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Updated - Priests found guilty of child abuse

Victims request 'gesture' from the Church

Adds new video - Two priests have been sentenced to six years and five years, respectively, after being convicted of sexually abusing boys at St Joseph Home in Hamrun.

They have given notice of appeal.

Fr Charles Pulis was sentenced to six years in jail after nine cases were proven against him. Eight took place in the home and another in Marfa.

Fr Godwin Scerri was sented to five years in jail on conviction of similar charges.

Sentence was delivered by Magistrate Saviour Demicoli in a judgement of over 100 pages, bringing to an end a case which first came to public attention in September 2003.The cases happened some 20 years ago. 

The priests will appeal.

VICTIMS' REACTION

The victims welcomed the verdict.

"I am very satisfied. Many victims were scared of speaking out, this will help the truth to come out in more cases," Lawrence Grech told timesofmalta.com.

"They did a lot of harm, some of the victims ended up taking drugs, some have died. That hurt will never go away, Mr Grech said, with tears in his eyes.

He said that he hoped the process in the Church would now be concluded soon and that these two priests would be removed from the priesthood immediately.

It was regrettable, he said, that the Church process had taken too long and the apology given some months ago was not enough.

EIGHT-YEAR-OLD CASE

The court case started eight years ago. 

The accused, Fr Godwin Scerri and Fr Charles Pulis stood expressionless in the dock as the judgement was read out, a process which took almost two hours.

They were charged with abusing 11 boys who were in their care. Fr Scerri was charged, on his own, of raping a boy at Marfa. He was acquitted of that charge because the rape had not taken place at Marfa, but at St Joseph Home.

In its verdict, the court said it agreed with the prosecution that this case was not time-barred.

The court said cases were proven against Fr Pulis in eight cases which occurred at St Joseph Home and another in Marfa. 

The court noted that Fr Scerri had claimed he was not in Malta when the cases  happened. There were two departure stamps on his passport- September 1985 and July 1990. There were no arrival stamps but the departure ones indicated he must have been in Malta for some time between the two departure dates, the court said.

The accused originally stood charged together with a third, who passed away last January, aged 63.

The victims, who were then aged between 13 and 16, were resident at St Joseph’s Home in Sta Venera in the late 1980s when the abuse took place.

The court had banned the publication of the priests’ names and the case was heard behind closed doors. At the same time, the Church Response Team initiated an investigation.

Under the gaze of the world’s media, the victims were last year given a private audience with the Pope in Malta. The Vatican promised it would look into their case following criticism of the Response Team, which had not yet concluded its investigation seven years on.

Subsequently, the victims held a private meeting with Archbishop Paul Cremona and Gozo Bishop Mario Grech.

In an interview with The Sunday Times, in June 2010, Archbishop Cremona apologised for the delay in the Church investigation. The Vatican’s Promoter of Justice in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Mgr Charles Scicluna, held meetings in Malta with some of the victims. He compiled their testimony and passed on the details to the Response Team.

Last October, the victims received a letter informing them that their cases were “founded” and the matter would be referred to the Vatican. Then, in January this year, the Vatican instructed the Maltese Church to set up a tribunal to conduct the judicial process into the abuse allegations 

In April, Lawrence Grech – who became the spokesman for the victims – accused the Church of delaying tactics as regards its own tribunal, pending the outcome of the criminal court case.

However, in May, a member of the tribunal hearing the case against the priests met the victims to formalise evidence they gave to the Vatican’s chief sex abuse prosecutor last summer. 

OTHER CASES

In April last year, the Curia reported that four Maltese priests were found guilty of the sexual abuse of minors and punished after their case was referred to the Holy See by the Church's response team.

Their punishment varied from not allowing them to exercise their ministry to limiting their pastoral work so that they could not work with minors and being placed under supervision.

The Curia also said that the response team, which was set up in 1999, had received a total of 84 allegations of child abuse, involving 45 Maltese priests.

Some of these cases went back to the 1970s. The response team had found a basis for the allegations made against 13 of the 45 cases. 

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Raymond Sammut

Aug 3rd 2011, 16:59

No need to venture a guess in so far as the 'gesture' is concerned.

The 'gesture' was never forthcoming. So much so, Dr Gonzi Quote:"...accused the Church of delaying tactics as regards its own tribunal, pending the outcome of the criminal court case.":Unquote

Now that the court case has come to a conclusion, the question to be answered is: who was behind the 'delaying tactics'? I do not think it was Bishop Cremona.

Ms G Portelli

Aug 3rd 2011, 19:41

Again Sir , stop defending the indefensible, social justice demands it. Stop belittling the trauma of these victims by your comments. Yes we all know there is no greater love than yours for the Church, perhaps you should focus your zeal on the healing process instead of denigrating the victims.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 21:26

@Ms G Portelli.

I do not belittle the trauma of these victims. I am not so gullible as believe that pecuniary settlements could contribute anything to healing that "trauma" although it certainly would fatten the bank accounts of victims and their lawyers.

P.S. I take your statement that "there is no greater love than yours for the Church" as a compliment. Please understand that my admiration for the Church of Christ does not extend to individual members who sin against its teaching and bring disgrace to it.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 21:31

@Raymond Sammut.

There can be no doubt that the delay by the victims to lodge a report with the police soon after the event was a major contributory factor until the jingle of dollars from across the Atlantic started to jog memories and hopes.

Adele Mintoff

Aug 4th 2011, 00:23

You make it sound like a fairytale gone wrong!!!!!! Shame!!! I'm sure that you or your son (if you have one) have never been trapped between the legs of a paedophile Mr Saliba!!! Correct me if I'm wrong please. And yes ofcourse compensation to the victims should be a must!!!!! What makes you think that psychological or psychiatric help is not needed after such trauma????? Who should pay for it?????

M. Mifsud

Aug 3rd 2011, 21:45

Mr. Sammut,

You wrote:-

"Fr Scerri was charged, on his own, of raping a boy at Marfa. He was acquitted of that charge because the rape had not taken place at Marfa, but at St Joseph Home".

Ok...so how about charging this child rapist of rape at St.Joseph's Home now?!!?"

I have a news for you. In all democracies that follow the Roman Law model their is one basic principle which is fundamental in all criminal codes that follow the Roman Law that is "ne ibis in idem" which means one can only be charged with a crime only ones. So Fr. Scerri cannot be charged again with rape. He was charged, e was tried and he was acquitted of that particular charge. That's it. Just once. The law is there for all. Everyone is the same before the law. Even Fr Scerri. Whether we like it or not.

End of story.

Joe Brincat-LL.D

Aug 3rd 2011, 13:10

Although you quoted Art 198 of the Criminal Code, you failed to consider other provisions of the Code about punishments, especially Article 18. I am answering on the point of law, in general, and not on the particular case, as the impression you give may be misleading.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 11:32

@Franco Attard Trevisan.

If these priests are let out on bail it won't be "because they are priests" but because the court so agrees as in all similar cases. The priests would not be receiving any special preferential treatment - they would be treated just like everybody else. But that is not what you want. You want that they be discriminated against simply because they are priests. I am disgusted by your biased and discriminatory attitude against priests.

jonathan brincat

Aug 3rd 2011, 12:22

MR saliba francis they should double penalties for priests because i think priests are there to give an example not rape chidren. i mean if u wanted to rape children atleast dont be a priest

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 13:10

@Jonathan Brincat.

There is no question of my "wanting to rape children" and therefore "at least not becoming a priest". As far as I am concerned, raping children is taboo for priests just as it is for everybody else e.g school employees, boy scouts, sports clubs for children etc. You isolate priests for special condemnation because your aim is not to protect children from all kinds of adult child predators but because religion does not go down well with you.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 11:44

@ Louise Vella.

Why do you insist on an independent Commission "to enquire if criminal behaviour has occurred, or is occurring, in Malta by the Catholic Church" and only by the Catholic Church. Why not also by all the other groups (even close family member) of the victims?

Let me give you the obvious answer. Because you are not interested in protecting child victims from their predators wherever they occur throughout society. You want to vent your spleen against religion and priests. And because you have no shame to try and involve the Prime Minister as an accomplice in your vendetta.

Ms D Galea

Aug 3rd 2011, 12:07

Are you using the word "WE" as the royal prerogative or are you speaking officially in the name of some group ?

