PN slams Sant's Libyan money claim
The Nationalist Party this afternoon categorically denied that it ever received funds for its EU membership, or for any other electoral campaign, from the Gaddafi regime as alleged by former labour leader Alfred Sant.
The PN pointed out that in an opinion piece in It-Torca yesterday, Dr Sant said: “jidher li fondi Libjani ġew investiti fil-kampanja enormi li saret f’Malta biex din tidħol membru tal-Unjoni Ewropea” and “Fazzjonijiet importanti fit-tmexxija tal-Libja fi żmien il-Kurunell Muammar Gaddafi appoġġjaw finanzjarjament il-kampanja tal-Partit Nazzjonalista biex Malta tissieħeb fl-Unjoni Ewropea ”.
Seven years after his ‘Partnership’ was rejected, and the electorate voted, overwhelmingly, for EU membership, Alfred Sant was still bitter and came up with fictitious allegations which were complete hogwash, the PN said.
It challenged Dr Sant to substantiate his allegations with raw facts.
"He should also explain what financial assistance his party received from the Gaddafi regime. Should Dr. Sant fail to do so, then the least Labour can do, is to disociate itself from Sant’s allegations," the PN said.
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I Bugeja
Sep 14th 2011, 14:39
Last time I recall Dr Sant had proof against an issue of JPO; Sant was ridiculed and it turned out to be the truth... I hope this is not the case as it would be a shame for Malta.
Mr Henry Mifsud
Sep 14th 2011, 06:11
All truth passes through 3 stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)
Mr Pat Hobson
Sep 13th 2011, 10:24
Why the PN does not publish its accounts for the period? Then we can rest assured that what Dr. Sant is saying is not true. But something comes to mind. Why the PN is opposing the law about party funding? The PL has already said that if the PN releases its accounts it would do the same. It takes two to tango. And why is the PN so reluctant about the ceiling of party funding? Something stinks and it's not my socks that I"m wearing.
Ms D Galea
Sep 14th 2011, 14:34
Why does not the MLP punlish its accounts so that the party faithful will know EXACTLY how much was spent in setting up the first Maltastar website?
Anthony Farrugia
Sep 13th 2011, 09:48
Perhaps Dr Sant is morally convinced of what he is claiming. We have heard that before.
victor caruana
Sep 13th 2011, 08:13
I stand by Dr. Sant....he is no hypocrite, corrupt or power hungry.
Mr N. Agius
Sep 14th 2011, 15:25
Actually he's too genuine and honest for politics.
Bernard Storace
Sep 13th 2011, 07:31
Why don't you grow up and run the country instead. All this bickering...you're worse than fish wives.
Caroline J. Muscat
Sep 14th 2011, 12:02
My my aren't we sexist!
M. Bezzina
Sep 13th 2011, 07:27
hah ha tajba din......qedin sew it tnejn jakkuzaw lil xilxin li hadu l fondi min gaddaffi
Victor Vella
Sep 13th 2011, 07:25
sa fl0ahhar sab x kienet ir raguni ghalfejn tilef ir refereddum ta l0EU Sant,issa mhux il mejtin li hargu jivvotaw.
Mark Cassar
Sep 13th 2011, 06:28
Once again Dr Sant has salient information which we should all know about; there in no denying that, however, very typically, he only gives a mere hint of what he knows. He should elaborate further and give certain details as to the timing of when the information was passed on to him, and at least the position of the individual in the Ghaddafi regime if not the actual name. These are also salient; without them then the information is just a whiff, when they should be rock solid.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 13th 2011, 00:31
I think "PL Supporter" will soon become a new Medical Term to mean "someone who accuses someone else of his own crimes"...
Mr Robert Calafato
Sep 12th 2011, 23:36
Why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.
Mark Twain
Mr Charles.C. Brown
Sep 12th 2011, 22:53
Yes i rememer it very well , labour claiming victory with a number of labour supporters jumping for joy in marsa shouting partnership, partnership and viva il labour and they all went silent when we joined the EU! SOME VICTORY THAT WAS!!!
Alfred Falzon
Sep 14th 2011, 10:46
And we remember a certain Charles C Brown belittling Libyan freedom fighters, calling them "clowns" and going against the grain of the PN which lent its support to the TNC right from the start!
We recall a certain Charles C Brown's adulation of fallen ruthless tyrant Khadafi, his sweeping statements castigating the Libyan pro-democracy activists and lauding the onslaught of Khadafi's armed forces on unarmed citizens in Benghazi and Mis(u)rata!!
Perhaps this Charles C Brown has conveniently forgotten all this, but we have an elephant's memory which likens him to local Gaddafi stooge KMB!
Hopefully, it is not the same Charles C Brown we have in mind or his double, for that matter!!
Mr David Bezzina
Sep 12th 2011, 22:06
I DO NOT THINK THAT THE PN NEEDED FUNDING FROM THE LIBYANS SINCE IT ALREADY HAS MANY GENEROUS BENEFACTORS WHO GET GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS IN RETURN FOR GENEROUS DONATIONS GIVEN TO THE PARTY.
Michael Gatt
Sep 12th 2011, 21:54
Il qasba ma iccaqcaqx ghal xejn jalla johrog izjed dwar din l-istorja ghax interessanti tidher
Charles J. Buttigieg
Sep 12th 2011, 21:10
Don't speak too soon.The player might have a card up his sleeve.
Mr Angus Black
Sep 13th 2011, 00:17
Hope springs eternal, Charles.
There must be something between you and Freddie that keeps you hoping that even after disappointing you so bitterly (elections, referendum) he may yet make a come-back?
People of sound mind do think that Freddie played all the cards he had up his sleeve(s). Now he may have some imaginary ones, all right. There is a cure for that condition, too.
