Autumn hunting season dates announced

Mr Mark Cutajar

Aug 17th 2011, 12:34

If you can live with the social rejection & resentment you currently enjoy then go ahead & kill to your heart's content.

Stefan Micallef

Aug 17th 2011, 14:05

Sure Sure,social rejection?Stop living in your stupid dream world,most people don't give a damn about the enviorment,and we hunters are much more concerned on it then them,but who cares what you say,you can only bluff and speak non-sence.As if being rejected by a couple dozen 'people' is a disaster.I reject people like you my self.

Mr Charles Grima

Aug 18th 2011, 07:53

Rejected by a 'DOZEN PEOPLE'? Are you mad?

A vast majority of Malta hate what you do!

Thankfully, looking round in classes, one can tell that most children abhor hunting (abhor = ma jahmlux!)

Your way is the way of the dodo...

Forsi mhux jien, jew it-tfal tieghi (illum zaghzagh), imma forsi taghhom jghidu, kos hux, 'kemm kien hawn nies bla sens, joqtlu l-ghasafar ghal gost'

M. Cardona

Aug 17th 2011, 13:49

If bias is you concern, mine is whether camping is really your qualm!

Twanny Scerri

Aug 17th 2011, 18:04

Yes, that is my concern. From your answer, I would assume that hunting is your main hobby, mine is camping. Can you please let me know if I can SHARE the public land? Is it too much to ask?..all I want is to use public land same as other tax payers do. Do you have any qualms about that?

Mr Johnny Xerri

Aug 17th 2011, 18:26

Twanny Scerri, maybe you should tr;y; Kennedy Groove, or Buskett, or Chadwich Lakes, or Comino or any other place that is off limits to hunters...

Places like Mellieha natura 2000 also come to mind...especially since it is not far away from L Ahrax

You could also rent land like hunters do.

Moreover, why not protest against the illegal occupied land @ Armier, Gnejna, and Salina?

Why is it only hunter ocupied land that you are against?

Unbaised answer...how about sharing...you yourself said that for 5 months you will be without L Ahrax...aren't you satisfied that hunters are keeping this area in top condition so that they enjoy it for 5 months...while you can enjoy it for 7 months scotch free?

Twanny Scerri

Aug 19th 2011, 11:38

@Johnny Xerri
Did you read my comment correctly?....hint..there is the word 'share' written in caps. As to the places mentioned like Armier etc, we have objected not once,twice or three times but it seems that some citizens are more equal than others. As to the alternative camping areas, sadly most of them are off limits. Cannot fathom why as we never cause damage. maybe because it's free so it's a no no? Your guess is as good as mine.

Mr Johnny Xerri

Aug 21st 2011, 08:22

So what do you expect...?

The govt blocks you from other places...and we are to give up L Ahrax....I'm sorry but we cannot hunt in Buskett, Kennedy Groove, Ta Qali....and the remaining 40 no hunting zones, plus 50m from main roads and 200m from habitated areas....

Fight for these areas....but do not expect us to give up more areas.

Live with it for 5 months...just like we live with the 40 plus no hunting zones for 5 months

D Borg

Aug 17th 2011, 09:52

'.....It is imperative that we record in the carnet de chasse the actual birds caught with no plus or minuses.'

a few months ago someone was encourgaging hunters to refrain from killing - or to be more exact from reporting the killing of quails and t-doves in Autumn - so that they can be 'allocated' by government higher number of birds to kill in Spring. After all hunters are allowed to kill other birds apart from qualis+t-doves in Autumn - Winter.

guess the term 'birds caught' rather than 'sighted' does the trick.

Ryan Agius

Aug 17th 2011, 09:32

I think you are still sleeping Mr. McKing because all europe permits hunting and with better ways for sure than here in Malta just shut up sir or else try to learn things well before you just try to say silly statements

M. Cardona

Aug 17th 2011, 13:55

Mr McKing,

can you please quote which EU regulations are being ignored?

Mr Johnny Xerri

Aug 17th 2011, 19:55

Mr McKing...since you are claiming that the Maltese are living in the past and are not civilised by allowing hunting then can you please answer the following;

1. Is hunting allowed only in Malta.

2. How did you arrive at your claim that hunters are poorly educated men...maybe the hunters in your country might be...but many Maltese hunters come from differnt walks of life...some are graduates and hold pressional jobs, other are sucessful buisness owners, and others are respectful farmers...what makes you more educated....maybe the talent you have at insulting others...or maybe the fact that you are so much of a hypocrate to denaounce hunting in Malta...when the same practice is conducted all oevr the world?

3. What rules and regulations is the government ignoring by opening an autumn season like all other EU member States...once again is Malta the only EU state to open autumn hunting?

