Students fined for swimming naked
Two Spanish students this morning pleaded guilty to offending public morals by swimming naked in St George’s Bay at around 5.20 a.m.
Pol Prat 20, Javier Peres-Albert, 19, were each jailed for one month suspended for a year and fined €100.
Police Inspector Nikolai Sant told the court that there was a huge problem at St George’s Bay, especially at night, when foreigners got drunk and swam naked.
Magistrate Edwina Grima appealed to authorities to take all the necessary steps to remedy the situation.
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Joe Xuereb
Aug 19th 2010, 14:45
@ Teresa Calleja, what I write is not all of me you know but what you write is. Typical Maltese 'holier-than-thou'. I respect 'so to speak' people expressing an opinion which is not the same as saying that I actually read and finish such opinions. A quick scan suffices. (hence my inaccuracy and your only semi-valid quibble). If you are that frightened of drunken men with their trousers round their ankles, I would advise you to run whereas they can't. If you've experienced the ultimate horror, I regret that for your sake, but other than that, I have no say in it being homosexual (I could tell YOU about intolerance endured especially from creatures such as you). Don't go swimming at St.George's Pool at 5.20am if you can help it is my advice to you. You live far as you say so it shouldn't be difficult.
About what I write, intolerance, shoving things down people's throats, etc. you don't have to read any of it. You always have a choice. You don't have to get your knickers in a twist you know. Keep away from me and San Gorg, il-bajja ta'. LoL!!!
PS In MY book you ARE inquisitive.
Theresa Calleja
Aug 13th 2010, 22:07
@ Mr Xuereb...
1) I do not live anywhere near St George's Bay...
2) 'liberal' in quotes is not sarcastic... being Liberal implies tolerance, looked hard for some in your comments, only found an imposition of your beliefs on those who do not share them (to the degree of expecting a law change to accommodate you) and a myriad of unfounded personal attacks.
3) As a man who (I guess) does not have experience with women who have suffered rape and abuse you would not understand why some women would feel threatened by drunk naked men whereas men (the physically stronger sex) would not.
4 "'when you should be preparing yourself for the very first Mass, tal-kaccaturi (hunters' Mass, as we say) 'cause you have a busy schedule ahead. Like putting your nose out of joint sniffing out other people's business." Disrespectful, aggressive, untrue,defamatory, highly intolerant... definition of the Maltese 'liberal'?
John Brad
Aug 13th 2010, 21:34
There is a fine line between immorality and witch hunting. No one says it is ok to walk naked in the city center an noon. But hunting people down in the middle of the night to see what are they doing, "saint pure girl" hanging on the beach at night and being "displeased", c'mon, that is pure hypocrisy. And that is not morality or piety, it is just religious legalism.
Stephen Borg Cardona
Aug 13th 2010, 21:23
Let them enjoy their holiday in peace ! The amount of hypocrisy in Malta is astounding.
Joe Xuereb
Aug 13th 2010, 20:57
2) This of course all happened soon after Franco's, the ultra-religious fascist, dictatorship came to a timely end. Spain opened its lungs at last. The repressed Spanish fuego (fire) had been simmering away for so long they did not hang about too much waiting for someone to give them freedom. They took the bull by the balls, sorry, by the horns and Spain is the country we have today. A beautiful country in spite of its problems. Just like Malta. Except that Malta seems to have more problems that a beauty that once was. Ole!!
Joe Xuereb
Aug 13th 2010, 20:47
1) It is more than thirty years ago (1977?) that I spent a holiday on Mykonos' (Greece) Paradise Beach (a nudist beach - not a colony; but a secluded beach for anyone wanting to be naked. It was my first time, I was with female work-colleagues, I was young, I wanted to explore life, it was embarrasing at first but took to it like a duck to water. One could only get to this beach on a rickety boat that took about 50 people at a time). I've been to saunas/Turkish baths all over the world, from Montreal to Istanbul, via Durban. I am still in one piece, my spirit squeaky-clean. At about the same time (late seventies) I was in very Catholic Spain and visited a nudist beach that wasn't even secluded (just a section of a much larger beach - they have long beaches in Spain).
There were youngISH couples entirely naked, relaxed, picnicking and talking together. They behaved exactly like they had clothes on. I wonder if that's the answer to sexual/marriage neurosis? Not godly for sure, buy hey!! if it works!
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maria farrugia
Aug 13th 2010, 20:44
The law is the law, and it should be respected. When we visit other countries, we abide to their laws, so why all the big deal here!!!!!!!! Try throwing a sweet wrapper in a foreign country..............
pat camilleri
Aug 13th 2010, 20:32
There were several doing the same thing in Sliema near in exiles. Others were virtually copulating on the beach. We called the police but don't know if the officers did go down to the rocks as we had to leave the beach ,as we would rather not expose my two young grandchildren to such obscenities. I am no prude, and suggest that they pay their money and go and do what they like in one of the many hotels which were built for the convenience of these so called students.All I can say is it is against the law in Malta. Try doing the same thing in Spain. I can tell you you would be taken to the police station and charged.
John Brad
Aug 13th 2010, 20:01
Geez! What a country of barbarians. Maybe Malta worth visiting but with such people, better somewhere else.
A.Tanti
Aug 13th 2010, 19:05
I'd like to applaud Daphne Caruna on her thoughts about this naked swimming "incident". I couldn't agree with her more and think that this whole issue is ridiculous, a waste of time and money! I'm fairly sure that there are MUCH better things that the "powers that be" can be using their time and effort. If anyone would like to read her article, you can find it at this link:
http://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2010/08/12/malta-in-2010-where-skinny-dipping-gets-you-a-prison-sentence/
Yes these two boys were perhaps wrong for what they did -at least according to the law in Malta. And they should have respected the laws while living or traveling here or in any other country for that matter. But to "cut off their private part, put it on ice and display at the airport for all to see"? That is a seriously extremist way of thinking and living. It boggles my mind that one would even say or believe something like that! I highly doubt the God would condone something like this and that you would get into heaven any faster by doing such an act in his name! I can't do anything but shake my head at this whole non-issue!
Joe Xuereb
Aug 13th 2010, 18:55
@ Theresa Calleja (23hrs. ago). You live a stone's throw from St. George's Bay. Bully for you! Quoting your good (as in pious) self: 'As a woman I do not feel safe swimming around drunk, naked men... apologies to any 'liberal' who fails to see why!'. Ms. Calleja, as a Liberal - note the capital L, absence of sarcastic inverted commas, LIBERAL writ large, I certainly see why but from a more liberal angle. May I say, what are the chances of you finding yourself swimming with frolicking, drunken, naked young senoritos, horny as toreros, at 5.20am when you should be preparing yourself for the very first Mass, tal-kaccaturi (hunters' Mass, as we say) 'cause you have a busy schedule ahead. Like putting your nose out of joint sniffing out other people's business.
What could be more beautiful than a beautiful young man coming out of the frothy sea - a kind of male Venus of Botticelli but without covering his 'god-given'.** A young man made in god's image as people say. Except as a liberal I think a beautiful young naked man can stand on his own image never mind anybody else's.
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Venus_(Botticelli)
Joseph Schembri
Aug 13th 2010, 20:53
I love your comment Joe :-) Happy to see that you celebrate your sexuality instead of condemning those that are having fun!
I have a feeling that many of these holier than all of thou types are just plain envious of the fun that they cannot have or have never had.
Joseph E Briffa
Aug 13th 2010, 18:36
We are becoming the laughing stock of Europe......taking youngsters to court and having them convicted for a month - though suspended - AND fined for swimming naked in the small hours of the morning. Will we be recruiting moral police like Iran?
Keith Monaco
Aug 13th 2010, 18:24
PAJJIZ TAL-MICKEY MOUSE
Ma tistax toghom kif halqek alla.
Ma tistax taghmel bbqs hdejn il-bahar.
Jekk ma thllasx, lanqas tista tmur camping mal- familja.
Min irid jibqa il- lejl barra, jigifieri akter mill-4:00am ma jistax.
X jistaw jamlu mela dawn il-povri maltin..... jahdmu bhal klieb biex jipprovaw ilahhqu mal-hajja u nipprovaw inderru rwihna ma dawn il-ligijiet bla sens.
U l- ftit turisti li jigu, inkunu qed najdulom..... mur spanja, il- grecja u postijiet ohra fejn huma aktar tolleranti minna.
Nistaqsi..........FEJNA IL-LIBERTA LI NIFTAHRU BIHA.
J.Torio
Aug 13th 2010, 16:19
I am a Spanish living in Malta for many years. I am also ashamed of the behavior of some compatriots who come here without any respect.and understand that someone gets a fine strip and disorderly conduct (even at 5:00 am) But a month in jail?Are u kidding me? Not much difference between that and radical arab countries, no?
Mario Muscat
Aug 13th 2010, 15:55
Swimming naked is evil , God is against swimming naked , God is not asleep. As a good RC we should set example to all Europe , any man caught swimming naked we should cut his private part ,put it in Ice and display at the Airport for all to see. We should tell all Europe that God is not asleep and its evil to swim naked in Malta.
JM Camilleri
Aug 13th 2010, 17:44
you would be a good Moslem fundamentalist. Are you sure you're RC?? Your morals lean very much towards the Moslem religion. Please think before putting pen to paper. Being impulsive never works.
Jason Aquilina
Aug 13th 2010, 17:49
Hey Mario,
Say hi to the staff at Mount Carmel for me, will you?
...ghax trid tkun vera m'ahniex biex thalli nies bhalek jiggerew fit-triq rass!
Joseph Schembri
Aug 13th 2010, 18:58
There must be something not quite right with you if you want to see young men's private parts cut off and displayed in ice at the airport. Meanwhile what do you suggest that we do to women who skinny dip or bathe topless?
Mario Muscat
Aug 13th 2010, 22:10
lol just pulling your legs guys , as far as I am concerned they can swim naked or walk naked down republic street, does not make a difference to me. Peace be with you , I am off to sleep
Robert Calafato
Aug 13th 2010, 14:49
" I skinny dipped when I was a bit younger in the same spot with a mixed group of friends, we're all now doctors, lawyers, social workers..."