The NP has issued a statement and you can take it to the bank. Remember there is a world of a difference between how the LP operates as compared to the NP. How about the LP issue a statement giving details of how much money Gaddafi contributed to the Party?
A denial from the LP is akin to Joe Sammut denying having ever handled the Gaddafi family accounts.
Mark Galea
Sep 13th 2011, 08:04
Yes, you may be right. He might even manage to give PN another winning card. PL always manage to give PN a good card when election time starts looming ...
Mark Zammit
Sep 12th 2011, 21:03
OMG! Hilarious. Outrageous. Tal-biki.
I s*** hope that Joseph Muscat disassociates himself from Sant's plain stupid comments, and whilst at it says something about that damning document published yesterday by Il-Mument which reveals how Malta was, in 1986, suspiciously viewed by the Reagan Administration.
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 22:59
Erm .... why on earth would being viewed suspiciously by the Reagan administration be "damning"? I would say it was about the best compliment one could get ....
Mario Grima
Sep 13th 2011, 07:01
The suspicions of the Reagan Administration reached out on all the European countries, especially France and Italy who wanted to secure the lucrative contracts at stake. Just list the visits of the various Head of States who met Colonel Ghaddafi to get some of his raw materials or to sell him arms. They all did it, including Malta, both under the Nationalist and Labour administration for the benefit of their countries. And what about the British, years later, during the Bush Administration, when El Megrabi was was used by Tony Blair as their wheeling dealing card in their business negotiations.
So much for the document published by 'Il-Mument'. The PN are only trying to alienate the people from the real problems our economy is going through.
Maria Cassar
Sep 12th 2011, 20:59
Move on - get over it; you failed and the people rejected you twice in a general election and once in the EU referendum. Stop making silly allegations. The PN press statement is spot on.
Alexander Brincat
Sep 12th 2011, 20:45
How come it took a day and a half to deny the claim. Did such claim create a sudden shock within PN? It took too long to deny.
JESMOND PACE
Sep 12th 2011, 21:09
Uuuuuuuuuu qed nghidlek... richter 7.5 .
Mr Robert Agius
Sep 12th 2011, 21:47
After this many years in power Alfred Sant is still not credible!! All he has done is chucked unsubstantiated allegation after unsubstantiated allegation. Time and again we have found nothing behind the allegation but loads of bhanen that believed him......qiskom qatta lemmings...... il-bierah knot temmnu ll 'all shares nidhlu fl'EU u ileum tipposaw quddiem l-istellel - partite tal Mickey Mouse! Capcpu a Cwic!
Mr Angus Black
Sep 13th 2011, 03:07
Shock? What shock?
The NP thinks twice before it speaks once, but when it does, you can take their word to the bank.
With the LP whenever they speak, first you have to see whether it is an outright lie, then maybe a spinned piece of no news, then perhaps an unfounded allegation, followed by a case of mud throwing and the plain truth is not even on their radar screen.
If truth slapped the Lejburisti in the face, they would not even know what hit them.
Mr Paul Caruana
Sep 12th 2011, 20:06
It is difficult not to be sceptical about such claims....what interest would Libya have to see Malta join the EU?
If anything, Libya would have had an interest in funding an anti-EU campaign, since as an EU member state Libya's influence over Malta would be/is significantly diminished.!
Ray Gatt
Sep 12th 2011, 19:46
Alfred Sant - another MLP failure.
Mr David Bezzina
Sep 12th 2011, 20:06
He might have been a political failure but he definetely is not a liar.He was always too honest to be in politics.
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 20:53
Spot on Mr. Bezzina I couldn't have said it better myself or any honest man.
Mr Robert Agius
Sep 12th 2011, 21:43
@Bezzina @ Vassallo
Was he honest when he intimated that he would remove VAT and Cash Registers?
Was he honest when he promised to retain stipends?
Was he honest when he promised to keep the Drydocks Council?
Was he honest when he promised to dismantle Mater Dei - brick by brick?
Wake up folks - Alfred Sant lives in his own fantasy world - he should stick to writing poor fiction! He is so predictable it's not funny!
Mr Charles.C. Brown
Sep 12th 2011, 23:03
If not not becouse of democrat mintoff in 1987 and again with alfred sant going for an election in 1998 the PN wouldnt have been where he is today. you should all thank mintoff for sending you into casstille!!
Mr Evarist Saliba
Sep 13th 2011, 12:19
@Bezzina and Vassallo
Dr Alfred Sant is also a good fiction writer.
Mr Carmelo Micallef
Sep 12th 2011, 19:43
Dr Sant, the usual unsubstantiated allegations - perennial loser - 5 elections out of 6 lost - EU Referendum lost - the 1 election he won gave him a Ministry of 22 months before Dom Mintoff stabbed him in the back and Dr Sant returned the favour by calling the other a 'traitor'. What a bunch of losers.
The Libyan NTC plans to hold Truth and Reconcialtion hearings - the truth will come out - before or after an election. If the truth comes out first, PL will lose another election. If the truth comes out after the election then PL will lose another generation. Your call boys and girls - now lets allow Little Joe and the Dinosaurs to strut their stuff............. triumphalism before they have won an election, will they never learn?
Frans Aguis
Sep 12th 2011, 19:38
hope there's more to hear on this story
Tim Gauci
Sep 12th 2011, 19:26
PL/PN - same thing, different color. Will you people ever learn ?
G G Debono
Sep 12th 2011, 19:35
Sorry Dr Sant - - - wrong number... and terribly far-fetched !
As though Gaddafi would ever have wanted Malta to join the EU ! Joining the EU put Malta well out of his reach and influence !
Mr B Grech
Sep 13th 2011, 08:25
@G G Debono please explain how. If you followed TVM news in the years following EU ascension, our government made a huge deal about our relationship with Libya up to very recently.
