Safi riot not entirely surprising – UNHCR
A migrant stands open-armed after a fire was started at the Safi detention centre during Tuesday’s uprising. Photo: Matthew Mirabelli
It was “not entirely surprising” that migrants detained at the Safi centre reacted in the violent way they did on Tuesday, the UN refugee agency said, still denouncing the incidents.
“Frustration is increasing as several hundred asylum seekers are held behind bars in poor conditions,” a UNHCR spokesman said yesterday, pointing out that the vast majority of those in detention did not become aggressive or violent.
The government’s priority should be to address the conditions at the centre and ensure more acceptable standards, the UNHCR said. Much could be done to improve the situation even without major investments.
But, in the long run, the government should review the existing asylum and migration policies, including the detention system, in light of its decade-long experience dealing with migration.
“In principle, the UNHCR is against the detention of asylum seekers. We do not consider it appropriate for any country to detain all asylum seekers who arrive without documents. Governments do have legitimate reasons to undertake screening and control of people who enter the country but the UNHCR considers that there are alternative ways to address these objectives.”
Both the Nationalist and Labour parties disagree with this stance.
Due to the country’s limited resources and size, a detention policy was “absolutely necessary”, the PN insisted.
“Conditions in detention centres have improved significantly but, of course, more can be done to alleviate the hardships migrants have to face,” a PN spokesman said.
Condemning the violence unreservedly, the spokesman added that violent incidents by migrants cast “an unjust shadow on the absolute majority of migrants in Malta who do not seek violent ways and means to express themselves”.
Labour said it was consistently in favour of the present detention policy and did not think the 18-month period should be reduced.
Condemning the riots, the PL said these were a reminder that “European solidarity is a joke”.
To the government, solidarity meant welcoming people crossing the Mediterranean and keeping them in “appalling conditions”, a party spokesman said. He then pointed to Labour’s “concrete plan” on illegal immigration “which has long identified these issues”.
Alternattiva Demokratika condemned the violence too, adding that focusing only on punishment would not improve the situation. It called for an integration policy and a review of the “inhumane and unsustainable” lengths and conditions of detention. “Six months detention for people who are escaping from war, hardship and suffering is more than enough.”
AD chairman Michael Briguglio said NGOs and the media should have full access to detention centres to help a continuous discussion on detention policy and other immigrant issues.
The Home Affairs and Justice Ministry yesterday refused to allow journalists from The Times to visit the Safi detention centre but said the request would be accepted once the situation returned “to normal”.
Asked whether the ministry was satisfied with the way security personnel handled the riot, a ministry spokesman regretted that a number of persons were injured, adding it was understood that reasonable force was required to control the situation.
Responding to claims by the protesting migrants, the ministry denied any reported cases of attempted suicide. It said doctors working at the centres examined an average of 60 people daily.
Meanwhile, the Agency for the Welfare of Asylum Seekers is working on an educational programme for detainees as done successfully at Ħal Far.
“It is understood that the riot resulted from the disappointment and anger of a number of asylum seekers after their application (for asylum) had been refused,” it said.
During the last week, the office of the Refugee Commissioner concluded 53 cases of which 31 were refusals.
Failed asylum seekers are immediately considered for deportation but this can only happen once the authorities obtain travel documents for them. Sometimes the receiving countries do not cooperate so not all rejected migrants are repatriated during their 18-month maximum detention period.
The General Workers’ Union expressed solidarity with the detention services officers, soldiers and policemen who faced the rioting immigrants, saying their conditions of work must improve. It asked for a meeting with the Home Affairs Ministry to seek solutions, particularly to the fact that detention services officers were locked inside with detained immigrants at their peril.
Besides detention staff, Tuesday’s operation involved 85 army personnel and 120 police officers.
Twenty-three migrants were arrested and arraigned yesterday.
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Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 20th 2011, 11:16
Maltese authorities, take a cue.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8711621/UK-riots-Its-not-about-criminality-and-cuts-its-about-culture...-and-this-is-only-the-beginning.html
UK riots: It’s not about criminality and cuts, it’s about culture... and this is only the beginning
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/266044/We-ll-kick-out-foreign-rioters-to-ease-jails-crisis-vows-Minister
WE'LL KICK OUT FOREIGN RIOTERS TO EASE JAILS CRISIS VOWS MINISTER
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8711623/England-riots-foreign-rioters-will-be-deported.html
England riots: foreign rioters will be deported
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027973/More-150-people-caught-rioting-swept-UK-foreign-nationals-deported.html
More than 150 people caught after rioting swept across UK ‘were foreign nationals and will be deported’
Joe Fenech
Aug 21st 2011, 13:01
Il-Gahan Malti ghalxejn tghidlu...ma jismax!
Mr Charles.C. Brown
Aug 19th 2011, 20:01
in todays e"evening standard" here in london i read that all non british citizens who took part in last weeks riots are to be deported to there counties of origin. MALTA should follow the same path.
angelo cilia
Aug 19th 2011, 18:39
At least now in England the foreign born rioters are to be deported.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23979753-foreign-rioters-to-be-deported-in-tough-stance-on-troublemakers.do
Tim Gauci
Aug 19th 2011, 17:10
Go on Google and search the people who work for UNHCR and you'll learn what politics and ideologies they affiliate with.
Stephen Koludrovic
Aug 18th 2011, 17:21
Is the Home affairs minister in a position,to give the figures, of how many illegal African immigrants have actually ever been repatriated ?