4. The EU Commissioner you choose to scare us with...well did take Malta to the ECJ re spring hunting...and guess what the ECJ paved the way and not banned spring hunting...so the EU Commissioner cannot ban spring hunting...and since autumn hunting is permitted by the Bird Directive it can neither ban autumn hunting....so what payments can your choosen defender cut?

5. Finally from which country do you come...and is hunting allowed their.....or is your country still awaiting to wake up and become a member of civilised Europe?

Christopher Grainger

Aug 17th 2011, 11:16

Agreed, but would banning it be enforcable ?

M. Cardona

Aug 17th 2011, 13:57

And exactly why not GG Debono?

Mr David Hill

Aug 16th 2011, 23:07

What world are you living in?
In all my 69 years I have never once heard of Quail at Xmas let alone seen a butcher selling them here in the UK, and I have lived in many parts of the country from Sussex in the south to Aberdeen in the north of Scotland.
In trhe UK Quail are farmed see this link http://www.quailfarm.co.uk/ and these are just one of many many quail farms see http://www.poultry.allotment.org.uk/poultry-suppliers/quail-supplier-England.php.
In the UK the favoured bird at Xmas is the Turkey

Hil Gates

Aug 16th 2011, 23:53

I've never known anyone to serve quail at home for Christmas dinner in the UK

Peter McKing

Aug 16th 2011, 23:53

Shame on the Maltese government and all MPs for allowing hunting of birds for fun. Do they still live in the past? Do they really need the votes of those poorly educated men who get their only satisfaction from killing birds? On the one hand the government is desperately begging for funds from the EU and on the other hand it is ignoring their regulations. If I were the EU commissionaire responsible for that matter I would cut the EU payments that it hurts Malta to the bones. Wake up Malta! Become a member of the civilized Europe!

Mr Charles Grima

Aug 18th 2011, 08:27

Ghandi ideja..... imma probabli nigi 'banned'

Kacca hija qerda, mhux Konsevazzjoni.

Meta ser tifhmu?

Mr Mark Sultana

Aug 16th 2011, 19:30

Sylvana i agree with you. Hunting is a pain and a nuisance just like car pollution, garbage left behind and ridiculous and arrogant comments. Well done, you just shot yourself in the foot (pun intended).

Jason Borg

Aug 16th 2011, 23:31

Issa anke l-insib tal-pluvieri u s-summien u l-imlievez qatgħalek, Sa Zarb Darmanin!

M. Cardona

Aug 17th 2011, 13:58

Mr Jason Borg,

times change and wheels turn full turns. Enjoy your spite while it lasts. I'll be hunting come Sept 1st. Care to join?

Twanny Scerri

Aug 17th 2011, 18:08

@M.Cardona
Wish I could join you but it seems that i cannot pitch my tent as it's illegal to do so whilst you're practicing your hobby. Thanks for the invite anyway.

Mr Johnny Xerri

Aug 17th 2011, 22:42

Twanny Scerri...you can pitch it anywhere you like but not on private land and not on l Ahrax...

There's;

Kennedy Grovove
Buskett
Ta' Qali

Then there's the remaining no hunting zones...ie the app 40 bird sancturies...

Then there is the public land that is 50m from main roads and 200m from buildings

Then there are the camping sites

If that is not enough there are 7 months in which you can use l Ahrax...

Andrew Gatt

Aug 16th 2011, 18:45

Relax, E Azzopardi....nothing to get hot under the collar about. This is the legal Autumn Hunting Season, the same season enjoyed by every other EU Member state, on the same dates (more or less).

You know, the hunting season that is NOT an issue, was NEVER an issue, and WILL NEVER be an issue in the whole EU, excluding tiny Malta - overrun with the sob-story cum meat-eating brigade and anti-hunting extremists.

Points from hunters? You gotta be kidding. Never has a Government been more one-sided AGAINST hunting. Seasons eroded, seasons cut short, erratic successes against poaching, dumb regulations, collective punishments, zero initiative and proactivity and on and on.

Thanks for nothing, Government, for AGAIN leaving it to the last couple of weeks, for AGAIN signing off September afternoons to foreign nosey-parkers on the stupidest of pretexts, and for AGAIN failing to set these dates into law as is the case across Europe.

Oh, and on behalf of trappers, thanks for banning that outright and breaking another solemn promise, and for allowing plover, quail, turtle dove and thrushes to be hunted but NOT caught. Duh. Mur ifhem.

Mario Pace

Aug 16th 2011, 22:41

Legal hunting if I am not mistaken starts in most of the EU in August until the end of February.
In fact Prince Philip spends August and September grouse hunting which is for pheasant and quail, a favoured dish in northern europe.

Mr C Mallia

Aug 17th 2011, 06:09

@Andrew Gatt

Take a relaxing break as well, Andrew Gatt. Times have been changing and they will continue to change. Hunting is legalised animal cruelty and maybe it will take many years to ban it, but certainly a season from 1st September to 31st January is far too long.

