I do believe in God, but…
If I were presenting a talk show and a member of the audience begins to express an opinion on a known scientific or geographical fact, I would certainly stop him/her from continuing further. I would not accept someone saying “They say that the world is round but my opinion is that it is flat” or “We were taught that two and two are four but my opinion…”
Similarly, I would also interrupt anyone who starts saying “I do believe in God, but…” because the proclamation “I believe” means I accept all the truths about God revealed to us, even though there may be some of these truths that I cannot understand fully (mysteries).
“… in God” means the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the Almighty; Creator of heaven and earth; God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Three Persons in one God; God the Father revealed to us through the prophets in the Holy Scriptures; the Son, Jesus Christ, who came on earth to redeem and save us; the same son who was born of the Virgin Mary, died for us on the cross and rose again from the dead; the Holy Spirit, who fills people with His seven gifts and turns weak, illiterate and humble men into courageous apostles full of divine wisdom.
Our Lord Jesus Christ ordered the members of His Church to “go and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Those who believe and are baptised will be saved (heaven); those who do not believe will be condemned (hell). The sins of those you forgive on this earth will be forgiven in heaven; the sins of those you do not forgive on this earth will not be forgiven in heaven”.
So the statement “I believe” includes the acceptance of Christ’s teachings and of the Catholic Church as the only authority to interpret these teachings.
One day, when Jesus Christ was preaching, He said: “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.” Many disciples could not take this teaching and left Him. So Jesus turned to his apostles and said: “Do you also want to go?” And Peter replied: “To whom do you want us to go, Lord? You have the words of eternal life”. Although the apostles could not understand what this statement meant, they had the patience to wait for the Last Supper, where Jesus Christ showed them the manner in which He was to become our spiritual sustenance and eternal salvation.
There is no compromise in Christ’s teachings. The same applies when Peter tried to interfere with the will of the eternal Father that Christ had to suffer and die on the cross. Here, Christ chides Peter for letting sentiment cloud his judgement. Peter is called Satan for tempting Jesus to stay away from Jerusalem and the crucifixion.
In the same way, there cannot be any compromise with any of the articles in the Creed which we pronounce every Sunday during Holy Mass.
So, if anyone says to me: “I believe in God but not in the Catholic Church or the virginity of Our Lady or Jesus Christ, etc,” I will reply: “You may be sincere in your statement but I am afraid you are wrong. You either believe in a god other than the one outlined above or else you do not understand what the word ‘believe’ fully entails. If you wish to remain a committed Christian, you are invited to rediscover the richness of the Christian faith, some aspects of which you might have forgotten. If you truly believe in God, then you have to believe in heaven, hell, the Catholic Church, the virginity of Our Lady, Holy Communion, confession to a priest and, in short, all the other articles of the Creed.”
“I believe” is a package. One cannot pick and choose at random from this package (what some are now referring to as the supermarket syndrome), accepting what I like and discarding what does not tickle my fancy. One either accepts the whole package or none at all.
“But am I not supposed to follow my conscience,” some might rightly ask. Rather than expressing my ideas I would like to offer those of an expert in the field – Richard M. Gula – who, in his book Moral Discernment, states among other things:
“If we are going to grow in our loving relationship with God and neighbour then we need to discern what is truly loving. Conscience is our capacity for making such discernment.”
We must not confuse conscience with the superego. The superego is like a recording in our heads reminding us of all that we should do in the process of growing up under the influence of authority figures. It commands us to act for the sake of gaining approval or out of fear of losing love. The wants of conscience look to personalised and internalised values or acquired virtues.
Conscience responds to an invitation of love and is oriented towards the future – “the person one ought to become”. In the depths of his conscience, man detects a law which he does not impose upon himself but which holds him to obedience. Man has in his heart a law written by God. In fact, conscience is the place where God speaks to us.
However, the obligation to follow conscience presupposes that we have properly formed our conscience. This is a lifelong task and an ongoing process of conversion. We are often blinded by sin to recognise moral truth all by ourselves. So we have to consult the established sources of wisdom. For a Catholic, these sources include our own experience and those of others around us; the testimony of the sacred scriptures and our creeds; the moral instruction of the teaching office (magisterium) of the Pope and the bishops: this office carries a weight of truth for Catholics that no other teacher can rightfully claim; and the informed judgement of theologians who are in communion with the Church’s magisterium.
What we do ultimately shapes our character.
The author is a qualified spiritual guide with the Centre for Ignatian Spirituality, Mount St Joseph, Mosta.
