Patrick Cooke
Bouncers involved in savage beating of Brits
The injury suffered by the man who wants to remain anonymous because he fears reprisals.
A British man and woman claiming they were brutally attacked inside and outside a nightclub by up to 10 men including bouncers, have accused police of running scared of their attackers.
“It’s outrageous; it seems that Paceville is a zone of illegality where bouncers run the show,” the man told The Sunday Times.
Trouble started for the 24-year-old Welshman and an Englishwoman, both working in igaming in Malta, at around 5 a.m. on December 4.
The woman was punched in the face by a man dressed in a security uniform, whom she accused of dealing drugs in the women’s toilets at a nightclub.
After being dragged outside by security, the woman took refuge in a neighbouring club as the man was set upon by a pack of men “who seemed to come out nowhere” while the door staff looked on.
One of his attackers even threw a bottle at his face from close range that struck him on the bridge of the nose.
When the blows stopped and he staggered away, he says the club bouncers just stood there glaring at him.
He then spent the next 20 minutes staggering around covered in blood, imploring people to call the police, but “they were just staring at me like I was an animal in the zoo.” Eventually a police car turned up and he filed a report.
“The bouncers and their friends were still standing there and I was pointing at them – begging police to arrest the culprits. But it was obvious they were scared to do anything.”
He was taken to hospital in an ambulance with a fractured nose and heavy facial bruising. The Englishwoman accompanied him and had to be fitted with a neck brace.
After being released from hospital later that day the man filed a report at St Julian’s police station.
The male victim identified one of the suspects from photos and was informed he was the son of one the bouncers.
A week later, he was called back to St Julian’s police station and asked to identify the same man again from the same photo. Since then he has heard nothing.
“The incident has made me lose a lot of faith in the system,” he said. “The bouncers seem to be getting away with running a racket at certain clubs.”
When contacted, the nightclub manager said the man involved in the initial altercation with the woman in the toilet was not one of the club’s bouncers.
“Security men from other clubs come to my club for a drink after work because we are open later. Obviously they are dressed like security, but they don’t work for us. This man was security from another club,” he said.
He didn’t know why the man was in the women’s toilets but said she was thrown out because she became “hysterical”. The club’s bouncers were on friendly terms with bouncers from other clubs, the manager said, so it was natural that they looked out for one another.
As for attack outside, the manager again denied the involvement of any of the club’s bouncers and said they were only responsible for ensuring the safety of patrons inside; they were not required to defend anyone outside the club.
He also said the police came to investigate the matter and the nightclub had nothing to hide.
Questions sent to the police remained unanswered.
In February last year, two bouncers from the same nightclub were charged with the attempted murder of two Italians who were hospitalised after a Valentine’s night attack in the club.
From January 31 security staff in bars and clubs will have to be in possession of a new licence. To qualify for the licence, they will have to prove that that they have served for five years in the police, armed forces or prison services, or for an accumulated period of five years as a private guard.
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David-Lloyd Thomas
Dec 21st 2011, 15:40
As a witness to the fight above; the bouncers were very much involved in the attack inside the club, then outside the club.
The bouncers start the fight inside the club, then leave it to their family to finish off outside the club!
Not responsible for breaking fights outside the club, perhaps. But THEY DIDN'T EVEN call the police when the victim (photo above) was stumbling around covered in blood.
Clayton; you do not employ security people -- you employ animals.
Clayton Borg
Dec 20th 2011, 16:50
What I can say at the stage is, that the person who did the action is not a security but a son of a security which has notthing to do with the club where this thing began. I also know that bouncers can't take action in fights taking place in the streets {that is the police responsibility}. Thus this has notthing to do with the bouncers of the club.
If you read the text above well you can see that what I said is there.
Kaylie Green
Dec 20th 2011, 12:42
I'm British, and whilst I agree that a lot of young Brits on holiday do tend to tarnish the home nation with the "larger lout" brush, what people are failing to grasp here is that these Brits LIVE here. They weren't "living it up abroad" on holiday, they were having a night out in the country they live in. Whilst the attitude of bouncers in Malta is quite simply disgusting and Neanderthal (having recently seen one punch my English friend in the face right in front of me because he stood in the doorway for too long - yes, seriously!), it's the same in the UK. I don't think the problem lies with Paceville bouncers (or doormen, if you want to give them the "politically correct" name they don't deserve), it lies with bouncers in general. Almost every doorman I've come across is brutish, power-hungry and pathetically drunk on their own self-righteousness. The quicker these licences come in to force to strip out the savage beasts amongst the pack...the better!
