16-year-old admits drowning dog
A 16-year-old boy this afternoon pleaded guilty to drowning a light-coloured Labrador at the Marsaxlokk Waterpolo Pitch at around 6.30 p.m. yesterday.
Both the boy and the dog were in the water and the dog's owner was in the area. Several witnesses saw the boy drown the dog.
Legal aid lawyer Renzo Porsella Flores told Magistrate Consuelo Scerri Herrera that the boy was scratched by the dog, which was apparently aggressive towards him and he acted in self-defence.
However, Police Inspector Arthur Mercieca said that the incident happened in an area which was quite deep and the dog could not offer resistance.
The boy, he said, had also told him that when he was in certain situations he could not control his anger.
The boy's parents told Insp. Mercieca that their son was currently under the care of psychiatrist Anthony Dimech who had given him pills to manage his anger problems. The boy, however, refused to take the medication because he felt he did not need it.
Magistrate Scerri Herrera nominated probation officer Myriam Sebasta to draw up a pre-sentencing report about the boy's problems by the end of next month.
The boy, who has a clean police record, was granted bail against a personal guarantee of €1,000. He was warned of the severe consequences should he breach any of the bail conditions.
The dog's owner told timesofmalta.com that the incident happened some 300 metres away from the Waterpolo Pitch in an area known as tal-Ponta that is right behind it-Torri ta' San Lucjan.
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Jean Claude Micallef
Aug 1st 2011, 11:46
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110731/local/dog-s-drowning-owners-give-their-version-of-evens.378197
Claire Busuttil
Jul 31st 2011, 12:53
would be better if the parents, leave the justice to make it`s course, if need be, the boy, should be put under observation 24/7, and under care.
After all, they should just be grateful to the poor dog`s owner, for not having done anything to the boy after his dog was killed, I do not know how many more times he would be so lucky.
Mr wayne scicluna
Aug 2nd 2011, 14:52
Damn right! He would have not been so lucky if it had been one of my dogs!
Godwin Mercieca
Jul 31st 2011, 12:25
Ma ndahkux, mela x'hasbu dan xi kelb il-bahar??? Ejja nkunu serji
Joe Brincat-LL.D
Jul 31st 2011, 10:22
I have been instructed by the owners of the dog to make certain facts clear.
1. The dog, as accustomed, was swimming in the area known as Il-Ponta, where there is no sign prohibiting dogs from swimming.
2. The dog was under a leash, which was released only for the dog to swim. The owner was present and asked the five young people sitting on the steps of Il-Ponta, whether they were going to swim. The lads and the girl replied that they were not. All of a sudden, one of the lads, who was eventually charged in court, started teasing his friends, and threw one of them into the sea. Then he himself decided to swim, after having already called the dog by a name, while still on shore.
3. The same individual was calling the dog by the name “Bloody”, when actually it was “Buddy”. The dog playfully followed,incited by being called by a name similar to his. In spite of all calls from the owner for the young man to return to shore, he still swam out
4. Death of the dog occurred when the dog was in deep waters, through suffocation by holding the head under water for a considerable amount of time.
5. When the young man returned to shore, as he had left his yellow top shore, there were no scratch marks on him, which could be attributed to the dog.
6. The dog was retrieved by a gentleman who was in a motorized dinghy, and on account of the condition of the sea, he could only land it near the Waterpolo pitch. This all happened in the presence of the owner, who still had the leash, and Mrs Janice Chetcuti of Animal Welfare.
J.Brincat
Jonathan Sorrell
Jul 31st 2011, 09:27
2 questions :
1. How was a boy with known anger management problems allowed to be in control of (in this instance) a defenceless dog ?
2. Why on earth was he given the chance to refuse his medication ?
Clearly somebody was negligent and should be held responsible for the above - the boy is a minor. However, justice must be carried out and both animals and people need to be protected from this monster.
Mr V Caruana
Jul 30th 2011, 19:22
sid il-kelb se jeħel li ħa kelb jgħum fejn jgħumu n-nies? minħabba li l-baħar kien fond seta' li -l-kelb sab diffikulta u qabad mat-tifel. it-tifel irreaġixxa b'mod aggressiv. Fl-aħħar mill-aħħar każijiet bħal dawn huma tort tal-bniedem. Li kieku l-bniedem ma ddomestikax il-kelb zgur li każijiet bħal dawn ma jseħħux! jista jkun li kieku għandna inqas popolazzjoni ta' klieb. Li toqtol baqra jew toqtol kelb ma tagħmilx differenza għal mother nature. Hija l-kultura tagħna li tagħmel id-differenza. Fl-Asja l-baqra hija sagra u ma joqtluhiex filwaqt li l-kelb tisa tieklu.
Jiddispjani għat-tifel li ta' eta' hekk zgħira għandu problemi psokoloġiċi. In-natura taf tkun kattiva ma ċerti nies u mhux lakemm naqbdu u nikkundannaw u niddemonjuzzaw.
G Debono
Jul 31st 2011, 13:15
RE ".......... li -l-kelb sab diffikulta u qabad mat-tifel......."
U toqghodx tghid hmerijiet........
jennifer camilleri
Jul 30th 2011, 16:55
This boy's family should see that he definitely needs help because this time it was a dog and next time it could be anyone who makes him angry again. Besides getting the medical help he needs, he also needs to be heavily penalized for killing the dog. However I also feel that the owner, although already having suffered enough now, should be held responsible for leaving the dog unattended. He is responsible for his dog and had he been around maybe this would not have happened. How unfortunate for this poor Labrador and what a pity!!
Marcus Vella Bardon
Jul 30th 2011, 13:40
well any animal (human or otherwise ) has self preservation in mind ,so i don't think this poor dog was bending over backwards to help this boy drown him. temperament of the labroador has jack all to do with it.
what was the dog's owner doing ,having a coffee ?
Steven Micallef
Jul 30th 2011, 13:22
In my opinion this boy should be sentenced to jail as much as the guy who killed Star or even more. This boy’s intention was to hurt and even more kill the Labrador. Not taking the doctor’s prescription just for the sake that he does not want to is in my opinion not an excuse!
I cannot agree with Mr.Peppi Azzopardi on his opinion about people who kill rabbits. At least, these guys kill them to eat them! This Labrador was killed for nothing! Now, on the same line of thought, can it be that this 16 year old, (if he comes out scott free from court), will drown myself, my wife or my kid next time round while we’re at the beach?
Victor Pulis
Jul 30th 2011, 12:13
Ms Rose Cilia
Today, 10:44
Naqbel mieghek li m'ghandniex niggudikaw lil dan il-guvni pero li tghid li m'ghandniex nieklu l-annimali hija bla sens! Anke Gesu Kristu kiel il- haruf fl-ahhar cena.Li kieku Alla ma ridniex nieklu l-annimali ma kienx jaghmilhom tajbin ghall-ikel!
Naf li qed nizvija mis suggett imma ma stajtx ma nirrispondix.
Bl -istess argument li kieku alla riedna ntiru kien jaghtina l-gwienah!
Il fatt li l-bniedem kiekol il laham m'ghandu x'jaqsam xejn ma x'rid jew ma ridx alla.
il bniedem bhal kull annimal iehor ghandu l-istint tal preservazzjoni ghalhekk jiekol kollox (omnivoru)
imma mbaghad ma nehduhiex kontra xi annimal li kultnant jiekol bniedem u nghidu li hu kattiv ta.
maudlyn camilleri
Jul 30th 2011, 10:30
Most Labradors are not known for having an aggressive behavior, as they are a very common breed for use as a family dog. Sometimes, however, some Labradors can develop aggressive temperament because of being raised in an abusive household, being abandoned, or because of a breed-based temperamental defect. Many abused Labradors are afraid of other humans or dogs, which causes them to display aggressive behavior towards them.
Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3127543
G Debono
Jul 30th 2011, 12:05
maudlyn camilleri
RE “…………Sometimes………….Labradors can develop aggressive temperament because…………”
Here we go again………. Blaming the victim (human or otherwise), not the perpetrator .
This keeps happening again and again – as when a pedestrian is killed on the road and the immediate reaction of so many people is: is “ it’s the pesestrians fault…. (he/she) should have used the pedestrian crossing etc. Or as the case of a well-known cyclist who was killed in a monstrous way on the coast road which brought out the bicycle-hating brigade who kept on about cyclists have no place on the road, that cyclists drive dangerously, don't use lights at night etc etc
In this case the guilt is clear - First of all a dog can hardly ( cannot ) be aggressive when swimming. And the action was clearly deliberate because the boy must have held the dog under for minutes till the struggling dog died from drowning. Even then the dog wasn’t aggressive and did not retaliate.
Even in the unlikely event that the dog did “ scratch the boy” or was “aggressive towards him” (impossible in the sea) the reaction of holding the struggling dog under water till it died was totally out of proportion.
So, all you who don't like dogs or have a prejudice against them, PLEASE don’t blame the innocent dog. All the evidence points the other way.
Victor Pulis
Jul 30th 2011, 12:08
This labrador was 'accused' of scrathing the boy. Dogs are known to bite not scratch. The boy alleged that the dog scratched him which most probably resulted from the dog's action to keep afloat as dogs can't tread water like humans. The boy had every opportunity to swim away from the dog and the fact that he remained near the dog, grabbed him and held him under till he drowned proves that the aggressor was the boy and not the dog.
Marcus Vella Bardon
Jul 30th 2011, 13:55
i've yet to see or hear of a dog attacking a man in deep water !!!
Anyways to maudlyn and what does your sourced article exactly have anything to do with the above. did you think it over or just figured you'd post some irrelevant information.
Also are you an authority on abused labradors and what they're afraid of ? the dog although dead doesn't look like he was abused by his owner and surely doesn't look mad in death doubt it was in life ! unless u know better!
for a dog or any two or four legged animal to attack something bigger in deep water ,the dog or animal wouldn't have to be agressive but most likely mentally disabled or plain mad .
Mrs Rita Dimech Portelli
Jul 30th 2011, 18:29
My goodness, I cannot believe what Maudlyn camilleri has written here. It sounds so funyy but I forgot to laugh.
Mr Joe Micallef
Jul 30th 2011, 08:33
Several witness saw the boy drown the dog and what did they do they just sat there to enjoy the show and the dog was aggressive towaeds him of course what you expect if someone is trying to drown you and in certain situations he could not control his anger so he could have drown a child but he knows he did't went to bang his head on the wall I think he is bullie and that all.
Maria Sammut
Jul 30th 2011, 09:28
Jidher li Birzebbugia tirrenja hafna l-omerta', ftit ilu kellna l-istorja ta' Star. Kif jista' jkun kelba ta' 10 snin hadd qatt ma ra ma sidha? Imma hadd, hadd ma fetah halqu. Din l-istorja l-istess, kulhadd ihares u hadd ma jiprova jaghmel xi haga.
mark borg
Jul 30th 2011, 07:08
Annimal cruelty is rife in Malta,However it seems that even foreigners love to inflict pain on animals, whenever I am in Valletta I cannot tolerate the poor horses loaded with tourists after hours of waiting in the sun without water and food for countles hours and having to work till late evenings (also what are the animal welfare department doing about this ?? have they ever approached the owners of these horses to see their conditions ?? Tourists reading these blogs when in Malta please refrain from getting on these poor creatures,that lately are even dying on our streets from exhaustion.
austen lennon
Jul 31st 2011, 14:14
Mark - I am a 'foreigner' I detest the horses being in the sunshine and dying and would gladly see them wiped from the streets of Malta.... but don't blame 'foreigners'. When they step off their ship and get off the plane and see these horses they would automatically assume that they are being cared for and that any government "worth it's salt" would not let the horses be cruelly treated.
But it appears that the Malta government does not care and is complacent in the care and well being of these innocent animals and I have to say that the Maltese Government is very lax when it comes to caring for abused or ill-treated animals across this whole island.
This tiny island should not have packs of starving dogs roaming the streets and neither should there be masses of cats in all kinds of horrible and dying states living in waste land..... and a DECENT government would provide the facilities and services to ensure that these 'potentially' loving and 'healthy' animals do not die in horror..... BUT the MALTESE Minister's mouth's move and the right words come out but only the merest of action is taken.
I love the people of Malta but I despair at the antics of an uncaring government.
Peppi Azzopardi
Jul 30th 2011, 01:58
Kieku flok kelb kien fenek konna nghidu u niktbu li ktibna? Ghala dawk kollha li joqtlu bi hruxija lil fniek u imbghad jiekluhom ma jispiccawx quddiem il-magistrat wkoll? Hafna paroli ta kemm inhobbu l annimali. Min ihobb l-animali ma jiekolhomx. U ma nifhimx kif min jiekol p-annimali jista jiggudika lil dan il-guvni bi bzonnijiet psikjatrici.
Maria Sammut
Jul 30th 2011, 09:24
Naqbel mieghek ghalkemm guvni bhal dan ghandu bzonn verament ta' ghajnuna u ma nistghax nifhem kif il-qorti ma haditx azzjoni kontra l-genituri. Dan suppost qed jiehu medicina u mhux johodha! Ta' 16 il-sena ghadu taht ir-responsabilta' taghhom.
Jien vegetarjana u ili 20 sena hekk minhabba l-annimali. Apparti l-povri fniek, xi tghidli ghal din il-moda li hawn tal-majjalata? Ma nafx kif ma jinghalqielhomx l-istonku jaraw povru annimali jdur mixwi quddiemhom u huma jiffungaw fil-laham tieghu. Min ihobb l-annimali ghandu jhobb lil-annimali kollha.
Ms Rose Cilia
Jul 30th 2011, 10:44
Naqbel mieghek li m'ghandniex niggudikaw lil dan il-guvni pero li tghid li m'ghandniex nieklu l-annimali hija bla sens! Anke Gesu Kristu kiel il- haruf fl-ahhar cena.Li kieku Alla ma ridniex nieklu l-annimali ma kienx jaghmilhom tajbin ghall-ikel!
Mr l Azzopardi
Jul 30th 2011, 10:57
Argument dghajjef hafna.
Qabel xejn ghazliet personali marbuta ma li tkun vegetarjan jew le huma proprja hekk personali u minkejja qatt f'hajti ma kilt fenek xorta ma nhossx li ghandi nimponi l-opinjoni u l-ghazliet alimentari personali tieghi.
It-tieni jekk taf b'xi hadd li biex joqtol il-fniek qed juza "hruxija" ghandek kull dritt tirraporta u taghmel sew. Il-ligijiet tal-Unjoni Ewropea li malta wettqet traspozizzjoni taghhom ma jippermettux "hruxija" fuq annimali li ghandhom jinqatlu ghall-ikel. Jigux implimentati ma nafx u ghalhekk qed nghidlek li jekk taf b'xi "hruxija" irraporta.
