PN information director urges party action to get liberal voters back
The Nationalist Party's Information Director has urged the party to take quick action to ensure that social liberal PN voters who felt disappointed by the party's stand on divorce, return to the fold.
"For this to happen the party needs to forcefully put forward its social liberal agenda and urgently take up some very important issues that need to be addressed, namely IVF legislation and cohabitation laws," Frank Psaila says in an opinion piece in The Times.
Following that, he said, more concrete measures need to be taken, not least legislating some "much needed and long overdue civil liberties the country can't afford to postpone any longer."
He did not specify what he was referring to.
Mr Psaila said that no way did his proposals mean that the party should alienate its grass roots, who tended to be more conservative by nature, "but it is a given that unless the party caters for many a social liberal it will have a difficult task come 2013."
"The PN is synonymous with liberty, free choice, respect for human dignity and, above all, solidarity. A healthier social liberal agenda benefits the party but above all the country. The PN needs to win back the trust of many social liberal voters and it needs to do so now," he said.
See the opinion piece in full at
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110608/opinion/Social-liberal-agenda-for-PN.369465
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Charles J. Buttigieg
Jun 8th 2011, 20:42
Enough said about JPO, he will soon go dawn as ‘a has-been’. If Gonzipn want him they may keep him. We surely do not need him or want him in our midst. Our talent scouting is for more people like Deborah Schembri, Emmanuel Mallia, Robert Abela, Lydia Abela, Rachael Tua, the wife of a Serving PN MP and other honourable candidates. We are spoiled for choice and those referred to as ‘PN liberals’ by Frank Psaila have given up hope in Gonzipn and are joining our PL by the dozens.
There is only one way to change the direction of a despotic administration and that is a massive political defeat. The cries and appeals of Frank Psaila and Co. are only whispers in the wilderness. Do you honestly thing that RCC and Peter Serracino Ingrop, and their band of brothers have got the magic formulae to pacify the likes of Jesmond Mugliette, Frank Portelli, JP Farrugia, John Dalli, Louis Galea, Joe Borg, Michael Falzon, Mananni tal grocer and her family and the cat? Fat chance. And let’s face it, if you and I were political neutral, would we be happy to see the same party in government forever?
Ms D Galea
Jun 10th 2011, 10:12
mules masquerading as prime race-horses.
Mr Pierre Portelli
Jun 10th 2011, 11:53
You will never get us back with what you are doing...I will vote PN again in 20 years time only when I see most of the present leaders no longer in OUR party...
Mr John Cassar
Jun 8th 2011, 20:39
Frankly, the recommendation is well meant, maybe a beacon of light in a sea of darkness. However I don't see the liberal voters (social liberals that is) buying it when the PN acting cast remains the same. Would I trust a party swarming with abstentions and No votes on divorce with another term in office?
For a real turn around it may have to be as dramatic as a leadership change and removal of those who still believe in the PN being the flagship of the church. It has been apparent from the very early days of the referendum that the church has turned from a formidable political asset to a major liability. It seems like Malta's Jasmine Spring has triggered a wave of secularism of tsunami proportions. A divorce from the church may help the cause.
And before anyone comes back with a lot of rot about Article 2 of our constitution, may I humbly share this with you.
"At the heart of the matter is Article Two, which states that: (1) The religion of Malta is the Roman Catholic Apostolic Religion; (2) The authorities of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church have the duty and the right to teach which principles are right and which are wrong; (3) Religious teaching of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Faith shall be provided in all State schools as part of compulsory education.”
Contrary to widespread perception, only the second of these three provisos is ‘entrenched’ – i.e., requires a two thirds majority to repeal. The first and the third may be overturned by a simple majority in the House"
No wonder there are allegations in part of the media that the church gave 250,000 Euros to the no
campaign...
Mr Marcel Dingli
Jun 8th 2011, 19:14
Well the trouble has been brewing in the PN since the late 60`s and early 70`s and its the so called christian democrats which are to blame as they are so only in name. They are neither christian nor democratic but only a brood of vipers using a flashy name. I remember Albert Borg Olivier de Puget clearly stating to members that if the party name and emblem changed , he and another group would contest elections under the old emblem and name. These have not been changed for convenience sake. There is nothing absolutely NOTHING left which is nationalist in the PN. Shame on christian democrats especially those who in other countries supported abortion legislation. Very christian indeed !!
Mr G Mangion
Jun 8th 2011, 18:39
Quote ( The Nationalist Party's Information Director has urged the party to take quick action to ensure that social liberal PN voters who felt disappointed by the party's stand on divorce, return to the fold.)
It has nothing to do with the Divorce issue.
what People Really wants in my opinnion is:
Better Wellfare State Like - Housing Dept to do there Job Seriuosly Everybody knows there are Many Hundreds Homeless waiting for Years for a roof on there Heads !!
there are too many to mention here but those more in NEED must Be Acccounted for.
It is Also Very True the way the mlp is always in Maltese ( Jaghmel il - Bsaten Fir Roti ) Which Means Hammering down his Own supporters !! What we all sure need is a Credible Opposition that works Hand i Hand with the Gov't it is only then that will bring the Voters Back from Both Sides.......!