Salvinu Buttigieg
Dec 20th 2011, 00:25
This just shows that some individuals on th islands seem to have it in for the British, some Maltese tend to tarnuish tne Britsh with the same brush because of the bad name they made for themselves all over the world, however not every Britain is a trouble maker and most are decent people the older once that is, the younger once well they are just Brits. abroad.
DannyBoy BartoloJr.
Dec 20th 2011, 20:22
Its true what you say Salvinu that most Maltese are not exactly British lovers, i remember my father used to tell us when the British Navy where then in Malta, most matlows used to get drunk and cause mayham and he also mentioned that many maltese youngsters used to trive by beating drunken British sailors just for the sake of beating them up, sounds stupid to me now, but then again as the guy say above alot of th British when abroad seem to behave badly, and this is something that is notgoing to go away for a long time, even i know many British retired pensioners living in Malta and Gozo that do not really mix with the locals and tend to stick to theit own little circle, if that where me i would rather return back to my own country, amongst my own wouldn't you.In any case if the Malta changes to the old currency, i think many will be returning not by choice but because the exchange rate is too expensive for most.
Hans Weber
Dec 21st 2011, 00:01
Ja JA Brits abroad or not they should respect the law of this country no excuse. Ja Hans.Weber Gozo
Jo Grima
Dec 19th 2011, 22:20
we've always known that the bouncers confescate drugs and re-sell them, and confescate again and re-sell its no secret, its been going on since the beginning of paceville. perhaps its time the authorities start to put these bouncers under random drug tests...best time to do it would be after their working hours ! the worst people anyone can encounter blown ot of proportion, full of testosterone, uneducated loosers, thats all they are
Peter Borg
Dec 19th 2011, 14:31
Rather unsurprising that the lady became hysterical if there was a man in the ladies toilet. It seems to me that these Paceville bouncers and members of the Police force ae in cahoots. We are hearing of far too many of these kind of incidents of late (by the way well done to "The Times" for exposing them ) and the situation calls for serious scrutiny and clarity. The police need to shed light on these incidents and it is imperative that their behaviour in such instances is not only beyond reproach but is also seen to be beyond reproach.The general public as well as visitors or prospective visitors to our islands need to have peace of mind that the rule of law is prevalent here and that the long arm of the law is trustworthy and impartial. It seems to me that this is currently not the case.The Police commisioner and /or the minister concerned should take action.
Mr Austin Psaila
Dec 19th 2011, 13:05
Yet when they catch some poor kid with a joint or two in Paceville he is taken to court & accused the day after.........
Karl von Brockdorff
Dec 19th 2011, 11:23
Ironic how if you gave these bouncers cannabis they'd just usher people out in a civil manner instead of beating them to a pulp!
carlos ellul
Dec 19th 2011, 10:54
When will the usual dime a dozen NGO organize a fjakkolata against this act of racism....
...Oh wait.
LOUIS JOSEPH BORG
Dec 19th 2011, 10:47
ever story has 2 sides and i work in paceville went to clubs and bars in the past and i never had any problems with the bounces ,however it seems once someone is iinvolved in a fight with someone some bouncers do interfer if they happen to know one of them so this is why one should avoid trouble in paceville!
also if he is british he can complain to the embassy in malta and seek a lawyer if the thinhs the police did not do thier job
John Scerri
Dec 19th 2011, 07:12
Avoid places like these ...that's all.
Malta is not just Paceville.
Let the clubs close down one by one as in the past when certain clubs took a bad name and were less and less frequented by clients .
Pity that Paceville action committee's crys for more Police presence and deterrants have fallen on deaf ears.
I mean Real Police Armed Rambo style ...with machine guns and all + Glittering Police cars which can be noticed from a distance ...
As for bouncers : It's high time ETC and Restaurant and club owners create and education programme for these individuals ...seems they are all muscle and that's all.
On the other hand, does one need a Brain to be a bouncer?
Joe Xuereb
Dec 19th 2011, 00:21
I like to think that most bouncers are decent people. The rest, they seem to have a Rambo complex that needs to be acted out.
It has been suggested that a prospective bouncer should have spent at least five years in the Police Force. I disagree. I think that a bouncer-to-be should undergo psychological tests to assess him for suitability for the job. This could equally apply to prospective midwives as we have had some disturbing cases only recently, here in UK.
Psychologists are OK, aren't they?! I mean priests are not necessarily what they appear to be. Maybe the best, the most honest worker, is the tart with a heart of gold.
Elsewhere I have read that there are kids of 13/14 running around joints buying alcohol (or being treated to alcohol by dubious characters). No doubt they smoke too and not only cigarettes. I find this very disturbing and bodes ill for their future and the future of this excuse for a society. If this is true, whey is it being allowed to go on? Is it because this scenario is someone's source of income? Is corruption of the soul now so endemic?
