Migrant has finger bitten off in quarrel over washing basin
A female illegal immigrant had part of a finger bitten off by another migrant woman in an argument over wash basin water, a court was told today.
Amran Abdi Sheik Ahmed, 25 and Nasra Mohammed Khalif, 23, both Somali, argued over who should be next to wash her clothes at the wash basin available to them yesterday at about 3 p.m.
Nasra bit off half of one of Amran fingers and Amran then bit her cheek.
Police inspector Priscilla Caruana testified that both injuries were considered serious.
Magistrate Miriam Hayman condemned the migrants to a one year prison sentence suspended for two years.
The two woman, who each have two small children, have now been discharged from the Hal Far open centre, where the fight took place (and not Marsa as previously reported).
The children have been able to stay with their fathers at the centre.
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Joe Xuereb
Jan 21st 2011, 14:34
Apologies. I should never have said I was sure (of anything). Indeed, how stupid of me to assume anything (I've been called stupid on these pages only recently by one who purports to be a friend. I've been called worse, much worse in my time and I've learned to live with such 'consequences'). That said, surely most everyone(??) has witnessed an incident of road-rage. Unless of course they live in a cave. And in the case of a female troglodyte (that's a cave-dweller), he, outside, would not let her, inside, out (if you see what I mean). And often he bites her lest she, inside, feels she is uncared for; he loves her, really. Give me another black and blue addition to my necklace dear. show me that you have eyes only for me and not that hairy hussy down the valley.Now THAT is what I call funny, Chantelle.
Goitom Yosief, you're keeping well man?!
Joe Xuereb
Jan 21st 2011, 11:09
@Chantelle Mifsud. Chantelle, this was no love-bite. This was more a manifestation of what happens in scientific laboratories - two rats are put in a confined space (read, detention centre) and see what happens. To bite another person - as in man bites dog - may or may not be primitive. These days there are treatments called anger management available for that kind of rage. Some people are amenable and some are not. I am sure you have heard of road-rage when biting the owner of the other car is option, or much much worse than a bite, with not a teaspoon of love anywhere in sight.
No apologies for a lengthy response. I am so not into shallow one-liners. You may not appreciate it but hopefully, someone else might.
Chantelle Mifsud
Jan 21st 2011, 12:42
Hi Joe,
I know this isn t funny at all , but i can t stop laughing .really.
so your sayin that is a matter of personal space , right ? What do you recommend joe ?
well yeah , it could be .
nope , never heard of road rage :)
Chantelle Mifsud
Jan 21st 2011, 09:03
So what , Everyone fights .
Minn jigdem Ihobb :)
aron busuttil
Jan 21st 2011, 10:44
ux !!! :)
M. Falzon
Jan 21st 2011, 09:01
Some immigrants think that we asked for them to come here - they came here - they should be grateful we are giving them a second home, a new better life all free of charge. But instead they moan about racism - yet it's true most maltese are racists but not only towards coloured people, they're "racist" towards nearly everybody else - homosexuals, physically and mentally disabled people, the South (hamalli) -North (tal-pepe) conflicts and so much more - all of these, even if they are of pure maltese blood tend to find it tough to be included in the maltese society "as a whole". Unfortunately, hatred and prejudice have always been a part of the maltese native and nobody can erase them.
Joe Xuereb
Jan 20th 2011, 20:52
3) I'm saying all this Yosief simply to show that total acceptance by everybody, anytime, anywhere will never happen because it's not the human's nature to do so. Sorry, it's called a reality check. With qualifications recognised in Britain I worked for the Government paying full taxes and then ome. There was talk of Malta being integrated with Britain then(1960s). I discussed this with senior colleagues and one, gently by decisively, retorted, did I expect Britain to subsidise Malta forever (because of one commitment)? I didn't understand then - I wasn't even 20 - but I do now. Eventually Malta was let loose and did very well thanks to British style know-how where it mattered. Malta is now being unreasonably tested. Britain isn't perfect but it helped me to unshackle myself from too many parochial notions and for that I'm grateful. Britain gave me but I reciprocated, and how! And to quote a very true British dictum: 'If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem'. Open to interpretation and scrutiny but there you are. The proof of the pudding's in the eating.
Make of this what you will Yosief. Be yourself and believe in yourself.
Joe Xuereb
Jan 20th 2011, 20:28
2) Yosief, you make it sound as if the problem is only slight and could be resolved with a little goodwill. Africans etc. in Maltese detention centre must not fall in self-entrapment and blame all their ills in the Maltese authorities. Maybe some European States have skeletons in their cupboards in relation to some African countries (and Malta was at the receiving end of this don't forget). Malta is owed and owes nothing. Interesting that any number of African States have not fared very well since they asked for, and got, independence.
I came to UK when still in my teens and worked all the time until recently. I suffered xenophobia particularly because my characteristics seemed too Italian (1960s and still smarting after WWII - some opendly defended me: 'he's only a boy'. Sure, I integrated in leaps and bounds after that but never totally. I did what the Romans do but not totally. I was not prepared to relinquish myself entirely and there's a price to pay for that. Many English people don't particularly like other Englanders - that's normal anywhere. If anything, my foreignness stood me in good stead with enough people.
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Joe Xuereb
Jan 20th 2011, 20:03
1) Goitom Yosief, you sound like a decent chap and much more so than many Maltese people. I have met and mixed and HAVE wonderful friendships with 'black' people over a long period in UK. Problems seem to follow wherever there are racial mixtures. London has its problems on this front just like Malta. But Malta is much smaller so things tend to get magnified. The negativity is a two way street by the way.
I am glad you are or feel integrated and I hope you don't say that because it suits you feel you are. Acceptance can be very fickle in any case. Many Maltese, QUITE NATURALLY, are 'racist' towards their own kind (as I explained earlier). I am sure that you yourself are kindly disposed towards other Eritreans but not all. This is human nature. To think otherwise is wishful-thinking I regret to say. Not forgetting that examples of white against white there are aplenty. And I imagine atrocities between black people themselves exist too. Especially in a restricted place with emotions running high
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Goitom Yosief
Jan 20th 2011, 16:18
2 - I am from Eritrea, well integrated and with subsidiary protection (though in the eyes of some people I am illegal). What I find challenging is not my cultural background or my ability to integrate but the policies of exclusion and unequal treatment we face on various levels of our daily life.
CFarrugia
Jan 20th 2011, 18:24
@Goitom Yosief
very good comment by the way. the sad thing about this discussion is that very few people who wrote comments discussed the fact how appalling conditions in these open centres are if people there end up fighting so aggressively over a basin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and the few people who commented on this , they in turn got attacked as regards their comments with people telling them to go to Africa and help them there and such stuff!!!the fact is that it must be quite difficult to get to a water basin with flowing water there if such a fight ensued. we shoudl see that the conditions in such centres are humane too. this is what shoudl come out of such articles not the racist comments of some!!!!!!!!!
