Updated - Priests found guilty of child abuse
Victims request 'gesture' from the Church
Adds new video - Two priests have been sentenced to six years and five years, respectively, after being convicted of sexually abusing boys at St Joseph Home in Hamrun.
They have given notice of appeal.
Fr Charles Pulis was sentenced to six years in jail after nine cases were proven against him. Eight took place in the home and another in Marfa.
Fr Godwin Scerri was sented to five years in jail on conviction of similar charges.
Sentence was delivered by Magistrate Saviour Demicoli in a judgement of over 100 pages, bringing to an end a case which first came to public attention in September 2003.The cases happened some 20 years ago.
The priests will appeal.
VICTIMS' REACTION
The victims welcomed the verdict.
"I am very satisfied. Many victims were scared of speaking out, this will help the truth to come out in more cases," Lawrence Grech told timesofmalta.com.
"They did a lot of harm, some of the victims ended up taking drugs, some have died. That hurt will never go away, Mr Grech said, with tears in his eyes.
He said that he hoped the process in the Church would now be concluded soon and that these two priests would be removed from the priesthood immediately.
It was regrettable, he said, that the Church process had taken too long and the apology given some months ago was not enough.
EIGHT-YEAR-OLD CASE
The court case started eight years ago.
The accused, Fr Godwin Scerri and Fr Charles Pulis stood expressionless in the dock as the judgement was read out, a process which took almost two hours.
They were charged with abusing 11 boys who were in their care. Fr Scerri was charged, on his own, of raping a boy at Marfa. He was acquitted of that charge because the rape had not taken place at Marfa, but at St Joseph Home.
In its verdict, the court said it agreed with the prosecution that this case was not time-barred.
The court said cases were proven against Fr Pulis in eight cases which occurred at St Joseph Home and another in Marfa.
The court noted that Fr Scerri had claimed he was not in Malta when the cases happened. There were two departure stamps on his passport- September 1985 and July 1990. There were no arrival stamps but the departure ones indicated he must have been in Malta for some time between the two departure dates, the court said.
The accused originally stood charged together with a third, who passed away last January, aged 63.
The victims, who were then aged between 13 and 16, were resident at St Joseph’s Home in Sta Venera in the late 1980s when the abuse took place.
The court had banned the publication of the priests’ names and the case was heard behind closed doors. At the same time, the Church Response Team initiated an investigation.
Under the gaze of the world’s media, the victims were last year given a private audience with the Pope in Malta. The Vatican promised it would look into their case following criticism of the Response Team, which had not yet concluded its investigation seven years on.
Subsequently, the victims held a private meeting with Archbishop Paul Cremona and Gozo Bishop Mario Grech.
In an interview with The Sunday Times, in June 2010, Archbishop Cremona apologised for the delay in the Church investigation. The Vatican’s Promoter of Justice in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Mgr Charles Scicluna, held meetings in Malta with some of the victims. He compiled their testimony and passed on the details to the Response Team.
Last October, the victims received a letter informing them that their cases were “founded” and the matter would be referred to the Vatican. Then, in January this year, the Vatican instructed the Maltese Church to set up a tribunal to conduct the judicial process into the abuse allegations
In April, Lawrence Grech – who became the spokesman for the victims – accused the Church of delaying tactics as regards its own tribunal, pending the outcome of the criminal court case.
However, in May, a member of the tribunal hearing the case against the priests met the victims to formalise evidence they gave to the Vatican’s chief sex abuse prosecutor last summer.
OTHER CASES
In April last year, the Curia reported that four Maltese priests were found guilty of the sexual abuse of minors and punished after their case was referred to the Holy See by the Church's response team.
Their punishment varied from not allowing them to exercise their ministry to limiting their pastoral work so that they could not work with minors and being placed under supervision.
The Curia also said that the response team, which was set up in 1999, had received a total of 84 allegations of child abuse, involving 45 Maltese priests.
Some of these cases went back to the 1970s. The response team had found a basis for the allegations made against 13 of the 45 cases.
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ray alamango
Aug 4th 2011, 09:01
Now that the hearing is over and the sentence was given, the two so called priests are appealing against the verdict, it’s better for them to make an apology to those who suffered because of them, those who trusted them blind folded. To get locked up for five years is nothing compared to the damage done to all those individuals who were abused during there hardest times of there lives, they should appeal to the magistrate to lock them in and throw the key in the ocean. It’s a shame on them and all those who tried to cover up their crime. Another apology must go to the church and clergy for the bad reputation and humiliation they facing because of them, and the last apology must be given to their families whom they let down with lots of pain.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 4th 2011, 08:37
@Adele Mintoff. (4 Aug 2011 00.23 hrs)
Nowhere have I said anything that these deplorable crimes are “a fairytale gone wrong!!!!!!” The “shame” should be felt by you for making that false insinuation and for your irresponsible speculation as to how I would react in any similar cases affecting my immediate family. Something like that did happen (not involving a priest) and I duly reported the matter promptly to the police and left them to their job without my making the slightest attempt to profit financially
I am correcting where you are wrong. Filthy lucre does not cure or compensate for any psychological harm resulting from the molestation of children. It only fattens the bank deposits of victims and their lawyers. If any compensation is to be paid, that has to be paid by the culprit himself, not by his relatives nor by innocent members of his organisation who actually resent his criminal behaviour.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 16:22
I would have thought that the audience given by H.H. the Pope to the victims of these priests, the apologies from our Bishops and the defrocking of the priests were all very clear "gestures from the Church".
Let me venture a guess. The vindictive persecutors of the Catholic Church as a whole are after the only "gesture" acceptable to those in perpetual search for the acquisition of the "root of all evil". This gesture is expressed in euros and cents but those who demand it are too squeamish to admit it.
Raymond Sammut
Aug 3rd 2011, 16:59
No need to venture a guess in so far as the 'gesture' is concerned.
The 'gesture' was never forthcoming. So much so, Dr Gonzi Quote:"...accused the Church of delaying tactics as regards its own tribunal, pending the outcome of the criminal court case.":Unquote
Now that the court case has come to a conclusion, the question to be answered is: who was behind the 'delaying tactics'? I do not think it was Bishop Cremona.
Ms G Portelli
Aug 3rd 2011, 19:41
Again Sir , stop defending the indefensible, social justice demands it. Stop belittling the trauma of these victims by your comments. Yes we all know there is no greater love than yours for the Church, perhaps you should focus your zeal on the healing process instead of denigrating the victims.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 21:26
@Ms G Portelli.
I do not belittle the trauma of these victims. I am not so gullible as believe that pecuniary settlements could contribute anything to healing that "trauma" although it certainly would fatten the bank accounts of victims and their lawyers.
P.S. I take your statement that "there is no greater love than yours for the Church" as a compliment. Please understand that my admiration for the Church of Christ does not extend to individual members who sin against its teaching and bring disgrace to it.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 21:31
@Raymond Sammut.
There can be no doubt that the delay by the victims to lodge a report with the police soon after the event was a major contributory factor until the jingle of dollars from across the Atlantic started to jog memories and hopes.
Adele Mintoff
Aug 4th 2011, 00:23
You make it sound like a fairytale gone wrong!!!!!! Shame!!! I'm sure that you or your son (if you have one) have never been trapped between the legs of a paedophile Mr Saliba!!! Correct me if I'm wrong please. And yes ofcourse compensation to the victims should be a must!!!!! What makes you think that psychological or psychiatric help is not needed after such trauma????? Who should pay for it?????
Charles Sammut
Aug 3rd 2011, 13:41
" Fr Scerri was charged, on his own, of raping a boy at Marfa. He was acquitted of that charge because the rape had not taken place at Marfa, but at St Joseph Home".
Ok...so how about charging this child rapist of rape at St.Joseph's Home now?!!?
Who was it who made the "mistake" on the charge sheet by jotting down the wrong place? Will he/she be sacked from his/her position?!?
They are out on bail pending their appeal!!?? What a farce, what a sham...how ridicilous!!
Let us hope these two will be incarcerated with other inmates, so that they will get a taste of their own disgusting medicine!
Any comments from the Archbishop?? Any word from the Curia that these two despicable criminals will be defrocked now that they have been found guilty of these henious crimes, or will they be posted to some other diocese once/if they serve their sentence?!?
..and the beat goes on...and the beat goes on.....
M. Mifsud
Aug 3rd 2011, 21:45
Mr. Sammut,
You wrote:-
"Fr Scerri was charged, on his own, of raping a boy at Marfa. He was acquitted of that charge because the rape had not taken place at Marfa, but at St Joseph Home".
Ok...so how about charging this child rapist of rape at St.Joseph's Home now?!!?"
I have a news for you. In all democracies that follow the Roman Law model their is one basic principle which is fundamental in all criminal codes that follow the Roman Law that is "ne ibis in idem" which means one can only be charged with a crime only ones. So Fr. Scerri cannot be charged again with rape. He was charged, e was tried and he was acquitted of that particular charge. That's it. Just once. The law is there for all. Everyone is the same before the law. Even Fr Scerri. Whether we like it or not.
End of story.
C Muscat
Aug 3rd 2011, 13:19
I have seen practically no comments re child molestations coming from internl homes from relatives such as parents, step parents, family friends etc. All child molesters whether priests or other members should be in a public register. Similarly I would add drug pushers. The society needs to be defended from these very bad crimes.
Mr Carmelo Aquilina
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:58
the church has hidden other cases of abuse and obstructign and delaying justice- that's why we condemn the church and if its good name is beign sullied then it has only itself to blame !
Steve Pace
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:37
"The Archbishop's Curia has confirmed it has never reported any cases in which it found members of the clergy guilty of sexual abuse during their pastoral ministry, to the police "
Buttigieg himself claimed "If anything there is a moral obligation "
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2006/05_06/2006_06_11_Vella_CuriaSays.htm
It seems morality in institutions is as flexible as chewing gum !
Christina Pace
Aug 3rd 2011, 11:40
Hmm! Hold on a minute! So Fr. Pulis gets 6 years for 9 (that we know of) cases of sexually abusing a minor. That is an average of less than 8 months for each abuse. And here I was thinking the courts know that the sentence for indecent assault is 3 to 9 years as prescribed by Chapter 9 Art. 198 of the Laws of Malta.
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Aug 3rd 2011, 13:10
Although you quoted Art 198 of the Criminal Code, you failed to consider other provisions of the Code about punishments, especially Article 18. I am answering on the point of law, in general, and not on the particular case, as the impression you give may be misleading.
Franco Attard Trevisan
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:20
How can the court let free 2 convicted child rapists? Are they gonna be under house arrest at least under supervision?? These are a danger to the kids on the island if they are left free to walk around HELLOOO!!!!!! WAKE UP COURTS!!!!!!
And this is all because they are priests!! Would the court have granted bail to people who aren't churchmen charged with the same crime ??? I surely hope not and am disgusted my the court's decision!
These so called priests have been found guilty!!!
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 11:32
@Franco Attard Trevisan.
If these priests are let out on bail it won't be "because they are priests" but because the court so agrees as in all similar cases. The priests would not be receiving any special preferential treatment - they would be treated just like everybody else. But that is not what you want. You want that they be discriminated against simply because they are priests. I am disgusted by your biased and discriminatory attitude against priests.
jonathan brincat
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:22
MR saliba francis they should double penalties for priests because i think priests are there to give an example not rape chidren. i mean if u wanted to rape children atleast dont be a priest
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 13:10
@Jonathan Brincat.
There is no question of my "wanting to rape children" and therefore "at least not becoming a priest". As far as I am concerned, raping children is taboo for priests just as it is for everybody else e.g school employees, boy scouts, sports clubs for children etc. You isolate priests for special condemnation because your aim is not to protect children from all kinds of adult child predators but because religion does not go down well with you.
paula tanti
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:10
What is disgusting is the 6 year sentence.
8 months per child is offensive to me, a Maltese citizen, knowing that if my child was raped by a priest the most he will get is 8 months. Its an abomination!
I am not surprised the victims are relieved because acknowledgement is a huge part of healing (when there has been none for so long) and today they received a form of acknowledgement that they were abused. I commend their efforts and tenacity.
I too have been a plaintiff bringing a case forward and I too felt joy because of the acknowledgment granted when the injustice (a job dismissal) was recognized in the form of a monetary offer... but as time went by .... I realized that instead of the $7000 for my dismissal I should have listened to my lawyer who had told me "think of your darkest hour" . I was too happy to do such a thing. At the time my elation that I was actually receiving acknowledgement over rode everything. As my excitement died down and I remembered all of what the dismissal had meant to me and I regretted not fighting for more.
These two frauds have the arrogance of appealing which gives you another chance to stiffen the sentence. Unlike my case which only mattered to me, your case is symbolic and will send a message to all priests whose sexual repression expresses itself through the rape of children.
Ms Louise Vella
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:08
I strongly urge Prime Minister Gonzi to set up an independent Commission, to enquire if criminal behaviour has occurred, or is occurring, in Malta by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is not in a special category that should be exempted and protected from legal action. The police should immediately confiscate all papers on abusive priests hidden in the curia’s secret archives. It beggars belief how the government seems to condone the atrocious behaviour by the Catholic Church. We cannot just sit idly and hope that bishops do the right thing because they are not.
The archbishop still consciously continues to shield from public exposure and police investigation priests who abuse children. Bishops Cremona and Grech must come up urgently with a full and public accounting of what has occurred over the years. We want the names and localities of Maltese priest child molesters. We want our bishops to be completely transparent as silence and secrets are the fuel of sexual abuse. We just need the secrecy to stop and focus on protecting children in every way possible. We expect the bishops to tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 11:44
@ Louise Vella.
Why do you insist on an independent Commission "to enquire if criminal behaviour has occurred, or is occurring, in Malta by the Catholic Church" and only by the Catholic Church. Why not also by all the other groups (even close family member) of the victims?
Let me give you the obvious answer. Because you are not interested in protecting child victims from their predators wherever they occur throughout society. You want to vent your spleen against religion and priests. And because you have no shame to try and involve the Prime Minister as an accomplice in your vendetta.
Ms D Galea
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:07
Are you using the word "WE" as the royal prerogative or are you speaking officially in the name of some group ?
Children should be protected from abuse of any sort, including. racist indoctrination and xenophobic sentiments that flood public blogs at very regular intervals especially during the summer months when boat loads of irregular immigrants drown in the waters around us in their bid for a better life for themselves and their families.
Mr Tommy Vella
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:14
"The archbishop still consciously continues to shield from public exposure and police investigation priests who abuse children".
How do you know?
If other abuses occurred all that is the required is for the victims, or members of their family to talk, as in this case steps will be taken I'm sure.
Joe Fenech
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:07
A gesture? What do you want? Another child to prey on? You should be locked in solitary confinement with 30 whip lashes a day.
Mr Mario P. Sciberras
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:51
"...but the challenge of living a celibate life and intimacy deficits can cause men to act out in inappropriate ways...." (John Jay College Study). I am not, in any way whatsoever condoning what happened, but maybe it is time to concentrate more and more on possible causes for this world wide phenomenon.
The guilty must be punished but also reform must take place to ensure that such occurances are kept to a minimum.
We must start by accepting that the human spirit is not always strong enough to fight temptation, The priests are no different. Many are strong but a percentage of them are weak. That is nature for you.
Save these people from themselves and save the victims.
Mr Tommy Vella
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:23
"maybe it is time to concentrate more and more on possible causes for this world wide phenomenon."
This world-wide phenomenon is not reserved just to priests and we all know the cause for it, it is due to our negation of values, and by our I mean all mankind. We are liberal, so anyhthing goes as long as it pleases me, why should anyone tell me what I should do?
Don't get me wrong, child abuse is a heinious crime BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE being committed. I always look at MY sin as a weakness which should be excused but the sins of others should be punished harshly
Let him who is without sin cast the first stonne.
Christina Pace
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:45
The Roman Catholic Church must obviously think its constituents are idiots. This so called church of Christ will spend 300,000 euros canpaigning against divorce with their major argument being that children end up being the victims in a divorce but will also spend (God only knows how much Giannella charged this time) good money to pay for a lawyer to defend child sex abusers.
See if I was working for such a company I would resign immediately. I would not want to be associated with any institution that does this kind of crap. More over the scandal in question is something that deeply disgusts me, goes totally against what I know to be right.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 11:22
@Christina Pace.
The Church does not have constituents. It has members that throughout its ranks,from top to bottom,are all acknowledged sinners. That applies to all humanity including you and me. You belong to that universal company of sinners, whether you admit it or not, and also if your genteel ladyship considers it to be disgusting "crap".