G. Mangion.
Mr K.M Edwards
Jun 8th 2011, 18:20
Social conservatives ought to follow this development very carefully. It is very similar to what happened in Canada's federal political landscape in the late 1980s. The Conservatives basically abandoned the pro-life cause taking a 'don't care' approach towards abortion, IVF, surrogacy and gay marriage, among other things. For 20 years social conservatives have kept voting conservative thinking that they were still the only party who would support them. The same has happened in the US under many Republican administrations.
In a political climate like this, it will be easy for the PN to abandon social conservative issues and just take the soc. cons vote for granted, while pandering to social liberals.
One remedial action will be for a coalition of concerned social conservatives to publish a list of policy questions for candidates of all parties - PL, PN, Greens, AD, etc - and judge each candidate for his own soc. cons, views. IF they answer against social conservative policy or abstain from answering the questionnaire, you know where they stand. This way, no party can take social conservatives for granted, and each are accountable.
THe other remedial action is for social conservatives to get politically active in the candidate nomination process for each electoral district for both parties, PL and PN. This can help ensure that the PL and PN candidates running in each district are social conservatives. Failing that, you may have a choice between a PL social liberal and a PN social liberal, and find yourself unable in conscience to vote for either one.
A final remedial action, that can be risky to be sure, is to start a social conservative party with a platform that is clear. This could work in Malta in the next election if the social conservatives are also fiscal conservatives, with a populist sense of fiscal transparency, much like the Brits recently elected, given the current anger at the PN government's fiscal performance and the fruitlessness of the very bad idea of joining Malta to the EU in 2004.
But the net net of all this is that social conservatives need to be vigilant and give themselves options for 2013. The EU zeitgeist is socially liberal and more social liberal views will be forced upon Malta without grass roots activism in favor of Malta's traditional social values.
Christian Abela
Jun 8th 2011, 18:04
I think they should focus more on the classic liberalism voters since the country is full of them.
Roberta Sciberras
Jun 8th 2011, 17:46
I say what the Nationalist Party needs is more brave people like Mr Philip Hili who writes here. The PN doesn't need to be a liberal party. What is needed is to go back to the roots - who cares for worthless liberal ideas!
Mr Peter Borg Olivier
Jun 8th 2011, 19:49
I perfectly agree ! Sound principles don't go out of fashion !! Gays and Lesbians should form a party of their own and not use a party with sound principles .Just look what's happening around us !
Ms D Galea
Jun 10th 2011, 10:20
hear hear.......I rather throw my voting document in the rubbish bin next time round then vote for a PN candidate who conveniently forgets his Religio Et Patria roots for the sake of being perceived conveniently as "modern , liberal and progressive".
Any political party wanting my vote better reconsider its position as far as traditional values are concerned. Trying to bulldoze me by insulting what I beliEve in will not work either......not unless each of the major political parties are so confident of winning the next general election that they are ready to do without the vote of such as I.
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 17:45
@D. Xerri.
You see, Mr/Ms Xerri, you all got it wrong!! But in order to criticise you do not think prior you put pen to paper.
For your information l-Istamperija as it used to be known and as it is till known even thought the proper name is "Id-Dar Centrali" is similar to a building in Brussels and not similar to "id-dar tal-hgieg".
Nispera li ma tithawwadx issa li forsi fhimt ftit......
D. Xerri
Jun 8th 2011, 17:09
Looking at this picture up here reminds me of those naming the PL headquarters Id-Dar Tal-hgieg - Im sure most of you remember - Well seems to me that this PN headquarters is too Id-Dar tal-Hgieg - Built mainly on the same procedure - Mostly Glass Everywhere :~) in the structure - like in the maltese proverb then - Min Imaqdar irid Jixtri! seeing that this other Dar Tal-Hgieg was built years after the PL headquarters imma nsomma you know what I mean.
On this urgency to get back the liberal ones - I think the matter has gone off-hand now and no matter what is said and done everyone can still to this date see that we have a Prime Minister still undecided - not able to take a decision - or afraid to say his decision - About his own vote in Parliament on this Divorce Bill or worse even a Prime Minister deciding to be undecided himself :~) Insomma Hawwadni ha Nifhmek Jew Ahjar Q
Charles J. Buttigieg
Jun 8th 2011, 17:35
min imaqdar irid jixtri.
Charles J. Buttigieg
Jun 8th 2011, 17:00
Noel Barry and Erick Psaila were both my colleagues at Air Malta for many years and we had a lot of mutual respect for each other in spite of our political differences. During 1981 and 1987 they both suffered political injustices and there was one instance that even I caused them hurt during the political strike of Imnarja. For that I still feel ashamed of myself even though I made more than one public apology. After 1987 the lives of these two gentlemen and other PN activists at Air Malta returned to normal and they got nice rewards from the new PN administration. 1987 wasn’t just the year to end the injustices against the PN activists it was also the year to payback the former PL administration by way of hitting hard against its supporters at Air Malta. Dozens of us in seniour management,middle management and clerical grades were savegely discriminated against and emarginated to roam around like the untouchables of India. When that was happening Noel Barry and his friends were enjoying their newly found freedom and ignoring the sufferings of the new untouchable breed. Erick Psaila and a few more PN supporters offered us hospice for our pain and sufferings and made it a point to let everybody know that the then PN administration was committing sins not less in gravity than those committed by the previous PL administration. And that positive attitude increased my admiration for Erick Psaila and gentlemen like him.
