Updated: PN has become party of threats and allegations - PL
(Adds PN's statement)
The Nationalist Party's behaviour in the Sliema council saga showed that it had become a clumsy party of threats and allegations.
The Sliema council yesterday approved a vote of no confidence in mayor Nikki Dimech and appointed Joanna Gonzi, who was deputy mayor, as his successor.
Mr Dimech was kicked out of the PN after he told the police in a statement he had asked for a bribe. Mr Dimech has insisted he had been coerced in making such a statement after suffering a panic attack while in police custody and was not given access to his inhaler.
His expulsion from the party irked former PN councillor Sandra Camilleri, who claimed she was forced to sign the motion of no confidence by PN general secretary Paul Borg Olivier, who rejected the allegation as “unfounded”.
The PL said that the way the PN threatened an elderly councillor was shameful.
In a deliberate manner, general secretary Paul Borg Olivier, had stopped the work of the Sliema council to destabilise on of the party's mayors, it said adding that families and the Sliema commercial community had suffered in this dirty political games.
And as for GonziPN's incredible accusations of corruption, the PL's reply was BWSC, the party said.
PN’S REACTION
The Nationalist Party accused the PL of continuing with its campaign of support in favour of the former mayor.
It said that although Mr Dimech himself had admitted to bribery with the police, the PL was continuing with its defence of the former mayor. This, the PN said, was the same party which claimed it had zero tolerance for corruption.
Through its councillors' vote yesterday and its statement today, the PL was continuing to show how weak it was faced with allegations of corruption, the PN said.
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JOSEPH MUSCAT
Sep 5th 2010, 14:56
@JOe VELLa you sure hit the nail on the head and I am sure that no one from authority is going to respond, only the poor and the weak that spend long time in prison the poleticians most of them are lawyers knows whats going on but none of them speak about the weak PEOPLEOF MALTA WAKE UP THEY DO NOT HAVE RESPECT FOR NOBODY UNLESS THEY SKIN YOU LONG SENTENNSES FOR THE WEAK AND THE POOR .
Joe Fenech
Sep 5th 2010, 11:45
The Godfather XXX
The PN aren't reiterating that the Maltese live in fear, threats anymore... They sure know how to mask their ugly deeds!
Muscat Pat
Sep 5th 2010, 11:05
Many Maltese have now acknowledged that what happened in Sliema and else where, is the pyramid system that the Pharaohs of Pieta, lump down the throat of "party faithfuls" :some "Christian" democracy this is!
David Caruana
Sep 5th 2010, 10:46
@ Marcel Dingli
"Vot lill AD hu vot lil PN"
Ghadkom tibilghuha din? Tal-Labour jghidhu hekk u n-nazzjonalisti jghidulek li vot ghal-AD hu vot ghal Labour.
Il-verita' ma tistax tkun iktar il-boghod minn hekk!
Vot ghall-AD hu vot ghall-AD
Gvern ta' koalizzjoni - siggu ta' kulur differenti fuq il-bankijiet tal-Gvern - huwa l-unika tama ghal bidla radikali u ghal moviment TASSEW progressiv f'pajjizna.
Thalli lil hadd ibellahielek.....
Vot ghall-AD hu vot ghall-AD
Marcel Dingli
Sep 5th 2010, 14:32
Mhux xorta , le il PN u l AD ? Dur u hawwad, it tnejn l istess minestra.
Frans Attard
Sep 5th 2010, 08:01
Il-Mument tal-llum issemmi kaz ta' korruzzjoni fi zmien il-labour tat-tmeninijiet. Veru kien hemm allegazzjonijiet u l-pulizija ta' dak iz-zmien ma kienetx tinvestiga kazi fejn kellu x'jaqsam il-gvern. Llum l-istess qed jigri. Kien hemm hafna allegazzjonijiet ta' korruzzjoni, kaz ricenti hu l-allegazzjoni li ghamlet l-EU stess fuq il-kuntratt tal-Power Station u ghall-Pulizija ta' Malta qiesu ma gara xejn.
A.Gauci Cunningham
Sep 4th 2010, 19:32
No matter how many comments some people write it will always remain a fact that this issue was handled in the most disgraceful of manners. First and foremost Nikki dimech's side of the story, if true, is not only shocking but reminiscent of things that the PN claims to have won power in 1987 to stop. Up to now, 2 weeks after Dimech's accusations of a frame-up on 2 prominent Sunday papers, I have yet to be convinced by PBO that he was not in cahoots with the police, I have yet to see him react in a strong fashion and rebut these very serious accusations. Obviously, unlike some down here, I will not pose as a judge and throw Dimech into a hell hole becasue that's what suits my agenda or the agenda of a couple of backstabbers but all I can say is in the public arena PBO's reaction was too weak and too unconvincing. Then again time will tell whether this weak reaction was just a PR miscalculation or more.
