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No plans for gender realignment facilities

No facilities exist in the public sector for gender realignment surgery and there are no plans for such services to be introduced, Health Minister Joseph Cassar has said in reply to a Parliamentary question.

Labour MP Owen Bonnici asked if such facilities existed and if the minister felt that the government should, at least, cover a fracton of the cost of such operations since some people were having such operations carried out abroad, even in Serbia.

The minister gave no further details.

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N. S Tanti

Apr 5th 2011, 14:59

Well said Jan. This is what I mean.

Basta inpingu lil malta bhala mimlija bil-qaddisin u nikkwotaw il-bibbja left right and centre.

M Schembri

Apr 5th 2011, 15:22

And how on earth do you know that "those" (whoever these might be) are Christians?? As far as I know no one in this corner identified himself / herself as Christian / Muslim / Buddist / Atheist. And to be honest the fact of being a Christian or not goes well beyond this subject. Every individual has the right for an opinion, especially if we're talking about our own money through taxes.
No one likes to see 4 millions to be spent on consultancy (especially when projects are then abandoned). But considering the high priorities we have in this country I wouldn't be happy to see 4 million being spent for those kind of operations either.

A Cassar

Apr 5th 2011, 16:28

I really hate getting into these discussions but today I have to.
@M Schembri. You are totally right this is a question of putting the money where it really matters. But it seems like picking on the Christians now a days has become cool as we used to say when we where younger.

@ Jane Farrugia. As Schembri said no body declared him or herself Christian here. The argument is about prioritizing the money. I did not see the Xarabank program so I can't comment on what was said there I only commented on the Parliamentary question. Living in a dignified way yes I agree. The people with gender realignment problems have free aid through social workers etc. And again it is programs like these that void the mind....

J Farrugia

Apr 5th 2011, 18:46

intom zgur li ma tikkwalifikawx bhala qaddisin, anzi ...... tridu timponu l-virtujiet kollha taghkom huma x'inhuma fuq haddiehor.

S.Micallef

Apr 5th 2011, 12:54

At least one person is certain about her gender!!! :)

M Schembri

Apr 5th 2011, 15:26

@ A Cassar
Couldn't agree more with your comment. ...."fact is fiction and TV reality"

Ms P M Graham

Apr 5th 2011, 12:54

~applause~

Perhaps education is the antidote to the poison you speak of.

Perhaps actually giving a damn about someone else for a change could be a step in the right direction too, instead of, "I'm all right Jack............"

excellent post Charlie Borg.

Charlie Borg

Apr 5th 2011, 13:42

Turix l-istmellija li ghandek lejn parti mill-proxxmu tieghek.

B Gatt

Apr 5th 2011, 15:02

M. Mamo naqbel mieghed habib. Qisu ghandna xi vit inixxi d-dehem minghajr ma jaqta' xejn. Kulhadd isib skuza biex jiehu b'xejn imbaghad nies li ma jifilhux ihallsu ghall-kura tal-kancer u mard serju iehor joqghodu jittallbu. Dawn huma operazzjonijiet kosmetici u mhux mehtiega. L-ewwel il-pappa imbaghad l-umpappa. L-ewwel in-necessarju.

M.Mamo

Apr 5th 2011, 15:25

@ Charlie, m'ghandi l-ebde stmerrija lejn hadd ... ghalija l-hajja privata ta hadd m'hi affari tieghi u sakhemm ikunu komdu jaghmlu kif jixtiequ ... madankollu ma nhoxxs li t-taxxi tieghi ghandhom imorru ghal xi hadd li jrid ibiddel is-sess meta hawn hafna iktar nies imutu kuljum b'kancer jew mard iehor - ehe nippreferi nati flusi ghal tiftix fuq mard erju milli ghal xi hadd li jrid ihossu komdu - persuna b'kancer ma tridx thossa komda imma TGHIX!

