Libyans rule out Gaddafi post-mortem but promises probe
Video shows Gaddafi's son Mutassim alive and talking after capture, before being killed
Military commanders in the Libyan city of Misrata said today that no post-mortem would be carried out on the body of Muammar Gaddafi despite concerns over how the toppled dictator died.
Interim leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil said an investigation was being conducted into the circumstances of Gaddafi's killing following his capture, bloodied but still alive, during the fall of his hometown Sirte on Thursday, after several foreign governments and human rights watchdogs posed questions.
But the military leadership in Misrata, where Gaddafi's body had been stored in a vegetable market freezer overnight and was again put on display for hundreds of curious onlookers today, insisted the inquiry would involve no autopsy.
"There will be no post-mortem today, nor any day," Misrata military council spokesman Fathi al-Bashaagha told AFP. "No one is going to open up his body."
His comments were confirmed by two other Misrata military chiefs.
Bashaagha said that the new regime's military commander for the capital, Abdelhakim Belhaj, was expected to travel to Misrata latertoday to view the corpse of the man who ruled Libya with an iron rod for 42 years.
But he said there were no immediate plans for National Transitional Council (NTC) chief Abdel Jalil to visit.
"Abdel Jajil did not come yesterday and is not coming today, and for the moment it is not expected that he will come."
The interim leader was in the main eastern city of Benghazi today visiting some of the wounded from the eight-month uprising that felled Gaddafi.
"Yes," he answered when asked if the circumstances ofGaddafi 's death were being investigated. He declined to take any further questions
.Questions remain over how Gaddafi met his end after NTC fighters hauled him out of a culvert where he was hiding following NATO air strikes on the convoy in which he had been trying to flee his falling hometown.
Mobile phone videos show him still alive at that point.
Footage shows the former dictator, his face half-covered in blood, being dragged towards a vehicle by a delirious crowd and forced on to the bonnet.
Those at the front push and shake him, pull him by the hair and hit him. At one point he appears to be trying to speak.
Subsequent footage shows him being hauled off the vehicle, still alive, and hustled through the screaming crowd, before he disappears in the crush and the crackle of gunfire can be heard.
NTC leaders are adamant he was shot in the head when he was caught "in crossfire" between his supporters and new regime fighters soon after his capture.
But in a video circulating on the Internet, a young fighter from Benghazi claims he shot Gaddafi twice after capturing him -- once under the arm and once in the head. He says he died half an hour later.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the "way his death happened poses an entire number of questions," and called for a probe.
"The images we saw on television show that he was taken prisoner while wounded, and then later, once already a prisoner, his life was taken away."
US State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the NTC "has already been working to determine the precise cause and circumstances of Kadhafi's death, and we obviously urge them to do so in an open and transparent manner as we move forward."
Toner repeated a US call to the NTC to treat prisoners humanely.
UN human rights chief Navi Pillay also called for an investigation.
"On the issue of Gaddafi's death yesterday, the circumstances are still unclear," her spokesman Rupert Colville said. "There should be some kind of investigation given what we saw yesterday."
Claudio Cordone, senior director at Amnesty International, said that if Gaddafi "was killed after his capture, it would constitute a war crime and those responsible should be brought to justice."
He said the "NTC must apply the same standards to all, affording justice even to those who categorically denied it to others."
And Gaddafi's widow, Safia, who fled to Algeria in August, called on the United Nations to investigate the circumstances of her husband's death, Syria-based Arrai television said.
Libya's wanted former intelligence chief Abdullah al-Senussi, meanwhile, surfaced in neighbouring Niger after apparently fleeing through the desert following the fall of the oasis town of Bani Walid on Monday in the penultimate battle of the conflict.
"The presence of Abdullah al-Senussi has been indicated in the far north of Niger," near the border with Libya, a government source in the capital Niamey told AFP on Saturday.
"It's a report that we have but our defence and security forces have not yet intercepted him," the source said. "So his presence in Niger is not yet officially established."