Anna Lindberg
Aug 19th 2011, 13:05
@ at the man from the former Yugoslavia: I can not understand how an immigrant writes against the case of other immigrants..Moreover, a few days ago, right here, you showed that you were unhappy and disappointed as you reported that 'it seems that the Swedish government has to fork out a few million krunas as compensation to 2 Egyptians with Swedish citizenship, for allowing the CIA to spirit them back to Egypt, where they ended up being tortured by the then Egyptian authorities.' And today you are all out writing that you are, again, unhappy, and worried about each Maltese pocket, that Africans (and others from other poor countries) risk their lives, and try to reach European countries for the chance of living a bit better than in their place of birth (some thing that has been a major (or the major) defining feature of human history. Many people did it, are doing it, and will continue doing it....And, today, in many relatively richer countries, you will certainly find many immigrants from the former Yugoslavia....). What are these contradictory views?...apparently you write just to write..with no idea, view or position...
Stephen Koludrovic
Aug 19th 2011, 17:45
@ Anna Lindberg.
It was only three days ago that the Swedish Newspaper Svenska dagbladet reported, that when some 20 Police cars went to the Angered district of Gothenburg, to quell down some problems from the mostly African community that live there, they were greeted with the throwing of petrol bombs.
I do not wish our police to be greeted like how their Swedish counterparts are constantly being treated by these type of people.
Ms Al Gatt
Aug 18th 2011, 17:00
@Stefan Koludrovic
We accepted the Serb refugees during the Balkan wars didn't we?
And when your comments pop up, you don't hear Louise Vella complaining: "What is a Serb doing in Malta? There is no war in Serbia''.
Of course you might not be a refugee, or even a Serb. But since here we generalize on people on basis of skin color, religion, Nationality and even surname, well........I just took my liberties
Stephen Koludrovic
Aug 18th 2011, 17:47
'@ Ms Al Gatt.
From what I understand, it was mostly Bosnians that came during that war.
However after having said that I think that most came with some sort of documents, none rioted, all were grateful, and all returned either back to their homeland or to other countries that accepted them.
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Mr Joe Gatt
Aug 18th 2011, 17:55
Ms Agnes Bezzina
`3) I reiterate ... Malta is NOT 'OURS' ... it was just the country we happened to be born in and which we have a responsibility for throughout our lifetime, and for future generations;`
Same applies to the Illegals, they should go back to the Country they were born in and build it up, not opting for an easy and free lunch at other`s expence.
Unless they prefer to exchange, their Land for Ours. Or rather the land they were born in.
Joe Fenech
Aug 18th 2011, 17:57
Serbs are Europeans! END OF STORY!
Charles Sammut
Aug 18th 2011, 18:09
@ Stephen K...
well said Stephen!!!!
...and the beat goes on...and the beat goes on.......
Joe Fenech
Aug 18th 2011, 18:14
We NEED the eastern Europeans. They are very serious people who will lift us up not pull us down !
Colin Stanley
Aug 18th 2011, 21:50
most were Bosnian muslims, but they never caused any problems. how many Bosnians are there in our prison, and how many Africans are there in our prison? please reply.
Ms Agnes Bezzina
Aug 18th 2011, 16:57
@ S Bonavia
1) Thank you for reading my contribution;
2) I do know what I am saying;
3) Any person legally employed in Malta pays taxes, and not just those who are 'Maltese to the bone' (whatever that may be) ...
@ A Fenech
1) Thank you for reading my contribution;
2) The fact that Maltese people may have been initially rejected when migrating to other countries does not mean that rejecting migrants is right ... it just means that we should know better than to reject others;
3) I reiterate ... Malta is NOT 'OURS' ... it was just the country we happened to be born in and which we have a responsibility for throughout our lifetime, and for future generations;
3) Could you kindly specify who is trying to change your habits, your customs, your beliefs, your traditions, your religion and your culture? The Maltese people in Australia still celebrate festas and eat pastizzi ... no Australian felt that these threatened their habits, their customs ... etc ...
@ S Kuludrovic
I am aware that a vast majority of both Maltese and other EU citizens completely disagree with my views ... that fact makes it all the more pertinent for me to say them ...
Colin Stanley
Aug 18th 2011, 21:59
when the Maltese left they were LEGAL immigrants, and according to you were rejected, I wonder what would have happened ,had they been ILLEGAL immigrants.?
DR EMMANUEL BEZZINA,MA,MAG.JUR.[EU Law],LL.D.,
Aug 18th 2011, 15:49
vide IL-PARLAMENT TAL-POPLU on SMASH-tv today, between 19.30 - 20.30, and air your comments live: SMASH.
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Joe Fenech
Aug 18th 2011, 16:58
Dr Bezzina
How long is the commedia (non molta divina) going to carry on for? It should be the Maltese people who should be rebelling.
I live abroad so it's difficult for me to phone.
1)
I'll tell you one thing. I had nieces in Malta. A couple of years ago, before Malta joined in the EU, in order for Maltese student to go and study in another European country, they needed a VISA, they needed to produce money for the whole year before the university year, together with proof of lodging, proof of university attendance and enrolment; examination marks, etc, etc.
2)
Africa's problems are for the Africans to solve. Europe solves its own problems so does Asia. What is happening is that Africa has relied on help for far too long and has become unable to fend. Imagine you have a kid who you molly-cuddle. When he's a grown up he'll be unable to cope. This is the same thing.