maria muscat

Apr 5th 2011, 11:42

if a child is born with a condition (which we can see) we fix it (if possible) because it is a mistake of mother nature and we have the power to change that individuals life so why not the same with transgenders?! at the end of the day we should not fix mother natures mistakes so lets ignore children and adults suffering from cancer and a multitude of other conditions!!! just because you cannot see it does not mean it is not their and if it comes down to the soul of a person then this far worse then many health conditions

S.Micallef

Apr 5th 2011, 12:35

@M.Muscat

Your comment is highly insensitive to all those who suffer from life threatening illnesses. Saying gender issues are worse than cancer or other life threatening illnesses is just wrong. Anyway gender reallignment surgery does not solve the problem for these people. As you said it is a pyschological problem, one that should be treated but i hardly think that gener reallignment solves the problem. What then? This person goes off into the world as if nothing happened?

This is just cosmetic surgery. There are people who similarly suffer physchological problems because they have big noses, fat stomachs, small breasts and so on.

maria muscat

Apr 5th 2011, 13:23

oh please first of like you could compare the genitilia to the size of your nose or bust!!! and you should really read my post through again because I never said transgender is worse then cancer... I believe it should be given the same relevance as all other conditions because its not an insecurity as would be the case with cosmetic surgey yes it is cosmetically altering however it goes far deeper then being unsettled or insecure it comes down to the fact that a person is actually trapped in the wrong body, can you truly understand this concept .... I believe not, because you dont seem to relate that these people wake everyday look in the mirror and dont even recognize what they see!!! now I dont if you are a man or a woman for that matter but take a look in the mirror and pretend your body is of the opposite sex and tell me is that only cosmetic??

S. Calleja

Apr 6th 2011, 13:33

S. Micallef "This is just cosmetic surgery." Cosmetic surgery is the complete opposite of this. People do cosmetic surgery to look more of the same gender than they currently feel, e.g. a girl enhances her female characteristics. A man may do hair transplant to look more virile. Gender realignment is the total opposite of this. A "girl" may remove her breast to look less feminine and more like a boy. A "boy" may have breast implants to look less like a boy and more like a girl. Gender realignment is the diametric opposite of cosmetic surgery.

J Farrugia

Apr 5th 2011, 11:10

the only sad thing is that tiny minorities are trying to impose their perverted ideas on the whole country. Our money will not go down to such waste. There are many abondoned children in church institutes who need this money, there are many old people living all alone abondoned by their families who need this money. That is where we must put our taxes and benefits.

S.Micallef

Apr 5th 2011, 11:22

I'm sure these people do have a hard time, but we need to prioritise. With the large number of people suffering from cancer, many children needing to travel abroad for treatment, other persons suffering from life threatening illnesses and disabilities...should this be high on our agenda?

we've seriously got our priorities all wrong. children having to travel to the UK for treatment, yet our gender-confused adults get free treatment at home! come on!

maria muscat

Apr 5th 2011, 11:38

you would be surprised ... i can name 2 close friends (both male by birth) but women by heart who would do this surgery if they only had the funding

S. Calleja

Apr 5th 2011, 11:50

J. Farrugia: " tiny minorities are trying to impose their perverted ideas on the whole country" People who speak like this usually have identity issues themselves which they try to hide by muffling the outside world from tipping over their precarious balance. Healthy people find no trouble accepting other people for who they are irrespective of their sexual preferences or sexual identity. Your attitude, Mr Farrugia, disgusts me. I wonder if you have ever ventured outside your cocoon of prejudice and false stereotypes.

M.Mamo

Apr 5th 2011, 12:04

@ Maria, even I have a lot of things I wish to do but have priorities and respect my budget

maria muscat

Apr 5th 2011, 13:27

what you cant get that TV you want or take the holiday you planned in respect of your budget please dont compare as if problems like this could ever compete with problems like theirs at the end of the day if these arent your problems and you mean something on a more personal level like a nose job at least you can look in the mirror and still be able to confidently say I am a man or I am a woman and happy this way

J Farrugia

Apr 5th 2011, 13:44

Sur S Calleja, jien kull hin nirringrazzja lil Alla tal-gid kollu li jaghmel mieghi u kull fejn immur xejn u hadd mhu ser ihammarli wicci.

