Life-sentence prisoners should be eligible for parole - Mid Dlam ghad-Dawl
Mid-Dlam ghad-Dawl Foundation said today that it disagreed that prisoners serving a life sentence and those jailed for immigration crimes would not be eligible for parole.
The foundation, which works mostly among prisoners and their families, said it welcomed the publication of the bill for the introduction of parole, something which it had been seeking for five years. Parole, it said, would be beneficial to the penal system and society in Malta.
"However, Mid-Dlam ghad-Dawl does not agree with some points in the proposed bill such as the exclusion from parole of those serving a life sentence and those accused of immigration crimes," the foundation said.
It said it would be proposing improvements to the bill in the coming days.
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charles caruana
Feb 2nd 2011, 10:56
These bleeding hearts of MDDF with their soft-belly brand of liberal humanism betray an abysmal ignorance of human nature, the reality of evil, and the importance and dignity of human choice. They have transformed the term ‘deserved punishment’ into a dirty word, little realizing that if I deliberately commit a crime the punishment I receive is itself a sign of my human dignity as a person with free will and that it is an essential part of my rehabilitation, again if I accept it as such. Instead, they devote most of their energies to helping the victimizer rather than the victim and his family, showing their deficient concepts of justice and social obligation. Mercy yes, but not at the expense of truth and justice.
Nicholas Valenzia
Feb 2nd 2011, 12:02
ma tridx tisma' !
charles caruana
Feb 2nd 2011, 14:28
Better check YOUR ears - and while you're at it , your thinking too. How many victims and their families have you helped and comforted? First them, and then, by all means, the criminals.
Andrew Farrugia
Feb 2nd 2011, 14:44
@ Nicholas Valenzia
"ma tridx tisma' !"
Ahseb u ara int?
Int trid tisma li minn jikkommetti att kriminali hu ta' periklu kbir ghas-socjeta?
Trid tisma' li kulhadd hu responsabbli ta' ghemilu?
Jew temmen fil-ligi tal-gungla? Fl-anarkija?
Iddahhaqx siehbi!
Jonathan Borg
Feb 2nd 2011, 20:33
Everyone seems to forget 2 important points, first of all there are people who go through the system and do come out a better person, redemption is not a myth you know? Living with ones regrets is burden enough, and as soon as the person gets a gleam of chance of a second chance then there is a valid system to justify it. If the person relapses then back in he/she goes.
Secondly what about the people who are convicted of crimes they do not commit? We are solely influenced by the ones we read here, there are many people who would be considered 'criminal' since they were found guilty of a crime that they did not do but the way the law is written in Malta does not give much chance for real justice to occur.
Mind you I do agree that some people have committed too many horrible crimes to be given a second chance, but it is then up to the parole comittee to see to this and we must critisize them.
Nicholas Valenzia
Feb 1st 2011, 23:21
There is a misconception on what Mid-Dlam ghad-Dawl and other volunteers do. They visit prisoners, they speak to them like ordinary human beings. irrespective of the crime, irrespective of their background. no one bangs at a door and asks for freedom. everything is done within the the parameters of a very valid legal system which will be more so once this law comes into force. The aim is that of respecting human dignity nothing more and nothing less. this is not socialist, apologetic or anything else. it is simply based on empathy and the love and respect for others. a prisoner is such other. that's all.
Alex Ellul
Feb 2nd 2011, 14:35
No, a prisoner is not such other,. We are speaking about murderers, drug traffickers who kill our youth for a bunch of euros and other such very erious criminals.
Parole sould not even be discussed here. The criminals must be the happiest people on earth seeing us debating this matter and seeing our politicians and a left-wing disguised as a cleric defending them.
stephen m bugeja
Feb 2nd 2011, 20:45
we must categorize prison inmates, and not paint them all the same colour!A killer isnt the same as a fraudster yet both break the law!Whilst empathizing with any victim of even the smallest of crimes , we should look at the problems that turn people to crime . Parole gives the prisoner the chance to integrate back into society, In some cases it works ,in others well it boils down to the individual, Some people smoke whilst others dont , same goes for the wish of getting back into society .thankfully we live in a civilized society with laws to protect us, thank god there are people out there to help those who need even the smallest of care.