This is great news!!! The waters at St.George's bay are miraculous!!!!
I wonder what these two Spanish students will become....... Lawyers, Doctors, Social workers... who knows!!
M.Camilleri
Aug 13th 2010, 14:11
I skinny dipped when I was a bit younger in the same spot with a mixed group of friends, we're all now doctors, lawyers, social workers... why ruin a persons conduct for something so inoffensive?
B. Cachia
Aug 13th 2010, 13:45
I think our Government should consider declaring a state of emergency and bringing out the army to establish order on our beaches.
Skinny-dipping? They used to do that at the time of the Roman Empire and see how they ended up! Action now please, before our society collapses around us!!
sam galea
Aug 13th 2010, 13:53
you are exagerrating
B. Cachia
Aug 13th 2010, 14:41
@ Sam Galea: You'll know I'm right when Heaven visits us with the bubonic plague for our sins. Sinners cannot escape the wrath of Heaven! Everyone knows what I'm saying.
SKINNY-DIPPING NEVER!!!
Matthew Mintoff
Aug 13th 2010, 16:24
I hope you are being sarcastic
joseph grima
Aug 13th 2010, 16:27
HAHAHA !! u le jahasra...kemm ghadkom lura......i feel sorry for you
JM Camilleri
Aug 13th 2010, 17:46
i would bring out the army if there are another 1,000 individuals with your mentality. Are you serious? What they did was not right, but come on, aren't you exaggerating!!!!!!!
Mark Zerafa
Aug 13th 2010, 18:35
Maybe you wish to reintroduce the Spanish Inquisition?
Get a life!
o.galea
Aug 13th 2010, 13:22
There's a huge difference between skinny dipping and lying around naked on a beach.
There is totally nothing wrong in skinny dipping if one is discreet (in order not to offend any passers by) and one should be able to do this anywhere.
As for folk who like to sunbathe in the nude... then let's set aside a secluded beach for this.
Re Topless bathers: it's had absolutely NO effect on my children.
Robert Calafato
Aug 13th 2010, 13:21
Mr. Schembri, they could not be the same police that "shot "at you and beat you to a "pulp" in the 80's since that was 30 years ago and they are probably all retired now !!
Hang on, what on earth has this got to do with swimming naked at St. George's bay?
Denis Calleja
Aug 13th 2010, 12:58
Excuse me please, this is part of a national issue. Swimming naked is only the tip of the iceberg. The arrogance in the streets, where they stay, where they study is intolerable. We cannot accept this arrogance from anyone. There is word that they are closing the bay because of this. Yes the foreigners are depriving us from using our bay.
What if whoever is happy with naked swimming gets a bottle in his head from these drunk people or any other Maltese resident?
You cannot drive safely on the roads in St. Julians. They come down the streets at anytime of night till early morning shouting. As far as I know, disturbing public peace is an offense.
Lets get together and stop this nonsense once and for all. We have a right to live in peace and whoever is responsible for public peace, take action please!!
Joseph Schembri
Aug 13th 2010, 12:55
I think people should stop blaming the police. They do not operate in a vacuum - they operate in an environment created by the legislators (in this case the main one is the Justice minister) and the courts of law. These may be the same police who in the 80's shot at us and beat us to a pulp for protesting against a socialist regime. Their actions at the time were accepted, maybe even encouraged by the state. Nothing has changed - the justice system and the government have just changed their targets to a different group of victims.
When I was younger I 'skinny dipped' countless times off the coast of Xghajra - it hurt no one and we had loads of laughs. The police didn't care at the time as they were busy doing what the government of the time required such as firing tear gas at peaceful demonstrators.
Joseph Schembri
Aug 13th 2010, 13:06
Justice Minister - if you ever read these comments - note my reference to Xghajra. The place where I and countless others swam naked is close to you home. Don't you feel bad about this? The police were busy ignoring us though, as good men like your father, Dr. Ugo Mifsud Bonnici and the late Prof Guido de Marco were fighting human rights cases in court. Serious cases. Tell your magistrates (and if you can't do that then tell your police) to stop wasting court time and to solve the huge problem that the so called justice systme has become. Aren't you ashamed that a man has been in prison for 11 years awaiting trial and he is presumed INNOCENT, while court time is wasted by two young men who have dared do what most of us have done countless times?
Alan Bonnici
Aug 13th 2010, 12:30
Wake Call Malta we need a nude beach for ppl who want to go and swim naked
Joseph Sammut
Aug 13th 2010, 14:20
Nude beaches are usually secluded: would the trash ravellers of Paceville travell to the secluded beach to show their skin? This Paceville thing has got nothing to do with nude beaches.
Joe Xuereb
Aug 13th 2010, 12:28
@ Sur Pulis. Your head is indeed the only thing showing when you're in the water. But if you're naked because your Y-Fronts came off and they're down there, you'll dive for them they're the only pair you have. And what happens? Your ass cleaves the sea-surface and in a small bay like St. George's, your ample behind fattened -on good Maltese fare will cause a mini-tsunami. Causing a tsunami and boats to rock-and-roll would cost you quite a fine I imagine. So tighten the elastic round your waist - what waist?! - so you don't lose your knickers.
More seriously, thinking about Stitching (banned play), and definition of a theatre as public place, are there any saunas in Malta? In sauna men are entirely naked. If a sauna is regarded as a public place (like a theatre) are saunas operating illegally, if they exist at all? Hypocrites!!
@Gerry Cowie. Babies being fined for coming out naked, you say? I thought you were very fond of Maltese-style religiosity. You're not defecting are you Cowie? People are so ingratiating as long as it suits them. They then become fickle, U-Turns. And they go back to wherever it is they came from.
Joe Xuereb
Aug 13th 2010, 12:26
Familiarisation with the object feared resolves the fear (homo-eopathy of the soul I call it - curing like with like). As in for example, if you fear heights, look down from the lift in Barrakka Gardens. There's a safety-rail. You'll soon learn that you don't die by looking at a height.
Now then!! I have seen thousands of naked men of all ages and shapes, at all times, none hiding their 'shame' under water. And I am talking of close proximity, bless 'em!. These policemen, assuming they are heterosexuals (no, it's not a given that being a policeman equates being hot-bloodied heterosexual male, or female, as the case may be - do you see what I mean?) - as I was saying, these policemen, have THEY seen thousands of naked women like my equivalent with men? Ok, a hetero-male doesn't have the same opportunity to live my lifestyle but there are magazines, the internet, where he could catch up, be happy for hours/days on end. He should try it. It is called immunising yourself against the thing you fear. As if!! Ay-ay-ay-ay-Ay!!!!!! What a gay day!
I wonder if there'll be an encore at 5.20am at St. George's Bay. Spoilsports!!!!!!!
josette darmenia
Aug 13th 2010, 10:19
Well well well, thumbs up to the courts for being so efficient for once, a hearing in a few hours and given a sentence!! I have a case in court and it is taking years to give a sentence. Is this not against human rights? Is this not discrimination to give a sentence in such a short time to foreigners and my case is taking toooooooo long!!!! Please someone, PM or whoever is concerned, pls take action as I think I am walking upside down and not seeing things clearly!!!
Joe E Galea
Aug 13th 2010, 12:17
And I have a case in court in which I am suing a person who almost demolished my apartment due to his negligence while carrying construction activities in his plot, it is already almost over a year that my case have been going on and no light at the end of the tunnel is visible yet, as there is always an excuse by the court. Then because 2 youngsetrs show their firilla
A.Attard
Aug 13th 2010, 10:00
I think that we are not so much advanced as we are trying to prove by our comments, because if that was the case it would not be one of the most commented articles.There are far much more serious news than this.In Malta swimming nude is a crime get over it guys and grow up
Neil Sant
Aug 13th 2010, 09:15
"Officer, there's an old woman being tied up and robbed!!" "Don't worry. I'll handle it, right after I thwart the evil schemes of these 2 dastardly nudists!"
mario aquilina
Aug 13th 2010, 07:46
We used to swim naked at midnight at Ghar Lapsi, 35 years ago. Nothing new.
Time we had a proper nudist beach, before my eyesight deteriorates.
Marianna Galea Xuereb
Aug 13th 2010, 04:41
“a huge problem at St George’s Bay, especially at night, when foreigners got drunk and swam naked.”
If they are not offending or hurting anybody just let them be! It’s not as if they were flirting naked in front of minors at 10.00 am! I am more concerned about drunkenness than nakedness.
I wish police would concentrate more on bringing to justice people/bus drivers who smoke on buses, pubs, restaurants, around children etc. and less on the type of “transgressions” reported in this article.
Michel Bencini
Aug 12th 2010, 23:35
Veru m'ghandhomx x'jaghmlu l-qrati ta' Malta! Min kien qieghed barra jnemmes qabel ix-xemx? Imisshom jisthu jarrestaw gux turisti gharwenin taht il-mewg! X'hela ta' flus il-poplu u zmien prezzjuz! X'kull wahda, din! Din is-sentenza purcinellata mill-kbar nett li twaqqa' lil Malta ghaz-zufjett!
ray sammut
Aug 12th 2010, 22:45
vera pajjiz tad dahk, mela fil 5.20 am hemm il pulizija biex iharrku lil dawn , u waqt dak il qziz kollu li jkun hemm bil giri tal karozzi quddiem l-eden bejn il 11.00pm u 2.00am ma tarhom qatt, issa meta jigri xi accident serju u joqtlu lil xi hadd bil ksuhat ,imbaghad nisimhom il paroli fil vojt tas soltu
halluna!!!
Theresa Calleja
Aug 12th 2010, 19:06
1) The beach in question is a stone's throw away from residences, yes, some people do have jobs and no, waking up to naked drunken swimmers (male or female) is not the start of a good day.
