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Updated - Sceberras Trigona in sharp exchanges with interviewer in PBS programme

Interviewer reacts after former minister's 'insults'

Parts of an interview with PL international secretary Alex Sceberras Trigona on Radio Malta this morning degenerated after the former foreign minister objected to questions asked by interviewer Chris Scicluna on l-istampa kollha.

The temperature started to rise when the interviewer noted that Dr Sceberras Trigona had built strong relations with various leaders, such as Col Gaddafi.

He asked Dr Sceberras Trigona how he felt when he  saw Col Gaddafi captured and killed. Dr Sceberras Trigona said he never had a personal relationship and he objected to be questioned in this way. He had worked as a foreign minister or international secretary in the interests of the country. The PN, he said had been waging a disgusting, slanderous campaign where it tried to imply that PL officials had a personal relationship.

The interviewer insisted that he had not asked about a 'personal' relationship. 

Dr Sceberras Trigona said he had been asked about relationships. He agreed that medals to people such as Col Gaddafi and (former Tunisian President) Tunisian President Ben Ali were withdrawn, but had Eddie Fenech Adami returned the Al Fatah medal which Col Gaddafi sent him?

Amid arguments with the interviewer, who wanted to move on, Dr Sceberras Trigona insisted he had a duty to explain on the question he had been asked.

He asked how, during the Hannibal Gaddafi controversy between Libya and Switzerland, the PN government had defended Hannibal Gaddafi. The PN in government stuck out its neck for Col Gaddafi's son. Why therefore, did the PN try to imply that it was PL officials who had personal relationships with Libya?

As Mr Scicluna tried to turn to other questions, Dr Sceberras Trigona asked him why he wanted his personal views on Gaddafi when he had not asked the same questions to PN International Secretary John Bonello (who, he said, had not turned up for a previous programme). This was not fair, Dr Sceberras Trigona said.

This was a shame, this was disgusting and approaching the filth seen elsewhere he said - which later resulted to be a reference to BondiPlus.  This interview, he warned, was approaching  partisanship and filth because it was being held on PBS and the programme should be balanced. This line of questioning was not. He warned Mr Scicluna to be careful as he was on state radio and had to maintain a balance.

Mr Scicluna then played a recording of comments by Beppe Fnech Adami where he said that Dr Sceberras Trigona should resign from his post in the PL because of the relations he had built with Libya and had even organised Dr Muscat's first visit to Libya.

Dr Sceberras Trigona said the interviewer was Dr Fenech Adami's puppet and this was obscene and there was no balance.

Mr Scicluna said he was giving Dr Sceberras Trigona a full 50 minutes to reply.

Dr Sceberras Trigona asked Mr Scicluna why had he not had the guts to get Dr Bonello, the PN international secretary to the programme? This was obscene imbalance which the Broadcasting Authority should see. Why hadn't Mr Scicluna produced a recording of what Mr Bonello would have said?

Mr Scicluna told Dr Sceberras Trigona repeatedly that he had every chance to reply, but he was refusing.

Dr Sceberras Trigona retorted that Mr Scicluna was being arrogant, like the government.  He said, however that he would reply, despite the tricks.

Mr Scicluna said there were no tricks. Dr Sceberras Trigona said these were tricks as these questions were not asked to John Bonello.

However, he added, Dr Fenech Adami had no right to demand any Labour official's resignation because he was not a member of the party. He should ask why his father had not returned the medal, how Gonzi had been the last prime minister to meet Col Gaddafi and how median line talks had failed.

Relations should be judged by what was achieved. The Labour governments got the Jerma and Mista village through Libyan investment and financial protocols from Italy. There was nothing under the PN governments. Only words.

Asked about reports of funds having been transferred from Libya to the Labour Party, Dr Sceberras Trigona retorted that the same source also claimed that Malta under the PN was a base for terrorists. 'How would you comment to that?' he asked Mr Scicluna, pointing out that he  was a former secretary of then foreign minister Michael Frendo and a government 'puppet'...

'We told you, we issued an official statement, but if you want to stick to that source, tell me how Malta was a terrorist state," Dr Sceberras Trigona said.

Mr Scicluna objected to being called a puppet.

"I am asking you, I have before me the international secretary of the PL and foreign minister at the time..." Mr Scicluna said.