Children should be protected from abuse of any sort, including. racist indoctrination and xenophobic sentiments that flood public blogs at very regular intervals especially during the summer months when boat loads of irregular immigrants drown in the waters around us in their bid for a better life for themselves and their families.

Mr Tommy Vella

Aug 3rd 2011, 12:14

"The archbishop still consciously continues to shield from public exposure and police investigation priests who abuse children".

How do you know?

If other abuses occurred all that is the required is for the victims, or members of their family to talk, as in this case steps will be taken I'm sure.

Mr Tommy Vella

Aug 3rd 2011, 12:23

"maybe it is time to concentrate more and more on possible causes for this world wide phenomenon."

This world-wide phenomenon is not reserved just to priests and we all know the cause for it, it is due to our negation of values, and by our I mean all mankind. We are liberal, so anyhthing goes as long as it pleases me, why should anyone tell me what I should do?

Don't get me wrong, child abuse is a heinious crime BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE being committed. I always look at MY sin as a weakness which should be excused but the sins of others should be punished harshly

Let him who is without sin cast the first stonne.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 11:22

@Christina Pace.

The Church does not have constituents. It has members that throughout its ranks,from top to bottom,are all acknowledged sinners. That applies to all humanity including you and me. You belong to that universal company of sinners, whether you admit it or not, and also if your genteel ladyship considers it to be disgusting "crap".

Directing your venom exclusively at the Church to the exclusion of all other organisations dealing with young people - including family members - only exposes the chip on your shoulder and your anti-Church bias.


Ruby Jenner

Aug 3rd 2011, 10:04

I was wondering the exact same thought. He has gone very quiet.

Adele Mintoff

Aug 3rd 2011, 14:21

Joe Zammit must have knocked himself out with some strong sleeping tablets lately.' No Maltese Priest was fouind guilty of abuse' ye right! And these are only the first two.... just wait and see how fast the list is going to grow once others will pluck up the courage to speak up!!! The unfortunate truth is that victims have been proven to be the most vulnerable kids mainly in their care which leaves little or no choice to speak up until they reach adulthood.

Raymond Sacco

Aug 3rd 2011, 10:06

"paedophilia is a very disgusting act"..............................and so is protecting paedophiles mr. zammit spiteri. something which you seem to cannot understand, or should i say don't want to understand!

Joe Brincat-LL.D

Aug 3rd 2011, 09:11

The question of divorce and corruption of minors are two distinct things. Opposition to divorce is a doctrinal matter, to which the Church cannot renounce, even with civil legislation in place. Corruption of minors is a criminal act, with rules established and can be changed by the state. So many are clamouring for the reduction of the age from 18 to 16 for example. And we have so many minor pregnant girls whose cases do not come to court.

As to financial compensation this is also regulated by our civil laws. Who is responsible for the damage ? If the damage arises from a criminal act, and criminal responsibility is personal, who answers ? It may be added that our laws do not allow for moral damages (apart from specific cases laid down by law, which areof no relevance in such cases). Our law on damages is different,for example, from the American system.

John Zammit-Spiteri

Aug 3rd 2011, 09:21

All of you who are writing and vomitting all this venom against the church, makes me really see this, " YOU ARE NOT AGAINST PAEDOPHILES, YOU ARE ONLY CHURCH HATERS." All of you should be ashamed writing in this manner, This anti church campaign stems from many things.

Why all this Anti Church hatred? Paedophiles come from everywhere and they should be hunted down. Why are we focusing on one side of society?
Arent we telling paedophiles to continue abusing children within the family? within sport complexes within many other places. This anti church drama will have its negative effect on us all. It is sending a message to all paedophiles to act within other venues and go unnoticed. Shame on you lot.

Raymond Sacco

Aug 3rd 2011, 10:36

@joe brincat LLD:
"The question of divorce and corruption of minors are two distinct things"...........i totally agree. but mr. grima is not comparing these issues, he is comparing the catholic church's reaction to these issues! and while the church's reaction to divorce was ferocious, as mr grima commented, it's reaction towards paedophilia within it, was just covert silence! thinking about all this, the expression "wolves in sheep's clothing" comes to mind!

Joe Brincat-LL.D

Aug 3rd 2011, 12:34

@Raymond Sacco. I do not think that the Bishops either condone divorce (which is a doctrinal matter) or corruption of minors. (paedophilia is sex with prepubescent children). It is heart breaking to any community or organisation which upholds certain values, and speaks out about them, to have a few in their midst who do the opposite.

The expression of wolves in sheep's clothing was taken from the Gospel of that Sunday. I remember without checking, on account of the misinterpretation that was given, that the day was the 15th May.

It seems to escape the attention or knowledge of many that criminal proceedings are a state matter, and no church should interfere. Canonical proceedings are internal proceedings. The law of Malta does not impose any obligation on anyone to report a case of corruption of minors. (Doctors for example have a duty to report to the police if a patient comes in with a bullet wound).

Let me illustrate by an example. If a priest fathers a child from a woman of age, does the paternity of that child belong to the Church or to the bishops ? In every organisation of human beings, responsibility for illegal acts is personal. That person who is accused of a crime has the responsibility to defend himself, and should not receive the condemnation of his organisation, or that the whole organisation assumes responsibility for that act. Clear enough ?

Raymond Sacco

Aug 3rd 2011, 13:31

@joe brincat LLD:
"The law of Malta does not impose any obligation on anyone to report a case of corruption of minors."
so we should aplaud the catholic church for flexing it's obligation towards the law and not it's conscience and morals!!!!!!
yet again, my argument here was about the catholic church's reactions towards two different issues not about legal matters!

J Zerafa

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:59

We cannot condemn an institution because some of its members do wrong - granted! But we definitely condemn an institution who protects its members who are doing wrong and consequentially such actions taint those who truly belong to Christ. The church should immediatley de-frock such members. They don't belong in the church.

Ms Lina CARUANA

Aug 3rd 2011, 09:10

In spite of everything else God gave us all personal freedom, including to those whom He chooses. The choice to do good or evil rests on us. Sin is obvious by its consequences especially on others. God also gave us a conscience to discern what should be done or not. Some choose to ignore their conscience. We are all sinners but some sins are greater than others. I do not defend the human Church but the Church of Christ.The Christian revolution when Christ came on earth brought a huge wave of civilization in favour of the great value of the human person created in the image of Christ. God have mercy on the souls of those who ignore Him bringing suffering and distress to humanity in different ways. Is that a plausible explanation?

Matthew Croker

Aug 3rd 2011, 09:27

Not being perfect is one thing - making disgusting things is another. It's not the celibate state the problem here, even though I'm sure it's far from easy. We have had cases of child-abuses from married men - now what about that Mr.Sciberras?

Gary Davies

Aug 3rd 2011, 19:55

What have celibacy and paedophillia have in common? i really dont think you understand the big picture here, do you?

Lina Ghirxi

Aug 3rd 2011, 11:27

@ Adele Mintoff....god forbid that a pedophile were to marry...all his offspring would be at risk!!! a pedophile is not one who has a normal sexual urge, a pedophile is a pervert!

A pedophile is always in the wrong whatever his/her status...however a clergyman pedophile is definitely worse as he should be preaching Christ's teachings, and as far as I know, he also is representing Christ and his teachings. In my humble opinion, this is what makes it even more abominable!! Apart from this, people, in general, normally pour out their heart and soul to clergymen and trust them. The majority are trustworthy I am sure. I cannot understand the Church, who preaches love and justice and human dignity,etc., tries to cover up such atrocities!



































I Bugeja

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:09

wouldn't join either

Mr mark johnson

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:25

I thought priests are suppose to be humble and poor

Joke of the week

Kenneth Cassar

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:05

"The Church is not bound to initiate criminal proceedings by laying down a report with the authorities. Is a mother bound to report her father for abusing her minor daughter ? The answer is that there is no such legal obligation".

Legally, perhaps not. But morally, surely yes.

"Would one say that the parents are responsible for failing to protect the minor?"

Yes.