Micheal Pace
Feb 1st 2011, 18:32
L-aqwa li dawn li qed jikkumentaw haw, tlett kwarti minnhom iriduha tal kattolici u jitqarbnu kull nhar ta' Hadd.
Robert Cassar
Feb 5th 2011, 12:03
I think that whether or not I am a catholic should not concern you... Studies show that those who commit crimes particularly of a certain kind tend to relapse over and over again. I guess it is not that difficult to conceptualise that once you trespass a certain threshold there is no turning back...Our system has already so much loopholes... let us not widen the gaps a little bit more...
Those of you who are in favour of parole, pls wait before you are a victim of a crime yourself before you comment.. then pls do so, but I believe your arguments would be slightly different than they are today...The idea that 'miskin kulhadd proxxmu' will be immediately forgotten....
Robert Cassar
Feb 1st 2011, 14:39
I would really like to know HOW is parole beneficial to society?
In what ways?
Is it that difficult to conceive that some people never change?
Michael Grech
Feb 1st 2011, 13:56
Four square with MDD
EDWIN DE MARCO
Feb 1st 2011, 11:23
It's incredible! The country is up-in-arms whether divorce should be introduced or not while in such a serious thing as parole, which can have disastrous consequences sometimes, only parliament will have its say. In America there are over 2,000 under-age prisoners (child offenders themselves) who have been given life sentences without parole.
m vella
Feb 1st 2011, 15:44
Best comment ,could not have said it better myself,Prosit.
Alex Ellul
Feb 1st 2011, 10:19
In Italy there were two recent cases where the paroled criminal, having been paroled and set free, went straight to murdering the person who was the key witness and who gave evidence in court to his original murder, thus humanely transferring this witness from a state of 'dawl' to the state of 'dlam'.
This organisation is nothing but a sorry excuse for a criminal support organisation, hiding behind the cloak of humanism and left-wingism.
What's next, blaming the victim for being in the line of fire when the killer pulled the trigger?
Parole paroli paroli.
P. Borg
Feb 2nd 2011, 11:47
Look at what Angelo Izzo had done in italy after being given parole some years ago. This person had taken active part in the massacre of Circeo in the 70's. As soon as he was given parole, the very first day he killed his friend's wife and daughter, stating proudly in court that he was very satisfied with his accomplishments and his abuses on the women. This is what parole gives.
Whoever does something wrong must pay for it and as said in maltese "biz-zalza" and nothing should let them get out until they pay the bill to society. END OF STORY. It's not fair for the victims who many times have to suffer for life for the losses faced.
Charmaine Marmara'
Feb 1st 2011, 10:06
daqs kemm jatu life sentences hawn malta ...mintx tara l dak tal bomba tal catamarran x lezzjoni tawh , u halluna , ghandom xorti jehlu massimu ta 4 snin tghamel x tghamel ahseb u ara life sentences ...
Chris Mifsud
Feb 1st 2011, 10:00
They should bring back the death penalty for certain crimes. There is nothing wrong with capital punishment, something that is done even in America.
The murderers showed no mercy for their victims, so justice should show no mercy to them.
A Cassar
Feb 1st 2011, 10:36
The USA is the only western country that has the death penalty. No other decent country kills people!! The fact that America is the only western country to do something so barbaric is the exception, not the rule....and despite this....it has a much much much higher amount of murders than other countries without capital punishment. So what do you prefer?? A low murder rate and no executions...or a high murder rate and capital punishment??
If the country is barbaric and thinks that it can legitimately kill people, then people will think that murder is sometimes legitimate
Chris Mifsud
Feb 1st 2011, 14:42
@A Cassar: The death penalty is given to people who DESERVE it. People who murdered in cold blood. People who showed no compassion or mercy to their victims. Keeping these murderers alive is just a waste of tax payers money and an insult to justice.
Robert Callus
Feb 1st 2011, 17:16
87% of the Maltese are pro-life. Definitely not all (probably just a minority) of the remaining 13% agree with the death penalty.
In other words, forget it!