Issa bir-rispett kollu, u hawnhekk fejn ninsabu mili l-boghod minn xulxin, jekk ghalik li tiekol fenek/majjal/canga ecc huwa ugwali ghal li tgherreq kelb inutli nithaddtu. Ir-reazzjoni tan-nies f'dan il-blog hija kontra l-vjolenza. Kif qed torbot kaz ta' vjolenza fuq annimal mal-konsum alimentari ta' annimali ma nistax nifhem.
Biex terbah dan l-argument fuq livell ta "ipokrizija li min jiekol l-annimali qed jattakka lil dan it-tfajjel" qabelxejn trid tikkonvincini kontra ricerki xjentifici validi li jinsistu li l-proteini li tiekol mil-laham jigu assimilati hafna aktar u ahjar mill-gisem u anki trid tikkonvincini li l-bniedem mhuwiex parti mill-katina alimentari tan-natura.
Mark-anthony Fenech
Jul 30th 2011, 11:00
Għax meta tiekol qed tieħu xi ħaġa... L-annimali jistgħu jieklu annimali oħra u l-bnedmin le, ma jistgħux jieklu annimali oħra skont int?
Bernardette Borg
Jul 30th 2011, 11:08
Hadd ma jista jiggudika lil hadd, imma xorta jibqa il fatt illi it tifel ghandu x'ghandu u ghaddej min xiex ghaddej mhuwiex iggustikat ghal li ghamel. Nithassar emmini lil kelb biss u mhux lit tifel, iktar u iktar meta taqra li ma jiehux il pilloli li ordnalu il psikjatra ghax qal li ma ghandux bzonnhom (wisq probbabli ma jaccetax il fatt li ghandu problema). Li kieku ma kienx il kelb Pepp, imma bniedem qed jghum hdejh, xorta tibqa tghid ma tistax tiggudikah ghax ghandu problema?
Joe Fenech
Jul 30th 2011, 11:28
The nation's favourite philosopher is back !
T. Aquilina
Jul 30th 2011, 11:36
Biex inkompli mal-argument ta' Peppi Azzopardi, il-hruxija (specjalment hruxija zejda) hija haga kerha u hazin tintuza sew ma kelb, fenek, ghasfur jew gurdien. Ghandna dover li naraw li titnaqqas il-hruxija fuq hafna krejaturi ikunu x'ikunu ghax kollha jsofru, u ma taghmillix differenza lili jekk hux kelb sofra jew fenek. Il-forma taghhom hi differenti imma it-tnejn ibaghtu xorta.
Joe Genovese
Jul 30th 2011, 12:51
Darb' ohra li jkollkom xi bicca steak jew fillet tat-tonn fuq il-platt quddiemkom, aghlqu ghajnejkom u ara tarawx il-barri jew il-huta ftit sekondi qabel ma hargitilhom ruhhom.
Iva, ghandhom ruh. Min ma jemminx hi prova li hu Kattoliku imma mhux Nisrani.
Mrs Pauline Abela
Jul 30th 2011, 13:08
@ Rose Cilia. Naqbel mieghek....sa certu punt. Pero, min jaf il-kannibali jekk jahsbux li 'Li kieku Alla ma ridniex nieklu l-annimali ma kienx jaghmilhom tajbin ghall-ikel!'
Ma riedux ninsew li l-bniedem huwa annimal ukoll! Yummmy! :-)))
Mr leo attard
Jul 30th 2011, 14:40
mr azzopardi. I a a vegetarian and i dont like the idea of killing any animal for fun, not even a fly. however, this world consists of meat-eaters and legally they can eat meat... Correct me if I am wrong, but there are laws that dictate how an animal should be killed -- it should be as quick and painless AS POSSIBLE! ... now, there is a difference between this ''essential'' killing of animals to eat and sadistic killing which seems to be the case of this teenager... this boy is an obvious danger and just because he has a clean record so far does not guarantee the future! no one who knew adolf hitler in 1929 suspected he would become that mass-murderer he turned out to be.... But, maybe he had a psychological and/ or hormonal disorder -- what would you say: Miskin, Hitler! Kulhadd imqabbad mieghu! ..... I would like to know how this teenager behaved in school. I am sorry for the boy's condition, but I also have to worry about who forms part of the community I live in! too much bleeding-heart lioberalism leads to undisciplined society ... thee schools in england are realising this and are curtailing students' rights and are introducing harsher discipline in order to bring order to the chaos in the classroom.....
Mr Mario Muscat
Jul 29th 2011, 23:23
Whilst condemning this behaviour towards the dog I would like to ask something about the dog's owner. As far as I know there is a hefty fine for allowing the dog swimming in swimmers' zone. Was he/she fined? This incident should have been avoided if the law re dogs in swimmers' zone was observed!
S Atkins
Jul 29th 2011, 23:00
Refusing to take his medication is NO excuse. Someone should make sure he does, or else this boy should be removed from society as he is a threat. His parents should be held accountable for this atrocious act.
Ms maria bonnici
Jul 29th 2011, 21:49
oh my god, what a society we are living in! immediate action should be taken!!!! god please protect us from these misfortunes! today a dog, poor poor creature!!! and tomorrow? WHAT SHALL IT BRING?
Claire Busuttil
Jul 29th 2011, 20:54
The parents should be arrested!!!! how can they leave a boy, with serious problems, running around in society...without any medicine......just because he did not want to take them.....
They are responsible for this act.
Mr D Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 21:33
Exactly, given that he is still a sick "boy".
M Buhagiar
Jul 29th 2011, 21:41
kieku kien it tifel tieghek kont taqflu d dar? tafu bil frazi: Alla biss ikun jaf minn xiex ikun ghaddej l bniedem.....
u tigu inthom u toqodu tghidu ghax messhom ghamlu hekk u hekk...............
Mrs Janet Bayes
Jul 29th 2011, 21:53
What an attitude - - so very thoughtful and Christian.
The child was prescribed medication, therefore he must take it? No-one prescribed medication is forced to take it - - we each have choices in these matters.
It is so obvious that Ms. Busuttil has no children or any dealings with the younger generation. Would she advocate the need for force feeding medication to any person - - child or adult?
Mrs Pauline Abela
Jul 30th 2011, 08:19
How do you propose they could have achieved that?
Elaine Compagno
Jul 30th 2011, 13:12
Mrs Bayes, a child, until age 18, is the responsibility of the parent. The parent is responsible by LAW to look after the child's health, and in some more severe cases, where children are not looked after, the authorities issue care orders and put the child into alternative care.
If a child requires medication or treatment and for some reason he/she refuses it - and it is not administered, someone is going to be responsible. Responsible for the effects this lack of treatment is going to have on the child directly and on third parties. So yes, if it can be proven that for the sake of the child's health, he needed to have medicine, and this was not given.. then the ones responsible for giving it to him are also responsible for the effects of their inaction.
Mr leo attard
Jul 30th 2011, 14:46
@m Buhagiar.... u kieku minflokk kelb attakka nghidu ahna, per ezempju, tifla tieghek (ma nafikx u ma nafx jekk ghndekx tfal... ezzempju)... Kieku x'kont tghid imbaghad? ... kelb prikluz thallih jigri man-nies? Daqs hekk iehor thalli bniedem perikluz fit triq!!!!..... ghandu bzonn jigi evaljuat dan it tifel!