Senussi was wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of "crimes against humanity," along with Kadhafi himself and the latter's son and longtime heir apparent Seif al-Islam.
Seif al-Islam too remains at large. NTC officials said that he too may have fled to Niger.
At a World Economic Forum in Jordan, Libya's interim prime minister Mahmud Jibril warned that rebuilding his war-battered country would amount to a "Mission Impossible" task.
"Rebuilding Libya will not be an easy task. It is Mission Impossible of Tom Cruise," Jibril said, referring to the Hollywood star's movie.
Meanwhile, a video given to AFP by a Libyan fighter shows Gaddafi's son, Mutassim, smoking a cigarette, drinking water and talking, while YouTube images show him bloodied and wounded. He was later reported dead.
Muammar Gaddafi's lifeless body is also seen being transported in a vehicle.
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Henry Mifsud
Oct 23rd 2011, 11:50
I do not subscribe in the manner the Gaddafis were killed even though they deserved nothing less. And for the sake of Libya's future and subsequent generations, Gaddafi's body should be treated with dignity and given a proper burial, not because he deserves it, but because Libyans deserve it.However I find it very hypocritical of the Western countries when they criticize the Libyans of such a barbaric act. Lest we forget that just before Gaddafi was captured, none other than Hillary Clinton stated that Gaddafi must be killed. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/libyan-forces-searching-gaddafi-stronghold/story-e6frf7lf-1226170352255
"Hillary Clinton says Libya's Muammar Gaddafi must be killed or captured
www.heraldsun.com.au
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has hailed Libyan forces who ousted Muammar Gaddafi and vowed support for a democratic transition, on a surprise visit to Tripoli."
Geoffrey Farrugia
Oct 23rd 2011, 11:37
the truth is he met the end he deserved...in one of his last speeches he vowed to find all the rebels and kill them like rats...that's exactly how he was found and killed. now the world politicians want to probe how he got killed...why didnt they ask and probe how he killed thousands in the 40 years he was in power.
Mark Anthony Fenech
Oct 23rd 2011, 10:57
The usual bleeding hearts bleating about how the Colonel and his son were killed amuse me a great deal lol...
John Xuereb
Oct 23rd 2011, 10:08
ghaliex dan l-ghageb kollu mad-dinja kollha biex jaraw ghalfej inqatel Gaddafi u biex miet etc...??
kien jixraqlu ahjar wara l-massakri kbar li ghamel?
Ma ninsewx li dan baghat lil armata toqtol lil niesu stess ta!!!!! dawn hwejjeg mil-aktar moqzieza....
anzi messhom ittorturawh aktar qabel ma qatluh!
x'jipretendu dawk kollha li jparlaw bid-drittijiet tal-bniedem u bil-mohqrija etc...?? minjaf li kieku kienu huma fit-sitwazzjoni ta depressjoni li kien jghix fija l-poplu Libjan x'kienu jaghmlu.
Kulhadd irrid jindahal u kulhadd bit-taparsi ligijiet u drittijiet......
a borg
Oct 23rd 2011, 11:49
naqbel 100%
Peter Seebohm
Oct 22nd 2011, 23:39
He´s responsible for 1000s or 10000s of deads. But you´re complaining he´s killed.
James Dewar
Oct 22nd 2011, 23:22
@ Francis Coquelin
Narrow minded and dangerously short sighted comment. This is meant to be a new start for Libya with some form of democracy and a civilised approach towards internal and global affairs. Actions such as these will do little or nothing to convince the world that the new regime is serious about this transformation. Their standards have plummeted at the first hurdle where they had a wonderful opportunity to show the world that they were better than the regime they fought so hard to replace. Same old, same old. The "eye for an eye" rule still seems to apply irrespective of the rhetoric from the interim government. The world has a right to take an interest and ask appropriate questions.
Jo Meli
Oct 22nd 2011, 22:07
The National Transitional Council has started on the wrong footing !