A.Attard
Feb 2nd 2011, 12:34
Only people who deserve it Mr Mifsud ?.Are you sure it has not killed innocent people throught the years?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent
Alex Ellul
Feb 2nd 2011, 14:29
So one can kill another illegally, but the state cannot kill legally. This is logic turned on its head. Let me give one exmple:
The Nuremberg trials resulted in the the condemning to and commuting of the death penalty to all the captured Nazi leaders their minions who were found responsible, directly or indirectly of the exterminations of millions and other such trocoities. Who would raise his hand against this decision? Those who would have opposed the death penalty in those times please stand up and be counted.
Chris Mifsud
Feb 1st 2011, 09:45
No to parole!! Life should mean life and if they think thats unfair then tough! The criminal should have thought about that before commiting the crime.
If they are senteced to 30 years then it should be 30 years and not 1 day less. These people should be ashamed of themselves trying to undo justice and have murderers and other criminals walking the streets.
patrick zammit
Feb 1st 2011, 09:40
It is the victims who should be behind bars, not the perpetrators!
malcolm seychell
Feb 1st 2011, 09:35
I think the so called conservatives and nationalists in the PN should resign now with these ultra socialists laws and not because of the introduction of divorce. So much for the values of the party!!!!
Parole should only be introduced only if suspended sentences are stopped immediately.
Raymond Sammut
Feb 1st 2011, 09:31
@ John Hirst
You are referring to a specific case. Franco Scoppola required professional medical assistance in order to meet the requirement of Art 3, namely, humane treatment while in detention. This specialized assistance could not be provided in a practical way while in prison.
The issue here is parole in general: given everything is equal, should parole be available to those receiving life imprisonment. The lobby group here claim that parole would be "beneficial" to the penal system and to society. No evidence to support their claim is provided, however. It's just a claim that they are making.
Unless the lobby group can provide evidence to support their claim, they should not be making this claim; and more importantly, Maltese lawmakers should not listen to them. Maltese lawmakers should listen instead to the interminable suffering of victims of crime and to the needs of people in detention in general. No-one should assume that people in detention would need parole more than they would need anything else.
m vella
Feb 1st 2011, 09:16
Parole is totally madness,if my mum was killed and her killer gets out on parole i'll end up in jail, for sure.From this parole thing ,criminals and lawyers are the only people that are going to gain.
S. Farrugia
Feb 1st 2011, 09:11
Yeah right!! Especially the serial killers, that are serving a life sentence. I think Mid-Dlam ghad-Dawl, are seeing to much light!!
A. Mizzi
Feb 1st 2011, 09:04
Give crime victims a break.... from further break-ins!
Isn't ithe suspended sentences and lenient sentences being dished not enough?
Giovanni Rizzo
Feb 1st 2011, 08:56
Possibli li mid-Dlam ghad Dawl ma jafux li l-kriminalita hi marda ereditarja?
Peter Korsten
Feb 1st 2011, 08:54
There should be the option of parole - but as an option. My native Netherlands actually raised the maximum limited sentence from 20 to 30 years, because one gets out effectively after 2/3rds of the sentence, and the gap between effectively 13.3 years and life in prison was too big. Because life means life. You can ask for a pardon after 20 years, but this has only been granted to terminally ill prisoners on compassionate grounds.
Not having the option of parole means that you think the justice system is perfect, and that never an unjustly harsh sentence is passed. That takes quite a lot of confidence.
M.Curmi
Feb 1st 2011, 08:07
Why don't we pay them weekend breaks in 5-star hotels as well..and while we're at it draw one of them by lot and send him for a one week stay in the 7 star hotel in Dubai?
J Farrugia
Feb 1st 2011, 08:02
No never. We cannot abuse the punishment system. They are there for life and that's the end to it. Before committing a crime - a horrible one at that - these criminals should think, if they know how! No mercy for these murderers and hardened criminals. They will only be allowed remissions when their dead victims resurrect from the dead and give their go-ahead. and that means never. Kordin is not the Hilton. It is more than enough that they have prison leave and other imbeccilities which cry shame on the legislators.
S.Fenech
Feb 1st 2011, 07:54
The fact that a life sentence is not really a life sentence, but a maximum number of years says it all. I do not agree with parole on such sentences (and have some reservations on others too, but can live with the proposal on that). In my opinion, a life sentence should be a life sentence nothing more nothing less, and as such, someone commiting a crime and prosecuted who is given a life sentence should be released from jail once his life ends. If this should not be the case, then remove the term "life sentence" and just give a number of years.