H.Feruffe
Jan 20th 2011, 20:29
Yosief Sir, i would have thought you realize by now that the Majority of the Maltese are Racsits, mostly due to illiteracy and the inability to comprehend how the other half lives, until it concerns them and their pockets ( their favourite pastime) we seem it in Malta and we see also on the island of Gozo, Money taxes? and howmuch one can they get from eu subs, and not forgetting the word snobbery. Hannie Newfoundland
Henry Tozer
Jan 20th 2011, 23:48
I once witnessed a friend try to pay for a bus ticket with a 5 euro note. Obviously the driver wanted nothing to do with it, so my friend was going to be forced to miss the bus home and go to change his bill. as he got off the bus he saw me and I offered him change for the bus. At the same time an African man, out of a queue of 5 maltese people, also offered him change.
That goes to show how well educated and kind Maltese people are (here come the arguments that I can't judge based on one incident) hmmmmm
Goitom Yosief
Jan 20th 2011, 16:18
1 - A simple dictionary definition of racism is “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”. Some people would say ‘I am not racist but…’ there is nothing more racist than considering yourself, your way of life, your culture superior to others, concluding about all African migrants over a single incident which happened between two women, concluding that if you are an African migrant then you are illiterate, unskilled, criminal, primitive, illegal and so on. Some people have never interacted with African migrants and possibly they never will. Yet they have certain images in their minds which they hold to be “true” and become experts in commenting and explaining about cultures, peoples lives, whether migrants have the ability to integrate or not etc… by putting all migrants who come from the very diverse African continent in one package.
To some people the individual is not visible. Colour or race or any other category is enough to describe the individual’s character and whole being. Where are these perceptions coming from? Please let’s ask ourselves.
S Vella
Jan 20th 2011, 14:55
@ C Farrugia
Il-kummenti kemm li hallejt jien u kemm li hallejt inti kollha ghadhom hawn u wiehed jista jara u jiggudika min beda t-taghjjir. Jien La lilek u lil hadd ma ghajjart!
Kont inti li direttament indirizzajt il kument tieghek lili:
@SVella
wiccek tost ukoll tghid.......
Dan kien il-kumment tieghi:
Ghandu ragun il-poplu Malti ma jixtieqx jithallat u jiftah ghal dawn it-tip ta "nies" Multi kulturali....
Ahna niprettendu li nimxu l-quddiem mhux lura ghal zmien il-Hagar!
Agir bhal dan, fejn mara tigdem parti min seba' ta mara ohra u ta l-ahhar tirrispondi billi tigdima lura fil warda ta wicca huwa agir ta nies primittivi IVA, pero ma jfissirx li n-nies li gejjin minn pajjizi Afrikani huma kollha primittivi. Nistiedenek tikkwota fejn jiena ghidt dan!!!
Were was I implying that people in African countries are living like zmien il-hagar?????????
LET ME TRANSLATE WHAT I WROTE IN ENGLISH MAYBE YOU MISSUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE : "WE EXPECT TO ADVANCE IN LIFE NOT GO BACK TO STONE AGE TIMES"
WERE IN MY SENTENCE DID I SAY THAT PEOPLE LIVING IN AFRICAN COUNTRIES ARE LIVING LIKE ZMIEN IL-HAGAR????
Hopefully my translation will help you understand my comment better!!
Sean Grima
Jan 20th 2011, 15:21
iddahhaqx, anki maltin jaghmlu affarijiet bhal dawn:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080219/local/charged-with-biting-off-ear.
S Vella
Jan 21st 2011, 11:42
@ Sean Grima
Ma tantx hi tad dahk.......
Jien fuq dan ir-rapport qieghed nikkumenta.
Kull min jagixxi b'dan il-mod, sew jekk Malti, Inglis, Ciniz, Indjan etchuwa barbaru u primittiv.
NISPERA LI TAQBEL MIEGHI GHAX JEKK TIGGUSTIFIKA MGIEBA BHAL DIN.......
Sean Grima
Jan 26th 2011, 09:56
since you seem to have missed my earlier comment, i will quote part of it here: "whilst agreeing that biting off part of another person's body is primitive, this is by no means limited to migrants, as may be seen from this report: http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080219/local/charged-with-biting-off-ear."
S Vella
Jan 27th 2011, 14:46
@Sean Grima
Good!! so finally you agreed that this behaviour is nothing but primitive NO MATTER WHO DOES IT!
In this case Migrants should be more cortious as they are in a foreign land were they are give shelter and what their own home land did not give them.
To give you a simple example....It is normal and understood that persons quarell and argue at home and hopefully find a compromise, never using agressive behaviour, but it is not understood that if a couple have an argument upon an issue they disagree about they leave it to when they are invited to a friends house, let alone fight and be agressive at their friends home!! I am sure you agree that that is much worse
Joe Xuereb
Jan 20th 2011, 12:00
3) I've lived in a multiracial society for fifty years, largely problem-free. The problem starts when one feels one's space (quality-of-life) is being affected. And when the 'invader'(of whatever colour) happens to be of dubious provenance, actual or in the mind, then one has to kick up a fuss in order to survive. Anybody with any self-respect would think likewise.
The secret for harmonious living, be it within a family (obviously no race question there) and the wider multicultural community is to keep your nose clean and your nose down. Why, it's not even necessary to like a sibling to 'get on' with them. All this is so obvious it's ridiculous. And of course, for harmony to come about, everybody has to pull their weight. The minute one starts to feel being an underdog, especially if the poor wretch is in his/her own country, the whole harmony thing will start to fall apart at the seams; not a nice feeling because living with conflict is to detrimantal to one's well-being. And a hundred signed conventions to sustain the unsustainable will be to no avail.
Bill Khan
Jan 20th 2011, 11:55
Nothing to do with multiculturalism and one wonders which stupid idiot coined this word to start with.
Conflicts can and do take place in and among any cultures or within the same family.
It is simply result(s) of conflcit arising through our animalistic instincts of the past millions of years. When confronted with what we perceive as danger, competition we either distance our selves('flight') or become agressive (fight), the two instincts of survival useful in the prehistoric times. As human beings today we have come a long way. All what is required is dialogue, and listening not only to the words of others but listening to their feelings also.
If we do that with people of our own colour or black yellow or brown, any conflict is bound to fail. Married couple going through difficult time too can benfit immensly through dialogue rather than becoming victims of 'flight' or 'fight' wrong reflexes (once useful millions of years ago)
. We constantly get irritated by our colleagues , family members or complete strangers most ofthe time. Multiculturalism is not to blame but our own inability to confront conflcit of any sort between any colour and between any relationships
Joe Xuereb
Jan 20th 2011, 11:45
2) ........ever so. People are choosey who they mix with. And it has nothing to do with skin colour. Religion is also a great barrier. Two individuals may get on like a house on fire. Unfortunately, once they start to put their foot down defending their religion, the relationship flounders. As we say, when in Rome, do as....... Fine words! But in practice?
So you see - nothing, but nothing, to do with racism.
So remember, anybody who tells you that all Maltese integrate seamlessly among themselves is a lying hound. Human survival instincts dictate whom we choose to go around with, eat with, sleep with, have children with. We are naturally choosey. And when we make the wrong choice, we pay the price.
Accepting anybody unconditionally is about as practical as turning-the-other-cheek. Possible in some NeverNeverLand but regretfully, not on terra firma.