The murder in cold blood of the Gaddafi's has cheated the world of Justice to the victims the same Gaddafi's which has reversed the status of Murderes into that of victims.
Since the Gaddafi's were never tried in a Court of Justice their state of Innocence at Law is still presumed !
"Abdel Jajil did not come yesterday and is not coming today, and for the moment it is not expected that he will come." is a crystal clear indication that the NTC has NO complete control over the Lybian territory.
The end of Gaddafi is the beguining of the disntegration of Lybia !!
Alfred Falzon
Oct 22nd 2011, 21:46
All the prophets of doom are predicting the end of the world for the FREE LIBYANS!!
Sour grapes, as the saying goes!
They cannot accept the fact that the dark and shameful Kadhafi era is over for good, even if wanted criminal Seif al-Islam is still on the loose!
They have forgotten overnight that gangster Kadhafi simply disposed of his opponents by ordering his henchmen to murder them, leaving their scarred bodies in coffin-like cells or on pavements next to garbage bags as he did during the massacre of at least 50 political prisoners in the notorious Abu Salim prison compound of Tripoli last July!!
And what about the mass graves that have been uncovered across Libya?
Did any Human Rights Watch ask his ruthless regime for an explanation and whether a post mortem was carried out on each one of the martyred bodies found?!!
It would be interesting to know whether this was the case when the murderer was still alive and calling his people "rats and cockroaches"!!
Bill Khan
Oct 24th 2011, 15:46
@Alfred falzon
Only history would tell which of the two be the dark era. It is too early judge. I have often used the phrase 'Out of the frying pan into the fire'. Libya seems to be out of the gaddafi frying pan and has landed into the NATO fire. Already france is demanding 35% of the oil shipment. britain is demanding most of the telecommunication set up in libya. despite the figures of murders and bodies and graves Mr. Falzon remember that a 'man is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law'. Such is the beauty of the justice systme that even if a body is found under your own bed, Mr. Falzon you are entitled to a fair trial and you know what you could very well be innocent.
You would agree that it is fair system and must be adhered to no matter what. Of course we can shout obcentities to the top of our voice but a fair trial is the civilised way forward even for the NATO held Libya.
john grima
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:54
This reminds me of Binladen. Apparently they killed him and threw in the sea as this is what the Islamic tradition says. So no one saw that happening, no phots posted etc.
Kaddafi, yeah maybe it's him, but don't believe what the TV is telling you. All media is in hands of great corporations, and corporations nowadays make governments and they all have specific interests and tell us what we want to hear or what they want us to know. I heard opinions that he was shot by one of the CIAs as his knowledge he could share during the trial would put countries like US and France in very bad light.
I wonder how much time it'll take to US to send their troops there (as they are withdrawing from Iraq) to 'build democracy'. Of course, in exchange for oil and lucrative contracts to rebuild Livya.
Bill Khan
Oct 24th 2011, 14:27
@ John grima
The US forces yoy are right will be sent to Libya. The US and NATO at this point in time opeerate from germany for any of the African missions. Now with gaddafi gone the gate way to Africa for US and NATO is openned up. previously under gaddafi the chinese were there in the thousands. And that was the stumbling block for NATO. The elimination of Gaddafi had to be engineered by NATO esepcially in wale of the Egyptian crisis. Anopther country whose leadership is constantly demonised is Sudan again a country with substantial reliance on the chinese. NATOs objectives in Libya have been met now that Gaddafi has gone. Whether libya beciomes stable or in disarray is immaterial for NATO. its operatives could well look after dissentions quite ruthlessly now and in the future. The executions of both Muttassim and father Muamar gaddafi was an indication to thye rest of libyans to play ball or else their fate would not be dissimilar to that of their once beloved leader. It is possible Saiful islam may have agreed to some terms of NATO and hence avoid execution. He would be forced to make public acceptanc of previous mistakes and eventually given role in the future of Libya.
albert pace
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:50
So the libyans bombarded Gadafi when he was runnung away. Were they sure that it was him or were they bombarding everything which moved.