JESMOND PACE
Sep 12th 2011, 19:24
He he - tajba... Ghidilna ohra Dr. Sant he he.... tajba .... veru competition ma KMB - fihom glieda ha nghidlek - qisek qed tghid Hans Christian Anderson vs JK Rowling.... insomma hux fiction and fables at heir best .... iva OK nametti ta l-ahhar ghamlu aktar success..... Heqq hux l-izpizjar milli jkollu jtik...
charlie cauchi
Sep 12th 2011, 18:48
mulej ghidli min huma il hbieb ghax l gheddewa naf. alla ibierek dan il pajjiz kif sar kull partit jisthi mil passat tieghu, kull politikant fid dinja li mar jinhab ma gaddaffi issa irrid jghid li qatt ma mar. il partit laborista u dak nazjonalista jaghjru lil xulxin min mar jithabeb l iktar ma gaddaffi. IPOKRITI IPOKRITI IPOKRITI
Tony Borg
Sep 13th 2011, 08:39
Very Well Said......100pc Spot On !!!!!!!!!!!
Mr Paul Cassar
Sep 12th 2011, 18:45
I REMEMBER CLEARLY EFA POINTING FINGERS AT DR. SANT...............AND LATER BE CONDEMNED BY THE COURT AND FINED LM 2000.
PULLICINO ORLANDO POINTING FINGERS AT DR. SANT......................AND LATER JPO WAS ACCUSED BY HIS OWN PARTY FOR THE SAME MISDEED.
DR GONZI PROMISES AND LETTERS PROVING TO BE THE CONTRARY OF HIS ACTIONS.
WE KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE................AND WE WILL REMEMBER.
neville pace
Sep 12th 2011, 18:38
IN his article, Alfred Sant says that the information was given to him by an influential person close to the Libyan Regime...."persuna ta' influwenza fil-libya ta' ghaddafi"....
Can Alfred Sant explain why, in the national interest, he had talks with this person? on whose behalf was he meeting this person, and what was the nature of the discussion? Was it in his capacity as Prime Minister, in his capacity as Leader of teh Opposition, or in his capacity as an MP appearing for Joeseph Muscat as one of emisseries to the Ghaddafi regime..
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 18:56
Ooooh - isn't Mr Pace Clever? He thinks he has found a way of turning the tables!
neville pace
Sep 12th 2011, 19:25
As to the PL and Ghaddafi, there is no table tom turn....just remember the blood-brother relationship, and this carried on till the very end....
The sad part of it is that with the fall of ghaddafi, his loyalists, like Karmenu Vella, Joe Sammut, Joe Grima, George vella, and all the rest will not fall like him.
It was Joe Muscat who called them in, and it is he who has to shoulder responsibility for the record
ray huber
Sep 12th 2011, 18:36
If one had to come to a conclusion of who is telling the truth I would surely drop out the PN, they have lied too much to be believed!
Sorry PN lovers
Mr J Busuttil
Sep 12th 2011, 19:20
Ray we pity you.
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 21:03
@Mr J Busuttil
Oh no Mr.Busuttil Don't pity him Imma thahsar lilek u il bqija fidili tal pn.
Darren Portelli
Sep 12th 2011, 18:26
Im really getting tired of these Maltese politicians, all of them, who are trying to re-write history to suite the needs of the victor. If Ghaddafi had beat the rebels then no one would be saying all this stuff, and we would go back to kissing his hand, like we are now kissing the hand of Jibril
neville pace
Sep 12th 2011, 18:41
That is why labour was cautious in coming clean at the start of the upring. It was still hopeful that Ghaddafi would remain. ONE TV was even showing his face as a backdrop to the news related to the revolution. This means it was on HIS side rather than on the side of the PEOPLE.
The PM was clear from teh start of the revolution - that Ghaddafi must go...He was on the side of the people from day 1.
Noel Abela
Sep 12th 2011, 19:12
@neville pace
Have you ever seen Sky News, they too show Gaddaffi's face in the background. How patetic of you my friend.
Darren Portelli
Sep 12th 2011, 20:03
Neville, you just proved my point.
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 21:37
Like when Gonzi was the very last European politician to hug and kiss Gaddafi? I wonder if he was thinking of this revelation at the time?
Alfred Falzon
Sep 14th 2011, 11:09
@ Victor Laiviera
All is pointing to who was the most servile to the Khadafi regime prior to the Libyan Uprising against the tyrant: the PL or the PN?
An interesting scenario in which we overhear the pot calling the kettle black, one trying to outdo the other, in a childish attempt to curry favour with the floating voters of whom very few have remained gullible!
Yet, listening to ONE RADIO (up to yesterday), one still gets the impression of a PL nostalgia for the fallen despot and his corrupt and brutal regime, judging by the slanted news they are trying to dish out to what's left of their sheepish faithful!
neville pace
Sep 12th 2011, 18:25
The Libyan Connection can only be linked to the Labour Party, and Joseph Muscat has surrounded himself with the whole lot of loyalists to Muhammar Ghaddafi....Alex Sciberras Trigona, Joe Grima and Karmenu Vella in particular.
Joseph Muscat has too much to explain for his choice...
Their lack of credibility and close connections with the libyan regime puts no one BUT Joseph Muiscat in bad light...
SHAME on Labour...
Alex Sciberras Trigona may be malta next foreign minister under Muscat...even if NOT Elcected to parliament....Muscat please come clean and explain yourself...will there be some justification???