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Joe Xuereb
Jan 20th 2011, 11:05
1) I've noticed that everytime anyone highlights a foreigner's misbehaviour being detrimental to Malta and the Maltese, it is guaranteed that some smart Alec will retort by reminding them 'what would you say if the misbehaving idiot were Maltese?'. This is predictable, primitive, puerile and insidious. And stupidly manipulative, doing a lot of damage to all around in the process.
We are all the time told to treat everybody equally, help everybody integrate (our religious leaders are past masters at this, plus their supporters. Get real!). This highlights a very important 'food-for-thought'. We have here two women, same nationality. They could as well kill each other over a bowl of water. Personally, I do not think they have the wherewithal to integrate among themselves never mind with a people like the Maltese who couldn't be more different. Of course (may I preempt the usual knee-jerk) we have murderous Maltese who are unbalanced enough. But that's so not the point. These economic migrants will never, ever seamlessly integrate with anybody,be they Maltese or Madrilenos. Exactly for the very same reason that some Maltese will never reach out to some Maltese. It has been ever so.
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EDWIN DE MARCO
Jan 20th 2011, 11:01
What's the buzz all about. She still has nine other fingers left. On the road I've been given the middle finger quite often. I've saved these for future transplants.........
Robert Agius
Jan 20th 2011, 10:31
part 2
Another thing that should me made pretty clear too. We are facing a problem of illegal migration. That is different, not only that but even causes problems to multiculturalism. The former being the problem to both nations and multiculturalism.
Robert Agius
Jan 20th 2011, 10:27
I can't understand how people talk about the problems of multiculturalism. As far as I can read they are both from the same place - Somalia. Now, it is definitely not a nice thing to do but lets take a look at other recent events -
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110117/local/accused-of-trying-to-injure-his-father
no comments here.
Let me make it clear as to WHY multiculturalism doesn't work in MOST instances (not all, usually those without a life - Most cowardly people fear what they don't know. They don't try to learn anything new. They find solace in their same old boring and monotonous life, within their clan, and justify anything by what they hear and read (what do you expect to read in a newspaper other than sensationalism?) rather than from their own experience (terribly limited). Yes, this is true for ALL RACES. Maybe if people opened up a little, tried to mingle and learn (especially in an age of information), they would soon realize that you find the nice and not so nice people EVERYWHERE. Lack of integration breathes this FEAR but please remember - YOU, THOSE ANTI - MULTICULTURALISM (ironically in an age of globalization), ARE THE WEAKEST LINK.
R.E. Saliba
Jan 20th 2011, 10:21
In this article there is no difference between 'migrant' and 'illegal immigrant'?
Since when has the law changed?
The title should read 'Illegal immigrant has finger.....'.
I'm talking legal jargon not humanistic dialogue.
A spade is a spade.
A Bezzina
Jan 20th 2011, 10:46
If you want to speak legal jargon, it would help if you get it right! As has been mentioned a million times, the moment a person lands on Malta and asks for asylum, they are NOT illegal, and therefore referring to them as illegal immigrants is WRONG! Migrants is the right term ... yes, the Times would know what the right term is, even if you don't!
And for those of you who have been sitting in your comfy chairs talking about how these people should be sent back to their countries, it would help if you read what is happening in Tunisia at present! And remember that Tunisia was, until a couple of weeks ago, considered one of the most stable countries in Africa!! Read ... inform yourselves ... and THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!
D Grech
Jan 20th 2011, 08:56
I am not saying that what this woman did was right, far from it, though if I were an asylum seeker And NOT an 'illegal immigrant' a person may come here illegally, though the second they apply for asylum are no longer here illegally!
Back to my point. If I were living in those conditions and have gone through the hell these women went through in their country, during their trip and now in a centre in the middle of nowhere in Hal Far, I could say no more. Though I will say more: sadly I have no idea what many of us would do as a result of this frustration. All we need to do is read the comments that I read on this newspaper, many people like to grumble and complain about almost everything, and mostly for slightest issues even for the positive news many find what to complain about. This shocks me.
Unfortunately it is easy to forget how not everyone can deal with never ending tragedy and trauma well and many take their relatively easy and safe lives for granted! :(
Sean Grima
Jan 19th 2011, 23:09
as usual a good number of racists are using a single incident in order to try and justify their racism.
whilst agreeing that biting off part of another person's body is primitive, this is by no means limited to migrants, as may be seen from this report: http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080219/local/charged-with-biting-off-ear.
Robert Callus
Jan 19th 2011, 20:11
From a fight between two women, arguments here turned not only on their nationality buy multiculturalism in genera. Angela Merkel was also mentioned for her famous comment on 'multikulti'. As a centre-right politician, Merkel is partially responsible towards globalization (hence multiculturalism).
Yet the most she could come up with was telling migrant communities to learn German:
http://robertcallus.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/multiculturalism-globalization-and-the-elite/
albert muscat
Jan 19th 2011, 19:59
He forgave the sinners and His followers got stuck with a bitten finger and showing all types of hatred!
First class HYPOCRISY!
Louise Vella
Jan 19th 2011, 18:07
Do you remember those newspaper articles, inspired by some do gooder NGO, which started: "So and so from Somalia, an engineer by profession ..." or "a psychiatrist by profession who has lost his certificates on his way from Eritrea".
G. Cassar
Jan 19th 2011, 19:13
So basically you're saying that all Maltese people have the same profession, right?
j n ebejer marsaskala
Jan 19th 2011, 22:05
So? What has you concluding anything connected to this incident? Have you been involved with the life case of any of the two involved and so you can enlighten us?
Or is it the case that you permit yourself to defame someone or many just because he or they are not in a position to sue?
A Bezzina
Jan 19th 2011, 22:25
It is unfortunate that the negative news on migrants has completely taken over; it seems that the media is only interested in talking about the stories that portray migrants in a negative manner. You are right Louise ... we need to hear more of the heartrending real life stories of migrants that we used to read about years ago in order to get the true picture!
Sean Grima
Jan 19th 2011, 23:02
the maltese courts are full of this kind of bickering. get real.
oliver mallia
Jan 19th 2011, 17:09
Is it finger food or fish finger?
m.ellul
Jan 19th 2011, 17:55
isa hej, Dahhaqtna !!!!
Mickiel Sciberras
Jan 20th 2011, 04:21
But the real question is, was the finger "hallal'?
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 16:53
Isn't it also ironic that a Maltese national one criticises multi culturalism in EBglish? lol..I m enjoying this...
Carmel Scicluna
Jan 19th 2011, 17:18
Jeremy J Camilleri your argument holds no water since we are writing our argument on an English newspaper.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 20th 2011, 10:31
English being a foreign language introduced through multculturism..
Just because you don;t get it ddoesnt mean it doesn;t hold water.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 16:50
It only takes a feature on migrants to prove my point that Maltese people do not even know what Roman Catholic values are...Thanks !: )
GiovDeMartino
Jan 19th 2011, 17:34
How do the catholic values come in Mr. Camilleri?
j n ebejer marsaskala
Jan 19th 2011, 22:17
It could be proving many things, more than one actually. That either you cannot follow any form of logic, cannot understand the comments written here, you cannot avoid to generalise on people, you have no idea of Roman Catholicsm or you could be trying to pass a message unrelated to the context but failing miserably.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 20th 2011, 10:36
Your comment proves my point Jn EBejer..thanks again..If rascism and xenophobia have a place in the Roman Catholic religion, could you kindly enlighten me as to which chapter and verse of the new testament are these references found?
