The bomber who killed Karin Grech ‘was a loner’
Edwin Grech, whose daughter, Karin, was killed by a letter bomb in 1977, suggested yesterday that there was a group of people behind the heinous crime.
Speaking on Net TV’s Evidenza last night, Prof Grech, who was the real target of the letter bomb, said he had information that the explosive device had been planned by fourth- and fifth-year medical students who hired a criminal to make the bomb that was delivered by a carpenter with missing fingers.
If substantiated, the theory would break new ground in the yet unsolved murder of the teenager who had opened the small parcel addressed to her father thinking it was a gift having been just three days after Christmas.
When approached with the information communicated by Prof. Grech – the programme is recorded – former police officer Charles Demicoli, who had investigated the case for several years, said he believed the murder was the work of one person. The main reason why the crime had not been solved, he added, was because that person never spoke up.
“I think it was done by one of the students. I think he did it alone, all by himself and that’s why it hasn’t come out. If there were... (more people in-volved), as the professor is saying, somebody would have spoken up by now. Some crimes are solved because people talk and, in this case, nobody ever spoke,” Mr Demicoli said, echoing a theory that has been repeated over the years.
During the programme, hosted by journalist Dione Borg, Prof. Grech said had been told that the plan – aimed at him – had been concocted by a number of medical students. They then hired a criminal bomb expert and the explosive device was delivered by a carpenter with missing fingers.
The detail about the missing fingers is significant because forensic tests had only turned up very faint finger prints.
Prof. Grech said he had communicated all this to the police who could verify the information with a person he pointed out to them and who was present when he was given the information.
He said he was also informed that when the Medical School was closed down (at the time, doctors employed by the government were on strike and Prof. Grech had come from abroad to assist in the national health service) a lawyer who was involved in politics offered his office to medical students to use as a meeting place. The lawyer was not aware what was being discussed, Prof. Grech added.
During the programme he said he had little hope the case would be solved and felt abandoned by the police. He spoke of a “hidden hand holding information”, insisting that the case had not been solved due to political interference.
Although Mr Demicoli, who retired from the police force in 1981, did not have a particular suspect in mind, he said that during investigations he had searched the houses of various students.
“They had the know-how to make a bomb... I went into their houses... and in certain places I found workshops where you could produce anything of the sort,” he recalled.
The students were never interviewed because when investigations started they had left Malta to continue their studies abroad because the Medical School was closed as a consequence of the doctors’ strike.“This is just my suspicion. It does not necessarily mean that it is correct but I believe it was only one person who did it,” he insisted. Testifying in 2008, Police Inspector Chris Pullicino, who is now handling the case, said the investigation was concentrated on a group of people who were final-year medical students at the time of the incident.
In a statement yesterday, the police said “all information that came to the knowledge of the police in this case, including the information referred to by Prof. Grech himself, has been thoroughly investigated”.
The trail of death
The case dates back to August 1977. Prof. Grech was working as an obstetrics and gynaecology consultant in the UK when doctors in Malta were taking industrial action following disagreement between the government and the Medical Association of Malta.
A main bone of contention was a two-year housemanship imposed on new doctors before getting their warrant. Medical strikes followed and the Labour government retaliated by locking strikers out of hospital.
The medical course was also affected and students were forced to study abroad.
The government asked Prof. Grech to return to Malta to head the Obstetrics and Gynaecology Department at St Luke’s Hospital. He agreed to do so for the duration of the industrial dispute in the best interest of patients. As a result he was labelled a strike-breaker.
On December 28, 1977, a parcel was delivered to his home. His daughter, in Malta from the UK for the Christmas holidays, opened the large brown envelope that contained a small, pen-box shaped parcel in Christmas wrapping. It exploded in her hands.
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Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 3rd, 13:56
@ James Tyrrell (2 Jan 2012 at 20:23)
Are you unable to understand plain English? I did NOT write anywhere that “the taking of fingerprints for elimination purposes is wrong …”. I said that fingerprints should be taken as instructed by the law court and subsequently the fingerprints of innocent persons should be destroyed and not archived in some secret recess of the police department for later “planting on” and “framing” of the innocent possessor of that fingerprint. One such case was actually identified in proceedings before the Criminal Court of justice during the Mintoff-KMB era.
I do not know of any “refusal” by anybody to provide fingerprints for the past 34 years. Unless you provide independent proof to the contrary I will consider that to be your lie.
As regards your query how I would react if you asked me for my DNA, rest assured that the moderator would not publish the answer deserved by your very impertinent question!
P Bonnici
Jan 6th, 00:10
Unfortunately the destruction of DNA and fingerprints of innocent people does not happen in the UK, they are stored.
I am sure they would have been abused by the so called police during the MIntoff-KMB reign.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 2nd, 15:51
@ James Tyrrell (2 Jan 2012 at 13:58)
There is no need for you to "struggle to understand"anything. What “turns me on” is a commitment to the truth. You will search in vain for any evidence that I have ever wanted “to protect the low life/lives who murdered an innocent child”.
I always tried to help in the search for the truth. Believe me I risked my life during the Mintoff days to pass on information to his police force to enable it to solve crimes, even when the criminal was an MLP cabinet minister! But those police, up to the rank of acting/Commissioner of Police were interested only to frame me with a crime of which I eventually proved my innocence!
The opinion that the Karen Grech murderer was a loner, acting alone, was expressed forcefully by one of the members of the panel of the TV programme “Evidenza”. It was not challenged by any of the other court appointed forensic experts.
Your unsolicited opinion about the propriety of retaining fingerprints of innocent persons, hidden in some obscure police closet, unbeknown to the law courts and to the innocent owner of that fingerprint, is absolutely wrong! In Malta, that is illegal whatever your alleged experience during your service in the police!
James Tyrrell
Jan 2nd, 20:23
Of course the opinion wasn't challenged since it was nothing more than an opinion!
As for your insistence that the taking of fingerprints for elimination purposes is wrong I dread to think how you would react if asked for your DNA! The refusal to provide fingerprints for 34 years points to fear on the part of someone or some group. I hope that whoever he, she or they are rot in hell for their crime.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 3rd, 18:30
@ James Tyrrell (2 Jan 2012 at 20:23.
"Of course the opinion wasn't challenged since it was nothing more than an opinion!" (james |Tyrrell)
That "opinion" was not challenged because by the forensic experts on the "Evidenza" panel because thay agreed with it!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 2nd, 10:23
@ Victor Laiviera (1 Jan at 22:00)
For the last time, Mr Laiviera, you put on blinkers so as to see and to hear only that which suits your convenience. If you really want to learn the truth (provided that you do not know it already) all you have to do is to ask Dr Paul Chetcuti Caruana himself, or Mrs Pearl Grech, or the author of the “Evidenza” TV program under reference or any body else who appeared on that program.
Indefinitely repeating what you said in your first comment does not infuse any sense into it. Your blind insistence that nothing exists except what you want to see and what you want to hear is sheer mulish stubbornness.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 1st, 16:55
@ James Tyrrell. (1 Jan 2012 at 15:08)
I have to accept your word that according to your birth certificate you are “well past your spoon feeding” age.
If you know of any “forensic expert” worth his salt who believes that the murderer was not a loner, please induce him to speak and help you out.
In case you have not yet realized it yet, Demicoli was NOT the police officer “leading the investigation at the time” he was a police inspector first on the scene because the murder occurred in his district. This serious investigation was carried out at a much higher level and a Commissioner of Police and an Assistant Commissioner of Police were both identified by name.
If I were any sort of suspect I would NOT have offered my fingerprints “to clear my name”. I would have accepted a court order to have my fingerprints taken and to have those fingerprints destroyed under the direction of the court so that they would not finish up illegally retained by the police for “planting” later at the scene of some other crime in order to frame me. That is what had actually happened in the police fingerprints section as proved in another case proven in court. Incidentally one such illegally retained set of fingerprints was labelled “C.D.” and that abbreviation stood for Charles Demicoli.
On second thought, are you quite sure that you are well past your spoon-feeding age? I see no evidence of it in your comment.
James Tyrrell
Jan 2nd, 13:58
I'm struggling to understand what exactly your interest is in this case other than to see your own words in print. But, whatever turns you on as they say. It seems to me that a lot of people are trying very hard to prevent the truth from coming out here and I can't understand why anyone would want to protect the low lives who murdered a child.
