Updated: Hermann Schiavone is not a PN candidate - party
Hermann Schiavone. Photo taken from Facebook.
Hermann Schiavone is not a candidate of the PN and has been directed not to present himself as one, the Nationalist Party said.
The PN was replying to The Times on claims by Nationalist MP Franco Debono's that Herman Schiavone had accused him of sending an anonymous letter.
"It is unacceptable for the Nationalist Party that a serious allegation is made against one of its MPs by a person who then fails to either substantiate the allegation when asked to do so or to withdraw the allegation," it said.
The PN added that notwithstanding the fact that Dr Schiavone was directed not to present himself as a candidate, he failed to adhere to these instructions.
Dr Debono had said that the Prime Minister's head of secretariat Edgar Galea Curmi had told him Dr Schiavone made the claim in 2009. He said Mr Galea Curmi had told him the allegation had been made about him and another person who was close to another candidate. He was not told who this other person was.
In the 2003 election, candidate Herman Schiavone was forced to withdraw his candidature on the fifth electoral district – the same one contested by Dr Debono – after an anonymous letter alleged he was involved in some wrongdoing.
The other candidates were Ninu Zammit, Louis Galea, Helen d’Amato, Nadine Sciberras, Helga Zahra, Ivan Schembri and Dr Schiavone's wife Anna.
Mr Zammit and Dr Galea were elected in that election. Since Dr Galea had also been elected on another district, Mrs d'Amato took the seat he gave up following a by-election.
The Schiavones were absent from the political scene in the 2008 election but Dr Schiavone later started showing an active interest in becoming a candidate again.
Dr Debono told timesofmalta.com this morning:
"Since I am not an outspoken person I have suffered in silence for months to the serious detriment of my health and I even had to inform the police to protect myself.
I think such an unfounded allegation harms not just me but also the party."
This issue arose after PN general secretary Paul Borg Olivier told The Times last week that given the serious European economic and financial crisis, the instability in world markets and the challenges facing the euro, comments Dr Debono was making about the justice and home affairs ministry were not particularly helpful.
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C Galea
Dec 29th 2011, 07:56
Dr Gonzi show us that you are the leader.Mamma mia
Carmelo Sammut
Dec 29th 2011, 06:30
Sitwazzjoni tal biki qam dan issa !!!!!!!
Carmelo Sammut
Dec 29th 2011, 05:50
special soup of the week .........
Where is Gonzipn dawk l par idejn sodi li kien iwerzaq bihom qabel l election ?
pat muscat
Dec 28th 2011, 23:12
The situation is desperate, the center cannot hold; expect tales of the unexpected. As Cole Porter used to sing, 'Anything goes'!
Mario Grima
Dec 28th 2011, 21:46
Have you noticed that when the PN has its back to a wall they start digging issues to alienate the electorate? These last couple of days we have had the big, big scoop that some shots were fired near Girgenti, making it sound as some sort of terrorist attack and then we had the Schiavone drama, with the PN siding with Dr. Debono on an anonymous letter.
This is a u-turn by the PN to try to appease Dr. Debono, which has given Gonzi until the end of the year to split the Ministry of Justice. Well this soap opera never ceases to amaze and I'll bet my last Euro that nothing will happen. We shall neither have the desired split and nor will Dr. Debono cease to support the governement in parliament.
This looks like a double edged knife; on one side we have a weak Prime Minister who lacks the basics of leadership and is being repeatedly being challenged on important issues by his backbenchers and on the other side we have a drama queen in the form of Dr. Debono who talks laud but acts like a silly softie.
There is only one way out for these silly politicians, Gonzi should call a snap election if he does'nt want to be ridiculed any further and Franco should stick to what he says. If not we shall have to endure the continuation of this silly soap opera, while the country continues to sink in the puddle this irresponsible government has dug itself into.
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 28th 2011, 21:13
I think I can guess the answer but I'm going to ask anyway - perhaps someone can confirm.
Does Dr. Schiavone belong to the "Conservative" wing of the PN or the "Liberal" one...?