Mr James Micallef
Jun 8th 2011, 17:48
Erm.... No. It's black on white: "SOCIAL liberal agenda", not "ECONOMIC liberal agenda". That means it's concerned with things like divorce, cohabitation, civil rights, freedom of information, proper representational institutions / elections etc (all areas in which both PN and PL are still stuck in last century).
Good to see that someone is taking note, and hopefully it will lead to some real change, not just empty slogans. I'm not holding my breath, though
Noel Barry
Jun 8th 2011, 21:29
Dear Charles, when i was promoted many years passed while you were enjoying promotons given to you by both MLP and PN. This subject is closed for me
Rennie Mercieca
Jun 8th 2011, 16:46
"Social liberal agenda"
Does this mean LOWER electricity bills?
Does this mean getting a TAX CUT? ( as promised in the last election)
Does this mean controling COST OF LIVING?
Does this mean reducing FUEL COSTS?
or does this mean trying to patch up the cracks that are evident in a desperate bid to win back Votes?
MALCOLM SEYCHELL
Jun 8th 2011, 16:17
Can Frank Psaila tell us what are the principle of today's nationalist party?
Giving everything for free to private enterprise without any accountability
Opening our country to illegal immigration
Deficit without control
Giving better tax rates for single mothers and pogguti rather than families(imbad taparsi il partit tal familja)
Being against a right like divorce
Saying always yes sir to Brussels even if this goes against our national interest
Promoting multiculturalism
Being the church's puppet
No streaming in education although these failed all over europe.
Is this the once called nationalist party?
Mr Joe Micallef
Jun 8th 2011, 16:28
What a spin doctor you are Mr. Seychell! Impressive you sound like a staunch conservative but you are not really sure you are and take sides with who ever is passing by . MAKE YOUR MIND UP
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 16:57
@Malcolm Seychell
Malcolm, Who is giving everything for free to privates enterprise without any accountability?
Are you living in Mars in order not to know that private enterprises are being helped financially by the EU and for getting this aid, strict accountability is performed?
Who is opening our country for illegal immigration? Malcolm, ahna ahna jew m' haniex?
Do you watch RAI tv or follow the Italian news? Minister Roberto Maroni is contradicting you because he is going to sue Malta for leaving these immigrants reaching Italian shores!!
Deficit without control? Are you better than the EuroStat?
As far as I am concerned neither the single mothers nor the other type of couples you have mentioned have a better tax rate. what they have is social security allowance and not special tax rate.
Anything wrong for proclaiming what you believe in? The PL did not proclaim his position and played dirty during the referendum campaign.
For example by declaring that you are not going to participate with Frontex (jekk taf x'hin) because the rules set down were not in Malta's favour, means "Saying always yes sir to Brussels even if this goes against our national interest"?
What's wrong for Malta to promote multiculturalism being in the centre of the Mediterranean where many cultures meet?
Being a church puppet - when you have some time go through our Constitution and read chapter 1 Art. 2 maybe you understand something.
Eduction!! kont f'sessik meta sar l-streaming fl-education with the blessings of all stakeholders?
Malcolm, qabel tibda tikteb ftakar li f'dak li tkun ser tikteb ma jkunx hemm xi kontradizzjoni fieh!!!
Ma nahsibx li nkun educat jekk nghidlek "ghalaqlu ftit mill-kummenti banali li tikteb"!
Saviour Grech
Jun 8th 2011, 16:11
It is quite rich for the present, and I think even unethical for the incumbent PR director of the PN to give advise to what is to be done to avert a future possible debacle when he is part and parcel of a currrent shambles.
I dare say that as a paid official of an orgnanisation he has no remit to open a public discussion and suggest possible solutions. If he sees a problem in the organisation he is runing (the PN) he is duty bound to internally analyse what is happening and advise the person or persons (in this case the PN leadership) on a proper course of action. With respect Mr. Psaila's duty is to run the show and give assitance to his employers to run the show. Once he is an elected/or paid official he has no liberty to discuss in public the policies of his organisation. He can only execute/ promote the agreed policies of the PN. I opine that Mr. Psaila has shown disloyaly to the PN leadership by publicly suggesting solutions to coverf up for the referendum disaster. At this point in time it would have been better it all party officials leave the PN Headquarters and go down in the streets and try to listen to what the PN foot-soldiers (whether liberal, conservative, edwardian, demarcos, Borgoliviers, left-leanind, right leaning, centrist, demochristians, confessional etc, etc etc) are all saying. I am sure the leading motley wil be shocked with what they will hear.
As for Frank's future pseudo liberal? agenda he is proposing to procure salvation at the huntings, I wonder whether he proposes same sex unions being sanitised as marriages so that in time such unholy unions can procure children who will be brought up in a fancy topsy turvey way.
U hallina Frank! Why don't you and other of your ilk call it a day so that we may perhaps have a chance to fight another day.
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 15:55
By the way, Frank Psaila, I have a suggestion for you and it looks attractive because once you accept it, you will be the master of your own?!!
Why don't you form your own party, call it Liberal Party and than pool with you, dr. frank portelli, michale falzon, ceycurs engerer, the promoter of the divorce bill, jesmond mugliette, may be varist bartolo and others whom you think they have liberal idea similar to yours? May be you can attract more from the PL because I mentioned only one. It could be that even some of your mates in the administration might join you!! Then you will be in a better situation where you can ensure that social liberal PN voters who felt disappointed by the party's stand on divorce, return to the you, the Liberal party! Thus you part from the Nationalist Party and leave it as you have found it when you stepped for the first time at the headquarters.