It is not for me to induce any forensic expert to speak out about the case. The point is you are the one who raised the matter not me when you stated, 'It is the forensic experts' opinion that Karen's murderer was a loner acting on his own.' So perhaps you can back this up with something other than your own opinion.
As for Demicoli whether or not he was leading the investigation is irrelevant, he was involved in it, and he was the one giving the opinion that it was a doctor acting on his own who carried out the bombing, not some forensic expert as you state.
So if you were suspected of murder and were completely innocent you would not be interested in clearing your name by providing your fingerprints. That's interesting and as we know is a stance taken by 119 doctors to this day. If they are all so innocent what are they afraid of? Also you talk of illegally retained fingerprints belonging to Inspector Charles Demicoli. Did Charles Demicoli accuse the police of retaining his fingerprints illegally or is this another of your 'expert opinions'? I served in the police myself and my fingerprints were on file during my service. This was and to the best of my knowledge still is normal procedure and they certainly were not retained illegally.
The only important thing is that the stinking scum who carried out this murder are brought to justice and spend the rest of their lives in a prison cell where they belong. No wonder there are calls for reform of the legal system in Malta when a senior police officer can state that a murder case dating back 34 years is 'active.'
Victor Laiviera
Dec 31st 2011, 17:59
@ Dr Francis Saliba
You said, "... it was Mrs Pearl Grech, the mother of the victim Karen Grech, who actually pointed her finger at an MLP doctor member of parliament as the murderer of her daughter."
Can you provide some indication when and where this was said? I have followed this case from the moment it happened, and this is the first time I have heard this astounding allegation.
To be frank, I think you are making it up.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 18:37
@ Victor Laiviera.
It is public knowledge that it was Dr Paul Chetcuti Caruana in person who leaked out that story prominently during the recent two-episode "Evidenza" programme appearing on NET TV.
Are you so absolutely shameless as to insinuate that I am "making up" that story in a matter that is so easily verifiable?
Victor Laiviera
Dec 31st 2011, 21:58
@ Francis Saliba
You must have been the only one who heard it. I certainly did not, and I watched most of both programs. Neither has anyone I asked.
Such an extraordinary allegation would have been splashed across the front pages of most papers - but it is nowhere to be seen.
Are you sure you are not "adjusting" some remark he may have made?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Jan 1st, 11:09
@ Victor Laiviera (31 Dec 2011 at 21:58)
No! Mr Laiviera. I was not the only one to see and to hear Dr Paul Chetcuti Caruana. If I had made up that story Dr Paul Chetcuti Caruana hinself, Professor Edwin Grech and his wife Pearl would not have remained silent but they would have taken me to court. THEY DON'T only because they know that that truth cannot be denied on the stupid pretext that a certain Laiviera "did not hear it"!
In my eyes you have established a shameful reputation to see only what you choose to see, to hear only what you want to hear, to remember only what you want to remember and to understand only that which you want to understand in your usual distorted version.
Have you no shame left? Please excuse me. I have no more time left to waste on the likes of you.
Victor Laiviera
Jan 1st, 22:00
I can only repeat what I said in my first comment
- I watched most of both programs and I did not hear anything like that;
- Nobody I spoke to, and who watched the programs, heard it;
- It has not appeared on any media - PN, PL, Independent, print or online.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 17:36
@ C Busuttil (31 Dec at 15:67)
Let me make it clear from the very outset that I do not accept you as a genuine “life-long Nationalist” competent to speak out for “PN supporters”.
The “PN in opposition” did not try to destabilize the MLP government any more than Joseph Muscat is now trying to destabilize the Gonzi PN government. The NP was trying to regain its democratic right to govern as the party that had polled the highest number of votes.
Political violence disappeared after Dr Eddie Fenech Adami’s election because the MLP political thugs were bullying cowards who needed the protection of the MLP officialdom to carry out their mayhem. After the NP victory at the polls the MLP thugs were deprived of that MLP ministerial and police protection. Your statement that “violence was not only a prerogative of the MLP supporters” exposes you for what you really are.
I agree that the MLP record of violence “did not spring up from nothing”. It was laid down in black and white as an essential part of the MLP “credo” as recorded in Mintoff’s “six points”. There is no need to look any further than the sixth of those points.
Victor Laiviera
Jan 1st, 00:29
"The “PN in opposition” did not try to destabilize the MLP government ..."
What about the time Eddie Fenech Adami used to go abroad and urge industrialist not to inmvest in Malta? This is a matter of public record.
Mike Micallef
Dec 31st 2011, 16:50
Prof Grech is quoted as "insisting that the case had not been solved due to political interference." The murder occurred in 1977, followed by 10 more years of Labour government.
What exactly is he implying?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 16:34
@Jonathan Zammit Lapira. (31 Dec at 10:26)
Please try your hand at submitting reasoned arguments not personal attacks that only demean you. And, please, don’t ask stupid questions!
It is proven historical record that the MLP police of the Mintoff-KMB days regularly destroyed evidence of crime whenever the tracks lead towards the MLP. This is one such instance, and it is not I who is saying it. It is a past MLP cabinet minister of those days whose wife accused another MLP parliamentarian of being the murderer of their daughter. The great pity is that instead of excoriating the police force of today the attack should be directed against the police force at the time of the murder and for the subsequent decade! That is when the crime of Karen’s murder had the best chance of being solved to everybody’s satisfaction, except the murderer’s!
Jason Pisani
Jan 18th, 02:03
Dear Mr, Saliba M.D. in most of your comments you are attacking the so called corrupt MLP police. Apparently you forgot The PN Police "Tal-Jakketta Blue"..
Mr C Busuttil
Dec 31st 2011, 15:57
Dr. Saliba
I have been a lifelong Nationalist and about Karin Grech's murder I heard from the PN supporters all sorts of theories which tried to shift the blame from the shoulders of the PN. To such extent that at one point I believed that the nationalists had nothing to do. However as you grow up and reflect on the past and try to understand the perspective of the other side you understand that we had a finger in the pie that caused this country so much harm.
It all started with the interdiction imposed by the hard headness of Archbishop Gonzi on the labour people with the PN being his silent accomplice. Great harm and suffering was caused on thousands and it was only to be expected that a time of revenge would come. The PN in opposition tried to destabilize the labour government through industrial disputes and this only added to the tension.
Let's not forget that within the PN there where those who wanted confrontation with the MLP that went beyond the political playground and this was averted thanks to Dr. Fenech Adami who kept a firm control and did not give in to such demands. Eventually these people have been sidelined, however I am convinced they continued to blow on the fire that was burning throughout the country with their actions. Labour are right on one thing... bomb attacks stopped as soon the PN was elected. Therefore I am convinced that violence was not only a prerogative of the MLP supporters.
Violence is never justified but it does not spring up from nothing. Labour supporters are not violent because the suddenly became bad people. Trying to shift the blame on the other part will neither erase the sins of the silent ones.
Joseph Ellul-Grech
Dec 31st 2011, 14:15
“If there were... (more people involved), as the professor is saying, somebody would have spoken up by now”. What Mr. Demicoli is saying is incorrect. In the anonymous letters case involving EU Commissioner John Dalli the police have evidence of several people being involved although I (Joseph Ellul Grech) was the only person accused and investigated. These people have never spoken up and the police have never bothered to find out who they are. It is possible that Karin Grech’s murder is not being investigated properly either and those responsible will never be held to account.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 10:19
The absence of Dr Chetcuti Caruana’s fingerprints on a Christmas parcel that he correctly identified as a bomb, but that, nevertheless, he continued to handle with perfect safety, requires an explanation. Under usual circumstances such fingerprints SHOULD have been present.
During the TV broadcast it was suggested that no fingerprints would be left by a calm person tranquilly handling a parcel bomb that could go off at any moment - hardly a credible scenario! Unless the parcel bomb handler possessed an incredible degree of “sangue freddo” his palm would have been freely perspiring with fear and apprehension and leaving abundant fingerprints.
Much more plausible would be the theory that the unexploded parcel bomb had ben wiped clean (why?) – perhaps by the “hidden hand” that the Grech family is postulating as holding back information.
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 31st 2011, 12:48
@FS
1) I asked you specifically to "confirm that you are stating fact, can you please PROVIDE us with 100% proof that MLP was the hidden hand suppressing the truth and preventing the murder being solved."
2) you chose to respond that your are "stating facts and one does not have to be very wise to realise it."
and then you come back with:
3) "The nearest to a 100% proof lies in the fact that it was Mrs Pearl Grech, the mother of the victim Karen Grech, who actually pointed her finger at an MLP doctor member of parliament as the murderer of her daughter."