Now in a few weeks time we will watch the variuos libyan tribes killing each. It will be a repeat performance of what happened in Yugoslavia. This time however we will also watch fierce competition from UK, USA and France trying in order to obtain the best possible deal from their close contacts they have from the new regime . Any bets on who will steal their Petroleum?
It is a pity that our prime minister had the '' honour'' to be the last person to go begging to Ghaddafi. That is the type of political forsight we have in this country.
G G Debono
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:37
“My guess is that he choked on a pretzel.” ………………..“Cameron tells the world it`s wrong to riot in his country when his people had enough last month.......but yet he finds it perfectly right to arm savages of other countries to publicly kill their own leaders “
Don’t you guys have something better to do than talk such frivolous rot ?
This monster has been responsible for unbelievable suffering and death of thousands of people and you talk about this as if it were a joke.
Yaq !
Please inform yourselves before making stupid comments…
James Dewar
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:33
There are surely many more questions than forthcoming answers. The new regime is off to a very bad start if it ever was the intention to operate in a democratic and civilised manner. "Thugs are us" return to the streets of Libya.
Mr David Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:21
Gaddafi RIP. I hope he is given a decent funeral.
The death of person, whoever he is, can never be a cause of celebration. Gaddafi may have commited many crimes, however his summary execution is not befitting of a modern civilised state.
mark borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:19
Cameron tells the world it`s wrong to riot in his country when his people had enough last month.......but yet he finds it perfectly right to arm savages of other countries to publicly kill their own leaders and whoever in their callous mind deem necessary !!! just today in Wall street ,scores of people were arrested for protesting peacefully : what should we do arm the civilians to topple Obama ???
Sandro Pace
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:22
No, they can do that comes election time. You have no sense of proportion comparing these events.
R ferriggi
Oct 22nd 2011, 22:08
aha,,,,,,,,,,,,,
we have another KMB!!!!
prosit Borg.
nice. the show goes on.
Angus Black
Oct 22nd 2011, 22:16
Go tell it to KMB.
Philip Hili
Oct 23rd 2011, 01:21
@ Mark Borg
"scores of people were arrested for protesting peacefully"
Mr Borg, may I ask you whether Gaddafi did the same thing when his people tried to protest peacefully?
Mr Borg, did Gaddafi and his regime allowed his people to protest peacefully?
Mr Borg, do you know were is "Green Square" and what happened there in the Gaddafi days?
Mr Borg, do you know that today, "Green Square" is called "Martyrs' Square"? and do you know why?
Mr Borg, please stop talking nonsense and respect the intelligence of the readers of this page!!
C Falzon
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:13
"Libyans rule out Gaddafi post-mortem"
According to the CNN website "A post-mortem examination on the body of Libya's ex-leader Muammar Gaddafi has been performed in Misrata, an official told the BBC."
My guess is that he choked on a pretzel.
mark borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:11
what can anyone say Lockerbie and many things Ghaddafi is responsable for was not civilized and pure evil,but does anyone want their country governed by these people(THUGS),,,,???what a mess,two wrongs don't make a right but what a terrible thing lockerbie was and nothing can balance up that.the whole thing is wrong and that is why no one can say if it's right or wrong.if you had family or friends killed by him you go one way,the reason there are terrorist is because they may have lost family or friends killed by probably by the WEST.argue as much as you like,but there is no answer to it !
James Dewar
Oct 22nd 2011, 23:29
Mark, There may or may not be concrete answers to some of the relevant questions but that should not disallow proper debate to take place as to the legality or otherwise of the deathof the dictator and his son. There are many questions, the honest answers to which may serve to satisfy at least some of those who have genuine concerns regarding the sequence of events that took place after their capture.