Mr Mike Abbot

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:15

I feel this line of thinking is wrong. The church is responsible for the acts of these priest since these priests represent the church. IF the church has shown itself to act swiftly and responsibly in the past i might agree with you, but it hasn't. True, the priests responsibilities are different to the churches but they both bear responsibility. What makes this different to 'anyone else committing the same crimes' is that the church and it's clergy promote themselves as holy & godly and all that goes with that claim and that's no small claim either. It is right, then, to expect a much higher set of standards from such people and organisation. It's fair to say they are just human, but it wrong not to hold the church itself responsible for keeping it's people in line and being seen to do it.

on you comment 'Is a mother bound to report her father for abusing her minor daughter' - i find it hard to believe a court would take kindly to hearing a mother stood by while her husband systematically abused their daughter. If that is true, as you say it is, then we have a rotten legal system.

'Would one say that the parents are responsible for failing to protect the minor ?' an emphatic yes. The result, the father is free to continue abuse, the mother doesn't feel the need to stop it. The child... well.. the child just has to deal with it. The rest of the world remain in the dark - the way it's always been.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:16

Prosit for common sense arguments. I have said the same thing for years. The vilification campaign against the Church and the great majority of exemplary members is not justified at all. It is explained by the attitude of anti-Catholics prominent in these blogs to stoop and to take advantage of any circumstance that could possibly harm the Church and hurt its worthy members.

Ruby Jenner

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:30

Are you defending the Church?. They have covered up and protected these monster's. Shuffled them about knowing that they are child abuser's. Scerri is still wanted by the Canadian police for investigation's of child abuse. He fled to Malta and even though the curia in Malta allegedly were informed about him he was again placed working with children. The Church has defended it's reputation at all cost's and this is a crime. You state that some may even prefer no criminal action to avoid bad publicity or trauma. Why is that? Could it be they had no faith in the system. The Church is very powerful and has a hold over a lot of people. In this case they were children from an orphanage. They were vunerable and didn't have a family to confide in. To me this makes me feel even more sickened by the abuse and cover up that went on. We all know that abuse is not only carried out by the clergy but this is no excuse. To the victim's I admire your courage and your strength.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 10:49

@Ruby Jenner.

There is nothing wrong with defending the main body of the Church - or any other organisation having close contact with children - from the vile accusation that "it protects these monsters". The simple truth is that there is a universal failure by all society, lay and clerical, to succeed in weeding out these criminals.

The Church did not protect these criminals. Through its Response Team it advised victims of their right to report the crime to the police since it was prevented by its remit from doing so itself. It is not the Church's fault if they did not take the advice given to them and if they did not promptly just cross the road to the nearest police station.

The function of the Church is to teach and to redeem sinners. It is not to investigate crime or to hand over suspects to the police when the people direcly involved neglect to do so.

Joe Brincat-LL.D

Aug 3rd 2011, 12:48

@Kenneth Cassar and Mike Abbot. Moral responsibility does not mean that a person is bound to report to the police. It is the victim that has the right (not an obligation) to report what has been committed in private to his detriment. Do you think that all who have been victims of abuse, in any organisation or family or even casually, reported their case to the police ?

Are parents responsible for the acts of their minor children in criminal matters ? Sorry again, the answer is no. This applies, by the way, even to a pending case in which I am involved on behalf of the injured parties and which was appearing on this page. The parents can only be bound over to watch over their children if they commit a contravention (that is a minor offence).

I was speaking in general, not really about the details of this specific case, and about what the law is. You may say the "law is an ass", but it is the law.

Ms D. Borg

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:09

What if one of these victims was your son?

Raymond Sacco

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:26

@teresa pace:
i agree with you. there are many decent, honest clergy members who silently work hard amongst our society. you mentioned only one from so many. but the comments here are directed towards the convicted perverts and the catholic church which protected them and concealed their crimes, thus increasing the number of victims and giving all it's clergy members a bad image! so why are you blaming the outrage of the people and not your catholic church?

Kenneth Cassar

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:02

"Let us all work towards the elimination of sexual abuse also across secular society and in families where also huge cover-ups continue".

Name me one secular organisation that covers up cases of sexual abuse. My criticism of the Church in the past has been due to the fact that it used to protect the perpetrator at the expense of the victims (in order not to cause scandal...it claimed). Thankfully, this is slowly but surely changing, partly as a result of the public outcry (which some described as "attacks on the Church").

There will always be individuals who abuse the people in their care, and there is little that can be done to prevent this. We can only deal with such cases after the facts are known. But when whole institutions protect abusers and cover-up the abuse as a matter of policy, then we need to worry and feel outrage. But like I said, this is changing. One could say that the "attacks on the Church" have actually helped the Church to come to its senses and reform.

Mr Tommy Vella

Aug 3rd 2011, 13:30

@ Mr Kenneth Cassar

Name me one secular organisation that covers up cases of sexual abuse.

Most families do.

Raymond Sacco

Aug 3rd 2011, 09:02

@john zammit spiteri:
the catholic church is no innocent scape goat. if i know of someone who abuses a child, conceal his crime and protect him while he continues abusing more children, then i am guilty as much as he is! and that is why the general public is enraged at the catholic church! can't you understand this! you talk as if vice is a modern invention. we are 'diving into oblivion', 'we don't teach values anymore' 'our society has erred miserably the past 40 years' you say! and what were the values taught before the past 40 years mr zammit spiteri? slaughtering some 70 million lives in just five years?

angelo cilia

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:47

Normal men don't bugger little boys.

Mr mark johnson

Aug 2nd 2011, 20:00

Absolute nonsense!

If they had normal sexual urges then they would not be having sex with children but with adults.

Jason Borg

Aug 2nd 2011, 20:18

Have you ever heard of fathers and mothers who sexually abuse their siblings?

Giov DeMartino

Aug 2nd 2011, 20:58

Marriage has nothing to do with this. No connection whatsoever. Thousands of married men commit adultery and also abuse children Even though they have a wife.

John Spiteri

Aug 2nd 2011, 21:37

It is absurd to say that celibacy is the cause of paediphilia. Most priests are not paediphiles and most paediphiles are not priests.

Ruby Jenner

Aug 2nd 2011, 22:14

Adele even if priests were allowed to marry it probably wouldn' have made any difference. They prefer boy's and young. They also enjoy the power they have over the vulnerable. Shame on them.

Mr Graham Holme

Aug 2nd 2011, 23:23

You blame the Church?A priest knows the conditions before he excepts this vocation.
Some priests use their position to get close to children,an opening for pedophiles to satisfy their perverted sexual needs
Any pervert abuses my child? forgiveness would be the last thing on my mind.
Forgiveness is in the hands of God,abuse my child? I will be only too happy to arrange the meeting

Ms Agnes Bezzina

Aug 2nd 2011, 23:54

X'ghandu x'jaqsam!! Please, for the sake of everyone's sanity, do not link celibacy and pedophilia!! One does not become a pedophile because they are celibate! There is NO RELATION! The majority of pedophiles are NOT people who are celibate ... Linking pedophilia to celibacy diminishes the seriousness of it, and makes it seem like there is some simple solution to this very complex 'illness' which causes devastation in the lives of many a child.

Mr R Psaila

Aug 3rd 2011, 07:13

I agree with you that priests should be allowed to marry, but raping and abusing small children is never something of an urge to have sex. We must not forget that married people also are convicted everyday for paedophelia.

Ms B Cassar

Aug 3rd 2011, 07:14

I agree with you perfectly. Besides how can a priest for example teach and give counselling on marriage when he himself does not even have an idea about what it feels and what it takes to be married. It's easy speaking about others feelings, behaviours and what not but at the end you can never know what the true feeling is because ultimately you are looking at them from outside. I can feel alot for a person who lost a dear one but I can never really understand it so well until I live it myself. The same applies here.

In many other countries priests are allowed to marry and they preach the same gospel as ours. I don't know who the hell came with the idea that they shouldn't be married. Even the apostles had wives so why priests shouldn't.

There is one thing that I don't agree in your first paragraph, that you blame the church. Partially you may be right but the biggest blame rests on these cowards. At least they should have looked for a prostitute to satisfy their needs and not innocent children. I would have understood it perfectly if this happened because at least there would have been an adult person who perfectly knows what is being done, the risks etc. The fact that they looked for children is that they wanted to be covered by their innocence thinking that they would never understand what was heappening or worse that they would never have the courage to speak up. They wanted to rest assured basing their coward and miserable acts on the fact that a child is many times taken for granted.