Jesmond Abela
Sep 4th 2010, 15:31
@ Mr Dingli ...... MAN!! Trid tammetti li Dimech gralu li grali it tort kollu tieghu. Huwa kien li sfida l-partit ghax ma ridx jirrizenja. IL PN jekk taf l-istorja sew me keccewhx mill partit mill partit , anzi talbu ir rizenja tieghu. Fil kaz tal Gzira u tal Fgura 2 kunsillieri tal LP baxxew rashom ghal ordni tal partit laburista. Fil Fgura ghadna ma nafux xini il vera raguni x'kienet, fil waqt tal Gzira dan il gurnal hareg bl-istorja ghax kiku lanqas konna inkunu nafu x'gara wkoll. Li kieku dawn iz zewg sinjuri ma obdewx lordni tal partit taghhom u ma rizzenjawx, tibzax bhas sur Dimech kinu jispiccaw. Super 1 kollox haxx haxx mhux hekk , minn dejjem hekk kien u ghadu sal gurnata tal lum ghalkemm JM weghdna riformi shah fl-istazzjon socjalista. Skuzani jekk int ma thossokx socjalista jew le, progressiv jew le , moderat jew le pero jin ktibt "what's in a name" Tista tbiddel ismek u l-emblema tal bandiera kemm trid pero natural dak li Hu jibqa.
Marcel Dingli
Sep 4th 2010, 23:47
Tista tbiddel il principji tal partit u zzomm l istess badge ghal konvenjenza, mhux hekk?
M.Bezzina
Sep 5th 2010, 06:01
Jien hekk niehu pjacir!!Tara lil pajjizek qijed arkubtejh u nara kummneti bhall tieghek!!Prosit!!Jalla nibqaw sejrin hekk!!Inganni. koruzzjoni, weghdi ma jitwetqux u nsomma taghmel lista ma tispicca qatt!!
eric saliba
Sep 4th 2010, 13:06
@ j farrugia. ma kontx ser nirrispondik biex ma' ninzilx fix-baxx bhalek.
xorta ghadek ma chadtx dak li qal EFA dwar 'euphoria' u dwar li qal ex-ministru (illum mejjet u ghalhekk mhux ser insemmi ismu) li malli nitilghu naharqu kollox.
jekk dawn huma hrejjef ghandek problema bil-memorja.......jew trid tqarraq! aghzel int.
Joseph Galea
Sep 4th 2010, 04:29
1. When when will the PN condemn PBOs alleged shameful threats to an elderly councillor in an open air bar? Or does Lawrence Gonzi and the PN administration approve of such threats?
2. If I recall correctly. in late December 1986, Drs Eddie Fenech Adami and the late Dr Guido De Marco took over as editors and printer of IN-... TAGHNA just to be able to print a front page article entitled FRAME UP (on Pietru Pawl Busuttil) even though Mr Busuttil was arrested and took to court over the death of Raymond Caruana. Withs PSOs reasoning Pietru Pawl Busuttil would be a shame today
Karl Consiglio
Sep 4th 2010, 01:20
Its like the whole JPO thingy again, therefore it could be for the best.
Raphael Dingli
Sep 4th 2010, 01:07
A pox onboth your parties - vote green.
Jesmond Abela
Sep 3rd 2010, 22:04
Lis socjalisti jew lil progressivi(whats in a name) li qedin tikkumentaw bqalbkhom perzuta........ hawn xi wiehed minnkhom jghidli x'kienet tkun ir reazzjoni taghkhom u tal partit socjalista li kiku il PN appoggja lil Mr Dimech, u hallieh sindku??? Ghalkhemm adu bniedem innocenti sakemm jghaddi guri , dejjem jibqa l-fatt li hemm proceduri tal qorti kontrih. Kunu onesti maghkhom ghal darba biss..... tahsbu li kontu tghidu prosit li zammewh bhala sindku jew xorta kontu tiktbu poeziji, din id darba mhux favur ghal Dimech imma kontrieh????
@ Sur Gellel tkomplix tinsulenta l-intelligenza tal poplu Malti jekk joghgbok
Marcel Dingli
Sep 4th 2010, 06:34
Sur Abela, kun daqsxejn int onest jekk ma jimpurtax. Ma xammejtx xi haga ? L oggezjonijiet huma ta kif gie trattat Nikki Dimech . Jekk hux hati jew le sta ghal Qorti tiddecidi. Tridha aktar bil kuccarina aktar minn hekk? U jien mhux socjalist OK man ! GHalija l abjad abjad l iswed iswed. Li kien hazin fit tmeninijiet hu hazin llum ukoll.
c. camilleri
Sep 3rd 2010, 20:44
Everyone knows why Sliema's Mayor Nikky was voted out of his office, but can anyone from the labour Party pls inform us why Fgura's Mayor Marmara was forced to resign from his office. Perhaps Dr Abela for the sake of transparency would oblige.
david calleja
Sep 3rd 2010, 23:41
@ C.Camilleri
unless you have access to official police documents, they you, like the rest of us, only KNOW that a person has been ACCUSED of whatever the charges were.... now, last time i looked, in Malta you're still presumed INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. And that Mr/ Ms Camilleri, as far as i know, only the LAW courts can do.