2) As a woman I do not feel safe swimming around drunk, naked men... apologies to any 'liberal' who fails to see why!
mpace2
Aug 12th 2010, 17:22
Send them home they causing lot of trouble everyday specially in St Julians and Paceville area and these Spain braining students looks like they own the world they supposed they are over here to learn English not making love and striptease and staying till 06;00am wonder around the mentioned sites and in a few hours they attend English lessons???
S Azzopardi
Aug 13th 2010, 16:56
Making love and striptease... this is too funny!
This comment has made my day!
Miriam Debrincat
Aug 12th 2010, 16:42
It's better that instead of watching St George Bay they watch behind Hilton Hotel on the rocks cause it's like a sex temple with people totally naked having sex in the early morning hours. No one can say it's not true cause Hilton Employee see this disgusting scene going almost everyday, especially weekends. This has gotta stop. Even that when you go to the beach with young children you have to find someone topless for sure. I thought there was a beach specifically for these people, Paradise Bay! You try to avoid beaches and you go to a hotel pool paying good money to find again the same situation. Where are the Laws and Values? Why the goverment permit these people to use the beach like it was theirs private beach? Why the hotels don't stick with their policy? Their just afraid they might loose their temporary guests so they prefer to loose permanent clients, we Maltese that we are around all year long! I hope that some action can be taken on these situations cause they are not fair for families who has children.
a taliana
Aug 12th 2010, 16:32
Whatever happened to the George Cross island? Oh yes, it is now the HA HA island. Iran here we come. Ara veru issa tlifna l-boxxla ta.
E Aquilina
Aug 12th 2010, 16:20
Come on..... two young men swimming in the buff for a laugh or good old freedom!! Shock and horror.! Nude bathing when few people are around reminds me more of E.M. Foster's 'A Room with a View' rather than anything sordid. No lewed acts were reported, no one was offened, so what is the point of punishment here?
G Cuschieri
Aug 12th 2010, 16:18
Have anyone been at Spain in Barcellona in the centre of all the tourist,and notice an old man walking naked with a tatoo underwear and no one giving any notice,and he got something to show TA!!
joe pace
Aug 12th 2010, 16:17
mela ghandi l-malja naqra il- lakstu imgebbed ahjar nibdila ma tmurx taqali !
C Galea
Aug 12th 2010, 16:11
After having just spent three full weeks on this island called Malta this story is Shockingly SAD SAD SAD, Police and all Goverment ministers, all of you out there in control GET REAL AND GET A LIFE. I though being born naked is the norm, but of course nakedness is real harmfull and EXTREMELY DANGEROUIS TO ONES HEALTH. Nakedness at night is far too a serious a crime in Malta.God Forbid. What about each and every bus and car and truck that is choking all the inhabitants from breathing properly which i saw lots off ?????? Is this not costing the country a lot more money and taking away the fun. Perhaps thes kids inhaled too many fumes and it went to their herads? CONSIDER THAT ? GET REAL ALL OF YOU OUT THERE. ENFORCE THESE LAWS that REALLY MATTER .
John Jaccarini
Aug 12th 2010, 16:10
This reminds me of an episode of a friend of mine who was swimming naked outside Gnejna Bay. The Mobile Sea Police came up on him with their boat and asked him there and then 'urina l-ID card'. Makes you wonder where one can keep an ID card on when swimming naked!!
Anyway, after swimming back to shore with the police on his trail, he got his ID card from his bag. His particulars were taken and still got fined by the courts for immorality.
mjbagley
Aug 13th 2010, 08:57
Immorality? Yeah, like there were cameras underwater? Probably the fish reported that! LOL!
Susan Moore
Aug 12th 2010, 14:45
Since when is the Police force policing swimmers from down below?
Are they equipped with Scuba-diving gear? Torches? Night-vision goggles for good measure?
Whichever way you look at it... somebody at St Georges Bay is guilty of Voyeurism.
Is photographic evidence available too?
I'd appreciate being included in the jury next time! Thanks!
Patrick Sacco
Aug 12th 2010, 14:01
Was there a sign informing swimmers not to swim naked?
Claudia Bautz
Aug 12th 2010, 12:56
Something else comes just in my mind:
What is with all the young tourist girls, they walk only IN BIKINI (!!!) on the pavements in Sliema, Gzira, San Gwann etc.???
Not near the beach - no- in the middle of shops, restaurants, churches - surrounded by lots of people, young and old, and children. Crowded places!
This offends ME! Not, because I am jealous. I was honestly shocked, when such young woman passing by, because there was nothing hiding.
And I am sure, nobody jail them 1 month. Everybody knows, why.
Where is the example in such cases, please, Mr Joseph Aquilina?
Claudia Bautz
Aug 12th 2010, 12:46
Oh my god, I cannot believe it!!!
Is it such a hard crime to swim with just the dress god gave all of us???
I am shocked to read this!
There are criminal people, who are selling drugs or trying to kill people, and the punishment for that is in nothing, comparatively to this for swimming naked.
Of course, if someone feels offended (what I cannot imagine at 5.20am), they should be advised. So a warning should be enough.
But to jail youngsters for such a boyisch fun...
I think now they have a strange impression of our island, and they wont speak good about their time here, when they're back home.
Please, relax and let the people have at least some fun at night!
Keith Chircop
Aug 12th 2010, 12:36
So the police have been staking out the beach at 5am, hoping to see some TnA?
JAFarrugia
Aug 12th 2010, 12:03
Just goes to show what a pathetic police force and Justice system we have.
M. Zarb
Aug 12th 2010, 12:01
Jail, for 20-year olds, for swimming naked in an hour so early, it was probably still dark.
I can understand the fine, but... jail? Really?
Stella Calleja
Aug 12th 2010, 11:32
Fil-5.20 ta filodu, il-hut ta go l-ilma hassewhom offizi hafna b'dak li raw, u l-bram hadu skandlu kbir. Irridu naghmlu xi haga dwara din il-problema. Ma nistawx inhallu l-hut u l-bram jaraw dawn l-affarjiet moqzieza f'hin daqshekk krucjali tal-gurnata.
B'hekk hemm bzonn li nhassru l-kondotta ta zewg guvintur ghadhom jibdew il-hajja, billi nwahhluhom multa u nitfawhom xahar habs. Dan huwa necessarju sabiex il-hut u l-bram jhossuhom li saret gustizzja.
D. Scerri
Aug 12th 2010, 11:26
The police inspector should be promoted as it is thanks to officials like him that criminals are apprehended. Get a life !!!
Therese Vella
Aug 12th 2010, 11:12
3 points:
1.Drinking and swimming, whether clothed or not is a SERIOUS mistake.
2. The Paceville area almost seems to be the new Sodom & Gomorrah - drink combined with drugs, rampant sex, vandalism, thieving, fighting & swearing, skinny dipping...
3. I once brought over a group of young people from Ukraine on a youth exchange programme and the first thing they asked me was how do we go to Paceville?
Adriran Vella
Aug 12th 2010, 11:11
Hey Mr. Taliban tally me banana............................
o.galea
Aug 12th 2010, 11:04
a warning by the police should have sufficed.
They should have just been told to get dressed and go home.
the beach was deserted at that time after all.
How traumatic for these young students to be dragged to court.
I'm surprised the magistrate didn't throw the case out of court.
Bernard Storace
Aug 12th 2010, 11:01
Much ado about nothing.....Fines given out and collected on the spot will most probably never be allowed in catholic Malta (as is normal practice in most other countries) for the very simple reason that the officer(s) collecting the fine might end up pocketing it instead. Dipping, of course, but not 'skinny'; how about into the public purse then?
R Marquette
Aug 12th 2010, 10:48
May I ask the authorities for an update about the investigation with regards to the recent cases of vandalism in St Julians? I am aware of 2 cases in particular, 1 in a particular street in Balluta where a couple of drunk students vandalized tens of cars and the other case about the students vandalizing a telephone box infront of Park Towers in St. Julians!! I think that in both cases a fine and suspended jail sentence would have been more appropriate in these cases!
Or maybe ............ everyone is making a fuss about skinny dipping coz it offends the country's religious beliefs?? I must say that during the last couple of years, every single case that offended Catholics was exaggerated and ended in court!
Who is in real total control of this country?? The Church or The Government??
On a final note ... please remember that Tourism is the strongest industry on our Island ... all these things are not helping it grow for sure!
Ian Micallef
Aug 12th 2010, 10:07
Incredible, why not sentence them to life in prison and fine them a few thousand euros!! Who is awake anyway at 5.20am ??? Who was offended ? Would they have got fined less if perhaps it was 3am ?? I say we all go swimming at 830am .... then there will be noone to offend .... and how did they get caught couldnt they have just swam away.
Got to get off this rock !
Joe Borg
Aug 12th 2010, 12:09
@ Ian Micallef,
I suggest you try doing it in Spain yourself and see if you get away with a 100 Euro fine!!
That will be a fast way to get of this rock !
Neil Sant
Aug 12th 2010, 20:09
I hear ya mate. I'm out of here in October. It's a nice place to go on holiday but the fundamentalism is getting excessive. Malta will be much more liberal in a few years' time but we've still a long way to go before we actually grow up and mature as a country.
Joseph Sammut
Aug 13th 2010, 06:06
How did they get caught: may there were people at 5am! And with your reasoning, the sooner you get off this rock, the better.
t. borg
Aug 12th 2010, 10:03
ahna niddependu mit-turizmu. studenti huma turisti u qed ihallu l-flus. meta jikbru jergu jigu mall-familji taghhom bhal ma kienu s-servizzi inglizi. ghandu jkun hemm nude beach maghluq. ghaliex le? min irid imur imur, min huwa skupruz ma jmurx. din tal-puritani toffendini ghax li timponi l-opinjoni fuq haddiehor tikser id-drittijiet. meta se nikbru?
Ernest Vella
Aug 12th 2010, 13:43
Lilek u ghal kull min jiddefendidan l-imbarazz...imissek tisthi Sur Borg...il-flus mhux kollox u min ma jridx jigi ma jigiex imma hemm dik li tissejjah dicenza...hadd m'ghandu d-dritt joffendi l-moralita ta l-iehor meta din taghmel sens...biex jinzel jghum ma jaffordjax jixtri malja dan possibli...mela kemm huwa qammiel.