G Falzon
Dec 18th 2011, 21:54
QUOTE she was thrown out because she became “hysterical” UNQUOTE
This after finding a man in the ladies' toilet and after subsequent circumstances. Was throwning her out the right thing to do to one's client?
G Falzon
Dec 18th 2011, 21:51
QUOTE
This man was security from another club,” he said. He didn’t know why the man was in the women’s toilets but said she was thrown out because she became “hysterical”.
UNQUOTE
It appears the identity of the man in the women's toilet is know. Surely CCTV cameras should confirm this and the police should have invesigated at once what he was doing there. Delaying tactics mean loss of valuable evidence!
Steve Sant
Dec 18th 2011, 21:18
Someone name the Club and we'll see if they do more business, one thing for sure I'll scare the hell out of my kid before he goes anywhere near there. So name and ruin.
Steve Zammit
Dec 18th 2011, 20:08
What about the abuse of alcohol in Paceville??? Wake up police !! Its pointless spending a whole night in paceville square to make it seem like its all under control....while teenagers all under age are being abused by club owners who sell them alcohol with special offers and open bars bla bla.
qumu mir-raqda...teenagers are ruining their lives going drunk
Anthony Agius
Dec 18th 2011, 21:27
bar owners serving alcoholic drinks to youths under the age of 17 should have license revoked. proof of ID should be requested at the door. I am not pointing my finger only at paceville establishments. go to village bars and clubs on a Sunday morning or afternoon. Parents can educate, impose curfews and keep their children away from paceville but alcohol and cigarettes are readily everywhere
Mariano Camilleri
Dec 18th 2011, 20:03
if all the peple joined and boycotted pv for a few weeks then they realise what customers mean...but since these things happen and people still go and spend their money there then they have nothing to worry. or team up a group of 30 people and we find these bouncers that dare abuse us like this and we get them one by one...take the law in our hands thats whats left to do. if the police do nothing about this then they are not doing their main duty which is to protect and we will do the same to them and we see who gets the way if them or all of us..malta is very small and its easily done..the system doesnt protect us so we protect ourselves. but here you all whine but if it came to this everyone will chicken out i am sure of it
Steve Sant
Dec 18th 2011, 21:19
I'll add another to your comment, boycott the Club and we'll see what self discipline means. I agree some police are scared stiff of some of these trained bullies.
alfred seguna
Dec 18th 2011, 19:29
Unless rendered safe, Paceville should be avoided in my opinion.Safety should be guaranteed by club owners and police force.I don't know why the authorities don't take action.These things seem to be happening quite often.
Michael Pace
Dec 18th 2011, 19:14
The police were too busy busting kids smoking joints.
James Dewar
Dec 18th 2011, 19:51
Don't mock it, that needs their attention too.
Charles Sammut
Dec 18th 2011, 18:45
The Law of the Jungle still prevails and will always prevail in Paceville! The police will not dare to upset the gorillas. The Judicial system of the island in the sun is a joke...so, let the strong continue to beat up on the weak!!
....ermm...and the beat(ing) goes on...and the beat(ing) goes on....
T Gauci
Dec 18th 2011, 18:21
I am nobody to judge but from what i have seen in my experience a lot of young British have that macho attitude and like to provoke people, having said that, no cause justifies this brutal attack.
Keith Borg-Micallef
Dec 18th 2011, 17:50
"Sometimes you find yourself in a club thinking you're in a playground, with more kids around you than people your age"...
"What we need is that the laws we already have start being enforced. And the Maltese must also start expecting certain standards. Making do with everything is simply not doable - or a pitiable system is what we get in turn!"
You may also have a look here:
http://teandrain.blogspot.com/2011/12/it-is-more-serious-matter-that-we-write.html
Franco Farrugia
Dec 18th 2011, 17:44
Quote: 'The club’s bouncers were on friendly terms with bouncers from other clubs, the manager said, so it was natural that they looked out for one another.'
Says it all! So much for 'professionalism'. I think the solution here is simple: tell foreigners that Paceville outlets are simply unsafe for foreigners.
Pamela Hansen
Dec 18th 2011, 19:48
Not just for foreigners
Joseph Borg
Dec 18th 2011, 17:41
I cannot understand all this hype about Paceville. It's just a place were teenagers go to get drugged and drunk. Instead of blaming bouncers and police, just boycott Paceville and find another place were to have fun.
I stopped going regularly to Paceville, 2 years ago. I feel more comfortable hopping in other places were I don't find 14 years olds messing around at 3am.