Mr Victor vella
Sep 12th 2011, 18:24
It is better for Sant to continue to write fiction books and live in fantasies of his own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carmel Xuereb
Sep 12th 2011, 18:17
Tghid ghad insibu xi kitba dokumentata ta' meta EFA u siehbu marru fl-Gharix meta Mintoff kien miksur ma Gaddafi meta dan bghat il-Gun Boats waqt li konna ha nibdew inhaffru ghaz-zejt? Tghid dak inhar x'intqal? id-delegazzoni tal-PN marret biex tipperswadi lil Gaddafi biex joqgod kwiet halli nsibu z-zejt u nigu bhan-nies jew bil-kuntlarju? Ghandi kurzita kbira biex inkun naf u mhux jien biss imma nahseb Malta kollha. Tghid ghad narawhom dawn il-karti? J'Alla.
Mr Peter Barbara
Sep 12th 2011, 18:13
once again ????!!!
Etienne Bonanno
Sep 12th 2011, 18:10
My question is...what motive would Gaddafi have had in wanting Malta in the EU?!? Actually, as far as I know the Malta/Libya relationship started to deteriorate as soon as Malta announced its intention to join the EU. This accusation doesn't make much sense to my ears. Unless the "important factions" were private investors and not the Libyan Government itself, in which case Dr. Sant's words are nothing but smoke and mirrors.
Joseph Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 17:59
As always, it all boils down to a question of credibility. As for me, I personally think that Alfred Sant is an honest politician and would not resort to any tactics as is being alleged by some contributors posting comments here.
Perhaps, once again, time will prove AS right.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 18:20
"Alfred Sant is an honest politician"
Then I think he will have no problems to "substantiate his allegations with raw facts" right?
neville pace
Sep 12th 2011, 18:28
Are your serious....
When was Alfred Sant proved right:
Local Councils? EU Membership? MAlta 's entry to the eurozone? PfP (he is also contradictied by George Vella)?
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 18:58
Mr Pace, you shot yourself in the foot when you mentioned Local Councils. I would bet that 99% of the Maltese people agree that Sant was right when he said that political parties should not contest the Local Council elections.
Alfred Falzon
Sep 15th 2011, 20:56
@ Joseph Camilleri
An excellent and prolific writer he might be, but as a politician he has failed miserably!
Mr D Farrugia
Sep 12th 2011, 17:56
Il Fatt jibqa li qabel ma gara li gara kulhadd jigri u jiehu ritratti ma gaddafi u kuljadd jorokklu dahru u flus ghaddejin min taht hadd ma jaf u hadd mu se jkun jaf, u mhux il-politici maltin biss imma l'mexxejja ta pajjizi ohra wkoll u issa f'daqqa wahda allajbierek iiiiii kemm hu ragel hazin dak gaddafi xarukaza.
Halluna ja pulitikanti ipokriti kollha kemm intkhom.
Gaddafi ilu jmexxi kif kien immexi l'libja anki meta tajnih il midalji. Immismikhom umbrajtuh dak in nhar mhux dal paroli kollu issa, qisu da gaddafi imbidel min qaddis al xitan f nofs ta lejl
frans camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 18:04
100%
neville pace
Sep 12th 2011, 18:30
Ture labour sur farrugia....johorgu il-kuluri u fejn thabbat qalbkom. Tant hu hekk li kif faqqet ir-revoluzzjoni fil-Libya, Wicc Ghaddafi kien igib is-SuperOne, mhux wicc ir-ribelli, jew il-bandiera taghhom...Shame on labour
Mr R Psaila
Sep 12th 2011, 22:32
Mr. Pace,
I think that you might have something to lose personally, the way you are trying to throw dirt at PL, if you saw Sky news, BBC news, Aljazeera and even CNN, you could have seen pictures of Gaddhafi at the back drop of the Libyan Conflict news reports and by the way don't forget your prime minister hugged Gaddhafi just a few days before the conflict got escalated. By saying this,I do not mean to offend Dr. Gonzi just to show you that irrelevantly who the Prime Minister is, Gaddhafi was our neighbour and so as long that he seemingly did not kill civilians, we had to respect him. Now the story is different, and he is wanted for atrocities and killing of innocent civilian people.
Maryanne Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 17:55
Mela dak li jghid GonziPN huwa kollu tajjeb u sagrosant u kulhadd irid jemmnu. Kif jiftah halqu l-Partit Laburista jew xi hadd li ghandu tendenzi laburisti ninfexxu nghajjruh. Haga wahda ma tistghux tghidu, li Dr. Alfred Sant DIZONEST.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 18:02
No, What GonziPN says is backed by facts .. indeed it was not even said by GonziPN but by intelligence cables leaked by Wikileaks ... while all that PL says is substantiated by nothing at all ... just words!!
R Axisa
Sep 12th 2011, 18:15
@Joseph Aquilina - and when Dr Fenech Adami made a clear cut statement during a TV broadcast before a general election that Dr Sant refused entry to one of Dr Eddie's sons at university - was that substantiated????? It was all a big fat lie!
I'm not saying that what Dr Sant is implying is true, but it's not fair to say that what the PN says is all true and what the PL says is all garbage!
More maturity is very much appreciated!
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 18:29
@R Axisa
Dr.Sant took Dr Fenech Adami to court and won the case against him. You see I have no problems talking about facts - as long as they are FACTS. What we have here at the moment is an allegation.
"but it's not fair to say that what the PN says is all true"
- far from it, like every political party PN does it best to always look nice. However the difference is that most often then not (even for legal reasons) PN tries to back its claims with statistics or some sort of written documents. Here we have allegations, and worst of all is that PL supporters defend these allegations just because they where made by Dr.Sant!!
"and what the PL says is all garbage"
- But you must admit that most of it is!
Maryanne Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 18:50
Mr.Aquilina must be living in dreamland. For example before the elections and after we were told 'Finanzi fis-Sod', then we find the opposite. Another example is where the NSO publish figures which imply that the economy is healthy; these figures are used immediately by GonziPn for propoganda purposes. Then after a number of months the NSO revise the figures which are not publicized and show a different picture. Are these the facts that back up GonziPn's arguments? I want to reiterate that Dr. Sant is neither DISHONEST NOR CORRUPT.
