Catholics set up group for divorce as civil right

Mr Saliba Francis

May 14th 2011, 18:09

@Ms S Micallef.

" ..... I guess you and my(?me) are following two very different religions". (Ms S Micallef)

I tend to agree with you. My Christianity is the original version, preached by Christ and recorded in the NT scripture. Yours is an ersatz, made to measure, expedient version. I would not dream to modernize mine so let us agree to disagree. People like you are constantly in my prayers.

Mr Joe Gatt

May 14th 2011, 15:07

Well done Mr Hili. Wishing your group all the success that you deserves, as it makes much more sence from that which has been dished out so far, from the so called Christian Antis.

Mr Paul Licari

May 14th 2011, 11:36

If these persons are practicing Catholics they should adhere to the Gospel and follow Christ’s teaching.

Ms Rosalind Borg

May 14th 2011, 11:06

Personally I find this very worrying coming from people who say they are Catholics. Following Christ should be a free and personal choice. People who do not want to be follow Christ are free to do so but if someone decides to follow Him then Christ's teachings are not a pick and mix menu.

It means following Him even when the road is bumpy and painful. Jesus never promised life would be easy "And he said to all, "If anyone would come after me, let him... take up his cross daily and follow me. " Luke 9:23

What he did promise was that he would not abandon us even in the midst of suffering ""your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.” Deuteronomy 31:6 ''and And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20

Real faith illuminates every aspect of our life not just compartments of it

Mr M Borg

May 13th 2011, 23:45

At 17.03 I wrote that what Mr Hili said made no sense and that the name of the movemnet made no sense either.

I have just heard one of this group speak on Bundi 's programme. The saying " empty .....................make most sound " fits him like a glove.

Why on earth did they form this group, when all they can say is rubbish.?

Mr Saliba Francis

May 13th 2011, 21:31

@Mr M Vella

I agree that that trying to dialogue with you is "like talking to a brick wall".

The E.D.H.R declaration that "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life .... " cannot be distorted into a non-existent right to divorce.

In any case, even if the EDHR actually mentioned divorce (which it does not) a civic right in any country would only come into existence after the local judicature passed the enabling legislation.So the pretence that divorce as a "civic right" in Malta suffers from a double whammy.

I said that before but, as you wisely wrote, it is like talking to a brick wall.

Mr Saliba Francis

May 13th 2011, 20:44

@Ms S Micallef. (13 May 2011 at 15.11 hrs)

It is not I who is being judgmental. I have never judged whether any person is a “true Catholic” or not. You did that just now, referring to me in person. I only express my opinion about what distinguishes a genuine observant Catholic from sham “a la carte” Catholics who pick and choose what to accept and what to reject from Christ’s authentic message. Everyone is at liberty to choose which hat to put on. I do not presume to decide on anyone’s behalf!

YOU are being definitely judgmental when you write “ …. you are not a true Catholic …” You are doubly at fault when you accuse me falsely of “ …. constantly accus(ing) others of sinning … “ I have never accused anyone of sinning. What I wrote is that some particular “wrong” deed, in certain circumstances, would be sinful, specifically when that “wrong” is done as a careless or as a deliberate and conscious affront to the teaching of Christ.

Mr M Vella***

May 13th 2011, 19:55

@Mr Saliba Francis,Mr M Borg.This is like talking to a brick wall. Don't think that i'm trying to avoid your reply but it is clear that article 8 is referring to a right to family life - so when I have the right for divorce I have the right to a family life - it's as simple as that. Meta bniedem jibqa poggut m'huwiex meqjus li qieghed fil-kuntest ta' familja.

Mr M Borg

May 13th 2011, 19:32

@ M Vella ***

Two of us took on your wish for us to read Art 8.

We are still waiting for your reaction.

Have you at last realised that divorce is NOT a civil right ?

Well better late than never. !

Mr Joe Zammit

May 13th 2011, 19:25

Catholics for divorce are false Catholics.

Catholics for divorce are betraying Christ.