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Bud Moureaux - Flanders (BE) & Xemxija, SPB (MT)
May 25th 2011, 21:50
Reading this article, once again strengthens my point of view.
Our lifelong task as Christians is by no means to be blinded by an outdated process of conversion, but rather to show compassion to non-Christians.
Christians should not be blinded by an outdated process of conversion. This is a favourite passe-temps for an American ambassador who returned home in the meantime; mission still in progress. Catholics should rather show compassion to others, be they Catholics or not. Divorce legislation is a civil matter. Therefore, voting YES means that others - non-Catholics - should have the right to use this possibility ... if they so wish. Catholic couples don't need to resort to it, but as a citizen you should leave others free not to be Catholic as long as they do not harm others.
For over 2 years, I have been closely following the ongoing divorce debate in Malta in all possible media and through contacts with Maltese friends and relatives.
Divorce in most cases is not at all an easy way out but a realistic way to end the suffering of a marriage broken down beyond repair, both for the spouses and their children.
Therefore the only sensible and courageous choice for Malta to make is:
(1) To introduce a well balanced civil divorce legislation, respecting the rights and interests of all parties concerned, the spouses and their children.
... and at a later stage ...
(2) To separate State and Church, i.e. abolish Art.2 of the Constitution.
This is already 50 years overdue. An untenable situation will then finally cease to persist. In this way, Malta will become a real secular society where Maltese effectively can decide for themselves without fearing to be bullied by Mgr. XYZ or Mr JZ and consorts. The Church in Malta should restrict its role to its teaching and advice to its own flock, i.e. Catholics, but refrain by all means from scaremongering and dictating what others should or shouldn't do. Divorce is strictly speaking a civil matter and by no means a religious matter. Catholic couples don't really need divorce. It's their right to choose whether to resort to it or not. They can either opt for separation or annulment. Alternatively they can of course also stay 'happily' married in their broken-down, loveless and empty marriage, with all the negative consequences this will entail for both the spouses themselves and for their children.
I would like to share with all of you and with the anti-divorce movement in particular, the following quote from the renowned British philosopher, logician, essayist and social critic.
"If there were in the world today any large number of people who desired their own happiness more than they desired the unhappiness of others, we could have paradise in a few years."
And finally I would add that, if the spouses in a marriage are convinced that he or she is no more loved by the other partner, life's greatest happiness itself will have vanished. Without TLC - Tenderness, Love and Care - a marriage will gradually fade, become non-existent and die in silence.
So, Saturday 28th, the only right choice is IVA - YES, for the benefit of those who have been less fortunate in their life than others! For them AND for Malta your YES vote will make the difference. YES, you can!
Mr A. Bezzina
May 25th 2011, 17:37
Thanks for the religion lesson BUT I cannot accept your statements especially the following - "If you truly believe in God, then you have to believe in heaven, hell, the Catholic Church, the virginity of Our Lady, Holy Communion, confession to a priest and, in short, all the other articles of the Creed". Before making such an assumption think this - Does the church always practice what it's preaching? And if it is, are its teachings in line with what Jesus tried to teach/imply back then? With the its current demeanour I have to say that Church isn't doing quite a good job at the moment and is losing a considerable amount of credibility by the day! To cut a long story short - I accept faith and religion but I'd rather use my head whilst I'm living on this far-from-ideal-world!
Albert Mifsud
May 25th 2011, 00:08
What claptrap. This guy is equating the reality of the world being round - absolutely incontrovertible, with the reality of the existence of god - there is no evidence for the existence of this entity, though Im accept that this might exisit. To then extrapolate even further and state as an obvious truth that the true God is the Catholic one ... well, shows how close minded some people are. What about the gods of other current and past civilisations. Maybe, if there is a god (I really don't know) he/she/it is most unlikely on statistical grounds alone to be the one that is recognised by today's catholics (paragraph 5).
This nonsense sometimes makes me ashamed to have been educated by Jesuits. Their moral education was second to none. When it comes to blind faith...well, that's anoter matter.
Gerry Cowie
May 24th 2011, 20:10
How unsurprising! The secular and humanist brigade are at work below! At least they recognise words such as God, whether or not they like them or believe in such words.
What they do show is that the pro movement has seriously underestimated the strength of feeling of the absolutely undeniable Catholic population of the Maltese Islands.
Nobody ever built a strong case on sarcasm, anti-church propoganda, disingenuous comments, carefully selected statistics to try to prove their points etc etc etc!