This man has been accused, judged and found guilty by people like yourself - it really is such hypocrisy that people like yourself who swear by a party that is led by lawyers, who presumably believe in the oath they have taken - have no problem seeing these same lawyers become rich putting criminals back on our streets, BUT do not accord the same right to people like Nikki Dimech...shame on all involved in this..
Emanuel Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 20:25
Aktar ma' jibda ghaddej iz-zmien u tibda toqrob l-elezzjoni, ghalkemm ghad baqa' ftit taz-zmien, aktar taqra u tisma hafna paroli li jippruvaw idahhlu certu FLILES fil-mentalita tas-socjeta Maltija. Fejn qeghda l-imhabba ta' l-insara f'dan il-pajjiz? Emanuel Farrugia former Executive Secretary Mtarfa LOcal Council
J S Borg
Sep 3rd 2010, 18:30
This is all fireworks before an election. You can rest assured that the court case will not be decided before five years, most probably if decided before the election hem will be found guilty then there will be an appeal and after some years in appeal he will be set free.
c. camilleri
Sep 3rd 2010, 17:38
The least the MLP could have done was to keep aloof from this case. But their urge to opposite anything Govt does at any cost prevent them from choosing the right path. It incredible that this time the MLP is backing a Nats's Mayor who happens to on the wrong side of the law. The NP has given a lesson to the MLP who has always shielded its people instead of letting justice be done. As regards threats to the elderly councilor, those tactics are synonymous with the MLP and not with PN. This lady could have voted as she liked, no one was twisted her arm. Varist was right when he said that the more they change the more they remain the same. The only thing they perhaps change is their emblem.
Frank Portelli 2BFRANK
Sep 3rd 2010, 17:21
At this point Nicky Dimech is innocent - albeit accused However in my view he should have resigned prior to the vote of no confidence. We need a system where anyone holding public office and who is under investigation should resign to avoid bringing that office into disrepute. The accused can then concentrate on trying to clear his name. Instilling a “culture of resignation” would increase the trust in public office. Video-Recording of police interviews should be established–3 simultaneous copies master-copy, working-copy, and a copy for the suspect. This would guarantee the suspects rights, admissions of guilt acquired fairly, and after due warning – also making admissions strong admissible evidence. I must say I would be very surprised if Inspector Gafa did not respect the suspect’s human rights in his line of duty. However in the public’s mind the police depot is still associated with the torture and murder of Nardu-Debono whilst under police custody and with Commissioner Pullicino guilty of failing to protect an arrested person. At the time Malta’s Prime Minister considered Malta’s Constitution equivalent to “Anchovy Wrapping Paper. Dr Frank Portelli
JOe VELLa
Sep 4th 2010, 17:48
Dr. FP. It is hard to grasp your refer of Mr. Nicky Dimech as innocent - albeit accused.
Lucky for the accused we do not have the death penalty because a lot of so called accused where found guilt,. and given the death penalty, later to be found innocent, of course when the innocent/accused/guilt individual turned into ashes.
Our system need improvement. Why is it the weak and poor end behind bars and those of the book play the game.?
I tend to agree with your last observation, however when the President, Prim Minister and Deputy Prim Minister are all lawyers, is it not possible to improve where needed, rather than suggest to the accused to resign?
I sat on a lot of jury and my surprised is how people in authority play the game including the police with those words: ''I do not remember'' when it gets hot.
I suggest to this young man not to resign and make waves if need be?
Silence is a sign of weakness!.
Jonathan Vella
Sep 3rd 2010, 17:12
I am not going to go into the merits of whether Mr Dimech is innocent or not. The people here commenting against how the PN treated Mr Dimech simply don't know what they want. Had the PN not expelled Mr Dimech, the same people would now be commenting - x'gharukaza l-PN jzomm mieghu nies korrotti - I believe that the whole story is an invention of Mr Dimech. He seems to like being a Prima Donna. IF I were him I would have resigned peacefully and immediately, clear my name and then and only then would I open my mouth. The way he is reacting, giving interviews, commenting against the Police, the PN etc for me is only a proof that he has something to hide and wants to make a smoke screen for the Sliema people. Moreover I believe that all this goes beyond politics but is something personal between factions and Sliema candidates.