Accepting my suggestion, both you who have liberal ideas and us who would like to keep the conservative pattern gain.
Mr Marcel Dingli
Jun 8th 2011, 15:33
The PN opted to win elections ( not only God knows why ) and lose its soul. Seems the urge for money and power has no limits.
Ms D Galea
Jun 8th 2011, 15:21
Has the PN officially shed its Religio Et Patria motto?
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 16:19
@ Ms D Galea
It looks like!!
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 17:03
@ Ms c dimech
The conclusion of my sentence leave it for some bright minds like yours where brain cells flow abundantly but to no vail.
Ms C. Dimech
Jun 8th 2011, 17:16
to no avail you mean? lol
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 17:54
@Ms C dimech
sorry typing error,
The best thing is that you understood my comment
Mr Joe Micallef
Jun 8th 2011, 15:12
To me it is beyond doubt that the PN is in the irrevocable process were the leadership baton must be passed from its conservative faction to its equally important liberal faction. This need not be traumatic if the liberal faction respects the old firm as the former did until today.
It would be stupid for the liberals to think that they can do without the conservatives and as stupid of the conservatives not to read the sign of the times. Maybe it has gone unobserved that within the PN there has been a growing third body of countable “liberal conservatives” who I believe have a major role to play in this transition.
The ball is in the court of the parties executive bodies and with it the major responsibility of seeing through this transition or otherwise consign the government to the known and feared motley crew that unfortunately the PL still is!
Mr James Grech
Jun 8th 2011, 14:47
@Noel Barry
So would you be allowed to not attend work tomorrow, should the opposition says that tomorrow is a public holiday? Whatever the government of the day decides goes. What did u say when this government decided that you will not get an extra day leave if a public holiday came during the weekend? Furthermore, coming from a union who should protect people's jobs as well as maintain good relations with industry, the UHM did a very big mistake there. But yes, we blame it all on the inefficiencies of the Labour government, which I'm not contesting. Nevertheless that attitude was wrong and it put many people between a rock and a hard place. I'm not going to reply to your tug related issue, cause if I remember correctly, I saw both red and blue tugs. With regards to your comment on our accession to the EU, as much hyped this was by the PN, we now understand more fully that there are advantages and disadvantages. For those that can in fact make it to go abroad and study or earn good money well and good, but for many others, its the same. So pray do not generalise, like every other big institution, the EU was never THAT good, many countries that entered before us knew that.
Noel Barry
Jun 8th 2011, 16:15
Mr Grech when we went out on a 1 day strike, it was a union directive in sympathy of the teachers, who were out for a number of months. This was a legitimate strike. As regards red and blue thugs. Were you in Malta during the 70s and 80s. We PN supports were the ones who got beaten and arrested and I was one of them. I worked at Air Malta and was politically transferred for trying to form a house union. This transfer cost me and my family 10,000 Maltese liri over 10 years, thanks to a socialist goverment. As regards the EU not being that good. Can you mention one country that opted to stop membership.
Mr Alexander Pace Gouder.
Jun 8th 2011, 14:46
Liberal PN voters back? My foot. You will get these back when the MP Ministers vote not to take the Euro500 per week plus Euro 5000 per year.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And now Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando in his to-day's article in THE TIMES- Talking Point - The Salary Hikes 'Comedy of Errors' (YES but not the word Comedy but the word TRAGEDY would have sounded better,says he will vote against the opposition motion QUOTE:"becaust the Leader of the Opposition was stamping his feet because he was left without the salery HIKE." DO YOU THINK this is why you have all agreed to vote against?????????? Note the word HIKE. Come on now is the time to use the word "Conscious'. Euro5000 per year + Euro500 per week = Euro1.16 per week. Thats what I call CONSCIOUS. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWAKE -BE SENSABLE.
Stephen Grech
Jun 8th 2011, 16:03
Well said Alan.
Alan Deidun
Jun 8th 2011, 14:36
Frank - with all due respect - it will not be a disaster for the PN to lose the next election - its much better than it selling its soul to the highest bidder - the PN should never do away with its conservative core since there's nothing to be ashamed of being conservative - Malta needs a conservative party as much as its needs liberal ones - introduce policy changes yes, but pls respect the conservatives amongst you and hence dont introduce these in one fell swoop - the PL sold its workers' party ethos long ago - I augur that the PN does not become itself soulless and devoid of any distinctive character - the PN should not be populist but stick to the principles that its founders emblazoned in its DNA
Mr Joseph Aquilina
Jun 8th 2011, 15:55
I agree. I vote PN because it is a conservative party, and I will not vote it if it is anything else then that!!
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 16:30
Liberal idea - out of the Party
Only one solution. The Executive of the Party should listen to the man in the street and not to certain employees at the headquarters. They have their agenda and whilst they are near to the people who take decisions, these people try to push their agenda.
Very well said Alan
Maybe if they attract these voters with liberal ideas keep on in their cushy job at the PN headquarters!!!!