Send them all away and let them fend for themselves. There are no short cuts in history. If up till now the Africans have lived in a very basic way, they can't expect to become modern overnight. This is not a qualitative judgement: it's a matter of different life styles and cultures. If you change route, you need time for that change to happen.
Could you please say all this on my behalf?
Wilfred Camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 15:31
As usual, the UNHRC is all talk but no action! Why isn't the UNHRC tackling the problem at the source not when these (mostly) illegal immigrants arrive on the shores of European countries? Why doesn't the UNHRC give Malta the money to build better accommodations for the illegal immigrants that are in Malta? Perhaps the UNHRC can convince extremely rich Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to donate a few million Euros to build housing for their Muslim brethren! After all the riches of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates come from the pockets of Christians who buy their oil!
Ms Agnes Bezzina
Aug 18th 2011, 15:24
For those readers who think that they have some sacrosanct right over the Maltese islands, may I remind them that they did absolutely nothing to determine their place of birth ... just as the people who are dying because of famine, war, torture, could not predetermine where they are born, and how much suffering they will endure. So, for goodness sake, stop speaking as though Malta is 'yours'! It is so sad to see this 'us' and 'them' mentality ... this is about 'us' human beings! No one of us should be at peace knowing that other human beings are suffering, whatever that suffering may be. Most negative commentators try to appease their conscience by claiming that most migrants are 'just economic migrants'. Apart from the fact that this is not the case, what cheek does any Maltese person have to speak like that when SO MANY Maltese people have gone abroad to Australia, US, Canada, New Zealand, and many a European country, and were given the opportunity to do well for themselves?! Why is it OK for us to do it, but not for others?
NO ... our country is not 'ours' ... we just happened to be lucky enough to be born in it! And we should be thankful for this by reaching out to others who were not half as lucky as us, and not by selfishly defending our comfort-zone under the pretense that we are defending our country's identity, whatever that may be!
S. BONAVIA
Aug 18th 2011, 15:39
You do not know what you are saying,the Maltese were never ILLEGAL anywhere,and yes I am maltese to the bone since I pay every cent for taxes.
Mr ALBERT FENECH
Aug 18th 2011, 15:59
Ms Bezzina, many of your points are dangerously flawed. To begin with, Maltese migrants to Australia were initially NOT WELCOME and were even herded and put in "detention" centres until the matter was sorted out. After that they were made welcome everywhere because the Maltese accepted the mainstream basis of their adopted country and integrated with the population. They did not try to change or remove local customs - they accepted them and privately kept their own religion and customs. Additionally, you are also wrong because yes, Malta is "OURS" and has developed through our many hundreds of years of ancestral heritage which made it our home. Anybody is welcome to my home, but please DO NOT try and re-arrange my furniture, my habits, my customs, my beliefs, my traditions, my religion and my culture. It's as simple as that really. The Maltese in the countries you mentioned became a PART of that country, not a separate sect within that country. It's not a question of COLOUR - it's a question of MENTALITY and VALUES.
ALBERT FENECH
Qawra.
Stephen Koludrovic
Aug 18th 2011, 16:04
@ Agnes Bezzina,
Unfortunately, It seems that a vast majority of both Maltese and other EU citizens completely disagree with your views.
Mr Zachary Stewart
Aug 18th 2011, 16:06
Actually you're wrong S. Bonavia. There are PLENTY of Maltese illegal immigrants in my country. I have known several of them. When you point your finger, you have three pointing back at you.
S. BONAVIA
Aug 18th 2011, 16:31
@mr Stewart can you please tell us where is your country and what I was referring to was when the Maltese migrated to Australia ,canada,USA,and so on in the 50's,thanks
Joe Fenech
Aug 18th 2011, 18:19
Mr Fenech
How could one compare the Maltese in Australia with these? The Maltese went to Australia LEGALLY, and worked very hard. They flourished and contributed.
patrick atkins
Aug 18th 2011, 19:11
MALTESE IMMIGRANTS WERE NOT ILLEGAL. I SAY WE SHOULD HELP THEM ON ONE CONDITION, IF THEY USE VIOLENCE WE SHOULD AND WOULD SEND THEM BACK HOME RIGHT AWAY. NO MATTER WHAT!!!!
Dominic Cefai
Aug 18th 2011, 23:08
Hi I am an Australian born Maltese, and boy , am I proud to say that I am Maltese
YES ms Bezzina MALTA IS YOURS , the maltese have defended this island for centuries , they are very brave and they have the right to say , MALTA IS OURS .
But like so many other nations Malta has an obligation to share its culture and beauty with humans that are less fortunate but your Government must tread very carefully because these people will not contribute , they will only take , they will not respect MALTA like they respect there own country, they never will . YOU can not compare THE MALTESE THE GREEKS AND THE ITALIANS THAT LEGALY MIGRATED TO AUSTRALIA WITH THESE PEOPLE ,
If it was not for the Maltese the Greeks , Italians ,and so on,, AUSTRALIA would still have kangaroos running around over the harbour bridge , they built this nation and with blood and guts and gave it it's most succesful buisnessmen , They were not refugees that were immigrants and they built this country , they gave and they did not take. THANKS
Mr Michael Adamek
Aug 19th 2011, 03:04
When the Maltese(and Italian and Greek) immigrants came to Australa a couple of generations ago they were used by the Australians as cheap labour and were called derogatory names such as wogs etc(my wife is the child of a Maltese immigrant who came to Australia in the eraly 50's)
These people did not riot or demand all sorts of benefits that even locals don't get-they rolled up their sleeves and got to work. Now many are prosperous land owners and farmers and are a part of the community. Compare this with Muslem immigrants who still have 80-90 percent unemployed and are so into crime that we have a "Middle Eastern Crime Police Unit"
Mrs Connie Deguara
Aug 20th 2011, 05:29
Sorry I have been living overseas for 50years,and I still calll Malta home. We were legal migrants,with medical check and sponsership,so we will not be a drain on the taxpayers. Being sponsered we could not claim anything from the goverment for 2 years so we all had to go to work.