Maryanne Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 18:50
Mr.Aquilina must be living in dreamland. For example before the elections and after we were told 'Finanzi fis-Sod', then we find the opposite. Another example is where the NSO publish figures which imply that the economy is healthy; these figures are used immediately by GonziPn for propoganda purposes. Then after a number of months the NSO revise the figures which are not publicized and show a different picture. Are these the facts that back up GonziPn's arguments? I want to reiterate that Dr. Sant is neither DISHONEST OR CORRUPT.
R Axisa
Sep 12th 2011, 19:08
@Joseph Aquilina
Kif jghid il-Malti, iz-zmien jaghtina parir. U maz-zmien inkunu nafu min kien jghid il-'garbage'!
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 19:51
@Maryanne Camilleri
Fetch a dictionary and find the meaning of the word "recession". Then check the unemployment rate in Malta, and check the unemployment rate in other Mediterranean countries and see if we are better or worse ... and while there ... do yourself a favour and change the TV channel from Super One!!
Maryanne Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 20:22
J.Aquiulina, keep on dreaming. For your information I watch all the news channels both local and overseas.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 13th 2011, 00:12
@Maryanne Camilleri
Yes all PL supporters claim the same thing ... “I watch all the news channels” ... and then wonder of wonders they seem to not know of the economic reality out there!!
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 13th 2011, 09:17
@Maryanne Camilleri
All PL supporters claim the same thing ... they all "watch all the news channels both local and overseas" ... but somehow they fail to see the news items related to the big recession out there!!
Maryanne Camilleri
Sep 13th 2011, 11:21
J.Aquilina, unlike yourself I do not just watch Net news. The latest statistical figures from the EU show that all food items particularly vegetables and meat; and medicines are the most expensive in the EU. Furthermore the average wage rate in Malta is about half that of the EU average. Moreover if you examine the employment figures you will find that part-time employment in Malta is increasing and the rate of full-time employment is decreasing. There is no doubt that you being a GonziPn supporter see everything rosy. You also seem to forget that the national debt which is about €4 billion makes Malta among the 12 EU countries with a government debt ratios higher than 60% of its GDP.
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Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 13th 2011, 13:08
@Maryanne Camilleri
What you said just shows how Malta is not in the deer situation PL would love us to be!! Debt in Italy is 118.1% of GDP!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Italy). People over there cannot find work let alone par-time!! Unemployment rate in Malta is one of the lowest from all the EU (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php?title=File:Table_unemployment_rates.PNG&filetimestamp=20110504123450) and so far going down. Regarding salaries, yes, our salaries are not as much as in Germany or the UK but try to go to a dentist in those countries and you're broke.
P.S. - did you see my use of links to substantiate my argument? That is what Sant should do!!
Maryanne Camilleri
Sep 13th 2011, 15:36
Quoting Germany, UK and Italy shows how weak your arguments are, firstly professional fees in these countries must be higher since the salary rate far exceeds Malta's rate. Furthermore all PN Budgets for the last 25 years have always been in a deficit which indicates that Malta was and is living beyond its means. This only shows the bad financial management that PN Governments have endowed upon this country. It is ridiculous to suggest that anyone or any political party would want his country to be in dire straits. Your line of arguments and facts quoted indicate that your knowledge of Accountancy and Economics is very poor.
Anthony Farrugia
Sep 12th 2011, 17:44
Is Dr Sant only "morally convinced" or was some compromising material found in a trash can in Tripoli after the CNT took over the city
R Saliba
Sep 12th 2011, 17:42
I see Alfred Sant is still bitter. I wonder how he feels now that HIS leader is very much pro- EU.
Anthony Farrugia
Sep 12th 2011, 17:40
Alfred Sant seems to have joined PL/GhaddafiMLP in doing a Joe Stalin about their links with Ghaddafi’s Libya.
He also wrote a two-part article about Euro/Eurozone for The Times on the day that Moody’s downgrading was announced.
I am not into conspiracy theories but the timing was spot on. Reminds me of his Economist Intelligence
Unit Days.
Mr Emmanuel Ebejer
Sep 12th 2011, 17:38
What's the big deal!! Maybe Alfred Sant has taken a leaf out of his old rival's book, EFA, who found it convenient enough to falselty accuse him of denying his son entrance to the University.
R Saliba
Sep 12th 2011, 17:43
It is a big deal for all those who want a change in this country.
Mr Joe Micallef
Sep 12th 2011, 17:53
Oh so it is a tit for tat only that the tit is ridiculous whilst for the tat, although not directly, Sant who if I recall well was a key person in the education (LOL) system of that time did prejudice education for many - myself included.
Mr Emmanuel Ebejer
Sep 12th 2011, 22:36
My point being ..is it ok for politicians to lie? Answer...definetely not, not in my book!!!!
Rachel Borg
Sep 12th 2011, 17:36
Dear Dr. Sant, honestly, you kill me.
Come off it, your 'Partnership' failed miserably, it's time to move on - write a good book ... get over it ...
Alfred Falzon
Sep 12th 2011, 17:27
Nothing should take by surprise the Maltese electorate.
Gaddafi in power, in absolute power, would have gone to any lengths to please both major parties in Malta and thus hold sway over Malta's so-called "neutral" stance!
It is even rumoured that the Libyan regime may have offered financial assistance to "Alternattiva Demokratika" besides other splinter groups that sprang up these last years, especially prior to Malta's adherence to the European Union!
Things will smooth out as more beans are gradually being spilled in the light of Wikileaks and other secret documents that were uncovered lately in the Libyan despot's Intelligence Headquarters in Tripoli!!
No wonder the pot is always calling the kettle black!
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:39
ta il flus lil tal-farfet ukoll?