Is that it??!
Is that your 100% proof/fact that would be taken SERIOUSLY in a court of law?
Never mind court, you will surely not be taken seriously in a public forum as this when you choose to write such statements, I'm sure.
You claim to be a former Police forensic doctor correct?
Surely you should know better than claiming your new 'suggestion' that (M)LP had the hidden agenda/hidden hand is credible based on the above 'nearly 100% proof (sic!).
Please come up with an ACTUAL 100% FACT to back your claim or else I suggest that you stop making a fool of yourself and stop causing more unnecessary pain to the Grech family.
I'm sure that ALL of the readers (but you of course!) would agree that what you state is NOT 100% proof or FACT but merely (like I suggested) another attempt of yours to provide us with another of :
- either "one of your fantastic theories/insinuations, " (you remember the 'other one that you SHAMEFULLY put forward in other blogs that is simply too painful to repeat here but no threat of yours will stop me reminding you of!! SHAME SHAME SHAME again , I say!)
-or " is this to be taken as just one of your typical attempts to blame everything bad on the (M)LP
And judging by your other writings this is the more likely scenario of the three, I suggest.
If however you keep insisting that this is your indelible FACT that you can come up with that:
"Only a powerful MLP hidden hand could have suppressed the information so successfully for such a long time during which the MLP held the reins of power."
then I can only conclude (yet again) that they were 100% right to board you out (or whatever you claim to have happened to you) "in the interest of the public" from being a Police Forensic "Doctor".
(By the way, were you EVER reinstated by your beloved party.. or did they too think it better uphold the "in the interest of the general public" bit?)
I will not entertain you with more tit-for-tat that you seem to be seeking in your (more) despicable writing. I will conclude by saying that yet again your FACT are no FACT at all.
If you wish to carry on with your single minded attack on Labour, please choose a more suitable forum than this were you are only causing unnecessary red herrings and not letting people focus on the real issue.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 17:47
@ Ivan Grech Mintoff.
I have had enough of your questions which you continue to rephrase and to resubmit pretending that I had not answered them, or that you did not understand my replies. I will no longer contend against that real or feigned ignorance because even the gods are reputed to give up the attempt!
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 09:31
@Robert pace. (31 Dec at 07:34)
I do not see anything funny about the murder of Karen Grech or any of the other political murders committed during the MLP and that were left unsolved throughout that administration, and practically insoluble by any subsequent administration, because of the MLP police destruction of evidence, instead of the obligatory preservation of that evidence.
People of your frame of mind are even today rubbing their hands with glee that the course of true justice was effectively prevented by the MLP police record of frame ups of innocent people. That, sir, is where the “brutal crap” lay!
Jonathan Zammit Lapira
Dec 31st 2011, 10:26
You do not surprise me with your writings/opinions as you ALWAYS defend what the PN does and shoot down (or bombard??) what the MLP has done and what the PL is doing now!!!!
It was a political murder under the MLP government, hence how could the MLP police destruct evidence????
Better if you say that most of those police officers during that period, had been promoted by the PN government and/or given high ranks in the PN like for example the "Gakketta Blu" brigade who were introduced in the 1981 general elections. If you are a human being, let off your political passion for once and say that someone is still hiding evidence from Karin's parents and us Maltese citizens.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 09:11
@ Mario Grima (30 Dec at 23:31)
Please do not draw your own wrong conclusions, and do not attribute to me your own wrong deductions about another murder, that of Raymond Caruana.
I do not “fomenate” (? foment) hatred. I am defending the scores of innocent medical students who have been negligently, or intentionally, kept under a cloud of suspicion for many years when the victim’s mother herself pointed her finger at somebody else.
James Tyrrell
Dec 31st 2011, 14:01
You say that you are 'defending the scores of innocent medical students who have been negligently, or intentionally, kept under a cloud of suspicion for many years.' How can you state that these scores of medical students are innocent? The vast majority of them have never been as much as fingerprinted over the past 34 years yet you declare that they are innocent? As a matter of interest were you one of those students?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 18:20
@ James Tyrell (31 Dec at 14:01)
Elementary Mr Tyrell! Allow me to spoon feed you.
It is the forensic experts' opinion that Karen's murderer was a loner acting on his own. Even if - FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE ONLY - that solitary murderer was a student, there would still be scores of innocent students and doctors who are intentionally, or negligently, being kept under a cloud of suspicion by the MLP false propaganda machine.
No! Mr Tyrell. At the time of Karen's murder I was not a medical student and neither was I a doctor involved in the lock out of doctors by Mintoff. For years previously I had been forced to retire compulsorily "on grounds of public interest" because in Mintoff's eyes I did not fit in with the MLP concept of a politicised police force acting in unison with the state-sponsored political thuggery as dictated by the MLP!
I was an old style police doctor who believed that the police force existed to maintain law and order, and to enforce laws without fear or favour. That was heretical in the eyes of the MLP under Mintoff and KMB.
James Tyrrell
Jan 1st, 15:08
Oh I can assure you I am well past spoon feeding. You say, 'It is the forensic experts' opinion that Karen's murderer was a loner acting on his own.' I thought this was the opinion of the police officer leading the investigation at the time who could hardly be described as a forensic expert. As regards the cloud of suspicion that these poor students were under at the time and indeed still are, if you were one of these people wouldn't you be doing everything in your power to clear your name? Or would you prefer to sit back and allow people to think you may be a murderer and put all the blame on this 'MLP false propaganda machine' that you talk about?
LOUIS JOSEPH BORG
Dec 31st 2011, 01:30
it is not that easy to just and go and order a bomb! criminals make sure that the people they do business with will not let them down if things get messy ,also tell me how does a medical docter get to find a bomb maker?
Joseph A Borg
Dec 31st 2011, 09:48
It's difficult to fathom today. We have easy access to a lot of information, including how to build pipe bombs and such thanks to the internet and google. Before this revolution, it was subversive elements in political parties and secret services disseminating the technology. I'm sure such information was readily available to veteran soldiers, especially sappers and special forces. Maybe the police should look into the political ties of the students and their travel abroad in the years prior, but I suspect they don't want to step on bigger toes.
Don't forget that western europe and the mediterranean were also part of the cold war. The CIA and the KGB used any means possible to influence public policy and gain useful secrets. A good example would be the killing of the German Banker by the red brigades [1] most probably to stall Gorbachev's talks with european governments when the USSR was crumbling under immense debts.
The CIA had organised rightwing underground groups to create mayhem (terrorise the population and take over government by force) in any country that turned communist. [2] They had widely disseminated pamphlets on acts of sabotage, from bomb making to destruction of infrastructure (basically a sapper's guide). The biggest failure in Europe was the greek generals taking over the country a couple of decades ago. [3]
Incidentally the last link is of a group (started by catholic clergy go figure!) to protest the US military school that actually trained south american dictators and their henchmen, most of whom are now indicted by the ICC. [4]
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction#The_RAF_since_the_1980s
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
[3] http://soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/soa-manuals
[4] http://soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/soawhinsec-grads/notorious-grads
* a wise consumer of media should always read critically and only support liberal, reasoned debate. When journalists and politicians start whipping up fear as an excuse to curtail personal liberties then it's time to ignore them and vote them out of office. When a public figure gets pilloried and hunted by the media, then read what they are really saying because most probably they are stepping on some big and powerful toes. Welcome to post 1984!
G Falzon
Dec 31st 2011, 00:25
If the victim was my daughter and if I come to know who the perpetrator was, I would splash his name all over the island risking any libel cases and my life in prison for that!
Ms.D. Galea
Dec 31st 2011, 00:14
In yesterday's program the forensic experts admitted that UP TILL TODAY, not ALL the finger prints found on the bombs were examined for possible matches ,Existing valuable clues as to the possible identity of the perpetrator/s were not followed up either. ..
So how about testing thoroughly ALL available evidence FIRST, BEFORE making blanket statements and unsubstantiated allegations that will do little to help solve this case but plenty to rekindle old divisions and political piques that this country can do without?
joseph john magro
Dec 31st 2011, 00:09
Dr Joseph Magro with reference to the responses from Messers Dingli and Borg I have no objection to having these investigations. But in all honesty if the Police authorities in Malta gave any credence to these allegations surely we would all have been tested long before now. Miost of us have visited Malta several times since for a number of reasons yet I know of nobody in my year that has had these tests. Might I remind your readers that several of my then medical student colleagues currently.
occupy high positions in the Maltese health service and indeed at the Medical school To my knowledge none have been tested. Finally if the authorities are indeed serious about this allegation and wish to trace individual doctors the GMC have the up to date professional addresses of those of us now working in the United Kingdom indeed I believe this is within the public domain through the GMC website.