Min semma r-religjon kattolika jidher li lanqas jaf fuq x'hiex qed jitkellem jew tant ghandu ghal knisja li jrid izzeffina fin-nofs...morali pubblika tissejjah u m'ghandiex x'taqsam ma religjon jew ohra
J Farrugia
Aug 12th 2010, 13:55
malta hija artna u mhux art il-barrani u min jigi hawn irid jagixxi ta nies inkella turist u mhux jitlaq il barra. Ahna meta mmorru barra mill-pajjiz ma niksru ebda ligi ta' hadd. It-turisti jridu jirrispettaw il-ligijiet u tt-tradizzjonijiet taghna inkella, nippreferi mmut bil-guh. Ma rridux ruffjani f'artna. Ghandna bizzejjed Maltin li jtpatpulhom fuq spallejhom.
Joseph Sammut
Aug 13th 2010, 06:11
I don't think what happens at St. Georges Bay/Paceville is a nudist beach issue: it''s Paceville ravelling punto e basta. Proper strict police action is in order here followed by proper court sentencing - no suspended sentences please.
M.Camilleri
Aug 12th 2010, 09:40
So the Sliema mayor who admits to receiving a Commission gets a front page interview on the TOM and two guys who skinny dip (who hasn't done it when they were kids?) get a suspended sentence? Draconian.
Daniel Vella
Aug 12th 2010, 12:51
Some do it even when they're grown up *winkwink*.
Pajjiz tad-dwejjaq insomma
gcForte
Aug 12th 2010, 08:42
Mn`Alla l-ggant tal palazz ghandu dik il werqa, ghax mur ara x`festa jghamlu bih............HUX
V.Briffa
Aug 12th 2010, 12:15
Tidher li ilek ma tidhol il-palazz ghax ilha li taritlu l-werqa!!!!!
Jien personali nara sentenza imkabbra, imma jekk hemm ligi ghaliex ma tigiex rispettata ikun x'hin ikun, jewillha ma marrux wara kantuniera jizufjettaw imma fic-centru ta bajja ... mhux biex idahhqu ghamluha mella hallihom igawdu issa, mur amilha pajjizhom aqbzilhom f'xi funtana jew xi stadium u ara tohrog hafif ...
M. Camilleri
Aug 12th 2010, 08:39
What would have happened if these 2 young men were 2 young women? Would we have made a fuss? I very much doubt it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kevin Cassar
Aug 12th 2010, 14:14
Yes they would! Have you already forgotten that a few weeks ago, the Stupid Brigade went to Mosta to remove unclothed manequins from a shop (that were put up for a very noble cause - a protest against human traficking).
Muscat Pat
Aug 12th 2010, 08:32
I suppose that we now have up and running the Police of Public Morals; just like Iran! The people who reported these students must have been wearing night vision goggles at 5.30am....when it is still dark!
Pierre Portelli
Aug 12th 2010, 08:09
This some kind of sick joke?! Who was around at 5.20 am to be offended? Some family with young kids? Do our police have nothing better to do?
Peter Korsten
Aug 12th 2010, 08:19
Young naked men tend to offend the morals a lot more than young naked women. :)
Rowena Scicluna
Aug 12th 2010, 20:32
@Pierre: That's exactly what I thought!
This country really has nothing better to do than waste police resources on this!
And then the chaos beyond Manwel Dimech bridge this morning was left to fester, without any police presence (as far as I could see) to control the traffic properly! It took me almost 1 hr to get from Swieqi to Mrabat!
R.Gatt
Aug 12th 2010, 08:06
Lol...instead of fining the students for swimming under the influence thus posing a threat to their own lives and potentially that of anyone coming to their rescue should anything go wrong, they get fined for swimming naked in public....That is unless swimming in the nude poses heavier fines than swimming under the influence of alcohol.
angela sultana
Aug 12th 2010, 07:45
should swimming naked offend public morals now that urt dear nation is becoming european and dying to introduce divorce!!!!
I recall divorce goes against our catholic principles.
Victor Vella
Aug 12th 2010, 06:49
Let`s chant the Maltese hym lill-din l-art helwa.... For swiming naked in the early hours of the morning one is jailed and for corruption nobody is jailed. It`s true-il-forka ghall-isvinturat. Continue chanting ..hares Mulej kif dejjem int harist.
Judy vassallo
Aug 12th 2010, 06:11
How petty police spending time worrying about nude bathers. What about the poor elderly people who are getting bashed and tied up in their own homes. Authorities have their priorities all wrong and society need to let them know.
Adrian Schembri
Aug 12th 2010, 05:51
Well what they had on show couldn't have bee more conspicuous than the Luqa monument could it? COULD IT???!?!?
Diana Borg Cardona
Aug 12th 2010, 02:11
As usual our police force go over the top when they are dealing with foreigners. I agree that there are students to misbehave & make a row in residential areas in the middle of the night & this should be dealt with in a sensible way; ie giving them a warning & maybe a fine on the spot for disturbing the peace and they won't repeat their mistake.
But a suspended sentence for skinny dipping is ridicullous. I've heard of middle ged (usually German) women taking off their clothes and swimming during the day in Mellieha & this went un-noticed.
But what I would like to know is how many times have the police taken young men on a stag night out to court & given them a similar sentence for striping the bridegroom-to-be naked on a beach when drunk in the early hours of the mornin?. I've even heard of them abandoning the unfortunate young man & making off with his clothes & car keys, yet not once have I heard of this ending up with the Maltese youths in court for offending public morals.
Karl Consiglio
Aug 12th 2010, 02:09
Sorry but if there was no sign that they can't skinny dip then they are free to go, same goes with many other things.
NBorg
Aug 12th 2010, 00:50
Does anyone know whether these delinquents will be given a grace period to come up with a fine of such magnitude?
And can "the authorities" reassure the public that the steep rise in Chlamydia of late is not a direct consequence of wild and uncontrolled skinny dipping?
The article was a great read, but some of the comments are even better. How soon before someone opens a Facebook group organising a mass skinny dip at St George's?
Joseph Carmel Chetcuti
Aug 12th 2010, 00:13
Offending public morals? I thought we were all created in God's image! Really, when will our Maltese society grow up? Is it any wonder that Malta's youth are leaving the island in droves. Malta is a society designed for the maladjusted elderly who think the world revolves aroiund them, their religion and their country. Little do they know.
Daniel Vella
Aug 11th 2010, 23:56
Come on! It's not like we Maltese never skinny-dipped
Philip Hili
Aug 11th 2010, 23:55
Min jikser il-ligi ghandu jiehu dak li haqqu. Nahseb li dawk kollha li qeghdin johduha kontra l-gustizzja ghax dawn iz-zewg studenti ippertendew li jigu hawn Malta u jghamlu li jridu, sejrin zball. Ghala? Ghax kieku dawn it-talin li qed johduha kontra l-gustizzja jmorru Spajna u jiksru l-ligi ma nahsibx li ser johorg b'xejn.
C Gatt
Aug 12th 2010, 08:20
Sur Hili, ma nahsiebx li xi hadd Spanja se jisppicca b'sentenza ta' habs lanqas! U billi tmur tghum gharwien fil-hamsa ta filghodu ma jfissierx li Malta tista taghmel li trid! Lanqas li ahna il-Maltin maghmilniex l-istess haga, mhux darba jew tnejn. X'attittudni! Mela jaqaw Malta saret skola gall-barranin bis-surmast li jizzommok wara l-hin. Tifel ta' 19 il-sena jisppica b'rekord kriminali ghax mar jghum gharwin!! U hallina!
Joseph Schembri
Aug 11th 2010, 23:41
Heqq, mela insejtuh dan l-artiklu l-gimgha l-ohra:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100729/local/a-beach-to-love-at-first-dive
X'tort ghandhom imsieken....
A Cremona
Aug 11th 2010, 23:07
One has to live in Paceville to know how annoying these so called students are. Those who live in Paceville, St Julians etc who need to catch an early bus to go to work have to wake up with a load of Spanish singing and chanting roaming around as soon as the buses start working. Not only, you would be lucky to find a place on a bus!
Vasilisa Brandenburg
Aug 12th 2010, 14:39
It's good to see them singing... compensates for the sight of grumpy bus driver :-)
jcamilleri
Aug 11th 2010, 22:59
Ejja nhallu 'l kulhadd jghum gharwien. modernizmu, le? Halluna.
Prosit lill-pulizija u lill-Magistrat.
chantal sciberras
Aug 11th 2010, 22:46
its was 5.20 am in the morning for god sake!! who did they offend? the passing shark maybe! its a bit of drunk fun...... taking them to court, how silly doesn't our justice system have anything better to do!!
Jaycee Sullivan
Aug 11th 2010, 22:41
OMG - What a disgrace. Naked. Naked I tell you! At 5:20 in the morning.
Didn't the Boy in Blue have anything better to do than defend the Island's morality at that time of the morning.
A Cardona
Aug 11th 2010, 22:24
pls keep these stories coming!! The island of stand up comedians!! =D
Have had enough of hearing about natural disasters,wars,hold ups and taxes. Since Paul the Octopus we need something to make us smile and laugh again on the news! =D These stories are perfect!
Muchas gracias amigos!
Mark Vella Bardon
Aug 11th 2010, 22:07
Fast track court for this nonsense ... while perpetrators of animal cruelty as well as other more serious crimes have yet to be charged, let alone sentenced!
Just as well that there were no sharks around other than the police.
I wonder if the divers were brought in to capture the evidence on camera ...
S Zammit
Aug 11th 2010, 22:00
Very huge problem indeed. Wouldn't a small show by a police officer onsite have achieved the same result?
Kurt Saliba
Aug 11th 2010, 21:59
U hallina, issa illum rajt mara minajr il-flokk tghum, ghanna ingibuwa fuq it-times u ntellawa il-qorti ukoll?
