bahar bl-iskuza ta liberta ta l-espressjoni. Gharukasa!!! Min fuq issa nghajtu li r-Rettur ghandu jirrezenja!! Prosit tassew!!
Keith Muscat
Feb 8th, 13:14
Some people (like you) would be better off in North Korea.
Mark Frankalanza
Feb 8th, 13:21
L incidenti tal Hamrun u x xufier ta l Arriva huma propju RIZULTAT ta nuqqas ta' possibilita' ta' liberta tal-espressjoni u l mohh mghaluq li ghad hawn. Jiddispjacini nghidlek li qed tikkontradixxi lilek innifsek fl istess kumment li ghamilt int stess!!! Bhalissa qedin fil bahar, u mhux morna l bahar.
M Grima
Feb 8th, 12:34
Could the Attorney General give us a detailed account of how much this absurd case and the respective appeal cost the tax payer? Even if it cost one Euro the AG should consider handing in his resignation for wasting our resources in such a manner. The rector, Juanito Camilleri should follow suit for blowing this matter and for convinving the police (are'nt they supposed to chase real criminals?) and the AG that these two students shopuld be punished for their cultural actions. But, I guess in the land of Mickey Mouse nothing of the sort will happen?
Franco Farrugia
Feb 8th, 18:13
I agree. A question that should be asked.
Emanuel Farrugia
Feb 8th, 12:29
Now I am beginning to understand what the Hon. Dr. Franco Debono meant when he said that the PN Government is an Oligarchy. So there was some meaning in his allegations after all. So that's why some people support the PN, NOT through conviction but for convenience.
Valerie Calleja
Feb 8th, 12:28
The entire episode offended me and my family.Since we live and pay taxes here,we have as much right as any one else to an opinion.Obscenity and filth offendes me and my family.
A D'Ascola
Feb 8th, 12:47
Did someone force you to read it? If so, that someone should be taken to court.....otherwise, pay taxes, live and let live and grow up!
Emanuel Farrugia
Feb 8th, 12:57
Dear madam, you have every right to an opinion but now please note that the Maltese Court has given it's verdict. Why should you and your family feel offended, he did not mention you personally did he. So you pay taxes like me, so what. What has paying taxes got to do with having a correct or MISTAKEN opinion. The Maltese Court has declared it is NOT an obscenity and it is not filth. What goes on between the sheets is not filth. So unless you have some other reason than taxes, your opinion should now be rearranged I believe.
Ramon Casha
Feb 8th, 13:05
Have you ever considered NOT READING material that offends or upsets you? It works surprisingly well.
william cauchi
Feb 8th, 13:24
Dear Valerie, nobody is forcing you or your family into reading Realta like nobody would ever force you to read Lady Chatterley's Lover.
You do it if you wish.
We always think that the world today is very advanced in so called risque art. But in actual fact in some lines we are going fast in reverse.
Just look at David's statue (with all his assets in full view) in Florence which was erected in a public square fin the year 1504 and would have happen if some thing similar happened today in Malta in 2012. What would happen to our Michelangelo????
Wally Vella-Zarb
Feb 8th, 14:10
@ William Cauchi
You do not need to go far for your answer. When you are next in Valletta, pay a visit to the courtyard at the President’s Palace. ‘Il-Ġgant tal-Palazz’ was not always endowed with that silly leaf…. ;-)
Joe Xuereb
Feb 8th, 12:24
I congratulate Alex Vella Gera and Mr. Camilleri for bringing Maltese society forward by more than just a notch. Thank you. To anyone still in doubt I say - there is nothing wrong in raunchy language in literature as long as it is read in context. If I want a 'clean' read I have a choice of so many and most importantly, Cinderella. Where the Prince and Miss now Mrs. Cinders lived happily ever after. And had plenty of kids no doubt and for that they had to get down and dirty. I mean, virgin births are all very well but repeated amongst commoners, the phenomenon loses is impact. The Church is currently apologising in profusion over child-abuse. And maybe the Rector could take the cue and do likewise. And I for one will forgive him. I am not a hard taskmaster, not I!
Ramon Casha
Feb 8th, 12:08
Congratulations to Mark and Alex, well done to their legal team and the magistrates in question.
I wonder how much money has been wasted on this witch-hunt - both by the taxpayer and the two victims.
I believe that the Attorney General should tender his resignation, but more importantly, I call on our lawmakers to revise existing and planned legislation which gives the AG excessive power, such as discretion in deciding whether to charge people and under which court, etc.