E. Azzopardi
Aug 18th 2011, 15:12
We are getting a lot of surprises lately, though!!!
Mr Leonard Griscti
Aug 18th 2011, 13:42
Can the UNHCR elighten us by espousing what other options it considers acceptable besides detention? Or is it simply engaged in an exercise of finger pointing and destructive criticism?
J Degabriele
Aug 18th 2011, 16:47
Actually they have enlightened us.
“In principle, the UNHCR is against the detention of asylum seekers. We do not consider it appropriate for any country to detain all asylum seekers who arrive without documents."
So whoever drifts onto our shores is to be allowed to roam free without any documents whatsover. While some of us Maltese cannot even get on a bus without showing our ID!!
Joseph Grech Attard
Aug 18th 2011, 13:37
Kif nistghu ahna, fl-istess hin li nikkundannaw lis-Syria, lil Gaddafi, etc, imbaghad niggustifikaw il-mod kif ahna stess nitkellmu u nitrattaw lil dawn in-nies hekk imlaqqma klandestini? Meta ha nitghallmu ma nkunux aktar ipokriti? Gurdien zghir jibza' minnek, izda jekk iggibu f'rokna jipprova jaqbez fuqek ha jiddefendi ruhu. Ahseb u ara bniedem, hu min hu, mahluq xbiha t'Alla? Mela nsejna kemm minna, fi zmien mhux imbieghed, ghamilna l-istess u dhalna klandistinament, f'pajjizi ohra, specjalment fl-ingilterra? U konna, u forsi ghadna, immexxu t-traffiku iswed gewwa Londra? Ghaliex, flok nikkundannaw, ma narawx kif veru wiehed jista' jghinhom f'din id-dilemma taghhom? Izda dan irid isir mill-qalb u mhux bil-paroli u biex nidhru li qed naghmlu xi haga!! It-Tunezija laqghet aktar minn 150 elf refugjat mil Libya u n-nies il-fqar fethulhom darhom u tawhom x'jieklu, minghajr hadd ma saqsihom biex jaghmlu dan! Possibbli il-Msulmani kapaci jaghmluha u l-Insara le??
Rod Enderby
Aug 18th 2011, 12:52
The UNCHR should be told that if they don't like it, they are welcome to come and collect these people and take them somewhere else.
Mr John Azzopoardi
Aug 18th 2011, 12:11
UNCHR has never done anything or says anything in favor of what Malta is doing for all these illegal migrants. Why doesn't the UNCHR talk about and address issues in Libya, syria and the massive famine in Ethiopia and Somalia.
Ms Louise Vella
Aug 18th 2011, 12:00
During its decade long experience in Malta, UNHCR has taken a consistently anti-Maltese stand by promoting the interests of illegal immigrants who in most cases are NOT refugees. The Refugee Commissioner and the Appeals Board have to face the persistent lies and false documentation presented by asylum applicants. Has UNHCR ever tried to stop the systematic abuse of the asylum system by the illegal immigrants it defends? UNHCR is responsible for refugees. It has no business telling the elected government of Malta what migration policy it should follow. Has UNHCR ever told the boat people not to take the risk of drowning by boarding overcrowded and unseaworthy boats? UNHCR does not deserve to be heard because of its shameful bias against Malta.
M. Mifsud
Aug 18th 2011, 15:34
@Ms Vella,
Oh you're also interested in migration issues as well. Good to know that! I thought that all you were interested in was to attack the Roman Catholic Church and its hierarchy.
Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 11:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14500869
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/08/12/2011-08-12_man_who_fatally_stabbed_loan_shark_over_40_then_inadvertently_killed_girl_13_cla.html
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J Degabriele
Aug 18th 2011, 11:41
“It is understood that the riot resulted from the disappointment and anger of a number of asylum seekers after their application (for asylum) had been refused,”
So it wasn't just the detention and the conditions. They became so angry and violent once they got to know that their application for asylum was refused and I assume for good reasons!
Joseph Cauchi
Aug 18th 2011, 11:38
Gieli xi hadd li qed jikteb hawn kellem lil dawn in-nies? Gieli xi hadd li qed jikteb hawn prova jifhem minn xiex dawn in-nies jghaddu u ghadhom ghaddejjin?
Nahseb li ir-risposti huma le. Hekk jogobkom ahsbu qabel tiktbu dawn l-affarijiet fl-ahhar minn l-ahhar ma nies qed nittrattaw.
Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 11:58
Joseph Cauchi , dawn qed jinvadu pajjiżna u għandna dritt niddefendu pajjiżna u lilna nfusna.