Well the years given by the court are not enough. People take note of the faces of these cowards and yet they think they can teach someone. Yeah rite! Miserable people that's what you are.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:20

@ Graham Holme.

Forgiveness is NOT restricted to God alone. That is why Christians pray to be forgiven by God just as we forgive (or should forgive) those who trespass against us.

Charles J. Buttigieg

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:22

Giovan, persuna bil-guh hi ferm aktar vulnerabbli biex tisraq hobza.

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 10:25

@Graham Holme.

So, you do not admit that we should forgive those who trespass against us so that, in his turn, God would forgive our trespasses as we pray in the Pater Noster! Instead, you would hasten the meeting of the trespasser with his Maker - meaning you would murder the sinner! Excuse me, but as a Christian I cannot share those bloodthirsty sentiments.

M. Mifsud

Aug 3rd 2011, 21:34

@Ms. B. Cassar

Your comments show that you have a huge confusion in your mind. Your comments show also that you lack basic information about the Roman Catholic Church. Paedophilia is a sickness and does not have anything to do with celibacy. You said that in many other countries priests are permitted to marry. The Roman Catholic Church does not permit the members of its clergy to marry.Neither in Malta nor anywhere else. The Roman Catholic Church is a worldwide institution and it upholds celibacy throughout the world. Celibacy is not just for Maltese members of the Roman Catholic Church. Other churches such as the various protestant churches and the Orthodox church permit their priests to marry but that does not mean that they do not have cases of paedophilia either. As I said paedophilia is a sickness and has nothing to do with celibacy. And celibacy was imposed on the priests because the priest should be of the people, for the people, of all the people. Imagine a priest with wife and kids having to provide financially for his wife and children and to attend to their each and every necessity. These are huge responsibilities that would impede priests from dedicating themselves one hundred percent to their m ission. Celibacy permits priests to be free from such ties and able to dedicate themselves to their mission.

And let's be honest and admit that the church has done a lot of good worldwide during its two thousand years of existence. No other party,movement or association created by man has done the same amount of good that the Roman Catholic Church has done. The Roman Catholic Church has worked incessantly all over the world to alleviate the suffering of the less fortunate and to defend the poor and the weak against their oppressors. It even had the courage and the guts to face Communist regimes in Eastern Europe and to help to secure their downfall.

As regards to your affirmation that if one does not experience marriage than one cannot give good advice on marriage, I think that this is completely baseless. Priests before being ordained priests have to pass through a very long process of formation of several years studying various subjects such as sociology, psychology and other related subjects in order to be prioperly equipped to be able to face their difficult mission. So by your assumption all men and women who are married are capable of giving good advice about marriage just because they are married even if thes do not have a clue of what marriage is all about! And priests who have spent long years of studying and preparing themselves for their mission are not qualfied to give good advice on marriage, according to your assumption, because they are not married themselves!

A bit too far fetched of an assumption I think!

Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti

Aug 3rd 2011, 00:35

Remember Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss!

Ms B Cassar

Aug 3rd 2011, 07:19

We should thank the church for ripping off innocent children of their childhood? I think you should re-list your priorities according to importance before you speak.

The money invested by the church to get on with the ridiculous divorce crusade should have been used wiser and in a way that helps people victims of these cowards to get on with their life. Yesterday I saw a man crying on the news. He's not anymore a child but yet his broken feelings and his suffering led him to cry instantly instead of talking like a man. You rarely see a man crying but this man broke up into tears, that must make you understand what they feel. MIN JAF KIEKU KONT INT KONTX TIKTEB HEKK! If it takes to hate the church to clean up from such bastards, then I will do my utmost to hate it. We know what the church is, a recent example has been given in the divorce crusade few weeks ago.

Mr Tommy Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:36

What kinf of reasoning is this? What has being married or not got to do with child abuse? Haven't you heard of fathers abusing their own daughters? And of brothers, uncles, grandparents, teachers, doctors and many other categories abusing both girls and boys, a lot of them married?

Mrs Teresa Pace

Aug 2nd 2011, 20:58

Well said. These kind of priests are extreme minority (still they have to be brought to justice). One cannot label all the priests as such as only a minority are as such. The majority of priests do alot of good, alot of pastoral work. It is a pity if one labels all the priests to be as such or worst still to label the Catholic Church.

Ms Lina CARUANA

Aug 3rd 2011, 06:12

This should serve all people whose role is to serve to be more careful in the execution of their duty. This case has shaken the Church whose Protector is Omnipotent. Let us hope that others will not shake the country by their actions. For sin is truly recognized by its consequences.

Charles J. Buttigieg

Aug 2nd 2011, 21:11

MZPN. “At the same time, the MZPN also augured that guilty sentences would not be allowed to cast a shadow on the Church as an institution, or any of its members, given “the good deeds it performs within Maltese society as a whole.”

Dr. Francis Saliba.
...... "Forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us ..........."
(Christ in the Lord's Prayer)

My question: - Had these two paedophiles Priests been two paedophiles PL Officials would the MZPN’s noble gesture been extended to them, and would Francis Saliba be quoting the Lord’s Prayer at this juncture?

hugh jars

Aug 2nd 2011, 22:37

WHO!!!!

Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti

Aug 3rd 2011, 00:39

I agree that we should understand that no one is perfect but the thrust of the criticism is towards a Church that claims to be a State, a hierarchy that thinks it is above the law, a hierarchy that sets up kangaroo courts in the form of review teams, a hierarchy that sets out to deceive the people by appointing a judge to head it, a hierarchy that encourages confidential agreements ... need I continue?

Mr Saliba Francis

Aug 3rd 2011, 08:26

@Charles J Buttigieg.

Dr Saliba (myself) would quote the Lord's Prayer always including any circumstance concocted by you. To me Christ's teaching goes beyond political partisanship. You have no right to glibly question my sincerity not even under the guise of a question.

Victor Boyde

Aug 3rd 2011, 17:46

I wonder if you would repeat all this if it was your child that got raped???????

Mr Tommy Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:38

"many and many cases like these involving clergy all over the world! Come on something is not right!"

Only clergy?

Ms Lina CARUANA

Aug 3rd 2011, 06:16

No good can be done by wishing justice on others when you know well enough that the Lawis equal for all.

Mr Carmel Garcia

Aug 3rd 2011, 07:32

TOmmy, yes for men only clergy because others are white flags as we say in maltese (Bandiera bajda). All are hypocrats. Everyone has something to smell under his arm, so judge me not.

Laurence Zerafa

Aug 2nd 2011, 20:28

Totally agree.

Joseph J Camilleri

Aug 2nd 2011, 23:46

You are right. And may I add - All those without sin cast the first stone.......!

hugh jars

Aug 2nd 2011, 23:00

PERFECTLY PUT SIR

Raymond Sacco

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:42

ms debattista, the catholic church brought all this on itself! the church's hierarchy could have done the easiest thing by reporting these crimes immediately to the authorities, but they chose to cover up and protect the perverts! in this way, the church put all it's clergy in a dark shadow and allowed the victims to grow in number! these comments are not hatred towards the church but anger. and the anger is understandable!

Mrs Teresa Pace

Aug 2nd 2011, 21:00

Very well said!

Kenneth Cassar

Aug 3rd 2011, 07:54

Personally I don't want revenge. All I expect is that people who abuse other people in their care are brought to justice as soon as possible. This protects both the victims (and possible future victims), and other carers who are given a bad name through the actions of the few.

This should apply equally to both clergy and secular organisations.

It is certainly a good sign that the Pope has already defrocked Charles Pulis (even before the court judgement). It makes a refreshing change, and proves that criticism of the Church, when founded on reason and a sense of justice, actually helps to reform the Church.

Anger, of course, is reasonable, considering this case (and other similar cases)'s history. But of course, we musn't judge the whole priesthood on the actions (or inaction) of the few.