Directing your venom exclusively at the Church to the exclusion of all other organisations dealing with young people - including family members - only exposes the chip on your shoulder and your anti-Church bias.
C Muscat
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:43
Nearly 300 comments and nobody got the point that we are talking about human beings - all humans err- it is very bad to err - and this act is very bad i suggested that a public register for these persons to be published because i believe it will be a deterrent but these come from families that one of them had a heroic father that jumped into a well to save a life; these persons will not become priests for such behaviour and to some it is a mental type of disorder. I condemn vehemently these acts and really feel sorry for the victims of all sides in such a sorry situation. But likewise I take the opportunity to condemn drugs, alcohol and usury (very high interests on loans) that are likewise eroding our society.
Steve Pace
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:17
I Just wonder where Joe Zammit who had said that NO MALTESE PRIEST was found guilty of abuse is by now. No more guaranteed victories and no more war against evil.
Ruby Jenner
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:04
I was wondering the exact same thought. He has gone very quiet.
Adele Mintoff
Aug 3rd 2011, 14:21
Joe Zammit must have knocked himself out with some strong sleeping tablets lately.' No Maltese Priest was fouind guilty of abuse' ye right! And these are only the first two.... just wait and see how fast the list is going to grow once others will pluck up the courage to speak up!!! The unfortunate truth is that victims have been proven to be the most vulnerable kids mainly in their care which leaves little or no choice to speak up until they reach adulthood.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:15
reading these disgusting comments make me shudder at the hate that exists in some of your comments.
Let me remind you all that paedophilia is a very disgusting act, so is spreading hate and propaganda against an institution.
I shall never speak in favour of anyone who has abused minors, but we have to be frank here.
Justice has been served. But there are other cockroaches as well said in one of the comments,
The worst are when child abuse takes place within the family, when parents or siblings are the culprits!
I will never justify these acts, but from some of you who can slide fingers in a key board and vomit all this venom again makes me think,
Raymond Sacco
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:06
"paedophilia is a very disgusting act"..............................and so is protecting paedophiles mr. zammit spiteri. something which you seem to cannot understand, or should i say don't want to understand!
Mr Peter Bonello
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:44
Tajjeb ukoll, min jaf minn fejn gabu il-Flus biex ihalsu avukata bhal Gianella? Qassis normali mhux ha jkollu dawk il flus kolla jigifieri probabli sab l-ghajnuna mghand il-kurja... l-Istess organizazjoni li haditha tant be kbira meta il poplu idecida ghad divorzju!! Ahjar jaraw it travu taghhom mhix xaghra fl-ghagina... issa issibuh semhom fis sema dal-qassisin!! Flokk jamettu l-hazen li wetqu, jiddispjecihom u isservu il kundanna taghhom fejn forsi ikollhom cans jimmeditaw u jirrealizzaw il hazen li wetqu!! imissihom jisthu!! Jiena nemmen li hemm hafna qassisin twajba imma il-mod kif il-kurja qed tiprotegi lil dal-hmieg, huwa verament disgustanti!!
Mario Grima
Aug 3rd 2011, 07:00
Just very recently we had the bishops who had verociously condemed divorce, but on this issue little or almost nothing was stated, except for a mild apology from Bishop Cremona. I would have expected that our bishops, especially Mario Grech, to have focused more on this serious issue rather than using all their energies on divorce, which sooner rather than later had also to be introduced in Malta..
For eight long years the church has dragged its feet on this case and there appears no end to this case. At least the civil proceedings are over, save for the appeals. We hope that the church concludes its own investigation, which I would not expect to be different from those of the Maltese Courts, and financially compensates all tthe victims.
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:11
The question of divorce and corruption of minors are two distinct things. Opposition to divorce is a doctrinal matter, to which the Church cannot renounce, even with civil legislation in place. Corruption of minors is a criminal act, with rules established and can be changed by the state. So many are clamouring for the reduction of the age from 18 to 16 for example. And we have so many minor pregnant girls whose cases do not come to court.
As to financial compensation this is also regulated by our civil laws. Who is responsible for the damage ? If the damage arises from a criminal act, and criminal responsibility is personal, who answers ? It may be added that our laws do not allow for moral damages (apart from specific cases laid down by law, which areof no relevance in such cases). Our law on damages is different,for example, from the American system.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:21
All of you who are writing and vomitting all this venom against the church, makes me really see this, " YOU ARE NOT AGAINST PAEDOPHILES, YOU ARE ONLY CHURCH HATERS." All of you should be ashamed writing in this manner, This anti church campaign stems from many things.
Why all this Anti Church hatred? Paedophiles come from everywhere and they should be hunted down. Why are we focusing on one side of society?
Arent we telling paedophiles to continue abusing children within the family? within sport complexes within many other places. This anti church drama will have its negative effect on us all. It is sending a message to all paedophiles to act within other venues and go unnoticed. Shame on you lot.
Raymond Sacco
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:36
@joe brincat LLD:
"The question of divorce and corruption of minors are two distinct things"...........i totally agree. but mr. grima is not comparing these issues, he is comparing the catholic church's reaction to these issues! and while the church's reaction to divorce was ferocious, as mr grima commented, it's reaction towards paedophilia within it, was just covert silence! thinking about all this, the expression "wolves in sheep's clothing" comes to mind!
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:34
@Raymond Sacco. I do not think that the Bishops either condone divorce (which is a doctrinal matter) or corruption of minors. (paedophilia is sex with prepubescent children). It is heart breaking to any community or organisation which upholds certain values, and speaks out about them, to have a few in their midst who do the opposite.
The expression of wolves in sheep's clothing was taken from the Gospel of that Sunday. I remember without checking, on account of the misinterpretation that was given, that the day was the 15th May.
It seems to escape the attention or knowledge of many that criminal proceedings are a state matter, and no church should interfere. Canonical proceedings are internal proceedings. The law of Malta does not impose any obligation on anyone to report a case of corruption of minors. (Doctors for example have a duty to report to the police if a patient comes in with a bullet wound).
Let me illustrate by an example. If a priest fathers a child from a woman of age, does the paternity of that child belong to the Church or to the bishops ? In every organisation of human beings, responsibility for illegal acts is personal. That person who is accused of a crime has the responsibility to defend himself, and should not receive the condemnation of his organisation, or that the whole organisation assumes responsibility for that act. Clear enough ?
Raymond Sacco
Aug 3rd 2011, 13:31
@joe brincat LLD:
"The law of Malta does not impose any obligation on anyone to report a case of corruption of minors."
so we should aplaud the catholic church for flexing it's obligation towards the law and not it's conscience and morals!!!!!!
yet again, my argument here was about the catholic church's reactions towards two different issues not about legal matters!
Raymond Sammut
Aug 3rd 2011, 02:22
I wish to repeat what Judy Jones said earlier on:
"These very courageous victims are to be commended for taking action and not giving up to expose the truth and protect kids. This is an extremely hard thing to do especially when the church officials fight victims with everything they’ve got. For years these victims kept their persistence, and finally got these predator priests in jail."
This is so very true, considering that this case dragged on for so long and had to end up both in the Prime Minister's and the President's office. Throughout all this time, the Maltese bishops remained with their hands tied by the Vatican authorities.
One notes how many commentators here write about "forgiveness", "tarring all priests with the same brush", and such irrelevant talk.
What is dreadful is that "church officials fight victims with everything they’ve got". When one thinks of how much these church officials have got, compared to victims --especially victims who suicide-- one should realize that all priests are to some extent complicit while they remain in the service of a church that employes these officials.
Maltese Roman Catholic priests on Malta, who are good men and do good to society, please resign and leave the Roman Catholic Church.
At the same time, the Maltese people of contemporary Malta are mature enough to form their own church. It is high time for sovereign Malta to have its own church, namely, The Church of Malta, and this church would be constitutional under the governorship of the President and most importantly fully abiding to Maltese law --and loved and respected by all Maltese.
These victims, whom Ms Jones hails as "courageous", have shown in court for the first time in more than 500 years of Catholic domination in Malta, that the Maltese people can achieve much if they too can have the same resolve, strong sense of justice, and determination.
Malta does not need the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church is the last remaining foreign power in Malta, and hence expects to be above Maltese law --which the Maltese people of a sovereign Malta should not continue to tolerate.
Tania Walters
Aug 3rd 2011, 01:01
We cannot condemn an institution because some of its members do the wrong thing. The church has always done and still is doing a lot of good around the world. Unfortunately some of its members whether clergy or even catholic people act totally inappropriately. It does not mean they are all the same. Whether catholic priests should marry or not is not an option. Yes humans have instincts and urges but humans also have intellect, we are not dogs on heat. If some of us cannot control ourselves we should seek medical help and if we don't then take responsibility for our actions. In this case let the priests pay the price for their actions but leave the church alone. I wish the victims all the very best and I sincerely hope they can move on and carry on with their life. I will keep them all in my prayers.
J Zerafa
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:59
We cannot condemn an institution because some of its members do wrong - granted! But we definitely condemn an institution who protects its members who are doing wrong and consequentially such actions taint those who truly belong to Christ. The church should immediatley de-frock such members. They don't belong in the church.
Antoine Zammit
Aug 3rd 2011, 00:38
Post picture of the perpetrators please. We know who the poor victims are.. Name and Shame the perpetrators.. They have committed the worst crime of all, betraying the trust society has in them, in taking care of the poor children who become either orphans or end up in difficulty and social problems. Its abusing of their already vulnerable state and snatching the innocence away from those boys.. Let alone the STD which they may have contracted...
Therefore, POST PICTURES PLEASE!
AND to the church, stop hiding such cases... The less you talk about them, the more harm is done to the catholic church in the long run as... Iz-zejt dejjem tela f'wicc l-ilma.. as we say in Maltese.
Mr M Mallia
Aug 3rd 2011, 00:38
Priests are supposed to have been called upon by God. If someone manages to explain to me, how the actions committed by these 'men' play a part in 'His plan' in a coherent and rational way i will start believing again. Oh and by the way, to all those defending the holy institution..... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/31/church-child-protection-chief-caught-with-child-porn-pictures-115875-23308972/
Ms Lina CARUANA
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:10
In spite of everything else God gave us all personal freedom, including to those whom He chooses. The choice to do good or evil rests on us. Sin is obvious by its consequences especially on others. God also gave us a conscience to discern what should be done or not. Some choose to ignore their conscience. We are all sinners but some sins are greater than others. I do not defend the human Church but the Church of Christ.The Christian revolution when Christ came on earth brought a huge wave of civilization in favour of the great value of the human person created in the image of Christ. God have mercy on the souls of those who ignore Him bringing suffering and distress to humanity in different ways. Is that a plausible explanation?
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Aug 3rd 2011, 00:34
You miss the point Adele. Priests who normally enter the ranks of the priesthood, brotehrhood and what have you would not normally marry. Ang guesses, as to why this is the case?
Mr Mario P. Sciberras
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:56
Without appearing, in any way, to condone what happened in these cases, one question that keeps coming to mind is whether it is NATURAL to expect a healthy man to spend all his life in a celibate state.
I am certain that what we are seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg and unless there are changes to the relevant church rules these things will continue to happen.
Is the church expecting too much from it's clergy? Not all human beings are perfect and priests are no different.
Matthew Croker
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:27
Not being perfect is one thing - making disgusting things is another. It's not the celibate state the problem here, even though I'm sure it's far from easy. We have had cases of child-abuses from married men - now what about that Mr.Sciberras?
Gary Davies
Aug 3rd 2011, 19:55
What have celibacy and paedophillia have in common? i really dont think you understand the big picture here, do you?
Danny Haszard
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:54
Please examine the Jehovah's Witnesses who go door to door and come on our property.
Jehovah's Witnesses pedophiles.
Many court documents and news events prove that Jehovah's Witnesses require two witnesses when a child comes forward with allegations of molestation within the congregation. Such allegations have customarily been treated as sins instead of crimes and are only reported to authorities when it is required to do so by law, (which varies by state). It has also been shown that child molesters within the organization usually have not been identified to the congregation members or the public at large.
These people engage in a door to door ministry, possibly exposing children to pedophiles.
Although the Watchtower Bible Tract Society claims that known pedophiles are accompanied by a non-pedophile in such work, there is no law stating that such a practice must be followed.
The Watchtower corporation has paid out millions in settlement money already.
--
Danny Haszard abuse victim
http://dannyhaszard.com/sexabuse/index.htm
Mr Robert Gatt
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:05
@ Adele Mintoff: You said that: [Quote] "These priests are as human as any other men and their sexual urge is normal. That's why the church should allow priests to marry." [Unquote]
I agree that sexual urge is normal and that both married and unmarried men have sexual urge, yet to state that to control that sexual urge, one has to marry rather than not marry, is inconceivable given that as a matter of fact sexual abuse on children happens also within the confines of a family.
I also do not think that the Church should be blamed by itself for these sexual abuses by clergymen. What should and should not be blamed, I think, depends on the circumstances of each individual case. I am not trying to defend any wrong doings - but have you ever considered that the abuser may have been a victim himself in the past, and that he may have never received any kind of support? Again, I am not saying that this was the case, but am just insisting that one should examine the whole picture before commenting.
Moreover, It is not fair that one should generalise and attribute the improper behaviour of some priests to all priests. Many priests are contributing a great deal both on local and foreign soil. One should give a holistic picture and, while condemning all that is wrong, acknowledges all that is good.
Lina Ghirxi
Aug 3rd 2011, 11:27
@ Adele Mintoff....god forbid that a pedophile were to marry...all his offspring would be at risk!!! a pedophile is not one who has a normal sexual urge, a pedophile is a pervert!
A pedophile is always in the wrong whatever his/her status...however a clergyman pedophile is definitely worse as he should be preaching Christ's teachings, and as far as I know, he also is representing Christ and his teachings. In my humble opinion, this is what makes it even more abominable!! Apart from this, people, in general, normally pour out their heart and soul to clergymen and trust them. The majority are trustworthy I am sure. I cannot understand the Church, who preaches love and justice and human dignity,etc., tries to cover up such atrocities!
Claire Busuttil
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:02
sorry but all this is just disgusting....
Gary Davies
Aug 2nd 2011, 22:43
Of course not all priests are paedos, but it is one of the proffesions that has attracted them for decades. It was not long ago that these vultures could operate almost at will in certain jobs that gave them close access to children. Thanks to a change in attitudes by the victims over recent years, better I.T. at investigators disposal etc, we are worming these beasts out now. They wont be the last to be brought to justice thank god.
Billie Watson
Aug 2nd 2011, 22:42
I thought priests are suppose to be humble and poor, i seen them driving big merks and loaded, better then being unemployed i suppose, i certainly wouldn't join them not after this image hanging over some of them and the innocent alway looking over their shoulders incase some one point a finger at them. i would rather join the forces and see the world wouldn't you?
I Bugeja
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:09
wouldn't join either
Mr mark johnson
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:25
I thought priests are suppose to be humble and poor
Joke of the week
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Aug 2nd 2011, 21:14
Some comments seem to forget that criminal responsibility is personal. Take the example of a minor who commits a crime. Are the parents responsible ? The answer is no. So why should the Church (which either means the hierarchy or the whole body of priests) be considered as responsible for the criminal acts of an individual or individuals ? This applies to other organisations as well.
Corruption of minors does not occur only among the clergy. There are so many cases in court which involve family members. And you cannot talk about celibacy in such cases !!!
I do not think, on the basis of the report above, that the Church dragged its feet to establish certain facts according to Canon Law. Canon Law is concerned with the internal administration of the Church and is not a state criminal tribunal. The Church is not bound to initiate criminal proceedings by laying down a report with the authorities. Is a mother bound to report her father for abusing her minor daughter ? The answer is that there is no such legal obligation. Some may even prefer no criminal action to avoid bad publicity or the trauma of the minor from giving evidence in court, even though this is nowadays conducted through a video conference. Would one say that the parents are responsible for failing to protect the minor ? The same reasoning should apply.
Anyone who wants to take criminal action has just to cross the road, and instead of going to the Curia direct his or her steps to the Police H.Q.
Kenneth Cassar
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:05
"The Church is not bound to initiate criminal proceedings by laying down a report with the authorities. Is a mother bound to report her father for abusing her minor daughter ? The answer is that there is no such legal obligation".
Legally, perhaps not. But morally, surely yes.
"Would one say that the parents are responsible for failing to protect the minor?"
Yes.