Just a hint, seeing that you're caught in the dark....
Luke 10:25-28
25And one day an authority on the law stood up to put Jesus to the test. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to receive eternal life?”
What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you understand it?” 27He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your strength and with all your mind.’(Deuteronomy 6:5) And, ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ” 28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do that, and you will live.”.
It is logical..but as you so rightly pointed out, some folks just don't get logic, or clear messages.
j n ebejer marsaskala
Jan 20th 2011, 14:30
Ok. Let me spoon feed. You see Mr Camilleri, I was referring to your cemments vis a vis us Maltese.
If you go through the comments you will see that there comments which stand up for the respect of those involved in this incident, irrespectively of their deeds. (This, concesely, is what your quote say ) including my own placed earlier on.
So your conclusions re Maltese are illogical, because not all those here have expressed the same values -on the contrary these are diametrically opposed.
Get it ? Do not generalise, against no one, least being against fellow Maltese. If you have some grudge re- R. Catholiscm speak out. But be honest. Don't disguise your agenda.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 20th 2011, 17:18
Grudge against Catholicism? not per se..against religious bigots who claim that they are Catholic and that everyone should live by their rules? Perhaps.
One tends to get used to the names...A good many folks here posting rascist comments are usually on these same pages telling us how the introduction of divorce goes against 'our' Catholic beliefs.
Respect for those commiting these deeds? Yesm for to err is human...Respect for their deed(not deeds) no...but we've had worse from Maltese without our judging them for being Maltese...Like all those who commit a crime, irrespective of nationality, they must now pay the penalty. The simplicity of the system is astounding!
You tend to use bombastic words, but it would be better to use simple words and spell them out correctly...alas, for some people, no ammount of spoon feeding will manage to produce a result!.
j n ebejer
Jan 21st 2011, 11:57
That's better.
You have used yourself simple words like 'some' and have defined the category whose actions you disapprove although their views on divorce here have got nothing to do and whilst one could have unacceptable convictions on one isuue he could be right on others.
So be patient with them and avoid prejeduces(spelt right?) against no one. Including us Catholics bigots and not. (you still can find some valid ones you know amongst us).
I promise to heed your advice re choice and check spelling of words.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 21st 2011, 14:45
Good man...always take advice....I did try to simplify matters..not enough for you to get it..oh well....
One wonders, what is a Catholic 'country' anyway?
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 21st 2011, 14:47
oh..and I didn't use some, but a good many...
John J. Galea Axiak
Jan 19th 2011, 16:22
"A true man hates no one. "
Napoleon Bonaparte
Sonia Zammit
Jan 19th 2011, 16:57
Stop daydreaming John J. Galea Axiak and be a realist not an utopian.
J Oatmon
Jan 19th 2011, 17:09
Obviously this woman hated the other woman - I see no excuse, racial, social or otherwise for biting of a chunk of someone's finger - do you excuse this?
Claire Busuttil
Jan 19th 2011, 16:15
OH MY GOD....!!!.....was she so hungry???>...they are given food but!?!
Steve Jones
Jan 19th 2011, 16:52
Is that the best you can do? Don't give up your day job for a future in comedy.....PLEASE!
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 20th 2011, 10:44
Never end a sentence with but....Thats Malglish..oops..multiculturism again!
j n ebejer marsaskala
Jan 19th 2011, 15:29
There could be many reasons why this has happened but I do feel the conditions in which these people have found themselves living in affects the way they act.
It must be a sad, desperate and difficult life to live in such centres without any hope for them and their children's.
Vis a vis culture and civilised, it is curious how our flawed our criteria can be. We have a culture which we refer to as civilised yet, we fail to admit it very often acts in a most brutal and inhumane fashion. We have experienced the world's worst wars over a period of 50 years? with the most atrocious and hedious of crimes.
It is just the 20% of the world's population yet it consumes 80% of the world's wealth, contaminating and jeopardising the very existence on earth, threatening all with horrible death.
It cries out loud it has a right to destroy the undesirable or the imperfect even before they are born. No wonder there is no place for others. There is not even enough place for our wants and desires. Humanity itself has become too tight for us.
Shirley Caruana
Jan 19th 2011, 15:19
Dear Adriano, God forbid you'd ever find yourself, like these poor souls, living in such distressing conditions. Unfortunately, this is a result of major frustration ... and although it doesn't justify violence, I do however admire the fact that this incident is yet a rare one.
I can only express my most hearty, inward, tender and compassionate concern for these people who are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Paul Falzon
Jan 19th 2011, 15:27
FYI: We have *many* maltese living worse then these people.
It's not about stressful condition, it's about culture and mentality
George Fenech
Jan 19th 2011, 15:44
Your missionary school is waiting for you in Timbuctoo Shirley Caruana
Muscat D
Jan 19th 2011, 16:07
Don't believe everything you read about their distressing conditions. Some of them make it up because they think we Europeans are a soft touch....and they're right.
Here is one such person. Claims she was raped. Reality was a bit different.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347297/Somali-250k-benefits-cheat-Ayan-Abdulle-described-Britain-land-easy-money.html
Sean Grima
Jan 19th 2011, 23:04
ah, but one swallow a summer does not make
Stephen Koludrovic
Jan 19th 2011, 14:52
So now we have 2 irritated husbands with no wives to play with, 2 kids each to take care of, and to boot to do the washings themselves.
Sean Grima
Jan 19th 2011, 23:05
seeing you have so much time on your hands, you might wish to consider helping out.
Shirley Caruana
Jan 19th 2011, 14:45
@ Jeremy J. Camilleri .. Very well said Jer !!! I totally agree.. Hope Mr Adriano Spiteri gets to read your comment.
Adriano Spiteri
Jan 19th 2011, 15:22
Read and answered
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 14:42
@SVella
wiccek tost ukoll tghid ma rridx immorru lura ghal zmien il hagar. why judge their behaviour as being primitive? do you think the Maltese are much more decent? they are capable of doing bad things too and primitive things too ta like Jeremy Camilleri very well mentioned. I think you are a bit pretentious. Compared to other more developed countries than us, we are also in zmien il hagar ta, but I do not think you would like people from more developed countries calling us primitive and from zmien il hagar. it is all relative.
Bonello David
Jan 19th 2011, 15:12
Tkellem ghalik sur c. farrugia. Il maggoranza tal maltin qedin jghixu fit 2011 mux bhalek u xi whud min shabek.
Roger Tanti
Jan 19th 2011, 15:23
Whether or not maltese can do worse deeds its not up to you, we can only comment on facts and the fact is that by biting each other these somalis are acting like primitive people, wether you like it or not. Facts are facts
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 15:26
@bonello david
speak for yourself ta not for the maggoranza tal maltin!!!! what does the year in which you think I am living have to do with it?I am living in the same country and same year as you afterall
Philip Cassar
Jan 19th 2011, 15:41
CFarrugia it's you who must speak for yourself because all the polls have consistently shown that more than 90% want the illegal immigrants out of Malta, so you are in the tiny minority Mr/Mrs CFarrugia.