J Tonna
Sep 3rd 2010, 16:03
Everyone is trying to defend Nicky on the Issue of Innocent until proven Guilty system. The issue here is that Nicky Dimech stated that he is himself guilty by signing his guilt declaration at the police HQ. Any further proof needed???...With regards to having signed under pressure, as stated in the times online, his lawyer states that ...."no Inspector Angelo Gafa did not treat Nicky badly under interrogation".... So, do you all need futher proof to realise that this is a sopa opera invented by Nicky Dimech to save himself.
C. Muscat
Sep 3rd 2010, 16:35
It is a fact that the case is sub-judice. It may proved to be innocent or guilty and probably (I am not a lawyer) there is a chance of appeal.
If as you stated Nicky declared himself guilty, why it took so long for the police to arraign him to court?
Mark Piscopo
Sep 3rd 2010, 17:30
Nicky Dimech is innocent until proven guilty by the court! Are you a magistrate to decide ?Or just politics
adrian agius
Sep 3rd 2010, 15:46
i just wish there is a serious 3rd party in maltese politics.
Jason Spiteri Attard
Sep 3rd 2010, 15:38
Shame on PN, how they treated Mr Nikki Dimech. Innocent until proven guilty suppost.
Alexander Pace Gouder.
Sep 3rd 2010, 15:31
And the Saga Goes On. I suggest a book be written about this and the Title " The Never ending story II" What about a Film - Actors: The Present Sliema Council (made up not to the wishes of the majority of Sliema PN Voters.) Main Male:Nikky Dimech, Main Female:Joanna Gonzi. Actors The Sliema Voters both PN and PL. Filming: Net TV/One TV (United for once for this Film) Production: Paul Borg Olivier. Better a little joke on this subject then continue worry about thiswhole mess. Mishandled from start to Finish. When the "end" will arrive because it seems that this Story or Film will not show title "THE END" or "THEY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER" It is going to take very very long to be settled and the real truth comes to light. AND WILL THE REAL TRUTY COME TO LIGHT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mario gellel
Sep 3rd 2010, 15:16
IL-VERITA HI LI IL-VOT MA KIENX WIEHED FREE, IMMA WIEHED BIL-PISTOLA MA RASHOM.
U JIGU TAL-PN U JGHIDU LI MALTA HI IN-NUMBER ONE FEJN TIDHOL IL-LIBERTA.
SIRNA QIESNA IL-PAJJIZ TAHT XI ROBERT MUGABE. VIVA LIBERTA,VIVA LIBERTA.
C. Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 15:24
Lanqas nimmagina minn x'hiex kienu jghaddu il-kunsilliera l-ohra kieku vvutaw mod iehor!! Forsi hafna aghar minn dak li ghaddiet minnu Ms Camilleri!!! Kollha bil-*liberta* vvotaw! haha...mhux hekk tghid!!
99% dak kien l-ikbar inkwiet fuq mohhhom dak-il hin, u addio Mr Dimech u l-allegazzjonijiet!
C. Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 15:14
Innocent until proven guilty.......hekk suppost, safejn naf jien! But, my God....Mr Dimech was bulldozed out with such vehement force and speed, that even a five year old would smell something fishy!! This farce had been brewing for some time, so no wonder Mr Dimech hasn't been *utterly surprised* at the outcome!
Bil-Malti pur....nistennew ix-xoqqa f'moxtha....jew...nivvintaw xi haga biex naslu fejn irridu! It feels like it has been a case of either one or the other here!
Neil Dent
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:54
It's so sad that the majority of comments posted over the past couple of weeks are highly politically charged really out of place. 'INNOCENT until proven GUILTY' has been dumped for either just plain 'INNOCENT' or else just plain 'GUILTY' depending on which side of the fence the commentator stands on. A great deal of very valid detail has been simply discarded just for the sake of these petty arguments.
None of these comments are wise or prudent in the circumstances. This case is ongoing, and some things could definitely have been handled better by ALL those involved I think.
The prudent choice is the 'wait and see' approach. As it stands, the only thing we know for sure right now is that at the end of it all, certain people involved, and probably 50% of those commenting here will be left with a whole load of egg on their face!
Joseph Calleja
Sep 3rd 2010, 15:38
Mr dent I whole heartedly agree with you. Innocent till proven guilty. It seems that the Sliema Local Council does not think so and took the law into their own hands and acted because the man told them to do so. What if by any chance EX Mayor Dimech is found to be innocent? Then what? Besides there is a big difference in accusing and convicting. To be honest, and in no way I am condoning it, but taking bribes in Malta is a way of life. Some call it politics, it's not what you know but who you know.
wally vella-zarb
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:38
Why not have fresh elections for the Sliema Council to see exactly what are the wishes and the preferences of the Sliema residents after these allegations and machinations came to light? Unfortunately for the PN it might be that the majority of PN votes do not go to Dr Gonzi, and so she would not be Mayor, after all. Could it be that this risk will be the reason for not holding fresh elections?
Although I do not live there any longer, I feel that the town of my birth deserves to have a fresh council with a clean slate.