P. Ciantar
Dec 29th 2011, 07:31
better ask if Joseph Muscat is liberal socialist social democrat moderate left wing labour all of which a distinct forms from each other
Ivan Grech Mintoff
Dec 29th 2011, 09:27
hahaha!
pat muscat
Dec 28th 2011, 20:49
360 degrees! I smelled something was in the offing when the the PN bloggers started finding a good point or two about Dr Franco Debono! First they ridiculed him to cut him out, but when they saw that the gentleman was not for turning, they changed tune. How pathetic!
John Schembri
Dec 28th 2011, 21:41
If it was 360 degrees as you’re saying than the PN bloggers remained consistent like always!
Does anybody in his right mind vote out HIS party from government for such a triviality?
This is not the party founder protesting against his underling on high utility bills when the price of oil is $30.
Truly what difference would this splitting of police from the justice ministry have on our daily lives?As if we would feel safer!
Victor Vella
Dec 28th 2011, 19:55
Tal-PN jinstabu veru fl-ghafja tal-mewt. Partit imkissir u mfarrak. Sewwa jghidu li hadd wara hadd jasal ta` kulhadd. Tahwid intern. Partit korrott. Ghejra interna . Kilba ghall-poter.Gideb kemm trid forsi tigi wahda tajba. Inkompetenza grassa. Hasil ta` l-imhuh deboli. Poplu maghkus u mgewwah. L-ewwel jien ghal-ministri nazzjonalista li jifdal ghall-fidili li tawhom il-poter. Min mhux maghna kontra taghna. Politika ta` kisser u farrak l`aqwa li min gej waraha jsib kaxxa vojta. Gvern irrisponsabli mibni fuq il-qerq u gideb bla razan. Erga` afdah cucc Malti. Darba ohra mhux cucc jghidlek. Ipprova aqta`. Wara dahrek jaf jikxifilek biex ikkisirilek.
R. Gauci
Dec 28th 2011, 19:18
Il-PN f'paniku u f'tahwid kbir, l-isparatura fuq xi fenek jew xi tajra jew ...... fil-Girgenti zgur tinzel ghasel bhalissa.
Richard Caruana
Dec 28th 2011, 19:17
I have known Dr Schiavone for many years now and he was always a PN activist and loyalist. So something is wrong with Dr Gonzi team. Wake up Dr Gonzi and smell the coffee, don't let people like Dr Schiavone be "haruf tas-sagrificcju" in order to pave way for other back benchers.
Dr Gonzi, take the bull by its horns, if not let the electorate decide.
John Schembri
Dec 28th 2011, 19:16
"The PN added that notwithstanding the fact that Dr Schiavone was directed not to present himself as a candidate, he failed to adhere to these instructions.”
May I ask what Dr Schiavone did which irked the PN so much?
Was it because his Christmas party in aide of the Saint Theresa Home was attended by some six hundred people who happen to beSchiavone’s supporters from Marsaxlokk ,Zurrieq , Safi , Imqabba and Ghaxaq ?
I was there and he didn’t talk politics in his speech.
I think it was a pity that there was no sign of the PN emblem on the board stating that he’s DEJJEM QRIBEK, DEJJEM LEALI.
I hope it was not because Schiavone donated the €1007.50 to the Sorijiet tan-Nigret instead to the PN to which he has been always loyal.
Can’t people who want to be candidates visit other people?
Is this how the PN treats its loyal people who want to be candidates?
When will the fifth district candidates be approved ? Instead of beating around the bush with dubious statements, wouldn’t it be better to approve those candidates instead of reprimanding them, or making statements which need to be deciphered by some legal guru?
These persons want to serve in the fifth district where there is an obvious vacuum and where PN voters (not party members) like me feel deserted.
Schiavone is our ray of hope in this storm created by Franco.
David Mizzi
Dec 28th 2011, 18:40
Emm...... xi hadd kien juza hafna l-kelma KONFUZJONI.... f' daqqa wahda ma smajthiex iktar...