U fil-5am qas li kien hemm bahar mimli
Robert Callus
Aug 11th 2010, 20:50
What I find disturbing is the fact that while the Court is wasting time on these absurd victimless 'crimes', we read in this same newspaper about a person who has been waiting (under arrest) for nearly 10 YEARS for a crime he is still not found guilty of.
Many drug addicts are working on their rehabilitation, building everything from scratch but know something. One day, whenever that will be they have no idea, they will be tried, possibly ending up in prison. They can't really plan their life, the Courts might take years to try them. They are too contemplating the sentence of naked night swimmers.
Joseph Schembri
Aug 11th 2010, 21:59
One of the best comments that I have read in ages. The morality police backed by Carm Mifsud Bonnici 'the justice minister' are busy looking for naked teenagers while people who need help and are presumed innocent rot in what is laughingly called the justice system. Isthi ministru! Kif tista toroqd bil lejl meta taf li hemm nies il habs ghal snin twal jistennew 'gudizzju' mis sistema bazwija li inti in charge minnha?
R.Borg
Aug 11th 2010, 20:13
5.20 a.m. and still outside.
WHAT A ROTTEN SOCIETY!
E. Ciantar
Aug 11th 2010, 22:06
R. Borg,
5.20am and ALREADY outside. In fact, not even the time to put their clothes on.
What a RESPONSIBLE society.
Stefan Muscat Doublesin
Aug 11th 2010, 22:48
I hope you are being sarcastic.
If not, I should remind you that the DAY is made up of 24 hours and not to judge others by your standards, especially when they are not minors and are on holiday and most especially when they are not disturbing your peace!
Michael Attard
Aug 12th 2010, 00:57
Yeah .. round them up and burn them at the stake! .... doh!
david sciberras
Aug 12th 2010, 08:02
What's rotten is them swimming naked knowing they broke the law.
But also what's rotten is you.
Who are you to judge how awful a society is if others come back at home at a time not to your personal likings?
Gerry Cowie
Aug 11th 2010, 19:47
I am surprised they don't fine new babies for being naked at birth!
Matthew Dougall
Aug 11th 2010, 21:57
HAHA, well said mate :)
B.Attard
Aug 11th 2010, 19:26
Hafna fuss fuq cucata. Il-pulizija ahjar jaraw min imur jizgassa l-bibien tax-xjuh , jsawwathom, jorbothom u jisraqhom ghax dis-siegha din it-tip ta' kriminalita regghet gholiet rasha. Imma b'xi hmerija bhal din irridu naghmlu FUSS shieh.
MBorg
Aug 11th 2010, 19:08
Touche, very bad English. I changed part of that sentence before I hit the submit button. How about " you must be really proud of yourselves " much better I must say
If we have to pick hairs " if you dont like it ....you dont see it " the trouble is if you are not blind you will still see it , like it or not. However - if you dont like it .... dont look at it .Get it ?
You told me to lighten up. the way you wrote makes one think that we have to put on shades when close to you. All that light can harm our eyes.
Timmy Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 18:51
I feel so much safer that these hard criminals have been dealt with before i might have had the misfortune of stumbling onto these two........ma xi skandlu!!!!! :) and lol at the police inspector "huge problem" if only that was the harshest crime taking place in Malta we d be living a much safer life!!!!
George Debono
Aug 11th 2010, 21:22
Quite, Timmy
WE SHOULD DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY !
Well, er, actually, they were fined more than the hunter who punched a birdlife guy in the face.
I think we'ver got it all wrong - But then we are christians...
G
Vasilisa Brandenburg
Aug 12th 2010, 14:34
LOL lets declaire war to Spain LOL
Ivan Scicluna
Aug 11th 2010, 18:50
Am I paying taxes to have the country attend to this crap? Can we concentrate on the many important things we have to do please?
R.Cauchi
Aug 11th 2010, 18:39
It's not OK to go for a dip at 5.20am in your "birthday swimsuit" and you'll get a jail term suspended for offending public morals, but then it's perfectly legal and OK to let off aerial explosives very early in the morning scaring the wits out of young children, disturbing the terminally ill and the elderly. And you'll get a warning for being naughty and using violence to headbutt somebody you don't like. Yes in Malta we've got our priorities absolutely right!
I love Malta, never a boring moment.......
sandra camilleri
Aug 11th 2010, 18:35
dawn zgur ma bezawx mix-shark hahahahaha
Paul Saliba
Aug 11th 2010, 21:45
sandra camilleri xieraq hatfilhom is-sunnara ghax jahsibha lixka!!!!!!!!!
Matthew Dougall
Aug 11th 2010, 21:59
lool tghid :P?
James Attard
Aug 11th 2010, 18:30
I wonder whether I should laugh or cry when I hear about these court decisions...
Karl Consiglio
Aug 11th 2010, 18:28
Victor Pulis,
Dak Franciz kien
sam galea
Aug 11th 2010, 18:57
where is the shark re[ported last weekend??? or maybe these are the shark
victor pulis
Aug 11th 2010, 19:06
Whatever. Minbarra l-mobile li kisser u xi 'damages'ma jidhirlix li wehel multa. ghallinqas hekk gie rrapurtat.
David Caruana
Aug 11th 2010, 18:11
"Police Inspector Nikolai Sant told the court that there was a huge problem at St George’s Bay, especially at night, when foreigners got drunk and swam naked."
Problem?! Where's the problem?!
gaffarena joseph
Aug 11th 2010, 17:57
I,do not like things like this in public, but there should be a nudist camp/beach,and it have to be private.
Recently an american tourist a friend of mine asked me about a nudist camp,and told her that the only nudist camp we have was in my swimming pool at home.
John Baldacchino
Aug 11th 2010, 18:32
Careful there Joe. You might be arrested for admitting to run a nudist colony in your backyard. Remember that the Moral Majority in Malta is becoming legendary for its daring feats. Before you know it, the nun's brigade that used to patrol Malta's beaches against topless bathers, could well pay you a visit! And do not forget that we have at least two MPs from both sides of the House who believe that the State has some say on what happens in bedrooms. You have opened a can of worms now. The State will have to deal with private swimming pools as well. Before you know it someone will suggest a Private members bill regulating swimming attire in private swimming-pools! Then we'll have the chattering classes yapping about the extents to which nudity and privacy could go hand in hand ... and before you know it we will have to take baths and showers with our clothes on!
Joseph Micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 20:08
Guess Mr. Baldacchino is right. In Malta even if one is having sex in a car with curtains added to the windows, in pitch darkness and somewhere remote, is breaking the law! If that isn't strange I don't know what is!!
MBorg
Aug 11th 2010, 20:53
@ Joseph Micallef
What is so strange about it ? A car is made for driving not for sex
. A car fitted with curtains? Now that is strange.
Does it also comes with pillows and quilt ? You might be " in pitch darkness and somewhere remote " but you will still feel the cold .
Wonders never cease, what a modern world we are living in !
Joseph Micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 21:48
Mr. M Borg my comment was in continuation to what Mr Baldacchino said re nude swimming in his own private pool. Pools are for swimming as well aren't they - not for exhibiting oneself naked - correct? What I am trying to say is that according to Maltese law even if the place is secluded and nobody can see you - you are still breaking to law. And that to me is strange enough yes!
victor pulis
Aug 11th 2010, 17:46
Dak l-ispanjol li ta head butt lill Malti x'wehel?
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 18:22
Wehel ftit, u messu ntbaghat 'il barra. Dik vjolenza. Differenti minn dan il-kaz.
victor pulis
Aug 11th 2010, 17:37
They were caught swimming in the nude.When I'm swimming only my head is above water so what's the big deal?!
Paul Saliba
Aug 11th 2010, 21:45
Maybe they were resting on their backs and their antenna was vertically showing
Joe Xuereb
Aug 11th 2010, 23:56
@ Sur Pulis. Your head is indeed the only thing showing when you're in the water. But if you're naked because your swimming-trunks came off and they're at the bottom, you'll dive for them. And what happens? Your ass cleaves the surface of the water and in a small bay like St. George's, your ample behind fed on good Maltese fare will cause a mini tsunami. Causing a tsunami and causing boats to rock and roll would cost you quite a fine I imagine. So tighten the string round your waist - what waist?! - so you don't lose your knickers.
MBorg
Aug 11th 2010, 17:30
@ all
What a modern progressive nation we have become. Reading most of the comments you really must be proud of ourselves. So very modern you see no wrong in anything.
Most do not agree that these two Spanish students were taken to court, some went as far as making fun of the police and the Magistrate for taking action.
The police are right, these students must be stopped. They must be told that there are rules that must be followed and that they must show some form of decency. They must not be allowed to turn our beaches into a place where anything goes. They use our beaches instead of toilets, they make love , vomit and leave all the rubbish you can imagine behind.. Is this modern enough for you ?
I may be different to the ones who are in favour, but believe me, I see nothing modern in this practice infact their actions make me sick. The police should petrol these beaches more often
Gavin Ellul
Aug 11th 2010, 17:41
thumbs up
Stefan Muscat Doublesin
Aug 11th 2010, 17:58
@MBorg
For most the point is that a jail sentence is totally over the top. Taken to court, yes. Fined, yes. Actually even make the fine heftier, like €500! But marked with a criminal record, which can potentially ruin your future life, and then with just a €100 fine?? For swimming in the nude when they are doing no harm to anybody?? And then when a local children gang was terrorising residents and tourists, most of them get away with a telling off? That smells a lot like two weights, two measures to me!
Before going over-the top with foreign students injecting much needed foreign euros into our ailing economy, maybe our criminal courts should consider much worse actions being done by locals.
VStivala
Aug 11th 2010, 17:58
Haha.....first of all; you grouped "skinny-dipping" together with vomiting and sex on a beach.....very different things indeed and whilst I agree the latter two are wrong, a bit of fun in the sea is harmless!
Not many people have their swimming stuff with them at 5:20am in the morning...and no families go to the beach at 5:20am so if you dont like it...you dont see it!
PS: Probably the same type of person who is against topless bathing, having more than one glass of wine a week and smiling at an inappropriate joke!! Lighten up!
PPS:..."you must be really proud of ourselves" makes no English grammar sense ;-) !