Francis Farrugia
Feb 8th, 12:02
U HALLUNA. MA TARAWX LI HADD MHU SER JIRRIZNJA. GHALINA IL-MALTIN DIN IL-KELMA ``RIZENJA`` LA FIHA SUGU, LA TIFSIRA U LANQAS TEZISTI FIL-LINGWA MALTIJA. DIN IL-KELMA HADD MA JAF BIHA U HADD QATT MA SEMAHHA. HA..HA..HA.........
Joseph Aquilina
Feb 8th, 12:22
Why should he resign. He did his job.
Mr Albert Dimech
Feb 8th, 11:59
Well done to these courageous lads. Yes, the rector is in hot water and should have never taken such a vile step. Universities in democratic and modern countries do not act in this unbelievable manner. The rector has been recently confirmed in his post, well should we expect the minister's resignation now? In coco land perhaps.
Emanuel Farrugia
Feb 8th, 11:57
" After being acquitted Mr. Camilleri had said the rector should consider his position ". You mean resign. Are you kidding ! Under this Government, nobody has to resign especially if he was handpicked for his job.
Charles W. Sammut
Feb 8th, 11:50
What an utter waste of public money. Not to mention the harassment that these two gentlemen were subjected to.
Now, whoever instigated this charade in the first place, should either pay the expenses incurred or resign.
Ms Maria Vella
Feb 8th, 11:59
Why because we are trying to uphold some values? also we live in a free and democratic country too
A D'Ascola
Feb 8th, 12:09
Same old Maria, always closed in a box!
Dorielle Soler
Feb 8th, 12:16
I'm neutral on this topic, as there is much to consider carefully, but you DO have to consider the great number of people who do NOT agree with such publications.
Charles W. Sammut
Feb 8th, 12:43
Dear Maria, at least these two confined their fertile imagination to fiction. Those who were supposed "to uphold some values" very often translated their imagination to action, and on minors too.
Personally I would not care to read the drivel churned out by these two, but it is good to let them express themselves and expose their 'values.' That is what living in a free and democratic country means. If they had been ignored in the first place, few would have read their piece. Like this they have gotten all the publicity they could ever dream about, and more.
john vella
Feb 8th, 13:05
Mr. A. D'Ascoa
I guess I be another one closed in a box according to your intelligence. Just lately a teen young lady was blaspheme in public, I pointed out that there were children. For that I got a two penny lip service and adviced to go to the Old People's Home.
The truth is who are we copying to be modern? The Good Lord gave us a conscience and what you do not do in public it should not be allowed on stage on or on busses.
To be modern we are trying to copy old Greece, Old Rome and other societies that believe to be as smart as Sodom and Gomorra.
If you believe from dust you came and dust you must return be careful because it is said we have to pay for the bad example we give to others. And no modern concept will change God's laws.
A D'Ascola
Feb 8th, 13:46
@John Vella,
I do not agree with blasphemy in public so well done. Ignorance never solved anything! To keep on preaching as if everyone is a saint won't solve any problems neither! Not everyone has your own beliefs!
And no I am not saying that you re closed in a box! I congratulate you for trying to stop scum walking our streets, but you know our problems are not based on a publication!
tony camilleri
Feb 8th, 14:17
Mr Vella...
god's law's? seriously? shall we start a discussion on god's laws?
i agree with controlled language in front of minors.. but this was a publication. you choose to read it. just as a note... get any imported magazine, treating anything from movies, games, whatever you wish (maybe not crochet) have a read.. and check out the amount of f bombs dropped in the pages. are these censored? no... because who chooses to read actually pays.
when will we stop this moral crusade? live and let live for whatever god you praise sake! (since these days you have to pay attention not to offend the morality of any religious organisation)
Mr Andrew Camilleri
Feb 8th, 15:15
Mr Maria Vella, you are contradicting yourself in one short sentence. If you live in a free and democratic society, there is something called 'freedom of expression'. Once you have somebody censoring what you write, deciding what you can read, what is good for you and what is not, then there is no more freedom of expression.
john vella
Feb 8th, 15:47
Mr. A D'Ascola
Thanks for your positive remarks and I salute you. You are quite right to say that our problems are not on an article that was published, that is also true.
Just today I read the Catholic Church in the United States of American under Obama administration has been told to provide condons to the Catholic school students. Is this the new progressive society we are aiming for?
I believe there is such a thing called tolerance and there is another permissiveness that is leading to a state of mind that anything goes.
When the unfortunate namely women and children suffer just for the lust of men this is not freedom of expression but madness.