Maria Rosaria Schembri
Dec 28th 2011, 20:20
Farsa ohra ta Dr Gonzi il Haruf tas Sagrificju had mhu hlieh Herman Schiavone lakbar Problema tal PN mi xejn hlief li huma marbutin mas siggu tal Parlament it tmiem wasal mhux fill bghod aktar ma iddumu fill Gvern aktar ser tkun kbira it tkaxkira Partit Arroganti Partit dizonest Partit minghajr Kuxjenza
Min hawn najt lil Dr Franco Debono tibzax mit tedid il Poplu Malti Kollu Warajk id Demokrazijja Tmermret tkisret komplitament is Sena it tajba lil Bniedmin ta rieda Tajba.
j brincat
Dec 28th 2011, 18:37
The way I see things is that the PN strategists are trying to patch things out with Dr Debono. The declaration regarding Schiavone is a confirmation of this.
IMO another u-turn by Dr Debono is not far away, in anycase before his ultimatum to the PM expires!
(jb)
DR EMMANUEL BEZZINA,MA,MAG.JUR.[EU Law],LL.D.,
Dec 28th 2011, 17:46
At a time when the country`s democratic infrastructures are being seriously threatened, at a time when obviously we lack serious and professional, political leadership, at a time when the country`s coffers are dead drained because all has gone to the coffers of the encircled circles, at a time when all is being absorbed by the encircled residents in their ivory towers where they view a deluge and illustrate it as blinding sunlight,at a time when WE THE PEOPLE are showing what a WINTER OF DISCONTENT we are striving through,at a time when WE THE PEOPLE want at all costs a MALTESE SPRING but in accordance with democratic rule.................at a time like this, can we spare such nonsense as this piece of irrelevant information??
MALTA - Quo Vadis ?
John Schembri
Dec 28th 2011, 19:18
MALTA - Quo Vadis .
That was a great film . Was it shot in Malta?
Rodnick Abdilla
Dec 28th 2011, 17:41
B Debono mohna mistrieh, Ta linqas hawn xi hadd fil gvern b kuxjenza veru
Andrew Camilleri
Dec 28th 2011, 17:24
You want to know the soup of the day......just call tal-Pieta....:))))))))))))))))))))
Steve Sant
Dec 28th 2011, 17:19
I would like to contest in the next elections, anyone want me. If the pay is right I'll go anywhere.
julian caruana
Dec 28th 2011, 19:56
we a surname like yours i am afraid you dont have much choice :)
Jeffrey Borg
Dec 28th 2011, 17:01
@mark borg:I beg to differ, actually Franco is making a pudding (tghassida) when he should have made a fruit cake. Hermann Schiavone in the picture here did not cross the party line , he organised a Charity Christmas Party
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390495_322043567819864_100000426693672_1170404_1446692808_n.jpg
and donated all the proceeds for Charity.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402711_322042281153326_100000426693672_1170395_1714376312_n.jpg
His colleague Architect Toni Bezzina
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/388524_317174244972340_100000393003958_1080016_165053781_n.jpg
something similar ,and Manuel Delia
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=678036710&sk=info
was reprimanded because he presented himself as a PN candidate.
If Schiavone is going to be another sacrificial lamb for another time I will consider seriously changing my party allegiance . He has toed the party line and has been TOO LOYAL, while on the other hand Franco is not toeing the party line and being highly disloyal.
If I were Dr Gonzi I would tell Franco in no uncertain terms that if he keeps causing trouble ,the party won’t let Franco contest the next election under the PN ticket .
If Franco stays quite he will stand a remote chance of being a minister in the next legislature.
G Schembri
Dec 28th 2011, 22:03
Herman is towing the party line. Franco Debono is putting the National interest before the party and even before his interest. He saved the PN in the last election, and got the vote of PN supporters who would not have voted or who would have voted for another party. The leaders of the PN know this and would never stop him from contesting the next election.
A Dimech
Dec 28th 2011, 16:51
By the way - I am also a PN candidate for next election!!
let's see if Borg Olivier says that I am not!
Adriano Spiteri
Dec 28th 2011, 16:36
"This issue arose after PN general secretary Paul Borg Olivier told The Times last week that given the serious European economic and financial crisis, the instability in world markets and the challenges facing the euro, comments Dr Debono was making about the justice and home affairs ministry were not particularly helpful."
Neither a Euro500 weekly increase is helpful - stupid!