Mr Mike Abbot
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:15
I feel this line of thinking is wrong. The church is responsible for the acts of these priest since these priests represent the church. IF the church has shown itself to act swiftly and responsibly in the past i might agree with you, but it hasn't. True, the priests responsibilities are different to the churches but they both bear responsibility. What makes this different to 'anyone else committing the same crimes' is that the church and it's clergy promote themselves as holy & godly and all that goes with that claim and that's no small claim either. It is right, then, to expect a much higher set of standards from such people and organisation. It's fair to say they are just human, but it wrong not to hold the church itself responsible for keeping it's people in line and being seen to do it.
on you comment 'Is a mother bound to report her father for abusing her minor daughter' - i find it hard to believe a court would take kindly to hearing a mother stood by while her husband systematically abused their daughter. If that is true, as you say it is, then we have a rotten legal system.
'Would one say that the parents are responsible for failing to protect the minor ?' an emphatic yes. The result, the father is free to continue abuse, the mother doesn't feel the need to stop it. The child... well.. the child just has to deal with it. The rest of the world remain in the dark - the way it's always been.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:16
Prosit for common sense arguments. I have said the same thing for years. The vilification campaign against the Church and the great majority of exemplary members is not justified at all. It is explained by the attitude of anti-Catholics prominent in these blogs to stoop and to take advantage of any circumstance that could possibly harm the Church and hurt its worthy members.
Ruby Jenner
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:30
Are you defending the Church?. They have covered up and protected these monster's. Shuffled them about knowing that they are child abuser's. Scerri is still wanted by the Canadian police for investigation's of child abuse. He fled to Malta and even though the curia in Malta allegedly were informed about him he was again placed working with children. The Church has defended it's reputation at all cost's and this is a crime. You state that some may even prefer no criminal action to avoid bad publicity or trauma. Why is that? Could it be they had no faith in the system. The Church is very powerful and has a hold over a lot of people. In this case they were children from an orphanage. They were vunerable and didn't have a family to confide in. To me this makes me feel even more sickened by the abuse and cover up that went on. We all know that abuse is not only carried out by the clergy but this is no excuse. To the victim's I admire your courage and your strength.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:49
@Ruby Jenner.
There is nothing wrong with defending the main body of the Church - or any other organisation having close contact with children - from the vile accusation that "it protects these monsters". The simple truth is that there is a universal failure by all society, lay and clerical, to succeed in weeding out these criminals.
The Church did not protect these criminals. Through its Response Team it advised victims of their right to report the crime to the police since it was prevented by its remit from doing so itself. It is not the Church's fault if they did not take the advice given to them and if they did not promptly just cross the road to the nearest police station.
The function of the Church is to teach and to redeem sinners. It is not to investigate crime or to hand over suspects to the police when the people direcly involved neglect to do so.
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Aug 3rd 2011, 12:48
@Kenneth Cassar and Mike Abbot. Moral responsibility does not mean that a person is bound to report to the police. It is the victim that has the right (not an obligation) to report what has been committed in private to his detriment. Do you think that all who have been victims of abuse, in any organisation or family or even casually, reported their case to the police ?
Are parents responsible for the acts of their minor children in criminal matters ? Sorry again, the answer is no. This applies, by the way, even to a pending case in which I am involved on behalf of the injured parties and which was appearing on this page. The parents can only be bound over to watch over their children if they commit a contravention (that is a minor offence).
I was speaking in general, not really about the details of this specific case, and about what the law is. You may say the "law is an ass", but it is the law.
Mrs Teresa Pace
Aug 2nd 2011, 21:10
Over 1000 likes, 200 shares and 228 comments. What about the many priests who are faithful to God and to the Church and who go out of their way to help others...like Fr George Grima and many others who are not so well known. What if a story was written about their good works...how many shares and how many likes and comments would these cause.
Ms D. Borg
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:09
What if one of these victims was your son?
Raymond Sacco
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:26
@teresa pace:
i agree with you. there are many decent, honest clergy members who silently work hard amongst our society. you mentioned only one from so many. but the comments here are directed towards the convicted perverts and the catholic church which protected them and concealed their crimes, thus increasing the number of victims and giving all it's clergy members a bad image! so why are you blaming the outrage of the people and not your catholic church?
Graham Vahey
Aug 2nd 2011, 20:48
The RC Church does cover up any such scandal and simply moves priests who abuse around from one country to another to avoid prosecution and to save face. Canon Law should NOT take the place of secular, State law in such matters as child abuse. The Police should take action immediately and bring the perpetrator to justice. What the Church does thereafter is up to them and nothing to do with the due process of criminal law. Those who say that they were abused by the RC priesthood ( or indeed by anyone ) should go to the Police first and not be influenced by priests who advise them not to. Graham Vahey, BUSBY, SCotland.
Gerry Cowie
Aug 2nd 2011, 20:15
Excellent news! And may all the other guilty ones be put behind bars if they are still alive to tell the tale!
Let us all work towards the elimination of sexual abuse also across secular society and in families where also huge cover-ups continue, making the Church statistically amongst the smaller groups of offenders. Nevertheless the Church is somewhere one expects total security and adherance to religious values. It is sad that the Church has become the scapegoat for a far wider problem, which must not of course reduce the pressure on the Church to amend its ways but should remind people that the problem of abuse is far more widespread than some care to admit. After all the Church is a far easier target. I am in no way condoning the evil committed - just making sure that other sources of abuse are paid as much attention.
Kenneth Cassar
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:02
"Let us all work towards the elimination of sexual abuse also across secular society and in families where also huge cover-ups continue".
Name me one secular organisation that covers up cases of sexual abuse. My criticism of the Church in the past has been due to the fact that it used to protect the perpetrator at the expense of the victims (in order not to cause scandal...it claimed). Thankfully, this is slowly but surely changing, partly as a result of the public outcry (which some described as "attacks on the Church").
There will always be individuals who abuse the people in their care, and there is little that can be done to prevent this. We can only deal with such cases after the facts are known. But when whole institutions protect abusers and cover-up the abuse as a matter of policy, then we need to worry and feel outrage. But like I said, this is changing. One could say that the "attacks on the Church" have actually helped the Church to come to its senses and reform.
Mr Tommy Vella
Aug 3rd 2011, 13:30
@ Mr Kenneth Cassar
Name me one secular organisation that covers up cases of sexual abuse.
Most families do.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:58
It is evident that many here cant distinguish between a criminal and an institution. The Church is being branded as the scape goat.
I hope that all that are pointing a finger at the church calling it all kinds of deregatory names and disgusting comments, dont have a teenager who is allowed to parade in the street with a glaring highlighter of an underpants. This country has turned into a pig sty of vice and ways of life.
Some of us apparantly dont have eyes to see how we are allowing youngsters to dress up. I think that such sexual provocation is as grave.
Paedophilia is disgusting and should be severly punished , but we should start from the very bottom and monitor our society, because we are diving headlong into oblivion.
Sending paedophiles to prison is not enough. I think we should start looking and see where our society has erred miserably the past 40 years. We ourselves are encouraging such acts because we dont teach values anymore. Just reading some comments shows enough how spitefull we have become.
Raymond Sacco
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:02
@john zammit spiteri:
the catholic church is no innocent scape goat. if i know of someone who abuses a child, conceal his crime and protect him while he continues abusing more children, then i am guilty as much as he is! and that is why the general public is enraged at the catholic church! can't you understand this! you talk as if vice is a modern invention. we are 'diving into oblivion', 'we don't teach values anymore' 'our society has erred miserably the past 40 years' you say! and what were the values taught before the past 40 years mr zammit spiteri? slaughtering some 70 million lives in just five years?
Pule' Carmel
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:51
After all, humans come in vaious packets, with most containing, instinctive urges and a lot of combinations of sensory perceptions. Sometimes the internal wiring goes wrong!
Adele Mintoff
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:34
I blame the church for all this sexual abuse by priests worldwide. These priests are as human as any other men and their sexual urge is normal. That's why the church should allow priests to marry. I hope with all my heart that the victims will find peace with the grace of God and be able to forgive one day. It breaks me everytime I listen to them speak. Finally justice has been made and Iwish them a world of happiness and peace. They have been through hell and back because of these priests. May God bless them and grant them a happier life.
angelo cilia
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:47
Normal men don't bugger little boys.
Mr mark johnson
Aug 2nd 2011, 20:00
Absolute nonsense!
If they had normal sexual urges then they would not be having sex with children but with adults.
Jason Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 20:18
Have you ever heard of fathers and mothers who sexually abuse their siblings?
Giov DeMartino
Aug 2nd 2011, 20:58
Marriage has nothing to do with this. No connection whatsoever. Thousands of married men commit adultery and also abuse children Even though they have a wife.
John Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 21:37
It is absurd to say that celibacy is the cause of paediphilia. Most priests are not paediphiles and most paediphiles are not priests.
Ruby Jenner
Aug 2nd 2011, 22:14
Adele even if priests were allowed to marry it probably wouldn' have made any difference. They prefer boy's and young. They also enjoy the power they have over the vulnerable. Shame on them.
Mr Graham Holme
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:23
You blame the Church?A priest knows the conditions before he excepts this vocation.
Some priests use their position to get close to children,an opening for pedophiles to satisfy their perverted sexual needs
Any pervert abuses my child? forgiveness would be the last thing on my mind.
Forgiveness is in the hands of God,abuse my child? I will be only too happy to arrange the meeting
Ms Agnes Bezzina
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:54
X'ghandu x'jaqsam!! Please, for the sake of everyone's sanity, do not link celibacy and pedophilia!! One does not become a pedophile because they are celibate! There is NO RELATION! The majority of pedophiles are NOT people who are celibate ... Linking pedophilia to celibacy diminishes the seriousness of it, and makes it seem like there is some simple solution to this very complex 'illness' which causes devastation in the lives of many a child.
Mr R Psaila
Aug 3rd 2011, 07:13
I agree with you that priests should be allowed to marry, but raping and abusing small children is never something of an urge to have sex. We must not forget that married people also are convicted everyday for paedophelia.
Ms B Cassar
Aug 3rd 2011, 07:14
I agree with you perfectly. Besides how can a priest for example teach and give counselling on marriage when he himself does not even have an idea about what it feels and what it takes to be married. It's easy speaking about others feelings, behaviours and what not but at the end you can never know what the true feeling is because ultimately you are looking at them from outside. I can feel alot for a person who lost a dear one but I can never really understand it so well until I live it myself. The same applies here.
In many other countries priests are allowed to marry and they preach the same gospel as ours. I don't know who the hell came with the idea that they shouldn't be married. Even the apostles had wives so why priests shouldn't.
There is one thing that I don't agree in your first paragraph, that you blame the church. Partially you may be right but the biggest blame rests on these cowards. At least they should have looked for a prostitute to satisfy their needs and not innocent children. I would have understood it perfectly if this happened because at least there would have been an adult person who perfectly knows what is being done, the risks etc. The fact that they looked for children is that they wanted to be covered by their innocence thinking that they would never understand what was heappening or worse that they would never have the courage to speak up. They wanted to rest assured basing their coward and miserable acts on the fact that a child is many times taken for granted.
Well the years given by the court are not enough. People take note of the faces of these cowards and yet they think they can teach someone. Yeah rite! Miserable people that's what you are.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:20
@ Graham Holme.
Forgiveness is NOT restricted to God alone. That is why Christians pray to be forgiven by God just as we forgive (or should forgive) those who trespass against us.
Charles J. Buttigieg
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:22
Giovan, persuna bil-guh hi ferm aktar vulnerabbli biex tisraq hobza.
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:25
@Graham Holme.
So, you do not admit that we should forgive those who trespass against us so that, in his turn, God would forgive our trespasses as we pray in the Pater Noster! Instead, you would hasten the meeting of the trespasser with his Maker - meaning you would murder the sinner! Excuse me, but as a Christian I cannot share those bloodthirsty sentiments.
M. Mifsud
Aug 3rd 2011, 21:34
@Ms. B. Cassar
Your comments show that you have a huge confusion in your mind. Your comments show also that you lack basic information about the Roman Catholic Church. Paedophilia is a sickness and does not have anything to do with celibacy. You said that in many other countries priests are permitted to marry. The Roman Catholic Church does not permit the members of its clergy to marry.Neither in Malta nor anywhere else. The Roman Catholic Church is a worldwide institution and it upholds celibacy throughout the world. Celibacy is not just for Maltese members of the Roman Catholic Church. Other churches such as the various protestant churches and the Orthodox church permit their priests to marry but that does not mean that they do not have cases of paedophilia either. As I said paedophilia is a sickness and has nothing to do with celibacy. And celibacy was imposed on the priests because the priest should be of the people, for the people, of all the people. Imagine a priest with wife and kids having to provide financially for his wife and children and to attend to their each and every necessity. These are huge responsibilities that would impede priests from dedicating themselves one hundred percent to their m ission. Celibacy permits priests to be free from such ties and able to dedicate themselves to their mission.
And let's be honest and admit that the church has done a lot of good worldwide during its two thousand years of existence. No other party,movement or association created by man has done the same amount of good that the Roman Catholic Church has done. The Roman Catholic Church has worked incessantly all over the world to alleviate the suffering of the less fortunate and to defend the poor and the weak against their oppressors. It even had the courage and the guts to face Communist regimes in Eastern Europe and to help to secure their downfall.
As regards to your affirmation that if one does not experience marriage than one cannot give good advice on marriage, I think that this is completely baseless. Priests before being ordained priests have to pass through a very long process of formation of several years studying various subjects such as sociology, psychology and other related subjects in order to be prioperly equipped to be able to face their difficult mission. So by your assumption all men and women who are married are capable of giving good advice about marriage just because they are married even if thes do not have a clue of what marriage is all about! And priests who have spent long years of studying and preparing themselves for their mission are not qualfied to give good advice on marriage, according to your assumption, because they are not married themselves!
A bit too far fetched of an assumption I think!
Mr francis darmanin
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:33
With the number of cases rising to the surface all across the catholic world one can hardly deny that some institutions were seen as save havens for people with this type of sexual instinct. It is now time for the church to say "mea culpa" and to carry out a REAL internal monitoring exercise to ensure that this phenomenon is well and truly weeded out.
Those at the top of the church hierarchy with their constant denials, never ending tribunals where nothing is ever found wrong, secrecy, etc etc are also very much to blame. The local church ought to realise that bishops smiling in photos with politicans is not really what Christ preached about. On the positive side at least we now got know who the sheep in wolves clothing are as referred to by the Gozo bishop some weeks ago.
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Aug 3rd 2011, 00:35
Remember Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss!
martin said
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:31
What a bunch of hypocrites this country has turned into!!
Now we are classifying sins!! Ripping off families who cannot make ends met is a lesser sin than this.
Either we are honest or else not comment at all.
I just hope that one day all bloggers that hate the Church thank the Church for what it has done and still is doing for this country. Lets not put all in one basket. That is if we have any sense of honesty left.
Ms B Cassar
Aug 3rd 2011, 07:19
We should thank the church for ripping off innocent children of their childhood? I think you should re-list your priorities according to importance before you speak.
The money invested by the church to get on with the ridiculous divorce crusade should have been used wiser and in a way that helps people victims of these cowards to get on with their life. Yesterday I saw a man crying on the news. He's not anymore a child but yet his broken feelings and his suffering led him to cry instantly instead of talking like a man. You rarely see a man crying but this man broke up into tears, that must make you understand what they feel. MIN JAF KIEKU KONT INT KONTX TIKTEB HEKK! If it takes to hate the church to clean up from such bastards, then I will do my utmost to hate it. We know what the church is, a recent example has been given in the divorce crusade few weeks ago.
jane deguara nee hughes
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:31
if they would let priests get married in Malta iam sure there wold be less abuse on people. they are humans aswell and still have feelings.. but they did worng so yes they should be punished, but not all priests are bad, we have a very good priest in Mtarfa. and he really good with they young ones.
Mr Tommy Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:36
What kinf of reasoning is this? What has being married or not got to do with child abuse? Haven't you heard of fathers abusing their own daughters? And of brothers, uncles, grandparents, teachers, doctors and many other categories abusing both girls and boys, a lot of them married?
Stephen Zammit
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:22
What is interesting to note here is that the court judged 2 priests as guilty. May all the other priests be free of all ill feeling these 2 priests brought up on them.
Mrs Teresa Pace
Aug 2nd 2011, 20:58
Well said. These kind of priests are extreme minority (still they have to be brought to justice). One cannot label all the priests as such as only a minority are as such. The majority of priests do alot of good, alot of pastoral work. It is a pity if one labels all the priests to be as such or worst still to label the Catholic Church.