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 15:57
@philip cassar
as an answer to your statement, can u please read the comment I wrote below? to answer Samanta Grima
Felix Ebejer
Jan 19th 2011, 16:07
CFarrugia since you seem to want to keep the illegal immigrants here in Malta, may I ask what interest you have in keeping the illegal immigrants here?
Philip Cassar
Jan 19th 2011, 16:09
CFarrugia are you implying that we want to mass murder any race? Conventions can be repealed and the Refugee Convention specifically provides that States can repeal it because no country wants to be bound to provide for any number of illegal immigrants who enter it on the pretext of asylum.
S Vella
Jan 19th 2011, 16:49
@ C Farrugia
Nahseb aktar inti wiccek tost sur Farrugia ghax fejn xi hadd jikteb u juri li ma jaqbilx mieghek inti lest biex tghajjru tost jew "Speak for yourself"
I think even you should speak for yourself and if you are ready to defend such behaviour no wonder you write what you write.
Yes biting off a finger and the other bit off her check is primitive behaviour.
I did not write that we do not have Maltese citizens who behave wrongly but I am sure that if we are to interact we expect to interact with Humans from whom we can learn and they can learn from us and improve not decline. Two negatives do not make a positive!
I am sure that if you have children you want to see them interact with civilsed persons who help them improve not tell them PROSET if you see them with children who are future criminals, and it is the same with society if we want a healthier society for the future and for our kids. I did not critisise all immigrants, I critsised the behaviour in this case!!
All this happened over a washing basin....
S Vella
Jan 19th 2011, 17:08
@ C Farrugia (cont)
If you are willing to go back to stone age you are free to do so but we are always boasting that we are Europenas now and EU members so looking ahead to improve to the level of those countries that are better than us.
As you said there are countries which are better than us that might look down on us and think we are primitive in your opinion, but we live our way in our home land and I do not think we act primitive in any way, but these women did these primitve biting off in our country, were we gave them shelter and were you expect them to interact with us.
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 17:22
@Svella
inti wkoll qed tghidli li jien wicci tost Sur/sinjura Vella jigifieri ma tantx inti ahjar minni lanqas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Naqra kontradittorja l -bicca tghidli li nghajjar in nies u li nghidilhom wicchom tost u fl -istess hin tghid lili li jien wicci tost!?!?!?!?
S Vella
Jan 20th 2011, 09:41
@ C Farrugia
Kont inti li uzajt lingwagg ta tghajjir sur/sinjura Farrugia,u ma kontx kapaci tiddiskuti b'mod matur u pacifiku, ghaldaqstant ma hallejtli ebda ghazla hlief li nwiegbek bl-istess mod, ghax jien ma hadtx gost bil mod kif indirizzajtni u ghalhekk dewwaqtek ftit mill-istess medicina tieghek.....u jidher li l-anqas inti ma hadd gost bijha ;) !!!!!!!!!
CFarrugia
Jan 20th 2011, 11:15
@SVella
Skuzi ta , it -tghajjir bdejtu inti mhux jien meta ghidt li dawn in nies jghixu fi zmien il-hagar. You were implying people in African countries are living like zmien il-hagar. One should not make such comments that is all, at least that is what I think. They are people like you and me, no matter what country they originate from. That was my point.
S Vella
Jan 21st 2011, 08:52
@ C Farrugia
Il-kummenti kemm li hallejt jien u kemm li hallejt inti kollha ghadhom hawn u wiehed jista jara u jiggudika min beda t-taghjjir. Jien La lilek u lil hadd ma ghajjart!
Kont inti li direttament indirizzajt il kument tieghek lili:
@SVella
wiccek tost ukoll tghid.......dan kif bdejt int!
Dan kien il-kumment tieghi:
Ghandu ragun il-poplu Malti ma jixtieqx jithallat u jiftah ghal dawn it-tip ta "nies" Multi kulturali....
Ahna niprettendu li nimxu l-quddiem mhux lura ghal zmien il-Hagar!
Agir bhal dan, fejn mara tigdem parti min seba' ta mara ohra u ta l-ahhar tirrispondi billi tigdima lura fil warda ta wicca huwa agir ta nies primittivi IVA, pero ma jfissirx li n-nies li gejjin minn pajjizi Afrikani huma kollha primittivi. Nistiedenek tikkwota fejn jiena ghidt dan!!!
Were was I implying that people in African countries are living like zmien il-hagar?????????
LET ME TRANSLATE WHAT I WROTE IN ENGLISH MAYBE YOU MISSUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE : "WE EXPECT TO ADVANCE IN LIFE NOT GO BACK TO STONE AGE TIMES"
WERE IN MY SENTENCE DID I SAY THAT PEOPLE LIVING IN AFRICAN COUNTRIES ARE LIVING LIKE ZMIEN IL-HAGAR????
Hopefully my translation will help you understand my comment better!!
Adriano Spiteri
Jan 19th 2011, 14:24
@Ms Herold
"What has Angela Merkel got to do with it?"
In this country, he who speaks against immigration and multi-culturalism is considered a racist.
Not that I care about others' opinions... but as a German PM I think she's far from racist.
That fact that she had to admit that it failed means that our Government is obstinately forcing us to mix with these people.
The Opportunists in power (daily news confirms they really are!), lack a spine to send them back to bundu.
carmel debono
Jan 19th 2011, 14:23
@adriano spiteri, since you are so kind why don't you invite them at your house for the rest of their stay in Malta???
Remember the 1st comandament? .
Adriano Spiteri
Jan 19th 2011, 15:10
Malta is neither my nor your house. It is the house of all Maltese citizens.
Immigration was a top priority in the last elections, according to the TOM poll (impartial).
Everyone has a right to leave his country but with that comes another right: for a citizen of the other country to refuse entry. The latter's right immediately outweighs the former if the entry is illegal.
Why were nearly all illegal immigrants accepted?
Why are they still here?
Why are our Politicians (Opportunists), dragging their feet? Is it to maintain neutrality and popularity? Do they fear becoming another Frank Portelli in being frank!?
I would welcome familiars, friends, people I trust - at my home
However I would never welcome criminals who breach the law and force my door open to ask for permission.
You're free to do it, perhaps in the name of religion. But some of those who stood for their rights, the JRS, didn't! They forced the Government (me and you) to do so.
Notwithstanding People's opinion, the MEP election results (and the illegalities) gave Simon Busuttil another term to preach burden sharing. Let's endure it. Watch out for your fingers!
Joseph Schembri
Jan 19th 2011, 14:19
Ara, veru hawn il guh fil pajjiz ...
Dominic Cini
Jan 19th 2011, 14:53
U erbat ijiem ohra nibdew nieklu lil xulxin daqs kif ser ifaqqarna u jgibna nittalbu l-gvern ta' gonzipn
isabelle luca borg
Jan 19th 2011, 15:09
daqt nibdew nieklu difrejna....jew subghajn haddiehor!!! :p
S Vella
Jan 19th 2011, 14:19
Ghandu ragun il-poplu Malti ma jixtieqx jithallat u jiftah ghal dawn it-tip ta "nies" Multi kulturali....
Ahna niprettendu li nimxu l-quddiem mhux lura ghal zmien il-Hagar!