Min ikun niex ma jagħmlix dawn l-affarijiet.
patrick atkins
Aug 18th 2011, 19:22
SUR CAUCHI GIELI XI HADD KELLEM LIS SULDATI LI GEW IMSAWTA ,IMWADDBA T-TARAG GHAL L-ISFEL ,GEW ISSUTTATI BID DRENAGG , GEW ISSUTTATI BL-IKEL U SAHANSITRA MISHUN.JIEN NGHID LI GHANDNA NGHINNUHOM MELA LE. IMMA META JAGHMLU XI HAGA BHAL TAL BIERAH GHANDNA U NERGA NGHID GHANDNA NIBUTUHOM LURA JEKK JISTA JKUN DIK IL GURNATA STESS.TKUN XI TKUN IC CIRKUSTANZA.
Mr Charles Zammit
Aug 18th 2011, 11:31
I am Maltese born , unfortunately due to unseen circumstances I ended without a Maltese passport I returend to Malta in 1979 and was not given either a work permit or a visa for longer than 3 months .As having a British passport did not entitle me to nothing . This went on for 8 years till in 1987 when the law was changed and I got given my Maltese citizenship back . During all that time I was not helped financially or otherwise , I was not even given childrens allowance , now why should I pay for these people . Send them back where they came from .
Ms Al Gatt
Aug 18th 2011, 11:17
It's easy to comment from your armchairs. The UNHCR on the other hand are the people on the field, not only at
Safi, but Mogadishu, Tripoli and Darfur.
Their sterling work is recognized by most governments in the world, except for those with huge chips on their shoulders like the Gaddafi regime.
About those claiming that the migrants want a 5 star hotel, they have no idea what they are talking about. The migrants that were violent and are now in CCF find themselves in better conditions than detention. And this is were we put our rapists, thieves and murderers, not people who just crossed a border illegally.
Mr M Farrugia
Aug 18th 2011, 11:51
@Gatt dawn qed jinzammu fil-habs mhux ghax qasmu illegalment imma ghax kisru u fakru u taw in-nr ic-centru fejn jinsabu, ghax ma obdewx l-ordnijiet moghtija lilhom, ghax attakkaw lil-pulizija u s-suldati, ghax tefaw ilma tad-drainge lejn l-ufficjali tal-kamp u hafna affarijeit ohra. Nistaqsi sur Gatt jekk lilek xi hadd jitfalek l-ilma tad-drainage u likwidi perikoluzi x'taghmel tghidlu sabiex jitfalek iehor? Hallina Habib u kun verament Malti u rrispetta lil min huwa Malti bhalek l-ewwel. Il-Malti dejjem offra ospitalita imma kollox ghandu l-limiti tieghu.
Ms Marthese Vella
Aug 18th 2011, 12:20
Mr Farrugia, seems you misunderstood her (Ms implies female) comment completely. It is the people in detention (for crossing a border) who are worse off NOT those who rioted who are in a better condition at CCF.
Ms Al Gatt
Aug 18th 2011, 13:13
Mr. Farrugia, I prefer to think of a real Maltese person as someone who respects others, irrespective of whichever country they came from and with more empathy towards people who are not as lucky as we are.
malcolm riggs
Aug 18th 2011, 10:27
To say they come from war torn county is rubbish. They entered Libia of their own accord to get to a Euro state. We know what shore they came from send them back. After a while they might stop coming thus stopping the people smugglers so rich. Most of them are Muslims and have a dislike of christians. So why come to a christian country ? When it come to excepting the immigrants no matter what aggreement have been made it is every country for itself. The largest country win. Were does poor Malta stand. without a hope I am afraid..
Marianne Tabone
Aug 18th 2011, 10:20
Jien nixtieq nghid haga wahda. Kif jista' jkun li numru kbir ta' bnedmin jghixu f'post fejn m'hemmx attivitajiet biex jghunuhom jghaddu l-gurnata? Ma nistghagibx li jhossu frustrazzjoni dawn in-nies. Nikkundanna l-atti vjolenti li ghamlu imma fl-istess hin jista' jkun li jinghataw xi kwalita ta' xoghol anke forsi fl-istess post fejn jghixu? jekk dawn isibu ruhhom ghal sieghat shah ma jaghmlu xejn bil-fors jinqala' l-inkwiet sewwa bejniethom stess u anke ma' dawk li huma nkarigati li jghassuhom! Dawn sa fejn naf jien mhumiex kriminali - qeghda nghid ghall-maggoranza mhux ghal dawk li kissru u harqu l-kwartieri taghhom. Sa fejn naf jien skont il-ligi kulhadd meqjus innocenti sakemm ikun ippruvat li hu hati!!
R Zammit
Aug 18th 2011, 10:15
Talk talk and just talk and no action by the UNHCR. They should support countries like Malta, Italy, Greece and spain facing these hardships rather than just complain. The UN doesn't even assist boats in need of help whilst crossing the med. UN & UNHCR are a joke to me.
Mr M Farrugia
Aug 18th 2011, 11:40
Naqbel mieghek mija fil-mija l-UNHCR mhux qed taghti appogg lil pajjizi tal-mediterrean u koll ma qeda taghmel hija li tlabla biss. Il-mod kif qeda taggixi l-UNHCR qed tohloq hafna dubji fost il-Maltin li qed jirriagixu b;kumment kontra l-emigranti illegali minkejja li ahna il-Maltin mhux poplu razzista. UNHCR qumu mir-raghda u l-idejat immuffati li ghandkom f'mohhkom u ghamlu xi haga qabel ikun tard wisq. Il-Gvern Malti ghandu l-limiti tieghu, ma jista ikompli jabbi lil poplu malti bit-taxxi sabiex ipaxxi li dawn in-nies li dejjem isib l-appogg tal-UNHCR li ma trid taghmel xejn ghal dawn in-nies hlief tlablab fil-vojt. X'tippretendi l-UNHCR dawn ikisru u ifarku u l-poplu Malti ihallas. Komplu ghatuhom ir-rih
Ms Maria Vella
Aug 18th 2011, 10:11
It is very easy for the UNHCR to comment about this but rather than just commenting perhaps it should dip its hands into its pockets and support countries who are burdened with these people.