Catholics for divorce are pleasing the devil.

Catholic for divorce are living in sin and are on the path to hell.

Join in the battle between God and the devil! Fight the good fight! The victory is ours, it’s already guaranteed!

Mr Saliba Francis

May 13th 2011, 19:05

Since when has it become "cruel" to obey Christ's message of love towards God and neighbour?
Obeying Christ's command not to pull asunder what God joined together is not cruelty to anybody - it is an inconvenience to the sinner and to his/her accomplices in immorality if not also in crime.

Mr Alex Buds

May 13th 2011, 18:33

Voting no against the introduction of divorce is an act of unspeakable cruelty towards people in unhappy irreparable marriages.

The last time I checked cruelty was a mortal sin.

So if you're a true Catholic, think carefully about what you do here. I don't think God would be too happy with mindless droids who ignore the plight of people suffering.

Mr Saliba Francis

May 13th 2011, 18:31

Article 8 – Right to respect for private and family life.

1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others..


@Mr M Vella.

Trying to cheat, are you? Doesn't work with me!

The above is the relevant Article 8 from the European Declaration of Human Rights - it does not mention divorce at all. Even supposing that the E.D.H.R. had mentioned divorce (which it does not) divorce would not become a civil right in Malta until the local judicature enacts enabling legislation.

You may believe that if that mud is thrown often enough some of it is bound to stick. Not with me, it doesn't. Repeating the lie that divorce is a civil right in Malta a thousand times does not convert that lie into one single true statement. It remains a thousand lies.

Ms Ellison Galea

May 13th 2011, 18:16

Kattolici sbieh fejn jaqblilna biss imma!! mela id divorzju imur kontra ir religjon taghna u kulhadd ipingi lilu nnifsu nisrani li jobdi l kmandamenti u dak kollu li tghid il knisja u l bibbja u li ir ragel jew l mara taqliba lil zewga jew martu hemm hekk le.hemm hekk hadd mhu nisrani,kulhadd irid l mahfra!! Hadd ma jiddejjaq jiksirom l kmandamenti hemmekk!! Keep this in mind,li kiku ma hawnx dan it tahwid kollhu madwarna hadd ma jkollu bzonnu id divorzju..Ahjar inharsu wahda madwarna l ewwel ax din l hajja ahna nnfusna ghamilnija hekk!!

Mr M Vella***

May 13th 2011, 17:24

@Mr Saliba Francis,You said,(Divorce is a civil right ... " (Mr M Vella)

'Prove it! I have already explained why it is NOT a civil right. Repeating that lie a thousand times remains a thousand lies without one single truth! '
Please Mr Saliba Francis,read art.8 of the european convention of human rights=The right of family life.
Regards.

Mr M Borg

May 13th 2011, 17:03

Mr Hili said he heard of " scaremongering " among religious groups whose members were told that voting for divorce was a mortal sin. His movement believed the only sin was cohabitation. "

Even the name chosen by this " new " movement makes no sense.

" Catholics : Yes because it's a right . "

Can they explain what they mean by saying " it's a right ? "

I was shocked when I read the heading , I thought were these things really happening in Malta ?

Could it be that someone stopped them from paracticing the Catholic faith and they are fighting for their right to follow the religion ?

When you go on to read what they said you realise that " Yes its a right " has nothing to do with religion, so why use the word Catholic

This new group proves that the name they go by is not the only thing that does not fit.

How can they say " Our group is made up of practising Catholics " and at the same time campaign in favour of divorce ?

Who are they to twist the words of Christ ? The church is aginst divorce and what this new group says will not change anything.

You can never say that you are a practising Catholic and vote yes for divorce. Why not come clean and say that you are Catholics in name only ?

Mr Hili said " His movement believed the only sin was cohabitation. "

Maybe Mr Hili does not understand the real meaning of the word " divorce "

For his information, and for others who think like him, divorce is " legilised cohabitation ". Nothing more, nothing less

If they agree that cohabitation is a sin then they must agree that divorce is a sin.