S. Calleja

Apr 5th 2011, 15:18

@ J Farrugia. Then your problem is even worse, since you don't even realise you have one.

H Barbara

Apr 5th 2011, 16:06

maria muscat I wish I could go on a cruise but I don't have the money. So should I seek money from the government to go on a cruise? Too bad maria. Our money must not be wasted on cosmetic changes but on real life-threatening issues.

H Barbara

Apr 5th 2011, 16:08

S. Calleja I don't think that J Farrugia has the problem you think that he has but that he is right and it is the tiny minorities who try to impose themselves upon the rest that have a problem which they should solve themselves and not expect others to solve it for them.

S. Calleja

Apr 6th 2011, 01:58

@ H. Barbara. Whether you realise it or not, everybody is a minority in some way or another. People with cataracts are a minority. People who limp are a minority. People who break an arm are a minority. People who have cancer are a minority. Gay people are a minority. People who are infertile are a minority. Very intelligent people are a minority, and so are very dumb ones. Very short people or very tall people are a minority. People in wheelchairs are a minority. Motorcycle drivers are a minority, as are people who take the bus. So catering for the needs of the minority is not such an alien an idea.

J Farrugia

Apr 5th 2011, 11:17

hadd m'ghandhu jaghmel il-hajja tal-proxxmu tieghu mizerja biex imbaghad inhossuna komdi nwahhlu fil-knisja u ghax kattoliku u mhux. Ghax mhux kulhadd jidhak jekk jaraw persuna taqa' fuq qoxra ta' banana? Allura dak mhux nuqqas ta' karita'? Mhux razzizmu ghalik? Minflok taghti idejk biex bniedem iqum tkompli tidhaq bih? Dan huwa kollu dmugh ta' kukkudrilli li taparsi qalbhom tahraqhom ghall-proxxmu taghhom. Imma minn trabi u nies veri qalbkom ma tahraqkomx????

N. S Tanti

Apr 5th 2011, 14:58

Kemm tinharaq meta xi hadd jghid il-verita aka kemm kollox sejjer il-bahar taht il-gvern tieghek. J. Farrugia ghalik l-aqwa li skond int tal-blue jaghmlu kollox tajjeb u ta l-ahmar kollox hazin. Kull kumment li tikteb hlief rabja ma tohrogx. Iftah ghajnejk u induna li kull partit jaghmel ittajjeb u il-hazin u dak li hu hazin tghidx li hu tajjeb biex itella dak li tahseb int fuq pedestall.

Tant gietek rabja ghax ikkritikajt lil PN b'xi mod jew iehor li b'dak li ktibt qas biss gejt tiftihem. Iva huwa hazin li xi nies ma jigux accettati ghal dak li jhossu u jintbghatu il-barra bil-pulit. Is-servizzi tas-sahha qeghdin hemm ghal kulhadd u kull tip ta servizz ghandu jkun possibli ghax dan mhux pajjiz taliban Sur Farrugia. Li kien ghalik anke l-elezzjoni tnehhi li ma tmurx ikun hemm xi nies jivvutaw kontra il-PN. Drajniek issa Sur Farrugia mhemmx ghalfejn titmashan daqshekk!

J Farrugia

Apr 5th 2011, 18:49

il-veerita' twegghek sur Tanti?? Lili ma tweggghanix. U billi t-times qed ticcensura xi kummenti tieghi xorta hadd mhu ser jaghtini lezzjonijiet. Kulhadd irid il-manna b'xejn imma hadd ma jrid jahdem ghaliha. U min irid jifhem ha jifhem.