Ms G Portelli
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:16
@ Carmel Muscat
It is incredible that you seek to belittle the suffering of the victims by assuming that they simply want money out of this. They also have a right of redress as much as the indicted have a right to appeal the sentence. You should however know that a basic tenet of the Catholic Church is Social Justice which includes the defense of the weak and giving a voice to the voiceless in society. These victims were voiceless and powerless children abused by those who were meant to protect them. Pope Benedict recognised this and I am sure that the Pope's tears in Malta weren't shed over the amount of money to be deducted from the Church's coffers but the grave betrayal of trust and moral transgression that occurred when these minors were abused. It is the Church that stands to gain here by being perceived to put its house in order. A paedophile should be prosecuted by the criminal justice system whatever status he or she holds.
JJ Debono
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:08
Good luck to the man in the video i wish him well, they should do same as in some countries shame them two priests by defrocking them publicly as oppose to ordaining them in front of friends and relatives. It would serve a good lesson to would be priests with a sexual appetite for children in their care and have an evil inclinations, this applies to both clergies and nuns abusers, we hear alot about this sort of going ons here in the UK and it is about time it all came out in the open, unfortuinitly in days gone many in Malta and Gozo people just shut their eyes as they most probably didn't knoiw the truth without people such as this young man coming out in the open and blow the lid on all the abusers.
Ms Lina CARUANA
Aug 3rd 2011, 06:12
This should serve all people whose role is to serve to be more careful in the execution of their duty. This case has shaken the Church whose Protector is Omnipotent. Let us hope that others will not shake the country by their actions. For sin is truly recognized by its consequences.
John Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:07
"The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones"
Act 3, scene ii of Julius Caesar by William Shakespeare.
Enough said!
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:06
...... "Forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us ..........."
(Christ in the Lord's Prayer)
Charles J. Buttigieg
Aug 2nd 2011, 21:11
MZPN. “At the same time, the MZPN also augured that guilty sentences would not be allowed to cast a shadow on the Church as an institution, or any of its members, given “the good deeds it performs within Maltese society as a whole.”
Dr. Francis Saliba.
...... "Forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us ..........."
(Christ in the Lord's Prayer)
My question: - Had these two paedophiles Priests been two paedophiles PL Officials would the MZPN’s noble gesture been extended to them, and would Francis Saliba be quoting the Lord’s Prayer at this juncture?
hugh jars
Aug 2nd 2011, 22:37
WHO!!!!
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Aug 3rd 2011, 00:39
I agree that we should understand that no one is perfect but the thrust of the criticism is towards a Church that claims to be a State, a hierarchy that thinks it is above the law, a hierarchy that sets up kangaroo courts in the form of review teams, a hierarchy that sets out to deceive the people by appointing a judge to head it, a hierarchy that encourages confidential agreements ... need I continue?
Mr Saliba Francis
Aug 3rd 2011, 08:26
@Charles J Buttigieg.
Dr Saliba (myself) would quote the Lord's Prayer always including any circumstance concocted by you. To me Christ's teaching goes beyond political partisanship. You have no right to glibly question my sincerity not even under the guise of a question.
Victor Boyde
Aug 3rd 2011, 17:46
I wonder if you would repeat all this if it was your child that got raped???????
Mark Aquilina
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:01
I don't think that anyone in here is trying to encourage religious hatred and i don't think it's right and even justified to say "To all those who are trying to prove something by vomiting their venom against the whole church are as evil as paedophiles themselves" I am sorry but you don't know what you are saying and from this comment one can easily say that you are mixing the whole argument with politics.
1. You can't run away from statistics that show that there are many and many cases like these involving clergy all over the world! Come on something is not right!
2. Black sheep or not, sick human or not, the clergy is there to protect kids not ..................;
3. Many people vomit not their venom or intolerance but there sickness towards the church why? Because the church go on the defensive side and play chess with the victims emotions; (send them to other countries!!! are you joking!! or taking 8 years to come to a conclusion. Church should be extra careful in preventing such cases! They have the responability, the obligation and morality!
4. The Law is or should be the same for all!
5. You are right no one is a saint, but the clergy teaches us to become saints!
Mr Tommy Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:38
"many and many cases like these involving clergy all over the world! Come on something is not right!"
Only clergy?
Ms Lina CARUANA
Aug 3rd 2011, 06:16
No good can be done by wishing justice on others when you know well enough that the Lawis equal for all.
Mr Carmel Garcia
Aug 3rd 2011, 07:32
TOmmy, yes for men only clergy because others are white flags as we say in maltese (Bandiera bajda). All are hypocrats. Everyone has something to smell under his arm, so judge me not.
Mr Peter Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:46
In the 70s these two priests were my teachers. I never saw one bad thing from them or from any other priest. What I received was an excellent education. They are humans, and they erred, and they should be punished for their mistakes. However their mistakes do not make the entire clergy corrupt or evil. What would we do with our orphans, elderly without the Church? How would the education system operate if the Church Schools were to close down? I won't even mention the massive contribution that the Church gives in the missions. So let us stop all this misplaced gloating. I am always amazed by the base hatred that many harbour for the clergy and I truly cannot figure out why? The Church has done its best to keep away from politics since the mess of the 60s, why do we keep banging that old drum?
Philip Micallef
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:34
A tree should not be uprooted because of a couple of fruits are bad.
Think guys before before throwing stones to others. Just reflect that hate talk might refect back.
Think also of the good works thousands of priests and religious had done during the ages. How many dedicated their lives for the maltese society along the passage of years.
Think of the good work and sacrifice beeing done by the other priests and brothers of the accused in mission lands. Media people just reflect on the impact of your actions.
Philip Micallef
Laurence Zerafa
Aug 2nd 2011, 20:28
Totally agree.
Joseph J Camilleri
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:46
You are right. And may I add - All those without sin cast the first stone.......!
Jesmond Micallef
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:25
"Some of these cases went back to the 1970s"
Whilst one welcomes this news of justice but there are other instances which still need to be uncovered in "Holy Roman Catholic Malta". There are major events as a direct result of political "perversions" that have not been solved as yet. Yes, the murder of civilians, the burning down of buildings, lost business due to political boycott, enticing violence and provocation, psychological terrorism and retribution by political parties, etc.
Come on dear sweet and innocent Malta. Is this all you can come up with ?
Marge Pace
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:20
At last the poor old boys of San Guzepp can breathe a little more freely.
We Maltese must understand that even on suspicion of abuse ,we have to report to the police. There is no excuse no matter who the suspected perpetrator is, the father, uncle ,the priest the teacher, the social worker, the doctor etc.Parents must start educating their children about abuse when still very young. All children must learn about abuse by qualified personnel at school. Every citizen must be empowered to report abuse or suspicion of.
.In Malta we are not yet aware for example that a mother cannot mistreat her toddler dragging him up and slapping him across his face.that is physical abuse +
Sexual abuse leaves very bad scars, sometimes victims never really heal but thankfully most children are resilient and they survive and thrive in spite of the terrible hurt by the people who were supposed to love them.
If our laws are updated and proper campaigns are organised in schools,and on the media ,we may be able to reach more people to prevent abuse and to report abuse.
My main thought in commenting here is that there should be no distinction between a lay offender and priests or members of religious orders. The Curia does not come in here . Child abuse is a case for the Criminal court.
One word about the perpetrators. Their actions have hurt many others who put their trust in them and who felt betrayed when they got to know about the abuse case. The court sentence will help these priests to repent perhaps.
I hope that in his infinite goodness God helps the resilient survivors and that they will walk with their heads held high not because they received justice only but because their telling might have saved many more.
hugh jars
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:00
PERFECTLY PUT SIR
Jessica Debattista
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:17
What a SAD, SAD day for the Church that some elements within it have brought down such a disgrace to weigh so heavily on Her!
How wounded the Church must feel! And how sorry we ought to feel for all the other priests who had had to lead a life of sacrifice to live according to the vows they had made.
And what a SAD, SAD day for all of us who are showing our true colours by spitting venom on the Church as a whole!
Don’t we realize that we are giving vent to our base nature by calling for revenge on the Church as a whole?
Hatred against the Church has been fomenting for a long time and today’s sentence has given fuel to this hatred. It is a raging volcano of hate now! And a raging volcano is a monster to fear as much as the paedophiles within our midst – coming from wherever they are coming, for let us not delude ourselves that paedophiles are found only in the Church, for they are all around us…..
Let us beware of the paeodophiles cunningly hiding in the unlikeliest corners!
Human nature has its quirks and fetishes for there are shades of evil in each and every one of us!
Don’t we realize that by giving vent to this uncontrollable hatred against the Church, we are risking arousing and instigating people to violence - which is another form of evil?
Who or what gives us the right to rouse the people against the Church as a whole when we know that as an institution the Church has been a source of good throughout the years?
How can we allow certain people who have professed themselves openly against the Church to whip us into a vortex of hatred against the Church?
Calm down! Stop and think! Let your better judgement weigh the good and the evil and allow no one to take over your thoughts to mould them according to their base wishes!
We are masters of our own minds. Let no one warp our better judgement for we are quite capable to think for ourselves!
Raymond Sacco
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:42
ms debattista, the catholic church brought all this on itself! the church's hierarchy could have done the easiest thing by reporting these crimes immediately to the authorities, but they chose to cover up and protect the perverts! in this way, the church put all it's clergy in a dark shadow and allowed the victims to grow in number! these comments are not hatred towards the church but anger. and the anger is understandable!
Mrs Teresa Pace
Aug 2nd 2011, 21:00
Very well said!
Kenneth Cassar
Aug 3rd 2011, 07:54
Personally I don't want revenge. All I expect is that people who abuse other people in their care are brought to justice as soon as possible. This protects both the victims (and possible future victims), and other carers who are given a bad name through the actions of the few.
This should apply equally to both clergy and secular organisations.
It is certainly a good sign that the Pope has already defrocked Charles Pulis (even before the court judgement). It makes a refreshing change, and proves that criticism of the Church, when founded on reason and a sense of justice, actually helps to reform the Church.
Anger, of course, is reasonable, considering this case (and other similar cases)'s history. But of course, we musn't judge the whole priesthood on the actions (or inaction) of the few.
Mr twanny borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:13
dawn mhux denji li jithallew bhala qasssin. il-hazin jitfi t-tajjeb. missieri miet zghir u konna hafna tfal. kienet il-knisja li ghinitna. missieri kien barrani u domna l-familja tieghi biex bdiet tiehu ghajnuna socjali. niftakar ommi dejjem id-dar kien jigi qassis wara l-bieb jaghti lm3 lill-ommi u jitlaq. dak iz-zmien lm3 ma kienux ftit. xejn mhu se jtellifni milli nuri rispett lil min ghamilli l-gid meta kont fil-bzonn. din mhux gurnata ta' ferh izda ta' niket kemm ghal knisja u kemm ghall-vittmi. halli dawn jiehdu l-kastig darba haqqhom imma mhux jehel kullhadd. lil min jahseb li jrid jiknes lil kullhadd nghidlu bhall ma kienet tghid ommi li kull min jgholli jdejh kullhadd ixomm xi haga min haga u min ohra.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:06
This is another page where justice has been served and we should learn a lot from this experience. The media is here to convey news and it is responsible to teach and not to encourage church and religious hatred. Some comments are just anti church and nothing else. In doing so we are encouraging hiding paedophiles to act , now that we are saying the church is the sole culprit of such crimes. This is grossly wrong and we will pay for this if we adopt this message of religious hatred!
We as a society we are all guilty of social crimes and we are looking at paedophiles as stemming solely from the Church. I am sure that other hiding paedophiles are rubbing their hands in glee knowing too well they will go unnoticed since the media spotlight is focused on the Church as an institution.
I am not excusing any paedophile , their acts are serious social crimes. So is religious intollerance a crime , and so is encouraging hatred is a social crime. To all those who are trying to prove something by vomitting their venom against the whole church are as evil as paedophiles themselves.
All those who hold society as sacred, are to be reminded that society is made of all people . I am sure no one is a saint and I do not wish to cast any stone knowing too well that no one is perfect.
Justice has done its work, great. Now we must open our eyes for more who are lurking and hiding and smiling their sick smiles to minors who are helpless. They lurk everywhere in all the shadows.
Raymond Sacco
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:25
mr zammit spiteri, there is not one single comment containing religious hatred. the large majority of the comments are directed towards the catholic church not the catholic religion. and the anger towards the catholic church is apprehensible, knowing that the same catholic church has confessed of covering up these crimes and protected the perverts by transfering them elsewhere where they continued preying on the young! yes, paedophiles can be found anywhere, but the way you are talking make it sound as if they are everywhere, in every household, in every club, in every school! your comments have started to become frenetic! you are right, no one is perfect, but not everybody is a paedophile or a paedophile protector as you seem to imply. so please calm down and start accepting the fact that we live in a modern democratic society where every person has the right to criticise other persons or institutions, churches included, without being in danger of getting burned to the stake!
Roderick Zammit
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:55
I want to see also the comment from the priests involved and their views aswell. if the times can obtain an interview so that we hear both bells.
Kieron O'connor
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:53
They might be the first priests to be held accountable for their crimes in Malta, but they wont be the last.
Slowly but surely the truth is coming out.
The details of how it was all covered up behind internal reviews and public retired individuals used as a pretence for justice will be the final scandle.
Charles J. Buttigieg
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:48
Were there other priests in our history who were found guilty of criminal charges and sentenced to prison?
Mr Ernest Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:38
Jekk min gie abbuzat mhux lest li jahfer (skont x'jifhem b'mahfra mbaghad), il-kruha ta dak li soffra xorta hemm ser tibqa' ghax go qalbu ma hafrilhomx. Tahfer ma jfissirx tinsa, imma li titlob ghalihom halli jindmu sincerament min eghmilhom u jaghrfu l-hsara li ghamlet. Min qal li l-Knisja tilfet hafna fl-2011 ma jafx x'inhu jghid....ghax kif qalu diversi nies prominenti jekk titlef il-Knisja nitilfu ahna lkoll. Ejjew ma nhalltux dawn il-ftit kazi mal-hafna tajjeb li sar u li ghadu jsir min membri ohra tal-Knisja.
Min qed jattakka u jghajjar il-Knisja, jghidilna x'ghamel hu biex jaghmel iktar mill-Knisja ghall-poplu Malti? Immagina Malta minghajr Dar tal-Providenza, Istituti, Skejjel, sacerdoti, knejjes, festi, Azzjoni Kattolika, Karizmatici, Katekisti, il-Museum, il-Caritas, il-Moviment ta Kana etc...F'Malta ma jibqa xejn hlief l-iscouts u l-partiti politici. Mbaghad nispiccaw sew bil-Partiti Politici.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:13
@ Mr Ernest Vella
I cant help it but I love reading your comment, it is full of humanity and it is very very humaine. Wonderfull comment. I would like to add something to your contribution,
Forgiving means that you heal yourself and you forget and live in peace. Those who forgive live in peace and this is true. I fully agree with your comment , such a breath of fresh air from those who have only vengeance and hatred.
To ERR is HUMAN but to FORGIVE is Divine
Mr D Galea
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:44
naqbel mighek 100%.
Hawn ħafna l-ħażin biss jaraw.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:25
Prosit beautiful comment
A. Attard
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:29
a sentence of 20 years with forced labour would have made more sense.
Victor Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:29
A raoe is a rape where ever it happens.But people please, not all men are criminals and with such argument not all priests are child abusers .
Mark Aquilina
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:24
Although I am a devoted anti-church and anti-religion (main stream religions only) person, I find to ask myself, but not only priests are paedophiles, there are non-clerics who are too. But then I tell myself wait a second, something is wrong! There is a trend here (Malta, Ireland, USA, Italy) of clerical who are now proven or alleged paedophiles. And then I tell myself "il Qasba ma caqcaqx ghalxejn".
This means that some entered priesthood because they wanted to hide their sickness or maybe it would be good to analyse them and see if they have been always like that or became like that because of what their priesthood impose on them!
This also means that becoming a priest and not be able to have sex is simply cruel and insane and unhealthy!! I would say that this situation is simply a joke and should be reviewed today before tomorrow.
Also those from the clergy who has obstructed justice for 8 good years should also be jailed for obstruction to justice! Minjaf kemm hawn iktar u ma nafux!
Finally 5 and 6 years in jail are again few… I am not a court expert but 9 sexual abuses are no bloody joke.
Finally one final thought! I think these priests will enjoy prison, if you know what I mean………. maybe they would want to stay longer……
Burn in hell if you believe in it!
Signed
A Father who look at his son’s eyes and say who would be such a monster to dare and imagine to do such things…. I don’t want to express my full opinion on how these human beings should be treated.