Claire Busuttil
Jul 30th 2011, 19:11
@buhagair-
li taqflu huma hazin , imma anke li thallih jaghmel li irid u johloq problemi lil haddiehor...ghalhekk hemm il medicini
@baytes-you do not know me so do not assume anything on my life........
there is certain medicine that is not taken optionally, especially if the lack of it can cause any harm to the individual, or anyone else(human or not) he is only 16, and the parents are responsible of him.
@ forcing their precious child to get the medicine, so that he can live better.
Mr leo attard
Jul 29th 2011, 20:45
The phpto is heart-rendering. The child is under psychiatric care and I guess that, together with his age should make us excuse him. Perhaps he isnt to blame -- he requires medication, refuses to take it and the parents dont take any action??? I will not be arrogant enough to tell 'experts' how to handle the situation, but one must keep in mind that this teenager is a potential time-bomb! Today a dog, tomorrow? ... a little digression --- Imagine what his class and teachers must have gone through! and it must be investigated --- did he get the scratches in 'self-defence' or did he get them while the dog was defendding himself.... nip it while still in the bud!!!
Rita Debono
Jul 30th 2011, 17:35
One can pinpoint a "threat to society" in a primary school classroom, believe me! I used to be a teacher and I know what I'm talking about. Another thing, when a doctor prescribes a medicine he does NOT assume the responsibility of your taking it BUT if the medicine is given to control anger and aggressive behaviour then the psychologist or parents responsible for the patient should make sure that the medicine is taken on a regular basis. And, yes, it is POOR DOG, not POOR BOY!! Next time it will be a human being we'll be talking about, not an animal.
G. Bianco
Jul 29th 2011, 20:42
If it was a child instead of a dog, he would have drowned it as well????
Kurt Mifsud
Jul 30th 2011, 00:19
Exactly what I was thinking!
John Spiteri
Jul 29th 2011, 20:18
Animal cruelty seems to be widespread, and not just in Malta.
It's sad that certain people can be so cruel to defenseless animals.
Suggest you all check out Skynews - Exclusive: Video Shows Pig Abuse At Abattoir.
Mr mark johnson
Jul 29th 2011, 21:13
Not only do they abuse them but when they are dead they eat them as well.
Ms angela johnson
Jul 29th 2011, 20:12
after all the comments of this terrible act of cruelty it is about time we start asking why did not one of the witnesses do something to stop this from happening i looks like they all watched but none of them jumped in the pool to get the boy away from the dog and with that act to maybe save the dog. What kind of signal gives that to our society? are we all becoming so selfish that we dont help another person or animal in need, good example of christian way of living ejj.
G Debono
Jul 29th 2011, 21:00
1) It wasn't in a pool but a long way off.
2) The boy presumably held the dog under water till it died. Above water it would seem normal - even if there were people around.
3) Even the owners of the dog probably didn't notice anything amiss till they couldn't find their dog.
Gail Farrugia
Jul 29th 2011, 19:45
Sincerament ma nistax nifhem il-bniedem. Nisthi nghid li jien bniedma meta nisma' b'dawn l-ahbarijiet. Il-kelb ma kienx f'post publiku ghal min qieghed jghid hekk. L-ikbar tort hu tal-genituri ta' dan it-tifel. Bl-ikbar rispett lejn nies hekk imma sa fejn naf jien nies bhal dawn ghandu jkollhom lil min jiehu hsiebhom u jitfa' ghajnhom fuqhom kif suppost u mhux ihallu incidenti bhal dawn isehhu. Ghal darb'ohra , ma nitghallmu qatt u ma nistghu nifmhu qatt kemm hawn min ma jahsibhomx. : (
Marija Scerri
Jul 29th 2011, 19:54
well said! and you'r right he wasn't swimming at a public beach
Claire Busuttil
Jul 29th 2011, 20:59
naqbel mieghek.....ir razza umana tad dardir!!
MALCOLM SEYCHELL
Jul 30th 2011, 01:43
il problema mhux il bniedem, imma l-gustizzja prezenti. mintiex tara dan ghadu jigri barra flok batuh xi 5 snin habs ta vera mhux bil playstation, tv, menu tal ikel, gym etc..... Il kriminal illum ma ghadux jibza ghax jaf li jaghmel x jaghmel se jibqa jigri barra. nies hziena dejjem se ssieb. id-differenza li qabel kienu immutu go cella, illum jibqaw jigru barra u jziedu il kriminalita....
Mr martin chetcuti
Jul 29th 2011, 19:25
He could eased his anger by punching a wall or perhaps banging his head to a wall..SICKENING. Poor Dog .......
Maria Psaila
Jul 29th 2011, 21:04
Exactly what i was thinking!
Rosalind Agius
Jul 29th 2011, 19:07
This is so shameful. Shame on this young man , how dare he shows his strength with a dog. Poor animal. What a cruel act.
Martin Cassar
Jul 29th 2011, 18:44
Like most people have said, this anger is very commen in schools. However i would like to comment at the parents who i see daily in the streets, smacking their children, swearing, getting angry and shoving them around. I have lived in Many countires and have never seen so much anger towards children then when living in Malta. This is not the way to educate and teach children... a child who automatically drowns a dog after scratching it without thinking twice, must have extreme anger problem! why were the parents not forcing the boy to take his pills? But then again only yesterday i was waiting to buy a drink from a shop when i saw a full grown man in his 50's kick his small dog because he wouldnt jump into the car... what an example we show our children!! Malta needs to start looking at its not so picture perfect streets!!
Mr leo attard
Jul 29th 2011, 20:56
Mr Cassar, I suppose then that no other country in the world has these child abuse phone-lines because child abuse doesnt exist! I've lived abroad as well... never heard of a parent throwing her child out a window? Putting her child in a pot of boiling water? ... Please, dont make it sound like we Maltese have some monopoly over child abuse! and please, dont say that I'm referring to some exceptional psychos!... Oh, one more thing. there was this child-raising expert, practically a legend, Dr Spock, who also believed that a child can only be raised into a well-formed person (psychologically speaking) without harsh discipline...Guess what? This expert's son committed suicide... So much for his expertise
Victor Pulis
Jul 29th 2011, 18:37
I notice that most arguments often go off at a tangent. The fact that the dog was swimming in the pitch is beside the point. That was no reason to drown it. A dog is liable to scratch anybody in the vicinity due to his movements to stay afloat. A dogs claws are not retractable like a cats but they are also not as sharp. If the boy had wanted to he could have easily distanced himself from the dog. This was not a case of aggression on the part of the dog or self defence on the part of the boy as the lawyer is trying to make it out to be. If it's true that this boy cannot control his anger and is under psychiatric care then he's a danger to others, through no fault of his own maybe but a danger nonetheless.
JJ Debono
Jul 29th 2011, 18:34
I have lived in the UK and i can asure you that they are not all angels and animal lovers of there, so morons don't only live in Malta also in europe and needless to say all over the world, young or long they shnould be thought a good lesson and at his age, a good school education is essential at all levels.
Martin Cassar
Jul 29th 2011, 18:46
very quick on you to jump on the old i have lived in the UK band wagon. i have also lived in the UK for many years and at different times, and have never seen animals treated like they get treated in Malta! so before you attack all the other countries address your own countries issues first!