M Pisani

Apr 5th 2011, 10:44

Mr Borg,

This is not a health situation, but yes a luxurious operation. If these kind of operations are to be introduced in Malta, the persons concerned should pay for the operation themselves. Those who for example have their noses done, pay for it themselves.

maria muscat

Apr 5th 2011, 11:36

reallignment surgery is not luxurious it is done by desperate individual who spend their life looking in the mirror and not being able to match what they see with what they are.... it cannot be compared to a nose or a boob job for that matter as it is an issue of greatest importance of what defines us as an indvivdual

M Pisani

Apr 5th 2011, 12:30

I'm sorry Ms Muscat, but yes it is luxurious. I too can look in the mirror and not like what I see and be suicidal, even if i don't need gender reassignment surgery that does not mean that I must get cosmetic surgery for free. I am not ready to pay taxes for people who want to switch sexes. This is not medical but cosmetic. If they want to have the surgery, than they must pay for it themselves. I have nothing against this, but i do not want to pay for it.

I.Cilia

Apr 5th 2011, 16:25

ah just read this comment, and now realised how much your humanity defines your thoughts... Your political humanity it seems... So just because a Labour MP pushed for this to you it is right??? and sacrosanct?

and before you say that I am a PN apologist, keep your trap shut, read my replies to you below and see that I have criticized this Government for not accepting a change in civil status when a person undergoes a gender realignment operation...

and you can have your Isthi back as well.... (this word seems to be a favourite of MLP supporters).... allowing your political ideology to cloud your thoughts on such issues...

humane my foot it seems ( a short one by the way)

Charlie Borg

Apr 5th 2011, 10:41

It would not be such a stupidity if it were you, a woman inside a man's body, or the other way round. You, who preach so much and are militant towards the Catholic Church and towards religion, should know better than to shower abuse at those who are in such a predicament and merely scoff at them and describe their woe as 'stupidities'. But then, why should readers of these commentaries be surprised at your comments? I, for one, certainly am not.

N. S Tanti

Apr 5th 2011, 10:48

anke il-gvern u l-intolleranza tieghu ukoll ridikoli. Mid-dehra l-inqas li hu lest li jghin hu lil maltin stess. Ghal kulhadd ghandu flus barra ghal maltin.

M Debono

Apr 5th 2011, 10:53

@Charlie Borg

I think very few people are surprised at J Farrugia's comments. I think we will be astounded on the day when he/she will have something decent to say about a fellow human being.

I.Cilia

Apr 5th 2011, 10:55

I believe that public Health service is there to cater for sickness and medical interventions that are a threat to someone's life and not a "cosmetic" issue.

I would like whiter teeth, take off my specs and do the laser and yes why not body sculpture to make me look like a bodybuilder without any hassle, but I do not expect the public health system to cater for this...

next Owen will ask if breast augmentation or a nose job is being offered at Mater Dei... Hallina ta... the Public Health is paid out of my taxes and I would never accept such a thing...

While i sympathise with people who need gender realignment surgery I do not expect that the state covers this... f gieh kemm hemm ta..

If you want cosmetic surgery pay for it... simple i guess... unless it is a case of trauma where someone literally bashed his face up and needs to be reconstructed...

J Farrugia

Apr 5th 2011, 11:20

bl-argumenti taghkom l-inqas indunajtu li kxiftu idejkom. Mela issa biex inkunu iktar generuzi fl-ipstarijiet tal-gvern ghandna nippratikaw l-ewtanasja. ghax qalbna gulgliena ghal batut skond dawn ix-xellugin. Qatt ma jkun dan. Il-flus migbura mit-taxxi tal-poplu ghandhom imorru ghal kawzi gusti u mhux ghal hmerijeit bhal blogs li qed jiktbu certu nies maghrufa ghall-estremizmu taghhom kontra l-valuri morali kif mghallma mill-Knisja kattolika u kontra l-poplu onest li jahdem b'risq il-familja maltija.

maria muscat

Apr 5th 2011, 11:34

@ I. Cillia reallignment surgery is not cosmetic and only someone who has no idea what they are talking about would compare realignment surgery to denatl whitening and laser eye surgery!!! it in actual fact affects the mental health of an individual and you cannot compare what it would feel like to be the soul of a woman trapped in a mans body and vice versa with the e.g.s you gave

S. Calleja

Apr 5th 2011, 11:38

I. Cilia, if you were born with female genitalia I don't think you'd still look at the intervention simply as a "cosmetic" one. I'm sure that, as a man, not having your manhood will cause you slightly more than mere inconvenience.