H Agius
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:13
At Last Justice had been done, hope that they receive the exact treatment in Jail as what they did to a lot of children,is it not to much that you end up in home ? , then you find these 2 monsters raping you , well done Laurence you made it today ! you are the hero of so many children that had been abused ! And by the way you should go for compensation from the church, The church should pay for what they done, like in other countries !
Mr mark johnson
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:03
If you honestly cannot see why this case is worse because they are priests then you have been brainwashed.
Mr Kevin J Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:26
what makes it worse is the fact that these people are protected by an institution that knows of their crimes, condones these crimes and then has the gall of preaching in favour universal love and brotherhood and against sins of the flesh on a global basis. I hope that now you can appreciate it is not a question of brain washing
Stephen Moyer
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:45
2011 has only proved to be a major FAIL for the Catholic Church in Malta. Maybe finally they will realise that they no longer have any power over the people, and no longer will they get away with such grievous and disgusting acts.
Finally priests are judged under the same laws as every other Maltese citizen, and shame on them for what they have done to these poor kids.
P.S. Send my regards to Lucifer.
Matthew P. Zammit
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:55
Dil-bicca xoghol tal-"power over the people" naqtghuha ghax hija misleading hafna.
Jew temmen fil-Knisjau u temmen u tapplika t-taghlim taghha ghalik, jew inkella, jekk ma temminx fiha, ma tikkommettix ruhek li taghmel dak li l-Knisja taghmel. Imma iva, il-Knisja ghanda sens ta'awtorita' fuq il-membri taghha li jaccettaw bi shih it-taghlim taghha.
Hija haga ovja li membru f'istituzzjoni joqghod ghar-regoli u ghat-taghlim ta' dik l-istess istituzzjoni li hu jappartjeni ghaliha.
P Mizzi
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:35
Six years for sexually abusing nine boys? This is not justice it's just ridiculous!!
Mr Pierre Portelli
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:30
True. But its a first Mr. Mizzi.
Mr Alex Buds
Aug 2nd 2011, 18:34
True. But better than the usual suspended sentence and a slap on the wrist, still...
DR EMMANUEL BEZZINA,MA,MAG.JUR.[EU Law],LL.D.,
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:33
The Maltese Catholic Church & The Kurja Kattolika Maltija must as has been stated for many years be run and administered by the Maltese State in our own country. Such abuses have been taking place for many,many years and here we had a sacred cow which nobody dared to touch even as it defacated in our own faces.
This year will be an Annus Memorabilus for our dear country as it has finally shed off its manipulative clothing and bared all in one of the most corrupt institutions in our land.All priviliges to this OPUS DEI dreadful clan must be done away with and each of its members must be subject to Maltese & EU Law just like any other citizen.These creatures have to pay dues just like any other citizen and they must have no say in our local juridical order.
The Marriage Act must be amended forthwith: Civil Annulments will in any case make no more sense in the light of the amendment No. 2 to the Civil Code signed into law a few days ago by the President of the Republic.The Kurja must be made to pay financial compensation to those it barred from defending their clients before the autocratic Ecclessiastical Tribunal;this compensation should cover material and moral,physichological and physical damages.
As for those priests who have abused and are still abusing IN THE NAME OF CHRIST innocent victims,the latter should seek damages and hence all Chruch property should be expropriated for all these damages to be made good for.
It has been a long time,the corruption involved has been manifold,now is paytime also IN THE NAME OF CHRIST - thus JUSTICE will be seen to be indeed done!
----------------------------ALPHA.
C Muscat
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:24
clan must be done away with and each of its members must be subject to Maltese & EU Law just like any other citizen...
I am a normal citizen and meber of this Roman Catholic Church; I pay my taxes and i abide by all rules and regulations. I am cerain, there are many thousands like m that live our life in harmony with God and neighbours.
So who are you to attack us as if we real culprits because we believe in our God an in our religion. As you have seen this country punishes all and sundry that breaks the law including the high judges.
Mr john vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:27
Why have you to seep so low as to mention the name of Christ. I am not a church goer, but Thanks to our Laws and Religion, so far our country has been built on these pillars hence you are tolerated to hurt the followers of Christ.
Jesus Christ came into a world of religious confusion much like our own. He conquered that world with the truth taken from the Bible. When confronted with doctrinal controversy, Jesus Christ always went to Scripture for the answer. He was known to ask: "Have you not read?" (see Matthew 12:3,5; 21:16,42;) I am surprised Sir, how you profess an eastern faith yet you do not skip a chance to mention Our Lord or his representatives as though you know each other.
As for signing Alpha you need Omega so one will consider you a God hence in the relations with the local church, unfortunately you are no more than the rest of us from dust to dust you shall return.
M. Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 22:14
"The Kurja must be made to pay financial compensation to those it barred from defending their clients before the autocratic Ecclessiastical Tribunal;this compensation should cover material and moral,physichological and physical damages"
"....................and hence all Chruch property should be expropriated for all these damages to be made good for".
So that's what you are after Dr.Bezzina. You are after FINANCIAL COMPENSATION for not being allowed to plead before the Ecclesiastical Tribunal years ago for crticising the Church's teachings. So that's your aim Dr. Bezzina to get monetary compensation from the Church in Malta. Hmm....... very interesting Dr. Bezzina. Very interesting.
So after all, all bombastic words put aside, what you are interested in is to see the Maltese Roman Catholic Church deprived of its material wealth (material wealth which the Roman Catholic Church has used along the years to run its charitable institutions in Malta including orphanages, old people's homes, counselling centres, 'Dar tal-Providenza' and a myriad of other institutions) and to have a chance to dip your fingers in the pie yourself.
Very interesting. Very interesting. However you should have declared this in plain clear words and not in half and unclear terms.
Jamie Iain Genovese
Aug 3rd 2011, 09:17
Hmph, having lots of letters in your name really doesn't help one be a little less transparent.
Why the heck would you want the Church to be incorporated into the state? With everyone pretty much in favour of secularism you'd think that's a silly thing to want.
Gross generalisations and meaningless buzzwords aside, all citizens of a democratic republic (Eee, like Malta) have a say in what goes on in the country and can criticise any of the three main wings of our Government, be it Judicial, Executive or Legislative. However, the Church is a separate entity in which it has its own court system, the ecclesiastic court, which is something entirely different to state affairs.
Oh, and don't look like you want money so bad, it's a little demeaning to everyone you're trying to slip this by.
Jason Borg
Aug 3rd 2011, 23:17
B'dal-kummenti mhux ta' b'xejn li qatt ma ġibt iktar minn erba' voti, sur mexxej u fundatur u l-uniku membru tal-partit tal-alfa.
Vincent Galea
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:27
Your wrong doings, were your self betrayals. You not only failed to manifest God in the world, but also preventing yourselves from expressing and expanding who we really are. All wrong doing is based on being someone we are not, whether we know it or not.
You have already been punished not for your sins but by your sins.
Your lives were one big rip off when you ripped yourselves from God. You must have suffered a self imposed spiritual exile much worse than your prison sentence and you know it.You cut the ground from beneath your feet. You cut yourselves out of the bigger picture.
You betrayed God and ultimately betrayed yourselves.
C Muscat
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:25
Why are the remarks only addressed to these culprits because they are priests? The crime is bad coming from any angle whether a priest or any other trusted member o the children. We need to prepare our families, our homes our children to be strong and the society to be harsh and severe with culprits. But to address the matter as i the church bless such crimes is far from the truth. The good and bad is only in the hands of God Almighty. We need to protect our children and our families from many peril including paedophiles whether priests, parents, step parents, relatives etc and it is high time to create a register a public register so that maybe the crime will be attacked and society defended.
N. Galea
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:19
Nixiteq nkun naf ghalfejn appelaw.. ara vera ma jisthux . Qas 6 snin habs ma huma bizejjed ghal li ghamlu ahseb u ara!
Mr Ernest Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:39
L-Appell huwa dritt sagrosant tal-bniedem...u dan id-dritt hadd ma jista jichadulhom...Waqt li nittama li tibqa s-sentenza imma issa ma nsirux ahna aghar minnhom billi ncahdulhom dan id-dritt. Nahseb int kieku titla l-qorti fuq xi haga mill-ewwel tammetti u taghti l-provi ta dak li ghamilt? L-Avukati stess jghidulek biex tghid li m'intiex hati, u wara dejjem isir l-appell. Issa jekk il-qorti ingusta li tarresta nies 'innocenti' jew ma nafx...ghax Alla jbierek kollha nnocenti jghidu li huma....Inti taf li lanqas habta ma jammettu li ghandhom tort in-nies?
carmel muscat
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:29
min jaf kemm ommijiet missirijiet u nanniet kinu abbuzaw min tfal u U BAQA KOLLOX MISTUR SAL GURNATA TAL LUM JIEN NEMMEN LI DAWN IL VITMI LEJN IL FLUS QEDIN IHARSU U LEJN XEJN AKTAR IZ ZMIEN ITIJNA RAGUN
N. Galea
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:53
Sew qed tghid vera... Pero dan mhux kas komuni dik li irrid nghid. Kas bhal dan ghandhu jkollu certu 'restrictions'. Ara kemm ilhom ghaddejin bihom dawn il kazi ta u jaf hawn minnhom li qas biss nafu bihom. Jien laktar haga li tini gewwa li dawn huma nies jmexxu l-kelma ta Alla u jghamlu affarijiet tal biza! Qas irrid nimagina min xiex ghaddew, tbatija ta vera. Meta tikumpara is 6 li jaf jghamlu fil habs ghat tbatija li sofrew dawn in nies fil hajja tahom, hi wisq ftit. Alinqas dik lopinjoni tieghi. Haqqhom izjed min hekk biex FORSI forsi ta.... jhossu ftit min dak li hassew u batew dawn in nies tul hajtihom. Hija wisq difficli tigi ftieghek wara trawma bhal dik. Biss biss il hsibijiet diga huma hafna!
William Flynn
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:08
@ John Zammit-Spiteri
Paedophiles don't exist only within the church; that is correct. But only ONE organisation treats child rape as a sin to be forgiven, then concealed with the rapist priest allowed to continue to rape for decades in different parishes.
ONE organisation had an institutionalised conspiracy to delay justice which continues to this day.
That organisation is the (Un)Holy Catholic Apostolic church of Rome; with its popes, cardinals and bishops (including the bishops of these Islands) protecting the hyenas preying on our young innocents.
How I wish there were a hell sometimes; but since there is no hell and they certainly don't believe there is hell to do these crimes.
So, let's make sure the church is denuded of all power and protection and be made to suffer the just consequences of its criminal activity of the worst kind.
Forget about the hereafter; make the bastards pay here and now! Hefty prison sentences and hefty punitive damages for everyone in the conspiracy....right up to the top.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:34
@william flynn
M Mifsud was right! , what exactly is your point? your comments are vile and disgusting. Who are you to judge a whole institution?
Every institution has its black sheep , yet you are full of venom against the whole church which is not made of what you say. By the way paedophilia is disgusting as much as your comments. I dont wish to sound political but a certain political party committed criminal violent acts and we never heard " we are sorry" .
I dont think I will ever bother to answer a person like you who has a chip on his shoulder. You only want to see what you imagine.
Paedophiles are disgusting and are criminals, so are people who encourage religious hatred , they are just as criminal. Intollerance like yours brings about human misery. I am shocked that your comments are aired here.
Mr Tommy Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:57
But only ONE organisation treats child rape as a sin to be forgiven.
Thankfully the Church, in the name of the good God you don't believe in forgives not only child rape but every other sin no matter how grotesque, where there is true contrition.
So you would rather live in a vindictive state that seeks revenge than in a forgiving and reconciliatory one!!
Let him who is without sin cast the frist stone.
William Flynn
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:09
John Zammit-Spiteri
M Mifsud lacks the ability to comprehend plain, common language and as do you. You are a pair of blind apologists refusing to see the crime of concealment by the church authorities which is as clear as day to everyone else all over the world.
I couldn't care less what you think. It's the facts that matter and you can't see the facts; you will never see the facts. Just read these comments; the anger against the church and its bishops is palpable. I'm not writing them all.
The church and its leaders are as guilty as sin and they will be made to pay if it takes a hundred years. The people have had enough.
If anything, this newspaper and its editorial are too soft on the church. Everyone should be clamouring for a secular judicial enquiry.
Mr Kevin J Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:10
With all due respect Mr Zammit Spiteri, Mr Flynn is right
The church has hidden these child rape cases and so many thousands of others over its history. This is (a) a crime against humanity together with its other crimes and (b) by virtue of ordering the hiding of crimes (issued by the Pope), the Church is no worse than the mafia. At least the latter are open about being a criminal organisation and don't hide behind religion.
It should be eradicated completely
carmel spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:07
according to what has been testified in court, Fr. Scerri is lying under oath. this, for example when he says that during the cases he was not in malta. when evidence from his passport show otherwise!
Albert Ostimani
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:31
If he's a priest who's able to rape, then he's probably able to lie too, right?
Mr Pierre Portelli
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:34
How can we continue to refer to such a man as 'father'? Mr. Scerri please!
Mr john vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:07
Whatever these men are alleged to have done and found guilty a lot of people will have to talk about. What I find strange other parents did the same allegations and did not get years in jail? is it we have one law and lot of measure depending to the competence of the lawyers.
You sure know how to beat the drums when it comes to the church! and I thought it only happen on Super.
This is not the same conservative paper that I grew into.
Noel Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:01
Ma ghandix tehel l knisja kollha, pero zgur gejna fi stat li ma tista tafda lil hadd. Dawn kriminali bl gheruq u xniexel, ma tistax tghid kliem iehor. Dawn huma nies suppost li tmur ghandhom tafda il problemi li jkollok. Issa lanqas f nies bhal dwm ma ghanda fiducja, Il Kurja ma nafx jekk zammitomx, imma l ewwel reazzjoni kellha tkun li tikkundanhom hi stess. Pero issa l izball sar u hadu ftit milli haqqhom. Kieku kont jien kont nibathom izjed ghax abbuza mit tfal, abbuza mill innocenza, abbuza mill batut, abbuzaw mill foqra. KOLLOX kontra li ghallimna Sidna Gesu Kristu. Min ghandu widnejn ha jisma, min ghandu ghajnejn ha jara u minn ghandu mohh ha jifhem
Ms Rebecca Bartolo
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:00
I am glad they got sent to jail. I am not glad that they got such a short sentence. I hope the shame destroy them slowly over the long days they'll have locked up to reflect on what they caused those poor boys to go through.
Roberta Ferrante
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:32
well said, and I sincerely hope that they do not get released for good conduct before their full jail term.
Mr Hubert Paul Farrugia
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:38
They're pedos... they won't understand... and that is why they had to be locked for good!
adrian attard
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:48
The late GIGA received the Queen's pardon and was released for killing her son!
M Cassar
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:52
This case shows why it is important to have a clear distincition between the role of the state and the church in our society. Had the Church had its way on this case, these priests would never have been brought to justice. Our law courts with all their limitations ensure that our society is not administered by a theocracy.
Wayne Criggs
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:44
@M Cassar
A wise and intelligent point, said at the right time.
I agree 100%.
Ruby Jenner
Aug 2nd 2011, 22:10
Well said, M Cassar. If it hadn't been for the victims speaking out and insisting this went all the way to the Vatican it would have been swept under the carpet.
Mr Joe Gatt
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:47
`The accused originally stood charged together with a third, who passed away last January, aged 63.`
We see faces of the living only??
Sentence should also be passed on this perverted person, his remains should be exhumed and cremated, the remains should be symbolicly locked up in Jail.
Justice has to be served even after death, and the Church should dishonour him also.failing this then the Church would be condoning his disgraceful acts,
Charlie Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:33
Justice? Or something else, you're after?
I think you should leave that to the Judge of judges!
George Lewis
Aug 2nd 2011, 19:51
Is your comment not stretching to the limit of vengeance and not justice?May the dead rest in peace A lot of comments seem to be coming from people who are readily prepared to throw the first stone.
Mr Joe Gatt
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:49
@Charlie Borg & George Lewis
So by dieing, one`s wrong doings can be excused, hidden, swept under the Carpet.
So two individuals, are being sentenced, named and shamed, rightfully so too.
Yet another pervert is being considered clean and honest, escaping justice just because he died?
Is it a mentality that, if you are not caught stealing then you are not a thief, maybe considered a Saint?
Nothing to do with the Institution, but only if there was not an attempt to Cover up what was happening, in the process perhaps aiding further the rape of the Innocent, by Default.