Joseph Magro jmagro@nhs.net
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 08:48
@ Joseph Magro
It is much more convenient for the LP propaganda machine NOT to clear the many innocent and maligned medical students by examining their fingerprints but to keep them indefinitely under a cloud of suspicion.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 00:09
@ C Busuttil (30 Dec at 19:14)
Your first sentence lacks a verb and is (purposely) incomprehensible.
I await some proof from you that some unidentified murderous and hateful medical student was the murderer of Ms Karen Grech. From Dr Paul Chetcuti Caruana TV interview it emerges that Karen’s own mother was not of that opinion.
I await your proof.
Maria Brincat
Dec 30th 2011, 23:17
even so many years later it is painful to read of such a tragedy, a young life cut short, the sense of guilt that your child was killed in your place.. i honestly feel for Dr.Grech...
But, to target a whole group of MD students from the time is unfair.. if you really know who it is name him, if not don't do blanket statements.. it's not fair
Also, if they do know who the guy who delivered the letter was... i presume Dr. Grech has always known that the deliverer was the fingerless carpenter.. why wasn't this guy apprehended and questioned???
Evarist Saliba
Dec 30th 2011, 23:11
I have not seen the programme, and I am relying enirely on this press report and the comments that have followed. I find it strange that no mention has been made of a similar bomb that was posted/delivered/or otherwise, to another medical doctor at the same time, but which did not explode. Surely this item should have provided an answer to many qestions which are being raised in this report and the comments on it.
Rather than a merry-go-round of opinions, allegations and accusations a formal official statement of actions taken, preferably with dates, would go some way to inform the public of were we stand today.
Victor Laiviera
Dec 30th 2011, 21:52
There is one salient fact that has not been mentioned here. I don't know if it was brought up in the program as I did not watch all of it.
Shortly before the assassination of Karin Grech, a high-level, three-man delegation from the MAM visited Prof. Edwin Grech in an effort to persuade him to join their "strike". When he refused, they left. One of them (his name is a matter of public record) turned to him and said, "Oqgħod attent - tinsiex li għandek il-mara u t-tfal" (Be careful - remember you have a wife and children).
These facts are public and have never been denied. In my opinion, they make nonsense of any theories about "medical students".
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 30th 2011, 20:11
@ Ivan Grech Mintoff. (30 Dec at 19:17)
I am stating facts and one does not have to be very wise to realise it.
It is a fact that Professor Grech stated on TV that he believes in the existence of that "hidden hand". It is another solid fact that, for a decade after that murder, it was the MLP that ruled the roost.
This is where you have to make an effort and to engage your mind into gear. The most reasonable deduction why the "hidden hand" was so successful to supress the truth for the next all-important decade would be that solving that murder would have been detrimental to the MLP of that time.
- until you come up with a better one!
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 30th 2011, 20:26
@FS
Ok.. I'm engaging my brain into gear as you suggest.
Since my question asked you specifically if you state as FACT that " Only a powerful MLP hidden hand could have suppressed the information so successfully for such a long time during which the MLP held the reins of power."
and you confirm that you are stating fact, can you please PROVIDE us with 100% proof that MLP was the hidden hand suppressing the truth and preventing the murder being solved.
I'll now disengage my brain until we receive your FACTUAL reply.
Mario Grima
Dec 30th 2011, 23:31
So dear Dr. Holmes by your own deduction another 'hidden hand' was also successful where it concerned the brutal murder of Raymond Caruana. It is also a solid fact that, for over a decade after this murder, it was the PN that ruled the roost. But contrary to what your mind is assuming, I do not think that solving that murder would have been detrimental to the PN at that time.
Give us a break and comment on what you know best and do not try to fomenate hatred.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 30th 2011, 23:44
@ Ivan Grech Mintoff.
My replies are "factual" with conclusions legitimately deductable from those observed facts.
The nearest to a 100% proof lies in the fact that it was Mrs Pearl Grech, the mother of the victim Karen Grech, who actually pointed her finger at an MLP doctor member of parliament as the murderer of her daughter. This was revealed by the doctor himself - and he was not a member of MAM involved in the lock out of doctors.
robert pace
Dec 31st 2011, 07:34
very funny Mr Saliba with the same theory after the PN got to power we never got any more of this brutal crap did we? It does say something maybe you can understand better?
Victor Laiviera
Dec 31st 2011, 09:47
@ Dr Francs Saliba
You said "Mrs Pearl Grech, the mother of the victim Karen Grech, who actually pointed her finger at an MLP doctor member of parliament as the murderer of her daughter"
I have followed this case ever since it happened. This is the first time I have ever heard this astounding allegation. Can you provide some indication when and where this was said?
Because, to be quite frank, I think you are making it up.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 31st 2011, 10:32
@ Victor Laiviera.
Dr Paul Chetcuti Caruana himself openly declared on the TV broadcast "Evidenza" that Mrs Pearl Grech had pointed her finger at him accusing him of murdering her daughter Karen.
Ask anyone who watched that prgramme and they would vonfirm that I am not making anything up, as you unjustly accuse me. For a person so ubiquitous in the defence of the political violence during the Mintoff-KMB era you are exposing yourself as singularly ill-informed person.
mario gellel
Dec 30th 2011, 19:51
LET THE ONE FROM B'KARA WHO SAID HE KNOWS WHO KILLED HER COMES OUT AND SAYS THE REAL
VERSION. HE'S MALTA PRIME WITNESS. BRING HIM FORWARD, HIS ABRIVIASION ARE 'EFA'.
Joseph N. Attard
Dec 30th 2011, 20:55
Mr Gellel, it is obvious that you do not know Dr. Eddie Fenech Adami well. He is the epitome of upright and honest gentlemen, and you may rest assured that if he could have solved the murder in his time as Prime Minister, he would have done so without any respect for whatever the consequences. Remember, there are many crimes, not only in Malta, but all over the world, the author of which is known with near absolute certainty, but the necessary degree of legal proof is lacking.
Peter Agius
Dec 30th 2011, 21:37
He never said he knew....... He said that he would make his utmost to find out who the perpetrator was. And he did. Police officers were sent to Australia to investigate the case, in his tenure.
Cecil Herbert Jones
Dec 30th 2011, 19:20
Carpenters with missing fingers, cannot be all that many around. I would assume they're still missing...the fingers that is.
I noticed part of the envelope is hand written. What do the experts say about that?
Who had the most to lose by Prof Grech's alleged crossing the picket line? Any leads on that front?
Ms.D. Galea
Dec 31st 2011, 00:21
Carpenters are not the only people walking around with missing fingers. People who come in contact with explosives often end up with missing fingers.
I was surprised that in yesterday's program, the resident forensic expert failed to mention this well-known fact to enlighten viewers.
Is it possible that at no time during these last 34 years, no forensic expert saw fit to demand finger/ palm prints of persons with missing fingers who worked in certain trades?
joseph john magro
Dec 30th 2011, 19:19
Dr Joseph Magro MD LRCP MRCS FRCS(E) MRCGP
Dear Sir with reference to the article in today's edition I write to outline a major inaccuracy in Prof Grech's alleged statement as quoted . I was a medical student in 5 th year at the university of Malta in 1977 and left together with several colleagues on the 31 August of that year. Could i point out that in the 70's the medical course in Malta started every two years consequently there were no 4th year students merely 3rd and 5th years. I am deeply upset that Prof Grech has chosen to blanket smear myself and my colleagues in such a way and I would ask him to withdraw his blanket allegations forthwith. With reference to meetings with said lawyer ; I for myself had no knowledge of such events .
I am sure I share the sentiments of my then 5th year colleagues in saying that all we were concerned about was getting our degree for which I for one had sacrificed my teenage years and those of my early 20's rather than some sort of vendetta as suggested in your article
Joseph Magro jmagro@nhs.net
Ivan M. Dingli
Dec 30th 2011, 19:41
Dr. Magro
If you are so upset by Prof. Grech's comments, why don't you volunteer for any DNA testing which might be required? Upset by a comment is one thing..... losing your daughter to such a cowardly act is another. Albeit, this is just my opinion.