Joe Borg
Jan 19th 2011, 14:42
and we are paying lots of taxes to provide them food and clothing, and the most dreadfull thing is that they refuse non branded items, just go on the halfar road to b'bugia to see whole lots of clothes thrown away on the pavement.
disgusting, and please postmaster show my words because people need to know these things
Susanne Herold
Jan 19th 2011, 14:08
To Mr. Adriano Spiteri:
What has Angela Merkel got to do with it?
Eric Gahn
Jan 19th 2011, 14:18
I believe in the way he is quoting her, a lot.
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 14:36
he is not even quoting her well, I criticized this point already in the times, i don't know if it was him making it or someone else. don't feel like answering back again, anyway i am fed up of hearing it already, he makes it in every article regarding illegal immigrant. cannot you think up something new Adrian?It is boring always reading the same things
Joe Bonnici
Jan 19th 2011, 15:23
Susanne Herold the point is that we do not want multiculturalism. Even Angela Merkel said that multiculture didn't work and she has the experience of Germany with the millions of illegal immigrants so no one can say she spoke on a small number or a small sample. We hate and resent multiculture being imposed upon us and one day its all going to explode like a boiler with no safety valve.
Jeffrey Spiteri
Jan 19th 2011, 15:47
Joe Bonnici I think that Susanne Herold is not living on planet earth but is lost in outer space
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 15:50
@Joe Bonnici
"she has the experience of Germany with the millions of illegal immigrants". R u joking or something? inform yourself first. Merkel was referring to the fact that germany failed to integrate the Turkish immigrants well. the turkish immigrants in germany are all legal immigrants, they came to germany in the sixties and seventies when Germany INVITED them to work in the factories cause germany was in desperate need of workers at a time when its economy was booming. so you cannot even compare that to illegal immigration!!!!!
Sylvia Sammut
Jan 19th 2011, 16:13
CFarrugia that makes Merkel's position more credible because if the Turkish LEGAL immigrants did not integrate, and it's not the fault of Germany that they didn't, and remember that at least part of Turkey is in Europe although a small part of it, how much more can you expect ILLEGAL immigrants from Africa which have absolutely nothing in common with us or our culture to integrate, even if we wanted them to integrate with us which we don't want?
Stella Vella
Jan 19th 2011, 16:52
Very good answer Sylvia Sammut. We want our country for ourselves and our children not for illegal immigrants and their children.
eric psaila
Jan 19th 2011, 14:00
@Janice Lewis
and your point is? Do not make fun of other people's misfortune's please. What if it was you?
Great now they have been expelled from the centre. What are they supposed to do?
Tony Gatt
Jan 19th 2011, 14:13
I think that Janice is just making a joke so we shouldn't point any fingers at her
jscerri
Jan 19th 2011, 14:48
Or should one say "...point half a finger at her."? :)
Adriano Spiteri
Jan 19th 2011, 13:53
These are the kind of people our Government is asking us to mingle with.
"MultiKulti has failed" -Angela Merkel
In promoting multi-culturalism, our Government is promoting a failure.
Stephen Koludrovic
Jan 19th 2011, 14:15
If multiculturalism was ever a success we would not have different nations.
The reason why we have nations is because different ethnic, cultural, religious, linguistic groups always wished to be separate from other groups.
Mixing with a large different ethnic group has always ended up in a disaster.
Shirley Caruana
Jan 19th 2011, 14:42
Dear Adriano, God forbid you'd ever have to live like and cope with such distressing conditons as these poor people... I'm not justifying violence, but... I greatly admire the fact that this incident is a rare one.
Unfortunately, it is a result of major frustration.
I can only express the most hearty, inward, tender and compassionate concern for these poor souls.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 15:00
Are you Maltese Mr. Koludrovic??
If not your comment is rather ironic!!!!!!!!!
Samantha Grima
Jan 19th 2011, 15:18
Shirley Caruana No one sent for them and as has consistently been shown by all polls the vast majority of Maltese people do not want them here and want them expelled. If you feel pity for them go back with them to their own countries and help them there because one way or the other they shall not be allowed to remain here.
Stephen Koludrovic
Jan 19th 2011, 15:28
@jeremy Camilleri.
Now why am I ironic? It is a fact of unfortunately human history.
However maybe you could define to me how and why nations were born. I can assure you it was certainly not from any sort of multiculturalism.
Jesmond Micallef
Jan 19th 2011, 15:40
On the concept of failed Multi-Culturalism within the same geography, the other concept of Multi-Nationalsim has not as nations still exist. People only fight for what they don't have and this fight over who washes with what and when, seems to suggest that elementary comforts are still an issue. These people come from war torn countries with serious political situations. Then may I suggest that before one refers to what a Leader from Europe's biggest economy has said, one also refers to what serious political situations brought about economic prosperity, through the savagery of two wars, literally, but also to eventual peace throughout europe !! I wouldn't like to mention non Somali nuclear weaponry here as that is much more then bitting a finger off in "anger" fighting over a washing basin !!
These people are all potential customers in the world of business and economics. Isn't it fair enough for these people to lead a prosperous life too, on their own home grounds just like most european nationalists wanted to and still want, I guess ?
These two mothers need to tender their own children. What would I do, I ask myself ?
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 15:42
@Samantha Grima
you are arguing that the majority of Maltese do not want them here and one way or another they will be expelled. May I remind you our country has signed the Human Rights Convention and is bound by law to give protection to refugees and cannot just expell them all the way you are describing it . So your argument "nobody wants them" holds no water. Have you ever heard of international law or anything? Those who are allowed to stay have been given some sort of protection by the state. We have to abide to international law and conventions which we signed not just do what the Maltese citizens want as you are puttting it. Also this argument the majority doesn't want them holds no water because it woudl be a dictatorship of the majority. so if the majority decides for some reason to exterminate some race you have no problem with that cause the majority decided it? these are things which have happened already in european history unfortunately.
Jane Spiteri
Jan 19th 2011, 15:42
Samantha Grima I am perfectly of the same opinion Samantha.
M J Dingli
Jan 19th 2011, 16:01
@ Who ever thinks multi-culturalism has failed. Your car is Japanese. Your Vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your movies are American. Your tea is Tamil. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbor is an immigrant? Pull yourself together!
Amanda Catania
Jan 19th 2011, 16:04
CFarrugia first of all we can get out of the Convention. Secondly they are economic migrants, thirdly how can you expect that we allow OUIR country to be taken over by illegal immigrants? What if a million, two million any number decided to come here Farrugia? Do you expect us to provide them with accomodation, work, free health and other services paid for by our taxes? NO WAY Farrugia. They have to go and we shall not stop before every one of them has been expelled. As for your far-fetched arguments about majority or not, is it not the majority that decides in a country? What majority in Malta has ever called for the extermination of another race Farrugia. We only want to protect our country, families and children from the illegal immigrants as we have a right and duty to do. They do the same in other countries like Australia, the USA, Canada and even in the EU which does not want to take the illegal immigrants in Malta. Or are you now going to call these countries uncivilized and breaking international law? They don't allow illegal immigrants and are building high walls to stop them coming in.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 16:19
Ironic that a product of multi culturalism is criticising multi culturalism.