We live in a country, where we are sending people in prison for petty thefts (rather than give community work for such cases and thus return back something to the community) and allow for bigger criminals to walk out free through paroles. Now we have NGOs asking for people who are sentenced for life in prison to be released on parole (possibly after serving at least one third of their sentence). Now that is what I call INJUSTICE not JUSTICE...
Dennis Agius
Feb 1st 2011, 09:33
PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT NOWADAYS THE LIFE SENTENCE IS FOR LIFE
S.Fenech
Feb 1st 2011, 14:18
@Dennis Agius
Going through your comments, I just cannot understand which side are you taking. Are you against the parole for life sentenced prisoners or are you in favour. I made myself clear in my comment, I am all out against paroles especially for life sentences prisoners.
In your comments you are just sweeping from one side of the argument to another. Rather than SHOUTING at me and telling me to be informed, can you please inform us since when is a life sentence in Malta means that the prisoner leaves his cell once his life comes to an end?
Carmel Garcia
Feb 1st 2011, 07:21
Mulej, ghati l-parole lil dawk kollha li gew ikkundannati ghal-infern, ghax skond l-ghaqda mid-dlam ghal ma nafx x'hiex jisthoqqilhom hekk. U halluna, ghomor huwa ghomor, misshom hasbu qabel ma fattru. Jafuhom il-ligijiet u r-regoli.
Eric Camilleri
Feb 1st 2011, 09:41
No Mr Garcia. Criminals can't care less about Laws and Regulations. Besides that they have enough people out here fighting for their rights, pardoning them, excusing them, justifying their crime, glorifying them on certain TV programmes (igibulek qalbek perzuta) and wanting them to have more rights than the victims themselves. Now even parole !
John Hirst
Feb 1st 2011, 02:13
Recently, the ECtHR has ruled in Scoppola v Italy that the life sentence is a breach of human rights.
m azzopardi
Feb 1st 2011, 09:35
prove it !!???!!
Dennis Agius
Feb 1st 2011, 09:43
what does the ECTHR say about the slouthered victims, what are their rights, this is why the world is turning into HELL with people like you the ECTHR and other similar groups. I can say that you, had never got your best friend killed when he was doing his duty and tried to stop a hold up at a bank..... what is his right now, what would you say to his wife and mmost of all his three young kids, the last one of few months.
Can you explain. im waiting please.
M.Curmi
Feb 1st 2011, 13:15
@John Hirst
FYI the sentence this Court issued was NOT that the life imprisonment sentence is against human rights but that " the State should have either transferred the applicant to a better-equipped prison in order to avoid any risk of inhuman treatment or deferred execution of a sentence that had become tantamount to treatment contrary to art 3 of the Convention."
The defendant you mentioned was a person who assassinated his wife and injured his own son. He had asked to be judged in a summary procedure (expecting by doing so to receive a discount for his inhuman deeds)!
Andrew Camilleri
Feb 1st 2011, 00:00
Locking people up and not giving them a chance to reform is the easy solution for this problem. I believe that everyone after a certain amount of time should be given a chance for parole. If we want a better society we must at least try to improve it.
Dennis Agius
Feb 1st 2011, 09:51
Mr Camilleri wellcome back to this llovely Earth, how long had you been living on the moon......
one national TV, a talk was on and one of the persons who made some reports said that there are people (convicts) who had been admissioned at the so called Corrective Facility for more that 30 times What are the solutions for these guys.....
do you think or beleive that these guys are reformed?
have you been reading this site these last few days.........
If we want to have a better society we must turn the so called CORRECTIVE FACILITY into a PRISON once again. then it will be of a deterrant for these ANGLES.
Andrew Camilleri
Feb 1st 2011, 00:00
Locking people up and not giving them a chance to reform is the easy solution for this problem. I believe that everyone after a certain amount of time should be given a chance for parole. If we want a better society we must at least try to improve it.
Raymond Sammut
Jan 31st 2011, 23:12
How is parole "beneficial" to the penal system and to society? What factual evidence exists to support this claim?
Supposing that such evidence exists, it would remain to be shown whether parole is beneficial to the affected family and friends.
And more importantly, would we be told whether parole is beneficial to the prisoner themselves? How would society respond if society were told: "Evidence shows that parole is beneficial to the prisoner."