I am not saying that the situation is easy for them but what do they expect a 5 star hotel? Such legalities take time to be processed and Malta is doing the best it can under the circumstances.
Perhaps if these rioters did the same thing in their country, in larger numbers, then the situation might start to improve
Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 11:40
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027223/Migrant-jobs-boom-Were-chance-saloon-claims-Iain-Duncan-Smith.html
Migrant jobs boom: We're in last chance saloon, claims Iain Duncan Smith
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/265665
MIGRANTS ROB YOUNG BRITONS OF JOBS
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/263088/263088
TOO MANY MIGRANTS SAY 71% OF BRITS
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/265479/Your-1bn-a-year-bill-for-migrants-homes/
YOUR £1BN A YEAR BILL FOR MIGRANTS’ HOMES
B Attard
Aug 18th 2011, 10:09
Come on UNCHR you are most welcome to take them wherever you like. It's very easy to critisize but difficult to handle such situation. That's the help we get from these groups like UNCHR.
Eric Camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 10:09
UNHCR can say what it wants for all I care. What I know for fact is that a number of AFM and Police personnel where injured with boiling water purposely mixed with bleach. This was prepared beforehand by these immigrants in an act of cowardly ambush against the anti riot team.
Carmel Zammit
Aug 18th 2011, 10:04
Its high time the UNHCR moves from pointing fingers to assuming responsibility of illegal immigrants. It could then also provide its guests with all the facilities it considers right and adequate. And yes why not it could also initiate negotiations with other nations to settle its guests there. Nothing stops UNHCR from assuming its responsibilities.
M Tonna
Aug 18th 2011, 09:50
Very nice indeed, they make so much damage and the UNHCR expects the authorities to let them loose, as if we don't have enough trouble makers loafing around.
If I go to some foreign country and do what they did, I'm dead certain the UNHCR won't tell them to let me loose.
Send them back where they came from, they didn't want to come to Malta in the first place so why keep them here! A packed lunch and some spending money will sure move them out!!
James Aquilina
Aug 18th 2011, 09:47
True, Detaining Illegal Immigrants for 18 months is way too long, They should be sent back as we cannot support them..
Claire Busuttil
Aug 18th 2011, 10:11
100% correct
L. Vella
Aug 18th 2011, 09:36
What if Malta was a war torn country and us Maltese needed to escape for safe haven, what would you say then?
Claire Busuttil
Aug 18th 2011, 10:11
when in Malta there were a lot of problems, our fathers stayed here and defended the island!!
Mr Neville A Cassar
Aug 18th 2011, 10:26
Malta Population: 414,971
Africa Population: 1,022,234,000
Whilst I agree that protection must be there for innocent persecuted immigrants.... I dont agree that Malta is going to solve the African problems on its own !
How many should Malta take in? 1% of the African population? And how are you going to choose this 1% ? Are you going to discriminate to selectively choose those 1%?
The EU is happy that there is turmoil in Africa..... businesses makes money when there is disagreement. In times of peace and well being, the EU doesnt make money off these unfortunate people.
So dont give me excuses that Africa is war torn! If the EU really wanted to help the african people.... it would freeze all assets of their ruling dictators..... and seriously act to give the people proper democratic elections... and not elections to democratically elect those leaders involved in their money - for - food scams.
Lets not forget.... for every illegal immigrant in Malta..... some Trafficer Co. Ltd. made 1000Dollars for his transit ticket. This is a business for them ! They are not doing it out of empathy ... they do it for the $$$.
Joseph Borg
Aug 18th 2011, 10:29
and to add with your comment Claire....when they decided to leave they did so LEGALY and WITH DOCUMENTS!
Ms D Galea
Aug 18th 2011, 10:43
@LVELLA................dont they teach you Maltese history in school nowadays? Ever heard of the great seige and world war two?
George Azzopardi
Aug 18th 2011, 10:47
Mr.Vella, I'm sure you are not realizing that the commision refused the rights for refugies for these people , meaning that they did not come from war torn countries as you are undermining. I believe that you are also no understanding the fact that many of these have torn and thrown away there identification documents so as to hide this fact.
Furthermore, I'm pretty sure that although most of the statements and comments in this and similar blogs seem to give the racial impression for us Maltese, this is in fact not true. Most of us are just realizing the fact that we are small, with limited resources and having our own problems to solve and this is making it much more difficult to accept this exodus of people crossing borders just because they are not making it right in their own country. Unfortunately there are others who are trying to be more popular by flying aways heroic comments.
Andrea Camillieri
Aug 18th 2011, 11:11
For those suggesting that immigrants should apply for legal documents: I suggest you act as an immigrant or even a tourist and try apply for a Schengen visa at the Maltese embassy or consulate. You WILL be surprised by the treatment and HUMILIATION you receive! I have had friends that went through that and have to say I was embarrassed myself!!!
Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 11:31
L. Vella they have the whole vast continent of Africa where to go not come to tiny overpopulated Malta.
Malta population last count was more than 452,000 on this tiny overpopulated speck.
We are FULL UP.