This is the reason why the anti movement will win the debate. The pro movement has made itself their best tool to date! Well done to them! But if they continue to treat the Church and its members in this manner they will only have themselves to blame when the result is a resounding "NO!"
The voting population of the Maltese islands will not be intimidated by anybody and will vote according to their own consciences! Whoever wins, everybody must accept the result.
Mr Michael Debono
May 24th 2011, 19:46
That is why Bishop Mario Grech is being called to explain clearly why those who vote Yes at the referendum ought not to receive Holy Communion. In other words it appears that the Bishop hesitated to call things by their proper name. the question is: Why the fear of using the right words, that is calling things with their name.
Remember that if one is in a state that he cannot receive Holy Communion, only confession and mending matters could give him back the right to receive Holy Communion. He should also comment on this point and how could one repair any damage. In a couple of words Bishop Grech is condemning those who vote Yes to eternal damnation without any chance of being reprieved. The importance of these remarks cannot be ignored or sidetracked.
Mr Giov DeMartino
May 24th 2011, 17:42
It wouldn't be difficult for the University of Malta to find professors of theology!
Mr renald williams
May 24th 2011, 17:37
For a Christian, Jesus is the authority needed…
A Christian should never judge spiritually any person or any religion…
For a Christian, Jesus does not change… Churches and Christians do change…
Read the Gospels … free Gospels posted by sending sms 79280325 …
According to Pope Pius 4 (Profession of the Tridentine Faith Article 3)
and Council of Trent (Session 4) one must always believe the so called Church Fathers...
The following all tought that Mary
did not remain a virgin after the birth of Jesus through the Holy Spirit
but she had a normal married sexual life with Joseph and had other children by Joseph
Iraneus of Lyons (140–202) Against Heresies
Tertullian (160–240) Against Marcion
Hegesippus Church History of Eusebius
The following all tought that the Eucharist
is only symbolical and not real flesh and blood.
Clement of Alexandria (150-216) The Instructor
Tertullian (160-240) On the Resurrection of the Flesh 37, Against Marcion
Theophilus of Antioch (2nd century) To Autolycus 3:4
Eusebio of Caesarea (263-340) Demonstratio Evangelica, On the Theology of the Church
Augustine Bishop of Hippo (353-340) Homilies on the Gospel according to John, City of God, On Christian Doctrine 3:16, Homilies on the Gospels Sermon 81
Minucius-Felix, The Octavius 30
Athenagoras, On the Resurrection of the Dead 8
The following all tought that the Confession
was only directly to God and not via a priest
Clement, Bishop of Rome (80-101) First Clement 52
Clement of Alexandria (150-216) The Instructor
John Chrysostom (347-407) Homily on the Psalm, De Paenitentia, De Incomprehensibili
Augustine Bishop of Hippo (353-430) Faith and Belief, Confessions
Socrates Scholasticus Penance
Roman Catholic Catechism (Paragraph 1447) writes that the
priestly confession was a new custom starting in 7th Century
The following all tought that the Baptism
was Immersion in water for Adults not sprinkling for infants
Justin Martyr (100-165) First Apology
Tertullian (160-240) On Baptism, A Treatise on the Soul
Gregory of Nazianzum, Bishop of Costantinople (329-389) Orations
Even the following were baptized by immersion as adults
John Chrysostom (347-407)
Augustine Bishop of Hippo (353-430)
Roman Catholic Catechism (Paragraphs 232, 537, 628, 1214) writes that the Baptism
is for persons who can reply and talk about their faith and be totally immersed in water
Mr K.M Edwards
May 24th 2011, 23:58
@ Mr Renald Williams
Oh dear, you really do need some new reading glasses, my friend.
You managed to twist canonized Catholic saints and Doctors of the Church, St Augustine no less, as well as ... the very Catholic Catechism itself into denying Catholic dogma. Wow! I don't think the Catholic Church would survive denying its own doctrine in its own Catechism.
To take you to task on just one of your comments that paragraph 1447 of the Catholic Catechism claims that in the first centuries confession was "directly to God and not to the priest", let us quote that paragraph for you:
"1447 Over the centuries the concrete form in which the Church has exercised this power received from the Lord has varied considerably. During the first centuries the reconciliation of Christians who had committed particularly grave sins after their Baptism (for example, idolatry, murder, or adultery) was tied to a very rigorous discipline, according to which penitents had to do public penance for their sins, often for years, before receiving reconciliation. To this "order of penitents" (which concerned only certain grave sins), one was only rarely admitted and in certain regions only once in a lifetime. During the seventh century Irish missionaries, inspired by the Eastern monastic tradition, took to continental Europe the "private" practice of penance, which does not require public and prolonged completion of penitential works before reconciliation with the Church. From that time on, the sacrament has been performed in secret between penitent and priest..."