Tony Borg
Dec 30th 2011, 19:45
why don't you volunteer and go to the police and give them your finger and palm print? you should also invite your colleagues to do the same and to take an affidavit that these meeting never took place. like this you will be clearing your names.
Ray Spiteri
Dec 30th 2011, 20:02
"I for myself had no knowledge of such events" ..............meetings with said lawyer. How about the other colleagues. According to Prof Grech none of the medical students had their fingerprints taken. Rest in peace Karen. We are all deeply upset that Prof Grech lost his daughter Karen. I am sure Prof Grech would have prefered to sacrifice her teenage years in the UK studying then being murdered in such a manner.
Cecil Herbert Jones
Dec 30th 2011, 19:07
So a professionally made bomb explodes 35,000 ft up in the sky and the perpetrator is caught after being traced to Malta, while a simple parcel post bomb locally made, locally dispatched and delivered is not able to find its owner?
I suppose Sherlock Holmes could only solve the biggest most glamorous of murders.
James Tyrrell
Dec 30th 2011, 19:56
In the case of the one you were referring to that exploded 35,000 ft up in the sky it's easy to solve when you use a scapegoat. I agree however that this should have been solved very quickly and probably would have been without any interference.
Peter Agius
Dec 30th 2011, 21:40
The interference you are mentioning happened between 1977 and 1987
Mr twanny borg
Dec 30th 2011, 18:51
ser inkun iebes mall-professur grech. dak kellu jkun id-destin. hadd ma seta' jibdlu int l-ahhar wiehed. mhux daqshekk importanti ghal familja li jigi solvut il-kaz anzi tista' tidhol fi trawma ohra. min qatel din it-tifla zgur li ma qaghdx kwiet f'dawn is-snin kollha. il-hlas sar u se jsir fid-dinja l-ohra. karen nahseb mhux importanti ghalija li jigi solvut il-kaz imma l-imhabba tal-familja taghha bizzejjed.
inzid pero li dak kien zmien ikrah hafna. wiehed jispekola biss jista'. rigward il-kumpens qbilt mall-gvern li jhallas il-kumpens izda ma naqbilx mall-qorti li darba l-gvern hallas il-pumpens accetta li l-kaz kien mediku/politiku. zbal kbir darba l-kaz mhux solvut. hadd ma jista' jeskludi xejn inkluz li kien xi hadd mill-mlp li ried jilghab loghba ta' gvern vittma. ma nistax nimmagina dak iz-zmien li l-pulizija setaw jinvestigaw din it-tezi jew iresqu l-qorti xi laburist. b'hekk izda hadd ma jaf ghalkemm tajjeb li tohrog il-verita'. it-tbatija mhux tal-mejtin izda tal-hajjin.
Ray Spiteri
Dec 30th 2011, 18:03
“I think it was done by one of the students. I think he did it alone, all by himself and that’s why it hasn’t come out". So if this is true we have an ex medical student with blood in his hands still running out. Who were those medical students that attended meetings at the prominent lawyer office as claimed by Profs. Grech? How can anyone plot to murder a doctor who was assisting the Maltese citizens who needed medical attention? Are we humans? How is it possible that the mastermind of this crime is still running out, maybe at his cosy home with his family? While Karen is in heaven.
Giovann Demartino
Dec 30th 2011, 17:47
Karen Grech was murdered in 1977 and the MLP stayed in power for TEN more years. So how does the hidden hand come in? While the police were so quick to apprehend the "murderer" of Ray Caruana, no one was ever accused of the murder of Karen grech.
Anthony Busuttil
Dec 30th 2011, 18:15
Giovanni what you are saying is true but who was investigating the case, a fan of Sherlock Homes
Victor Laiviera
Dec 30th 2011, 18:33
We learned yesterday that the police officer investigating the assassination of Karin Grech was Mr Charles Demicoli, of Blue Jacket fame.
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 30th 2011, 18:43
Professor Edwin Grech has expressed himself that there was "some hidden hand holding information" about the henous murder of his daughter. Since the MLP remained in power for a decade after that murder the most obvious suggestion would be that any suppressed information was detrimental to the MLP cause. Only a powerful MLP hidden hand could have suppressed the information so successfully for such a long time during which the MLP held the reins of power.
Angus Black
Dec 30th 2011, 18:51
Giovanni, since 1977 there were different Justice Ministers of both sides of the political sphere, the case was investigated initially and reviewed at least three times by the Police of pre and post 1987.
So, the 'hidden hand' may not have been politically motivated at all because otherwise one of the two parties in government would have redoubled its efforts to nail the criminal, if for nothing else, to tack it on its adversary. Foreign experts were involved under separate governments, yet no positive identification ensued.
It is therefore safe to assume that the criminal wanted 'to get even' by attacking a strike breaker and a health spokesman in the Labour government at that time. Getting even for not being able to finish his studies in Malta and to practice his profession without first 'serving for two years' at starvation wages.
It was the work of one person, and there are no hidden hands, other than his own.
Mr C Busuttil
Dec 30th 2011, 19:14
@Francis Saliba
familiar connections MLP/PN? maybe freemasons?
whats certain is that Karen Grech was killed and her killers are still on the run. All this because some medical student/s could not hold their political hatred.
PS- Please we had enough of people trying to gain political advantage from cases like this. Stop trying to cast doubts on a powerful mysterious MLP heavy weight who held information. The students involved simply left the country days after the murder and therefore not easy to trace.
They left karin dead and a country full of hatred and revenge, a country which would pay a further price with the innocent blood of Raymond Caruana. Those who killed Karin are morally responsible for that of Caruana as they broke the concept that human life is sacred, they transformed it us against them.
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 30th 2011, 19:17
@FS
> Only a powerful MLP hidden hand could have suppressed the information so successfully for such a long time during which the MLP held the reins of power.
Are you stating a fact (you write it like it is fact), one of your fantastic theories/insinuations, or is this to be taken as just one of your typical attempts to blame everything bad on the (M)LP?
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 30th 2011, 19:22
@ Angus Black
(may I call you Andrew?)
Perhaps this information came out many years AFTER PN took over the government? Wouldn't that mean that only one side of the political field is being blamed here...?
Ivan M. Dingli
Dec 30th 2011, 19:35
@ Francis Saliba M.D.
Same thing with Raymond Caruana's murder, i guess we could also suggest that any information could be detrimental to the PN, correct?
Francis Saliba M.D.
Dec 30th 2011, 23:34
@ Victor Laiviera. (30 Dec at 18:33)
You do not understand because you do not want to understand. Charles Demicoli would be involved as an officer attached to the police district where the crime occurred. The investigation of such a serious crime would soon be assumed by higher police officers in the D.I.K. In this particular case Asst Commissioner of Police Anthony Mifsud Tommasi and Commissioner of Police Lawrence Pullicino were both identified by name.
pat muscat
Dec 30th 2011, 17:19
I was amazed to hear on Net TV that senior CID officers became 'experts' because they enjoyed reading ( detective stories) I suppose !
Saviour Cachia
Dec 30th 2011, 15:44
@Ivan Grech Mintoff.
Well done for your comment. If all the students in year four and five at that time are called to do what you are ready to do, the police would certain be in a better position to reach some sort of conclusion/s. Either they assert the credibility of all the students in those classes of the Medical School or else maybe, finally, come to have enough proof of who was/were the culprit/s.
The sooner this story and that of the murder of Raymond Calleja are solved the better, in the best interest of politics, the future generation and hopefully as Joseph Muscat suggested, something will be done together by the two big political parties, to respect the martyrs of two different unstable and violent periods in the political history of Malta.
This was the case of Maltese killed by the Maltese, not like the Sette Giugno where the victims were killed by the foreign oppressor. RIP to Karin Grech and Raymond Calleja, and please let bygones be bygones and every party in Government in the future concentrate on the reforms much needed to have a modern and perhaps why not, our Malta and Gozo, will be the best in the European Union. It is an ambitious target, but with all the good will of the politicians and the people, it is still feasible. Let us be positive and erase from our minds the wrong doing in the years of the seventies and eighties. Those for some reason or other, where the recent dark and violent years, of Maltese politics.
And to be fair to all, this should not discredit the persecution that those supporting the Malta Labour Party had to suffer in the sixties, just to defend the conservatism still reigning in our Roman Catholic Church and open up Malta and Gozo to a fresh change of wind. pushed by the Second Vatican Council.