Alfred Falzon
Sep 14th 2011, 10:54
@ Joseph Aquilina
Silly questions, empty words do not merit an answer!
Yes, indeed, those in power or in opposition are all, all honorable man, and you might wish to join them!
They are all ABOVE BOARD, untouchables!
M Vella***
Sep 12th 2011, 17:26
Is labour party in Malta in favour of EEC or not please? Just asking.
Mr Peter Borg
Sep 12th 2011, 17:42
What is the EEC exactly ? Are you perhaps referring to the European Economic community which went out about twenty years ago ? Just asking ?
M Vella***
Sep 12th 2011, 19:14
Sorry Mr Peter Borg,not EEC but EC(EUROPEAN COMMUNITY )
Mr ALBERT FENECH
Sep 12th 2011, 17:26
Many commentators are trying to heap ridicule on Dr. Sant's allegation, mainly based on the benefit of their vast international knowledge (????) that Gaddafi was never in favour of the EU. Well, Gaddafi was never in favour of the USA, or Britain or Italy, but that did not stop him from making secret underhand deals with these countries, particularly with the CIA and MI5 who helped him round up his regime opponents wherever they were in the world! Gaddafi often expressed praises to Allah and the Islamic ideal - however, they did not stop him from attacking mosques and probably being responsible for the deaths of thousands of his fellow countrymen. International politics are dirty and throw up strange bedfellows.
I suppose that Dr Sant was "wrong" too in the little matter concerning JPO?
ALBERT FENECH
Qawra
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:33
So let me understand, Gaddafi wanted Malta to be part of the EU, but his Maltese friends (KMB, Mintof, ... why am I giving individual names ... PL) where against his plan!! And that for you makes sense!!? Pretty soon PL supporters like you will tell us that KMB + Sant + Joseph are on a secret mission in Libya to find Gaddafi and bring to justice!!
Mr ALBERT FENECH
Sep 12th 2011, 17:49
@Mr Joseph Aquilina
There is a GREAT probability that Gaddafi wanted Malta to be a part of the EU. One of his avowed intentions was to swamp Europe with Muslim immigrants and refugees (I hope and trust you don't dispute this as you seem to be a know-all wiseguy). He often boasted that within a few years there would be so many Muslims in Europe, that Europe would become Muslim. With Malta in the EU and with Malta swamped with refugees, it is obvious that these would be passed on to Europe because Malta could not possibly cope with such invasions and would turn (as it did) to other EU countries to take their share. I repeat, international politics are dirty and are not meant for the minds of naive simpletons.
ALBERT FENECH
Qawra
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 18:14
@Mr ALBERT FENECH
"here is a GREAT probability that Gaddafi wanted Malta to be a part of the EU."
Quote me a single source which highlights this!!? And please not Dr.Sant article ...
Mr ALBERT FENECH
Sep 12th 2011, 18:53
@ Mr Joseph Aquilina
Who knows where the truth lies? Nationalist Party MP Dr JPO "cried" into his handkerchief and wiped away "tears" when Dr Sant made his very substantiated allegations - and if I am not mistaken, he was elected from two districts by the NP faithful. As I said, and will repeat, politics are dirty and throw up strange bedfellows. Would you have honestly credited that Gaddafi had secret agreements with CIA and MI5 had such facts been named, say, last year? No - the whole world would have laughed in derision. Yet, it happened!
ALBERT FENECH
Qawra
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 13th 2011, 00:15
@Mr ALBERT FENECH
Do you or do you not have some reference to support your claim that "There is a GREAT probability that Gaddafi wanted Malta to be a part of the EU"??
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 17:13
It's quite amusing really. Some of the most vociferous here are always ready to believe any scurrilous rumour about Labour, no matter how far-fetched, unbelievable and ridiculous it is.
Yet they pretend to be shocked about a plausible claim like this.
Mr Julian Borg
Sep 12th 2011, 17:20
There is nothing plausible about this claim. How do you explain Gaddafi's no1 supporters vociferous anti-EU campaign?
I cannot wait for this plausible scenario.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:25
"Yet they pretend to be shocked about a plausible claim like this."
Good Victor, will be waiting for the day when Dr Sant will substantiate his allegations!!! I hope it will not be judgement day!!
A. Tabone
Sep 12th 2011, 17:32
I will be adding this "plausible claim" of his to the list of other PL-possibilities: The Sicilians invading us, the AIDS epidemic and, of course, the Martians' landing (and subsequent mysterious explosion) in Dingli last June...
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 17:32
@Mr Joseph Aquilina
Perhaps Wikileaks will beat him to the draw!!!
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 17:34
@ Joseph Aquilina
Perhaps Wikileaks will beat him to the draw.
How is that for you. satisfied!!!
J. Schembri
Sep 12th 2011, 17:42
Mr Laviera , as you always point out ....plausible or not plausible ,Dr sant has to prove his wild claim.
I think this is a pre-emptive attack from Dr Alfred Sant’s side.
I think it is more plausible if he stated that Gaddafi financed the MLP to fight against Malta’s entry into the EU .
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20020725/local/libya-quot-concerned-quot-over-impact-of-maltas-eu-membership.170358
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:50
@Alfred Vassallo
Do you know the meaning of the word "Perhaps"? Let me help you out; Perhaps: A word used to express uncertainty or possibility. In other words, you are not certain if wikileaks contain any information about links between PN and Gaddafi yet you still "Hope", "Dream", "Fantasise" that such documents exist!! ... "Perhaps" wikileaks will reveal something about the Gaddafi-PL affair?? ... ah ... ups ... they already did! (and in detail).
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 18:40
@Joseph Aquilina
You think you know them all don't you....Know what you really are one hell of a sore looser arn't you boy.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 13th 2011, 00:21
@Alfred Vassallo
First I do not know them all, and second I think it is pretty obvious who is the sore looser between me and you!