"And I have before be a puppet of the PN government," Dr Sceberras Trigona replied.

He also pointed out he was not foreign minister at the time...

Mr Scicluna said he had not said that he (Sceberras Trigona) had been responsible for the funds.

Dr Sceberras Trigona warned him to therefore hold his tongue about such innuendoes aimed at hiding what was taking place now.

Asked whether the PL had received funds, Dr Sceberras Trigona told Mr Scicluna to ask his source. This was the source that had said the PN was a terrorist state for year. The government had not commented, seemingly ignoring this source. So why should he reply?

He did not know what happened after his term, but, Dr Sceberras Trigona pointed out, this was subject to a libel case.

When Mr Scicluna moved to another clip by Beppe Fenech Adami, Dr Sceberras Trigona again protested loudly of imbalance and said Mr Scicluna should have invited the PN international secretary.

In the clip, Dr Fenech Adami spoke of CIA claims of Libyan funding to the PL, saying the PL had remained silent.

Dr Sceberras Trigona said remarks were made by Joseph Muscat on February 27 and April 13. Other statement were made by other PN officials. And Dr Fenech Adami had not even quoted correctly from the CIA report and made it sound like Libya was funding the Labour Party now. All these were lies. But all this was filth not befitting state radio. This was more suitable for Net. This was total filth.

When he was asked for his views on the situation in the EU, Dr Sceberras Trigona again said he would address his interviewer as a PN puppet.

He insisted that the success or otherwise of Malta's foreign affairs had to be judged by the results for Malta and not what was taking place in the EU or elsewhere. In the case of the EU, one had to see whether it was necessary for Malta to have such financial exposure to the countries facing problems, such as Greece.

And was the government defended Malta's financial services sector amid efforts to introduce a financial transaction tax? The government was not saying anything. The UK had taken a stand when its financial sector was some 7% of its GDP. The Maltese financial sector accounted for 12% of Malta's GDP but was the government defending Malta's corner?

Similarly, in Libya's case, was the government seeking compensation for those Maltese who had lost business?

Asked if Malta was better off in or out of the EU, Dr Sceberras Trigona said some promises had not been realised, like the Lm100 cash injection. However the issue was now final. Malta was in the EU. But there had been a lot of hype about what Malta was to get from the EU but this had not been realised. This was what should be presented to the people to consider.

ALFRED SANT

Earlier, replying to questions about his relationship with Alfred Sant, Dr Scerras Trigona said the breaking point was the fact that Dr Sant had linked confidence in his government to a simple resolution in the House. That, he insisted, had not been a motion of no confidence and the President himself had had the authority not to call the election. That the President - Ugo Mifsud Bonnici - called the election was an exaggeration.

Asked to make comparisons between the party leaders, Dr Sceberras Trigona said that taking a position against Mintoff was like punching a rock, with Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici was like punching water, creating a splash but then things returned to normal.

DOM MINTOFF

Comparisons, he said, were odious. But if he could say something about Dr Muscat, it was that he checked matters well and sometimes repeatedly, like Mintoff did. H was a careful man, and this was very commendable in a man who could be a future prime minister.

Dr Sceberras Trigona said he remained in contact with Mr Mintoff, who sometimes visited him at home and they enjoyed discussing the past and the present.

Dr Sceberras Trigona said it was interesting how the PL now had a whole profile of generations within it.

This contrasted with the PN where Louis Galea was no longer there, Guido de Marco had passed away, that was no one's fault, and Eddie Fenech Adami seemed to be trying to make a return but this was discordant since he was a former President and he was taking a position in favour of a small part of the PN against the others, possibly to help his son. John Dalli was also out. Thus the stratum of age in the PL which represented a wide cross-section of the people did not exist in the PN.

The PN had a limited age bracket and people like Gonzi and Gatt had no one above them whose experience they could call on. At the same time, the Gonzi-Gatt age bracket was holding the younger ones from advancement.

Asked whether the PL would win the next election, Dr Sceberras Trigona said one could not say. Were it to be held today, he felt the PL would win, but things could change in many ways.

As to whether he would be an election candidate, he said that in terms of party rules, he could not be a candidate because party officials had to step down from their role two years before an election was due. 