MSciberras
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:38
@ P Caruana
QUOTE Gonzi take note. I am fully convinced that Nikki is innocent whatever the court decides UNQUOTE So you are judge and jury. This is typical reasoning of so many in Malta. Like little kids who dont get what they want.........So we are to believe without question that a certified public accountant and auditor would be 'coerced' into signing a confession in this manner? Yes the police arrested him with some calculated timing for his arraighnment - I'll allow them that, given the readiness with which he was prepared to tarnish their name by alleging that they in fact tortured him by refusing him his inhaler!!! I am no fan of the Malta police but neither would I depict them as ogres and torturers. If the law that obliged the police to conduct their interrogations with a lawyer present was in force, none of this would have happened. This is why the Nats have only themsleves to blame for this sorry mess. Other than that, they acted correctly to expel a mayor who admitted bribery - if he now says his admission was 'coerced', its up to hîm to clear his name.
P. Caruana
Sep 3rd 2010, 16:05
Time will tell, my friend. I am not a judge or jury but not naive either. Let us wait for the court to decide and I will respect it. However, its on our interest to know the REAL truth.
l fenech
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:34
Halluna, it-tahwid taghakom tridu titfawh fuq il-PL imma in-nies mhux boloh. Ibqaw sejrin hekk halli ikolna ir-rokna tad-dahk kulljum. Grazzi.
P Pace
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:20
So various Times online readers expect the general secretary of a party not to take action if a mayor signs a declaration of guilt to the police. This reflects their mind, but most probably they just want to hurt the PN.
These same people are not troubled by the fact that the Fgura mayor was removed for an undisclosed reason.
PBO is right I would have done the same. But if Nikki is proved innocent I would apologise and reinstate his party membership.etc.
By the way why was his lawyer not present during the interrogation?
Marcel Dingli
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:37
Seems you have forgotten under which circumstances the admission was signed. Shouldnt that be investigated too ? Through personal experience , i believe Nikki Dimech.
Charles Zammit
Sep 3rd 2010, 17:09
Mr. Pace. Let me state outright that I have never met or come to know Mr. Dimech. What irks me is the course taken by the series of events. You seem to be giving credit only to a part of what Mr. Dimech said. Mr. Dimech also said that his admission was forced under duress. If you believe Mr. Dimech then you have to give credit to his whole statement. If what Mr. Dimech said is true then this is definitely a case of serious concern. PBO is also reported to have forced a declaration of no confidence in Mr. Dimech without leaving a chance for the case to be decided by the courts. These actions are only encountered in totalitarian countries. VERY WORRYING INDEED!!!!!
John Bezzina
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:18
I am sorry. I am a Nationalist. But I cannot but express my extreme disgust with my party and these types of replies. This smacks of PBO, and the one word that comes to mind here is petty. Did you really think you could come out clean from this witch hunt? Crucifying a young mayor on questionable allegations? Let justice run its course before declaring corruption. And stop beating about the bush about the much more serious Power Station extension. Do what's required. I am honestly ashamed of what this Party has come to. You don't give an iota about people's support anymore.
l fenech
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:17
Halluna,it-tghafig taghkom tridu tipprovaw titfawh fuq il-PL imma in-nies mhux boloh kif tahsbuhom inthom. Ibqaw sejrin hekk halli ikolna ir-rokna tac-cajt kullum, grazzi.
M. Fenech
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:44
Li ma kienux boloh in-nies, itellghu l'istess partit kwazi f'erbgha elezzjonijiet wara xulxin? In-nies ma jisthoqqilhomx ahjar minn hekk!
S. Zammit
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:05
Am I the only to think "What's the big deal?" I find both parties terrible to say the least, and both one way or another in the past had members guilty of corruption.
Adrian Wirth
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:01
Come on guys - be honest - you know as well as me that the Opposition is just doing it's job and that is OPPOSING. What's more, until they are elected to government, I for one hope and trust that in our democracy they continue to do so.
The only sadness is that for reasons best known to themselves Alternativa Demokratika appear to have retreated into the darkest of dark backgrounds. Where are you AD ? The electorate deserves a second voice of opposition to the crass demagogary of GonziPN.
Is it true someone has ostriches in Malta - Are they GonziPN ? If so then all their heads are in the ground and their backsides exposed not just inviting but demanding kicking.
MBorg
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:59
I am a Nationalist. I have never met , I do not know Nikki., but to say that I am disgusted at the way this whole mess was handled is putting it mildly. Shame.
Muscat Pat
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:51
And with all this horse -trading, what benefits is the country getting? In short GonziPN is doing what it does best :squabbling for short-term personal political advantages, leaving Malta's structural problems untouched. No wonder GonziPN has become notorious for its budget and current-account deficits and debt. Whilst cooking this mess, Malta is limping, the economy sclerotic, and many PN supporters resentful.