Mr Slim Bartolo
Jul 29th 2011, 19:06
In that case Mr.Cassar i would suggest to read or listen to skynews or thwe BBC oir ITV more often, cause by the sound of you haven't beeen about much, as i have from Newcastle as far down to Lands end sunshine., although i am not disputing the fact that there are some right bastards in Malta and Gozo* treating animals like dirt.
Mr. Debone is right and i second his feedback regarding the so called animal lovers in the UK, what about not so long ago the ponies with a noose around its neck is one example, what about the old style fox hunting which is now over, cock fighting, pit bull terriers, etc etc./, say what? try and go out more often me ol'cocker.
A Camilleri
Jul 29th 2011, 19:45
@martin cassar,
you are very wrong in saying that these things or even worst dont happen in the uk unless you are living in cookoo land and dont even read the news or watch it on tv.
A Camilleri
Jul 29th 2011, 20:36
@martin cassar,
read todays sun on line and just see how wrong you are, animal rights group filmed what goes on at a slaughter house before animals are put to death, being burned in the face and beatin up while they are helpless, unfortunitly the law can not take action as the filming was done illegaly.
Claire Busuttil
Jul 29th 2011, 20:57
so what is your argument????
shame on all humans that do these things......being maltese british etc etc etc...
A Camilleri
Jul 30th 2011, 00:09
@claire busitill,
i have no argument, i have a cat that i rescude and she is our baby, but i am trying to point out that these things dont happen just in malta, cruel people are over the world and thats a fact you cant run away from.
now a question for you ms claire, whats is your argument??
Claire Busuttil
Jul 30th 2011, 19:23
@camilleri......my post was for mr.Debono not for you!!!
Mr Patrick Vella
Jul 29th 2011, 18:27
To all those who jumped the gun and did not read ALL the report - The dog's owner told timesofmalta.com that the incident happened some 300 metres away from the Waterpolo Pitch in an area known as tal-Ponta that is right behind it-Torri ta' San Lucjan.
Therefore
- the dog was not swimming in the waterpolo pitch
-this area is not a swimming zone.
Mr M Briffa Viva malta
Jul 29th 2011, 23:48
RE:Mr.Cassasr/Claire Busuttil @ the argument here is that the british has alot to answer for when it comes to animal cruelty, i too read and watch the British news, and the worst part is that my contract took me to England for a 2 year period and whatever Mr.Cassasr* says that these things do not happen in England,: he is completly wrong as they do happen, how many times the English/ Brits what ever, they are all the same to me, come xmas time most adopt a puppy from a local dogs home, then VIOLA! a few days later these little creatures are roaming the streets of London, so come on mate, its not only in Peaceful friendly Malta or Gozo cruelty does actually happen in your beloved England my friend and you better believe it as its a bloody fact mate. Good day, oh try and get out more and learn something about your beloved England.
J. D. Farrugia
Jul 29th 2011, 18:23
If the dog was in the wrong place, it is not his fault.
Unfortunately this is the same macho bullying situation we see in schools..............
Adrian Sacco
Jul 29th 2011, 18:20
I can guarantee to anyone who tried to drown one of my dogs (all rescued from the street after being thrown out) - it'll be the last thing you do on this earth!
Ms Rebecca Bartolo
Jul 29th 2011, 20:29
@ A.Sacco & M.Giuliano, I agree with both of you. If this ''boy'' if its what you could call him, done that to my 1 year old Labrador, he would not have it easy ha nghidlek.
If he is not able to interact with the on-going world around him then he should not be out unsupervised. What if one of my children jumped in the water and splashed him.....would he try to drown them too. X'affarijiet dawn , fix waslana. Mur ara kif ser ikun ta' hamsa u ghoxrin sena dan ! Salvaaaaaagggismu !
Claire Busuttil
Jul 29th 2011, 21:00
agree with you....!!!!
JOE DEBONO
Jul 29th 2011, 17:57
@ Adrian & Franco!!
Kif qatt tista thallat kelp ma hajja humana??
huwa veru li hazin ghax na naqbel qatt li tahqar lil ebda annimal imma tigiex blargument li se tajduli minn jaf kiku kien it tifel tieghi li ghereq??? Jekk ghandkom it tfal u tisthajluwom annimali dik problema taghkom hbieb mhux tieghi!!
Ta f xnaf li meta jinhaqar kelp naghmlu fuzz imma joqtlu human qisu xej mhu xej!!!!
U bir rispett kollu dak il kelp xkien qed jaghmel hemm???? Hemm mhux post il klieb!
Adrian Schembri
Jul 29th 2011, 18:02
Ghidtlek hekk ghax irrelevanti x'gie mgharraq imma kif gie mgharraq. Dan qabbizilu il-kelb jaqdef u gherqu. Setgha qabbizhielu ballun mwaddab minn xi tfal, imbaghad tkellem.
Jean Claude Micallef
Jul 29th 2011, 18:04
Joe,
Aqra sew li ktibt jien u tibqax tiggustifika att barbaru bhal dan. Mhux denju min jitkellem bhalek.
Ara l-fatti u rabbi qalb.
Nistenna ahjar.
Marianne Tabone
Jul 29th 2011, 18:37
Din minn fejn gibtha li jekk jinqatel bniedem (mhux human jwe agharu aghar humana!!! dik human bl-ingliz u mhux bil-Malti) qisu xejn mhu xejn? Jien ma nafx int xi thoss meta jinqatel bniedem imma jien inhoss hafna ghall-vittma. U nahseb li l-maggoranza tan-nies bhali jixxukkjaw ruhhom!
Claire Busuttil
Jul 29th 2011, 21:03
min qallek li hajtek hija ahjar min dik ta annimal????
kul hajja hija importanti, u int u min jahsiba bhalek ma int hadd ahjar min kelb.....
ma nafx min fejn jiguh certi ideat bhal tas sur debono lil bniedem.....
Franco Farrugia
Jul 29th 2011, 22:55
U ghaliex ma ghandekx thallat hajja ta' kelb ma' dik ta' bniedem?
Tahseb li l-kelb bata inqas minn bniedem biex faga' fl-ilma?
Iva, ghalija, bniedem u kelb huma l-istess, u l-hajja taghhom hija prezzjuza bl-istess mod!
Mr Mike Farrugia
Jul 29th 2011, 17:42
This situation is unfortunately very frequent in schools too. Such individuals end up beating younger children for no valid reason. Parents should be liable if their children refuse treatment.
Mr Ian Xuereb
Jul 29th 2011, 17:35
Seta kien tifel iehor u amillu xi haga accidentli u mela kien jerrqu ukoll hux hekk??????? Li kieku kien il-kelb tijej kont namillu l-istess!!!!!
Stefan Enge
Jul 29th 2011, 17:18
Nobody asks why the dog was in the water at the water polo pitch scaring kids?
Tony Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 17:33
Are you scared of a dog in the water or a shark??? Grow up mate!!!!!!!!!!1
Jean Claude Micallef
Jul 29th 2011, 18:05
Stefan,
See the actual facts as I listed above.
THE PUPPY WAS NOT AT THE WATERPOLO PITCH but it was brought up death there!
Claudine Scicluna
Jul 29th 2011, 18:15
who said he was scaring kids ???? don't you know that dogs are scared of humans ?????? sissa smajna b nies li qatlu klieb u mhux bil kontra !
Mr Joe Gatt
Jul 29th 2011, 17:12
16 Years old is not exactly a Boy, is He?
A young Adult perhaps, but certainly not a Boy.