Henry Jacobs
Dec 28th 2011, 16:20
seems like and interesting plot for _Yes Minister
Noel Mifsud
Dec 28th 2011, 16:10
ARa veru sar partit bla direzzjoni ta, nista najd li jien hiereg ghal elezzjoni bl ma niehu il permess minghand il partit. Gab Malta tad dahq minn Partit mimli kummidjanti
Joseph Busuttil
Dec 28th 2011, 15:53
Well according to Pn Dr Schiavone not a prospective candidate. So how about the rest running around our streets the like of Perit Bezzina. Please let us know Dr Borg Oliver
Mr Mario Pisani
Dec 28th 2011, 15:52
Hermann Schiavone is not a candidate of the PN and has been directed not to present himself as one, the Nationalist Party said .As a resident of Marsaxlokk (5th distrect). am wonder why we still getting postal material .Attending dinners and party - like one of nearly two weeks ago.
silvio loporto
Dec 28th 2011, 16:33
So Dr.Schiavone is not a prospective candidate.
Seems the P.M. has started his retreat, to accomodate Dr.Debono.
When will it all stop?
Carmel Camilleri
Dec 28th 2011, 14:38
DR. Debono has proved himself to be unreliable and disloyal to his PM and his party. The only honourable way out for him is to resign and leave politics for good before the party refuses to endorse him for the next election or before he suffers a humiliating defeat at the polls. His babyish behaviour leave us wonder whether he is fit to be a member of our Parliament.
R Axisa
Dec 28th 2011, 15:37
MPs should be loyal to the people they represent and not the party. If it's the other way round, we are far away from practicing democracy!
Francis Sammut
Dec 28th 2011, 17:14
Dr. Debono has proved himself to be reliable and loyal to our PM, our country and the people. The only honourable way for him is to stay put and stay in politics until the people says otherwise. If he resigns now, that would be the end of our government. If the party does not endorse his candidature, it will be their loss, not his. His steadfast and resiliant behaviour shows him to be a man of steal - a man of the people, for the people. When he was sworn in as a MP he took a solemn oath to be loyal to the Republic of Malta and to the Maltese people. Nothing else matters. I can see he is doing that very well, thank you! We need to remove the blinkers!
G Schembri
Dec 28th 2011, 22:11
What you call his babyish behaviour has worked wonders on roads leading to villages in the 5th district, amongst other things. Keep it up Franco.
Mario Grima
Dec 28th 2011, 14:25
And the soap opera goes on and on................
Does'nt GonziPN think that the electorate has had enough of their antics, but I guess the power seat is too dear to let go!!
Charles Alamango
Dec 28th 2011, 13:54
I think it's about time the prime minister puts an end to this farce. Dr Lawrence Gonzi should address the public directly to clear this mess once and for all. The silence is far too loud! Wish all the readers a Happy New Year.
A Dimech
Dec 28th 2011, 14:42
Hi Charles -
Don't you know that the PM is enjoying a xmas recess at the Girgenti Palace?!!
Lawrence Fenech
Dec 28th 2011, 15:56
Yes, counting his 500's since 2008 and wishing us all a ..............................
mark borg
Dec 28th 2011, 13:54
Hermann Schiavone is not a candidate of the PN .
He is just a fraction of the GONZIPN pudding.
Mr J Xerri
Dec 28th 2011, 13:50
Would Dr Debono be impressed by the PN stating that Herman Schiavone "is not a candidate of the PN" if the real question is not about the candidates contesting the next election with the PN, but the keeping of the Prim Minister's promise to split the Dr Mifsud Bonnici's Ministry.
And after all the statement is about the present "is not" and surely somebody once bitten ( The Prime Minister tried to wriggle out of his promise to Debono by stating that no time-frame was set) is twice shy, as after all candidates are approved when the election race begins and it will be easy for the PN to find one excuse or other, to change their stance about Schiavone and other candidates.
rita Farrugia
Dec 28th 2011, 13:47
@ A Dimech
Ahjar sibt soluzzjoni lill- PL biex forsi jitla fil-gvern, ghax nahseb xbajt tistenna.
Is-sena t-tajba lill- poplu kollu.
A Dimech
Dec 28th 2011, 14:39
Ha Ha Ha :-
Inti tafni lili? Taf li jien kont wiehed li kont nivvotta PN fil-Passat?
Jiena nahseb li ftit xhur/jiem ohra sa tiehu r-risposta....