Okay, so, in the seventh century the Church *RELAXED* its strict discipline of forcing sinners into public penance BEFORE they went to confession (reconciliation) towards the end of their lives, to allow penitents more PRIVACY and more FREQUENT opportunities of confession.
Where you miss the point friend is that the sacrament of reconciliation/confession which involved absolution from a priest was there from day one. Christ gave his apostles that power when He declared "Those who sins you forgive, they are forgiven, those whose sins you do not forgive, they are not forgiven" John 20:23.
The rest of your rant falls apart on your lack of comprehension.
You are clearly a protestant reading what you want into the writings of the Church Fathers, and even of the Catholic Catechism itself. I was there, protestantism and all. The fact is that you need to read the Catholic Catechism as it is intended to be read, and likewise for the Fathers. Juxtaposing your protestant beliefs into those writings is simply not honest.
Mr Jason Fenech
May 24th 2011, 16:17
You may well be a spiritual guide but your message here is divisive and misguided at best, unless of course you happen to be a dyed in the wool Catholic. I would also refrain from using the term superego considering that you're outnumbered by roughly 5.5 billion people of different faiths or none at all.
Wenzu Vella
May 24th 2011, 15:55
Mr Tagliaferro, when I was a little boy I was thought that only those who were baptised in the Catholic Church would go to heaven. When I reached an age that I could think for myself I started to realise that what I was thought was very much further than the truth, because surprise, surprise it was very similar to what you just wasted a lot of time and effort in this article of yours.
If the Catholic Church really believes in the teaching of Christ the first thing they have to do is to forgo their earthly riches, live a life of charity and be truthful to their followers. But alas we see the contrary of this, the hierarchy of the church living in absolute luxury well beyond what us mere mortals could ever even dream of. Just a few days ago Pope Benedict visited Venice and the gondola he was riding on was decorated in such a way befitting some great Pharaoh doing the round of his kingdom on the river Nile.
Peter Xuereb
May 24th 2011, 14:56
You are aware that the words of God were so interpreted in different ways that they have been divided between Judaism, Christianity and Islam and the countless divisions of each?
Saying that Roman Catholicism is the ultimate truth is not only very arrogant and inconsiderate but in fact in its own way rejects certain realities. Hence why the Catholic Church in Malta is again on the wrong side of history.
Ms C. Dimech
May 24th 2011, 15:44
let us not forget the erroneous interpretations of the word by the Roman Catholic Church itself, or should we believe that the Crusades, the Inquisition, l'interdett to name a few where all justifiable and right????
Mr Christopher Xuereb
May 24th 2011, 13:23
What trite nonsense. Has the author not heard of Islam? Do they not believe in God but reject the idea that Jesus was the son of God? And who is he to say that believers either accept the whole package or none at all? Did God whisper something in his ear about the subject? So Catholics who, for instance, have doubts about whether Christ was, in fact, born of a virgin are no longer worthy of being considered as such?
I believe in the evolution of a herd of winged pigs that inhabit a remote corner of the Amazon and take to the air at night. They have never been seen and many are the evolutionary biologists who have explained that a pig’s skeletal structure is inadequate to support the muscle bulk necessary to power flight. What I believe flies in the face of what we know to be true of the physical world but I have faith.
Neil Lennon
May 24th 2011, 13:22
You fell down with the bit; If I were presenting a talk show and a member of the audience begins to express an opinion on a known scientific or geographical fact, I would certainly stop him/her from continuing further.
Is it not a scientific fact that the world evolved and was not made by God? Is it not a scientific fact that we as a species evolved from fish? How does that stand in the 'God made the earth in 7 days and 7 nights.'?
Patrick Mulholland
May 24th 2011, 21:10
"Is it not a scientific fact that the world evolved and was not made by God?" - No, it's called a theory that has never been and cannot be proven. The evidence is interpreted in a different way.
"Is it not a scientific fact that we as a species evolved from fish?" - Again no, it's a theory.
"How does that stand in the 'God made the earth in 7 days and 7 nights?" - I'd rather trust in God who's word holds on forever than man's who changes his mind every minute!
Good scientists will admit that the theory of evolution has many errors and cannot stand.