Amy Schembri
Jul 29th 2011, 17:02
No Wonder cruelty in Malta is at a High rate cause nobody really cares .....with a joke of €1,000 fine!! What kind of justice is this ?
And please do not try to questions why a dog was swimming Water polo Pitch cause it doesn’t justify what the boy did ! The question is where were his parents when the incident occurred?! They are surely not responsible if they are accepting that their child doesn’t take his meds !!!! & this is what you get when you are not responsible your child ended it up killing a loved dog !!
From my point of view i think this is disgusting !!
Stefan Enge
Jul 29th 2011, 17:24
It is disgusting that they let the dog swim in the pitch scaring kids. Where were the dogs owner to keep the dog away from the scared boy? Pretty unresponsible of the owner!
Mr jon farrugia
Jul 29th 2011, 17:41
If you read the article properly there is no mention of a fine let alone €1,000. Do you mean a bail guarantee??
Claire Busuttil
Jul 29th 2011, 21:05
@EDGE....
are you seriuos??!?!?!?
Mr Michel Camilleri
Jul 29th 2011, 16:35
As pointed out in earlier comments, the dog should not have been allowed to swim in the pool, especially unattended. Caring means responsibility. It may have been a momentary inattention, but dogs are like little children - mobile, excitable but with little foreknowledge and responsibility. I sympathize with the owner as I am sure he/she did not intend things to go this way and must be in an awful state.
The boy/young man is of an age where the parents would have little control over his actions, especially if he is prone to severe aggression. It is probable that they are not equipped with the necessary knowledge or skills to handle his condition. So one should not look at the parents for an effective resolution.
There is need for firm, timely and proper intervention. However jail, financial deterrents or other propositions made in earlier comments are poor help to the young man. I do hope he receives the sustained professional treatment and care needed for his illness.
Our society today can shape his future attitude towards it.
JOE DEBONO
Jul 29th 2011, 17:59
Well said Mr Camilleri!
Mr Joe Gatt
Jul 30th 2011, 11:41
`Our society today can shape his future attitude towards it. `
Some Individuals are born with a lack of empathy.
Why do we need to blame society for individual acts of crime, violence ect, it is an easy way out for criminals or would be criminals.
Just seen a documentary, where a young delinquent is given a tour of the local jail, and gets a good rapping by the Wardens there, and he was kept locked up for a day, a taster you might say, as a deterent.
If anything the parents should be councelled, how to handle their son, it is their prime reposability, and being under age, they are liable, for his actions
Do you think, you are responsible for all evil act on Earth?
I should hope not.
Steph Calleja
Jul 29th 2011, 16:21
First of all the people who saw this boy drowning the dog, why didn't they do anything to stop him????? Secondly, if the boy needs medication he HAS to take it no arguments mhux billi jiddeciedi hu ax habba fhekk kellu jsoffri il konsegwenzi annimal innocenti li ma jahti xejn!!!!
claudia copperstone
Jul 29th 2011, 16:17
I fail to understand whats currently going on. There was Star, then the Kelb tal Fenek story in Gozo, now this, plus all the other stories we dont hear about. Are we becoming a frustrated population, letting out our anger on animals? I find it impossible to understand how you could hurt a dog. All this is pure cold bloodedness. My fear is that if you could kill an innocent creature without thinking twice, god knows what this person would be capable of in a few yrs. I am not refering to the child in particular but to people who let out their frustration on the innocent whoever they may be. I agree that penalties need to become much harsher maybe people learn to control their temper.
a borg
Jul 29th 2011, 16:08
whereas cruelty to animals is to be categorically condemned, if this trend to give animals right continues then one day cats, dogs, horses, cows, pigs, fishes, and the rest, will get citizenship and perhaps even a vote
Adrian Schembri
Jul 29th 2011, 18:03
seems like you're scared of competition ...
Adrian Schembri
Jul 29th 2011, 18:06
Yes, maybe the average IQ of the electorate will get a much needed boost at last. :P
Claudine Scicluna
Jul 29th 2011, 18:18
and could you tell me who gave the rights to humans to kill the so called above animals ???? humans are worse than animals ! at least animals kill to survive or for self defense humans kill for the pleasure they feel on doing it !
Mr Chris Debono
Jul 29th 2011, 16:02
I thought dogs were recently banned from public beaches...
Isabella Peresso Fiorentino
Jul 29th 2011, 19:22
That's not the point is it??
Mr D Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 21:19
Not all beaches, only those with areas reserved for swimmers.....marked with floating ropes.
Mark Bugeja
Jul 29th 2011, 15:53
Seems like animal cruelty is escalating in Malta - why ?
Mr mario scerri
Jul 29th 2011, 15:51
missu jisthi w hemm bzonn jihraxu l-pieni kontra min jahqar l-annimali
Mr John Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 15:42
"Dog's owner was in the area"
Why wasn't the owner accompanying the dog? Why was the dog left to swim amongst people?
I am not justifying the act, but questioning some parts of the story. I for one wouldn't enjoy someone else's dog swimming up to my face!
Ms Maria Vella
Jul 29th 2011, 17:04
i'd rather have someone else's dog swimming to my face than some people......
Stefan Enge
Jul 29th 2011, 17:20
Yep, thats the problem. Sometimes it looks its better to be a dog than a kid!
Tony Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 17:38
I had a labrador which was thought Life saving skills in the water too, and did this job many times without fanfare. Why should anyone be afraid of a dog in the water ??? I bet that if the young man was afraid of another guy he would have acted in the same manner with probably the same results too. Then we will see what his parents had to say to the court. Yahassra ghax Bezgha!!! Miskin......
Gordon Swain
Jul 29th 2011, 18:21
Re. Tony Borg
Napprezza jekk ma tippruvax tirredikola il-haga, hawn min jibza min kelb zghir anke jekk ikun fuq l-art. ahseb u ara min kelb imdaqqas fil-bahar.
Min naha l-ohra bl-ebda mod ma nista niggustifika il-fatt li ma titihiedx medicina u jbatu tal-madwar inkluz l-annimali.
Flok nghajjru wiehed lil iehor ejjew nippruvaw niehdu tghallima min dan l-incident biex kemm jista jkun nevitaw li jerga jsehh iehor simili.
Huwa tajjeb li niehdu certa responsabilta kemm tal-pets taghna kif ukoll ta uliedna
Isabella Peresso Fiorentino
Jul 29th 2011, 19:24
Does it occur to you that certain rocky beaches are accessible to dogs? Get your facts right first will you??
Stefan Micallef
Jul 29th 2011, 15:39
Kieku qatel persuna taf lanqa comment ma hawn....
Isabella Peresso Fiorentino
Jul 29th 2011, 19:23
W Cassar - x ghandu x jaqsam??
A Zammit
Jul 29th 2011, 15:32
Congrats to all those who want the boy to be crucified, put to rot in jail, whipped in public and other middle ages punishments. You shine in humanity. Next time you are sick and commit a crime you will face the same humanity.
What about the several witnesses who were present. Did they offer assistance to the boy and the dog?
Jon Vercellono
Jul 29th 2011, 16:36
don't commit any heinous acts and live a Christian life; then you won't have to worry about it.
J Debono
Jul 29th 2011, 15:31
So, if there were people who saw him drowning the dog, why didn't they intervene?! I don't think you can drown a dog in a minute, especially the size of a labrador.
Charmaine Marmara'
Jul 29th 2011, 16:40
THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!!!!!!!!! enough said u said it all J debono prosit !!!