As for the last part of their movement's name " It's a right "

Divorce is no right. Something which breaks the backbone of society can never be a right.

Mr Joe Zammit

May 13th 2011, 16:21

The great majority of PL supporters are against divorce.

The great majority of PN supporters are against divorce.

The great majority of Maltese and Gozitans are against divorce.

All these majorities are positive people: in favour of the indissolubility of marriage.

Join in the battle between God and the devil! Fight the good fight! The victory is ours, it's already guaranteed!

Mr Joe Zammit

May 13th 2011, 16:21

Divorce is a step backward. Progressive people back the indissolubility of marriage.

Divorce is a negative step. Progressive people back the indissolubility of marriage.

Divorce is a big injustice. Progressive people back the indissolubility of marriage which is justice according to the word given in the celebration of marriage.

Divorce is to the detriment of all people. Progressive people back the indissolubility of marriage which good for one and all.

Join in the battle between God and the devil! Fight the good fight! The victory is ours, it's already guaranteed!

Mr Michael N Cassar

May 13th 2011, 14:20

To Whom it may concern, friend you have Two roads either Gods way(NO), or your way (YES)all you have to do is choose; and its nobody else business if you want to go to hell or heaven.

Mr Dr. Geoffrey Schembri Adami Med. Vet.

May 13th 2011, 13:25

We Catholics have been called, as Saint Paul reminds us, ‘to become another Christ, Christ Himself’. So, if you want to become like Christ, you must see things as He sees them, so that your thoughts, your views, your words become like those of Christ Himself. This applies to all Catholics without exception, especially those Catholics involved in public life, in politics. Even though many may expect them to put aside their beliefs and convictions in their public life, with the excuse that they should not impose these beliefs and convictions on everyone else, Catholics have to keep in mind their vocation as loyal disciples of Christ to become another Christ, Christ Himself, and therefore in every decision that has to be taken, they have to ask themselves: “If Christ was in my place, what would He do? What would be His position on this issue?” If their stand is not in line with the teachings of Christ and that of His Church, then surely Christ would not share their position, nor would He approve it.

I readily understand those words of Saint Augustine: 'God, who created you without you, will not save you without you'. Every single one of us, you and I as well, always has the possibility, the unfortunate possibility of rising up against Jesus, who redeemed each and every one of us with His most Precious Blood, of rejecting Him, by not following the Commandments and accepting His teachings, and tell Him: 'We do not want You to rule over us'. Many people will not accept that Christ should reign over them in their life. They oppose Him in thousands of ways: in their attitude toward their circumstances, in their approach to human society, in morality, in science and the arts. They reject Christ because that would involve accepting His law. And law they will not accept, not even the wonderful precept of charity, for they do not want to reach out to God's love. Their ambition is to serve their own selfishness and self-pride. And therefore they will neither accept Christ nor His Holy Church. So they expect the state to legalize what infringes God’s Commandments and greatly displeases Him, claiming that the state refuses them the civil right to do so, when the state does not have any right to try to make itself above God and His Commandments. Reject the deception of those who appease themselves with the pathetic cry of ‘Freedom! Freedom!’ Their cry often masks a tragic enslavement, because choices that prefer error and displease God immensely do not liberate. Freedom finds its true meaning when it is put in service of the truth which redeems, when it is spent seeking God’s infinite Love which liberates us from all forms of slavery. For even when God’s will seems painful and its demands wounding, it coincides perfectly with our freedom, which is only to be found in God and His plans. We must defend always the truth, without any sort of compromise, because the truth makes us free, while going against God’s will and infringing His Commandments enslaves.