Raymond Sacco

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:25

mr zammit spiteri, there is not one single comment containing religious hatred. the large majority of the comments are directed towards the catholic church not the catholic religion. and the anger towards the catholic church is apprehensible, knowing that the same catholic church has confessed of covering up these crimes and protected the perverts by transfering them elsewhere where they continued preying on the young! yes, paedophiles can be found anywhere, but the way you are talking make it sound as if they are everywhere, in every household, in every club, in every school! your comments have started to become frenetic! you are right, no one is perfect, but not everybody is a paedophile or a paedophile protector as you seem to imply. so please calm down and start accepting the fact that we live in a modern democratic society where every person has the right to criticise other persons or institutions, churches included, without being in danger of getting burned to the stake!

John Zammit-Spiteri

Aug 2nd 2011, 18:13

@ Mr Ernest Vella

I cant help it but I love reading your comment, it is full of humanity and it is very very humaine. Wonderfull comment. I would like to add something to your contribution,
Forgiving means that you heal yourself and you forget and live in peace. Those who forgive live in peace and this is true. I fully agree with your comment , such a breath of fresh air from those who have only vengeance and hatred.

To ERR is HUMAN but to FORGIVE is Divine

Mr D Galea

Aug 2nd 2011, 18:44

naqbel mighek 100%.

Hawn ħafna l-ħażin biss jaraw.

John Zammit-Spiteri

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:25

Prosit beautiful comment


Mr Kevin J Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:26

what makes it worse is the fact that these people are protected by an institution that knows of their crimes, condones these crimes and then has the gall of preaching in favour universal love and brotherhood and against sins of the flesh on a global basis. I hope that now you can appreciate it is not a question of brain washing

Matthew P. Zammit

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:55

Dil-bicca xoghol tal-"power over the people" naqtghuha ghax hija misleading hafna.

Jew temmen fil-Knisjau u temmen u tapplika t-taghlim taghha ghalik, jew inkella, jekk ma temminx fiha, ma tikkommettix ruhek li taghmel dak li l-Knisja taghmel. Imma iva, il-Knisja ghanda sens ta'awtorita' fuq il-membri taghha li jaccettaw bi shih it-taghlim taghha.

Hija haga ovja li membru f'istituzzjoni joqghod ghar-regoli u ghat-taghlim ta' dik l-istess istituzzjoni li hu jappartjeni ghaliha.

Mr Pierre Portelli

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:30

True. But its a first Mr. Mizzi.

Mr Alex Buds

Aug 2nd 2011, 18:34

True. But better than the usual suspended sentence and a slap on the wrist, still...

C Muscat

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:24

clan must be done away with and each of its members must be subject to Maltese & EU Law just like any other citizen...
I am a normal citizen and meber of this Roman Catholic Church; I pay my taxes and i abide by all rules and regulations. I am cerain, there are many thousands like m that live our life in harmony with God and neighbours.
So who are you to attack us as if we real culprits because we believe in our God an in our religion. As you have seen this country punishes all and sundry that breaks the law including the high judges.

Mr john vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:27


Why have you to seep so low as to mention the name of Christ. I am not a church goer, but Thanks to our Laws and Religion, so far our country has been built on these pillars hence you are tolerated to hurt the followers of Christ.
Jesus Christ came into a world of religious confusion much like our own. He conquered that world with the truth taken from the Bible. When confronted with doctrinal controversy, Jesus Christ always went to Scripture for the answer. He was known to ask: "Have you not read?" (see Matthew 12:3,5; 21:16,42;) I am surprised Sir, how you profess an eastern faith yet you do not skip a chance to mention Our Lord or his representatives as though you know each other.
As for signing Alpha you need Omega so one will consider you a God hence in the relations with the local church, unfortunately you are no more than the rest of us from dust to dust you shall return.

M. Mifsud

Aug 2nd 2011, 22:14

"The Kurja must be made to pay financial compensation to those it barred from defending their clients before the autocratic Ecclessiastical Tribunal;this compensation should cover material and moral,physichological and physical damages"

"....................and hence all Chruch property should be expropriated for all these damages to be made good for".

So that's what you are after Dr.Bezzina. You are after FINANCIAL COMPENSATION for not being allowed to plead before the Ecclesiastical Tribunal years ago for crticising the Church's teachings. So that's your aim Dr. Bezzina to get monetary compensation from the Church in Malta. Hmm....... very interesting Dr. Bezzina. Very interesting.

So after all, all bombastic words put aside, what you are interested in is to see the Maltese Roman Catholic Church deprived of its material wealth (material wealth which the Roman Catholic Church has used along the years to run its charitable institutions in Malta including orphanages, old people's homes, counselling centres, 'Dar tal-Providenza' and a myriad of other institutions) and to have a chance to dip your fingers in the pie yourself.

Very interesting. Very interesting. However you should have declared this in plain clear words and not in half and unclear terms.

Jamie Iain Genovese

Aug 3rd 2011, 09:17

Hmph, having lots of letters in your name really doesn't help one be a little less transparent.

Why the heck would you want the Church to be incorporated into the state? With everyone pretty much in favour of secularism you'd think that's a silly thing to want.

Gross generalisations and meaningless buzzwords aside, all citizens of a democratic republic (Eee, like Malta) have a say in what goes on in the country and can criticise any of the three main wings of our Government, be it Judicial, Executive or Legislative. However, the Church is a separate entity in which it has its own court system, the ecclesiastic court, which is something entirely different to state affairs.

Oh, and don't look like you want money so bad, it's a little demeaning to everyone you're trying to slip this by.

Jason Borg

Aug 3rd 2011, 23:17

B'dal-kummenti mhux ta' b'xejn li qatt ma ġibt iktar minn erba' voti, sur mexxej u fundatur u l-uniku membru tal-partit tal-alfa.

Mr Ernest Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:39

L-Appell huwa dritt sagrosant tal-bniedem...u dan id-dritt hadd ma jista jichadulhom...Waqt li nittama li tibqa s-sentenza imma issa ma nsirux ahna aghar minnhom billi ncahdulhom dan id-dritt. Nahseb int kieku titla l-qorti fuq xi haga mill-ewwel tammetti u taghti l-provi ta dak li ghamilt? L-Avukati stess jghidulek biex tghid li m'intiex hati, u wara dejjem isir l-appell. Issa jekk il-qorti ingusta li tarresta nies 'innocenti' jew ma nafx...ghax Alla jbierek kollha nnocenti jghidu li huma....Inti taf li lanqas habta ma jammettu li ghandhom tort in-nies?

carmel muscat

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:29

min jaf kemm ommijiet missirijiet u nanniet kinu abbuzaw min tfal u U BAQA KOLLOX MISTUR SAL GURNATA TAL LUM JIEN NEMMEN LI DAWN IL VITMI LEJN IL FLUS QEDIN IHARSU U LEJN XEJN AKTAR IZ ZMIEN ITIJNA RAGUN

N. Galea

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:53

Sew qed tghid vera... Pero dan mhux kas komuni dik li irrid nghid. Kas bhal dan ghandhu jkollu certu 'restrictions'. Ara kemm ilhom ghaddejin bihom dawn il kazi ta u jaf hawn minnhom li qas biss nafu bihom. Jien laktar haga li tini gewwa li dawn huma nies jmexxu l-kelma ta Alla u jghamlu affarijiet tal biza! Qas irrid nimagina min xiex ghaddew, tbatija ta vera. Meta tikumpara is 6 li jaf jghamlu fil habs ghat tbatija li sofrew dawn in nies fil hajja tahom, hi wisq ftit. Alinqas dik lopinjoni tieghi. Haqqhom izjed min hekk biex FORSI forsi ta.... jhossu ftit min dak li hassew u batew dawn in nies tul hajtihom. Hija wisq difficli tigi ftieghek wara trawma bhal dik. Biss biss il hsibijiet diga huma hafna!

John Zammit-Spiteri

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:34

@william flynn

M Mifsud was right! , what exactly is your point? your comments are vile and disgusting. Who are you to judge a whole institution?
Every institution has its black sheep , yet you are full of venom against the whole church which is not made of what you say. By the way paedophilia is disgusting as much as your comments. I dont wish to sound political but a certain political party committed criminal violent acts and we never heard " we are sorry" .

I dont think I will ever bother to answer a person like you who has a chip on his shoulder. You only want to see what you imagine.
Paedophiles are disgusting and are criminals, so are people who encourage religious hatred , they are just as criminal. Intollerance like yours brings about human misery. I am shocked that your comments are aired here.

Mr Tommy Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:57

But only ONE organisation treats child rape as a sin to be forgiven.