A very 'modern' C Gatt
Aug 11th 2010, 18:03
@MBorg
"The police should petrol these beaches more often "
Er we've run out of petrol, will napalm do? LOL
PS and can we stop with this 'modern' business ? The word you are looking for is progressive, liberal or just plain level-headed.
Tony Bonello
Aug 11th 2010, 18:16
Another 1800 mentality person
W Spencer
Aug 11th 2010, 21:06
Forget about the police patrolling the beaches looking for the criminals who wear skimpy swim wear, or go " skinny dipping " in the early hours !!!
Get the police to patrol Malta's lawless stretts, and catch REAL criminals
Teresa Pace
Aug 11th 2010, 21:14
@ MBorg
Well said M Borg. Those are Malta's rules and they should be followed. There is nothing funny about modern society and the lack of values.
@ the others who tried to make fun of the mistakes
A point was being made and it was made loud and clear so well done M Borg. Ha they make fun of silly mistakes but the deeper mistakes they do not even take notices of...thus having no values.
S. Vella
Aug 11th 2010, 17:22
Here we go again - in the news for the wrong reasons. This nearly tops the Mosta mannequins story!
It's ironic that in my teens (late 1980's), skinny dipping was ever so popular with the Maltese youngsters as well. Today, I smile when I think of so many upstanding well-to-do middle-aged Maltese citizens while I remember them cavorting naked at Golden Bay after some party.
From my limited experience, only the sex obsessed find anything wrong with skinny dipping in the early morning. The rest just join or wished they joined in the fun. I know I did some two decades ago!
Andrew Azzopardi
Aug 11th 2010, 17:50
I have similar recollections from the late 1970s and 1980s.
Contrary to what many believe, in many respects, Malta was a far more tolerant and lassiez-faire country 30 years ago than it is now.
Tony Bonello
Aug 11th 2010, 18:18
Totally Agree
Claire Busuttil
Aug 11th 2010, 17:19
We`ve heard every kind of news this summer from tourist, most of them.....if not all, were negative, and are giving a bad picture to Maltese Tourism standard.
@Law - 100 euros, is a joke, they broke the law, have not respected Malta, and so they deserved a more harsh punishment!! Even to give an example!
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 17:34
Ahhhhhhh! 'even to give an example'!!!!!!!!! Using people for our ends, do we? Using YOUNG people as an example, that's some 'law' you have in your mind! That's justice for you. How would you feel if your loved one was used in this manner?
C Gatt
Aug 11th 2010, 18:05
@Ms Busuttil
I think it is comments like this that will lower standards in Malta, especially of Malta as place lo study English LOL
Claire Busuttil
Aug 12th 2010, 00:23
@FFarrugia,
yep! correct to give an example, when it is needed!! That`s called discipline!
Claire Busuttil
Aug 12th 2010, 00:25
@CGatt, on the contrary, I think that we arrived at this stage in our society, because of people, who do not care about the respect between human beings, and people who thinks that everyone is free to do anything he likes to, when this is not the case, when you are living with other people. There are rules!
Justin Gerald Saliba
Aug 11th 2010, 17:16
Do Students that come from abrode to study English ? I don't think so thay come to malta for partying sex and more... I work in pacevill.. and at 6am you can see the students still out drunk ! yesterday ( 10/07/2010 ) I have seen a fight at 6am with a student and a maltise !
C Gatt
Aug 11th 2010, 18:07
@Mr Saliba
And what was the 'Maltis' doing up at 6 am, going to work or the early morning mass? LOL
Peter Bonnici
Aug 11th 2010, 18:57
Well, I wonder what you were doing during your English language lessons.
Justin Gerald Saliba
Aug 11th 2010, 19:04
you tell him !! I was off to work ! but there are some bars that stay open till 6:00am
Karl Farrugia
Aug 12th 2010, 00:21
The question here is, why was a bar open at 6am, when it's very clear that they should be closed at 4am? So the followin question comes naturally: why is the police force (farce?) patroling the beach for naked students and not the bars for illegal business?
Food for thought...
Philip Serracino Inglott
Aug 11th 2010, 17:14
Something similar happed to some friends of mine here in the Netherlands.
A group of Spanish guys got drunk celebrating the end of studies for one of them, and made some racket. The police appeared on the scene gave them a stern warning, and advised them that having no lights on the bikes they would have to leave them where they were and walk home. One of them was a bit more drunk, and ignoring the police he decided to urinate on a corner. The police immediately took this guy to the station, and fined him a similar amount on the spot. Since he did not have the money, the police drove him to an ATM, and after he had paid the fine they drove him to rejoin his friends.
100 Euros is not too much for breaking the law against skinny dipping in a public place. (St. Gorge's bay isn't what you'd would call 'secluded')
Involving a Magistrate and a suspend jail term, that is driving pins with a pneumatic hammer!
A.Attard
Aug 11th 2010, 17:02
hah! everybody is talking about medieval Malta because our country does not accept such behaviour but what about us Maltese we are never fined or put to jail for skinny dipping,is it because of our MEDIEVAL VALUES ,we are not very much advanced now are we?
Robert Calafato
Aug 11th 2010, 17:02
Yeah, whats wrong with swimming naked in St. George's Bay? I mean it's such a secluded, away from it all beach with nobody in sight for kilometers and kilometers!!! In fact we should start advertising the place as the perfect place for swimming naked!!
Karl Consiglio
Aug 11th 2010, 16:59
@Joseph Aquilina,
So as to cater for those who might wish to bath naked, thats why, its really not much to ask for.
mary Pace
Aug 11th 2010, 16:47
isit 05,20 am or is it during the day, if they broke the law, they pay. because the law is for you, me & everyone, so yes they shouldnt been naked swimming!! I'm glad they got fined ,pity it wasn't more ,& all those blokes ( because it looks like more blokes ,then women wrote here) who wrote here & are not agaisn't these students, maybe you all jealous ,maybe you want to go skinny dipping!!
Ramon Mizzi
Aug 11th 2010, 17:33
I think the cops have nothing more to do, then we whinge around that we don't get tourist.... What if they were girls? Would they still fine them or perf on them? HEY COPS, LET EVERYONE BE. The other day I was filming at Bay Street and two cops walked to me and dutifully asked what I was doing. I quickly answered them with respect as it was their job to ask, but one of them just started being rude and treating me as if I was an idiot or a school boy, although the other one was nice and friendly. Maltese cops should be given a REAL COURSE in PR rather than Bully people especially students.
Grace Borg
Aug 11th 2010, 16:41
No!!!! Just €100 for such an unbelievably lewd act?...
Swimming naked? - Exceptionally criminal!!!
At St Georges Bay? - Shocking!!!
And at 5:00 am? - Utterly Obscene!!!
How could these students be so inconsiderate? I could have been exposed to the mortal risk of scandalizing my delicate, chaste and innocent 65 year-old eyes with their round, rosy, cheeky, Spaniard cheeks!
Such people should be locked away for good... One month of imprisonment is a joke!
I demand nothing less than LIFE imprisonment, in a high security prison, in solitary confinement, and naked in a bath full of fresh Pelagia Jellyfish - and with no right for appeal!
....and yes, I nearly forgot - OFF with their appendages! They won't be needing them anyway.
----
Charles Dickens once wrote: "the law is an ass"...
I guess he meant this in more ways than one!
F Fenech
Aug 12th 2010, 01:39
LOL! .. I'm hoping you comment is a joke! xD
Ray Buttigieg
Aug 11th 2010, 16:40
this story beats the one over the weekend of a 49 year old guy found guilty and given a suspended sentence for having in possession one exstacy pill at a rave party. Surely the police have nothing better to do and the court time can not be utilised better. Come on guys go catch the big pushers roaming around places of power and prestiage and stop the criminals robbing our old age pensioners.
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 16:31
Of course it is a joke! We are making ourselves the laughing stock of the whole of Europe, if not the whole world!
Look at that sentence, even if suspended: jailed for one month and fined! My goodness!
Charlene Amato
Aug 11th 2010, 17:55
Franco Farrugia if we are the laughing stock of the world because of expecting foreigners to respect our values and laws then so be it.
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 18:28
@ Charlene Amato - Get off your high and pious horse, with your 'values' and 'laws'! If we had to put a million Maltese people, we wouldn't find a single value worth following. Ever heard of the 'oqbra mbajda' Maltese expression? VERY Maltese!
L Buhagiar
Aug 11th 2010, 16:28
Offending public morals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in Paceville at 0520 hrs??. Is this a joke or has the police and court lost their sense of perspective. Give us a break please.
Alexander Pace Gouder.
Aug 11th 2010, 16:27
I do not wish to go into the merits of these two boys swimming naked. Yes there is a real big Problem on this beach mainly from 0.30hrs to 6.00hrs.(AM) What if someone ends up DROWNED. Most of these youngsters are Half Drunk. Under the French Boys news item of today I have put forward a suggestion which follows: Police Petrols (Male and Female) and Local Council (Wardens) Plain Clothed but having proof of their identity patrol the area( in a good number not two) and stop politely anyone who is not obeying the Laws or not behaving as a human being. (You all understand what i mean). This is not a case of "QED NITKAZAW" but to keep this BLUE FLAG BAY in the clean state it deserves and mostely for the safety of these foreign students and also our youngsters. (Some Photos of the MESS left behind taken by your Photographer following what goes on in the St.Georges Bay area and nearby streets including the St..Julians Promanade will definitly end up filling two pages or more and which will proof and show the mess left behind.) These should be taken by6.00am before cleaning starts. GIVE IT A TRY.
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 16:40
Yes, THERE you have valid points. Cleanliness is important. Keeping the bay ship-shape is important. Ensuring the safety and health of all users of the beach is important. But don't come telling me that you take to court some youngsters because in the middle of the night, they decide to swim naked and fine them 100 euros and jail them for one month (ok, suspended sentence, so what)! That is crazy! I agree with you: cleanliness and safety are of the utmost importance. Even propriety and decency are important in my books, but NOT to the extent of taking them to court!
