Gay healing claims ‘worrying’

Mr Joe Xuereb

May 15th 2011, 12:48

@ Pierre Portelli (nice name!) and by default, very tort-uous (fault), Victor Pulis - where people thumb their holey books is none of my business. In private they can do with/to the bible whatever floats their boat (-now there's an issue worth discussing!). What they do to the bible on the pavement, likewise. Except that, if in quoting outdated old testament lethal mumblings they offend and rubbish my (and yours too incidentally) sensibilities then that I will not allow. You could be grateful that I am speaking up for you (about issues that have nothing to do with homosexuality, obviously. Your rampant heterosexuality being so unshakeable but that's your problem not mine). And then you speak up for Evolution Pierre. I think there is a bit of confusion there my friend. Either that or you don't always understand what you read, not really. It does happen. Or you don't understand/care what happens to young's people's natural progression (evolution, remember!) when their development is tampered with. By people who are dealing with their demons at the expense of the vulnerable. Get your head round that one Pierre. Please do not respond. Don't waste my time.
Of course I make no apologies for a wordy comment. If you find it difficult to ingest Pierre, read more slowly and do yourself a favour, digest. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to 'wave my bible' in public - I grab any opportunity to show the up-and-coming homosexuals and other marginalised people that one does not have to cower in silence so that the ignorant can feel smug. People can walk on by if they don't like what they hear/read/see. Problem is people don't easily accept differentness in other people. They want to change them to feel comfortable and pave their way to heaven. I know this because it says so in the bible. Evolutionists won't see much of heaven I'm afraid, not if they refute creationism.
Sur Portelli, maybe you were merely trying to project yourself as a modern liberal, a 'live-and-let-live' type of creature. In which case I make no apologies. You will have to try harder to convince.

Mr Pierre Portelli

May 15th 2011, 04:27

How has this pastor incited hatred in any way? He and others like him have every right to believe whatever they want to. Have we become such an intolerant society that anyone who does not toe the "official" line is reviled, insulted and the gathering place of his congregation threatened with pickets, demos etc?
Malta has become indeed a sad place, a place where a bible believer cannot state his beliefs in public. What next a court fine or a prison sentence for doubting or refuting evolution?

Mr Joe Xuereb

May 14th 2011, 23:29

I looked at Mr. Manche`s website yesterday and there's a gallery showing conversions/baptisms in the sea (in Malta). A more unlikely group of people - all in wet white T-shirts all pointy nipples - I couldn't have imagined. And then I thought, the Maltese are feeling a bit at sea at the moment (pub intended), not knowing where to turn, insecure, stressed, much conflict of thought and opinions. Under these circumstances some might struggle and fight on; others succumb to the first dictator that comes along. They are ripe for indoctrination. Suddenly they have a leader, they feel they belong to something worthwhile. And they are prepared to cough up hard-earned cash to maintain this sense of security in numbers. Two questions.
Mr. Manche` collects money. What is this money used for. Pin-striped suits and stylish shoes a` l'amerikan? What happends when the whole setup goes pear-shaped - as it surely must - what will happend to the people who suddenly feel at sea yet again? I know it won't but I think the Government should make its position known on these matters. Of course Manche` would not admit he is stirring up hatred towards homosexuals - he is doing something far worse. He is telling homosexuals themselves that they are worthless and that they could change their lives around.
The problem with Churches/Religions condemning 'the sinful ways of homosexuality, hate the sin but love the sinner blah blah blah'. Mildly enough put one might say. But wait a minute! A dyed-in-the-wool homophobe and violent with it may NOT be religious but, because it suits his/her homophobic agenda at any given time, it is then that he feels at one with the Church, thinking/saying, 'why, even the Church condemns them'. This is the way I see it because this is the way I've experienced it - so it is how it is. The church has a lot to answer for. Never mind half-baked evangelisations which certainly have no place in Malta, of all places.

Mr Anthony Girard

May 14th 2011, 12:37

Thank you Drachma. Once again, Pastor Manche speaks of homosexuality as immoral and needs Divine healing; and once again I say to him that homosexuality is neither immoral or a psychological defect. Gay persons need neither spiritual nor medical or psychiatric healing.
The Almighty created them in His own image and perfection and who is Pastor Manche or anybody else for that matter to criticise God's handiwork.

Mr J Galea

May 14th 2011, 11:35

Jien bhala ateju nissugerixxi lil din l-ghaqda Drachma u ohrajn bhalhom li biex jighxu hajja ahjar u aktar kwieta w felici ,iridu li ma jibqughx jirrikonoxxu lil ebda religjon specjalment lil din kristjana.Sakemm jibqghu jhaddnu xi tip ta religjon jew ohra ma huma ser isibu ebda serhan lanqas f,miljun sena.Nixtieq nikwota parti mil-bibbja dwar x'hemm miktub rigward homosexuals.

(Lev:20:1) Il-Mulej kellem lil Mosè u qallu
(Lev:20:13)Meta ragel jimtedd ma' ragel bhalma jimtedd ma' mara, it-tnejn ikunu ghamlu haga moqżieża: jaghtuhom il-mewt; demmhom fuqhom.

Ghalkemm dan alla (li ghalija illum ma kien alla xejn imma illuzjonijiet u invenzjonijiet mill bniedem stess) jordna il-qtil ta dawn l-individwi ,dan xorta ma jistax isehh grazzi ghal-ligijiet emendati u indipendenti mir-religjon tal-pajjizi kkoncernati.Nista nimmagina kemm il-qtil makabru sar fuq dawn in-nies tul dawk iz-zminijiet f'isem alla u ir-religjon.

Jien ma ghandi xejn kontra kull min jemmen b'xi religjon jew ohra ,anzi nazzarda nighid li jien kont wiehed min dawk li xi darba haddant ir-religjon kristjana ghal aktar min 40 sena.

It is said that men may not be the dreams of the gods, but rather that the gods are the dreams of men.
:Carl Sagan

Mr Robert Callus

May 14th 2011, 09:34

The effects of such insanity can lead to extremely serious consequences. In Uganda, a genocide of gays is pending:

http://robertcallus.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/do-they-really-eat-the-poo-poo/