Nations were born through migration of tribes or people, intermarriage, and war.......
Anthony Zerafa
Jan 19th 2011, 16:19
M J Dingli, inti qed titkellem fuq prodotti mhux nies.
CFarrugia
Jan 19th 2011, 16:20
Amanda Catania
are you serious about wanting to get out of the human rights convention? what values do you want to support in malta if you don't agree with basic human rights? I dont know if it is possible but if i it is , it would have serious implications for malta, we would lose a lot from not being in such a convention. after all we also get a lot of financial help from European countries. as an eu country i think you have to be part of that convention too. they would not except such things in the EU.
Paul Falzon
Jan 19th 2011, 16:32
Indeed - Multiculturism ALWAYS destroyed every culture / country it touched. Always, its a fact.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 16:49
Paul Falzon..and YET, if not for multiculturalism, you would still be an arab....Malta was ruled for 200 years by a multi cultural Government...and yet we tend to glorify that period...
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 16:52
Zerafa- isn't that a Muslim surname?
Amanda Catania
Jan 19th 2011, 16:56
Refugee Convention CFarrugia this has got nothing to do with human rights but with the Refugee Convention which is being abused left right and centre by these economic illegal immigrants.
Carmen Zahra
Jan 19th 2011, 17:04
CFarrugia you absolutely don't know anything about conventions Farrugia.
First of all the Refugee Convention is a UN Convention and had got nothing to do with the EU. Secondly the European Convention on Human Rights again has got nothing to do with the EU. Thirdly you have uncovered your cards when you said that we are receiving a lot of financial help from European countries. This is a pack of lies. Tell us how many millions we have received and from which European countries Farrugia. Then even if they were giving us millions we do not want the money but to get rid of the illegal immigrants. If they have their hearts beating with pity for the illegal immigrants why don't they take them themselves and not want us to keep them here at all costs and send back any who escape and go to a European country?
As for having to be in the convention if we are in the EU all EU countries do whatever is n their national interest and if the EU doesn't like it they know where to shove their opinion. Aren't France, Italy, Greece etc also in the EU?
Michael Zerafa
Jan 19th 2011, 17:13
Jeremy J Camilleri whatever it is our surname doesn't mean that our ancestors came here illegally like the illegal immigrants are doing. And what about tour surname camilleri? Where does it come from? I am sure that your ancestors also did not come here illegally otherwise you wouldn't be here camilleri because they would have been shot or hanged, crossed and quartered as used to happen in old times.
Charles Grixti
Jan 20th 2011, 08:01
@Jeremy J. Camilleri
For your information the surname Zerafa is of Jewish descent. It is found among the Jews of the Maghreb or was found since those great believers in Multiculturalism, cannot stand anyone but themselves to be in their countries, so most Jews have emigrated to Israel. Now they are turning on the few Arab Christians too.
So as far as the Muslims/Arabs are concerned, multiculturalism is a one-way street, that is from their countries to ours and NOT vice-versa.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 20th 2011, 10:30
Charles Grixti..thanks for the info..so Zerafa is Jewish? How Maltese! lol....Thanks for proving my point!!!!!!Funny you should mention Jews though, since Jews have been treated as illegal immigrants for ages...By european Christians btw...The arrival of Jews In europe was met by mass hysteria actually similar to the hysteria evident in some comments here.
Michael Zerafa..I don't know if my ancestors came here legally..no idea...If you're an expert on legal matters, I d love you to clear that out for me, as foreign surnames were usually introduced theough intermarriage.
Just one point...nothwidstanding your legal knowledge of times gone by, I shall, in all my humility point out that hanged, drawn and quartered was punishment meeted out for treason or regicide...not illegal migration....
What I know is that the country was surely ruled by foreigners at the time that my ancestors settled in Malta. Hints of multiculturism there..Get it?
Emma Xerri
Jan 20th 2011, 16:29
Multiculturalism is a failed experiment that the powers-behind-the-throne have been working on and hoisting on every Western country for the last 40 years and it is now bearing its ugly fruit.
Think of it, first they wax lyrical about the beauty of multiculturalism and then Leaders such as Merkel say this 'experiment' has failed because the immigrants (incidentally, brought in at the behest of the Business/Capitalist classes to create a glut in labour and lower wages and thus labour costs for them) had failed to integrate into European society.
Why did none of our brilliant 'journalists' point out that multiculturalism means that you treat all cultures as being intrinsically equal (except of course for the evil Christian Western culture, which should always be ready to appease all other cultures, with all their whims and follies even if it costs us our freedoms and lives) and that furthermore, you create a niche in your own country where these foreign cultures can flourish intact. So, who said anything about assimilation, the immigrants then are right to insist for their separate cultural identities and in the future even a separate State. Multiculturalism and Assimilation are two mutually exclusive constructs.
Emma Xerri
Jan 20th 2011, 16:36
@Jeremy J Camilleri
Asking Mr. Koludrovic if he is Maltese says it all.
It proves that you are not the multiculturalists that you would have everyone else believe.
Charles Grixti
Jan 20th 2011, 16:54
@Jeremy J. Camilleri
LOL why? And why ‘how Maltese?’
And what point have I proven rather then the fact that many Maltese came here with the Phoenicians and the Jews had been there also with them.. Many more people came from North Africa and Europe but the point being is that this happened when we were under foreign rule and not by choice and these peoples, assimilated into the Judeo-Christian civilization that is Malta.
Not so with modern Multiculturalism, which insist on keeping people distinct and separate and in facts elevates foreign cultures above anything European. Read the books of Ayan Hirsi Ali, the Somalian apostate from Islam and former MP in the Netherlands to see what multiculturalism in Europe is all about.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 20th 2011, 17:27
Emma Xerri...never even said I was a multiculturist..Unlike you, I just know what it meansm and that we all are its product. Its ironic for someone with a foreign surname living in Malta to attack multiculturism...Pity you didn;t get it.
Its also ironic for any Maltese to attack multiculturism when one notes that we are the product of Phoenician, Cartaghinian, Arab, multicultural knight(yes despite thair chastity vows they did leave their bastards), Aragonese, Sicilians, British, French, ROman, Byzantine, and yes, even some Japanese(read rajt malta tinbidel for that one).
Charles Grixti, so now its modern multiculturism is it? lol..I guess all those Maltese who have British surnames have had their ancestors raped!!!! How pretentious...
Zachary Stewart
Jan 21st 2011, 16:26
@Jeremy J Camilleri: I totally agree with everything you're saying.
@ Michael Zerafa: All these legal speculations about, "I bet MY ancestors didn't come illegally," (which I hear constantly in my native USA) are rather spurious. The ancestors of most native-born Maltese came to the island before there were such laws in place. This is the same case for my Scotch-Irish ancestors in the USA and really for most white Americans. We're comparing apples and oranges.
Furthermore, while it is true that the 2nd and 3rd generations of these immigrants assimilated to American culture, the 1st generation never fully did. By isolating migrants and their children, you are only prolonging this process.
@Koludrovic: Didn't we already fight this war 66 years ago? Democratic pluralism won and ethnocentric fascism lost. Race and ethnicity are false and arbitrary constructions and your ideas about them are hopelessly outdated.