Andrew Azzopardi
Aug 11th 2010, 17:19
Mr Pace Gouder
These lads were not charged, and subsequently fined and given a suspended jail sentence for endangering their own or others' safety, nor for littering or for drunkenness, but for 'offending public morals', whatever that may be.
If nothing else, as a taxpayer, I very much object to this scandalous waste of public resources.
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 17:38
@ Mr Andrew Azzopardi: And especially when there is such a heavy backlog of pending cases before the Courts! Some even going back some twenty years!
J.Tonna
Aug 11th 2010, 16:26
Nirringrazzja lil www.timesofmalta.com ta' dawn il-jokes li qed jirnexxielna naraw il-hin kollu - ikun xi jkun is-suggett tal-ahbar.
Charles Clews kien qal: 'Jekk trid tghix hajja twila hu c-cajt bis-serjeta' u s-serjeta' bic-cajt', u hekk qed jaghmlu certi kontributuri hawnhekk.
Donnu li skop taghhom hu biss li jew jipprovaw jghaddu z-zmien b'xi hadd jew li jaraw isimhom fuq in-net.
Hafna kontribuzzjonijiet bla sens. Keep it up, keep us laughing.
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 16:24
But are we going crazy in this country? Taking to court a couple of guys because they swam naked in the middle of the night, at the seaside? What's next? Burning at the stake?
But do we realise what message we are giving? To take a stiff stand against alcohol abuse is one thing, but for God's sake, to fine students for swimming naked, is CRAZY.
'Huge problem', indeed! Why doesn't the Police stop turning a blind eye at the one thousand and one crimes taking place in our society on a daily basis?
'Remedy the situation'? There are so many, far worse situations that need remedying, gentle lady magistrate.
These are youngsters! Read it again: young-sters!
Our own youngsters would do the same thing outside our shores - the difference is that you oldies, parents, wouldn't (want to) know about it! The difference is that the Police, abroad, are more busy getting the real criminals than these!
Give over, folks! This country has become so bloody boring!
The authorities would do much better to appeal to these youngsters not to swim while under the influence of drink! THAT is what our priority should be, and what should be remedied!
Anthony Formosa
Aug 11th 2010, 16:46
Mr Farrugia, the law is the law for everyone. Kieku kien kaccatur li spara u qatel summiena il- Hadd wara nofsinhar are x'hangra kont tiftah l-ewwel wiehed.
Paul Muscat
Aug 11th 2010, 16:56
Tajjeb ghedtlu sur Anthony Formosa
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 17:04
@ Anthony Formosa - Lilek, nafek mill-kummenti tieghek favur il-kacca, jigifieri, tajjeb nghiduha dik. Il-hdura li hawn ghal min jitkellem bhali kontra l-kacca, hija kbira. Ghall-informazzjoni tieghek, jien kontra l-kacca u l-insib MHUX GHAX HIJA KONTRA L-LIGI - GHALIJA, L-LIGI TISTA' TIBQA' TIPPERMETTI L-KACCA GHAL DEJJEM, GHAX XORTA NIBQA' KONTRA L-KACCA! - IMMA GHAX TMUR KONTRA N-NATURA U KONTRA L-HAJJA U GHAL DAQSHEKK, JIEN NIBQA' KONTRA TAGHKOM! Il-kumment tieghek, m'ghandu xejn x'jaqsam mal-kwistjoni li hawn hawn. Ikber naqra. Immatura. Aqra. Xtarr. Ahseb sew. Hu parir. Umbaghad, forsi, dejjaqna bil-kitba tieghek.
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Aug 11th 2010, 18:04
Franco Farrugia, Anthony Formosa's comment is valid indeed! You are using an absolutely different line of reasoning here! The Law is there for everyone! It is there to defend wardens which may be given a lesson by a normal citizen, for those who illegally swim in the nude, etc. For those readers who follow these online blogs, it is pretty obvious where "Il-hdura li hawn" comes from. Meanwhile, you have to put up with LEGAL HUNTING whether you like it or not.
David Caruana
Aug 11th 2010, 19:15
Mrs. Zarb Darmanin,
"The Law is there for everyone!"
Funny thing, the Law....
- Policeman caught hunting illegally wearing a balaclava : one-month jail term, suspended for a year
- 2 youngsters swimming naked : one-month jail term, suspended for a year + 100EUR fine
http://stocks.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100429/local/suspended-jail-term-for-policeman-caught-hunting-illegally
D SMITH
Aug 11th 2010, 16:23
I really cant believe this, jailing people for having a laugh, For the people that are against this would be the people that wouldn't be out at 5am they would be tucked up in bed with there loved ones, so if u cant see it why judge?! im 25 and yeah i go to paceville i see MALTESE people having sex in doorways but that doesn't bother me cause ur only young once and will only live once to to hell with it, There is alot worse things going on in the world than this.
D. Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 16:19
If there is a law on this issue then it has to be respected, but for crying out loud jailing them for one month is way out of order! Free these guys NOW! If the authorities are serious enough on this issue the least they should do is have multilingual notices affixed on these beaches clearly stating that nudism is against the law. It's true that ignorance of the law does not justify anything, but I see nothing wrong in having such signs strategically placed. Far worse crimes have been committed and the perpetrator walked out as a free person. This is too much!!
D.Galea
Aug 11th 2010, 16:10
The human body.... uh SO disgusting!!!!
M Agius
Aug 11th 2010, 16:06
All in the name of public morals. Who's public morals? How are public morals defined? We're assuming that everyone is Catholic?
Why don't we have an authorized naturist beach?
H Galea
Aug 11th 2010, 16:32
Mr M Agius, do you go round at 0500 in the morning on the beach. I cannot see why you are barking too loud, christ is also half naked on the cross and in church.What have you to say.
M Agius
Aug 11th 2010, 16:52
I was asking about public morals. I invite you to re read my comment.
Gerard Cassar
Aug 11th 2010, 15:56
Many years ago, boys used to swim naked at il-Fossa Valletta just below Saint Elmo. Nobody ever thought to call the police.
Franco Farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 16:26
AAAAAH! But that's different! Those are Maltese beltin, usually, swimming there and nobody would care one iota!
And another thing - at that time, Maltese society was not up in arms, and in panic-stations, over the fact that things are a-changing!
C Attard
Aug 11th 2010, 15:55
whats so wrong with swimming as nature intended?.lots of dirty smutty minds around. surely there's better and more important things to be on the lookout for.
D.Bonello
Aug 11th 2010, 15:49
This happens almost every night when students do their needs in the street alongside St. Georges beach, swim naked, fights, vandalism, and worst of all, they leave a huge rubbish dump everywhere. Justice here seems to be only for Maltese people. I've seen a policeman giving a fine to a maltese boy for throwing a cigarette filter tip, which im not justifying in any way. But for foreigners its DO AS YOU PLEASE. We need more police patrol especially next to St. Georges bay.
Matthew vella
Aug 11th 2010, 15:45
ahna il-maltin, inriduha ta nies avvanzati hafna, imbaghad mohna ghadu jghix fi zmien kristu!
david farrugia
Aug 11th 2010, 15:40
didn't know that our archaic laws also apply beneath the waves.
B. Zammit
Aug 11th 2010, 15:38
Does this means we can cross out St. George's Bay for the blockbuster sequel of "Free Willie"?
Gavin Ellul
Aug 11th 2010, 15:38
Nazzjon ta' nies ghorrief ahna, nazzjon ta' nies li jgergru biss, u li dejjem jafu x'inhu l-ahjar Alla jberikkom! Min ghandu bzonn ligijijet, jew kodici tal-etika, jekk tista' tigi fil-pagna tal-kummenti tat-times u taqra' l-ligijiet kif ghandhom ikunu! ammettu intom stess, li ssibu thrill fil-ksur ta ligi!
M Degiorgio said "a couple of students having a good time in the sea, minding their own business" - is breaking the law having a good time for you? Were they minding their own business breaking the law and indecently exposing themselves? Laws are there to be respected.
He also contrived to question the police actually doing their job!! Are you saying that if the policemen happened to be patrolling the beach at that moment, they should not have stopped the youngsters?!
And another thing - breaking the law at five in the morning, or at two in the afternoon, or eight at night always counts as breach of law!
But don't you worry, we're always a 'stupid, prehistoric, catholic country', no? We should be ashamed we're maltese! We should be ashamed we have laws that conserve our dignity! Imbghad gergru jekk tikber il-pedofelija u ammont ta single mothers!
H Galea
Aug 11th 2010, 16:40
Mr M Agius, do you go round at 0500 in the morning on the beach. I cannot see why you are barking too loud, christ is also half naked on the cross and in church.What have you to say.
Mr Ellul, even the popes used to enjoy the paintings in the Vatican.The nuns never complained as well.
Joseph Micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 20:02
Mr. Ellul. I believe for one to break public morals one has to be witnessed by the public no? Now we are talking of 5am! What public ma I ask? Yes the law counts at any time ok but one has to be reasonable as well. Had they been swimming naked at 10am in front of women and children that would have been another story. Why do we Maltese have to be always so uptight!!!
Vincent Galea
Aug 11th 2010, 15:30
Stressful jobs and stressful lifestyles are the best incentive to throw aside your clothes along with your cares and get away from it all.
Perhaps it is the ultimate in stress busting activity.
P.Scicluna
Aug 11th 2010, 15:23
The police noticed 2 young boys swimming naked and did not notice young students watching poll dancing, they did not notice that bars are still selling alcahol at 4 am even up to 9 am. Go in the Havana area Sunday morning at 9 am and you see people coming out from nightclub.
Weldone police but no fuss about these 2 kids there is much more to watch, and to avoid these young kids being exploited while on holiday.
D. Attard
Aug 11th 2010, 15:17
Seriously, I think that jailing a person for 1 month, being suspended for a year and a fine is WAY too much for swimming naked!
There are so many who did far worse and criminal deeds and got way less than they deserved.