Full Stop!!
Carmel camilleri
Dec 18th 2011, 17:10
Paceville has become worst that Strait street in the olden times. The inaction of the police is now common. It seems that we have to live with this state of affairs.
Frederick Abdilla
Dec 18th 2011, 16:38
In a country like Malta, this story is no big deal. Cannabis is.
James Tyrrell
Dec 18th 2011, 16:23
"He also said the police came to investigate the matter and the nightclub had nothing to hide." Considering the number of denials he is throwing out it would appear they have plenty to hide. Why isn't the name of this club published so that people can avoid it? Bouncers are a joke. They are supposed to be there to prevent trouble inside the premises and to prevent trouble getting into the premises such as people who are too drunk or people known to be drug dealers. The truth is you slip the bouncer some money and you can operate unhindered within the club and you even have protection should any trouble relating to your drug dealing begin. From what I have read over the years regarding Paceville it should be renamed Dodge City!
Robert Callus
Dec 18th 2011, 15:53
I'm not one for a pound of flesh or irrationally harsh punishments, far from that. But this violence can't be tolerated, neither by the police nor the courts. Some places in Paceville are becoming no-go areas, such as that stairs where the once was Axis. A wrong stare might get you knifed.
Not to say anything for the inside of certain places. I don't frequent them, but not everyone knows what they are risking inside, especially if they are foreigners. Worst of all from the bouncers (not all of them, mind you). I don't believe most of these violent thugs have a clean police conduct. They should be monitored and if a club employs a bouncer who had the slightest dot on his conduct, the place will be shut down. Victims should be compensated by the club owners themselves. And no suspended sentences for street thugs.
Before more people get seriously hurt and killed.
Michael Borg
Dec 18th 2011, 15:44
WHICH CLUB IS IT ???
name and boycott let s hit them where it hurts !!
Mr Matthew Galea
Dec 18th 2011, 22:53
unfortunately: good luck
no one is going to say it. its called "hokli hari u nhoklok tieghek"
vincent a galea
Dec 18th 2011, 14:29
The law of the jungle prevails in Paceville (WHAT A MISNOMER - PEACEVILLE!!)
AND WHATS WORSE NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE.... WHERE ARE THE AUTHORITIES ?? AND I DONT MEAN THE COUPLE OF BOBBIES THERE DECORATING THE STREETS...... !!!!!!!
DOES THE MHRA REALISE THE HARM THIS IS LEAVING ON THE TOURISM BUSINESS ???????
OR THEY DONT CARE EITHER !!!!!!!!!
A Camilleri
Dec 18th 2011, 15:33
All they govenment is bothered about is stopping smoking in playgrounds! Playground duty is all the law are good for! HUH!
Mark Frankalanza
Dec 18th 2011, 14:05
Dear Police Force,
Instead of wasting your resources on minor issues such as http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20111218/local/two-held-for-cannabis-possession.398938, I would suggest that the REAL criminals are tackled. Thank you.
J. Falzon
Dec 18th 2011, 16:04
well said !
James Dewar
Dec 18th 2011, 20:04
Yawn, yawn, here we go again, "you got nothing better to do officer?", "why not go and catch real criminals", well worn phrases frequently used by the perpetrators of "minor" crimes in an effort to justify their lawbreaking whether it be road traffic offences, drug misuse or public order offences. I'm not a great supporter of so called "zero tolerance" but there are times when it certainly has it's place in the fight against disorder and violence. Just becasue a crime is not on the same scale as murder or rape or many other offences further down the scale, doesn't meant that it shouldn't be investigated and dealt with. The Police have an absolute duty to do so.
Christopher Grainger
Dec 18th 2011, 13:57
This place should be be identified .. too many people getting "hurt / hospitalized" .. and well worth avoiding by the sounds of it !
James Dewar
Dec 18th 2011, 17:23
As frequent visitors to Malta we have been told on numerous occasions by locals including taxi drivers to avoid Paceville at all costs! Seems to be very good advice indeed.
C Cassar
Dec 18th 2011, 13:56
As usual, lots of uneducated knee-jerk reactions here. There are always two sides to every story. Also, how many people in the last month visited Paceville and had a great time with no incident? - probably tens of thousands, so please this is still one of the safest entertainment areas in Europe.
The real problem is that most that comment oh here have never even been to Paceville for an evening, let alone another similar entertainment area in Europe.
Malta, the country full of armchair critics.
