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Big majority adopts PN motion against divorce

A big majority of the members of the PN executive committee this afternoon voted in favour of a motion moved by PN General Secretary Paul Borg Olivier declaring the party's position against the introduction of divorce.

The motion also says that a pending bill on the introduction of divorce will be discussed in Parliament as soon as possible and that MPs would be granted a free vote. Should the Bill be approved, it would need to be confirmed in a referendum.

The holding of the referendum only if the Bill is approved by the House was the subject of intensive debate in this morning's meeting, with many members arguing that the people had been led to believe that they would be heard about divorce, and yet no referendum would be held if the Bill was defeated in the House.

Prime Minister Lawrence Gonzi, however, insisted that that was the best position.

Amendments moved by Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando, seconded by Jesmond Mugliett, calling on the party to back the introduction of divorce, were defeated. The only amendment that was accepted noted that the rate of separations in Malta has risen.

Dr Pullicino Orlando was among those who argued that the party would suffer politically if the referendum was not held.

The committee also discussed the question to be put if the referendum is held, and it was agreed that it would be based on the contents of the Bill.

The party position and the forthcoming debate in Parliament are now being discussed at a meeting of the PN parliamentary group.

Earlier this week, the Divorce Movement attacked the PN's referendum proposal, describing it as “a filthy tactic” to turn a promised referendum on divorce into “a possible refer­endum aimed at striking down the proposed law”.

Chairman Deborah Schembri said the holding of a referendum after MPs would have voted yes unfairly created “a twisted double hurdle” for the proposed divorce Bill.

“The Prime Minister’s reason to opt for a referendum was that the government did not have an electoral mandate to introduce divorce and that, on a matter of such fundamental importance, he wanted to see what the people had to say before proceeding. That was a reasonable stance and we did not oppose it.

“However, proposing a referendum only after a vote on the Bill is taken in Parliament completely defeats the purpose of having a referendum. It is a contradiction in terms because those who self-professedly do not have a mandate to represent the people on the issue of divorce would be doing just that if a vote is taken before going to the people.”

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James Formosa

Feb 14th 2011, 08:46

Are you serious? Secular? Before voting get your facts right. The PN is a conservative, christian democratic party with fascist origins. Nothing wrong with that....but definitely not secular!!

maria buhagiar

Feb 14th 2011, 10:01

F'kollox il-Partit Nazzjonalista jitnebbaħ mill-ideal nisrani tad-dinjita' tal-bniedem, mibnija fuq ir-rabtiet tiegħu ma' Alla u ma' ħutu l-bnedmin l-oħra, fil-familja u f'għaqdiet volontarji oħra li l-Istat għandu jgħinhom u jseddaqhom. This is taken from the Party's official declaration re its beliefs. For those who think otherwise, then they are not really Nationalists. Sorry to disappoint you , but like it or not, the Nationalist Party is based on Christian values and God's laws cannot be ignored. The Party's stand on divorce is inevitable. It can't twist and turn its' ideals to please.

MIchael Grech

Feb 15th 2011, 19:33

@maria buhagiar, meta gholla d-dawl u l-ilma, halla li l-propjeta titla m'oghla is-sema u gholla il......paga tieghu, il-PN kien imnebbah."......mill-ideal nisrani tad-dinjita' tal-bniedem, mibnija fuq ir-rabtiet tiegħu ma' Alla u ma' ħutu l-bnedmin l-oħra, fil-familja u f'għaqdiet volontarji oħra li l-Istat għandu jgħinhom u jseddaqhom "

Philip Hili

Feb 13th 2011, 15:00

Good riddance!!!!!

Michael Catania

Feb 13th 2011, 13:03

Reading the above made me feel like we are living on the moon . Never in my life have I heard and read such a lot of b--ls--t . Only a conservative can come up with it . Maybe we should look in the background of these hollier then thou clowns.