INTERVIEWER'S REACTION

In a reaction after the programme, interviewer Chris Scicluna said: "Alex Sciberras Trigona today had 50 whole minutes to express his views freely, without a sparring partner from the PN side. Alex Sciberras Trigona opted to throw a flurry of insults and unfounded allegations at me, as presenter of the show, instead of answering questions about his stance on Libya.

"I am sure that our listeners expected Dr. Sciberras Trigona to show more respect when debating in a civil environment and that his outburst clearly showed he felt uncomfortable when faced with legitimate questions about his past.

"As a presenter, my role is to ask and I leave it to listeners to decide about his  reaction when questioned about Libya.

"There was absolutely no need for any of his aggressive outbursts. No amount of insults, bullying, outbursts, condescending adjectives and warnings will stop me from continuing to ask legitimate questions to anyone who holds answers," Mr Scicluna said.

The programme can be access on  http://snd.sc/sy6BJa

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Victor Laiviera

Dec 20th 2011, 11:25

How true, Mr Vella. PBS should be much more careful about who it engages to run its programs. Third-rate party hacks masquerading as journalists have no place on Public Broadcasting. But then what do you expect? Even Jeffrey Pullicino Orland suddenly acquired a press-card when it suited the PN.

Ms.D. Galea

Dec 20th 2011, 16:59

@Mr Laiviera;

""Third-rate party hacks masquerading as journalists have no place on Public Broadcasting."

True. Their place is on the newspaper blogs carrying out instructions from ONE Media.

M Farrugia

Dec 19th 2011, 13:15

il-passat jekk jinbidel il-gvern jista ikun il-mera tal-futur u ghalhekk kulhadd ghandu jixtar dak li jintqal u dak li ridu jippruvaw inessu.

charles tabone

Dec 19th 2011, 15:04

Jekk trid naqilghulek il=passat tal-PN hemm hafna xi xxommu taht abtkom. Habib, min ma jharisx lejn il-futur b'VIZJONI u bi pjanijiet zgur li bhan-naghma ghandu rasu mdahhla fir-ramel. Ahna li kuljum mikulin mill-prezent ta' gvern sterili infittxu l-futur b'qalbna qawwija li s-sewwa jirbah (mhux hekk qal il-kap tieghek?)

George Azzopardi

Dec 19th 2011, 12:56

that is may some PN bloggers here's wish .. including yours it seems. Keep it up using this strategy!

Ms Rudi Mcbeal

Dec 19th 2011, 17:33

That is just the plain truth, Mr Azzopardi, whether you like it or not. I assure you that I have no ties or anything to do whatsover with the NP - I am simply stating a fact, that's all. Just to put your mind at rest.

r spiteri

Dec 19th 2011, 11:36

So no PBS journalist can ask about Sciberras Trigona's past?

Victor Laiviera

Dec 19th 2011, 11:50

There is a difference between putting hard questions to every side in politics and ambushing those who are on the other side. Especially on national broadcasting.

Surely you can see that?

Mr Peter Barbara

Dec 19th 2011, 12:01

NOTHING but NOTHING can be more imbalanced than Xandir Malta was in the past - it is useless haranguing that it took place 25 years ago, and we should move on -yes we should move on, but please respect all those who remember those times and do not act the goody goody!!

Victor Laiviera

Dec 19th 2011, 13:16

@ Mr Barbara

In those days, it is true, there were some individuals (some of them now prominently active in PN ranks) who had too much power and abused the system. But it was an individual effort.

Nowadays it is much worse because it is organised from the very top - look at the way all the top posts in PBS are packed with hand-picked nationalists from the Gonzi faction of the PN.

John Scerri

Dec 19th 2011, 13:49

Alas i must say that Dr.Franco Debono was still too young to understand the shear brainwashing technique used during the Labour regime in order to create a socialist race of youngsters singing political songs during young childrens programmes depficting the opposition as some inferior race .

History is there , it will stay there , no one will change it , all the disgusting news issued on the media public licence paid TV ...which was the one and only at that time was with the aim of eliminating any opposition.

But........... everyone knows that 'Is- Sewwa rebah u jirbah dejjem.' no matter how long it will take and those who reject the known truth will one day find out how wrong they were , as has already happened.

Those who never learn are those who are so selfish to say sorry and apologize publicly for insulting their fellow countrymen's intelligence during the Labour regime .