John Borg
Oct 23rd 2011, 10:49
Who are you to say if its right or wrong, where were you when 42 yrs he was killing every one that comes in his way...These people that you are calling them (THUGS) these are HEROS that gave thier lifes, for us to build our future,, Shame on you,,,,In libya there is no terrorists, there is people that want to live FREE, and having rights... Thousands of Libyans have lost thier loved once, not from the West, but from the Murderer, Dictator, Evil Gaddafi...Most probably your writing from your cousy soffa,and you know nothing about what the Libyans Suffered, or if you know your being SELFISH...Mr. Borg I want to tell you one some thing,, dont worry about Libya or the Libyans, bcs they know how to handle their own things,,and another important thing,, the Dictator for 8 months tried to make rumours about TRIBES, but in Libya we they are all LIBYANS..
You seems so upsat about the Loss of the Murderer, By the way are you one of the TYRANTS circle???????? The niciest of them all is,,,that the Tyrant is FINISHED, FINISHED...
God Bless Libya,, and Gaddafi go to HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl..............
V Caruana
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:46
Who is to believe that a secular pro western government will reign in Libya? libya is a tribal country and the best one wins. It could be that pro-islamist radical party will take over part of Libya. Unfortunately we have been watching Medieval times live on TV/ internet in 2011.
Francis Coquelin
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:02
And where did you extract these pearls of historical wisdom, if I may ask?
Sandro Pace
Oct 23rd 2011, 00:18
Yes Mr. Coquelin, pessimism galore. It seems that most maltese bloggers are libyan anthropological experts, perhaps knowing on libya even more than the libyans themselves. It is as if Libya and the Libyans are the same as those of 40 years ago. Some even seems to take it with the libyan people for liberating themselves from this brutal dictator, or calling nato.
Give Libya a chance. If one fears what comes next, nothing ever will be done. Yes there will be some chaos and disagreements and hard times, taming, healing, but what needs to be done should be done. There is no link or effect between what happened to Gaddafi and the start of democracy in libya. Gaddafi invited it. He could have fled to niger or consigned himself to some international authority.
He uselessly prolonged the conflict, and once he was captured by battle hardened and war tired soldiers, who have seen enough bloodshed, the outcome could not have been otherwise. The blame is not on the soldiers, it is on him. Totally. Even the most phlegmatic person would have acted that way. It's almost the same reaons why the atom bombs were necessary on Japan, when it remained stubborn to surrender. The world was tired of more conflict and bloodshed. Two bombs, and voila'. No more war.
It's better if people understand the situation, the temperament, the frame of mind, the moment. before blabbering stupidly from high moral grounds. From the heat of the desert and the anxiety of getting uselessly killed to the cool armchairs in malta, things are seen differently.
Charles J. Buttigieg
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:35
Throughout time immemorial Libya never tasted the good feeling of being a Democracy. Libya was an Italian Colony which treated the natives worst than Gaddafi. When Libya fell to the Allies in WW II the British instilled King Idris as their puppet and later he too became a dictator protected by the British in Whitehall. Then in 1969 Gaddafi took over with a pledge for freedom for all with his sad and farcical notion of the People’s Congress - and we all know how that was manipulated to make him the absolute ruler.
And now, after a revolution which took away 50,000 victims we are already seeing anarchy and a botched dislocated self appointed interim government promising free elections in eight months time. I’d really like to see the formation of different political groups, the drafting of a constitution, freedom to the media, the infrastructure for a voting system, the fair enlistment and distribution of documents to all eligible voters and a civil democratic political campaigned prior to the general elections day. Could all that happen in eight months?
If the transitorily government really wants to build a new and democratic Libya they must follow each step that was taken by Nelson Mandela in South Africa. Forget bygones and vendetta, establish the rule of law and set meaningful targets to see Libya moving the way forward. An eye for an eye would be suicidal and will not suffice.
Francis Coquelin
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:00
What anarchy? What botched government? They just overthrew a 40-year old dictatorship which came to power after decades of brutal colonial rule. Do you expect them to magically set up political parties and a constitution in the blink of an eye? We've had a constitution and a democracy for almost 50 years and yet we have plenty of skeletons in our cupboard. So why all this false morality and superior attitudes all of a sudden?