Alex Wright

Feb 13th 2011, 14:54

my my my Mrs Borg

what an angry, little woman you sound - woke on the wrong foot this morning ?

have a break... or better give US a break from the pro-PN bla bla - it only accentuates what a painful system we are forced to gulp thanks to voters like yourself.

axuereb

Feb 14th 2011, 04:40

ara veru tghix f dinja tal-holm!

Jesmond Farrugia

Feb 12th 2011, 21:38

Għażla ċara favur il-familja Maltija.

simon cutajar

Feb 13th 2011, 11:51

Mela !!!!!! La kuntent int kuntent kullhadd ! Int x'digi taqa u tqum mit-tbatijiet li qed ibatu dawk li intlaqtu min zwieg li ma irnexix ! Jien Nazzjonalist imma vot iehor minghandi ma tohdux !

Philip Hili

Feb 13th 2011, 15:09

@ Simon Cutajar
Billi tghid li inti Nazzjonalista, ma int ser tqarraq b'hadd. Dabbar rasek mill-Partit ghax il-Partit Nazzjonalista nies ta' fibra jrid fi hdanu u mhux nies biex jisserverw bieh meta jaqblilhom.
J'alla l-Partit Nazzjonalista jitnaddaf minn nies bhalek illum qabel ghada ghax "frotta hazina ma' hafna ohrajn t'hazzen l-ohrajn".

Jesmond Farrugia

Feb 12th 2011, 21:47

The stench is unbearable. A Labour government may now be necessary to preserve what little integrity these politicians have left. Lord help us.

Elaine Compagno

Feb 13th 2011, 06:49

Joe, how do you feel about the strip clubs? What about the gaming shops that dot the island? Or the 'massage parlors' springing up everywhere? Free porn online and via sattelite? Playboy magazines in stationaries? Seems like God has been losing the fight against the devil for a while now, especially considering divorce is present all over the world. This dot of rock is His last fort. Awww..

Are you sure that it is divorce that weakens marriage? Or maybe it's separation. Maybe annulment even!

victor pulis

Feb 13th 2011, 12:36

Ma kontx naf li l-valuri kattolici u nsara jippromwovu u jinkoraggixxu l- koabitazzjoni legalizzata.

Willy Apap

Feb 12th 2011, 21:27

That is because it has to do with MONEY and POWER concerning a so called religious institution that has an octopus grip on the island and it does not want to let go.
MONEY and POWER are too sweet to let go.
These elected guys in suits are their facilitators.

Elaine Compagno

Feb 13th 2011, 05:58

What kind of marriage are you talking about? The kind where the 'spouses' do not live together anymore? Where they have moved on and started to co-habit with someone else? Where they have children from this so called illicit relationship?

Having a way out has always been there in the form of separation and annulment. The indissolubility of marriage has not stopped people moving away from unhappy or abusive marriages. Divorce is going to give normal sane people like me a chance to re-marry. Not in church of course. And THAT is why you have a problem.

Your concern has nothing to do with maintaining strong family bonds, but is only about the rise in the resulting civil second marriages.. I'm sure you have no qualms with the church post-annulled second marriages. :)

Elaine Compagno

Feb 13th 2011, 06:04

What's all your fuss about? Divorce is a civil issue. It does not force the church to declare a marriage cancelled. To the church, that marriage can never be broken.

But the church cannot impose its beliefs on other kinds of contracts such as a civil marriage. Divorce is about civil marriage.. and I hope that even the most devout catholics with the thickest of blinders on can see this. Think of the people who have not been married in a church, for whatever reason that may be. The church does not even RECOGNISE their marriage. How can it impose on something it does not even recognise?

axuereb

Feb 14th 2011, 05:16

J Borg

Feb 12th 2011, 19:38

E Azzopardi. 'X'tahwid'. Yes, exactly what I think of the divorce movement. In the past days, in their effort to show the 'values' of divorce, we have heard of 'responsible (?) divorce', 'virtues of divorce',....and so on. Paint it as you will, but divorce is the cancer that will slowly eat away all the values of marriage.

Bob Gauci

Feb 12th 2011, 15:06

The Executive is elected by the committees who are in turn elected and made up of the members... if you are so bothered participate activly within the party.