Thankfully the Church, in the name of the good God you don't believe in forgives not only child rape but every other sin no matter how grotesque, where there is true contrition.

So you would rather live in a vindictive state that seeks revenge than in a forgiving and reconciliatory one!!

Let him who is without sin cast the frist stone.

William Flynn

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:09

John Zammit-Spiteri

M Mifsud lacks the ability to comprehend plain, common language and as do you. You are a pair of blind apologists refusing to see the crime of concealment by the church authorities which is as clear as day to everyone else all over the world.

I couldn't care less what you think. It's the facts that matter and you can't see the facts; you will never see the facts. Just read these comments; the anger against the church and its bishops is palpable. I'm not writing them all.
The church and its leaders are as guilty as sin and they will be made to pay if it takes a hundred years. The people have had enough.

If anything, this newspaper and its editorial are too soft on the church. Everyone should be clamouring for a secular judicial enquiry.

Mr Kevin J Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:10

With all due respect Mr Zammit Spiteri, Mr Flynn is right

The church has hidden these child rape cases and so many thousands of others over its history. This is (a) a crime against humanity together with its other crimes and (b) by virtue of ordering the hiding of crimes (issued by the Pope), the Church is no worse than the mafia. At least the latter are open about being a criminal organisation and don't hide behind religion.

It should be eradicated completely

Albert Ostimani

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:31

If he's a priest who's able to rape, then he's probably able to lie too, right?

Mr Pierre Portelli

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:34

How can we continue to refer to such a man as 'father'? Mr. Scerri please!

Roberta Ferrante

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:32

well said, and I sincerely hope that they do not get released for good conduct before their full jail term.

Mr Hubert Paul Farrugia

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:38

They're pedos... they won't understand... and that is why they had to be locked for good!

adrian attard

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:48

The late GIGA received the Queen's pardon and was released for killing her son!

Wayne Criggs

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:44

@M Cassar

A wise and intelligent point, said at the right time.

I agree 100%.

Ruby Jenner

Aug 2nd 2011, 22:10

Well said, M Cassar. If it hadn't been for the victims speaking out and insisting this went all the way to the Vatican it would have been swept under the carpet.

Charlie Borg

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:33

Justice? Or something else, you're after?
I think you should leave that to the Judge of judges!

George Lewis

Aug 2nd 2011, 19:51

Is your comment not stretching to the limit of vengeance and not justice?May the dead rest in peace A lot of comments seem to be coming from people who are readily prepared to throw the first stone.

Mr Joe Gatt

Aug 3rd 2011, 10:49

@Charlie Borg & George Lewis

So by dieing, one`s wrong doings can be excused, hidden, swept under the Carpet.

So two individuals, are being sentenced, named and shamed, rightfully so too.

Yet another pervert is being considered clean and honest, escaping justice just because he died?

Is it a mentality that, if you are not caught stealing then you are not a thief, maybe considered a Saint?

Nothing to do with the Institution, but only if there was not an attempt to Cover up what was happening, in the process perhaps aiding further the rape of the Innocent, by Default.

We are taught that the Almighty will pass final judgement, that may be the case, but judgement should be passed here on Earth too.

The message should be quite clear.

No Matter What `YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT HIDE`

For no other reason but as a DETERENT.

Mr william cauchi

Aug 2nd 2011, 17:23

Celibacy??? what are you talking about??

Seeing what they did, they are surely not likely to be the marrying type......... to a woman to be exact!!.

We would need another referendum to permit marriage to the partner they have in mind.............

M. Mifsud

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:40

Mr.Fynn,

What's your point? Is it the case of the two priests. Is it the divorce issue? Is it the Prime Minister's vote on the question of Divorce?

Sorry but there was too much venom in your comment.

William Flynn

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:25

M.Mifsud

Don't apologise to me for your own lack of sense to see the connection of the dots in my argument.
The failure is all yours.

Judy Jones

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:40

These very courageous victims are to be commended for taking action and not giving up to expose the truth and protect kids. This is an extremely hard thing to do especially when the church officials fight victims with everything they’ve got. For years these victims kept their persistence, and finally got these predator priests in jail.
Hopefully others who have been harmed by clergy will also get to have their day in court. This is the only way to get this horrible abuse and cover up of these crimes exposed, and those responsible held accountable.
Children never deserve to be treated so horrific, so keep in mind your silence only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others.

Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA,
snapjudy@gmail.com
"Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests" and all clergy.
http://www.snapnetwork.org/

Judy Jones

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:43

These very courageous victims are to be commended for taking action and not giving up to expose the truth and protect kids. This is an extremely hard thing to do especially when the church officials fight victims with everything they’ve got. For years these victims kept their persistence, and finally got these predator priests in jail.
Hopefully others who have been harmed by clergy will also get to have their day in court. This is the only way to get this horrible abuse and cover up of these crimes exposed, and those responsible held accountable.
Children never deserve to be treated so horrific, so keep in mind your silence only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others.

Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA,
snapjudy at gmail dot com
"Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests" and all clergy.
SNAPNetwork dot org

Mr John Caruana

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:29

You are right in your comment if it was not for the fact that these abuses, and I am not only refering to the Maltese priests, have been going on for years and the church hierarchy covered them up and that for me is the real shame.

Unfotunately all organisations have bad apples it is a question of whether there is a will from the top echelons of that organisation to erdicate them or cover for them

Joseph A Borg

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:24

the worldwide church was put on trial because for decades it buried these cases with many of the original perpetrators. The institution failed to move with the times until it was put in the lime light. I assume other institutions do the same hiding and obfuscating what with the US military and sex abuse of male and female recruits. THere's enough to read on that online.

These are holy cows in the public's psyche that need to be made to conform with what's expected from all powerful institutions: public accountability and transparency commensurate with the power vested in them by society. I don't respect the church because it's made of holier people. I respect it because it does useful work for society in general. When that stops to be the case, I'll work and toil to bring it down.

carmel muscat

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:30

prosit tal kumment sabih tijjek kulhadt qed jinsa li meta tiponta subajk lejn xi hadt emm seba minnon jiponta lejk stess VOLDIRI HADT MA JAF GHADA jekk xi hadt min uliedna stess ghadx ikun huwa li jigi akkuzzat liabbuzza mit tfal

Mr Hubert Paul Farrugia

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:52

That is because you were not an ideal victim for them.... They groomed selectively.

John A. Gauci

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:20

Agree 100% with Ms D. Borg

Mr Joseph Micallef

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:16

Are you serious? NOT NORMAL PEOPLE? !!!!

Mr Guido Farrugia

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:17

Tell us you're kidding Mr. Agius, please tell us!!!!!!

susan pace

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:25

yes they are priests. normal people dont rape young boys. sick people do. And anybody fought guilty of rape and abuse of children should be named and shamed,

Albert Ostimani

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:29

Are you insane? What makes them different from "normal people" is that they choose to spend their life praying, ect. Thus, they still are to be put behind bars if they commit a serious crime. And fined too.

Mr Joseph Calleja

Aug 2nd 2011, 16:50

"They're priests, after all, not normal people. " Hellooooo Mr Agius. Hate to wake you up. Priests are normal people like you and I. Where do you come up with this ridiculous stuff?

M. Mifsud

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:09

Mr.Kurt Wasching. These two priests both have a right to appeal and they are just availing themselves of that right. Under the Maltese Constitution everyone has a right to an appeal. Therefore I don't think that they should renounce to this right. I don't think that it is right and fair at this stage, when the two priests both have a rightv to appeal from the judgement given, to go online and state that:-

"Both should repent and not appeal from the verdict.

This is the way Christians shall choose accepting the verdict and repent and undergo a therapy".

If these two priests have a right to appeal they should be allowed to carry on with their appeal without being chastised for taking their case to the Court of Appeal.

This is simply not fair


Kurt Mifsud

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:51

@M.Mifsud - Of course but what does that mean? It means the same thing as when they appointed the BEST lawyers in the country = GUILTY! And that's why I blame the whole church because it protects them, it pays for these lawyers, it hides these priests in schools and among children!

Mr Stephen Caruana

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:34

True these 'priests' should be given a sentence just the same way a normal person should.

However please note that there are hundreds of maltese priests both in Malta and abroad. 'If a lemon tree has one bad lemon, would that mean that the whole tree is bad' I don't think so.