Parole could turn out to be "beneficial" to all parties; in which case there would be no contradiction in factual evidence, and the State had been doing something wrong all along.
frank grech
Jan 31st 2011, 22:58
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!
Eric Camilleri
Jan 31st 2011, 22:55
Tell that to the victims !
Karen Camilleri
Jan 31st 2011, 22:08
Mid Dlam ghad Dawl is doing its job. But please try to respect the victims's family too. First we hear about mediation between the criminal & its victim and now parole for the life sentenced. Do us a favour and be realistic. There are people who committeed mistakes & have a right to be reintegrated back but not killers. And all life sentenced prisoners committed cold blooded murders. So pls leave them behind the bars
Albert Spiteri
Jan 31st 2011, 21:53
I would suggest the re-introduction of capital punishment to replace life sentence. After all none us us saw a future with some crazy nit-group coming out with the nonsense suggestion of parole for life prisoners.
S Vella
Jan 31st 2011, 21:47
Jekk ma tridx tibqa gewwa taghmilx biex tidhol gewwa! Tippretendiex li meta int suppost qed tiskonta s-sentenza tieghek tohrog taghmel xi passiggata jew tnejn mal-gzira ckejkna taghna! Specjalment ghalll-dawk li ghandhom sentenza t'ghomorhom il-habs.
Wilfred L Camilleri
Jan 31st 2011, 21:44
Before life sentences there was the death penalty for those who commit heinous crimes. Being a civilized country, Malta doesn't have the death penalty and instead life sentences are given to those who deserve them. A life sentence means just that - life. Those who are given a life sentence should remain behind bars till they depart this life. Anything else is a travesty of justice for the victims and their families.
Mario Farrugia
Jan 31st 2011, 21:39
In a democracy, it is also true that citizens should be protected from criminal elements by the rule of law and due judical process. Paroling criminals with a history of dangerous crimes can unravel this basic tenet.
Joe scerri
Jan 31st 2011, 21:33
Tell that to the victims who are probably lying in a grave thanks to those you want to give parole to.
Maltese courts = bail , suspended sentences and now parole. What a farce.
charles miceli
Jan 31st 2011, 21:13
First of all I would like to make it clear that I'm all out for victim support. Besides the new law is not only about parole but aims to introduce restorative justice. This means that the emphasizes is not on punishing the offender but involving him in a process to repair the harm done by him or her behaviour.
Besides we must look forward to a new process where offenders aren't locked away for a number of years until they are released but they are assessed and given the help needed to reform and pay back for the harm done to the victim and to society.
Sentencing somebody for life doesn't make sense anymore. The person should be sentenced, say 30 years, eligible for parole after 20. This does not mean that he/she will be automatically be granted parole but the offender is motivated to change while in a corrective facility (not prison) and his/her progress is assessed by competent authorities on eligibility for parole.
RMangion
Jan 31st 2011, 20:56
For all the usual experts that post on timesofmalta.com
parole does not mean that they do not serve a sentence, if you consider the US example, sometimes they have to serve at least 30 years for example to be eligible for parole.
Geoffrey Mifsud Farrugia
Jan 31st 2011, 20:56
i have 2 suggestions at this point.
the first is that i propose we form another foundation and call it..mid-Dawl ghad-Dlam and all those who over the years where victims of crimes commited in Malta can be members so they also will have a lobby group and a voice in the society...since it seems that this is the only way one can be heard here!
The second proposal is more drastic. lets just close the prisons and let everyone free. The parole system is a slap on the face primarily to the victims, but also to the police force for their work and to the society at large.
Parole should be the exception and not the rule and only given to those who deserve it. Today's society is based on merit..wherever you go. this should also apply in prison.
It is true that parole is present in most countries, but so is the other side of the coin..that being that this brings insecurity and a drastic increase in normal people buying a gun and keeping it at home!
i dont agree with parole. everyone has a place in society. A prisoner's place is in prison.
MBorg
Jan 31st 2011, 20:52
Has everyone on this isl;and of ours gone mad ? How on earth can one grant parole to prisoners serving a life sentence ? A life sentence should mean just that - life. Parole is usualy given to prepare prisoners for life outside when their term is over. This does not , and should not include prisoners serving life.