R Zammit
Aug 18th 2011, 17:01
@Tony Camilleri - That is a very interesting point you bring up here. In my view it 'proves' and encapsulates all the issue. For Sub-Saharans to come to the med, they have to cross from different countries. I am sure that the countries they go through are not all "war-torn"..and these same people make the conscious decision to step on a boat from Libya (which was had no conflicts a few months ago - yet the problem still existed) to come to Europe (whether Malta or not). This, therefore, makes them Economic (Illegal) Migrants i.e. they are not escaping war, but are migrating for money.
j camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 09:34
If they don't obey our country rules might as well they'll go back where they came from. For sure we don't behave like that if we re in their countries ! Send them back.
Matt Azzopardi
Aug 18th 2011, 09:21
allow me to suggest that the UNHCR take up all the expenses required for these camps an damags too.
I will be much more relieved that they are not being taken from my taxes!
If this will be the case, I will still not have any faith in UNHCR......................... grow up!!
Mr Graham Holme
Aug 18th 2011, 09:05
Put them in 4 star hotels,they would riot,demand 5 star accommodation.
What ever the situation,they demand more and more
Joseph Borg
Aug 18th 2011, 08:53
“In principle, the UNHCR is against the detention of asylum seekers. We do not consider it appropriate for any country to detain all asylum seekers who arrive without documents.
dawn bis serjeta jew! Mela allura nhallu lill kulhadd diehel kazin go pajjizna minghajr ma nafu x hinuma u x mumhiex!
UNHCR complete joke!
Ms Louise Vella
Aug 18th 2011, 08:49
UNHCR has made a terrible mistake in Malta by treating us like some UNHCR colony ready to obey its orders and willing to let UNHCR bully us. UNHCR has lost its credibility. It will have to work very very hard to regain it.
Ms Marthese Vella
Aug 18th 2011, 09:59
If you read more and commented less you would have realized that the UNHCR work in a lot of countries, some of which are the most dangerous on earth.
Without the UNHCR we would still have refugees, a lot more in fact
"UNHCR has lost its credibility. It will have to work very very hard to regain it."
The UNHCR have the credibility of practically every democratically elected government in the world. I'm sure they don't really care about being credible to a misinformed online commentator.
Ms B Cassar
Aug 18th 2011, 12:13
Ma jaqbilx ghal widnejk hux Marthese?
Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 20th 2011, 11:22
Both UNHCR and the local do-gooders have lost their credibility with us.
E. Azzopardi
Aug 18th 2011, 08:49
We do our best according to our means and bent over backwards to help these "illegal immigrants" ( not irregular) and we are critisized left right and centre. And we take it without even protesting. We need to really shake ourselves and wake up. Other countries are much tougher against all this abuse. I truly believe that the time has come to take drastic action once the EU does not want to take it itself.
Mr Paul Borg
Aug 18th 2011, 08:46
Their being here illegally does not justify any racism. Did any of us have a say on where to be born?
U. D'Amico
Aug 18th 2011, 09:30
no,. but we always had to answer when we traveled anywere in the world, including indicating our orgin.
Mr Joe Gatt
Aug 18th 2011, 10:54
David Caruana
`Teach them the local language, allow them to subscribe to the free ETC courses and most importantly make sure that their children receive an education which isn't any different from that given to Maltese children.`
Why not keep the intellectual here, rather than letting other Countries filter away the Cream? We are left to deal with the sponges. Other Countries know what is the best and most cost effective options, so they do not ever consider taking Sponges. Why should we invest in these Illegal`s future and not our own?
The quicker they stop being called "immigrants" and start being considered as locals, the better it would be for everyone `
These Illegal Imigrants will not be considered `Locals` by the Majority the Maltese, that is the way it is, they may only happen if they accept our way of life, our culture and not Vice Versa, it is apparent that most of them do not take this option. Such issues cannot be rammed down our throat.
Most beleive that will not happen, all you need to do is look elsewhere and see the result.
Mr Joe Gatt
Aug 18th 2011, 14:09
David Caruana
` allow them to subscribe to the free ETC courses `
If you really think that there`s anything in life that`s FREE, then, Pls. Wake up, get real.
In The REAL World. Everything has a price, including Democracy and Progress.
Unfortunately, Shortcuts `In Real Life` are Far and Wide in Between.
David Caruana
Aug 18th 2011, 08:40
Offshore processing of immigrants and quick integration of the genuine asylum seekers would be the best solution.
Teach them the local language, allow them to subscribe to the free ETC courses and most importantly make sure that their children receive an education which isn't any different from that given to Maltese children.
The quicker they stop being called "immigrants" and start being considered as locals, the better it would be for everyone
U. D'Amico
Aug 18th 2011, 09:31
they are not "immigrants" they are " ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"
Mr Charles Mizzi
Aug 18th 2011, 09:35
This is a joke?
Mr Chris Mifsud
Aug 18th 2011, 10:36
Why don't we hold a referendum with a question like "Do you agree that illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in Malta, receive free education and be considered as a local?" YES or NO and see what the general public has to say about it?
David Caruana
Aug 18th 2011, 11:28
@ Chris Mifsud
Why not do a referendum about slavery once we're at it?
Referendums should not be held on people's basic rights. It was a mistake to do one for divorce and it would be worse to do one about immigration.
@U. D'Amico
No they are not illegal immigrants. A person cannot be "illegal" - his or her actions might be but to call a person "illegal" is wrong.