Pat Hobson

Dec 19th 2011, 15:29

Much like your master!

mark borg

Dec 19th 2011, 20:17

Are you referring to Dr Sciberras Trigona as being the Hmar ??

Joe... You wish you could accomplish one hundredth of what this gentlemen has during his 16 years serving the country as a minister and also at his capacity as a Notary.......before opening your mouth and calling names others make sure you are of a better category....which I am sure .....You are not even worth to tie the laces of Dr Sciberras Trigona !!!

Mr Joe Micallef

Dec 20th 2011, 16:22

mark borg

"Joe... You wish you could accomplish one hundredth of what this gentlemen has during his 16 years serving the country as a minister and also at his capacity as a Notary"

NOT IN MY WORST NIGHTMARES!

Sebastian Hawks

Dec 19th 2011, 14:20

Are you refering to this government of the one of the 70's and 80's?

What is obvious to me is that to the PL, anything that can embarass them is interpreted as biased against them.
This is just paranoia but at the same time i do not blame them for bieng paranoid with so much in their past to be embarassed about.
It can't be easy to ask them anything without pressing a sensitive button.

Mark. Galea

Dec 19th 2011, 09:23

@Pat Hobson

If PL fields the same mintoffian candidates of the 70's and 80's, how can it change? You know the saying about the pig and it's tail?

Pat Hobson

Dec 19th 2011, 11:02

@Mark Galea. At least the candidates, which you refer to as Mintoffian, are better than the whole lot than the Gonzi has to contend with. It's by his own admission when he said that the talent pool he's got is limited. On the PL side, the talent pool has become a lake, and it's sending shivers down the PN's spine, now that the elections are on the horizon! This piece of news, here, is nothing short of bullying. Yes, bullying the voters by cornering the PL representatives in such a way as to have no way out, and hence the outbursts. It's a malignant way of doings politics, and the PN are masters in subterfuge. We've had good examples in the past, and now we're sampling them again!

Mark. Galea

Dec 19th 2011, 11:35

@ Pat Hobson

from where does PL get this lake ot talent? Please remember that PL has been keeping the opposition benches warm for 25 years ... PL may have become an expert in opposition, but governing without experience may prove a bit too hard (as in the 22 month stunt).

A year ago I would have thought it was impossible for PN to get another turn ... today, I say PN have a good chance to win next elections ... PL proved itself a myth when it had the best candidate around for leader and left him out - you see, Gonzi saw him and managed to get him out of the way ...

Pat Hobson

Dec 19th 2011, 12:39

@Mark Galea. Continue with your daydreaming! If you think that the PL hasn't got a chance to win the next elections, than I'm really sorry for you. If you see the surveys going on, especially by a local english paper, and it's not pro-labour, has Joseph Muscat's trust ratings at percentage point above Lawrence Gonzi's. And that's not all, at the present chances of the PL of winning the elections, are all the time increasing, thanks to your sorry lot of PN parliamentarians (not the whole lot anyway)!

Wenzu Vella

Dec 19th 2011, 07:44

Sur Briffa il poplu Malti ghandu vera bzonn jiftah ghajneh biex jara ID-DEJN LI INTHOM TA PN DAHHALTU IL MALTA FIEH. Infakkrek u tinsija qatt din kull cittadin Malti wahhaltulu dejn ta 17,000 euro. Imhatra li twahhal fil PL ta dan ukoll ..

Mr Anthony Briffa

Dec 19th 2011, 08:35

Sur Vella, you and your ilk in the PL are totally confused about the national debt. I won't blame you because the MLP/PL have nothing to show for the debt with China for example - the white elephant under Corradino Hill with the name of Red China Dock, the Chocolate Factory, the Glass Factory, the Factory of the 1,000, the Carpet factory, etc. By the way repayment of this massive loan was linked to the gold value at time of repayment.

On the contrary the PN since 1987 had to re-build Malta and in the process constructed a new power station in Delimara, New Air Port Terminal, New Hospital, contstructed arteial roads to european standards, etc. You can look around you and you can see how we were under Labour upto 1987, and how we are living now under the PN.

Suffice to say that thanks to the PN you can comment freely, without any intimidation on the online media. Government employees are free to bring in with them any newspaper without intimidiation and scrutiny of the labour hang abouts by the main doors of government departments. I dare you to contradict me on this.