There are too many people who 'know how this country should be run' but then they never participate in running it.

A. Zahra

Feb 12th 2011, 15:59

Have you undertaken a survey to write that the majority of PN supporters want divorce? I can tell you that a recent survey shows that the overwhelming majority of both PN and LP supporters do not support divorce. In fact more PN supporters support divorce that LP supporters do, though they are still very much a minority.

Philip Hili

Feb 12th 2011, 16:55

Yes, you are right, "Dr Gonzi must know that the PN is not made up only of himself and the executive, but also of the members and the people who support it. " and because of this, in my opinion, this private member's bill should have never been accepted in the first place. Why?
Because:-
a). The Party's principles are based on Catholic Principles and no other Nationalist MP
is going to change these principles,
b). He/She who does not adhere to these principles MUST LEAVE THE PARTY AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE and not use the Party to push HIS PRIVATE AGENDA, and
c). For the way this private member's bill was presented in parliament behind the Party's
back.
Continue/

Ernest Vella

Feb 12th 2011, 15:18

You can write in capital and be angry as much as you want...violence is the fruit of anger. By this are you telling us that the vast majority of separations happened because of violence...and using such argumrent by divorce we are telling who uses violence to find another victim, marry her/him and continue this violence?

Wilfred Camilleri

Feb 12th 2011, 14:57

Wrong. Not everything is essential. Abortion is the murder of innocent babies. Capital punishment is murder by the state. Euthanasia is murder and/or suicide. All these crimes against humanity take place for the convenience of others and often times imposed on the victims.

If you really think these things are essential you have a very twisted and warped sense of what living and humanity is all about.

Vince Cachia

Feb 12th 2011, 18:32

@ Wilfred Camilleri ; You did not understand my statement. I am NOT in favour of the said needs but sometimes they are performed legally to help society!!

L.Zarb

Feb 12th 2011, 18:47

very well said wilfred!!

rbuttigieg

Feb 14th 2011, 14:25

@vince...even a certain adolf hitler said that in the 30's

Angus Black

Feb 12th 2011, 14:56

Exactly what side of this issue are you, Charles? If I remember correctly, MPs from both sides argued that a free vote should be held and that they had the right to reflect the wishes of their constituents. Therefore when the vote is taken, it is assumed that the MPs of both sides would be reflecting the wishes of their constituents. From day one, the NP had always taken the stand that its MPs were free to vote either way.

Now, if they vote against divorce, what exactly is the value of spending millions holding a referendum which will only confirm what the MPs had found through their door to door surveys?

Charles J. Buttigieg

Feb 12th 2011, 19:00

Angus, The electorate is only being given one choice now, ‘Hobson’s Choice’. In the unlikely event that the bill goes through parliament it would need the concurrence of the voter. In the likely event that the bill will not pass Gonzi has decided that the people’s concurrence will not be required. If you think that’s OK then good luck to you.

wally vella-zarb

Feb 12th 2011, 16:13

"Sadattant, wiehed jiskanta kif il-PN qed jaghti free vote (u l-istess 4 minn nies jattakkaw lil 'GonziPN') u il-PL ta' Joseph qed jaghmel precizament l-istess u ma ssibx kelma wahda biex Joseph igieghel lill membri tieghu jivvutaw favur id-divorzju."


Ghaliex qed tiskanta? Jaqaw trid li l-membri parlamentari ghandhom jigu mgiela jivvutaw kif jghidulhom? Mela ma temminx fid-demokrazija?

John Caruana

Feb 12th 2011, 15:33

Annulment of marriage and divorce are not matters that regard individuals alone. These decisions involve responsibilities towards others, especially children. Society as a whole has an interest in stable families, which is why the state regulates marriage and will, if it is intriduced, also regulate divorce.

I get the impression that many people believe that the introduction of divorce will solve all problems related to family breakdown. Experience elsewhere suggests that in some cases it may and in others it does not.

Do we want to beleive the fairy-tale ending that Mr and Mrs X divorced and then lived happily ever after?