Noel Barry
Jun 8th 2011, 14:20
Dear Mr. Eric Psaila, you can support the MLP as much as you like but would like to remind you of what you have been through, thanks to the party you are now voting for. Do you remember being locked out of work becuase of the Mnarja, remember being locked out of work because you obeyed a UHM directive to go out on a 1 day strike, remember the transfer you had from shift to day duties, which cost you hundreds of Maltese liri, rememebr when labour thugs tried to attack you and your friends, remember when you couldn't read the in-Nazzjon at the office. And by the way remember that if it wasn't for the PN, who gave us EU membership, we wouldn't have had the opportunity to work and live in EU countries, like for example Ireland. Dear Eric, when you go to vote labour in 2 years time, and that is still a long way, stop for a few seconds and think about these things.
Mr Kevin Sciberras
Jun 8th 2011, 14:52
Noel Barry,
It appears your memory is biased. There was a time that many maltese and gozotans had to work abroad in the USA, UK, Canada and Australia because of the Nationalists in the 60s. Maybe you have forgotten those times, wherein it was a sin to vote, l-interdet and labourites not being able to be buried in a cemetary etc.
If you think transfers and other such matters are not currently happening well then you are not reading the newspapers!!
Both parties have been in power and both have had their good times and bad times. The point is its time for the PN to move on.
Carmel Xuereb
Jun 8th 2011, 14:53
It's the same old story from blue eyed boys. Do you remember the good things that previous Labour Governments did for you like children's allowance, pensions, free medical care and so on and on all occasions the PN people voted against such good things. No I like Mr. Eric Psaila is saying that's enough, it's to much to bear we can't cope with our wages, were are heading for poverty like we were in the 60's Mr. Barry. We need change and the sooner the better. Bye Bye PN.
N. Aquilina
Jun 8th 2011, 15:05
Mr. Barry
We are living in 2011 and not in the 1980's
If you are happy living in the past then the PN is the right party for you!
The PN were not Saints either
No need to comment further
R Axisa
Jun 8th 2011, 15:21
I sympatise with you about the LP's past, but it's useless trying to revive the past. To be fair, even the PN of the 60s made it's mistakes, but both parties have evolved and we cannot live in the past. In my opinion, this target against the LP is used when one cannot argue about the present governance. And one cannot ignore the fact that the present LP is not the same LP of the 70s/80s. And the same applies for NP - the NP of the 60s wasn't the same NP of the 90s. However I'm afraid I must admit that Dr Gonzi's governance leaves much to be desired on various aspects, mainly that he isn't in line with the common people and that really hurts!
Mr James Farrugia
Jun 8th 2011, 15:24
Move on, all countries have a bad past politically, if we keep looking back we'll never move forward.
Mr Eric Psaila
Jun 8th 2011, 15:46
Dear Noel All you mentioned is true. But PN destroyed our beloved Air Malta. Remember the Avros,
lack of advertising funds at the right time, no actions taken to address serious management problems notwithstanding that the government was warned. All the troubles Air Malta has now could have been avoided if only people listened. I did my part but was ignored and on occasions even threatened and all this during a PN administration.
Mark Spiteri
Jun 8th 2011, 14:09
It is already too late to try to win back the lost votes. Is there any one who is going to trust PN again? We did amistake already in last election but not his time. I can say that for the first time I will vote to another party but not PN. Most of you are living in another world not Malta. Cia Cia
Mr James Farrugia
Jun 8th 2011, 14:08
In 08 i saw a different PN, i though things were going to get better.But no.
Since then we've the complete mess that is the power station, ministers going unchecked and not being brought to task, the slap in the face to the Maltese that is the new parliament,the disgust of the pay rise, come on seriously look at yourselves in the mirror if you have the guts to do so, i could go on but it gets boring.
My vote will not go to the PN for a long time to come.
Adrian Cachia
Jun 8th 2011, 13:25
Is that even possible? What is it with the PL and the PN trying to pick up every vote!! Give space to other parties and make Malta truly democratic by letting other parties get elected! End the two party system and include a percentage quota!!
Mr Eric Psaila
Jun 8th 2011, 13:18
Too late Mr Frank Psaila. Last time I did not vote. But this time it is going to be labour.
And if you have any doubt whether I was a PN supporter check your past list of members. I was one of you but not anymore. It is not just the divorce issue. The PN is arrogant and insensitive. This government sold off the country's jewels and has through its incompetence destroyed Air Malta.
Mr Joseph E Briffa
Jun 8th 2011, 13:14
Some people keep comparing the rise in MPs income with the COLA of 2011. In the first place the MPs' rise was due to a revision of salaries + honoraria which hadn't taken place for a decade, during which people's salaries and wages almost doubled. The revision brought back the MPs income in line.. Secondly, the rise happened in 2008 not in 2011, Hence the COLA, even though it has nothing to do with the MPs' revision of salaries, should at least be quoted for the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 which would tot up to around Eur10 a week. This is not taking into consideration the lump sum of Eur270 given to all pensioners as one lump sum in January 2011 in addition to the Eur1.16 increase - effectively Eur6 a week. So pensioners got an extra Eur15 a week over the 2008-2011 period. Thirdly, the overall income of MPs is nothing out of this world; professionals in Malta make that much and even more: some double and triple that. Even skilled labourers make as much as MPs get.
Mr edward ciantar
Jun 8th 2011, 14:16
yeh keep on dishing out excuses for the hefty raise no not the €1.16.