Christina Pace
Jul 29th 2011, 15:25
Oh dear! The boy didn't take the medication because he didn't feel he deeded to. The parents hsould be held accountable for this kids behavious as gare giver they should have cared to make him take the pills. Had that been a child? then what?
And you anti-gay-marriage straight people say you are better parents. I am a lesbian and would have had enough sense to know that, to protect my kid from possible consequences, those meds were a necessity. So so sad. If this kid suffers legal consequences it is on the parents' conscience.
hugh jars
Jul 29th 2011, 16:36
what has gay crap got to do with killing a dog.
Mr Richard Galea
Jul 29th 2011, 16:37
Tajba din....Vera qeddien sewwa!!!.....Kollox fuq ir-rubini!!!............
Ms Maria Vella
Jul 29th 2011, 16:48
Ms. Pace
I am in total agreement with your first paragraph but I think your second paragraph was not really necessary. Why bring the gay thing into the picture? And no, I am not anti gay or anti gay adoption
Tony Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 17:42
100 Per cent right !!!
angelo cilia
Jul 29th 2011, 18:42
Don't you people get enough limelight for the homosexual agenda as it is !
This is about the wanton killing of a dog so stop turning everything into a gay cause, sheeesh !
JOE DEBONO
Jul 29th 2011, 15:21
Minn jaf kiku kien it tifel taghkom kontux titkelmu hekk!
Kif tista tigudika tifel li ghandu problemi bhal dawn?
L importanti li dan it tifel ghandu jinata lattenzjoni xierqa!
Li qed nassumi li jbati min ADD jew xi haga simili!
Kiku flokk nilabuwa tal bravi naddu kumenti iktar positivi nahseb nibdnu socjeta ahjar:)
Adrian Schembri
Jul 29th 2011, 15:42
Min jaf li kieku flok il-kelb kien it-tifel tieghek? Tparla l-istess imbaghad? Negligenza din u xejn iktar, jekk hemm medikazzjoni mehtiega trid tittiehed bla argumenti.
J Debono
Jul 29th 2011, 16:07
Naqbel mighek fuq certu kumment insensittivi ghall-ahhar. Pero, kollox hu importanti, ghax kullhadd ihoss il-weggha tieghu. Il-problema tat-tifel ghandha tigi ndirizzata serjament, ghalih stess u ghall-dawk ta'madwaru.
Lili haga laqtitni, li ma sarx xi intervent. Li naf hu li f'certu cirkostanzi, ahjar niehdu azzjoni minflok noqoghdu nikkummentaw, ghax forsi certu incidenti koroh ma jsehhux.
Franco Farrugia
Jul 29th 2011, 16:24
Adrian Schembri: I agree 100% with you!
@ Joe Debono: Min jaf kieku kien ibnek jew bintek li ghereq/gherqet? X'kont tghid, kieku? Imma qatel kelb, allura ghalik ma jimpurtax!
Gordon Swain
Jul 29th 2011, 18:41
@Joe Debono
Naqbel mieghek 100%
Ghalfejn dan il-parolli fil-vojt, li kieku , li kieku, li kieku
li kieku rbaht is-super 5 qieghed fuq Cruise liner ingawdi l-Amerka, imma ma rbahtiex u qieghed xoghol:)
Ejjew ma nkunux daqsekk negattivi, u flok niggudikaw nitghallmu mill-izbalji ta haddiehor.
Ghax nistaqsi lin-nies honesti u sinciera, min qatt ma halla lit-tfal tieghu jigru wahedhom barra, u dan kellu 16 il- sena.
ejja nitghallmu flok niggudikaw u nghidu li kieku u li kieku, nitghallmu min zbalji li saru halli ma nergawx nirrepetuwhom.
Victor Pulis
Jul 29th 2011, 15:19
swimming dogs are prone to scratch anyone close to them since they cannot tread water like us and must keep on paddling or go under. The dog's action was not an aggressive one. if the boy has a problem controlling his anger he could be a danger not only to animals. It is not up to him to decide if the prescribed medication is needed or not. Yet another sorry animal story.
Jimmy John M Vella
Jul 29th 2011, 15:35
My sentiments exactly Mr Pulis. It is evident you know dogs! This story is HORRIFIC!
hugh jars
Jul 29th 2011, 16:37
totally agree. animals cant talk
Ian Micallef
Jul 29th 2011, 16:58
I could only agree ... Disgusting .. And this breed is so docile ... I would like to hear more abou the story though ...
Stefan Enge
Jul 29th 2011, 17:21
Why the hell they let a dog swimming close to kids?
Mr joe vella
Jul 29th 2011, 15:16
the boy cannot control his anger in certain situations
his parents take him to a psychiatrist, but then do not seem to bother whether his instructions are followed
the boy feels he does not need any medication- his parents appear to have no control (maybe they need treatment too?)
the boy gets angry and drowns a dog
the boy goes to court, his name is kept under wraps
the boy gets out on a suspended sentence or under care
the boy is basically out free
the boy becomes angry again and maybe next time his victim will be human
and then what?
linda galea
Jul 29th 2011, 15:36
Totally agree Mr. Vella... re: medication... It is a fact, that ppl feel no need 2 take the medication prescribed 2 them.. [ especially psychiatric ] This boy is a minor + SHOULD be supervised by his parents...How do I no.? Im diagnosed bi-polar..... + sometimes feel i dont need them...the consequences can be bad.. As for drowning this poor animal, that is no excuse...he knew his actions were wrong... Im not ashamed 2 put my name 2 this comment... b cos I DO take my medication........BTW... it is well known , that kids who commit these sort of crimes, go on , in adulthood 2 commit even wrse ones. [not all] but... FACT...!!
Mrs C. Weitze
Jul 29th 2011, 15:08
Although I agree that this is a serious situation I strongly disagree with the short-term solution of putting the boy on drugs to suppress his anger problem.
This is simply sweeping his mental dust under the carpet as these drugs do not solve the real source of the boy's anger!
Unfortunately it is very common to put people with whatever psychological problem on drugs, where an open ear, mental guidance and general support would help far better on the long run. But unfortunately society wants quick and preferably instant solutions without realizing, that they do more harm than good.
I have seen too many people becoming artificial morons due to these kind of suppressant drugs.
Christina Pace
Jul 29th 2011, 15:33
Mrs C. Weitze, in anger management drugs are not used to "sweep his mental dust under the carpet". Rather it induces them in a more docile state during which successful psychotherpy may take place without continuing to be a danger to himself and others.. A person in an angry state will not benefit as much from therapy.
Having said that some psychological disorders, including some anger disorders, are caused by biological imbalances such as hormone deficiencies and/or overabudance of them. As such that then becomes an organic problem and is most likely only treatable by medication.
Please retfrain from suggesting that sick people shouls stop taking their meds unless you are a certified specialist on the matter.
Mrs C. Weitze
Jul 29th 2011, 16:18
Dear Ms. Pace,
I did not suggest anything.
I just pointed out that in many cases psychotherapy - when indicated - does not take place!
hugh jars
Jul 29th 2011, 16:40
like pop stars who kill themselves!!!!!
Anthony Pace
Jul 29th 2011, 15:06
A cruel, cruel act which has brought alot of heartache to the owner. Having a family pet drowned infront of you is a trauma which is not easily forgotten, especially when the person concerned is a very pruedent and responsible animal lover. My thoughts are with you dear friend.