Pule' Carmel
Dec 30th 2011, 15:35
Fingers or no fingers, would anybody post such a letter without gloves! So much for this philosphy!
Mr Tony Gatt
Dec 30th 2011, 16:55
If it were posted, chances are someone licked the stamp on the packet. As the Brits say, there's more than one way to skin a cat!
Mr C Busuttil
Dec 30th 2011, 15:25
My grandfather was a staunch Nationalist "vecchio stampo" who probably would not identify himself in what the PN has become now. However I recall him saying that what was occuring in the early 80's was a result of what happened in the sixties. The hatred sowed by the folly of one man who abused the power he had within the local church would be repaid in blood. Many years after looking back I say he was right.
Just like the person/s who killed Karin Grech are also responsible for the murder of Raymond Caruana, Not physically but through their crime on that innocent girl they killed the innocent Raymond as well. As the sacred value of life was broken and it was a matter of time for payback. However he/they did not get his/their just deserves but it was Raymond who paid the price for them. Its no justification but things do not happen for nothing, especially if hatred reigns in the hearts of people and that hatred was sowed by somebody.
Although I am a lifelong nationalist I always believed that the murder of Karin Grech was something the PN was partially responsible and I do not mean the party leaders but some of the activists within it even if indirectly. The levels of political tension had risen dramatically. Labour supporters looked at the PN as the silent accomplice of the infamous interdiction on labour by the church ( I must admit as the Pn was the beneficiary of the interdiction). Industrial disputes of the 70's which the Law Courts have recently judged in the case which the family of Karin opened as haing the aim to destabilize the country. Further certain elitists nationalist supporters who always considered themselves superior to the rest even towards fellow PN supporters could not accept that the lower class would govern the country and the workers got certain rights. This mentality in some it is still persists even in our own days. Any occasion to bring the MLP down was to be taken. They knew that labour supporters have always been prone to reacting in violent manners and this played their game.
However the ultimate price was paid by the nationalist and labour supporters. The PN martyrs like Raymond Caruana and Nardu Debono are not greater than Karin or the labour people buried in the Mizbla and viceversa. Its the Maltese nation that has suffered and stills suffers from political division. I call on both parties to stop using these unfortunate people for some sort of political advantage, otherwise we are killing them a second/third time.
maria grech ganado
Dec 30th 2011, 15:47
Wonderful comment! I'm afraid a comment I made agreeing with Victor Laiviera was inadvertently posted as an agreement with someone who opposed him. I hope this comment finds its right place. Thank you, Mr Busuttil. As my genuine friends know, I am neither a Nationalist nor a Labourite and though a Green at heart, do not think Alternattiva lives up to their ideals. In fact, I am thoroughly fed up with the whole political scene on this island, which I am beginning to find totally claustrophobic
Stuart Caruana
Dec 30th 2011, 16:59
one of the best comments ever that reflects my opinions and those of many from the younger generation. What would be great if one day people from both sides sat down and wrote a book on the ACTUAL history of the politics in Malta.
Joseph Calleja
Dec 30th 2011, 17:35
Very well told and explained. It is funny how opinions and feelings change when it comes to politics and religion as you grow older, I know mine did. All we knew in those days was Mintoff and Gonzi. These two threw Malta in a spin because of hatred for each other. It was not The MLP against the PN, it was a battle between Mintoff and Archbishop Gonzi and most of us got caught in the middle. This shows how naive and gullible we were at the time. If I knew then what I know now? Hopefully we won't let this to ever happen again.
Mariano Camilleri
Dec 30th 2011, 14:29
i am a pn supporter but i always want to speak the truth. i dont understand why would labour ask for help from profs grech then send a bomb to his house and destroy their credibility in goverment?it doesnt make any sense it makes more sense if pn had a hand in this. but then why labour didnt as for extra help in the investigation to get the criminal or criminals that did this? i beleive that both labour and nationalists leaders know who it was in all the crimes and murders involved and that neither one of them will say because both parties did their own crime.
this is like godfather they order crimes but they never speak of them because they all would be crucified and there parties would end instantly.
what is the solution for this? bury it and forget about the past or another party apart from mlp and pn should rise to power and start investigations no matter how much it would cost about all the crimes but i am sure that both pn and mlp would become history after investigations are finished.
the only problem is that altough there are other new parties in malta that contest the election they are not strong enough to make a scratch to pn and mlp in votes so its really far for them to actually win and end this tirranny of mlp and pn because most people are still ignorant to vote mlp orpn or not at all.
the more time passes these 2 parties are in power the more we will not know the truth and unfortunately people will remain voting one party or the other and will stay slaves of them
Charles J. Buttigieg
Dec 30th 2011, 14:20
Since a lot of readers are coming out with different theories it wouldn’t be so presumptuous of me to declare what I think.
The unprecedented doctors’ long industrial action was being openly supported by the PN in opposition and one king pin knew that unless something drastic was thought of other doctors on strike will give up and return to their duties at the hospital. One extreme measure, to daunt strike breakers,was to scare the shit out of them. The king-pin was well aware that the main beneficiaries of a positive result after the strike would be the medical students who were also vulnerable considering their young age. In league with only one student the king-pin masterminded the plot, sponsored and assisted the student from a distance who in turn commissioned the notorious assassin probably a foreigner. It would have been utterly stupid and senseless to involve a big number of people in such a dangerous and expensive covert operation.
Anthony Busuttil
Dec 30th 2011, 14:08
In the introduction of his speech Ex police officer Demicoli was very amature and anti Puliccino.Demicoli was very much involved and influential in PN. I am sure if he used his influence during the past 25 years things could have been difficult. He could have exposed Pullicino that he was not doing his job properly. This was only stated yesterday. A junior investigator with FBI or Scotland Yard could have solved these in matter of weeks. But as Profs. Grech said their is a hidden hand, who is stopping this investigation. How powerful is this hidden hand? Many years passed (same as Raymond Caruana) but the Maltese wants to know who killed these innocent political martyrs. Once the most powerful man in Malta said that he knew, was he interrogated? The Maltese people deserve better and wants answers, after seeing Demicoli yesterday he did not impressed me at all. It was suggested to give an amnesty to the person who confess , I dont think family Grech wants blood, but they want to know WHO and WHY. I think a board of investigation by 3 magistrates should be appointed and takes over the investigation and their task should be 1. to get those 119 palm prints 2. investigate police investigators to make sure that the case was well investigated. Dr Abela Medici and the fingerprint expert they looked trustworty........................but lets do it and close this painfull chapter not only for family Grech but for All Maltese
James Tyrrell
Dec 30th 2011, 14:03
With all due respect to Mr Demicoli we all have the know-how to make a bomb. I have a friend who is training for bomb disposal in Afghanistan next year who said that making a bomb is simple, the trick is not being there when it goes off. Speaking as someone who lived through the N. Ireland troubles I would be 100% sure that this was not the work of someone acting on their own as Mr Demicoli states but the work of a small group. What I can't understand here is why, even at the snail's pace the legal system operates at in Malta, after 34 years no progress has been made. When that happens it is usually because someone is preventing progress being made. Karin deserves justice and God knows her family certainly deserve to be able to draw a line under this crime once and for all. People out there know the truth and they need to do the right thing and come forward.
Mr Tony Gatt
Dec 30th 2011, 13:34
It's amazing what can be done with forensic evidence evidence nowadays- several cases decades old have been solved by Scotland Yard in the U.K. in the last couple of years.
Wenzu Vella
Dec 30th 2011, 13:11
Why now 34 years after the murder? Why not then? What was wrong with the police? What sort of professionalism you call this by the then police? If the police had evidence that some of the then medical students had facilities that made it possible for a bomb of that type to be made on those premises one can be assured that acquiring the knowledge by a bright medical student/s to make the bomb would have been relatively easy. Yet the police chose not to pursue this line of investigation. These are questions that they should have been asked then not now.
P Bonnici
Dec 30th 2011, 15:01
The police at that time where just political thugs in uniform, they were mainly recruited for their political affiliation irrespective of their suitability to perform professional police duties. An opportunity was missed to catch this cowardly criminal who perpetrated such heinous crime.