Mr Joseph Calleja
Jun 8th 2011, 14:34
Mr Briffa I don't think the issue is the Honoraria pay raise or the 600 euro pay raise, I think it's the way they did it. Same thing like when Bishop Cremona said the church is not running a crusade against the divorce referendum but 250,000euro tells a different story. I don't think that the people were to upset about the outcome of the final vote as much as what came after. Certain Ministers, namely Austin Gatt, Giovanna Debono, Adrian Vassallo, Beppe Fenech Adami and a few others should have accepted the vote of the people and shut up, but no, they had to keep stirring the pot, over and over. Think about that Mr Briffa. It was a vicious campaign and the Yes vote won fair and square, now let it go.
Mr Michael Debono
Jun 8th 2011, 14:35
What do you mean a lump sum of Euros 270 to all pensionners. If this is true then there might have been exceptions.
Ms Rose Cilia
Jun 8th 2011, 15:03
I don't know about your salary Mr.Joseph E Briffa but my husband's salary used to be Lm 298 and now he earns 726 euros.Is that' almost doubled' for you? I don.t know how you do your maths.
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 13:13
Since my early days of childhood, at the age of 15 t0 20 I used to accompany my father to the "Kungress tal-Partit Nazzjonalist" in those days this used to be held at the Radio City, today, PL Headquarters.
At the opening and at the end of this congress, the party hymn was a MUST to be played. It was a glorious event for me and I used to look forward to it. Slowly, I began to understand the wording of the hymn and I used to enjoy singing and chanting with others.
Today, I am realising that some words { ta' kattolci ta' latini, Maltin veru nahilfuh} may "not fit" the mentality of some liberal people who are running the administration and I begin to realise that because of this mentality this glorious hymn is not played any more, at lease up to year ago!!
Had the late Pawlu Abdilla, Spiru Camilleri and others were still living, they could vouch for what I have written because these used to be up in arms for not playing the hymn at the beginning and at the end.
Mr Joseph E Briffa
Jun 8th 2011, 16:58
@Joseph Calleja..may I ask about the connection of divorce with the MPs revision of salaries? Frankly I can't see any connection. @ Michael Debono; All pensioners were paid this amount at the end of January 2011.
Mr Joseph Calleja
Jun 8th 2011, 17:38
@ Mr Briffa: I threw that in free of charge.
Antoine P Portelli
Jun 8th 2011, 13:05
Is it that bad within the PN that its Information Director needs to write an opinion piece on the Times of Malta to put forward his proposals ? What happened to all the party structures that dealt with strategy and planning ? Is there anyone in the glasshouse anymore ?
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 13:28
@ Antoine P Portelli
No Antoine, the party is HIJACKED by some liberal ideas!!!! How can the party bring back people who do not agree with these senseless ideas?
As of when the opinion of an Information Director binds the whole party?? Agree with you Antoine, where are the structures of the party?
Am I to be convinced that if the Party stays put, this means that the structures agree with what Mr. Psaila had written?
Mr John Cassar
Jun 9th 2011, 07:18
@Philip Hili
The PN is hijacked by liberal ideas??? Are you sure you live in Malta? more like hijacked by ultra fundamentalist catholic ideas. Not the PN of Fehmiet Bazici....
Philip Hili
Jun 10th 2011, 02:03
@John Cassar
Mr. Cassar, if I were to ask you how old are you, you might tell me - mind your own business, what a rude person!! Yes I live in Malta and because I live in Malta and know the structures of the PN I can reach to the conclusion that the PN is hijacked by liberal ideas. For your information, because it seems that you are not familiar with the PN, the Nationalist Party is founded on catholic principles and therefore it is not hijacked.
Carmel Xuereb
Jun 8th 2011, 12:57
NO WAY going back to the party, you didn't hear our cries whilst we are in agongy how come you will hear us another time. NO WAY. We will try another party and see how it goes. We will give them a 5 year term and if they will by like you nobody will get our votes the for ever. Till now it's BYE BYE PN.
Ms Agnes Bezzina
Jun 8th 2011, 13:45
You evidently did not live through the 80s my friend!! In those days, it was TRUE agony, and not just hyperbolic! You would not even have lasted one week without being beaten, or taunted, or demoted ... to mention but a few!! Not only did the word 'referendum' never feature in those days, but if the majority spoke up, they were shot at ... THINK BEFORE YOU ACT!
Mr Charles Bayliss
Jun 8th 2011, 14:36
I did live through the 80s. i will be 51 this year and have suffered in the 80s. Thus I agree with Carmel Xuereb. We are not puppets ready to be used then discarded. If you want to be a puppet suit yourself. The party of today is not the party of the 80s/90s
Carmel Xuereb
Jun 8th 2011, 15:44
@Ms Agnes Bezzina. Yes I lived both eras and during the 80's my friend troubled was stirred up by unknown thugs who were under the umbrella of those who were thirsty for power and the other poor guys got carried away and caused trouble. But look at the PL party now, wher are the thugs Ms. Bezzina? It's history now and every one whats to konw who was cooking during the 80's. Look at the frame ups, they all point one way to one or two persons who after the PN got to power they were awarded with promotions. Ms Bezzina I used to be a PN supporter (early 70's) and I know how things were done within the party.
Ms Agnes Bezzina
Jun 8th 2011, 15:48
Doesn't look like you've suffered enough though ... apart from the fact that you really need to check out the dictionary definition of 'agony' ... New Party indeed: Joe Debono Grech, Anglu Farrugia, etc etc etc etc ......