A Camilleri
Dec 18th 2011, 15:34
Just like YOU 'Mr' Cassar!!! Just like you.......................
david cassidy
Dec 18th 2011, 17:08
Country full of useless whimp coppers and Maltese monkeys on the doors! They wouldn't last 2 minutes in another country
mark borg
Dec 18th 2011, 13:50
All PV needs, is just a presence of 3 equipped and fit and trained policemaen per street and not a gathering of police in the same spot!!!! If trouble that they could not be handled erupts, they would be able to call for reinforcement at San Julians station wich should have a system to get there in minutes. This is to be financed by the licence fees the clubs pay.
Anyone creating trouble should be brought to justice and within a couple of days case closed and if found guilty he /she would get heavily fined (plus incur all cost of process)-not enter any pub club anywhere in the islands and not just PV only.
We are here trying to control one square km for decades of years!!!!!...so action is needed as it has become another farce!!!
George Smith
Dec 18th 2011, 13:38
Bad name for Malta . I don't think a bouncer's job is to beat up people.
The authorities needs fast to act now before it is too late.
G Falzon
Dec 18th 2011, 13:03
He didn’t know why the man was in the women’s toilets but said she was thrown out because she became “hysterical” --- with the quantity of CCTV camera etc. the nightclub manager should definitely know who the man was and should actively investigate (if he has a modicum of seriousness and customer care) why this man was in the ladies' toilet and act accordingly! Just throwing a customer out because he/she comes hysterical shows what level of respect towards customers this manager and his establishment has!!
Justin Spiteri
Dec 18th 2011, 12:59
Who ever said that we don't have the Zetas in Malta? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas_Cartel)
mark borg
Dec 18th 2011, 12:59
F'Dahrek -F'Pajjizek u Fuq ix xghol bla Biza ! Tiftakruhom dawn il famuzi krib biex intrebhet certu elezzjoni ....din l-istorja u nahseb eluf ta kazi bhal u fem ghar f'dawn l-ahhar snin, hija realta ferm differenti mill kliem fieragh imwieghed .
Peter Agius
Dec 18th 2011, 12:52
If something happened to my kids, the Manager, whoever he may be, would be in a very perilous situation.
Jay Oatmon
Dec 18th 2011, 12:51
These so called bouncers should be forced to wear an easily visible numbered badge and the club they work for and complaints logged against them and the club - then if they abuse their position, they lose their badge and job, and the club is forced to close for a month.
Only when the clubs get punished will things change - these bouncers are like the bird shooters - they are not to be trusted and so must not be allowed to regulate themselves.
Michael Andrews
Dec 18th 2011, 12:50
It's happened again and will keep on happening unfortunately. One day they will pick on the wrong guy and some of those bouncers will get a taste of their own medicine... mark my words!!
david cassidy
Dec 18th 2011, 17:12
So right!!! Like bullies, which is all they are, their time will come
Peter Agius
Dec 18th 2011, 17:45
Rightly so.
Peter Agius
Dec 18th 2011, 12:49
I know all the Bouncers by name (or nickname). They are a bunch of inflated persons without personality who are very selective and always target the weak. As for the Police, they are part and parcel of the whole system and the Bouncers are their friends....... the ones who make their job lighter. The Superintendent at St.Julians Police Station should take note. My advise to the youngsters who want to celebrate their youth is don"t go to Paceville. The Managers? do not know whats happening......or maybe they do. But they are killing their business. Full Stop.
Matthew Vella
Dec 18th 2011, 12:45
I don't care how 'hysterical' she was, a large group of men were not required!
"The club’s bouncers were on friendly terms with bouncers from other clubs, the manager said, so it was natural that they looked out for one another." - Erm thats not okay.
Christopher Grainger
Dec 18th 2011, 13:55
no ... that is very not ok ... did someone say private army ?
John Attard
Dec 18th 2011, 12:39
The usual story.......I have a recomendation......this presents the business community with a niche market.
How about a business community initiative by real decent businessmen who would be ready to build a number of clubs in a locality well and far away from Paceville and well organized and built with integrity where no bouncers would be needed.
This idea of bouncers appeared a number of years back......its a protection racket to that part of the business community who want to flout the legalities of the current law.....nothing else! They are not there to protect customers! They are of course there and abuse of their responsabilities and ading to this .....allow those below a certain age to enter such premises......with late night obligations! mamma mia......
Decent night life needs a new place and a new breed of businessmen in Malta!
Jay Oatmon
Dec 18th 2011, 12:55
I agree 100% Paceville is a nest of watered down drinks, violence and drugs.
A new properly policed venue is badly needed - but nothing will be done because this is Malta, everyone one involved has an excuse and no one is accountable or pays a price.