Paul Micallef
Dec 28th 2011, 14:48
Kuntenta qisek taqla bis sieq mill gvern tieghek int Sinjura!
Andrew Cumbo
Dec 28th 2011, 19:12
Tiehux hsieb Ms Farrugia, ghandna hafna li kienu maghkhom u li l-llum qeghdin maghna biex fliemkien nfasslu soluzzjonijiet li qeghda tghid int. U dawn gew min rajhom ghax xebbajtuwom bl- arroganza li qeghdin tmexxu biha.
Neal Debono
Dec 28th 2011, 13:39
Dear Charles Sammut.
your comment is not appreciated in any shape or form.
Being Loyal for 28 years to the same party ( Like Mr. Schiavone has been) does not necessarily mean one is a slave. Perhaps this lack of Loyalty and containment from individuals the likes of Franco is what is truly shoking. He is truly pathetic and is acting in a very childish manner shame on him.
D. Xerri
Dec 28th 2011, 13:25
A Christmas Pudding by GonziPN ! Par Idejn Sodi Iggranfati mal-Poter !
Anthony Said
Dec 28th 2011, 14:21
Iggranfati mal-Poter kien xi hadd li hataf il-poter fl-1981 kontra l-maggoranza assoluta tal-poplu.
Paul Micallef
Dec 28th 2011, 14:46
Sur Said, insejt li dak iz zmien il kostituzzjoni kienet tghid li l maggoranza tas siggijiet jirbhu l elezzjonijiet. Urejtuna INTOM min veru ggranfa mal poter bil protesti li kontu taqilghu u l 'incidenti' li kienu jigru!
Lawrence Fenech
Dec 28th 2011, 15:59
@Said.
Imma xorta wahda kien ragel u irranga l-affarijiet sew ghax kieku rid baqa hemm ghax kien kapaci, ghalhekk wara tela' il-PN.
Mr silvio axisa
Dec 28th 2011, 16:29
@ Said
Int tafha l-istorja jew??? Kieku kien iggranfat mal-poter kien jibqa hemm, PM sal-1987, imma taf li li meta ra li ma setax jikkonvinci lil ta' madwaru biex tissejjah elezzjoni ohra fi ftit zmien wara...x'ghamel??? telaq hu!!! Tal-1981, kien rizultat xi ftit skomdu ghall-gvern imma kien kollox legali...seta' gara l-istess bi ftit voti fid-distrett ta' Hal-Qormi fl-1971, ghal min irid ikun jaf l-istorja...
Carmel Cilia
Dec 28th 2011, 16:44
Ghal informazzjoni tieghek sur Said ilgvern illum qieghed imexxi bhal fl1981 bis sahha tal kostituzzjoni u knotra ix xewqa tal maggoranza. Mela insejt hija li il maggoranza assoluta din id darba il-P.N ma gabiex.
A Dimech
Dec 28th 2011, 13:13
Jiena nahseb is-soluzjoni tal-PN hija din.
Hadt ma jibqa fil-partit hlief Franco u Gonzi!!
is-sena t-tajba lil Kulhadd!
Mr m. borg (slm)
Dec 28th 2011, 13:09
"This issue arose after PN general secretary Paul Borg Olivier told The Times last week that given the serious European economic and financial crisis, the instability in world markets and the challenges facing the euro,...." as far as one is concerned these are more the finance minister's concern , gonzi had abdicated the finance ministry . What all this has to do with the splitting up of the Justice and Home Affairs ministry is beyond comprehension.
Mr Joseph Galea
Dec 28th 2011, 13:07
PN mix and mix soup!! Every day gets more souped up!!
Charles Sammut
Dec 28th 2011, 12:47
Does Schiave one mean..number one slave?
Mr Aquilina Joseph
Dec 28th 2011, 12:47
I My name is joseph aquilina .let me put this straight.no HERMAN NO VOTE AND IF FRANCO IS LET TO CONTEST NO VOTE..Let us see now what will happen.you you pass my name on if anyone asks for it. IL COCKS
charles tabone
Dec 28th 2011, 12:29
is-soltu skerzi PN. Manwel Delia mhux kandidat PN. Herman Schiavone mhux kandidat PN. La toqrob l-elezzjoni jkollhom in nihil obstat tal-PN u jkomplu jahmu mill-ahjar li jistghu.