Albert Ostimani

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:38

Exactly, you are completely right. At least they should have given 1 year for each case.

Mr edward ciantar

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:56

It is a total farce.

Jason Borg

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:06

Stop wasting your breath, Mr. Vella. They will never stop, not even if all the world's clergy are imprisoned or hanged.

Mr R ferriggi

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:06

your words clearly show that you were not a victim.

if you were,,, you PROBABLY would be talking a little bit different.

Andrew Azzopardi

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:17

Ernest,
I do not think people are trying to spew this hatred towrds the church with an alterior motive. people are angry at the church and they have many reasons to be angry.
I am sure nobody thinks that Everyone in the church is wrong and im sure people realise the good that the church has done, but on t.he other hand the church has lied, cheated and abused people without justice.
I do not agree with false and unfair accutasions but i do think that the Church needs to wake up and progress!
I personally think the Church has done more good than harm, but yet the church has become an arrogant monster that needed to be adressed!

Ian Chetcuti

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:33

Mr Vella, I don't think anybody ever said that all priests were chid abusers. The church had been criticised all over the world for the way it protected these perverts and move them around from one parish to the next. One of these two criminals who were sentenced today is on the run from Canadian justice. And yet, when he came back to Malta, he was placed in St Joseph's home for boys. Do you think that was a good move?

Kurt Mifsud

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:38

Lanqas taf x'qed tghid Ernest. Meta kont skola dawn il-qassisin flimkien ma ohrajn li ma ssemmewx aw jew ax mietu jew ax sparixxew, kienu jigru ma saqajna. Kienu ilhom snin ghaddejin biha, ta l-anqas 15-il sena qabel ma dhalna ahna, jien illum ghandi 28 sena, ghax tkellimt ma nies li kienu old boys qabli u kienu jinnutaw certu karezzi ma certu tfal. Tigix tghidli li l-qassisin l-ohra ma kienux jafu! Mela hatja daqshom!

Loreto Camilleri

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:52

I agree with you 100%,we all forget about all the good preists.

Mr Joseph Calleja

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:56

Mr Vella, most priests are good loving and giving priests but there are the few that make it look bad for the rest. These three pedophile priests, not to mention the other 13 mentioned above priest pedophiles abused innocent children and should be punished. If anybody is vomiting, it is you. The reason people are attacking the church is because the church did it's utmost to hide these atrocities and that makes the church just as guilty if not more. A good example is the Curia Response Team who after ten years of investigations is still running round in circles and searching for a conclusion. I rest my case.

A Dimech

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:11

Alfred - this is no longer a "judgement" but a FACT!!! These two priests are now criminals - and proved as such by a criminal law.

I also believe that in Malta we have another law - that not to obstruct the course of justice. A question for the police is:- did the church obstruct the course of justice? did they hide crime? If the answer is yes, (judgement at this stage), then the church is implicit in this doing as well.



Mr Michael Camileri

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:26

Mr Gatt

Are you suggesting that their sexual abuse towards these people is justified putting into consideration the good they have done for Maltese society?

Sounds a very sick and twisted logic if you ask me...

D. Tanti

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:48

Mr. Camilleri, naħseb tant int ħerqan li titfa t-tajn fuq is-saċerdoti li lanqas fhimt dak li qal Mr. Alfred Gatt. Hu ma qalx li dak li għamlu huwa ġġustifikat minħabba l-ġid li għamlu lis-soċjeta.

Dak li għamlu huwa ħażin. Imma ma tistax tikkundanna lis-saċerdoti kollha jew il-Knisja...għax żbaljaw tnejn!!

Jekk bi żball ta' tnejn, tikkundanna s-saċerdoti kollha, allura "..that sounds a very sick and twisted logic!"

Mr Michael Camileri

Aug 3rd 2011, 07:46

Thankyou D Tanti

My misunderstanding! Thanks for clarifying

Anthony Borg

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:03

02/08/2011 14:03

If such cases of child abuse by local priests were hidden from the reach of the State’s justice, in my opinion, both bishops should resign forthwith.

No more petty excuses of “protecting the flock” – the “flock” were people who tended sheep at the time.
Today’s congregations are not dumb sheep.

A Dimech

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:06

Absolutely - there are many nuns and priests working hard for the society. 100% agree.

However, what most people disagree with it the church as an institution which "hides" this deeds. That is a conscious decision with the higher authorities in the church have taken - to hide and protect crime. That is unacceptable - and it masks all the good work which other priests do on a daily basis.

Mr Patrick Zammit

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:03

A bad church exists, one which protects pedophile priests.

Mr R ferriggi

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:08

u are right but it does not change anything.....

bad priests do exist,,, as do holy priests.

lets call bad bad. not try to change the wording.

John Scerri

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:12

Maybe the time will come when we 'll see some MP or high ranking professional tax evader going to jail for not paying taxes or corruption

Colin Stanley

Aug 2nd 2011, 15:48

yes maybe same sex marriage next, dream on.

Kurt Mifsud

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:35

Don't worry Jason, it's gonna be a looong loooong time for them. Hope you do know what happens to paedophiles in jail :)

Philip Hili

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:18

@ Charlie Borg

To produce a "soap opera"!!!! Ma drajtux issa?

Mr Hubert Paul Farrugia

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:24

For your info, he was head of the group representing the victims (a little click on 'Related articles' would have been enough to clarify this)

David Caruana

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:26

Tajba din! So when a journalist does his job, we say that he is PRODUCING drama.

Philip, Lou doesn't need to produce anything - the drama has been PRODUCED by these priests and the Church which dragged its feet to punish the guilty

Mr L Zammit

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:59

Kuntent sur Borg. Basta tfajt dubju fuq Bondi'. Kif kollha l-istess timxu! Dejjem hekk kontu u ma titbiddlu QATT.

Philip Hili

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:59

@ hubert paul Farrugia

Mr Farrugia,
As far as I know because this was said by Mr. Lawrence Grech, the head who represented the victims was Mr. Lawrence Grech himself and not Mr Lou Bondi'.

We on earth know that in the first palace, Mr. Lou Bondi came in this matter because he wanted to produce a program on a TV station. These are facts that could not be denied. I do not know whether I will be correct if I say that the public became more aware of this case was because of the program aired by a TV station which produces Lou Bondi' programs.

That is where my comment comes in!!

@ David Caruana

David, there is a way how a journalist does his job and there is a way!!!
If in your opinion Lou Bondi' doesn't need to produce anything, he is collaborating to the production of such dramas.

Mr Karl Consiglio

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:19

He supports them, whats wrong with that?

Philip Hili

Aug 3rd 2011, 00:51

@Mr Karl Consiglio

X E J N !!!!!!

Id-dahhaqniex Karl.

Matthew Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:14

"And they are up for a hard time."

Well it would be pretty redundant for them to have an 'easy time' in prison.

They;ve only got 5/6 years, which will be reduced dramatically because of good behavior and what not. Forgive us for not doing our utmost to see no harm comes to them.

Mr W Cassar

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:16

Im sorry but I disagree!!

Mr Kyle Boffa

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:01

so you want to basically protect paedophiles and that they do not come to any harm?

Simon Hansford

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:05

Did they care of those in their care at such innocent ages? Did they act and behaved civilly when they raped and molested the then boys that had no one else to look up too ? Where they acting Christian like ? Did they act fairly when it was their responsibility to care and protect ? Have they not ruined the lives of these victims ?

Philip Hili

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:24

@ Carmel Zammit

You better not judge others who acted in the most charitable manner because one day you will find somebody else who might judge you the same way you are judging others!!!!!

Qabel ma tqabbez lil Dr. Deborah Schembri fin-nofs, ahjar tkun taf l-affarijiet l-ewwel!!

Anthony Borg

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:13


Maybe it’s sarcasm, maybe not?

Ms S Micallef

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:01

as disgusted as i am with what happened i don't think it's fair to label all priests and nuns in the same way.

Many priests and nuns are good people and do a lot for society. The nuns of Mother Theresa, the nuns at the creche amongst many others do excellent work.

We should always look out for signs and be careful, peadophiles could be lurking everywhere.