Tony Stivala
Dec 18th 2011, 12:26
It annoys me very much when I hear people using the expression "Pajjiz tal- Mickey Mouse". It would be more apt if we use "This is Hell on Earth"
I am afraid, the only solution is to boycott Paceville alltogether, and hit them were it hurt them most, MONEY
"pajjiz tal-bullies"
I am stronger, I rule and you have no say
CHARLES VELLA
Dec 18th 2011, 12:18
After all these excuses from the owner please name of the pub . These bouncers are cow boy they see lot of Chuck Norris films. No wander they are ex police ex prison wardens and ex soldiers . Let us tell our children to boy cot pace ville if they will not name the pub.
G Falzon
Dec 18th 2011, 12:13
Clubs and restaurants in Paceville and elsewhere on the island are inundated with CCTV camera, both inside and outside. If the police want to work, they surely know exactly what they should do!
david cassidy
Dec 18th 2011, 17:21
Police......work, whatever!!!! Most useless force in Europe
Mr A Mallia
Dec 18th 2011, 12:08
We all know the situation in Paceville! Bouncers have the right of way and no single politician, no single person in authority seems to have the will to change things! Its such a shame...
R. Gauci
Dec 18th 2011, 11:58
X'inhu jigri l-ghassa ta` San Giljan? Tirraporta vjolenza imbaghad ir-rapport ma jimxix specjalment ikunu bouncers vs barranin?? iriduna nigu anarkija!
mark borg
Dec 18th 2011, 13:02
Anarkija ?...il Pajjiz imexxi min Par Idejn Sodi :) ...........specjalment jhekk tkun wiehed min tal klikka.
Peter Agius
Dec 18th 2011, 13:02
Anki jekk ikunu Bouncers kontra Maltin, l-istess haga jigri. Ghandi esperjenza. Meta trid insemmiellek il-Bouncer u anki l-ufficjal tal-Pulizija involut.
R. Gauci
Dec 19th 2011, 00:20
@ Peter Agius
Ma tkunx idea hazina tkellem l-ufficju ta` l-Awditur habib.
Juan Kalot
Dec 18th 2011, 11:50
There is no excuse for such animal behaviour and I am pleased that the 'security' industry will shortly be regulated, but will it be adequately policed ?
Drug dealers will go to extreme lengths in order to protect their business and retain their liberty, so assaulting a woman is nothing to them. With the benefit of hindsight, it would have been safer for the woman victim if she had reported the alleged drug dealer to the police rather then confronting him directly.
Whether the Police would have acted on her information is open to debate.
Michael Bugeja
Dec 18th 2011, 11:43
Please. dear Police name the club,so that our children will be protected when they go there.
Mike Abbot
Dec 18th 2011, 12:02
the police, clearly, don't care about the safety of your children.
Peter Agius
Dec 18th 2011, 13:04
Police vs Bouncers..........only ex-Ass.Commissioner Josie Brincat knew how to handle the situation.
Mr S Sammut
Dec 18th 2011, 11:43
Such bouncers are a bunch of cowards that they beat anyone who makes extra noise. The ability is to be able to calm the situation or block a person without harming and show him or her the door . They need proper training and anyone who thinks he us s hero one day he ll find his match and wouldn't even know what hit him !
Anthony Formosa
Dec 18th 2011, 11:36
Where is Mr C.Cassar to tell us if this is an embarrassment to the rest of Europe? I guess such news will drive many decent tourists to our holy island.
Mr Ernest Vella
Dec 18th 2011, 11:29
Paceville...post fejn l-illegalita u l-immoralita tirrenja...ghax certu nies qatt ma hargu mid-dar...u jridu jbelghuha lit-tfal taghna li min imur hemm jiskopri d-dinja meta fil-verita bil-kontra. Tal-Misthija!!! Dan huwa l-pajjiz li ridna...mela ngawduh
G. Ellul
Dec 18th 2011, 11:25
Guess these bouncers are all Harvard graduates......?!
Lawrence Fenech
Dec 18th 2011, 11:23
These savages should be removed from bars, clubs and resaurants as they do not lose the chance or the oppogtunity to beat up people out for the evening.
Their place should be taken by more police who can handle the situation without torturing these patrons.
The armed forces should also give a hand with their presence.
These is another scaldal to go with all the rest.
j camilleri
Dec 18th 2011, 11:19
There will only be a sound when one day it can happen vice versa. Than perhaps one day we will see justice.
Karl Consiglio
Dec 18th 2011, 11:18
Why should he be the one to fear reprisals??????????!!
James Dewar
Dec 18th 2011, 11:03
Thugs running the show in Paceville. A dangerous situation and one that needs to be adressed urgently by Police who must regain full control to restore public confidence and protect the public. They in turn must be supported by the courts with realistic sentences for those found guilty of drug related or violent crime.