Paul Camilleri
Jul 29th 2011, 15:04
I would charge the dog's owner in the first instance, since he should not have taken the dog to the water-polo pitch in terms of recent legislation.
Mrs Rita Dimech Portelli
Jul 29th 2011, 15:24
True as well, but still there was no reason for killing the dog. This is outright cruelty and is unacceptable
Ian Micallef
Jul 29th 2011, 17:03
Paul,
I would agree with you if we had beaches for animals, give us alternatives
Stefan Enge
Jul 29th 2011, 17:22
Well said!
Giov DeMartino
Jul 29th 2011, 15:00
Qabel ma nibdew naghmlu lill-"bniedem" nhalma l-bniedem jaghmel lill-"annimal" m'ahniex se naslu
fleur cilia buckett
Jul 29th 2011, 14:49
firstly what was a dog doing in a waterpolo pitch and secondly where was the owner of this dog?!!! note the boy refused to take his meds cos he felt he did not need it?? if it was my son, he would take them regardless!!
Tania Xerri
Jul 29th 2011, 14:49
Shame on you. You should be given hard work with an animal sanctuary.
How could you be so heartless.
Ms Maria Vella
Jul 29th 2011, 14:49
I sincerely hope that this child is locked away in Mount Carmel, given his medication and not let out of there before there are clear visible signs that his anger can be controlled.
To vent one's anger on such a docile animal such as a labrador is very worrying to say the least. What is more worrying is the parents who allow him not to take medication.
Action is needed here! not just a Eur1,000 fine.
hugh jars
Jul 29th 2011, 16:46
trouble with malta, no justice, all gutless wonders
Mr Joe Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 14:40
I don't want to dramatise the situation, but that's how all serial killers start, killing animals.
The boy must be forced to take his medication. This is serious stuff.
Elaine Debono
Jul 29th 2011, 15:01
I totally agree .... if medication was prescribed then it is up to the parents to make sure that the medication is taken ... they should be held accountable ... what if a younger child was swimming, panicked and hung on to him for dear life? would he have drowned the child too?
I cannot help but feel sorry for the owner of the dog ... pets become family ... my condolensces to the owner
Reuben Abela
Jul 29th 2011, 15:16
if you don't want to dramatise you should refrain from posting such comments
Salvinu Buttigieg
Jul 29th 2011, 15:17
It is serious, although its way out of order and the majority of animal lover condemn this type of cruilty, at least he admit his guilt and should be punished by law accordinly 16 or not!, at least this is the law in most civilized countries, Malta still has to act on this kind of savagery behaviour, Maltya has a bad name now as it is with visiters, this will add to Malta's image and if we are not careful it will be Black Listed as a country with no feelings towards their animals.........not a nice thought.
Lolita Lija
Jul 29th 2011, 14:39
Evil Boy,Labrador are one of the most friendly breeds,Shame on you.
Mr daniel Gordon
Jul 29th 2011, 14:58
He is not evil, he is sick. Didn't you read the article?
Evil would be for someone with no medical condition doing the same thing for fun. Or shooting a dog in the head and burying it. That can be called evil.
As Mr Joe Borg says: This is how serial killers start. This boy must be given the correct treatment in an institution before he gets worse. His parents are unfortunately incapable of caring sufficiently.
I feel really sorry for the dog and its owner.
M Cauchi
Jul 29th 2011, 14:38
Why not Community service also?
Deo Catania
Jul 29th 2011, 14:36
"The boy, he said, had also told him that when he was in certain situations he could not control his anger.
The boy's parents told Insp. Mercieca that their son was currently under the care of psychiatrist Anthony Dimech who had given him pills to manage his anger problems. The boy, however, refused to take the medication because he felt he did not need it."
Quite contradictory statements, so this criminal said "in certain situations he could not control his anger.", simply to avoid criminal charges but his parents said "The boy, however, refused to take the medication because he felt he did not need it." Just throw this killer in jail, if he's really crazy something I strongly doubt he should have taken his medicine.
Mrs Rita Dimech Portelli
Jul 29th 2011, 14:36
Poor,poor dog, again featured the cruel hand of man agains man's best friend.
R. Gauci
Jul 29th 2011, 14:34
This boy should be kept under observation, he might be a danger to society.
Denise Mifsud
Jul 29th 2011, 14:34
Ma kelb innocenti ried jizvoga r-rabja li ghandu. Ghax ma marx ihabbat rasu ma hajt jekk kien irrabjat.
Veru spiccaw ma jistaw imorru mkien il-klieb.
Mark Galea
Jul 29th 2011, 14:25
issa nispera li ma nitfghux tifel marid il-habs minhabba kelb.
Din hi ideologija liberali jew?
Ms Maria Vella
Jul 29th 2011, 14:46
I find your post disturbing to say the least.
(1) - you are condoning a crime, to which an innocent being was senselessly killed because boy refused to take medication to control his anger. Would you have said that if a human was injured or killed? just because animals don't have a voice doesn't mean they are to suffer such a fate
(2) is your idea of killing an animal liberal?
(3) what would your solution be? give the boy a medal?
Mr Charles Bayliss
Jul 29th 2011, 14:51
Le ma nippretendiex li jmur il-habs imma kastig ghandu jinghata. Jekk hu dak li hu, suppost qieghed fi sptar u mhux jigri mas-saqajn.
M. Bezzina
Jul 29th 2011, 14:53
Ghandu iehu kastig bhala talima u jekk ibati min xi kundizzjoni mentali jkompli jiehu l kura taghha wkoll mhux ghax tkun irrabjat tizvoga fuq min hu debboli!!
Deo Catania
Jul 29th 2011, 14:56
Kapaci taqra u tifhem bl-ingliz? il-genituri qalu li t-tifel ma hax il-medicina ghax hass li m'ghandux bzonnha mela allura mhux vera marid. Il-habs mhux ha jmur ghax nafu l-ligi ta' Malta kif inhi pero hekk haqqu mhux billi tigi int tiskuzah. Jekk mhux tajjeb ghal ma' n-nies il-genituri jmisshom zammewh gewwa. Min jaf li kieku gharraq lil xi tifel zghir?
Joseph Borg
Jul 29th 2011, 15:11
le Mark hux...mela nghidulu prosit u ncapcpulu!
16 il sena mhux tifel zghir....jekk mhux kapaci jikkontrolla l agir tieghu misshom il genituri jkunu ghajnejh fuqu il hin kollu. Minjaf kieku flok il kelb kien hemm xi tifel ta xi 10snin?
kont tirragguna l istess.
Mela ghax kelb allura naghlqu ghajnejna.
Jiena mhux qed nghid imur il habs ta far from it...imma ghanda tittiehed xi forma ta azzjoni u jekk hemm bzonn jidhol ghal kura.
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Jul 29th 2011, 15:20
The dog could have easily been a baby crying too much!! Today we where lucky it was just (and the word just is not in good use either) dog. Tomorrow, if no action is taken the dog could be a human person. I will not say if the boy should go to prison (which I do not think will happen). I trust that the courts will do their job and try to somehow give a better life for this boy by teaching him the importance of respecting every living creature!!
Ryan Falzon
Jul 29th 2011, 15:21
What are you suggesting Mr Galea? He is getting the help he needs and is refusing it. He should not be at the beach around other people if he cannot control his anger. I bet that you would not think the same if he drowned your child. But oh its just a dog, nevermind!
God forbid if i was there or if that was my dog!