@ Charles Mizzi
Is this a joke? No it isn't. If people need help (and I'm referring to the asylum seekers) we are bound by international laws to give them help. If they're here to stay, the quicker their integration, the quicker they will start contributing with their taxes. If you look at the Maltese surnames, it won't be too hard to understand that at one point or another we (our forefathers) have been immigrants on this land. If everyone had to be of your same opinion, most of us wouldn't even be here.
@ all the haters
Karma gets back to everyone. I hope nothing ever happens to our beloved island which would force us to leave to find refuge in other lands. I really hope not as we would probably receive the same attitude we are giving to the asylum seekers.
U. D'Amico
Aug 18th 2011, 11:55
@David Caruana
call it what you want, they came here in illegal ways and so they should be detained. fullstop.
i want to see you get into any country the same way these people did, and see what would happen.. try the US, australia, or any of the countries these people came from. you wouldnt even make it to shore.!
David Caruana
Aug 18th 2011, 12:22
In Australia they have offshore processing of asylum seekers, just like I suggested. Once they have been "processed" (what an ugly word to use for human beings) they would not need an 18-month detention.
Mr Chris Mifsud
Aug 18th 2011, 16:31
They are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants. Their request for humanitarian protection or refuge status was denied. They entered Malta illegally with no visas or documentation. That makes them ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. They should have been deported as soon as their application was denied.
Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 20th 2011, 11:24
David Caruana yes and they are all sent back.
Mr Paul Borg
Aug 18th 2011, 08:37
I agree, and it beats paying three times as much for the crossing with the danger of being washed overboard. There are so many other countries they can got to, especially by taking a short trip into South Africa, which is connected to the whole world
Ms B Cassar
Aug 18th 2011, 08:36
The moment that the UNHR begins safeguarding our rights too as maltese population who have fought, paid and built this country, will be the moment that maybe I will accept to hear any of its rubbish.
Tony Borg
Aug 18th 2011, 08:29
Most of these migrants are social subjects because when they were offered a cash handout to return back they did take it and headed back home. UNHCR should have a look at other centers in allover Europe where all Med countries have adopted the detention center policy just like us. We did not invent the wheel this time. Why should our country invest in these centers when in a spur of a moment they will be reduced to smithereens by the migrants themselves. Obviously they do not appreciate out efforts so they do not deserve any better.
Louis Gialanze
Aug 18th 2011, 08:18
Alternativa Demokratika is so much detached from reality as to believe that a small densely populated island like Malta, scarce on water resources, can ever integrate the large number of aliens sometime in the near future. The absolute majority of the population think otherwise and repatriation is on everyone's lips. No wonder the Liberal Leftists did so dismally in the last European Parliamentary elections.
Mr carlos ellul
Aug 18th 2011, 08:18
I am sure that the UN has a lot to teach us on this regard
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/may/09/20060509-090826-9806r/
Victor Vella
Aug 18th 2011, 08:17
UNHCR you are a joke.what si the United Nations doing in the countries where these poor souls come from?Where is the money given by western nations top help Africa really going?You know as much as I do that this money is being used to purchase arms and weapons and you do nothing about it.These countries are rich in resources, help them use those resources and govern the income properly,There is one thing I will say, once they get to know how much we need thier resources they would threaten us with them both physically and economically.so please do not expect us to feel any remorse.Teach them and send them back.I am not in favour of leaving them on thier boats come what may, it is our duty to help them even if they set out on perilous journey willingly,but for the love of God , country and our kids , send the ones coming from countries where there is no threat back.
Patrick Sacco
Aug 18th 2011, 08:16
If the illegal immigrants want to be treated like tourists they should come like tourists, with a flight ticket and the required documents!
Shame on you UNHCR!
Alex Falzon
Aug 18th 2011, 08:16
It is about time that worldwide authorities address African governments to stabilize their countries and reduce the misery on these individuals we so call them 'migrants'. I do not agree that we Maltese citizens or other EU countries ignore these people - but there is a limit to everything. Malta and Lampedusa are the most hit by these matters and no one was decent enough to step up their efforts to find solutions.
FRANS H SAID
Aug 18th 2011, 07:48
How do the standards compare with those back home in their own countries?
How do they compare with those in Italy and other European countries when these silly individuals move into ghettos to be misused by the "lords" who work them to the bone.
Wake up UNHCR and find out the whole picture. These poor individuals are being misled, promised heaven when in fact they move into a worse hell thajn back in theior previous home.
Anna Lindberg
Aug 18th 2011, 08:25
You need to be an expert to speak with authority....may someone kindly ask you what is the source of your expertise on all those issues surrounding a vast, complex and multifaceted phenomenon like migration including immigration, across many countries and regions,,?
Jeremy Azzopardi
Aug 18th 2011, 08:44
Well said. The immigrants themselves are victims of a much larger problem, just as Malta is a victim of the same problem.
Charlie Borg
Aug 18th 2011, 10:09
@ Anna Lindberg: I have often asked the same question from FRANS H. SAID but never got a tangible answer.
Joseph Farrugia
Aug 18th 2011, 10:47
@Charlie Borg & Anna Lindberg:
if you have been sleeping during the last decade & refuse to do your homework, please comment less & read more.
The issues outined by Mr. Said have been documented to death on the major (read: serious) international media; there are countless sources on the web to study. Google is your friend, do your homework.
Mr Tony Camilleri
Aug 18th 2011, 12:53
Anna Lindberg http://www.cnimalta.org/ilE.html