Mark Galea
Sep 12th 2011, 17:11
I'm sure it was integrity on his part that kept Dr Sant from exposing this fact during his 'Svizzera fil-Mediterran' campaign! Come on, Dr Sant! Try another! The best thing that ever happened to this country is when the nation saw through your devious ways and put you out of office!
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 17:28
''devious ways ''
I am sure you meant that to your pn lackeys because they are the ones who realy toqodlhom sew. U kif ukoll!!!!
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:09
"It challenged Dr Sant to substantiate his allegations with raw facts."
The problem with PL is that they never "substantiate" anything. They know that core PL supporters are like lemmings ... they tell them to jump and they just do that!! So they just spread rumours, point their fingers, and agitate people!! Hopefully one day they will learn that such stratagem does not win you anything!!
R. Borg
Sep 12th 2011, 18:21
You mean like when Fenech Adami told the maltese people that Alfred Sant was the cause that his son failed to go to the University. Which later thisstatement was proved to be false. DID YOU JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 13th 2011, 00:46
@R. Borg
So let me see if I understand your line of reasoning ... What Eddie Fenech Adami did was wrong, because he did not substantiate his accusation ... but what Dr.Sant is doing - THE SAME EXACT THING - is right?? I mean, if something is wrong for one person, it cannot become right for another! Or PL philosophy teaches otherwise?
Mr Tony Demanuele
Sep 12th 2011, 17:06
Ma tantx qal affarijiet Alfred Sant li ma sehhewx tassew. Nistennew u naraw fuq din il haga kif ser tizvolgi,imma biex qal dak li qal sinjal li ghandu biex jissustanzja kliemu. nistennew u naraw.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:16
A prime example of a PL lemming!!
Mr Ernest Vella
Sep 12th 2011, 17:04
Il-Labour jissejjah partit progressiv....lil kieku kien hekk ma tahsbux li Ghaddafi kien jaghti l-flus lil Labour biex idahhluna huma fl-Ewropa....minflok huma....il-PL....iffrizaw l-applikazzjoni.....Kemm ninsew malajr!!!
Mr Tony Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 16:59
Those who have an idea of international relations will not be surprised that such a thing as Dr Sant states has happened.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:24
PL supporters have really reached the bottom!!! They are now trying to imagine ... fantasise ... a new past for their party!!!
Joseph Bonello
Sep 12th 2011, 16:53
This is a sub-plot from the latest fiction story by Dr. Sant ! And no doubt he is "morally convinced" of its truth !
Mr mark johnson
Sep 12th 2011, 18:33
He does look 'cool and relaxed' though.
Daniela Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 16:53
Dan bis-serjeta'. Lanqas ilhu gimgha li ma harigx dokument tas-CIA li juri kif ir-regim kien ta' ghajnuna lill-MLP fit-tmenijiet ghal attivita jisimha 'Give Peace a Chance', u issa dokument iehor iffirmat minn Ronald Reagan li fl-1986 jesprimi thassib serju dwar kfi il-Gvern Laburista ta dak iz-zmien kien qrib wisq tar-Regim ta' gaddafi. Imbad jigi Sant u jitfa cucata bhal din!
Mark Cassar
Sep 12th 2011, 16:50
Unbelievable, how shallow can Labour go.
Now i sincerely hope that Joseph muscat has the guts to disassociate itself from his former leaders childish allegations.
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 17:39
@ Mark Cassar
As much as the pn has the guts to disassociate itself from any Corruptable!!!!!
Mr M Mamo
Sep 12th 2011, 16:48
Lol Sant keeps showing Malta how incapable of running a country he was/is ... Gaddafi, one of the most critical of the EUropean politics is funded Malta, his friend, to join the West ... u lee
Manuel Camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 16:47
And when was Gaddafi ever in favour of EU? Sant's claim is ridiculous
David Caruana
Sep 12th 2011, 16:46
Unless you enact a PARTY FINANCING LAW, us, the people, can speculate as much as we like on BOTH PN and PL and where they get their money from!
Both parties are GUILTY on this matter!
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 16:57
Mr Caruana, the (M)LP has been pushing for a party financing law for ages. It's the PN which is resisting - for obvious reasons.
J. Schembri
Sep 12th 2011, 17:19
PL has been pushing for public financing of the political parties. Wouldn’t that be another unnecessary tax burden on us poor tax payers and how would one keep away sponsors from bankrolling money to the partie like Gaddafi used to finance the MLP, the new MLP and the PL? Il-ftit mill-hafna is better.
Mr Saviour Scerri
Sep 12th 2011, 17:39
@ V.Laiviera........... M(LP) had two years to pass the party financing law and did nothing...... so stop looking like the idiot of the village in trying to throw mud at the others the only thing you do here and are not succeeding. You have to get it into that thick head of yours that " mud thrown is ground lost" and believe me you are losing ground. Your M(LP) doesn't even inform its members how much money/debt it has let alone inform others from where it got that money.
Alfred Vassallo
Sep 12th 2011, 17:49
@ Tider mahruq wahda sew!!!! Your party has been in power for 24 Years and did they do it? Noooooooooo. So what two years???
Mr Jo Camm
Sep 12th 2011, 16:46
Is this a 'tit for tat'?
AS said 'jidher li...' so, as usual he himself cannot confirm anything.
In a few words I DO NOT BELIEVE WHATEVER ALFRED SANT SAYS (and the PL for that matter).
Mr Julian Borg
Sep 12th 2011, 16:44
Quote from today's edition of TOM -
“The first step, in psychology and in economics, is to admit you have a problem if you want to move on,” Dr Muscat said during a phone-in on One Radio, the party’s station.