I want to warn all Catholics of the temptation, so common in our times, to lead a kind of double life: on the one hand an inner life, a life related to God, and on the other, as something separate and distinct, their professional, social and family lives, made up of earthly realities. No! We cannot lead a double life! We cannot be like schizophrenics, if we want to be true Christians. There is only just one life, made of flesh and spirit. And it is this life which has to become, in both soul and body, holy and filled with God. This applies to all who wish to follow Christ, but especially to those politicians who profess themselves as Catholics. What they say, do and promote in society must be in conformity with their faith in the Teachings of Christ, and in accordance with God’s Commandments. If they do not do so, then they are leading a double life. They cannot preach in one way, and then live or do the opposite way. As Catholics faithful to Christ, we have to practise, or at least try to practise the values we preach. But if we do not do so, then we are only being a serious cause of scandal to others.

SAINT JOSEMARIA ESCRIVA DE BALAGUER (1902-75).

Mr Dr. Geoffrey Schembri Adami Med. Vet.

May 13th 2011, 13:23

A true, loyal, sincere and devout Catholic does not agree with divorce not only because the Catholic Church is against divorce, but because the teachings of Christ on the sanctity and indissolubility of marriage, as God established right from the beginning of creation and as He wills it, are extremely clear: “In the beginning, God created male and female. For this reason a man leaves his parents and unites with his wife, and the two become one body. So they are no longer two, but one. So then, what God then has joined, man must not separate.” (Matthew19:5-6) “A man who leaves his wife and takes another woman commits adultery. In the same way, if a woman leaves her husband and takes another man, she is guilty of adultery too.” (Mark10:12) “The man who takes a married woman whose husband is still alive commits adultery which she too is guilty of.” (Luke16:18). The Catholic Church defends the sanctity and indissolubility of marriage and is strongly against divorce for it cannot contradict the Divine Teachings of its Founder who is God Incarnate.

BLESSED POPE JOHN XXIII (1881-1963)

To dissent from the teachings of Christ and of His Church in any important matter of faith or morals, especially those related to God’s Commandments, such as with regards to the sanctity and indissolubility of marriage, as God wills it and has established right from the very beginning of creation, is to automatically separate oneself from Christ, to lose one’s communion with Him, and to violate, nullify and loose one’s Catholic identity. Whoever is in this situation cannot call himself a Catholic, nor consider himself as a disciple of Christ. Those who dissent from the teachings of Christ and of His Church on such fundamental issues, are choosing to serve their own pride, their own selfishness, their own lust, their own comfort, instead of loving and serving God by following His Commandments. These people think that they know as much as God, or even more than Him, so they do not need to follow the Divine Word of His Son and the teachings of His Church. That same self-pride that led to the fall of Adam and Eve, who wanted to become like God!

SAINT JOHN MARY VIANNEY (1786- 1859)

Mr Dr. Geoffrey Schembri Adami Med. Vet.

May 13th 2011, 13:21

He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters”. You are either with God, by following all His Commandments faithfully, unconditionally and coherently, but also by promoting and defending them without compromise, or else you are against Him by doing what displeases Him and is contrary to His Divine Will. Jesus said: “Say ‘yes’ when you mean yes, and ‘no’ if you mean no; anything more than this comes from the evil one.” You can either say ‘yes’ to Christ’s call to do His Will and follow all the Commandments and His Teachings always, without compromise and unconditionally, or else reply to this call with a ‘no’. Anything in between these two opposing choices does not exist for Christ. The middle way which involves compromise, and which many believers seek for, is an illusion, and as Christ explained, is Satan’s dangerous trap, for the evil one knows we are weak and fragile. It is up to you to choose between the two opposing choices, but then, one fine day, which you do not know when, you will have to render Him an account of your choice between the two options. Our Lord made it extremely clear: “Not whoever says: 'Lord! Lord! enters the kingdom of Heaven, but whoever does the Will of My Father in Heaven.” Jesus, who is “the Way, the Truth and the Life” for He is God-Incarnate, said to us: “He who loves Me follows My Commandments and abides by My Word. Those who do not follow My Commandments and do not keep My Word, do not Love Me.”