The PL has no one leg to stand on. Yes I repeat, open your eyes Maltese electorate before it is too late.

Wenzu Vella

Dec 19th 2011, 13:05

Sur Briffa insabtek nasba tajba bellajtlek il lixka bis-sunnara u comba bkollox. Aktar ma tharref aktar taqa ghac-cajt u tikxef limbrolji ta gvernijiet ta PN.
17,000 ewro dejn ghal kull ras ta citaddini Maltin din verita ASSOLUTA HARREF SUR BRIFFA.

Richard Caruana

Dec 19th 2011, 07:57

Ara ma jmurx jisma' minnek..... l-aqwa arma li ghandu l-PN huma nies bhal dan!

Rachel Galea

Dec 19th 2011, 12:46

Mr. Emmen, You do not have to vote labour to get rid of PN ministers you just have to encourage people to give their vote to the younger and newer PN candidates. With our electoral system you can keep the same party in goverment with the same forward looking ideals and at the same time get rid of those people you think did not do a good job in the last cabinet..... just do not vote for them

David Bezzina

Dec 19th 2011, 17:10

@Rachel Galea - What new candidates ?

David Bezzina

Dec 19th 2011, 18:30

WELL,WE ARE DEFINETELY NOT GOING TO GET A NEW PN EITHER !

Richard Caruana

Dec 19th 2011, 08:01

We have now come to the point where a journalist must declare his political allegiance. What arrogance!

The more a journalist is politically opposed to his interviewee, the more the latter has to tackle him with kid gloves.

Gone are the days of 'jekk mhux maghna, kontra taghna'. Certainly this is not the way to make political gain.

John Buhagiar

Dec 19th 2011, 08:21

Anthony, aren't you a PL candidate?

Where in the comment above have you declared your bias?

Veru kaz LI kullhadd jaghtik milli jkollu

Anthony Pace Gouder

Dec 19th 2011, 09:23


Its quitecurious that some commenters here don't realize, or want to overlook the fact. that a good number of ex-Radio101 and Net TV Personalities have gradually MIGRATED to the National Station PBS !

Stephen Sultana

Dec 18th 2011, 21:54

No. What offends in this case is the rudeness of Trigona toward the journalist.

Antoine Vella

Dec 18th 2011, 21:20

Laiviera, Sceberras Trigona gave everyone an excellent object lesson in how arrogant, insolent, intolerant and verbally violent Labour still is.

Between Sceberras Trigona and Anglu Farrugia, the PN is getting quite a helping hand in exposing what the PL stands for.

E Zammit

Dec 18th 2011, 21:25

L-arroganza ghada tigri fil-vini u l-kurituri tal-passat. Ta' xejn tippruvaw taghtu l-impressjoni li nbdiltu, Il-PL ghadu ma' nbidilx! Jidher li l-lezzjoni ghadu ma tghallimix!

Hasra hux, ghaliex wara kollox l-alternanza tal-poter hija haga tajba u ta' gid ghal-pajjiz. Kont qed nittama, li l-PL taht Dr.Joseph Muscat seta' jibdel l-vija tal-partit tieghu, izda jewwilla gharrali bil-kbir.

Aktar ma jghaddi zmien, aktar ninduna li sew jghid il-Malti : min jghix bit-tama, jmut bil-piena.

Victor Laiviera

Dec 18th 2011, 21:45

On the other hand we need no help to know what the PN stands for - incompetence and sleaze.

Any idea who is to bear responsibility for the Bickle Debacle?

Mario J Spiteri

Dec 18th 2011, 23:15

What do you expect dear pners? Are you try to teach us how like you did - to borrw €500 increase weekly?
That strategy because the election is round the corner & try to make us afraid of auch old bad stories to make them present? Try to be fair if you know that The PL had paid for that bad things/stories.
The past is past, all we need is to learn & move forward. PN does not be the right preacher to show us "LIKE A VIRGIN"

mario salnitro

Dec 18th 2011, 21:15

Inti bis-serjeta jew?

Stephen Sultana

Dec 18th 2011, 21:55

Ezatt

Ms.D. Galea

Dec 18th 2011, 22:53


It is the Labour party and its senior members who are in the business of trying to convince us all as to what a fantastic lot they are and why they deserve to be in government in less then twoyears time ,NOT a Mr. journalist trying to do his job.