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 16:12
@ carmel xuereb
"Ms Bezzina I used to be a PN supporter (early 70's)" How many ex PN supporters are sprouting all of a sudden! Your action speaks for itself.
I do not doubt your feeble!! comment. But I am sure that either you did not live both eras as you said or had you been living in those days you were sitting pretty away from all trouble that touched the Maltese in general.
Dr Anthony Licari
Jun 8th 2011, 12:55
Dr Psaila suggests that "the party needs to forcefully [sic] put forward its social liberal agenda and urgently take up some very important issues that need to be addressed, namely IVF legislation and cohabitation laws."
Dr Psaila does not say "including" but "namely", giving the impression that there are two urgent issues only: IVF and cohabitation. His other suggestions would also be welcome. Obviously, as soon as government's Ministry of Health starts making use of the modern IVF facilities at Mater Dei, an APB [Anti-Pipette Brigade] will be created - with billboards warnings of fire and brimstone and all. The same brigade will also attack cohabitation as an artificial marriage. Perhaps Dr Psaila could have mentioned the need to abrogate the notorious Church-State agreement on marriage which is hardly in harmony with a "social liberal agenda". At the same time, can such an agenda be "forcefully" adopted in the time left before the election?
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 12:50
"For this to happen the party needs to forcefully put forward its social liberal agenda and urgently take up some very important issues that need to be addressed, namely IVF legislation and cohabitation laws," Frank Psaila says in an opinion piece in The Times."
Frank, it sounds a bit !!! fishy, don't you think so? It seems that you are going to be the pusher, promoter of these liberal ideas you mentioned.!!
Prosit ghalina!!!
Frank, what the Nationalist Party needs are HONEST people within his ranks and files and not people whose aim is their personal agenda. Honest advisors so that they give the party a genuine advises. I and perhaps many people would like to know who was the adviser to the PM with regards to the ministers' salary!! That is what the PN needs in order to retrieve people who were disappointed with the party's recent actions and not liberal ideas such as those mentioned by you above.
"The PN is synonymous with liberty, free choice, respect for human dignity and, above all, solidarity. A healthier social liberal agenda benefits the party but above all the country. The PN needs to win back the trust of many social liberal voters and it needs to do so now," he said."
Joseph Camilleri
Jun 8th 2011, 12:49
But if we already know your true colours, what purpose would this action achieve? Its not like we can be convinced that GonziPN govt is not ultra conservative!
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 12:49
"For this to happen the party needs to forcefully put forward its social liberal agenda and urgently take up some very important issues that need to be addressed, namely IVF legislation and cohabitation laws," Frank Psaila says in an opinion piece in The Times."
Frank, it sounds a bit !!! fishy, don't you think so? It seems that you are going to be the pusher, promoter of these liberal ideas you mentioned.!!
Prosit ghalina!!!
Frank, what the Nationalist Party needs are HONEST people within his ranks and files and not people whose aim is their personal agenda. Honest advisors so that they give the party a genuine advises. I and perhaps many people would like to know who was the adviser to the PM with regards to the ministers' salary!! That is what the PN needs in order to retrieve people who were disappointed with the party's recent actions and not liberal ideas such as those mentioned by you above.
"The PN is synonymous with liberty, free choice, respect for human dignity and, above all, solidarity. A healthier social liberal agenda benefits the party but above all the country. The PN needs to win back the trust of many social liberal voters and it needs to do so now," he said." FRANK THIS IS ALL B...............
Stephen Grech
Jun 8th 2011, 12:42
Do that and end-up losing your conservative base ie. the grass-roots of the PN
Mr Peter Borg
Jun 8th 2011, 14:16
Oh really ? Where will the conservative base go then if it leaves the PN ? There is no where for them to go. The only option open to them is to abstain from voting but that would mean implicitly aiding Labour.
The PN needs to address this issue urgently if it wants to stay in touch with the electorate. Joseph Muscat has stolen the middle ground and the PN's natural majority.It will be very ,very hard to win it back.
Stephen Grech
Jun 8th 2011, 15:24
Principles are principles and should not be bent/flexed to suit the mob. I believe the PN has some sort of principles in its statute.
If principles are bent to suit the purpose of the moment, then why bother having principles. These should act as the "constitution" of the party.
Unfortunately the talk of the day is how much votes the parties are going to garner.
Remember...Is-sewwa dejjem jirbah zgur.
Mr Peter Borg
Jun 9th 2011, 15:33
What principles enshrined in the PN statute are at odds with liberal values exactly ? The PN has been the natural home for liberals for the last 30 years and without these voters it might as well resign itself to a very long stint in opposition.
Mr Charles Bayliss
Jun 8th 2011, 12:39
And how can we GAY PN supporters come back into the party fold when our leader is rejecting us our basic rights in a free Maltese society. I have served the party since 1981 but no more. At least until we have a change in leadership and a change in policy. The Conservative Party in England changed it's policies towards gay people, and I can bet that some of it's majority came from the Gay Community who voted Labour in previous elections. Stop being the slaves of the Church and open your hearts to everybody as equals.
Alex Falzon
Jun 8th 2011, 13:43
Depends what rights you are required. Forget gay marriage & raising up children.
Mr Charles Bayliss
Jun 8th 2011, 15:27
Ignorance rules supreme in our island. Mr Falzon, you deem us inferior citizens to you. I am willing to make you one suggestion: will you for one instance pay our taxes because if we are unequal to you, we should also be unequal in what we give to the country.