John J. Galea-Axiak
Jan 19th 2011, 13:52
We are in the year 2011!!!!
A female 'illegal' immigrant !!! This is rediculous! She should be referred to as either an 'irregular' immigrant or as an asylum seeker but as an irregular immigrant!
M Bugeja
Jan 19th 2011, 14:29
NO. Illegal entry into the country = ILLEGAL, not irregular or whatnot. Try doing that in any civilised country on earth and tell them that you're just committing an irregularity, not a crime. Yes, unauthorised entry to someone else's country is a crime, regardless of the circumstances.
Please call a spade a spade.
N. Pace
Jan 19th 2011, 14:48
Oh for heaven's sake stop being politically correct! She is not an irregular migrant but an illegal one and she should be sent back where she came from. Foreigners who commit a crime should be deported - whatever nationality, colour or creed!
maria pace
Jan 19th 2011, 14:52
Why would they call her an irregular immigrant if she is not? She is an ILLEGAL immigrant and it doesn't matter whether it is 2011 or 1900!!
John J. Galea-Axiak
Jan 19th 2011, 14:54
@M.Bugeja
How medieval!!!
J. Grima
Jan 19th 2011, 15:02
1 thing that comes to mind is a saying in Maltese which says,"Hanzir taqtalu denbu, hanzir jibqa!"
As the person before me has explained these people enter our shores ILLEGALLY and most of them are not even people seeking refuge from wars & whatnot but economic migrants, people who view Europe and the U.S as a benefit haven and the latter especially, famously known as the land of opportunity.
If you ask me I think they should 'Civilise' their home countries and try to fix their internal problems before mass-migrating to Europe, because coming to Europe is not going to fix their problems and it is only causing more problems to us Europeans!
Patrick Mallia
Jan 19th 2011, 15:13
John J. Galea-Axiak NO MISTER. SHE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT AND SHE SHOULD BE REFERRED TO AS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. CAN'T YOU SEE WHAT YOUR STUPID POLITICALLY CORRECT BRIGADE HAS LED US AND OTHER COUNTRIES INTO?
Cynthia Bonnici
Jan 19th 2011, 15:16
John J. Galea-Axiak you have the gall to call the people medieval. No Galea-Axia, she is ILLEGAL and that is what we shall continue to call her and yes, I agree with those who say that she must be expelled and I say together with all the illegal immigrants that came here whatever status they have been given by the lackey NGO's.
Roger Tanti
Jan 19th 2011, 15:27
@John J. Galea-Axiak
Since when we stopped called a spade a spade? If you entered a country illegally you are an illegal immigrant. END OF STORY!
John J. Galea Axiak
Jan 19th 2011, 15:27
@Cynthia Bonnici
@Patrick Mallia
Bark... Bark... Bark... !!!
wally vella-zarb
Jan 19th 2011, 15:49
@ John J. Galea Axiak
"Bark... Bark... Bark... !!!"
Should we therefore understand that you prefer "Bite... Bite... Bite... !" as has happened in this incident???
Tony Zammit
Jan 19th 2011, 15:51
John J. Galea Axiak pity that you are being sarcastic in such serious matters as the future of the Maltese people John. We do not care anything about these economic migrants and whether you like it or not the day shall come when they shall have to leave. It's better for them to leave now than later. You are free to join them.
edwin abela
Jan 19th 2011, 13:49
What wonderfully sophisticated 'visitors' we have in this fair land of ours! I wonder how long it will take for their 'culture' and customs to rub off on all of us?
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 14:10
Rub off? a few years back, before migrants arriving, we had a man killing his sister because she burnt his toast.
We ve had a warden stabbed for issuing parking tickets.
A man had to murder his father after seeing him abusing his mother and forcing her to eat off the floor for years and years....
A month ago we had a video on utube which showed a girl getting punched in the face in a fight over a pizza que.
Need I go on?
Don't want to get involved in the migrant issue, as, yes, I do believe that the uncontrollable migration does bring problems, however, the truth is that no matter the colour or nationality, you get rotten apples anywhere.
Jane Busuttil
Jan 19th 2011, 15:11
edwin abela you are perfectly correct. They should all be expelled back to their own country or LIbya. We do not need or want them here.
Adriano Spiteri
Jan 19th 2011, 15:16
@ Jeremy J. Camilleri & Shirley Caruana
No one is commending the ignorance of certain people.
However should anyone of your loved ones ever have the misfortune of suffering a crime by someone with an illegal status (who shouldn't have been here in the first place), you'd change your mind.
Unfortunately we cannot throw away rotten apples. What we can do is prevent more of them!
Joan Pulis
Jan 19th 2011, 15:53
Jane Busuttil they must be sent back. We want a safe Malta for our children. Malta has become unsafe especially since we have been invaded by these illegal immigrants.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 16:29
Adriano Spiteri...So if a loved one suffered a crime at the hands of a Maltese National, I d change my opinion regarding myself? lol
Melanie Cassar
Jan 19th 2011, 17:26
Jeremy J Camilleri we have to lump Maltese criminals because they are Maltese, but we don't have to lump illegal immigrants criminals.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Jan 19th 2011, 19:03
Melanie Cassar..another argument altogether...Like Maltese law breakers, foreign law breakers get punished.
Now I would really like to get a hand on crime related statistics, however I do recall, not too long ago... huge spurt of foreigners coming here to pick pockets...Guess what? They had every legal right to be in Malta.. NOt half the comments then! So if crime is committed by legal immigrantsm is that ok?
Talking about crime...how about prostitution In Malta? Mostly foreigners...Wonder why no major complaints then?....They re blonde you see...: P
Sean Grima
Jan 19th 2011, 23:04
it might interest you that yes, we do lump foreign criminals, just like foreign countries lump ours.
Janice Lewis
Jan 19th 2011, 13:20
I just hope he used the BASIN and washed his hands first, dirty fingers don't taste all that nice.
JApap
Jan 19th 2011, 13:56
speaking from experience?
j n ebejer marsaskala
Jan 19th 2011, 15:37
Insib dan il kumment iebes u mhux f postu. Lanqas indunat li jitkellhem fuq zewg nisa u mhux irgiel. Nispera li jien zbaljat.
Kieku ahna kellnha nghaddhu jew nghixu is sitwazzjonijiet li ghexu hafna min dawn in nies, kieku ilnha li tlifnha kull raguni.
Stephen Koludrovic
Jan 19th 2011, 13:18
And where are they supposed to live now?
C Tonna
Jan 19th 2011, 14:01
mhux il habs...
ma nistax nifem u ma nistax nifem !!
ma setawx tawom sentenza ohra ??
alijom ahjar ghax andom sena jinhaslu u jiklu u saqaf fuq rasom issa minjar it thabit kollu li andom il marsa ...
minflok batnijom lemm.. hanzomuwom al sena ohra dawn igifiri..
isabelle luca borg
Jan 19th 2011, 15:07
@ Tonna - the sentence is suspended meaning they're not in prison...they will go to prison if they relapse in the coming 2 years. So they might be homeless.
Whatever, they shouldn't have fought like two animals over a wash basin.
Moreover I hope they don't turn to stealing now that they're not living off benefits!!!