Mr Alton Costa
May 24th 2011, 13:15
My invitation to all those who read this article is to go and read the Bible with an open heart asking God to reveal all the truth by the power of the Holy Spirit, the only one who is truly qualified to interpret the Bible the right way, as He was its author from beginning to end. Only this way you can truly know what is God 's true will for humanity.
Claiming that the Roman Catholic Church is the only authority to have the right to interpret the scriptures? It is a known fact through out the Christian Church History that no one deviated from the truth more than the Roman Catholic Church, reaching its most distant point when it claimed indulgences (money and possessions) from people to go to heaven (seems like a similar technique is being used to manipulate people in the divorce issue). Surely a far cry from Jesus' teachings, let us remember that HE was the one who paid the price through His death and shedding of blood for all those who believe in Him will have eternal life.
The Bible is and should be the only Authority, God's intention was for everyone to understand it and if someone tells you it is difficult to understand, it is not the truth and is only meant to discourage you. On the other hand it will be time well invested as you would know God's eternal purpose for you.
So my invitation is to go to the source, start reading it, asking God for guidance and the truth will set you free.
Victor Rodenas
May 24th 2011, 15:04
It is a fact that Christians could not even read the Bible some years ago.It was only in the last few decades that the Bible was translated in Maltese.The man who did the translation was Mons. Saydon and he did not have any help from the Church.It took him more than 20 yrs. to translate from the Aramaic and Greek and he had to pay for all the expences from his own pockets.Shame. They (Curia) beleive in God but they did not want the translation of the Bible in Maltese at a time when money was pouring in their coffers in huge amounts.Any apologists ?
Jason Borg
May 24th 2011, 21:23
Mr. Rodenas - now that the Bible is available in Maltese, how many times do you read from this book? Because it would be a shame if you keep digging in the past and ignore the opportunities of the present.
Ms Lynn Zahra
May 24th 2011, 13:12
Your'e just afraid that people will vote on the introduction of the option of divorce according to their conscience. And that just won't do , will it?
Mr Tony Borg
May 24th 2011, 12:37
According to your " I believe" package you have condemned me to hell. I always tried to live a decent life, however I cannot accept 'black' or 'white' only. I BELIEVE there is also many shades of grey in between the 'black' and 'white'. I truly pity you.
Mr Joseph Brincat
May 24th 2011, 13:19
I strongly believe in the Universal Roman Catholic church as instituted by Jesus Christ our Saviour.
BUT I do not believe in the local church which has caused so much pain to many families (including mine) in the 60's and which this divorce referendum has shown that it is still as intolerance as it was then (and this despite the successive apologies by the bishops which came after Gonzi).
Besides, look are our churches cast in gold and silver. Do they symbolise what Jesus preached?
(jb)
Philip Bonello
May 24th 2011, 12:29
Dear Edward,
While I agree with most of what you say, I would like to point out that it would have been more relevant if all the people of Malta were Roman Catholics, which they are not. While there is but one God it is a known fact that not everyone believes in Jesus Christ. The last church census showed that less than 50% of the Maltese people are church goers. Nowadays people of other religions are on the increase and the "over-the-top" blitz of the Maltese church with regards to the Divorce issue must have lost us a few other sheep too. While the church asks us to be of good faith the same church does not seem to have much faith in its own faithful otherwise why the fracas. All the church had to say was that those who are true Catholics and who wed in church were married for life and the rest could do as they please. "What God has joined together, let no man pull asunder"; is a statement that is much quoted but does any body ask about that which is joined by Man.
You can't keep your faithful by tying them to the pulpit. You keep them by conviction.
Mr Kevin Cassar
May 24th 2011, 12:21
It's not that they say that the world is round - it's that we can arrive to that truth by doing mathematial calculations as well as visual observations. It's also not that we learnt that two plus two equals four - it's that two is the value we attribute to two instances of a single unit, and thereby we can all arrive to the correct answer. Sorry to burst your bubble, but we accept these as truth because we can test them ourselves and always come up with the same result. Please write again when you can do the sam with your "God" argument.
Mr William Flynn
May 24th 2011, 11:52
This could be a nice sermon. I wouldn't know, I never got past the second paragraph and just picked up the words Catholic, god, Abraham, our lady, communion and a few others which only belong in a sermon.
I did get a laugh however when I read the comparison of a scientific or mathematical fact to a Catholic dogma in relation to the existence of god.
Mr Raphael Vassallo
May 24th 2011, 11:08
"If I were presenting a talk show and a member of the audience begins to express an opinion on a known scientific or geographical fact, I would certainly stop him/her from continuing further"
Well, here's one potential viewer who would instantly change channel...