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 17:15
@ Charles Bayliss
"And how can we GAY PN supporters come back into the party fold when our leader is rejecting us our basic rights in a free Maltese society"
Can you enlighten the readers what are the basic rights you are referring to in a free Maltese society being rejected by your leader?
Victor Pulis
Jun 8th 2011, 12:32
The party that loses the middle class loses the government.
Mr Charles Bayliss
Jun 8th 2011, 12:31
It is good that the party wants back the Liberal voters, but I must warn that only if there is a change of leadership will I ever vote again for PN. Sorry no resignations, no deal. We are not stupid.
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 17:20
@ Charles Bayliss
Who told you that if, again IF there is a change in leadership the principles of the party are going to be changed?
So it seem that your trouble is not your orientation but the leadership!!
Allan Gatt
Jun 8th 2011, 12:14
"The PN is synonymous with liberty, free choice, respect for human dignity and, above all, solidarity." Benny Hill music should be playing at this point.
Mr graham cassar
Jun 8th 2011, 12:03
It's already too late buddy.................the damage has been done....how can anyone trust the PN propaganda machine now??? You did not learn from the 60's, the days when the church and the PN were in bed together. Until the next episode and the PN will jump again in bed with the Church!
So please buddy learn from a famous Maltese proverb which states 'hmar taqtalu dembu hmar jibqa' and that’s what the PN is. Never will its change its true colour, never.
Mr Joseph Grima
Jun 8th 2011, 12:01
Here goes the PN again, hoodwinking people into beleiveing that the Giovernment wants to effect policies that the Givernment beleives in when, in fact, it will be all an essay in damage control piloted by the Party's own PR man. Thankyou Frank for highlighting the fact that your Governemnt is holding back on essential civil liberties, vital in ensuring a democratic Government and a democratic society. Thankyou for advising your government that " It can no longer hold back on these liberties". A stronger indictment of this dictatorial style of running a country is not even possible.
Mr Albert Farrugia
Jun 8th 2011, 12:01
"Winning back" implies that you have lost something. The Liberal appetite is now growing...l'appetito vien mangiando'..down the line, somewhere, there will also be the "a.... " word...it's inevitable. Those who believe in the tradional values of the PN should wake up and see what's going on...a fight for the take-over of the PN's soul by the liberal faction. What is needed now is a LIBERAL PARTY. Or else a CONSERVATIVE PARTY. This must be the first divorce now...the couple which has been in a marriage of convenience for 30 years at the Dar Centrali in Pieta have now quarrelled bitterly. Time for DIVORCE.
Mr carmel callus
Jun 8th 2011, 11:47
the problem is not liberal initiatives which have to be taken, but it is the way the party treats its supporters!
Mr Marcel Dingli
Jun 8th 2011, 11:38
What the Nationalist Party really needs is to go back to its origins, honour its past and be a real centre right party, verging on the far right conservative. We do not need this liberal crap. The PN won landslide victories in the past, before it betrayed its roots and moved to the left. Have we forgotten people like Guze Howard, Enrico Mizzi and Gorg Borg Olivier ??? It seems the PN has, so it has to stick in the dung it created for itself. Clear the dung , have a proper party, then PN you will be respected.
Philip Hili
Jun 8th 2011, 12:29
You are right Mr Dingli. These are the people that are harming the Nationalist Party. Stop talking non-sense Frank. You have just been born yesterday in politics. Politics is not acquired by spending a few years at the University and obtain a degree in politics!! That is amateurism.
None of the past leaders, late members of parliament etc. ever crossed their mind to make the Nationalist Party a Liberal Party.
If you are thinking on these lines, you either leave the party or inform the electorate that what was once the Nationalist Party now is becoming a Liberal Party and in order to be a liberal party "director urges party action to get liberal voters back"!!!
Ms Rudi Mcbeal
Jun 8th 2011, 12:41
Agree 100% with Mr Dingli - WE DO NOT NEED THIS LIBERAL CRAP. Modern Liberalism will only continue to ruin our society - our country, Mr Psaila, so no, thank you.
Stephen Grech
Jun 8th 2011, 12:45
Well said
Mr W Cassar
Jun 8th 2011, 15:30
liberal crap as you put it ...is the future, you are stuck in the dark ages mate.
Ms Rudi Mcbeal
Jun 8th 2011, 16:39
I'd personally rather be stuck in the dark ages than live in a depraved society, Mr W Cassar.
VV Bartolo
Jun 8th 2011, 11:37
cohabitation laws??
and where does yr conscience & RELIGION STAND HERE?? as for me COHABITATION IS FAR WORST THAN DIVORCE!!
Roberta Sciberras
Jun 8th 2011, 11:36
Oh! Does this mean promising everything to everybody? Sounds very familiar. As familiar as putting your ear to the ground and listening to the people's pulse. We've heard it all before!
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, three times, ad infinitum... shame on me!
Mr Tony Camilleri
Jun 8th 2011, 11:25
You will not get anyone back into the party folds.
How can you ever think that the people will forgive those who have given the people misery, destroyed their industries, made both parties work because they cannot keep up with expenses and taxes which are constantly increased, and to cap it all they are given a miserly €1.16 COLA when the Prime Minister and his Ministers are taking two salaries for the same job and a €1,000 COLA per week, €500 on each salary?
This has been stated many times and never denied.