The PL denying its past will come home to haunt them. All of Malta knows just how close the MLP and Gaddafi have been until about a week ago. Even their ex PM told the world that there was no problem in Libya a few weeks ago. The least you owe us, Dr Muscat, is to be honest with us.
A. Tabone
Sep 12th 2011, 16:42
Who benefited from Malta's neutrality? Gheddafi. And who would have benefited had we remained alone in the middle of the Mediterranean? Again, Gheddafi.
There were 25 years between 1979 and 2004, but the song remained the same. Back then, the MLP quickly signed a deal with the Italians to protect us from their ex-bedfellow Gheddafi. What would have happened if Labour won, and then the Swiss cheese dreams turned sour? Would the EU have accepted us after all that dilly-dallying? Labour: You just can't make it up.
Richard Borg
Sep 12th 2011, 16:35
Press releases are all good and dandy, however how about filing a libel suit against Dr Sant. These are serious allegations and should be dealt with in ways which go beyond a 'press release'.
P Dimech
Sep 12th 2011, 16:34
Mud slandering, here we go again !!!
Mr Angus Black
Sep 12th 2011, 16:34
Sant must have completely lost it!
Here was Gaddafi madder than mad pressuring Sant to 'freeze' Malta's application to EU membership, which Sant did, no question, and the same Gaddafi funding the NP campaign to join the EU?
Labour elves, please explain.
Mario Micallef
Sep 12th 2011, 16:27
oh my God, I can't believe this!
Mr Charles Spiteri
Sep 12th 2011, 16:52
Att: Mario Micallef
I always voted PN even when I disagreed with their policy as I could not stand Dr. Sant as PM. But funnily enough all his accusations had some form of truth in them. Remember the Mistra issue with JPM? Sant may not have been fully correct but there were substantial elements of truth in what he said. The same applies for 'unexistent' Maltese oil reserves and I beleive that even here there may be some form of truth in what he claims.
Mr Angus Black
Sep 12th 2011, 18:05
@ Charles Spiteri
Re: oil reserves. This one is easily solved - ask Joe Mizzi and he will promptly tell you where they are.
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 16:27
As Jim Hacker (of "Yes.Minister" fame) once said, "In politics, never believe anything until it has been officially denied".
Sant's claim makes a lot of sense. The millions spent on EU propaganda must have come from somewhere.
Mr Julian Borg
Sep 12th 2011, 16:38
I love your logic. Let me see if I follow....
Millions were spent on EU accession campaign
Alfred Sant, ex Leader and President of the MLP when the MLP was so close to Gaddafi that they invited him to their mass meetings alleges (without substantiating - he has never substantiated any of his scandalous claims, partly explaining his 'success' as a fiction writer) that the PN was funded by Gaddafi.
Since Gaddafi has always been cash rich therefore it follows that he funded the PN EU accession campaign.
BRILLLIANT deduction Watson!
Let me try it a different way - using the same logic. The other day a friend of mine declared that he had bought a beautiful mansion worth a couple of million Euros; Donald Trump is a multi millionarie; ergo Donald Trump bought the house for my friend!
The MLP and its followers are just one big joke!
Mr John Said
Sep 12th 2011, 16:51
Int bis serjeta jew? What kind of advantages would gaddafi have benefited off with the joining of Malta in the EU?
The biggest problem of the PL is that its past keeps haunting it!!!!!!
Some people better keep their mouth shut if they want to see the PL in government!
Mr Richard Caruana
Sep 12th 2011, 16:55
Unbelievable!! Of all people Gaddafi would have been the last to finance Malta's EU membership bid!
What does KMB have to say about this..... he would have certainly cut off all links with Gaddafi if it were true! There's no one against Malta's EU membership stronger than KMB and he still adores the ex-Libyan dictator to this day!!
Mr Joe Micallef
Sep 12th 2011, 16:21
Incredible (well not really) ! But what is even more incredible (well also not really) is that Joey has absolutely no control over his (former) leaders.
Mark Scicluna
Sep 12th 2011, 16:47
Neither does Wenzu, remember Eddie and the divorce statements Mr. Micallef?
Mr Victor Laiviera
Sep 12th 2011, 16:54
Former leaders are not that easy to control. Only a few months ago we had Fenech Adami urging our MPs to go against every democratic principle by ignoring the referendum and voting down the Divorce Bill.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 17:55
@Mr Victor Laiviera
And you still did not understand what a NON-BINDING REFERENDUM is!!!
Reuben Abela
Sep 12th 2011, 16:20
it's funny how the labour party is now seeing gaddafi as a monster
Mr Manwel Debattista
Sep 12th 2011, 16:46
And how did the PN see Gaddafi until a few months ago when Gonzi was still negotiating with him? Any idea Mr. Abela?
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Sep 12th 2011, 16:59
@Mr Manwel Debattista
Gonzi was negotiating (like all other countries) for the good of Malta and in a time when Gaddafi was not seen any more as a threat. PL negotiated with him for the good of the party!!! Just showing what are the priorities for PL!!!
Mr Manwel Debattista
Sep 12th 2011, 17:51
Mr. Aquilina you are missing the point.
Let me make it simpler for you and Mr. Abela. Gaddafi (the monster) was the same Gaddafi who Gonzi negotiated with. Now was it right to negotiate with the same person who is now being labelled a monster? It's immaterial whether negotiations are on a party or country level. The point is simple, if Gaddafi was so evil, why negotiate with him in the first place? And why invite him to Malta as well? Why invite a monster to Malta?
frans camilleri
Sep 12th 2011, 18:03
ma nahsibx li il bewsa ta gonzi li ta lill gaddafi kienet ta guda x tahseb reuben
Mr Manwel Debattista
Sep 13th 2011, 15:38
Mr. Abela and Mr. Aquilina I am still waiting for your answer. Your silence so far is unconvincing.