A Dimech
Dec 28th 2011, 12:27
x' tahwid!!!
minestra u bolognese x'daqqa sar il-PN!!
Charles Caruana Carabez
Dec 28th 2011, 12:24
Whatever the outcome of this internicine strife, I hope the Speaker is not pulled in to save the bacon. Though I personally greatly respect the gentleman, he was not elected, and should not have the most important vote of all. Or is this nonsense?
Joseph Aquilina
Dec 28th 2011, 12:49
The speaker can only vote when both sides have the same number of votes. If Franco votes against the government then the speaker cannot vote, majority is lost, and most probably an election is called ...
Lawrence Fenech
Dec 28th 2011, 16:02
@Aquilina.
You know that Frendo speaker will not vote against the GonziPN. There are three musketeers who would not thing twice to do so.
Joseph Aquilina
Dec 28th 2011, 12:11
So Franco Debono had serious health problems because Edgar Galea Curmi told him some had told him that he wrote an unonymouse letter. Then what would have Franco Debono have if this person filed a police report? He would have droped dead on the spot?? I am sorry to say this, Franco indeed has some very good points but I guess he is too focused on damaging the party rather then doing what is best for the people. With his attitude the country is going into election fever. This, after Christmas, might mean people stopping from buying anything waiting to see who'll be in power next, Investors stopping investing waiting to see who is in power next... all things that are very bad for the country which economically os not doing so bad. It is prime time that Franco sees what is really best for the country at this point in time. Having two ministers instead of one is just smoke since the next PM will still be free to have one or two ministers for this job...
John Borg
Dec 28th 2011, 12:03
why was a question asked about whether Herman Schiavone is a candidate or not? The question should have been whether the party executive has approved ANY candidate yet!
Herman Schiavone is not a candidate because the election has not yet been announced.. No one is a candidate, not even Franco Debono ...
Jeffrey Borg
Dec 28th 2011, 17:03
Hats off to John Borg.
E. Vassallo
Dec 28th 2011, 12:02
Quo vadis PN? Ara vera waqajtu fil-baxx biex qed tpaxxu f'kollox lill Franco. Jien mhux l-ewwel darba li ktibt favur il-Pn fuq il-comment board tat Times imma issa ma jistax jkun ikollna lill Napuljun jiddeciedi kollox kif irid hu. Min qed imexxi Gonzi jew Napuljun?
D. Xerri
Dec 28th 2011, 12:01
Aktar Tahwid u Tgerfix Madwar GonziPN !
Tony Mangion
Dec 28th 2011, 11:57
Il-Partit Nazzjonalista lanqas madwaru stess mhu kapaci jzomm daqxejn ordni, ahseb u ara kemmhu kapaci jmexx lill-Malta u Ghawdex. Zomm sod Dr Debono, jghidu x'jghidu is-Sinjuri Demartino u Seychell.
Michael Seychell
Dec 28th 2011, 12:10
Tony - I do not know to which 'Seychell' you are referring, since in my case I have not submitted any comments on this or other media.
In any case - for old times sake - I hope you had a peacful Christmas and wish you a Happy and Prosperous Ney Year.
Michael Seychell
Tal-Pieta
j brincat
Dec 28th 2011, 11:48
Getting complicated by the minute!
Has the PN sunk so low?
(jb)
Joe Balzan
Dec 28th 2011, 11:41
Htija tieghi, Htija tieghi, l-akbar htija tieghi li vvutajt lil GonziPN fl-elezzjoni li ghaddiet.
Joseph Aquilina
Dec 28th 2011, 12:42
Because your life will not continue as before unless Gonzi will agree to have two Ministers rather then one? Do you even know the subject being discussed? How does it effect you so much (this issue not other issues)
Joe Balzan
Dec 28th 2011, 13:20
@Joseph Aquilina
Of course it affects me so much. The government should be focused on the Eurozone crisis at the moment not on the crap of this members.
Ray Spiteri
Dec 28th 2011, 10:57
Hawadni ha nifmek. GonziPN time is over. EX. PN
Joe Scerri
Dec 28th 2011, 10:34
What a complete mess.