VV Bartolo
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:44
@ j farrugia
kieku i am a die hard labour am gonna waste my time advising the PN ppl to stop damaging the party? haha ... kieku zgur li nhallihom idejjqu lil ta madwarhom maybe someday the PL governs!! get a life mr j farrugia and stop being the jury & the judge.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:41
To be fair, the headline is misleading..
It should have read,
PN has become party of threats and allegations- Nationalist party activists, ex mayors, and Politicians..
J.Borg
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:37
At least PN are doing something to battle corruption what is the PL doing besides criticizing every move of the PN .... ?
P. Caruana
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:03
Bye Bye PN, hello Alternattiva Demokratika and I will stick to this unless PN gives a public apology to Mr Dimech and resignations amongst the PN Administration occur. Dr Gonzi take note. I am fully convinced that Nikki is innocent whatever the court decides. Now is the time for apologies not in the final hours before the general election. AD count me in.
pdimech
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:53
Facli l AD jibqghu gallarija, nixtieq narahom jiggvernaw ha naraw x progress u xi trasparenza jkun hawn. Bil vot tieghek zgur jiehdu pjacir ghax l ahhar elezzjoni ma tantx ghamlu success !
Marcel Dingli
Sep 4th 2010, 06:25
Caruana Sur jew Sinjura, hsibt li l elezjoni xi kummiedja jew teatrin tar rahal? Vot lill AD hu vot lil PN. L ahjar haga hi li, jekk ghandek, taqta l linfa barra biex tinki l mara. Taqbad u tivvota Labour avolja tkun Nazjonalist minn guf ommok.Hemm bzonn li l PN idabbar tkaxkira zul minn hemm biex jigi f tieghu, ghax ma tghallimx mill elezjoni tal MEPs. Jekk jew hekk il Labour tal lum huwa hafna aktar ta principji Nazzjonalisti mill PN. Daqsxejn impossibbli imma jalla l Labour igib 66% tal voti. Hemm mbghad tara terremot zgur u jibdew jinstemghu stejjer tal wahx u stejjer tax xahx.
Michael Cassar
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:57
Issa li lil Nikki Dimech warrabnih u floku ghamilna lil Joanna Gonzi, tahsbu li l-kuxjenza ta' PBO hija mistrieha? Tahsbu li Robert Arrigo huwa kuntent bis-sitwazzjoni? Tahsbu li taht Joanna Gonzi, l-Kunsill ser jimxi ahjar?
eric saliba
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:53
@ j farrugia. yes we all remember. we also remember how the bombs on people's doorsteps stopped as soon as the pn won the 1987 elections.
i see you did not deny what i wrote about the 'euphoria' and 'naharqu kollox'.
J Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:58
Ghax il-bomba lill-Arcisqof il-PN ghamilha????? Ghax il-bombii taparsi lic-0Chairman tal-airmalta il-PN ghamilha. Iva gew arrestati nies innocenti nazzjonalisti u ghamlu hin twil fic-cellel tad-depot. U x'irrizulta li kienu innocenti. Il-kriminali laburisti kellhom karta bjanka minghand il-leadership laburista u kellhom l-ardir li jaghmlu li jridu. Ma nqajmux klieb reqdin ghax inkella jigdmu. Trid tkun baxx u vili biex tallega li l-PN weggha lil PN stess. Hallina u mhux harref nah'ohra.
Frans Attard
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:49
'According to EU sources, the Commission had concerns that Malta might have infringed EU PUBLIC PROCUREMENT LAW in the tender procedure carried out by Enemalta.' (timesofmalta.com 03/10/2010)
This is an allegation of law-breaking, by none other than the EU itself, that the Malta Police did not dare to investigate.
Once again I ask, WHY??????????????????????????????????????
EU laws apply to our country or not????????????????????????????
Are we really part of the EU or not?????????????????????????????????
George Debono
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:14
RE
Once again I ask, WHY??????????????????????????????????????
To divert attention from Delimaragate...
VV Bartolo
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:40
to all die hard pns - pls stop referring to the past. IL-PASSAT MHUX GARANZIJA TAL-FUTUR! being a nationalist myself, dardartuni tmaqdru lil ohrajn u ma narawx it-travu f'ghajnejna!!! hsara qed naghmlu u mhux gid!!!
count on my vote as well PL. i've had enough of PN!! a change is needed immediately!!!
J Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:48
you are just a diehard labour. Dont try to sell us crap.
Marcel Dingli
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:09
J Farrugia it is people like yourself who are turning diehard Nationalists like myself into diehard Labourites. The PN needs to clean itself up and get rid of its arrogance.
K J Vella
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:02
Three questions to Dr Muscat:
If Nikki Dimech is guilty, then surely the Malta Labour Party councillors could have voted in favour of the motion for his removal to support an anti-corruption move by the Nationalist government?