Ramon Casha
May 24th 2011, 10:50
"the proclamation “I believe” means I accept all the truths about God revealed to us"
Who is "us"? The American preacher who informed us that the world ended last Saturday? Anġelik whose statue seeps cooking oil?
"So the statement “I believe” includes the acceptance of Christ’s teachings and of the Catholic Church as the only authority to interpret these teachings."
So you're saying that Protestants, Orthodox and all the others who also profess to follow Christ don't really believe, or that they're secretly Catholic? What about the Muslims who also believe?
"One either accepts the whole package or none at all."
So you agree that slavery and genocide are both acceptable? Both are in the Bible.
Mr renald williams
May 24th 2011, 10:44
According to Pope Pius 4 (Profession of the Tridentine Faith Article 3)
and Council of Trent (session 4) one must always obey the so called Church Fathers.
The following Church Fathers all tought that the Baptism
was Immersion in water for Adults not sprinkling for infants
Justin Martyr (100-165) First Apology
Tertullian (160-240) On Baptism, A Treatise on the Soul
Gregory of Nazianzum, Bishop of Costantinople (329-389) Orations
Even the following Church Fathers were baptized by immersion as adults
John Chrysostom (347-407)
Augustine Bishop of Hippo (353-430)
Catholic Catechism Paragraphs 232, 537, 628, 1214 write that the Baptism
is for persons who can reply and talk about their faith and be totally immersed in water
Victor Rodenas
May 24th 2011, 10:33
Views of how God wants us to be change from time to time.God accepts us as we are now.God accepted our father Abraham to have sex with his maid,God accepted the many wives of King David even when he looked at Bethsheba and he sent her husband to battle and to be put in the front row so that he will get killed and David will take his wife.God accepted Christians to massacre other people in His name,God accepted Christians to have slaves,God accepted Piracy (during the Knights period)the Church took its 10 per cent too from the looting and a priest or monk used to go with them aboard so the Christian pirates could `hear Mass and have confessions`. So you see,God accepts us as we are with our customs etc,....then centuries later it is realised that it was wrong and it continues on and on.Apolegetically we are told,.....`we cannot judge what other people did before with to-days reasoning...God accepts us as we are.........
Mr renald williams
May 24th 2011, 10:22
According to Pope Pius 4 (Profession of the Tridentine Faith Article 3)
and Council of Trent (session 4) one must always obey the so called Church Fathers.
The following Church Fathers all tought that the Confession
was only directly to God and not via a priest
Clement, Bishop of Rome 80-101 (First Clement 52)
Clement of Alexandria 150-216 (The Instructor)
John Chrysostom 347-407 (Homily on the Psalm, De Paenitentia, De Incomprehensibili)
Augustine Bishop of Hippo 353-430 (Faith and Belief, Confessions)
Socrates Scholasticus (Penance)
Catholic Catechism Paragraph 1447 writes that the
priestly confession was a new custom starting in 7th Century
Mr renald williams
May 24th 2011, 10:04
According to Pope Pius 4 (Profession of the Tridentine Faith Article 3)
and Council of Trent (session 4) one must always obey the so called Church Fathers.
The following Church Fathers all tought that the Eucharist
is only symbolical and not real flesh and blood.
Clement of Alexandria 150-216 (Instructor)
Tertullian 160-240 (On the Resurrection of the Flesh 37, Against Marcion)
Theophilus of Antioch 2nd century (To Autolycus 3:4)
Eusebio of Caesarea 263-340 (Demonstratio Evangelica, On the Theology of the Church)
Augustine of Hippo 353-340 Homilies on the Gospel according to John, City of God, On
Christian Doctrine 3:16, Homilies on the Gospels Sermon 81
Minucius-Felix, The Octavius 30
Athenagoras, On the Resurrection of the Dead 8
Peace and health
Mr Carmel Garcia
May 24th 2011, 09:49
Prosit, Mr Edward Tagliaferro, this I believe it all and practice by beliefs. I believe in God, Jesus Christ,The Holy Spirit, The Virgin Mother of Jesus, Mary, and the Catholic Church with all it's teachings. Prosit again for this writing.
Christian Sciberras
May 24th 2011, 09:22
Wait, since when there's only one god (the Catholic one in this case)?
What about Jews, Islam, Hinduism?
How can one argue there's one package when this package is the most controversial and subjective one in the history of mankind?
What is your argument that your god is any more real than anyone else's?