In the meantime, Dr. AST with his behaviour at the interview continues to be one of the PN's best assets.

mario salnitro

Dec 18th 2011, 21:14

You should all wear horse blinkers.
Ara veru ma tisthux.

Deo Catania

Dec 18th 2011, 19:34

tidher kemm int newtrali Lawrence Calleja, imwerwrin kollha kemm intom ghax daqt se jkollkom twarbu minn hemm halli nibdew innadfu l-hmieg minn warajkom u ngibu dal-pajjiz fi stat li jixraqlu.

Paul Caruana

Dec 18th 2011, 19:47

@ Lawrence Calleja

Il-kummenti tieghek gieli rajtom ... u newtrali nikkonferma li m'intiex. Anke meta PL johorgu b'wahda tajba, arak tikteb kontrihom. Tuza kliem helu biex tohrog tal-bravu biss!

J Busuttil

Dec 18th 2011, 19:58

@ Deo Catania

Comments like yours are damaging the PL who are are very preoccupied with comments like yours and others who are regular bloggers on this site

Leonard Brincat

Dec 18th 2011, 20:14

@ Paul Caruana

X'hemm li jipreokkupak fil kumment li kiteb is sur Catania. Mhux veru irridu jaghmlu taqliba shiha jekk jitilaw il PL. L-ewwel mizura tkun li innehu il pastazata ta 500 zieda li taw lilhom infushom

DAVID D. PACE

Dec 18th 2011, 20:29

kieku int bniedem onestament NEWTRALI, ma tiehux decizjoni wara li tisma lis-segretarju internazzjonali ....insomma ghandi dubju kbir kemm smajt il-programm. Probabli qed tikunmenta biex minghalik timpresjonana...

Joseph Micallef

Dec 18th 2011, 20:53

@ J Busuttil. I know this is a bit out of point- but I could not help comment sorry. Your phrase: "bloggers to this site" is total nonsense. People who comment on the times are not called "bloggers" - A blogger is someone who owns a blog and regularly writes articles in it. If The Times of Malta were a blog, (which it is not), then the authors of articles in it would be the bloggers. We are mere commentators here. I am repeating this because this misuse of the term is repeated regularly here and in the media in general. Please visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog - for a detailed definition of a blog (hence a blogger).

Leonard Brincat

Dec 18th 2011, 20:53

Il kumment tieghi kien ghas Sur Busuttil u mhux ghas sur Caruana

Anthony Pace Gouder

Dec 18th 2011, 21:44

Jien Newtrali ( bhalissa) ghallhekk nistaqsik. Int f'Malta qed tghaix ?

''Jiddettaw huma u jghaddu minn fuq KULLHADD basta li taghhom biss tajjeb'' Rajna dan isehh u tixraq ferm lill-GONZI-PN fl-ahhar tlett snin ! ....... U FUQ KOLLOX ,mhux obvja li kull Partit ikollu l'ghan li jkun fil-poter ?

Ahna ahna jew mahniex !

Reinhard Azzopardi

Dec 19th 2011, 07:35

@Deo Catania,

Oqghod naqra attent habib. Sewwa qallek J Busuttil. Hemm nies li ghandhom il-mentalita li ghandek inti li qed jaghmlu hsara kbira lil partit laburista. Jien nazzjonalist pero kelli n-Nannu (Alla jaghtih il-Glorja tal-Genna) laburist hardcore u konna niddiskutu fit-tul. Pero d-diskors bejnietna qatt ma ddigenera u grazzi lilu, irrispettajt il-fehmiet tieghu u tal-partit laburista. Pero, f'dawn l-ahhar erba snin hdima ma persuna li hu qrib hafna tal-partit laburista u ghalkemm bhala bniedem fuq livell personali huwa bniedem fantastiku, l-ideali politici tieghu huma bhal ma huma tieghek u kemm domt naghmilha mieghu indunajt li l-mentalitajiet vjolenti u militanti tal-partit laburista ghadhom hemm u ghadhom qawwijin. Issa naf diversi laburisti ohra li huma moderati sew pero l-atteggjament ta nies bhalkom qieghed ibieghed lil certi nies li forsi bhalissa m'humiex decizi mill-partit.

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