S. Calleja

Apr 5th 2011, 11:42

J Farrugia. You just equated gender reassignment with euthanasia? How on earth do you manage to make the connection?

Charlie Borg

Apr 5th 2011, 11:46

Mr Cilia, you show your lack of knowledge when you comment in that manner. Usually, people like you sit down, be silent and hide under some rock.

I.Cilia

Apr 5th 2011, 12:17

Do not want to ridicule the issue, (because I think that is is quite a serious matter especially for those that want to do gender realignment), but I am a tall person trapped in a short person's body...

can the state pay for me to get a taller body...

I believe that no one is perfectly happy in how he/she looks and there are ways to improve yourself but the fact remains that it is still a cosmetic issue. the NHS should be there for non cosmetic or serious (for want of a better word) cases.

If you want gender realignment, fine I agree that it should be made available and the state should help where it can, particularly in areas like changing of the civil status etc... but not actually fund it itself... well taxpayers fund it.. Where I point fingers at the state is the excess bureacracy and hindrance to change the civil status once this operation is conducted..

as a taxpayer I do not mind funding trauma cases, cancer treatment, heart surgery, etc etc... but not something of a cosmetic nature...

you have the right to disagree of course..

I.Cilia

Apr 5th 2011, 13:38

@Charlie Borg..

in all your rude accusations, just because I do not agree with you, I will answer in only one way..

I pay my taxes and I have the right to voice my opnion on how these should be spent..

getting the state to fund everything for everyone is downright ridiculous...

what the state should do is not make it hell for people who undergo this surgery (at their own expense) to get legal recognition of their change of sex..

and I think you should hide under a rock because you have no idea what it means to be civil and discuss difference of opinions...

and if suche medical operations would be introduced it would be a huge injustice to those who are suffering life threatening conditions and would be put at par with such operations... We all know the current caseload in hospital... hekk jonqos issa...

Charlie Borg

Apr 5th 2011, 13:40

Mr Cilia, I have to disagree with you. Because I am a human being and am humane! I have a heart and feel for others' plight! Isthi!

Ramon Casha

Apr 5th 2011, 15:24

@I.Cilia "I believe that public Health service is there to cater for sickness and medical interventions that are a threat to someone's life..."

Certainly not! What if you had a condition that could cause you to lose your sight, but wouldn't kill you?

It's difficult - at least for me - to try to place this type of intervention on a scale from 1 to 10, but I'd say it's between teeth whitening and life-saving surgery. What are the criteria for helping people anyway? Aren't there other forms of non-life-saving surgery tat citizens get assistance with?

"but I am a tall person trapped in a short person's body... "

Is this a condition that occupies your thoughts for most of the day? How is it affecting your job? Your social life? What does your therapist recommend?

I.Cilia

Apr 5th 2011, 16:14

@Charlie Borg.

mela first you say you are humane... . But more importantly it is the recognition of gender realignment which is the major issue. and not lobby for something that will never happen... and again you have to end up with stupid comments like Isthi and stuff like that... you should "Isthi" for being downright rude..

just because of a tv programme saret a national issue... politicians jumping on the bandwagon and people now becoming experts on transgender issues...

I think that you must all live detached from reality... there are many more serious cases which need to be solved in hospital before event thinking of introducing something of the sort...

re losing your sight. having a prescription of - 16 is pretty much being blind without resorting to specs or lenses, and the goverment does not offer laser surgery... and this is way much more prominent and widespread a problem (for want of a better word) but no one requested state intervention for such an issue.. and if being partly blind does not affect you physcologically as much as if not more that being in another sex's body ma nafx jien.. then again kulhadd b salibu hux..

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