Joseph Calleja
Dec 30th 2011, 15:19
Wenzu, as Mr Grech mentioned and I agree 100%, first of all this act was a political murder by far and secondly it was the incompetency of the Maltese police department at the time. I consider them as the Kestone Kops. And how many men with no fingers lived in Malta at the time? If they had any such suspicions it would have been easy to find such a man. At the time Doctors were treated as slaves of the government. I think that the police at the time did not choose not to pursue this line of investigation, they were forced not to by the powers that be. December 28, 1977 is a long time ago and it is very doubtful this man will ever be caught. If it was a student who made the bomb, that means that there might be a murderer doctor running around loose.. The excuse that the police inspector offers is very weak at best.
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 30th 2011, 12:56
So..is the case now still open or has it now run into its 'Preskrizjoni'?
If the case is still open, then these revelations sure paint a very bad light on fourth- and fifth-year medical students of 1977.
If I was one of them I would certainly be worried about my reputation.
After all, I'm sure that public records showing who these students were in 1997 are freely available.
So once a list of names is made public and I was one of them, I'm sure that I would be forever wondering if people suspect that it was me, everywhere that I went!
On the other hand, IF my conscience is perfectly clear AND I valued my reputation, then I would not hesitate to volunteer:
- a sample of my DNA (to compare to the stamp/envelope seal)
- my fingerprints
- my typed thesis (so that it can be compared to the typed letter itself).
I would offer the above on the proviso that my name would thereafter be cleared publicly by the police as not being a match to the evidence brought forward recently.
I would do so as I would not want to be in any way associated with this crime and to clear my name once and for all.
Finally, I would do so in order to help a medical colleague/his family how has suffered too much pain and just wants justice for his only daughter.
This process would at the very least reduce the police's list of suspects down to those who refuse to volunteer such information to them.
The truth in this matter has eluded us all for too long and it is time to correct this error of at all possible.
May you rest in peace Karin and my your family find the solace they deserve.
Mario Fenech
Dec 30th 2011, 12:50
Jien nahseb li bhal ma gara f kazi ohrajn fostom d delitt tal Markiz fl Mgarr u ohrajn...ghad trid tohrog il verita min halq xihadd,ghadda bizzejjed zmien biex min ghamel l bomba forsi m ghadux maghna imma jien ma nahsibx illi l istess bnidem ghamel l pjan,hadem l bomba u mposta kollox wahdu.
Victor Laiviera
Dec 30th 2011, 12:45
Mr Demicoli's background is well-known. I would take anything he has to say on this matter with a very, very generous pinch of salt.
In any, case, why has NET TV and the PN decided to start discussing this matter after doing their best to ignore it for 34 years?
Simple - they have concluded that any diversion - even one potentially damaging - is better than discussing the disarray in the PN Parliamentary Group and the fact that Lawrence Gonzi has just two days to decide whether to give in to Franco Debono or bite the bullet.
Interesting times.
James Vella
Dec 30th 2011, 13:21
Just keep on dreaming of your "interesting times" Mr.Laiviera
Mr Tony Gatt
Dec 30th 2011, 13:37
Always a political angle to things in Malta- amazing.
Victor Laiviera
Dec 30th 2011, 13:45
@ Mr Tony Gatt
It was the Maltese Courts - not me - who concluded that the assassination of Karin Grech was politically motivated.
A Gouder
Dec 30th 2011, 14:16
Mr Laviera, you know what is more serious than the 34 years that NET TV chose to ignore the case? Its the ten years after the murder in which Malta was under a Labour Government.
Peter Agius
Dec 30th 2011, 15:05
@Victor Laiviera
The MLP government chose to ignore it between 1977 and 1987, when they had all the means to thoroughly investigate the case.. It smells of a rotten rat, or don't you think so?? The first years are crucial in a murder investigation, and however they did nothing.
maria grech ganado
Dec 30th 2011, 15:12
hear hear - and for some, even dangerous!
maria grech ganado
Dec 30th 2011, 15:38
Dear Victor - I meant my comment 'hear hear' to agree with what YOU said. It has been, inadvertently I'm sure, placed in the wrong place. I agree with you without reservations. Totally! I admire Franco Debono and Frank Portelli. They are of the same metal - as was Lino Spiteri when he stood up to Mr Mintoff, and Alfred Sant, who was then toppled by him
Henry Mifsud
Dec 30th 2011, 12:44
Whichever one looks at this, it is very UNFAIR on Prof. Grech and his family. Justice can never be done unless the culprit or culprits are caught. Only then would Justice be really seen to be done.
George Calleja
Dec 30th 2011, 12:34
Li niskanta hu li tal-Labour kellhom ghaxar snin shah biex jaslu biex isolvu l-kaz imma m'ghamlu xejn ,lanqas fis-sentejn bejn 1996-98. Ghaliex? Jekk kien hemm xi suspetti li xi pulizija nazzjonalisti kienu qed jahbu t-tracci jew xi provi ohra,ghax ma qabdux pulizija Laburisti halli kienu jsolvu l-kaz, forsi!! Dejjem irid jibqa d-dell ta suspett biex il-kwistjoni politika f'dan il-kaz bhal dak ta Raymond Caruana ma jissolvu qatt!! Povri l-vittmi u familthom!!
Carmel Garcia
Dec 30th 2011, 12:12
Was the letter bomb delivered by post or by hand. I have the idea it was delivered by post by a colligue and former Postman, God rest his soul.
Charles J. Buttigieg
Dec 30th 2011, 13:43
Stupid question Carmel. Who would deliver a letter bomb by hand?
A Mifsud
Dec 30th 2011, 14:24
"was delivered by a carpenter with missing fingers." Before you insult people's intelligence read what Prof Grech was alleging.
Peter Agius
Dec 31st 2011, 14:16
I think Mr.Garcia is right......... the parcel was post delivered. In those days bulky post was not controlled at the post-office. it was afterwards that security measures were introduced.
Silvio Scicluna
Dec 30th 2011, 12:10
Is it that difficult to obtain the names of the medical students who were in their final year of 1977/78 and make them public knowledge? It would narrow the list of suspects. The nation has a right to know who was behind this cowardly crime. For all we know it could be a physician who is still practicing on unsuspecting patients.
R. Gauci
Dec 30th 2011, 12:01
Jien dejjem emmint li min wettaq dan l-att, hu jew nies qrib tieghu, kellhom xi kariga potenti fil-pajjiz f'dawn l-ahhar 25-30 sena. Facli taghmel plus u minus, bniedem professjonist aktarx tabib u attiv fil-kamp anti-PL. Ma naqbilx li persuna wahda wettqet l-att, hadd ma jitkellem ghax kollha ghandhom x'jitilfu jekk jinkixef xi hadd minnhom, jitilfu karriera, isem tal-familja etc. ghax dawn mhux semplici kriminali ta` habbagozz. Mhux tip ta` nies li se jmorrulek go bar jiskru u jlabalbu zejjed zgur, jew li se ssib fingerprint taghhom id-depot ghax ikunu wettqu xi atti ohrajn.
Il-Pulizija nemmen li setghet taghmel aktar, illum l-aktar li tista taghmel hu li tqabbad criminal profiler u mill-konkluzjoni tieghu tara jsibux xi hadd li jaqbel, dawn ikunu precizi hafna u kapaci jghidulek l-eta tal-bniedem u x'qed jaghmel illum 30 sena wara. Indizju fuq x'hiex jahdem hemm bosta milli stajna naraw f'Evidenza. Pero l-Pulizija Maltija ghada wisq tardizzjonalista biex tuza ghajnuna ta` dawn in-nies jew psychics, kif isir fl-Amerika mill-FBI fuq kollox.
Giovanni Rizzo
Dec 30th 2011, 13:26
Hekk hu sur Gauci,naqbel mieghek perfettament.
DR EMMANUEL BEZZINA,MA,MAG.JUR.[EU Law],LL.D.,
Dec 30th 2011, 11:54
Basing on this assumption,not necessarily a correct one,surely all medical students who found their way out of Malta and graduated Doctors of Medicine from abroad,particularly in England [ meaning not necessarily in London ] ,can be traced and interviewed. Many of them are operating from clinics in England & Scotland.
Prof. Grech always had my deep sympathies and his and his family`s sufferances were no doubt immense: at a time of immense political tension in my country, Prof. Grech was ever helpful in the delivery of two of my children,the third and the fourth,on which occasions I was personally present. Thank you Profs.
vincent a galea
Dec 30th 2011, 11:44
This all sounds like a real SHERLOCK HOLMES fictional story....