Keeping in mind these teachings of Christ on the sanctity and indissolubility of marriage, anyone who is in favour of introducing divorce in his country, especially those who promote its legislation, should not consider himself a Catholic, nor is he worthy of being Christ's disciple. And those politicians who strive to introduce divorce in their respective countries are allowing themselves to be used by Satan as his instruments to diffuse his evil among society, just like the enemy who sowed darnel all among the wheat that had been previously sowed in the field. They too, like Satan who rebelled against God and refused to serve Him, become enemies of God. For “no one can serve two masters; he will either hate the first and love the second, or treat the first with respect and the second with scorn.” No politician has the right to introduce in the legislation of his country any law that goes against God’s Law. May God have mercy on politicians who do so, for they have to pay account of their actions which displease God greatly and go against His Holy Will. The same admonishment applies to journalists and people involved in the media who contribute to pave the way for the legalisation of divorce in their countries.

On the other hand, truly blessed are those who not only abide by God’s Commandments and the Teachings of Christ in their daily and ordinary life, but teach others to do likewise with both their words and their example, and do not hesitate to defend God’s Law whenever necessary. These people have made the wise choice to be faithful to God unconditionally and without compromise, even if this means to be contrary to how the world reasons, and if necessary to be different and suffer for the sake of the Truth. Our Saviour warned us, because He loves us: “Choose the narrow gate, since the road that leads to perdition is wide and comfortable. Many take it this road, but will not succeed, for it is this narrow gate opening to a hard road that leads to eternal life, but only a few choose it.”

It is our duty before God, as loyal disciples of Christ, to defend unconditionally the Commandments and His Teachings whenever any of these are attacked. In our turbulent times, we are called to defend especially the family and marriage, as God Himself instituted right from the very beginning of creation, and as He wills it. To those who refrain from this responsibility, I must remind them these words of Christ: “Those who declare themselves for Me and defend My Teachings before men, I will defend them before My Father in Heaven. But those who are shy of Me and disown My Word in the presence of men, I will disown them when they appear before My Father in Heaven”.

THE SERVANT OF GOD POPE PIUS XII (1876-1958)

Mr Paul Barrett

May 13th 2011, 12:43

Mmmm - that has brought the fanatics out of the woodwork LOL.

Mr Antoine Azzopardi

May 13th 2011, 12:42

Nixtieq kieku s-Sur Carmel Hili jaghtina stampa cara ta' kif jghix hu bhala 'Kattoliku' fil-hajja tieghu biex inkunu nistghu nimitawh. Thanks.

Philip Hili

May 13th 2011, 12:20

Ghalli jista' jkun is-Sur Carmel Hili LI ZGUR MA JIGIX MINNI mhux dak li ikkontesta kull elezzjoni sew Generali kif ukoll tal-Kunsilli Lokali f'isem L-Alernattiva Demokratika hux??
Jekk hu hekk, u ghada nkunu nafu ghax skond it-TOM "The group will be officially launched tomorrow" il-gruppi favur id-divorzju kollha semghu minn Dr. Joseph Muscat biex il-kwistjoni tad-divorzju ma naghmluiex ballun politiku"!!!!!! Le qeghdin tajjeb!!!

Jekk is-Sur Hili skond it-tbassir tieghi huwa dak ta' l-Alternattiva, haga wahda hemm tajba. Din hi li l'alternattiva dejjem kienet konsistenti ma' dak li temmen li hi dik ta' favur id-divorzju. Ghalhekk, kulhadd jaf fejn hu qieghed maghha. Mhux bhal PL, illum ighid hekk ghax jaqbillu u ghada jghid mod iehor. Ezempju klassiku ta' dan hu il-programm fuq is-super one "Realta" li xxandar il-bierah fejn ghal hafna mistoqsijiet tas-Sur Brian Hansford, il-Kap ta' l-Oppozizzjoni ha linja favur id-divorzju u sahansitra anke qal u enfazizza li hu ser jikkanvazja favur id-divorzju.

Come on Man!!!
Taf x'qieghed taghmel jew?