Elaine Compagno

Feb 13th 2011, 06:14

Mr Caruana:

The responsibilities towards others such as children etc.. are already taken care of and outlined in our separation and annulment laws. Divorce will not be changing anything here will it? It simply brings a contract between two adults to an end. Fathers remain fathers and mothers remain mothers. But they don't remain husband and wife towards each other while living with other people and bearing offspring from them.

One thing we are missing is this: what about children born to two people who are 'pogguti'? Their mummy and daddy, although living together for many years, cannot marry. Aren't we going to take their plight into consideration too? Or are they less valuable as children? Do they not also deserve this strong family bond we're trying so hard to protect?

Philip Hili

Feb 13th 2011, 14:58

Wenz,
Ma tistax thobb l'Alla u lix-xitan!!!!
Iddeciedi lil minn trid taqdi.

D. A . Agius

Feb 12th 2011, 15:25

"Join in the battle between God and the devil! Fight the good fight! The victory is ours, it's already guaranteed! "

Will you someday stop this pathetic rant?

This is NOT a religious issue, it is a social one. And society is formed from people of different faiths.

So honestly, I don't care which god you believe in, as much as I don't care if you approve of me not believing in one.

I believe in a society, where everyone is imperfect and where some people may be choosing, or else have been made to choose to enter into a relationship which might have been a good idea at first but then turned horribly sour.

If you believe in your own faith well and good, thanks and appreciate that I don't believe I've ever heard your Christ denouncing anyone or suggesting for one to IMPOSE on others their way of life.

As once a Christian guy said on a local TV programme, "The god I believe in cruficied himself, not others!"

Your own religion teaches that one is free to make his choice. So let people do theirs!



axuereb

Feb 14th 2011, 05:52

The Church will continue to echo far and wide Christ teaching and will continue to preach in favour of the indissolubility of marriage and against the evil and injustice of divorce.....how come you never rant about the teaching of the the church on paedophiles? especially those within its own ranks?

wally vella-zarb

Feb 12th 2011, 16:23

If all those majorities manage to veto the option of divorce for the minority whose marriage has failed (circa 20%) then you could also add that "The majority of the people of Malta and Gozo are pseudo-religious bigots who are totally insensitive to the needs of those who are less fortunate and, like true hypocrites, persist in ignoring the suffering that is all around them".

Wilfred Camilleri

Feb 12th 2011, 14:59

Fortunately divorce will not get through.

Philip Hili

Feb 12th 2011, 18:26

As from when minority rights supersede those of the majority?

A.Vella

Feb 12th 2011, 23:07

That's where you are getting it all wrong Philip and you prove my statement that the population is not mature enough. A right such as divorce is not going against any other right, or the right of the majority as you're calling it. By opting to re-marry you are not harming or going against anyone, actually you are regulating yourself. @Joe Zammit go in a church and kneel in prayer cause the end of the world is near and when the saviour is back you'll be one of the few to earn eternal life!!!

G. Mangion

Feb 12th 2011, 12:25

Għandek raġun biex tbiegħ ! Ħajti tiegħi u nagħmel biha li rrid. Għalhekk nfittex nagħmel biha skont dak li tahieli, Alla. Għandi elf Ewro. Tiegħi għax qlajthom b'għaraq ġbini. Se mmur kastilja u naħrqhom quddiem il-Bank Ċentrali għax tiegħi u nagħmel bihom li rrid, fhimt? li rrid nagħmel bihom. U tgħid ma neħilx il-ħabs? tgħid nista' naħraqhom. Mhux tiegħi huma? Nagħmel bihom li rrid. Mhux tiegħi huma? Iva imma...Intelligenti pauca.

Robert Agius

Feb 12th 2011, 13:24

Amen. Apart from your last few sentences. In general, Il-Malti gahan kien, u gahan jibqa.

VINCE CACHIA

Feb 12th 2011, 14:26

Int trid toqghod ghall-ligijiet tal-pajjiz. Jekk le mur ghix filfla!! Kieku kullhadd jaghmel li jrid ikun hawn gungla shieha bik l-ewwel wiehed tghammar ma dik u ma l-ohra!!