Sandro Pace
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:48
Charles Buttigieg, till now Libyans have not resorted to any massive eye for an eye. They've only reserved that treatment to the one and only, once he was stubborn enough to prolong the conflict and the useless killings. It was natural, once he, being the sole responsible for this prolongment, fell into the hands of people hardened and tired by fighting. Fighting is harsh. Other than that there is no linking between this act and a democratic libya, or the pessimist conclusions many are drawing here out of this single act. I'll bet this, I'll bet that....everyone seems to be a libyan expert more than the libyans themselves.
Eight months may not be enough but it has to be done. It's always a lose-lose situation with some people.
If they prolong they'll start saying that the NTC turned a dictator. etc. etc. Today's Libya is not that of 40 years ago. Give them a chance. The removal of gaddafi was an inevitable thing, whatever comes next. He could not die a peaceful dead. It would have been a travesty of justice.
Victor Pulis
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:30
And what about Mutassim's death? Was there a cross fire in his cell as well? These men should have stood trial. The way things went they were turned into martyrs just like they wanted.
James Dewar
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:36
Yes Victor, A valid point indeed which can not have escaped the eyes of the civilised world. Makes the circumstances of his dictator father's death even more questionable.
mark borg
Oct 23rd 2011, 08:40
Correct Victor and anyway let’s forget the Gaddafy father and son murders and close an eye because for sure they are a big cause of all this trouble, but arming the rebel thugs was the worst and most irresponsible thing in history by the supposed civilised west -no one could deny that there are armed gangs, with many no other motive but doing personal vendettas and looting in a war torn country .What worries me that we are sending a very wrong messages to our children, as they are seeing constantly on media (live) barbarism (being praised) !! What is the world coming to ?? Where are the church on this one for example??? True Ghaddafi was a despot and deserved what he got ,however the scenes and massages we are being fed from the media are worrying and incredible. Let us not forget this is a very bad example for youths and this generation -we are showing them that it is fine to seek vengeance (which anyway for sure these armed gangs and thugs most of them were the same ghaddafi people authors of atrocities themselves!!!) many sly foxes that became turcoats, now on an orgy of more violence and bloodshed with the benediction of Obama (incredible but true ) !! Obama ,Sarcozy and Cameron should be brought to justice for fuelling this massacre, just to benefit on building contracts and oil !! Anyone speaking in favour of this organised barbarism should get his head examined and fast! Well most probably today they are at the churches listening carefully to what the preacher has got to say !!!!!
Vincent Cassar
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:08
Nice way to start the post-Ghaddafi era. Ghaddafi was a tyrant. These are no less! Time will tell. The rule of the jungle rules Libya. One question: Will those pro-Ghaddafi hand in their arms? I think that the worst is yet to come but the West doesn't give a hoot. It now has the oil and all it needs to do is a divide and conquer policy.
To the Libyan people: Not the demise of Ghaddafi will liberate you but education and an understanding that you must now fight off the West's oppression which comes in a very subtle and convincing manner.
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:37
I dont know why every one is making a big fuss, about the Dead of this Murderer Dictator??? Where was every body when the Libyans were dying one after each other...No one have the right to jugde these people, bcs they suffered for 42 yrs, Thousands of innocent people die under the hands of this DICTATOR,,,What do you expect them to do???? you will tell me TAKE HIM TO A FAIR TRAIL,, but what every body is forgetting is that these HEROS Rebels for 8 months they ve seen their loved once dying one after each other...What you dont know is that in Libya every family lost her Sons and their husbands and their Loved once,,,
I want to ask this question to every body pls????? What would you do if some body kills one of your Sons, or your daughter, they rape your wife in front of your eyes, in cold blood?????????????????????????????
Do you permit your self to think what to do with the Murderer in that crazy moment??????????????????????????