We are taught that the Almighty will pass final judgement, that may be the case, but judgement should be passed here on Earth too.
The message should be quite clear.
No Matter What `YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT HIDE`
For no other reason but as a DETERENT.
angelo cilia
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:46
A slap on the wrist sentence for these vile paedophiles!
Is Godwin Scerri going to be extradited to St. Catharine's Ontario Canada to face the charges of paedophile rape on young boys there after he finishes his sentence in Malta ? He still is on a Canada wide most wanted list by the RCMP.
John Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:42
We should not make the big mistake of condemning the whole clergy. The focus should be directed to the very few who abuse. I do not have much compassion for these few, especially if the abuse was being carried out systematically. These are heinous crimes.
I pity these young men as they definitely have been scarred for life.
But I do have a lot of compassion for the majority of priests and nuns who have sacrificed their lives tending unwanted children. Unfortunately the bad always manages to win the limelight.
I strongly believe that celibacy is to be revisited by the church authorities.
Mr william cauchi
Aug 2nd 2011, 17:23
Celibacy??? what are you talking about??
Seeing what they did, they are surely not likely to be the marrying type......... to a woman to be exact!!.
We would need another referendum to permit marriage to the partner they have in mind.............
Mr mark johnson
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:39
These guys knew what they were doing was wrong.
They abused children when they were in a position of trust.
I am seriously worried about the state of our society when even after conviction their actions are being defended by comments on here.
Why shouldn't they be punished for what they did?
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
John Zammit-Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:38
@ Mr Ernest Vella,
I agree with your comment and I think that justice has been served. This is not a war against the Church. There are people who do bad all the time and we condemn it loudly. But there are good priests too, who dedicate their life and do a lot of good. Bad is bad wherever it originates from . Good is good. Recently the comments against the church have gathered momentum and it seems that there are many who have chips on their shoulders.
The victims have experienced a lot of hardships and I support them to get on with their lives. Now justice has been served and we must not break an institution which has done a lot of good in the past , in the present and also in the future.
We should address our attention to the " Human Nature" . Paedophilia is a shame on humanity, and we should not label it unto the church. We should focus more wherever children are. We should monitor their behaviour. We should question and we should not be ready to slam guilt without investigating.
Criminal minds are not stupid. Criminals are much more clever than we think. They know how to hide and how to twist facts. But Criminals emerge from any age and there is no qualifying age to be a criminal.
My sadness is addressed to the continious rise of births by extremely young mothers , who are very much under age. These never get investigated! They not only are breaking the law , but they receive state benefits and what have you !
Paedophilia cases are not only when priests abuse young boys, but even when an older man has sex with a girl severely under age with or without her consent, and vice versa. These cases have never been brought to justice.
And if the under age girl obliges to have sex with a much older man, he could get into serious trouble if she decides to blackmail him if something goes wrong in the set up, as already experienced.
We need to check our laws when it comes to sexual age of consent. We need to do a lot of things, our laws need to be brushed up and brought up to date.
Our life styles have brought about more sexual exposure to young children than ever before. Even parents are guilty in this matter. How is our dress code? Dont we notice how we are dressed in the streets. We have become more promiscious , and just looking around , our streets have become one seaside avenue where one can walk about scantily dressed without any considerations on who might be looking. The way we dress has become a language , and I think that something has to be done soon , because such incidents are going to be a nightmare on our very backward society.
It should be considered highly illegal for any person to be dressed in a very sexy way. Humans have apetites and no one can expect not to be looked at if one is dressed in a manner to attract attention.
What are our children watching alone in their bedrooms? Do we check them constantly , or we make it so easy for them by providing access to such?
There is a lot to learn from these cases. Blaming the Church wont solve anything. I am sure the Church is hurt deeply , because there are thousand more priests who are kind and respectful and do a lot of good.
There is a lot of good in every institution and there are black sheep in every family or institution. Black sheep are to be monitored and to be watched and punised if not complying with the norms of society.
We have to check ourselves seriously in these cases. Paedophiles dont stemm from the church , but they could be anyone near you . They are not only males , but they can be any sex and age and in any position. By focusing entirely on the church we will only facilitate other hiding paedophiles to freely act unnoticed, and to make their disgusting acts easy.
my sympathy goes with the victims and may they start a new fresh page, they could do a lot of good to society and teach us with the tactics of paedophiles and their methods, so as to safegaurd our unsespecting children.
Ms Lina CARUANA
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:38
It is a sad day for us Catholics to witness this event when two priests are found guilty of abuse on the unfortunate children left in their care. Who knows how many childless couples would have welcomed their presence in their loving homes. May God have mercy on the priests and help the young people live a more serene future. Let this be a lesson to all parents to treasure their children and not to trust them far away from their sight.
William Flynn
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:23
If the Maltese press had any spine this would only be the beginning. The editors of newspapers, the TV presenters and the politicians (who after all are supposed to protect us and our young innocents), should be aflame clamouring for a Cloyne type enquiry to make the bishops cough up the rest of the rapist priests, monks, brothers, nuns etc.
These two convicted child rapists would be the tip of the iceberg and should be thrown in jail for life.
And we have the bishops who protected, concealed, conspired and condoned the rapes as mere sins rather than crimes, having the cheek to insist upon having a right to tell us what's morally right and what's wrong under Article 2 of the Constitution??
Are ALL our MP's sitting on their hands while this is happening? Led by our PM who is scandalised voting YES for divorce, which is a human right; yet has no conscientious qualms about letting his dear bishops get away with this “holy” conspiracy involving the rape of children?
What a disgrace.
M. Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:40
Mr.Fynn,
What's your point? Is it the case of the two priests. Is it the divorce issue? Is it the Prime Minister's vote on the question of Divorce?
Sorry but there was too much venom in your comment.
William Flynn
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:25
M.Mifsud
Don't apologise to me for your own lack of sense to see the connection of the dots in my argument.
The failure is all yours.
Demis Micallef
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:20
Hope they serve their jail term in prison & hope the sentences won't be reduced on appeal. Ara vera ma jisthux jappellaw mis-sentenza!!!
M. Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:17
Let's refrain from commentiong on this case till the sentence is either confirmed or reformed by the Court of Criminal Appeal. That is how things in a normal democracy proceed.
Mr Mark Vella Bardon
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:11
180,000 euro to fight the referendum for divorce, literally down the drain!
How may euro to fight this court case and appeal?
Will these victims receive compensation for their suffering.
Neither cash nor the conviction will erase the psychological harm that these misdeeds have caused.
But the authorities have finally noticed that it is important to show that the long arm of the law, even at snail pace, is equal for everyone.
Meanwhile, the Church Response Team continues to drag its feet!
Ms Louise Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:09
All over the world when Roman Catholic bishops got to know of yet another case of sexual abuse by priests they promised to look into the matter and all they did was transfer the offending priests to yet another parish where they could continue abusing children. Abusive priests simply vanished for apparently no reason from one parish and placed in another parish. Parishioners were not told why the priests were being transferred. The public would assume that it was because of the need of the diocese. It would later come to light that they were transferred because of credible accusations of sexual abuse. Bishops just wanted to keep the scandal under wraps at all costs. It is quite reasonable to assume that this pattern of behaviour was also repeated in the Maltese diocese. It is clear to me that bishops are accomplices in this crime. I am truly scandalized by the Church's deviousness in hiding the horrific abuse over decades.
Judy Jones
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:40
These very courageous victims are to be commended for taking action and not giving up to expose the truth and protect kids. This is an extremely hard thing to do especially when the church officials fight victims with everything they’ve got. For years these victims kept their persistence, and finally got these predator priests in jail.
Hopefully others who have been harmed by clergy will also get to have their day in court. This is the only way to get this horrible abuse and cover up of these crimes exposed, and those responsible held accountable.
Children never deserve to be treated so horrific, so keep in mind your silence only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others.
Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA,
snapjudy@gmail.com
"Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests" and all clergy.
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
Judy Jones
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:43
These very courageous victims are to be commended for taking action and not giving up to expose the truth and protect kids. This is an extremely hard thing to do especially when the church officials fight victims with everything they’ve got. For years these victims kept their persistence, and finally got these predator priests in jail.
Hopefully others who have been harmed by clergy will also get to have their day in court. This is the only way to get this horrible abuse and cover up of these crimes exposed, and those responsible held accountable.
Children never deserve to be treated so horrific, so keep in mind your silence only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others.
Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA,
snapjudy at gmail dot com
"Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests" and all clergy.
SNAPNetwork dot org
Mr leo attard
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:01
All should bear in mind that it wasn't the priesthood that was put on trial, but the actions of two individuals. If we are to take the wrongdoing individual and use him / her as a representative of the section of society that he or she is a member of, then no one is safe or innocent.... To balance the scales, i can name priests and nuns who have risked their lives (and some actually lost them) while performing missionary work abroad, priests who clean lepers wounds, priests who were bitten by cobras and risked other dangers while performing, voluntarily, duties whose sole purpose was to improve the lives of those less fortunate... Prejudice is rampant! some bloggers are even demanding that the priests not appeal but accept the verdict! Even priests have the legal and democratic right to appeal! So why this anti-clericalism and generalisation? Again, two men who work as priests were found guilty, and not the priesthood!...One more thing, some bloggers should refrain from emphasizing the word 'catholic' giving the impression that catholic priests have some kinfd of a monopoly on child abuse which exists in all religions and social levels.
Mr John Caruana
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:29
You are right in your comment if it was not for the fact that these abuses, and I am not only refering to the Maltese priests, have been going on for years and the church hierarchy covered them up and that for me is the real shame.
Unfotunately all organisations have bad apples it is a question of whether there is a will from the top echelons of that organisation to erdicate them or cover for them
Joseph A Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:24
the worldwide church was put on trial because for decades it buried these cases with many of the original perpetrators. The institution failed to move with the times until it was put in the lime light. I assume other institutions do the same hiding and obfuscating what with the US military and sex abuse of male and female recruits. THere's enough to read on that online.
These are holy cows in the public's psyche that need to be made to conform with what's expected from all powerful institutions: public accountability and transparency commensurate with the power vested in them by society. I don't respect the church because it's made of holier people. I respect it because it does useful work for society in general. When that stops to be the case, I'll work and toil to bring it down.
carmel muscat
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:30
prosit tal kumment sabih tijjek kulhadt qed jinsa li meta tiponta subajk lejn xi hadt emm seba minnon jiponta lejk stess VOLDIRI HADT MA JAF GHADA jekk xi hadt min uliedna stess ghadx ikun huwa li jigi akkuzzat liabbuzza mit tfal
Mr Charles Grima
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:59
Although I expected the verdict to be harsher, I am still aghast at the goings-on of the the two priests.
As an ex-SPMC student, I remember both Fr.Pulis and the late Br.Bonnett. I can truthfully say that I never saw any wrongdoing personally, so these events are even more shocking to me...
Eventually we mustn't put all the priests under one umbrella...
And my personal opinion is that a person not having any sexual liasions is simply unnatural...
Mr Hubert Paul Farrugia
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:52
That is because you were not an ideal victim for them.... They groomed selectively.
Mr mark johnson
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:54
They are still walking around like free men until the appeal is held.
Joseph Camilleri
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:40
Good. Let the healing now start. It would be opportune to get swift closure on any appeals the guilty parties have a right to so that all involved can move on. One hopes that from all this pain, some good will come out.
Ms D. Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:39
'Fr Scerri was charged, on his own, of raping a boy at Marfa. He was acquitted of that charge because the rape had not taken place at Marfa, but at St Joseph Home.'
This is unbelievable. Did the rape take place or not? I think it's irrelevant whether it was at Marfa or in Hamrun, if it took place he should be punished for that too.
John A. Gauci
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:20
Agree 100% with Ms D. Borg
Ġ. Agius
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:37
I believe that them being priests, it was wrong to judge them in the public courthouse. There should have been an internal Curia court and private sentence, no need to make these priests public. They're priests, after all, not normal people.
Mr Joseph Micallef
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:16
Are you serious? NOT NORMAL PEOPLE? !!!!
Mr Guido Farrugia
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:17
Tell us you're kidding Mr. Agius, please tell us!!!!!!
susan pace
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:25
yes they are priests. normal people dont rape young boys. sick people do. And anybody fought guilty of rape and abuse of children should be named and shamed,
Albert Ostimani
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:29
Are you insane? What makes them different from "normal people" is that they choose to spend their life praying, ect. Thus, they still are to be put behind bars if they commit a serious crime. And fined too.
Mr Joseph Calleja
Aug 2nd 2011, 16:50
"They're priests, after all, not normal people. " Hellooooo Mr Agius. Hate to wake you up. Priests are normal people like you and I. Where do you come up with this ridiculous stuff?
Mr Joseph Calleja
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:11
The verdict is in, and I hope the eight men get some kind of closure. Five and six years in prison is no picnic for these two aging priests, unless these sentences are somehow reduced or suspended. These two men should serve the full term of their sentences, but we will have to wait and see. Now we have to wait for the second phase of this pedophile abuse, and that is the monetary compensation by the church. The church is just as guilty in protecting these three convicted pedophile priests. And of course what can be said about the Curia Response team? They are still searching for a conclusion after ten years, this judgment should give them a clue? What happened with the 13 other pedophile priests? Are they still practicing priests? Are they still allowed to hear confessions from little innocent children? Why all the hush, hush? Putting the Curia Response Team to investigate such cases is like putting the wolf in charge of the chicken coop. It is as bad as putting them in charge of Annulments.
Mr Kurt Waschnig
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:09
This is again an important day two Catholic priests have been jailed for six years and five years, respectively, after being convicted of sexually abusing boys at St Joseph Home in Hamrun.
These heinous crimes were committed by them 20 years ago.
Delivering the verdict shows that Malta has an independent judiciary.
Abusing and raping children destroys dreams, the future and hopes of children.
The victims, who were then aged between 13 and 16, were resident at St Joseph’s Home in Sta Venera in the late 1980s when the abuse took place.
They could not defend themselves and they were dependent on the priests.
The verdict was greeted by the victims and explained that some of the victims ended up taking drugs, some have died.
Fr Charles Pulis and Fr Godwin Scerri will appeal.
To appeal from the verdict is the wrong way because it shows clearly that Fr Charles Pulis and Fr Godwin Scerri do not realise and recognise what they had done and how they harmed children.
Both should repent and not appeal from the verdict.
This is the way Christians shall choose accepting the verdict and repent and undergo a therapy.
Lawrence Grech is right when he says that the Church process had taken too long but he should not forget that in June 2010, Archbishop Cremona apologised for the delay in the Church investigation.
But we as believers need the Catholic Church, the message of the Church is joy, happiness, love and understanding and our personal faith gives us a meaning of life in a world with conflicts and problems.
The Catholic Church and the Caritas have been doing so much for the elderly, handicapped , drug addicts and in other fields.
Again I understand faith in the way that everything must be done for the victims and if perpetrators repent there should be forgiveness.
The Catholic Church of Malta has introduced the first steps to eradicate child abuse it is true that it has taken a long time but we shall see the efforts taken by the Church.
It comes from my heart now I wish the victims that they can lead a dignified life with joy and happiness.
Best regards
Kurt Waschnig Oldenburg Germany
M. Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:09
Mr.Kurt Wasching. These two priests both have a right to appeal and they are just availing themselves of that right. Under the Maltese Constitution everyone has a right to an appeal. Therefore I don't think that they should renounce to this right. I don't think that it is right and fair at this stage, when the two priests both have a rightv to appeal from the judgement given, to go online and state that:-
"Both should repent and not appeal from the verdict.
This is the way Christians shall choose accepting the verdict and repent and undergo a therapy".
If these two priests have a right to appeal they should be allowed to carry on with their appeal without being chastised for taking their case to the Court of Appeal.
This is simply not fair
Kurt Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:51
@M.Mifsud - Of course but what does that mean? It means the same thing as when they appointed the BEST lawyers in the country = GUILTY! And that's why I blame the whole church because it protects them, it pays for these lawyers, it hides these priests in schools and among children!
Mr Slim Bartolo
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:08
G'day fromm down under, not so long ago i read of a similar article in one of our local papers, regarding yet>another Maltese priest a certain Fr.Joseph Sultana at Altherton, apparently this so called priest regularly abused a student at Altherton school up in Queensland regularly between march 79 and November 1982. i don't know what it is with catholic priests but gee i am very dubious about sending my kids to one of their schools whether in Aus. or in Malta. they have left a bad legacy about the whole concept of it all. I just hope the guy in the video has got it all off his chest and will lead a normal life. Good Luck Mate and good day all. Slim from Parramatta.