G. Mangion

Feb 12th 2011, 18:01

At ALL.& t. borg

THE ABOVE COMENT IS BY ANOTHER G .Mangion

I am Totally Aganst Divorce !!

Philip Hili

Feb 12th 2011, 18:50

"assullatament ma naqbilx ma' referendu. din hajti u ghandi dritt ninfired u nerga mizzewweg u hadd, nirrepeti, hadd m'ghandu dritt jindahal x'naghmel b'hajti. dan dritt michud lili."

X'tgahmel int ma jinteressanix, bhal ma ghidt int dik hi hajtek u ghamel biha li trid.
Pero' bl-istess argument tieghek, l-anqas inti ma ghandek drit tindahalli kif nghix jien u l-familja tieghi. Jekk inti qieghed thoss li dan dritt michud lilek, again bl-istess argument, inti qieghed iccahhad lili u lill-familja tieghi minn dritt li ili ngawdi ghal sekli shah - dritt li hu minqux fil-Kostituzzjoni ta' Malta li tghid li r-Religjon Kattolka hi ir-religjon tal-pajjiz.

Philip Hili

Feb 12th 2011, 18:54

Illum qabel ghada!!

DGalea

Feb 13th 2011, 15:25

u mur mal-leyber, kif ghamel Mr Farrugia borg il-gimgha l ohra.

JOSEPH ZAMMIT

Feb 12th 2011, 10:40

Well said Dr.Emmanuel BEZZINA. Unfortunately, many people are afraid of the boogyman Catholic Church.
Many are awed watching a big country of 87million Egyptians forcing their president to step down. In comparison, here in Malta, we seem like a summer camp--but when people are mind-manacled by the Church authorities, one can easily see why.

A.Schembri

Feb 12th 2011, 11:49

What nonsense. This is the most ridiculous reason I heard.Why should do a thing because it is fashionable?

J Farrugia

Feb 12th 2011, 12:55

who are its decent people? JPO? Varist Bartolo? Are these decent people? You yourself? Are you all in favour of divorce, in favour of the ruining of the Holy sacrament of marraige decent people,? Or are you trying to turn the tables on the Oxford dictionary of what is decent, like the courts are doing?

lydia pace workman

Feb 12th 2011, 14:01

Absolutely. It is incredible that all this chaos has even been created over a human fundamental right. I cannot fathom why the hysteria. It is quite simple. divorce laws are passed and to each his own. No one is his brother's keeper. Let the people decide, and to those opposed? Well why fear it if it does not touch nor concern you?

Wilfred Camilleri

Feb 12th 2011, 15:04

Manipulative idiots? Nice words indeed. Your doctorate and all the letters behind your name are not going to impress anyone or sway anyone to accept your warped reasoning in favour of divorce. The "manipulative idiots" are those who for their own personal reasons and circumstances want to destroy the social fabric of the country.

Daren Decelis

Feb 12th 2011, 13:02

Jekk ikollna c-cans ta' referendum zgur li darba se jkun, ejjew nuzaw mohhna u mhux qalba u nivvutaw Iva ghad-divorzju, maggoranza kbira tal-Maltin qeghdin ibghatu ghax ma ghandhomx cans iehor li jibnu familja mill-gdid, separazzjoni mhix bizzejjed bhala fejqan. U ma noqghodux nzeffnu t-tfal fin-nofs, ghax din id-decizjoni tiswa ghalihom ukoll fil-futur. Zgur li l-piz se jkun fuq min japplika ghad-divorzju u mhux fuq il-pajjiz.. Ejjew nuru l'appogg shih lil Jeffrey u l'kumitat kollu ffurmat li minghajr il-kuragg kbir tieghu, zgur li qatt ma kien ikollna dan ic-cans.

Wilfred Camilleri

Feb 12th 2011, 15:00

You are both dreaming if you believe that the majority of the Maltese people will vote in favour of divorce in a referendum.

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