Could there have been some arangement to let sleeping dogs lie, and to treat the KAREN GRECH and RAYMOND CARUANA murders as 'COLLATERAL DAMAGE' ??? !!!!!!!!
Joseph Calleja
Dec 30th 2011, 16:13
No crime was ever solved by the Keystone Kops! And neither will this one.
I Bugeja
Dec 30th 2011, 11:35
Yesterday her father was in tears after recalling what happened to his daughter. The saddest part is that after 34 years and most probably until he dies, he will never know who did it. Sad story indeed.
Tony Sciberras
Dec 30th 2011, 11:34
Get DNA from the stamps.
R. Gauci
Dec 30th 2011, 12:14
Wara 34 sena mhux semplici sakemm din ma nqerditx b'testijiet ohra. Imbaghad ma min se tqabblu d-DNA? La hemm fingerprints din xorta inutli ghax jekk ikollok suspettat ghandek lilhom biex issallbu anqas haqq il-hussle.
Tony Borg
Dec 30th 2011, 11:10
In yesterday's programme emphasis was made that the typewriter used to type the address would have left distinct marks and could hence be matched if the typewriter was found.
If the information given by Prof Grech is correct, then the typewriter used would have belonged to either one of the students or to the legal office where the meetings took place.
I m no investigator but I think that the police should trace documents that were typed using the same typewriter such as court applications (in the case of the legal office) and universtiy assignments (in the case of the students).
Richard Caruana
Dec 30th 2011, 14:54
And you expect to find a typewriter today? Now they're relics of the past!
The question would better be: was the typing on the envelope investigated during that time, and if not why?
From what I heard in the programme yesterday the investigating officers present were none too complementary about the then chief of police Pullicino.
Tony Borg
Dec 30th 2011, 15:51
@ Richard Carauna
If your read my comment I never said to look for a typewriter (even though this was suggested by the expert investigators on tv yesterday).
What I said is to look for a document which was typed by the same typewriter and which can lead to who typed the address on the envelopes.
George Mifsud
Dec 30th 2011, 11:01
Over the past few days, some newspapers headlined that 'Profs Grech knows who his daughter's murderer is' or words of that effect.
At this moment in time, everybody is still in the dark as these past 30 plus years.
Poor dear Karen, when is she going to be allowed to rest in peace?
Mr m. borg (slm)
Dec 30th 2011, 10:58
I think it was done by one of the students. I think he did it alone, all by himself and that’s why it hasn’t come out. If there were... (more people in-volved), as the professor is saying, somebody would have spoken up by now. Some crimes are solved because people talk and, in this case, nobody ever spoke,” Mr Demicoli said, echoing a theory that has been repeated over the years." ........ is this the best theory the police inspector could come up with?
A student acting alone who could mount an exploding letter bomb , IRA type, and get away with it. Give us a break.
Willie Grech
Dec 30th 2011, 10:41
FACTS!
1. Mr. Charles Demicoli was the investigating Police officer of the time.
2. He said that, "during investigations he had searched the houses of various students."
3. He also declared that, “They had the know-how to make a bomb... I went into their houses... and in certain places I found workshops where you could produce anything of the sort,”
4. Mr. Demicoli retired from the Police force in 1981 and joined the notorious Gakketta Blu force of the PN right afterwards thus making him one of the PN's henchman in a era when attacks on various government institutions and personnel were rampant. Coincidences?
QUESTIONS!!
1. As the Police investigation officer, why didn't Inspector Charles Demicoli ask for foreign help like Scotland Yard?
2. If Inspector Demicoli searched and found workshops that had the "know-how to make a bomb" and " in certain places I found workshops where you could produce anything of the sort,” why didn't he pursue his investigations with these people? Again, why didn't he ask for the help of Scotland Yard if he knew they were in the UK?
3. If his theory of a one-person job held ground, why didn't he pursue his theory to fulfil the investigations?
4. Didn't he ever inform the UK authorities that they might be harbouring a killer in their Medical schools/profession?
j brincat
Dec 30th 2011, 10:35
@Antoine Vella
"At the time, the police had little interest in finding the real culprit"
How did you come to this conclusion? Do you have any proof of what you are saying?
You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a statement!
(jb)
A Gouder
Dec 30th 2011, 10:32
The murderer will only be found is all 4th year and 5th year medical students are asked to submit their palm print, and the police should *actively* try to trace all those who are still to co-operate. Then they should publish the names of those who do not come forward. Or better still, since it seems that the police are reluctant to solve this last piece of the puzzle, maybe someone should leak the full list and anyone on it should make a declaration that they have co-operated with the police.
Antoine Vella
Dec 30th 2011, 10:18
At the time, the police had little interest in finding the real culprit but only in blaming the MAM (and, by association, the PN).
Willie Grech
Dec 30th 2011, 11:02
Sur Antoine Vella, nispera li ghadek tiftakar min kien l-Ispettur li nvestiga l-kaz u meta rrizenja lil min kien jirraprezenta.
Nispera li int intelligenti bizzejjed u ma temminx it-teorija li xi gvern ikollu xi interess li joqghod jorganizza u jwerwer lil poplu b'xi attivitajiet kriminali sempliciment biex joqghod iwahhal fl-oppozizzjoni?
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 30th 2011, 12:16
Another shameful & unbelievable post from you, AV.
>he said that during investigations he had searched the houses of various students.
“They had the know-how to make a bomb... I went into their houses... and in certain places I found workshops where you could produce anything of the sort,” he recalled.
The students were never interviewed because when investigations started they had left Malta to continue their studies abroad because the Medical School was closed as a consequence of the doctors’ strike.“This is just my suspicion. It does not necessarily mean that it is correct but I believe it was only one person who did it,” he insisted
and
"Testifying in 2008, Police Inspector Chris Pullicino, who is now handling the case, said the investigation was concentrated on a group of people who were final-year medical students at the time of the incident."
This shows clearly that, contrary to what you declare (without any proof, of course!) the police WERE investigating and trying to do their job.
> He (Profs Grech) spoke of a “hidden hand holding information”, insisting that the case had not been solved due to POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.
As many, many suspect THIS is were the investigations REALLY FALTERED.
Not the police not doing their job.
Not to blame MAM or "by association the PN"
but
POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.
... which again some would say, puts very much into perspective what politicians actually STATED publicly in the run up of the 1987 elections.
Anthony Busuttil
Dec 30th 2011, 09:58
very simple get the finger and palm prints of the 122 mentioned yesterday at all cost. First the authorities should publish the list and ask them voluntarily to give these than act according.
Mr Tony Gatt
Dec 30th 2011, 13:44
As has been suggested, if delivered by post, it should be possible to lift the DNA of whoever licked the stamp.
Victor Vella
Dec 30th 2011, 09:50
I cannot and will never accept the fact that the goverments of Mal;ta since 1977 had never asked a foreign police force to help with this case.Why didn't the Labour goverment of the time ask scotland yard or other police forces to help?The time for this was immediately the case happened so that any evidence was fresh and not tampered with.The father of the victim believes it was a political crime, I believe so to given the circumstances in which it happened,I guess that this crime would never be solved unless we have a death bed confession, may the purpetrator/s of the crime never find peace in their life and live in agony of the fact that they killed a teenager.
Victor Vella
Dec 31st 2011, 10:30
Why asking the Labour for a foreign police intervention? Stop playing the second fiddle? Your former PM the eminent pious EFA said that he knows who killed Karin Grech. Ask Him?
Jason Galea
Dec 30th 2011, 09:33
"The main reason why the crime had not been solved, he added, was because that person never spoke up."
Tal-misthija, mela allura ghalfejn qedghin hemm il-pulizija?
M Farrugia
Dec 30th 2011, 10:09
Il-pulizija qeda hemm sabiex jinvestigaw. Iridu ikunu certa sabiex jakkuzaw lil xi hadd jekk tahseb li inti kapaci issolvi kull kaz li jinqal allura postok fil-pulizija u zgur li tibqa imnizzel fl-istorja bhal the super crime solver police.
Willie Grech
Dec 30th 2011, 10:22
and one wonders why some people who were somewhat involved in certain crimes in those days get promotions, business favours, contracts and so on afterwards!!!!! Maybe as rewards for their closing one eye or both?
Ms Maria Vella
Dec 30th 2011, 11:37
There is no guarantee that the police will be able to solve all crimes unfortunately, and as time passes it becomes more difficult.
I guess if it was just one person who was involved in the crime, then it will make it more difficult.