Mr Stephen Caruana
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:34
True these 'priests' should be given a sentence just the same way a normal person should.
However please note that there are hundreds of maltese priests both in Malta and abroad. 'If a lemon tree has one bad lemon, would that mean that the whole tree is bad' I don't think so.
Mr R ferriggi
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:04
unbeleivable ;
the case was upheld because the rape took place at St Joseph Home not in marfa.
THAT is law courts for you.
unbeleivable.
Alex Fenech
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:00
6 years for 9 nine cases.
8 months in jail per abused child (excluding usual reductions for good conduct)
What message is this giving to other abusers?
Albert Ostimani
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:38
Exactly, you are completely right. At least they should have given 1 year for each case.
Mr edward ciantar
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:56
It is a total farce.
Simon Hansford
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:53
I agree with most that 5 and 6 years for ruining, then kids's innocence and this in care of those they should trust, and furthermore stained their memories with horrific experiences is nothing less then shambles, they should be locked away for LIFE !
Mr Ernest Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:49
Justice made its judgement...now pls stop vomitting the hatered towards the Church...These are a very little few and while justice must be done but now lets stop hurting ourselves and look forward. In Malta, we like to hurt ourselves...Lets now remember all those priests who gave there life towards the Maltese people, so much lay persons who sacrifice there loves and with their money make so precious work with our children, youths, families, with all of us. Imagine for instance Malta without so much catechists, youth leaders, members of various groups and Societies. With your vomit you are attacking them too. This is all a hidden agenda to continue ridicule and attack the church so that secular ideas enter and with them your gains
Jason Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:06
Stop wasting your breath, Mr. Vella. They will never stop, not even if all the world's clergy are imprisoned or hanged.
Mr R ferriggi
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:06
your words clearly show that you were not a victim.
if you were,,, you PROBABLY would be talking a little bit different.
Andrew Azzopardi
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:17
Ernest,
I do not think people are trying to spew this hatred towrds the church with an alterior motive. people are angry at the church and they have many reasons to be angry.
I am sure nobody thinks that Everyone in the church is wrong and im sure people realise the good that the church has done, but on t.he other hand the church has lied, cheated and abused people without justice.
I do not agree with false and unfair accutasions but i do think that the Church needs to wake up and progress!
I personally think the Church has done more good than harm, but yet the church has become an arrogant monster that needed to be adressed!
Ian Chetcuti
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:33
Mr Vella, I don't think anybody ever said that all priests were chid abusers. The church had been criticised all over the world for the way it protected these perverts and move them around from one parish to the next. One of these two criminals who were sentenced today is on the run from Canadian justice. And yet, when he came back to Malta, he was placed in St Joseph's home for boys. Do you think that was a good move?
Kurt Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:38
Lanqas taf x'qed tghid Ernest. Meta kont skola dawn il-qassisin flimkien ma ohrajn li ma ssemmewx aw jew ax mietu jew ax sparixxew, kienu jigru ma saqajna. Kienu ilhom snin ghaddejin biha, ta l-anqas 15-il sena qabel ma dhalna ahna, jien illum ghandi 28 sena, ghax tkellimt ma nies li kienu old boys qabli u kienu jinnutaw certu karezzi ma certu tfal. Tigix tghidli li l-qassisin l-ohra ma kienux jafu! Mela hatja daqshom!
Loreto Camilleri
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:52
I agree with you 100%,we all forget about all the good preists.
Mr Joseph Calleja
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:56
Mr Vella, most priests are good loving and giving priests but there are the few that make it look bad for the rest. These three pedophile priests, not to mention the other 13 mentioned above priest pedophiles abused innocent children and should be punished. If anybody is vomiting, it is you. The reason people are attacking the church is because the church did it's utmost to hide these atrocities and that makes the church just as guilty if not more. A good example is the Curia Response Team who after ten years of investigations is still running round in circles and searching for a conclusion. I rest my case.
Alfred Gatt
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:39
A priest is a human being and is subject to frailty just like anyone else. Those who are passing harsh comments and judgements (not the Magistrate as that is his duty) be careful that they do not find themselves doing an action which might be just as bad or even worse. We are very quick to judge others but always extremely slow to judge ourselves. This does not mean that one condones what has been done. But remember the many hundreds of priests who have done and are still doing great good to our Maltese society. Let us not forget this.
A Dimech
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:11
Alfred - this is no longer a "judgement" but a FACT!!! These two priests are now criminals - and proved as such by a criminal law.
I also believe that in Malta we have another law - that not to obstruct the course of justice. A question for the police is:- did the church obstruct the course of justice? did they hide crime? If the answer is yes, (judgement at this stage), then the church is implicit in this doing as well.
Mr Michael Camileri
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:26
Mr Gatt
Are you suggesting that their sexual abuse towards these people is justified putting into consideration the good they have done for Maltese society?
Sounds a very sick and twisted logic if you ask me...
D. Tanti
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:48
Mr. Camilleri, naħseb tant int ħerqan li titfa t-tajn fuq is-saċerdoti li lanqas fhimt dak li qal Mr. Alfred Gatt. Hu ma qalx li dak li għamlu huwa ġġustifikat minħabba l-ġid li għamlu lis-soċjeta.
Dak li għamlu huwa ħażin. Imma ma tistax tikkundanna lis-saċerdoti kollha jew il-Knisja...għax żbaljaw tnejn!!
Jekk bi żball ta' tnejn, tikkundanna s-saċerdoti kollha, allura "..that sounds a very sick and twisted logic!"
Mr Michael Camileri
Aug 3rd 2011, 07:46
Thankyou D Tanti
My misunderstanding! Thanks for clarifying
Ms Louise Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:32
Bishops Mercieca, Cremona and Grech, who project themselves as pillars of the community, must start telling a few truths. They should reveal all they know about the cover-up of priests. They know a number of priests have been credibly accused of sexually abusing minors and yet they do not name them and tell us where they live. A shepherd's job is to protect the flock not to let a wolf attack a defenceless lamb. Nobody except bishops knows the identity and location of credibly accused priests, who have even been defrocked by the Vatican because of their crimes. So how are bishops certain that no one is been harmed by these evil priests?
Through their silence and failure to inform the public of the priests’ history of abusing children, the bishops breach their duty towards the public. Bishops hide from parents and children their knowledge that a number of priests are dangerous sexual predators. They must stop appearing to be protecting paedophiles and they must start protecting children. This silence cannot continue.
Anthony Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:03
02/08/2011 14:03
If such cases of child abuse by local priests were hidden from the reach of the State’s justice, in my opinion, both bishops should resign forthwith.
No more petty excuses of “protecting the flock” – the “flock” were people who tended sheep at the time.
Today’s congregations are not dumb sheep.
Reuben D. Spiteri
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:30
I was almost expecting a suspended sentence as it seems like the new trend.
Thankfully i was mistaken.
TuffyDavies Davidson
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:28
Just because there is a priest or a nun in the family this doesn't automatically means that the immediate family find a place in heaven, the once i know whos son is a priest or a man of the cloth, you won't believe it but at times i hear them arguing and swearing like nobody's business, i can't understand your lingo but i can put 2&2 together, or even expect respect or priority because my daughter is mother superior or my son is a priest, they are all humans and just like humans they all fail at one time or another in their lives, they also like money just like anyone else. We see it all the time here in the UK and i noticed such things exactly same when in Malta, so over the years nothing has changed i dare say.
Mr V Mercieca
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:19
"The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones"
(Mark Anthony's speech from Julius Ceaser by Shakespeare)
I believe this is also the case with these two priests.
Kevin Camilleri
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:19
Let's not put everyone in the same basket!
First of all, I condemn what happened, and agree that Justice had to be done and it is shameful that the church did not report these facts before and as soon as the church was informed what had happened.
HOWEVER, I attended St. Paul's Missionary College, and I am PROUD that I have attended to that college. I have seen commitment and dedication by all the Fathers and brothers who work in the college and also those who did not directly work withing the college but are involved withing the organisation. It is because not all the youths have access to this sort of upbringing that we have all sorts of rubbish in today's society!
Let's not put everyone in the same basket! These two Fathers failed, big time, but what about those parents who sexually abuse and rape their children... aren't those bigger monsters since the children are flesh of their same flesh?
What they did is unacceptable, and they got what they deserved, but let's not use this moment to crucify the Church, since now this seems to be a local hobby. There are thousands of Fathers and Sisters out there giving their life, everyday, for the society - something, a number of people screaming at the church never did and will never do!
A Dimech
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:06
Absolutely - there are many nuns and priests working hard for the society. 100% agree.
However, what most people disagree with it the church as an institution which "hides" this deeds. That is a conscious decision with the higher authorities in the church have taken - to hide and protect crime. That is unacceptable - and it masks all the good work which other priests do on a daily basis.
Sylvana Camilleri
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:15
bad priests do not exist....those guilty are bad persons who become priests to attack the vulnarable! the church has a lot of good people who dedicate their lives to help others....
Mr Patrick Zammit
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:03
A bad church exists, one which protects pedophile priests.
Mr R ferriggi
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:08
u are right but it does not change anything.....
bad priests do exist,,, as do holy priests.
lets call bad bad. not try to change the wording.
vincent zerafa
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:14
A very well done to the victims! You must have been waiting for this day and finally it came. In my view, those who sexually abuse children should get a much longer prison sentence.
I just hope that all those priests and nuns who have abused children shall finally be brought to justice!
D. Xerri
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:09
ONLY 5years and 6years !! For such cases they would have at least got 15years each along with at least 100,000Euros compensation sum for every victim !!
I expect to see national programmes on Maltese TV well known for their high audiences - to do programmes on this court trial and verdict so people become more aware of such realities around us !!
Mr Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:09
Malta votes in favour of divorce and offending priests are imprisoned for the first time ... Malta's own reformation is on its way?!
John Scerri
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:12
Maybe the time will come when we 'll see some MP or high ranking professional tax evader going to jail for not paying taxes or corruption
Colin Stanley
Aug 2nd 2011, 15:48
yes maybe same sex marriage next, dream on.
Alfred Pule
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:08
These culprits spoiled physcologically the whole life of these innocent victims. They deserve life sentence to serve them as a lesson ! More annoying is that they are appealing the verdict ! So it can be interpreted that they pretend was nothing wrong - Shame to these hypocretes !
Curia should promptly remove these proud dirty guys from their priesthood and prohibit them from holy communion ! - they acted as self-passioned individualists .
Jason Zammit
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:06
6 and 5 years only ??????? lock them in jail for their life time
Kurt Mifsud
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:35
Don't worry Jason, it's gonna be a looong loooong time for them. Hope you do know what happens to paedophiles in jail :)
Charlie Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:06
Lou Bondi' .... is seen alongside the victims. But where does he come into the equation? May I ask?
Philip Hili
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:18
@ Charlie Borg
To produce a "soap opera"!!!! Ma drajtux issa?
Mr Hubert Paul Farrugia
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:24
For your info, he was head of the group representing the victims (a little click on 'Related articles' would have been enough to clarify this)
David Caruana
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:26
Tajba din! So when a journalist does his job, we say that he is PRODUCING drama.
Philip, Lou doesn't need to produce anything - the drama has been PRODUCED by these priests and the Church which dragged its feet to punish the guilty
Mr L Zammit
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:59
Kuntent sur Borg. Basta tfajt dubju fuq Bondi'. Kif kollha l-istess timxu! Dejjem hekk kontu u ma titbiddlu QATT.
Philip Hili
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:59
@ hubert paul Farrugia
Mr Farrugia,
As far as I know because this was said by Mr. Lawrence Grech, the head who represented the victims was Mr. Lawrence Grech himself and not Mr Lou Bondi'.
We on earth know that in the first palace, Mr. Lou Bondi came in this matter because he wanted to produce a program on a TV station. These are facts that could not be denied. I do not know whether I will be correct if I say that the public became more aware of this case was because of the program aired by a TV station which produces Lou Bondi' programs.
That is where my comment comes in!!
@ David Caruana
David, there is a way how a journalist does his job and there is a way!!!
If in your opinion Lou Bondi' doesn't need to produce anything, he is collaborating to the production of such dramas.
Mr Karl Consiglio
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:19
He supports them, whats wrong with that?
Philip Hili
Aug 3rd 2011, 00:51
@Mr Karl Consiglio
X E J N !!!!!!
Id-dahhaqniex Karl.
Mr George Busuttil
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:05
We are a civilised country and we must act and behave as civilised, and for many of us Christian, people. Every0ne of us has his weakness. What these priesta have been found guilty of is a horrible crime more so as it was done on innocent boys in their charge. Having said that they are still human persons and should be treated as such. Obviously we should be glad that this case is now close to being concluded but we must also be charitable.
If these two priests will go to prison they are up for a hard time and we should and must do our utmost to see that they are treated fairly and that they do not come to any harm. Just as we should and must do in the case of every other prisoner.
Our organisation will do just that.
George Busuttil
Director
Fondazzjoni Mid-Dlam ghad-Dawl
Matthew Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:14
"And they are up for a hard time."
Well it would be pretty redundant for them to have an 'easy time' in prison.
They;ve only got 5/6 years, which will be reduced dramatically because of good behavior and what not. Forgive us for not doing our utmost to see no harm comes to them.
Mr W Cassar
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:16
Im sorry but I disagree!!
Mr Kyle Boffa
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:01
so you want to basically protect paedophiles and that they do not come to any harm?
Simon Hansford
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:05
Did they care of those in their care at such innocent ages? Did they act and behaved civilly when they raped and molested the then boys that had no one else to look up too ? Where they acting Christian like ? Did they act fairly when it was their responsibility to care and protect ? Have they not ruined the lives of these victims ?
Carmel Zammit
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:04
Archbishop Cremona apologised for the delay in the Church investigation. The church however did not delay its decision to barr Dr. Deborah Schembri and others from representing clients in the marriage tribunal. I think in both cases the church acted in the most charitable way!!
Philip Hili
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:24
@ Carmel Zammit
You better not judge others who acted in the most charitable manner because one day you will find somebody else who might judge you the same way you are judging others!!!!!
Qabel ma tqabbez lil Dr. Deborah Schembri fin-nofs, ahjar tkun taf l-affarijiet l-ewwel!!
Anthony Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:13
Maybe it’s sarcasm, maybe not?
Christina Pace
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:55
The church punished those they found guilty of abuse byt limiting their pastoral activities to exclude contact with children...hmmm. Pray tell! What will one of these priests tell that budding pedophile who goes to them unkowingly for pastoral advice? Do it as long as you can be sure to nto get caught. Join the clergy first though cause it will protect you from jail.
What's happening with these 13 out of 45 accused.
wendy isaac
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:55
We moved to the island for a 3 year period, however after reading this disgusting stories and others very similar around the world, i just do not trust them, we would never send our daughter to a catholic school any more,, we know what it was like when she attended a nun's school for girls in Ireland, we just lost fate and trust in these people who are as far as i am concerned all Hypocrites.I think these 2 priests should be locked up and put on a sex register along with the other bastards. You people say that Gozo and Malta is a religious country, but i sugest looking even further & deeper and form your own opinion.
Ms S Micallef
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:01
as disgusted as i am with what happened i don't think it's fair to label all priests and nuns in the same way.
Many priests and nuns are good people and do a lot for society. The nuns of Mother Theresa, the nuns at the creche amongst many others do excellent work.
We should always look out for signs and be careful, peadophiles could be lurking everywhere.
Mr D Galea
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:25
Wendy, Today in the Church Schools one find many teachers which are neither priests nor nuns but lay people as me and you. So does not make such a difference where you would send your daughter.
TuffyDavies Davidson
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:33
Yes i agree Mr.Micallef there are some good people and naturally you are quite right we can't paint every one with the same brush, but these are only few and far in between, and mother Theresa is a good example of how a good priest or a nun should be. HENCE GIVE ALL HER earthly WEALTH TO HELP THE POOR-THE SICK AND THE DYING. I just wish some priests and nuns will take a leaf from here goodwill, then we shall all live happily ever after.
A Dimech
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:52
May I also kinldy suggest to the archibishop, that instad of speanding 200,000Euros campaigining against divorce, now spends the same amount (or more) to educate his troops to that unprotected children are not an object of pleasure, and alos to clean the church from tyranny!!
It is tyranny of the worse kind for the church to hide and protect pedeophiles, which now have been proven by justice to be such.
It is even more ironic for the church to then try to block divorce legislation - when in its midst there is such deeds happening, which deeds are it is trying to protect and hide.