Mr D Galea

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:25

Wendy, Today in the Church Schools one find many teachers which are neither priests nor nuns but lay people as me and you. So does not make such a difference where you would send your daughter.

TuffyDavies Davidson

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:33

Yes i agree Mr.Micallef there are some good people and naturally you are quite right we can't paint every one with the same brush, but these are only few and far in between, and mother Theresa is a good example of how a good priest or a nun should be. HENCE GIVE ALL HER earthly WEALTH TO HELP THE POOR-THE SICK AND THE DYING. I just wish some priests and nuns will take a leaf from here goodwill, then we shall all live happily ever after.

Mr Kevin J Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:58

Great point and great words ... this is tyranny to say the least

Mr V Mercieca

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:12

I believe that every Catholic person can answer that question and you don’t have to wait for the archbishop for a reply.

As Catholics we know there are venial and mortal sins. The two examples you mentioned are surly mortal sins.

Divorce is a civil law and people can use this law, however if they are Catholics, they know that morally it is wrong to use it.

Abuse and rape is always wrong and not only when performed by priests.

Philip Hili

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:34

@ A Dimech

Ma tahrablik okkazjoni biex issawwat lill-knisja!!!!

Dan jissejjah ANTIKLERIKALIZMU.

Billi tirraguna hekk l-argument li tkun ghamilt jekk taghamel argument, twaqqghu kollu.

A Dimech

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:02

@ Philip Hili;
I am anticlerical - and proud of it!!
I want Malta to become more secular in its ideas and to open its eyes. My arguments are valid 100%, and you know perfectly well they are.

J. Galea

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:03

Minn ma ghandu l-ebda htija jwaddab l-ewwel gebla......................

Richard Borg

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:04

May they burn in hell and never find any peace within their wretched souls.

Steve Elliott

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:56

That's like saying if the Yorkshire ripper was a carpenter instead of a truck driver he would not have killed his victims using a hammer

Alistor Aguis

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:20

I think sex is different...when one is deprived of it there is a certain frustration that needs to be released.

Steve Elliott

Aug 2nd 2011, 14:33

that makes it ok then does it?

Alistor Aguis

Aug 3rd 2011, 10:52

No I quite clearly did not say that.What I said is that to avoid creating more sexually frustrated child molesting monsters the church should consider letting the priests be the men that they are and get married.

Steve Elliott

Aug 3rd 2011, 13:42

then they cant be priests,simple

francis agius

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:38

Oh, come on, behave

Jos Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:25

A Dimech, agreed 100%...let us not forget that there as we speak there is an ex high public profile who is serving his jail term in Attard hospital....well ..... this is truely preferential.

Ms M Sciberras

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:09

agree with you 100%!!

A Dimech

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:20

The wheat is also on the front page. Only you are looking in the wrong page. The Wheat is the victims who found the courage to speak out against tyranny from people who where part of the church and most probably protected by the same church.

Similar cases were reported abroad.

There is wheat - plenty of it - just look in the right place Joseph!

Stephen Tonna

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:24

Because there is no wheat

Mr Alan Delia

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:41

Because in this case the weed was posing as wheat while performing evil acts. That's why it has made front page news.

Kenneth Grima

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:57

there is a whole section on this site dedicated to Religion, don't tell me that the church doesn't have enough propaganda? radio stations, tv stations etc.. etc..we know a lot about the church what the church want us to know but what about all the rest that the church tells you ''OSTRU IBNI OSTRU'' that means ''KEEP IT SECRET & TO YOURSELF MY SON KEEP IT SECRET & TO YOURSELF'' disgusting.

An. Caucchi

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:23

They are PERSONS and they have to pay EXACTLY like any other sex-offender. I still think 6 years are NOTHING compared to what they did. I would put them in jail and destroy the key.

O. Tretyak

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:46

"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."

Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller

Vicki Azzopardi

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:16

I totally agree with you Mandy, they should have been given a much longer sentence, considering what they had done to these poor kids ......

Mr P Bonnici

Aug 2nd 2011, 13:14

Any one who knew of these crimes and did not come forward with evidence is complicit in crime and therefore guilty of a crime.

I think the sentence is severe enough for these priests, they will suffer much more than other prisoners in prison, but I hope the authorities do not permit further retribution on these priests, they will suffer enough.

Claire Abela

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:11

Well said, fully agree!!

E Schembri

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:24

What a crap statement!

What about the other victims of sexual abuse by relatives??? These are far more common than the case of these three priests. Or do you really believe that ONLY priests are pedophiles?

The truth behind your comments is to insinuate hatred against the church. You don't really care about the victims. You seem to be enjoying taking a free ride on the suffering of these victims to spite the church.

If you have any proof that other clergy tried to silence these victims by threats, then pass on the names to the police....otherwise SHUT UP!

Ray Gatt

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:26

What do you expect to hear towards the church, praise? Why is the church dragging so long? We all know the church hides these incidents. You only have to go back a couple of years when a priest in Gozo tried to bribe the mother of a minor girl to silence her regarding two Gozitan men who abused the minor. Did the church do anything about the corrupt priest? What happened to this case? Is it all under the carpet?

JOSEPH VELLA

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:39

Don't be surprised we keep on hearing and reading anti-clerical articles because since the divorce issue I was surprised with hatred I read from these anti-clerical individuals.

Kenneth Cassar

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:07

"but if these criminals come out of prison as lay men it's going to be much easier for them to abuse other children!".

The opposite is the case. It would be easier to abuse children when children are actually under your care.

Denise formosa

Aug 2nd 2011, 11:51

allura ma tahsibx li il knisja ghamlet hazin ghal dawk li hbiet?

I Bugeja

Aug 2nd 2011, 11:59

Il-knisja titfa lil kulhadd f'keffa wahda ghalfejn ma nistghux ahna namlu l-istess biha?

Andrew Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:02

Uzgur li tigi attakata il-knisja habib! Meta jkun hemm ghaqda u xi hadd li jifforma parti minn din l-ghaqda jizbalja, l-ghaqda kollha tigi attakata. Anka il-partiti politici, meta xi membru minn taghhom jizbalja, l-partit kollu jigi attakat. Il-knisja mhi xejn inqas. Tizbalja u qatt ma titghallem. Alla biss jaf kemm hemm aktar kazi li huma mohbija.

Mr Ernest Vella

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:04

Denise, dawn hadu li haqqhom...imma li nattakkaw il-Knisja inkunu qeghdin nattakkaw lil tant qassisin li m'ghandhomx x'jaqsmu ma dan kullu u ghamlu biss gid

Gordon Swain

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:09

M'ghamlitx tajjeb, imma jezistu certu sitwazzjoniet fejn l-ahjar haga hi li toqghod kwiet. Hija hasra li jsiru dawn l-affarijiet moqziza, iktar u iktar min bniedem religjuz.

l-ikbar hasra pero hija li bhala poplu malti ihobb jiggeneralizza, u jekk ftit patrijiet ghamlu hazin, jehlu l-patrijiet u religjuzi kollha, meta nafu li dawn jaghmlu tant gid ma min hu fil-bzonn u hafna drabi ma jkunx apprezat.

Bhal f'kull haga ahbar hazina tinxtered malajr, imma nixtieq nirringrazja lir-religjuzi kollha ghal-gid kollu li jaghmlu.

Naqbel mija fil-mija li min ghamel hazin haqqu kundanna

Philip Hili

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:46

Prosit Ernest.

Issa, li dak li xtaqu l-vittmi haduh u saret gustizzja maghhom, u jidru kuntenti li saret gustizzja, nispera li dan il-kapitlu inghalaq u ma jergax ikun hemm xi hadd li jqabbez dan il-kaz fin-nofs sforz ir-rieha ta' antiklerikalizmu li dan jista' jkollu u allura, jintalbu kemm jintalbu skuzi u jinghataw kemm jinghataw sentenzi qatt ma jkun kuntent dan ix-xi hadd ghax l-ghan tieghu u li jizra' l-antiklerikalizmu fost iz-zaghzagh.

Nisper wkoll li dan is-suggett ma jergax jitqajjem ma ' l-wasla ta' l-Elezzjoni Generali!! bhal ma sar dan l-ahhar waqt il-kampanja tar-referendum dwar id-divorzju!!!

Carlos Espinal

Aug 2nd 2011, 12:12

seconded

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