Jista' xi hadd jafdalek it-tmexxija tal-pajjizna f'idejk? Imwegga kemm tkun imwegga u forsi anke batut kemm tkun batut, minn jista' jivvutalek fl-elezzjoni ohra biex bhal ma ghid int tkun l-izghar Prim Ministru ta' pajjizna meta qieghed turi inkonsistenza grassa u l-anqas qieghed tirrispetta l-inteligenza tal-Poplu Malti? Alla jilliberana minn din id-dizgrazzja li tista' tolqot lill Malta.

Ma intix kredibbli Man!! Jekk inti kont ta' l-ideja u ideja tajba li din il-kwisjoni ma ghandiex tinzel fix-xena politika, ghax kellek tkun inti l-ewwel wiehed li tnizzilha fix-xena politika?

Mr Alfred Hili

May 13th 2011, 12:13

The church teaches that it is adultery for a man/woman to leave his/her marriage partner and go to live with another one; as catholics we have to accept that. As far as voting goes I don't know what to think ! Have I got the right to impose on non-believers ?

Mr Joe Zammit

May 13th 2011, 11:56

BORG IN-NADUR: 17 ta' Novembru, 2010:

Uliedi, illejla tajtkom prova ċara. Iva wliedi, għalhekk Ibni Ġesù qed jibgħatni hawn, fuq dil-gżira. Għalhekk għażilt dil-familja kważi ħames snin ilu. Għalhekk ridt lil Angelik u lil Catherine. Iva wliedi, Ibni Ġesù ma riedx jara żwieġ imfarrak. Għalhekk ħames snin ilu bagħatni hawnhekk, nerġa’ ngħidilkom. Ġejt inħabbrilkom minn qabel x’se jseħħ fuq dil-gżira. Kien hawn min fehemni u oħrajn lanqas biss taw widen.

Ftit taż-żmien ieħor se jkollkom għażla f’idejkom intom stess. Oqogħdu attenti x’tagħżlu wliedi. Iġġibux il-gwaj fuqkom.

Fejnhom fil-familji l-imħabba, l-għaqda, il-maħfra, is-sinċerità u t-talb flimkien? Fejnhom? Għalhekk illum kulħadd qed ifarfar minn fuq spallejh mal-ewwel intopp li jinqala’.

Iva wliedi, il-qalb tiegħi u l-qalb ta’ Ibni Ġesù muġugħin minħabba fikom. Jiena muġugħa għax jiena omm li nħoss għalikom.

Akkost ta’ kollox uliedi, jiġri x’jiġri, ibqgħu għidu: “LE GHAD-DIVORZJU, LE GHAD-DIVORZJU!"

U għidu r-rużarju u ġiegħlu lil ħaddieħor jgħid ir-rużarju.

Grazzi talli smajtu s-sejħa tiegħi.

Mr Joe Zammit

May 13th 2011, 11:55

Par.2384 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Divorce is a grave offence against the natural law…. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery: …”.

‘A grave offence against natural law’ means a grave sin against God who is the author of natural law. So, divorce is a grave sin. Adultery is a grave offence against God as well since it transgresses seriously the Sixth Commandment of God. Adultery denotes sexual acts by married persons outside a valid marriage, i.e. outside a marriage that is valid before God.

Christ spoke clearly of the evil of divorce: “What God has joined together let no man put asunder”. ‘Let no man put asunder’ means ‘let no-one resort to divorce’. This is a command not an advice and it is so serious a command that amounts to a grave sin if it is ignored. Moreover, the fact that it is expressed in the negative clearly shows that it admits of no exception. The Catholic Church, as the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Christ, has never resorted to divorce in her 2000-year-old history.

Christ was clear also on the evil of adultery and said that, if one divorces his spouse and enters another marriage, one lives in adultery. (Mk 10, 2-12; Mt 19, 2-9). In the first letter to the Corinthians, St Paul says: “Do not be deceived; neither … nor adulterers… will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor.6, 9-10).