I just ask - which on scale of "sin" does the archbishp places these:-
1. Unprotected Children abused and raped by priests;
2. Genuine couple whose marraige falls apart and tries to geninuely start their lives from scratch.
Tell us Archbishop.... your wisdom inspires us all!!
Mr Kevin J Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:58
Great point and great words ... this is tyranny to say the least
Mr V Mercieca
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:12
I believe that every Catholic person can answer that question and you don’t have to wait for the archbishop for a reply.
As Catholics we know there are venial and mortal sins. The two examples you mentioned are surly mortal sins.
Divorce is a civil law and people can use this law, however if they are Catholics, they know that morally it is wrong to use it.
Abuse and rape is always wrong and not only when performed by priests.
Philip Hili
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:34
@ A Dimech
Ma tahrablik okkazjoni biex issawwat lill-knisja!!!!
Dan jissejjah ANTIKLERIKALIZMU.
Billi tirraguna hekk l-argument li tkun ghamilt jekk taghamel argument, twaqqghu kollu.
A Dimech
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:02
@ Philip Hili;
I am anticlerical - and proud of it!!
I want Malta to become more secular in its ideas and to open its eyes. My arguments are valid 100%, and you know perfectly well they are.
j camilleri
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:52
And may they rot in hell for all the damage they had caused to these poor innocent human beings.
J. Galea
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:03
Minn ma ghandu l-ebda htija jwaddab l-ewwel gebla......................
Mr David Smith
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:50
May God forgive all those who commit an injustice, as well all those who rush to pass judgement. May God also forgive all those who refuse to forgive, or who foment hatred and intolerance.
Richard Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:04
May they burn in hell and never find any peace within their wretched souls.
K Attard
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:39
Justice was done??..very debateble!!!. I personally think that shattering the normal sexual balances and permanently scaring the life of all those innocent and defenceless boys merits much more than 5 or 6 years imprisonment. Its hard to express a just figure for such a horrible and willingly repeated act but I would say that removing these animals from society for at least twenty years would have been fairer. This act on these poor boys is like willingly murdering someone..not physically but emotionally and socially...then with the burden of your conscience repeating it over and over again and doing it to other people. Are we putting these things in to perspective? Are these priest going to endure real life prison at Corradino sharing cells and areas with people that although committed other crimes condemn such horrible act or we are just going to issue a medical (mental instability) waiver to accomodate these two at the 4 Star Mount Carmel (Hospital) HOTEL!!!!!
Mr twanny borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:38
l-akbar dnub kien li dawn kienu qed jirraprezentaw lill-knisja u li t-tfal imsieken suppost kienu fil-kura taghhom. il-knisja trid tiehu taghlima li tkecci u tirraporta lill-pulizija minnufih qassisin morda b'din il-kilba u li mhux kapaci jikkontrollaw.
A. Farrugia
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:37
The sentence is comparable to individuals who have admitted to similar cases in the past. Some people should inform themselves on our courts' sentencing practices before getting caught in mass hysteria. That way maybe we can contribute more to a rational debate about many important (but 'invisible') matters that are associated with the main issue.
If I may be permitted to say so, what we have here is far from being a case about these men, their frailties, and the Church... which all played their part in those children's tragedy, of course... We need to look further in order to protect our children better and treat all children on these islands with dignity and respect.
Alistor Aguis
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:33
finally justice... but one has to ask would this have happened if priest were allowed to get married?
Steve Elliott
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:56
That's like saying if the Yorkshire ripper was a carpenter instead of a truck driver he would not have killed his victims using a hammer
Alistor Aguis
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:20
I think sex is different...when one is deprived of it there is a certain frustration that needs to be released.
Steve Elliott
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:33
that makes it ok then does it?
Alistor Aguis
Aug 3rd 2011, 10:52
No I quite clearly did not say that.What I said is that to avoid creating more sexually frustrated child molesting monsters the church should consider letting the priests be the men that they are and get married.
Steve Elliott
Aug 3rd 2011, 13:42
then they cant be priests,simple
Mr Hubert Paul Farrugia
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:28
5 and 6 years is too little for a case with multiple charges! Considering the way Maltese law is, life would have not been possible, but 20 years without chance of probabation or parole would have been possible as well as more adequate!
Martin Bugeja
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:23
I never thought I'd live to see the day! May the verdict go some way towards ensuring closure for the victims. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
William Flynn
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:21
These are merely token sentences. They'll be out after 3 years with good behaviour. That is assuming that they will not drag the appeals for another few years and they'll die at home of natural causes in the meantime.
No way are these the only two...just the ones caught and prosecuted...so far...
Mr Joseph Sammut
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:20
"The priests requested a suspension of the sentence pending an appeal." I hope the Court of Appeal will at least double the sentences handed out by the lower court.
francis agius
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:38
Oh, come on, behave
Mr Ray Azzopardi
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:18
tal misthija .....tafda it tfal fidejn dawn in nies minflokk il genituri taghhom .......u jispiccaw jghaddu min martirju shih anki wara li johorgu min hemm gew....... mhux nigudika lil kull qasis jew patri ghax nemenli hawn qassisin twajjba u onesti.
naf xqed nghid ........
Ruby Jenner
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:17
The sentence was too leniant. Sentences for drug crime is much harsher. Hope they have a tough time in prison. They took advantage of already very vunerable children destroyed their childhood and scarred them for life.
I hope now that this court case will encourage other abuse victim's to come forward and help to stamp out this evil
A Dimech
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:15
No preferential treatment whilst in prison please. The children who suffered because of them will be scared for their lives.
Maltese church - take count and clean your act; stop wasting your time on divorce issues, and about time to have a look in the mirror for once!
Jos Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:25
A Dimech, agreed 100%...let us not forget that there as we speak there is an ex high public profile who is serving his jail term in Attard hospital....well ..... this is truely preferential.
An. Caucchi
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:15
JUST 6 years ??
All paedophiles should go to jail for the rest of their LIFE ! regardless if they are priests or workers or whatever !
Ms M Sciberras
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:09
agree with you 100%!!
Joseph Stephen Galea
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:14
Matthew 13
Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
“‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
IF THE WEEDS MAKE IT TO THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR NEWSPAPERS, WHY NOT THE WHEAT ??
A Dimech
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:20
The wheat is also on the front page. Only you are looking in the wrong page. The Wheat is the victims who found the courage to speak out against tyranny from people who where part of the church and most probably protected by the same church.
Similar cases were reported abroad.
There is wheat - plenty of it - just look in the right place Joseph!
Stephen Tonna
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:24
Because there is no wheat
Mr Alan Delia
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:41
Because in this case the weed was posing as wheat while performing evil acts. That's why it has made front page news.
Kenneth Grima
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:57
there is a whole section on this site dedicated to Religion, don't tell me that the church doesn't have enough propaganda? radio stations, tv stations etc.. etc..we know a lot about the church what the church want us to know but what about all the rest that the church tells you ''OSTRU IBNI OSTRU'' that means ''KEEP IT SECRET & TO YOURSELF MY SON KEEP IT SECRET & TO YOURSELF'' disgusting.
Mrs Rita Dimech Portelli
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:13
I say to the victims.. Keep your head up high, some justice has finally been done. You are innocent, they are the criminals, not you. God bless you and keep you safe.
Mr mark johnson
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:11
I sincerely hope they won't be treated differently than any other sex offenders whilst in prison because they are priests.
An. Caucchi
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:23
They are PERSONS and they have to pay EXACTLY like any other sex-offender. I still think 6 years are NOTHING compared to what they did. I would put them in jail and destroy the key.
O. Tretyak
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:11
The World applauds to Lawrence Grech, The Brave Man!
O. Tretyak
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:46
"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."
Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller
Claire Abela
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:09
At long last, justice has been done!! Hope all other pedos will follow suit!!! We hope that the Church Authorities will learn a good lesson and finally will stop playing musical chairs with the parish priests and when the members of a local community point out any wrong doing in the parish priest or clergy, they will stop administering the sacraments and being a priest and not asked to undergo other pastoral work in the Curia Buildings just to keep an eye on them!!! il qasba qatt ma caqcqet al xejn!!!!
Mr Joseph Mizzi
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:07
May I address Fr Charles and Fr Godwin. You must feel overwhelmed by the sense of shame, guilt and failure, and rightly so. You have sinned against God. You have defiled the innocent and scarred them for life. You have caused untold grief to their parents and families. You have brought reproach to the church and the gospel. You wish you can change the past, but alas, you cannot. You justly ended up in prison. But you are not beyond the grace of God. By faith grasp the cross of Jesus Christ for forgiveness and peace with God. God is merciful to all of us who sincerely repent and call on the name of Jesus, no matter how debased and foul we are.
a micallef
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:06
at last it seems justice had been done,hope it will be step one against all pedofilans in malta.
Mandy Gatt
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:05
This is not justice!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 & 6 years are not enough!!!!!!
Vicki Azzopardi
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:16
I totally agree with you Mandy, they should have been given a much longer sentence, considering what they had done to these poor kids ......
joseph alamango
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:00
Nispera li min kien inkarigat u kien jaf b' dawn il kazi , u heba l abbuzi ta dawn it taparsi qassisin , tmissu il kuxjenza u jtkellem ghax daqshom jew iktar hati ghax il hsara kbira li sofrew dawn it tfal ma tistax tissewwa , sahansitra hemm vittmi li illum mejta.
Mr P Bonnici
Aug 2nd 2011, 13:14
Any one who knew of these crimes and did not come forward with evidence is complicit in crime and therefore guilty of a crime.
I think the sentence is severe enough for these priests, they will suffer much more than other prisoners in prison, but I hope the authorities do not permit further retribution on these priests, they will suffer enough.
Andrew Azzopardi
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:58
Wow the heat is really on this summer...no wonder we've registered an increase in the temperature averages!
http://andrewazzopardi.wordpress.com/impulsive-writing/
John Borg Barthet
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:57
Are they serious? Raping little boys it seems is not as bad a crime in the eyes of the law than the vegetable hawker that got caught selling the wrong greens... nice keep it up!
Ms Louise Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:53
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This court sentence is dedicated to all victims of clergy sexual abuse who kept silent because they feared they would not be believed if they told people what happened. It is dedicated to all victims of sexual abuse by priests who were punished for speaking out and were not believed as they were told that priests were incapable of such evil. It is also dedicated to all victims and their parents who were persuaded by their bishops or other church leaders to forgive and forget and therefore to shut up.
Finally it is a tribute to all victims who were for too long regarded as enemies of the good reputation of the Church if they spoke out and told that if they spread rumours they would harm the church and go to hell.
Claire Abela
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:11
Well said, fully agree!!
E Schembri
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:24
What a crap statement!
What about the other victims of sexual abuse by relatives??? These are far more common than the case of these three priests. Or do you really believe that ONLY priests are pedophiles?
The truth behind your comments is to insinuate hatred against the church. You don't really care about the victims. You seem to be enjoying taking a free ride on the suffering of these victims to spite the church.
If you have any proof that other clergy tried to silence these victims by threats, then pass on the names to the police....otherwise SHUT UP!
Ms Louise Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:52
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The victims must be thanked for speaking up and taking action to expose the truth about being sexually abused by priests. They are to be praised for their courage and determination. The only way we have found out what these paedophile priests were doing is through the courage, persistence, pain, sorrow, and scars of the survivors.
These paedophile priests preyed upon the young boys at a time when their sexual identity was still developing. They used their power and position in the church to groom and abuse children. Let’s hope that others, who may have knowledge or suspect or may have been harmed, will find the courage and strength to speak up, call police, expose wrongdoing, and protect children.
Demis Paul Scerri
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:51
Shame towards the Curia for their delaying tactics and of course towards the priests in question!!!! You should start to experience what is hell all about at Corradino.
E Schembri
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:50
Now that this chapter has been closed and justice done, lets hope that we will not get another barrage of anti-church comments and hatred.
...As there other hundreds of other priests who have sacrificed their entire lives in helping children, couples and families without being given any credit and media exposure.
Ray Gatt
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:26
What do you expect to hear towards the church, praise? Why is the church dragging so long? We all know the church hides these incidents. You only have to go back a couple of years when a priest in Gozo tried to bribe the mother of a minor girl to silence her regarding two Gozitan men who abused the minor. Did the church do anything about the corrupt priest? What happened to this case? Is it all under the carpet?
JOSEPH VELLA
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:39
Don't be surprised we keep on hearing and reading anti-clerical articles because since the divorce issue I was surprised with hatred I read from these anti-clerical individuals.
J Dalli
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:50
"The priests requested a suspension of the sentence pending an appeal."
Is this some kind of joke?
They've ruined so many people's lives, some of which even committed suicide, and they think a pathetic 6 years is too much for them? They deserve no less than a - literally - life sentence.
When they come out it's going to be even worse.
Nowadays parents have learned not to trust their children with priests more than strictly necessary, but if these criminals come out of prison as lay men it's going to be much easier for them to abuse other children! When will we ever learn?
Kenneth Cassar
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:07
"but if these criminals come out of prison as lay men it's going to be much easier for them to abuse other children!".
The opposite is the case. It would be easier to abuse children when children are actually under your care.
Frank Borg
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:48
Good, justice is served, lets hope the appeal won't take another 8 years to be concluded so that these 2 evil men will start their jail sentence.....
Denise formosa
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:48
FINALLY! these men should be ashamed of themselves, they destroyed so many lives when they actually are supposed to help people. they deserve life imprisonment.
Mark-anthony Fenech
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:43
At long last!
Joseph Pace
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:42
Only 6 years???
U. D'Amico
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:36
justice at last
Mr Ernest Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:35
Nispera ma nergawx nibdew bl-attakki kontra l-Knisja...jekk zbalja jiehu l-kastig li haqqu imma m'ghandux jehel mieghu min hu innocenti
Denise formosa
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:51
allura ma tahsibx li il knisja ghamlet hazin ghal dawk li hbiet?
I Bugeja
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:59
Il-knisja titfa lil kulhadd f'keffa wahda ghalfejn ma nistghux ahna namlu l-istess biha?
Andrew Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:02
Uzgur li tigi attakata il-knisja habib! Meta jkun hemm ghaqda u xi hadd li jifforma parti minn din l-ghaqda jizbalja, l-ghaqda kollha tigi attakata. Anka il-partiti politici, meta xi membru minn taghhom jizbalja, l-partit kollu jigi attakat. Il-knisja mhi xejn inqas. Tizbalja u qatt ma titghallem. Alla biss jaf kemm hemm aktar kazi li huma mohbija.
Mr Ernest Vella
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:04
Denise, dawn hadu li haqqhom...imma li nattakkaw il-Knisja inkunu qeghdin nattakkaw lil tant qassisin li m'ghandhomx x'jaqsmu ma dan kullu u ghamlu biss gid
Gordon Swain
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:09
M'ghamlitx tajjeb, imma jezistu certu sitwazzjoniet fejn l-ahjar haga hi li toqghod kwiet. Hija hasra li jsiru dawn l-affarijiet moqziza, iktar u iktar min bniedem religjuz.
l-ikbar hasra pero hija li bhala poplu malti ihobb jiggeneralizza, u jekk ftit patrijiet ghamlu hazin, jehlu l-patrijiet u religjuzi kollha, meta nafu li dawn jaghmlu tant gid ma min hu fil-bzonn u hafna drabi ma jkunx apprezat.
Bhal f'kull haga ahbar hazina tinxtered malajr, imma nixtieq nirringrazja lir-religjuzi kollha ghal-gid kollu li jaghmlu.
Naqbel mija fil-mija li min ghamel hazin haqqu kundanna
Philip Hili
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:46
Prosit Ernest.
Issa, li dak li xtaqu l-vittmi haduh u saret gustizzja maghhom, u jidru kuntenti li saret gustizzja, nispera li dan il-kapitlu inghalaq u ma jergax ikun hemm xi hadd li jqabbez dan il-kaz fin-nofs sforz ir-rieha ta' antiklerikalizmu li dan jista' jkollu u allura, jintalbu kemm jintalbu skuzi u jinghataw kemm jinghataw sentenzi qatt ma jkun kuntent dan ix-xi hadd ghax l-ghan tieghu u li jizra' l-antiklerikalizmu fost iz-zaghzagh.
Nisper wkoll li dan is-suggett ma jergax jitqajjem ma ' l-wasla ta' l-Elezzjoni Generali!! bhal ma sar dan l-ahhar waqt il-kampanja tar-referendum dwar id-divorzju!!!
Reuben Chircop St John
Aug 2nd 2011, 11:35
Finally some good news ! , Hope all other pedo fellows will join them.....
Carlos Espinal
Aug 2nd 2011, 12:12
seconded