Victor Pulis
Dec 18th 2011, 10:59
Anarchy is raising its ugly head in Malta and once its established there's no way one can control it. I just hope it's not already too late. it's becoming less safe to go outside. Having a traffic accident could lend you in hospital or worse not bcause of the crash but because of the reaction of the other driver. Going for a drink could result in a beating up. A walk long the promenade could end up in a mugging. And the worst thing is you don't get protection from the law enforcers.
Alan Ciantar
Dec 18th 2011, 12:42
cant agree anymore !
Jay Oatmon
Dec 18th 2011, 10:58
Corruption/incompetence, double standards, feeble law enforcement, poor sentencing, and inaction on many obviouc problems, as wells as no accountability etc - all result in Malta becoming an unsafe place to live, or take your holiday. When will the government take action 2050 ?
Deo Catania
Dec 18th 2011, 10:56
How come this jungle club has not been mentioned by name? who's its owner?
Mike Abbot
Dec 18th 2011, 12:06
stupid laws in this country make it impossible for the press to mention the club... or we have spineless press
R. Cilia
Dec 18th 2011, 12:37
I agree with you 100%.Name them and shame them.So what if the bouncer was not employed by this particular bar ,he was in the ladies' toilet when all this started!
Mr J Xerri
Dec 18th 2011, 10:55
The last paragraph dealing with new regulations for bouncers does not make it clear if individuals who are presently serving in the police force or the armed forces, can also act as bouncers.
A Camilleri
Dec 18th 2011, 11:09
As far as i know they are only allowed to be employed as bouncers after they retire from the forces, after saying that, when i worked as a private guard we had a guy workin with us and he was still in the forces, no idea how he got away with it.
Hossam Helwani
Dec 18th 2011, 10:52
I think this is a case where one has to wait for a proper investigation before one speaks. I do not wish to take sides but I do not believe that this started from nothing. I wonder who perpetrated all this. Sounds very very suspicious.
Peter Murray
Dec 18th 2011, 11:16
Take a long look at the photograph and then decide not who started it but rather who finished it and whether or not these injuries are justified.I couldn't locate any information or photos depicting injuries to any bouncers and why should the victims lie as you have totally ignored their testimony furthermore, how long have you been here to say you will wait for a "proper investigation" before commenting?As you will receive a visit from the President or the PM to congratulate you on reaching 100 years before this happens "?
Mr robert micallef
Dec 18th 2011, 11:17
people who either have never been attacked or who have no experience in self protection always try to put themselves at comfort by thinking like you. that is "i never bother anyone and so i will never be attacked or mugged or robbed" this is a very common misconception.
even if it was the British couple who started all this the bouncers have no right to take the law in their own hands. This was nothing more then a beating up of a person by an organised group of people. i have seen it happen and even under the eyes of the police man who have no idea how to deal with these people.
as a person who has practised martial arts for well over 15 years i think differently from you.
i see a large crowd, aggressive bouncers itching for a fight, i see their pockets bulge with illegal weapons like mace, tear gas, i see pressure point weapons i just leave the club and never return. i hope that you will not learn the hard way in which i learned this lesson when i was mistaken for somebody else by these "professional bouncers" ofcourse in my case they were let off with a warning and needless to say the same person fractured the skull of another innocent person the following week. unless the law gets tough with these people it they will never learn.
H. Galea
Dec 18th 2011, 11:39
"I wonder who perpetrated all this." - With all due respect I do not feel that the end result can ever be justified ! Where were the police, who are expected to prevent crime? Paceville, after all, is not that spread out, that immediate police intervention might not be so easily possible !
Adrian Sciberras
Dec 18th 2011, 10:49
Why did not specified the night club? there are many night clubs in Paceville, but there are some particular Nighclubs which happens these bad brutal 'incidents'! Taf x'naf nghid, halli zgur kulhadd jifhimni. Li l-aktar post li raw dawn l-affarijiet go fieh, sahansitra rajt sieq ta banketta tidhol go ras persuna huwa l-aktar post li jokkuppa nies u zaghzagh, imbaghad ghax kazin partikolari darba nqala incident go fieh ghalqugh ghal 10 snin. Malta-Pajjiz tal-Mickey Mouse
Michael Vella
Dec 18th 2011, 10:46
The problem is Paceville, is that there is no serious policing. Policeman presence is poor at best, police patrols are virtually non-existent and most of the police 'hanging around' seem to be poorly trained and poorly equipped to deal with the situation in Paceville.