Paul Konti
Feb 1st 2011, 09:35
Prosit. L-uniku kumment li verament jgħamel sens.
Joseph Schembri
Jan 31st 2011, 20:37
A wise man once said that a democratic society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. It seems many people are not particularly enamoured of this NGO but in a true democracy every person including those in jail must have a voice. That is where mid Dlam ghad Dawl are doing a sterling job.
Alex Ellul
Jan 31st 2011, 21:31
of course those in jail must have a voice: In jail.
J Oatmon
Feb 1st 2011, 05:44
You conveniently disregard the criminals victims in your attempts to show your humanity.
I think that parole should only be available to those criminals who fully compensate their victims, or families of their victims for their crimes (to the victims satisfaction). The victims families should have a voice at the parole hearings to state their preference regarding parole.
Otherwise if the 'violent arrogant criminals' do the crime - they do the time and no parole (except for minor non violent crimes etc).
SPace
Feb 1st 2011, 08:04
No problem. As long as they remain reasonable. In this case, they are not.
lucia davies
Feb 1st 2011, 09:21
This is similar to the clandestine issue,, we gave them all the rights and they invaded us . if these prisoners where given life, their case must have been very serious, like murder, so are we to have these people out ,maybe to commit another, my only hope is that they are really reformed, before they are allowed out
CZarb
Jan 31st 2011, 20:36
Giving parole to life sentence criminals will force people to take justice in their hands.
j jibiri
Jan 31st 2011, 20:27
The only time ill agree to parole is when i can parole my murdered friend from the grave. That can never happen so why should they be given chance from freedom. They have to pay for their consequences.
d. borg
Jan 31st 2011, 20:21
U halluna! Hafna nies lanqas mal-parole system ma jaqblu ahseb u ara tohrog criminali jergaw jigru mas-saqajn. U fil-vittmi ta dawn in-nies ma jahsbux dawn jew ghalihom il-hazin jirrenja iktar mit-tajjeb.
malcolm seychell
Jan 31st 2011, 20:18
Minister please take note. The absolute majority of people are against parole. If you want the votes of the members of mid dlam ghad dawl and not of honest citizens change your direction.
Mario Farrugia
Jan 31st 2011, 20:12
Two thoughts.
First: Parole contradicts a "life" sentence.
Second: One wonders how the relatives of the victims would feel knowing that the murderers of their loved ones are out on the streets breathing fresh air.
J Pace
Jan 31st 2011, 20:10
A life sentence, is as the name implies, a life sentence!!!
Forget parole.
Before committing a criminal act, criminals should think twice.
It is already a pain that we have the suspended sentence which is creating havoc
and advocating crime. All we need now is for a life sentence to be pardoned!!!
Rather than protecting criminals, Mid Dlam ghad Dawl should start protecting VICTIMS!
joseph mifsud
Jan 31st 2011, 20:07
jien ma naqbilx mal parole.jekk zbaljaw irridu jiehdu dak li haqom.il crimes f dan il pajjiz tizdied qeda mhux tonqos.
Dennis Agius
Jan 31st 2011, 19:49
This means you want the serial killers out roaming our streets again.....
u halluna, ahjar tbiddlu l-isem tal ghaqda MID DAWL GHAD DLAM hbieb.
qed iggibu il prigunerija cajta jew hrafa minn ta Ezopu.
malcolm seychell
Jan 31st 2011, 19:45
Shame on you. Life sentences are given for a reason
You should call your organisation mid dlam ghall aktar dlam.
Parole is totally madness.
RMangion
Jan 31st 2011, 20:58
I repeat what I said earlier on,
however I add shame on you for posting such a comment without considering facts. Parole does not mean that prisoners do not serve a sentence, sometimes they have to serve 20,25, or more before being eligible for parole.
And let's be realistic do you think that 20 years+ is a lenient sentence ?
George Farrugia
Feb 1st 2011, 08:40
People talk about parole.No one talks about the psycological effect it leaves on the victims.It might take a long time to recover and live normal again.Before given a sentence many things are taken into consideration.Does the culprit consider such things,like the harm being done to the victim? I do not think so.You can buy material things.But health no.So let him pay have for what he worked for.When it happens to you ,you understand a lot better to what I mean.