Public opinion will determine the future of hunting as happened to fox hunting in the UK and bull fighting in Catalan.

Robert Borg

Aug 16th 2011, 17:26

....wrong.... if the hunters will be in public places where they shouldnt be you can report them... if you take your family in private fields...its them that can report you for trespassing...

Charlie Borg

Aug 16th 2011, 17:49

And the rain of murdered birds!!

Mr Johnny Xerri

Aug 16th 2011, 18:19

yes they have...they can use the following options;

1. All the 40 plus no hunting zones (aka bird sancturies)
2. 50m from all arterial roads
3. 200m from inhabited areas
4. Any private land they have in the countryside

Why should hunters not enjoy their hobby on their land and on a section of public land when we pay taxes like all and sundry?

Why should hunters not be able to hunt like in all other countries all over the world?

As an aside...it surprises me to say teh least when somebody complains about not being able to use the countryside due to hunting and then every Sunday morning when I pass through Buskett only a handfull of cars can be seen parked...and then when going to places like Bay street parking is impossible.

It is highly impossible that there is no countryside available when even considering a few reserves the area is very large. Considering Buskett, Ta Qali, Kennedy Grove, Cadwick Lakes is already giving a large area to the people who want to take their kids out...let alone when taking all the no hunting zones toghether.

Spineless are people who cannot accept that hunting is practiced allover the world and not just in Malta...
Spineless are people who expect teh Maltese hunter to be treated inferior
Spineless are people who grumble but then do nothing to enjoy the areas allocated to them
Spineless are people who instigate government to break democractic obligations
Spineless are people who expect hunters to give up their private land and free it for them

lead showers...more like champagne showers tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA8rcLvS1BY&ob=av2e

Ryan Agius

Aug 16th 2011, 18:25

you can go in every EU country and its every where the same everywhere you have to 'deal with gun wielding chaps, their blasts and lead showers Mr. D Borg so if you do not want this to happen than try a third world country.

Paul A. Camilleri

Aug 16th 2011, 18:38

Hallina Sur Borg. If you want to take the kids out on Saturday , TAKE THEM TO THE TALKIES and on Sunday if still running high on energy I suggest you take them to the NATIONAL PARK as most Hunters like myself invested heavily on land (PRIVATE). KEEP OFF PRIVATE LAND. you trepass and we prosecute !!!!!!!!!!!!

D Borg

Aug 17th 2011, 08:51

@ Mr. Xerri

Spineless are people who cannot accept that hunting is practiced allover the world and not just in Malta...
PLS COMPARE DENSITY OF POPULATION TO THE AREA OF PUBLIC COUNTRYSIDE

........who expect teh Maltese hunter to be treated inferior (SAME AS ABOVE)

....who grumble but then do nothing to enjoy the areas allocated to them (OK SEND ME YOUR MOBILE NUMBER & I WILL SMS YOU WHEN I'M OUT)

..... who instigate government to break democractic obligations (YOU SEEM TO BE CONFUSING DEMOCRATIC WITH POLITICAL - TAKE EFA TO COURT IF YOU DEEM YOU HAVE A CASE)

..... who expect hunters to give up their private land and free it for them (WRONG AGAIN - KEEP YOUR LAND HOWEVER ANYTHING YOU DO ON/FROM IT THAT AFFECTS ANYONE BEYOND THE PERIMETER THEREOF BECOMES EVERYONE'S BUSINESS.

Mr Johnny Xerri

Aug 17th 2011, 20:00

D Borg,

If MAlta is small it is small for all and sundry...that is why we have to share...that is why we have close and open season...and that is why we have hunting and non hunting zones.

Malta's small size does not mean that hunters have to give up their private land and share of public land so that D Borg & co can stay comfy!!

Democratic & Political confusion...I sorry but the moment we voted upon something it changed from political promise to democratic obligation...

Democracy is the rule by many according to the elected party...which party is elected by people to govern according to the manifesto that was presented to the people...if in the manifesto hunting was included then it is the democractic obligation of that party to open the season.

D Borg

Aug 18th 2011, 09:40

Mr. Xerri

So you deem that a couple of hundred hunters taking over the public countryside for (currently) SIX months a year - including nearly a months during Spring, is a FAIR allocation of such limited natural resources for the rest of the population (inlcuding kids and tourists), who according to you can equally share the countryside including the dry summer months?

With such socio-cultural logic, I am not surprised with your representatives' hollow proclamations!

Moreover you seem to overlook the fact that the EU referendum was primarily aimed at having Malta alligned with directives, regulations and policies established and implemented to improve the broad quality of life, without sacrificing same because a bunch of unruly thugs take to the streets (at best) and hold spineless local politicians at ransom.