Francis Coquelin
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:05
While I understand that this is not exactly a forum for thoughtful discourse, those who wish to act like armchair critics on the aftermath of revolutions and the origins of democracy would do well to read about the end of world war two in Europe. They will then discover that the scale of post-war violence in, say, Italy and France against ex-Fascists and Nazi collaborators well outnumbered what we see in Libya today.
B galea
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:59
justice for gaddafi?come on! All the poor women who have been raped,and all other libians are glad that justice hhas been made that way! Miskina his wife be came a widow,what about all those who lost their loved ones just cause he wanted 2 kill them!? People now may slp well at night knowing they wont be harmed anymore! She should keep her mouth shut if she wants 2 keep seeing the light as she might get the same faith as her husband! 0GOOD LUCK LIBIA!
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:12
Your very right, The Murderers wife is talking about justice, where was she?? when her Dragula Dictator, Gaddafi was sucking BLOOD from the innocent Libyans, for 42 yrs,SHAME ON THEM,,, Now she is in Algeria living in a 5 star Hotel with the money they stole from the Libyans...
Let her feel what the Libyan Felt, when her beloved husband killed thousands of people.....All this family are MURDERERS..
God bess Libya,, and Gaddafi go to HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.......
John J Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:52
still running around with gaddafi`s body....it was already shocking now its getting disgusting
Francis Coquelin
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:05
Either way it's none of your business.
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:31
Maybe disgusting for you sitting on your lovely Soffa,,,,But not for them, because these are HERO-FIGHTERS,, they bring us HOPE, and FREEDOM, They give their blood, so we could live like you.... Dont be Selfish,, bcs you are....Still you dont know nothing about what happened to the Libyans????
The Dictator dont deserve better than this,, and he go to HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL..........
Franco Farrugia
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:46
@ Mr Malcolm Seychell, vella m, Mr Joe Borg: This is the fruit of running a country by dictatorship, where the law of the jungle runs supreme. Gaddafi died by the sword, many would claim, and I would agree. All this was his doing - he had 41 years to turn Libya into a proper country, with democracy and all and he did not. Those of us who support dictatorships of any kind, through word and deed, ought to be careful how to express themselves.
Victor Pulis
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:25
It is plain to see that he was lynched. There was no exchange of fire between NTC forces and loyalists as no one ran for cover. The shooting heard is being done by NTC personnel. The NTC is trying to hide the obvious. I hope this is not a taste of what's to come.
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:39
Mr. Pulis, the NTC are hidding nothing, bcs these Heros arent afraid of nothing,, These are Heros not Cowards,,, and after all this is not your business,, this is the Libyans business....
It doent matter who killed this Murderer, all it matters is that now hes dead,, and the Libyans can sleep peacefully....
Vincent Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:11
Lets all hope that the libyan affair was not just a change in uniform.
Stephen Florian
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:02
Mussolini copy cat situation.
Francis Coquelin
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:56
And your point is what exactly?
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:42
No my dear but our Musulini is DEAD,,, thanks God..........
Henry Mifsud
Oct 22nd 2011, 16:52
War brings out anger, heartache, anguish, madness in mankind who drops the "kind" bit to make way for his animal instincts to take over.
I sincerely hope that the Libyan people will soon forget this black episode in their history and return to normal civilized life in a speedy manner. They have a long way to go. First they must ensure that all armaments and weapons are withdrawn from civil society, then set up properly the army and the police forces to ensure the smooth running of the country and allow the democratic process take over by holding democratic elections. The sooner this is achieved, the better for the Libyan people and the international community.
Only then would Libya be truly free.
Mr Joe Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 16:52
Not a good start for Libya. No trial, No Democracy.
Joseph M. Saliba
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:25
I agree wtih you this is just the b eginning of another civil war for power. The same as happened in Iraq.
Sandro Pace
Oct 22nd 2011, 17:43
No, not exactly. The Libyan people have other more important occasions to prove whether they will embrace democracy. One might say that this neo-democracy just failed Gaddafi and his sons. Which is not a big deal. Up at that time it was also a war, and all is fair in love and war. Apparently, Gaddafi's forces didnt much make any prisoners neither.