If Nikki Dimech isn't guilty, then surely the MLP councillors could have voted against the motion in support of the alleged threats that came forth Paul Borg Olivier et al?
So, why did the MLP councillors abstain? Is it the case of "fra due litiganti, il terzo gode?" If this is the case, then Dr Muscat is more Machiavellian then he is trying to portray.
We need a change, and a change away from the MLP and PN dichotomy. Is there anyone to take their honoured place?
Ramon Casha
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:30
"So, why did the MLP councillors abstain?"
Perhaps because the case is still before the courts?
D. Scerri
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:31
Quite simply, because he has not been tried yet and therefore has not been found guilty or innocent of the charges.
Therefore it would not be correct to vote either way at this point in time.
Duh.
M. Fenech
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:32
Why all this 'if' and 'but'?? This was an issue within the PN, and I think it wasn't the PL's business, at all. Now they should be glad, cause they got rid of him. But we have to wait and see what happens in court, before we can say who's right, and who's wrong!!!!! Then after the court case ends, everybody can say what they want, but at least there would be the facts. What has been said, and is being said is all crap!
Robert Agius
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:39
If ..if ...if. You are the one using the IF word. Abstaining was the best solution otherwise you would be committing yourself to a statement. Ifs are only used in conditionals.
I do agree though... the 3rd option is Green. Many will tell you it's wasting your vote. Do dare vote with honour?
K J Vella
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:02
The use of the word "if" is to make hypothetical statements....
There's no "duh" in my statements. If the MLP are as honourable as they say they are then they would have voted and not abstained. Abstaining is cowardly - if you don't agree just say so. Abstaining is a non-committal position similar to the one taken on EU membership.
"it would not be correct to vote either way at this point in time" is sheer cowardice. You either decide to support a motion that removes an alleged corrupt person or not because you believe him innocent until proven guilty. A forked road means just that.
Having said that, PN are equally a bunch of cowards! They used Nikki Dimech as an example before trying him. They should have politely asked for his resignation ... it is a typical ploy and I suspect that Nikki Dimech was a thorn in someone's side ...
It is a shame that both our parties have brought to our country. I have no love for either any more and voting either means maintaining the duopoly the parties have on government. Isn't this anti-competitive?
Alexander Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:51
Ghax bhal dak li qallu Dr. Muscat se jwiegbek. Lol.
K J Vella
Sep 3rd 2010, 17:35
huma domandi retorici li jiena bhala persuna informata ghandi dritt ghax insaqsi ghax inhobb lil pajjizi. Inti ma tistaqsix domandi u thobb tikkumenta biex tipprova twaqqa' n-nies ghaz-zuffjett?
P.Scicluna
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:58
THE FGURA mayor was never removed but he resigned (may be forced to do so) and he was never accused with fraud like most of PN mayours being investigated. The Sliema saga is a powed soap opera that will get deeper into the filth.This is a PN problem created by PBO and I am sure and convinced that it hasn't got the blessing of his party. PBO duty was to sorth things out (same as Dr Toni Abela did at Fgura) before it gets out of hand. This is a problem to get the small fish and leave the sharks swimming at Delimara. It is a problem to remove attention from the huge problems which we are going to face regarding Delimara. Here it stinks so does PBO is going to ask the police to investigate. The majority of the PN supports (who are not stupid) thinks that the Delimmara power station same as Mater Dei stinks badly. PBO needs to put his act in order because he will soon face a domino effect.
R. Caruana
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:46
Yes, the Fgura Mayor resigned, he did the honourable thing once he was being forced. What we don't know is WHY he was made to resign... power struggle? corruption? unbecoming behaviour? lack of cooperation with the council? and so on and so forth?
The Fgura saga is NOT over, it's just been hushed up; we'll see.
And remember we've just seen another case, the deputy mayor of Gzira has just resigned from the PL. Gzira now has an independent deputy mayor if you didn't know, or wasn't the news on One TV?
eric saliba
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:55
@ j farrugia. do not mention thugs destroying party clubs because we all remember what happened in 1987 and 1992 when pn supporters destroyed most pl clubs in malta.
the then newly elected PM (EFA) described these actions as 'euphoria'.
and what about a former pn minister who said ' meta nitilghu naharqu kollox'?
it is not just the pl supporters who have done shameful acts as you would like us to believe.
J Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:22
We all have good memories of who broke, shot at and vandalised political clubs and which were the party clubs which were NEVER touched because Nationalist officials made sure and certain that no harm was done to them. We lived through those times and no labourite will change the history of our islands.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:42
J Farrugia..and we all know how the Police officials who were accused of brutality and protecting Labour thugs were promoted under a Pn Government
Karl Consiglio
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:51
So true what this article says of PN. But that still don't make PL any better.