Bouncers are thugs. They are virtually unregulated, despite the recent introduction of licencing for bouncers. Their idea of dealing with trouble, is to get into a pack and savagely beat up anyone that dares defend himself. There are a couple of good bouncers that deal with problems in a professional manner, but unfortunately, these are too few and too far between.
Can it possibly be so difficult to put a muzzle on these thugs??
David Farrugia
Dec 18th 2011, 10:43
I suggest that people boycott Paceville and the bouncers will surely be unemployed - that is a real good strategy. How one can relax in the entertainment mecca when there is loud music, drugs etc. Do not go to Paceville - it is a wicked place. If you go, then one has to accept the repercussions.
I Bugeja
Dec 18th 2011, 10:41
The reality is that the bouncers will dig a fight if there is one. They were in for drinks - should we believe this? I believe more what I heard from a bouncer (who was happy telling what he does). When there is a fight, other bouncers are called in from other clubs to beat the crap out of the patrons who in their (bouncers) high testosterone-brain impose a threat or a game.
Its about time the clubs names start being published. I would like to know that where I go to have a good time, I am actually safe!
mark borg
Dec 18th 2011, 10:36
The country needs fast to act now before it is too late ...we have become a corrupt nation where the judiciary system is a safe haven for perpetrators. Shame on the police and authorities for not being able to control a FOUR street area !!!! Where are the responsible Ministers ??? SHAME
charles fenech
Dec 18th 2011, 10:31
It is a very easy solution.
Paceville should be covered with CCTV's - Run by the Authorities. Each Establishment should run his own CCTV and should make sure that every corner is covered. The establishment licence should be renewed if these cameras are working. The government should have a hotline number so that establishments could report that a camera is not working INSTANTLY.
These cameras should feed in directly to the Police headquarters. These feeds are not to be looked at unless a report about some kind of abuse is reported. IF a fight breaks and the establishment says there is no footage while no one informed the government authorities, the licence should be revoked. All faulty cameras are to be inspected by a third party company which certifies the faults. IF the faults were intentional - The establishment licence should be revoked.
All this should be financed through the establishment licence fees. This system should reduce the number of Bullies (both bouncers and tourists/locals) from paceville.
If bouncers are found guilty - Their licence should be revoked and a fine imposed. The establishment and the security company should also be fined. If an establishment & security company is involved in numerous (say 5) cases in a year - Their licences should be revoked.
If a tourist/local is found guilty - He should be banned from Paceville/Bars for a stipulated time!
I know that probably now, I will be bombarded with criticisms BUT deep down we all know that this could make paceville a safer place!
Ms D. Borg
Dec 18th 2011, 10:30
Shame on the police for not taking action. It seems that in Paceville the bouncers do whatever they like with impunity. It's a known fact that police only turn up when any trouble is over in Paceville. I don't think a bouncer's job is to beat up people.
Charles Sammut
Dec 18th 2011, 10:26
"To qualify for the licence, they will have to prove that that they have served for five years in the police, . . . .. "
Say no more.
Willie Sammut
Dec 18th 2011, 10:26
Name the specifid night cluns and patrond should boycott them.
Carl Debono
Dec 18th 2011, 10:14
if it was a single incident i wouldn't say anything but how many incidents like these happened lately? so what are the 500 euro increase a week mps doing? what's the increase for?
Victor Vella
Dec 18th 2011, 10:05
This is a good advertisement to bring British tourists to Malta- the island of b******t.
Joe Scerri
Dec 18th 2011, 09:35
You are not the only one who has lost faith in the system. Justice and law enforcement are nothing but a joke. You call the police, they never turn up. You report infringements to MEPA and they just ignore you. You call the local council and they treat you as if you don't exist. You report all of this to the relevant minister and they don’t even have the decency to reply.
Mr Mario Debono
Dec 18th 2011, 10:20
Oh so this doesn't just happen to me? Such a sleepy system it'a anarchy in everyone's face! May the big and powerful rule in Malta 2011 and beyond
Charles Mangion
Dec 18th 2011, 09:26
Police Boys Scouts can do better B ouncers deal drugs themselfs police go for free drings an d meals when they are off duty C.Mangion
Mr Lawrence Calleja
Dec 18th 2011, 10:39
@Charles Mangion: Can't understand what you are trying to say. Next time write in Maltese if you feel more comfortable.
Peter Murray
Dec 18th 2011, 11:23
FAO -Mr.Lawrence Calleja,
I can clearly understand the point perfectly that Mr Mangion is trying to get across irrespective of the language utilised-just concentrate a little as its not that difficult to comprehend his very apposite understanding on the current prevailing situation.-which I totally concur with.