Divorce is a grave sin. Par. 1789 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church runs: “… One may never do evil so that good may result from it; …”

On July 13, 1917 the Virgin Mary told the three children of Fatima that “many go to hell on account of the sins of the flesh”. Among the sins of the flesh there is adultery. Padre Pio had regular mystical contacts with God, saints, angels and devils, and used to say that "divorce is a passport to hell". He knew what he was saying and no one could belie him. It is not a joke to go to hell … and to hell for ever!

Divorce leads to hell because it transgresses God’s categorical law on marriage, namely indissolubility. Divorce purports to do what it cannot do, namely to dissolve a validly contracted marriage.

Let no one try to deceive God by planning to live in sin and die in grace. Such a plan will be the devil’s snare. You die as you live!

Mr Reginald Borg

May 13th 2011, 11:46

Voting in favour of divorce is a grave sin.
Those who already intend to vote in favour of divorce have already committed a grave sin.
God hates divorce.
Christ condemned divorce.
John the Baptist died a martyr for the unity of marriage.
The Catholic Church's teaching is very clear. Divorce is instrinsically evil.
Divorce has brought economic disasters.
Divorce has caused social evils.........it has and continues to undermine the family.

Mr M Vella***

May 13th 2011, 11:43

Divorce is a civil right, and no one - not the government, not PN, not PL, and not the Curia has the right to impose its will on people and to take away the freedom of choice from the people,were there is no love there is no marriage, whether divorced or not.who am i to deny a person a second chance at marriage; on the other hand divorce is not imposed on happily married couples.
Human rights law upholds the positive right of all people to marry and found a family.
art.8 of the euro pen convention of human rights=The right of family life.
Divorce is the only solution for a failed marriage.

Mr l. theuma

May 13th 2011, 11:19

Rights weather civil or not are not men invented rights but rights inherent into human nature. Divorce goes against what human nature dictates. "From the begining it was not so" Jesus Christ.

Mr Michael Buhagiar

May 13th 2011, 10:51

This grouping headed by this Carmel Hili, should be ashamed to even call themselves catholics. How can they be catholics when they are defying God and his commandment: What God has united let no one destroy.? How can they say that divorce is a civil right when God has condemned it? You either side with God or with your vulgarity. They are pseudo persons - niether Christian nor catholics. Catholics must abide by the Catholic cathecism, doctrine and those authorised to represent Christ here on earth, the Pope and the Church magisterium. All other denominations are surely coming from the evil one. Catholics cannot choose what the believe and what not to believe otherwise dont call yourselves catholics. You either accept all the doctrine and teachings of God or else call yourselves anyother name except catholics or christians, which you surely are not. And this goes even for those annointed, priests, bishops, cardinals, everyone. Those who dont toe this line have chosen their evil destination to hell. Yes it is a sin a mortal sin, to vote in favour of destruction and divorce is the destruction of the family and of society. And moral teachings say that when you know that the action you are taking will lead to something wrong (there is nothing good about divorce) and you know it and are mindful of the damage and consequences, you will be doing to the common good, then that sin will not wash away from your conscience, no matter what. You can laugh with common mortals, but God will have His last laugh.

Mr Ronald Cauchi

May 13th 2011, 10:31

As a non -believer its nice to see that there are Catholics who believe in civil liberties and the separation of State and Church. It is a welcome change from the position taken by the Church itself which seems detemined to impose its sectarian beliefs on all and sundry supported by all the other christian fundamentalists around.

Mr Saliba Francis

May 13th 2011, 10:30

Elementary syllogism:

Civil rights are rights that are granted by a country's civil laws
In Malta there are no laws that enable any court of law to grant divorce.
Therefore divorce is NOT a civil right in Malta.

Let us try to be serious and honest without trying to kid ourselves! The very name of the group "Iva, ghax dritt" is a gross lie and will remain a lie no matter how often it is repeated.

The correct motto would be "Vote "Iva" because divorce is NOT yet a civil right - and this group of self styled "Catholics" would like it to make it so!.

Ramon Casha

May 13th 2011, 10:21

Well done for giving to Caesar what is Caesar's.