All these exaggerated comments for just one person.
Victor Laiviera
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:24
@ Sandro Pace
The whole essence of democracy is that the life of one person, whoever he or she is, cannot be taken except after due process.
Charles J. Buttigieg
Oct 22nd 2011, 19:05
Victor,there is no due process to take away life. Nobody on earth has got that right . Capital punishment is an act of murder too.
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 20:54
Who told you Mr. Borg that Libya started yet, go to Libya to see the Big disaster the Dictator left behind him... I feel teribly sorry for these people, Gaddafi the Murderer was a dictator with an iron Fist,,, In Libya there is no proper schools, nor Hospitals,nor education bcs Gaddafi wanted the people to be like this... The NTC are doing a good Job,, but they cant do every think in one click....We get Rid of the Dictator 2 days ago, so give us a chance to take our breaths,,, Dont forget that every family have thier loved once burried or missing,, so dont be Selfish,,,,,,,,,,,
God Bless Libya and Gaddafi go to HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL............
vella m
Oct 22nd 2011, 16:45
Is it the end or just the beginning???????????
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 21:07
Mr.Vella this is the end of the dictatorship, and the begging of a New Libya...And Mr. Laviera the Life of this person your mentioned is full with BLOOD, for 42 yrs he killed thousands in cold blood, so who gave him the autority to kill innocent people.. you cant talk about whats wrong and whats right, bcs your not in Libya,,, you never suffered like these innocent people.. The Dictator use kill people just bcs they dont like his rules,, it this Democracy or what?????????
we use to cry when we know that we have a public holiday, bcs in every public holiday he use to HANG people in the so called (THe Green square) in front of every body,, is this democracy for you?????????
So let him go to HELL were he belongs................
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 21:07
Mr.Vella this is the end of the dictatorship, and the begging of a New Libya...And Mr. Laviera the Life of this person your mentioned is full with BLOOD, for 42 yrs he killed thousands in cold blood, so who gave him the autority to kill innocent people.. you cant talk about whats wrong and whats right, bcs your not in Libya,,, you never suffered like these innocent people.. The Dictator use kill people just bcs they dont like his rules,, it this Democracy or what?????????
we use to cry when we know that we have a public holiday, bcs in every public holiday he use to HANG people in the so called (THe Green square) in front of every body,, is this democracy for you?????????
So let him go to HELL were he belongs................
MALCOLM SEYCHELL
Oct 22nd 2011, 16:43
The law of the jungle is ruling again in Libya. Prosit Nato
Mr Fred Muscat
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:03
One should ask the Ghaddafi family baby-sitter about her opinion whether they should have been treated better!
B Attard
Oct 22nd 2011, 18:27
Nato was what Libya required to crown all. I bet these people will end up in civil war with so many pilots at one stern.... and probably that's what the western leaders will cheer at.
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 21:13
My dear the Law of the Jungle finished with the Dictator, Murderer, Gaddafi,, and there is no reason to blame NATO.. We all respect NATO in Libya bcs it saved alot of lives,, No matter what you and the writers think... You werent in Libya with us, when the TYRANT was killing every single thing that moves,,, so shut your mouth pls.........
Noel Mifsud
Oct 23rd 2011, 08:34
Fred 2 wrongs dont make oine right. Il mara li giet Malta miskina, imma kieku iproccesawh bhal Saddam u qatawilu ghal mewt differenti.
Franco Farrugia
Oct 22nd 2011, 16:30
Well, something is very clear - there is nobody in charge, in Libya. Western heads of state would do well to be wary of this situation!
Christine Xuereb
Oct 22nd 2011, 16:35
That is why the Western leaders will get what they wanted -
John Borg
Oct 22nd 2011, 21:20
Im sure that with these Westerns your talking about, we will find Mercy in thier hearts for us, more than the Murderer Gaddafi.....