J Busuttil
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:45
Dear PL-Partit ta Pilatu fil-kaz tal-BWSC l-Awditur Generali ma sabx provi ta korruzzjoni u inthom ma hadtux ir-rapport ta l-AG ghand il-pulizija biex tinvestiga. Imms f'Tas-Sliema kien hemm kaz quddiem il-Qorti u zgur li s-Sindku ma kellux iwebbes rasu u joqghod hemm. Inthom ghamiltu bhal Pilatu u hsiltu idejkom biex tas-Sliema tibqa instabbli. U aktar jista l-PL jghid ghax nehhewh is-sindku tal-Fgura ghax bqajtu ma ghidtu xejn.
Charles Zammit
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:34
Mr. Busuttil
What the auditor general found for sure is lack of co-operation. Circustantial evidence more than suggests filth.
In the Sliema mayor's case the guy has been found guilty by GONZIPN whilst his case is sub-judice. How is that for democracy??
P.Cassar
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:41
ONE SNAG:
THE PN HAS LONG BEEN SUCH A PARTY ALBEIT HUSH HUSH !!!!!
P J Xerri
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:24
Fuq il-korruzzjoni il-kredibilita' hi mill-aktar importanti. Ftit fatti:
1971-1987 - korruzzjoni istituzzjonalizzata. Kullhadd jaf li kienet tezisti u l-Gvern tal-gurnata ma kien jaghmel xejn biex jiehu passi. Illum ghad hemm nies f'karigi important fl-MLP (jew PL insomma ghax ir-ruh tibqa' l-istess minkejja l-hafna bdil ta' logos u armi u ismijiet) li kienu hemm fiz-zmien tad-dlam meta kullhadd kien jaghmel li jrid u passi ma kienu jittiehdu qatt.
2000-2010 - kull meta kien hemm allegazzjonijiet, kien il-partit fil-Gvern jew il-Gvern innifsu li ressaq kollox ghall-investigazzjoni ghand l-awtoritajiet kompetenti u kull meta nstab li kien hemm xi hadd li ghamel hazin - ittiehdu passi.
Dik il-kredibilta'. Mhux paroli imma azzjoni. Punto u basta.
Mikiel Zarb
Sep 3rd 2010, 12:28
Kemm dhaqt bil-qalb meta qrajt it-tharbixa tieghek! Kemm se ddum tghix fis-shab habib? Illum qedin fis-sena 2010 jekk ma tafx!
gcForte
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:42
Li tigi u issemmi l- korruzzjoni naqbel mieghek, pero mhux kif qeghed tghejd int, il korruzzjoni ilha fid dinja, min meta Alla kecca lil Adam u l- Eva. Li tigi u tghejd li mit 2000 sa 2010 iggielidna il korruzzjoni, ikollu ragun Mikiel Zarb jinfaqa bid dahq, ghax ghanke jien tbissimt.......Alla hares jitkellmu il hitan ta Kastilja, ghax zgur jikxfu kas ta korruzzjoni mil l-anqas wiehed fil gimgha, u diffnuh hemm gew. Jekk trid tmur fil perjodu ta 1971 u 1987, l-aktar korruzzjoni politikament u fid dawl tax xemx, li kien ghawn, ghamluh il membri kollha nazzjonalisti parlamentari immexxijin min Dr. Edward Fenech Adami, li fis sena 1981, li ghal kwazi min sentejn shah ma ghamlux xogholhom u kienu assenti fil parlament u thallsu xorta wahda. Min flusek u flusi. Dik tissejjah KORRUZZJONI........a galore
J Farrugia
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:19
LOOK WHO'S TALKIING. Dear Labour Party just tell us why your party decided to remove the people's respresentative (And Mayor) at the Fgura Local Council and replacing him with the Labour's choice and not with what the people had voted for. Malta cannot heed any lessons coming from Labour. They have nothing serious to teach the people except how to betray a whole nation and use criminals to destroy political party clubs, and beat its opponents to death. What has labour done to Mr Joe Camilleri of Gzira ( a labour councillor who decided to resign from being a Labour Counciller)?????? As the maltese saying goes: L-ispizjar milli jkollu jtik. The Maltese need no lessons in ethics from the Labour Party.
Jeremy J Camilleri
Sep 3rd 2010, 13:40
J farrugia..if the Fgura Mayor was guilty of fraud or anything similar, and you know that, then you should take the Prime Minister's advice, and report him to the police....Isn't that what Gonzi used to tell us?
A. Zahra
Sep 3rd 2010, 14:40
@ Jeremy camilleri
Why was he outsted. Have you and other Labour supporters been let into the secret? No, How very and usual untransparent of the MLP.
Marcel Dingli
Sep 3rd 2010, 11:18
PL i will be cutting my nose to spite my face. Next election you get my vote.
David Caruana
Sep 3rd 2010, 16:59
There is an alternative - and one that makes sense too.
Have a look at how the Greens shaped the current German political scene.