Marija Brincat
Aug 11th 2010, 15:16
X;gharukaza! F'hiex wasalna f'dan il-pajjiz! Nispera li l-kappillan ta' San Giljan ma jiddejjaqx jghamel poster fuq iz-zuntier dwar in-nudizmu.
Joseph Aquilina
Aug 11th 2010, 15:16
Since it is a public beach these individuals broke the law and therefore the police did the right action to take them in. Unfortunately some with their comments show how little respect they have for each other. Although you and me might find nothing wrong in seeing someone naked on a public beach, there are those who do, and there could also be minors. Therefore it does not make it right just because YOU don’t mind!! All should remember that we live in a society … a group of people (with different opinions) living together.
G Pace
Aug 11th 2010, 15:30
Minors wandering around St George's Bay at 5.20am (in the dark) - I think not.....it is one thing at 5:20pm and quite another at 5:20 AM..... this is very much Prudish Malta to the forefront!
Joseph Aquilina
Aug 11th 2010, 16:04
“… this is very much Prudish Malta to the forefront!” … no, it’s called an example!
Gavin Ellul
Aug 11th 2010, 17:20
naqbel perfettament. prosit.
Bernard Mamo
Aug 11th 2010, 15:10
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
oh come on people what a bunch of bored naives you are! Who has never heard of skinny dipping? Min m'ghandux dnub iwaddab l-ewwel gebla! Xi dwejjaq ta pajjiz m'hemmx li tinbidel il generazzjoni ta' mdejqin...
david camilleri
Aug 11th 2010, 15:20
Your correct, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition...they now expect the Maltese Inquisition!
Graham Crocker
Aug 12th 2010, 10:16
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise....
Stefan Muscat Doublesin
Aug 11th 2010, 15:07
Seriously?! Is this the 21st or the 12th century??
Also reading the below comments, I am increasingly alarmed by the amount of ToM readers that fail to recognise sarcasm when the see it!
J Abela
Aug 11th 2010, 15:05
Good....I'm going to organize a skinny-dipping party at St.George's bay next weekend.
G. Saliba
Aug 11th 2010, 15:13
A protest skinny-dip. Brilliant! Time and Place please (shall we invite Edwina?)
Charles Sammut
Aug 11th 2010, 15:03
What perverse morals! Didn't God create Man in His own image? So what is offensive about the human body? It is only a dirty, smutty mind that sees immorality in the naked body.
And don't the police have better things to do than peeping on the beaches just in case someone goes skinny-dipping? What a sad country.
david debattista
Aug 11th 2010, 15:00
So that 's what it looks like.....................Loooooo!
wally vella-zarb
Aug 11th 2010, 14:58
Why pick on two young skinny-dippers? I would say that, with a name like PRAT, the poor boy already has enough problems in his life!
George Micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 15:14
How about "A boy name Sue" by Johnnie Cash?
G. Borg
Aug 11th 2010, 17:03
Can you imagine how many more problems he would have if his name was Wally Prat ??..........Pot and Kettle come to mind.
Malachy Portelli
Aug 11th 2010, 14:55
Where these guys that swam naked? cause it looks like it..i wouldn't imagine a beautiful spanish girl being arrested for swimming naked..and if they really want to do their job seriously they should punish every guy that walks without a shirt on the pavement because if what those two did was 'unnatural' as some people quoted then thats topless as well..the problem here is malta is sooo soooo like the old times it just sucks!
Paul Camilleri
Aug 11th 2010, 15:25
Malachy Portelli would you care to give us your vision of how Malta is going to be like as your Patron Saint did so well with his identity of the last 112 Popes?
G. Saliba
Aug 11th 2010, 14:52
Swimming naked! I cant even bear to be naked in the shower. I was even born with underwear on (and I'm not talking about thongs either). Swimming naked - what disgusting 'people'.
Let us all appeal to the authorities to immediately condemn this appalling behavior and deploy the army to prevent this corruption of public morals from spreading.
J. Borg
Aug 11th 2010, 14:51
dear magistrate, would have done a better job, if you had fined the police for bring up just a case!
The police evidently either have distorted priorities or conveniently close both eyes to the serious drug and violence problem around them!
Bogdan Cilia
Aug 11th 2010, 14:51
Hahahaha !! Never would have imagined in a thousand years that there was a law in malta ie ...''if you swim naked @ 5am you'll get a year in prison suspended to one month'' !!!! Is this country serious?!!!! This keeps of showing us how retarded our country is !!!
C. Grech
Aug 11th 2010, 15:01
...so after mid September they can do it again!!!!
C.Borg
Aug 11th 2010, 14:46
So ashamed to be Maltese! Couldn't these morality police give just a warning, which in fact was not needed anyway!
Malta needs new laws, new political party and a new police force!
Sergio Vassallo
Aug 11th 2010, 14:54
C.Borg ashamed? they should have been sent to prison to be made an example of. Who do these students think they are?
Stefan Muscat Doublesin
Aug 11th 2010, 15:13
@Sergio Vassallo
you seem to be blissfully unaware of the rampant nudism practiced by MALTESE over-50 yr olds on some remote sandy beaches
or maybe you just ignore it because it is convenient to you, as representative of the typical hypocritical moral maltese
Sergio Vassallo
Aug 11th 2010, 15:20
Stefan Muscat Doublesin do you think everyone is like you?
Stefan Muscat Doublesin
Aug 11th 2010, 15:34
@Sergio Vassallo
Definitely not, otherwise we'd be living in a utopia!
(PS. Please excuse my apparent stupidity, but what's your comment even supposed to mean??)
Sergio Vassallo
Aug 11th 2010, 15:39
Stefan Muscat Doublesin did you know that they say that it takes a thief to catch a thief? Hope you understand.
Stefan Muscat Doublesin
Aug 11th 2010, 16:45
@Sergio Vassallo
Since there is my full name published here I will have to dignify an otherwise totally irrelevant and utterly mediocre comment with a response.
No, I am NOT one of those MALTESE over-50 yr olds practicing naturism on some local remote sandy beaches.
Likewise I am NOT one of the typical hypocritical moral maltese.
Mr Vassallo, being aware and informed of one's environment and events and actions happening around you is not tantamount to actually performing them. Neither does it equate to judging them.
I feel it is much better to be informed than living in a blissful ignorance as most institutions in this country seem to want us to live, I'm sorry to say. And I am not making any political references, though probably my comment will be interpreted as such by a number of readers.
Claire Busuttil
Aug 12th 2010, 00:32
@CBorg, int ok jew???
JOHN O SCERRI
Aug 11th 2010, 14:44
hehehe.......Did the police get a TIP OFF?
OK...... Blue flag beach .........so ...........they assumed there were no JELLY FISH and decided to dangle their rods in safety.
S Witt
Aug 11th 2010, 19:25
mmm it is part of the blue flag programme to make sure that there are no jellyfish in such beaches???
Maria Vella
Aug 11th 2010, 14:41
I bet that all those who felt so offended had a good look at the students before reporting them. Speak of Il-Malti dejjaq
Amanda Catania
Aug 11th 2010, 15:41
Do you usually do so Maria Vella?
Christopher Cutajar
Aug 11th 2010, 14:41
The problem isn't whether they were naked or not, but how much did they drink. Swimming drunk, obviously, isn't safe at all. Especially in the dark.
Charles Borg
Aug 11th 2010, 16:13
the fine wasnt about being drunk it was about skinny dipping..
George Debono
Aug 11th 2010, 14:38
What's the big deal?
At least swimming naked doesn't cause pollution.
"Offending public morals" ?????
Gosh ! this is the 21st century! It takes more than the odd bit of exposed marriage tackle to "offend public morals".
G
N. Bonnici
Aug 11th 2010, 14:57
Sorry but if we all think like you we will end up walking naked in public area too. There is a place for everything. If they wanna swim naked they can do it in their bathtubs. Having small children seeing naked people swimming isnt such a good idea.
c micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 16:01
What children? How many children do you know who wander around alone in the dark on a beach at 5 in the morning.
Karl Consiglio
Aug 11th 2010, 14:38
Malta deserves at least one authorized nudist beach.
N. Bonnici
Aug 11th 2010, 14:48
Isnt there a nudist beach near Gnejna bay?
Joseph Aquilina
Aug 11th 2010, 15:19
@Karl Consiglio
Enlighten me, why?
Stefan Vella
Aug 11th 2010, 17:12
@Aquilina
Why? Simple really - a question of choice.
T. Krysto
Aug 11th 2010, 14:35
I don't understand the problem with swimming naked - who gets offended? And especially at 5 in the morning!? After the divorce issue Malta should start to discuss skinny dipping ;-)
GVella
Aug 11th 2010, 14:29
While we threaten youngsters with jail for a bit of night-time skinny dipping, over 100 Britons of all ages bared all and took a nude roller-coaster ride this week to raise money for a cancer charity - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-10907944
VV Bartolo
Aug 11th 2010, 14:26
lately every day foreign students' bad behaviour is hitting the head lines. we, at qawra, are also experiencing similar behaviours. almost every night, in the early morning hours we are being disrupted from our sleep by their shouting, screaming & singing loudly in the middle of the road. not to mention the vandalism they do to the parked cars (twisting of side mirrors @ wipers) and now also untying boats from their buoys, go for a ride, then let them loose. immediate action has to be taken to control these students before some tragedy takes place as now they're going over the limit!!
Carmel Falzon
Aug 11th 2010, 15:11
You are right VV Bartolo. The police will only take action when one or more of these students will end up in hospital or worse because everyone is fed up with them.
Joe Zammit
Aug 11th 2010, 15:31
VV Bartolo this is what started vigilantes taking the law in their own hands in other countries. Inaction by the authorities against these low lives.
David Ciappara
Aug 11th 2010, 18:04
VV Bartolo it's about time people started getting together on a neighborhood watch and teach these vandals a lesson they will never forget.
George Fenech
Aug 11th 2010, 18:42
David Ciappara and then perhaps call the police after they've finished with them.
jane camilleri haber
Aug 11th 2010, 14:25
almost everybody who commented seem to think that ; requiring a decent amount of clothing in public amounts to medieval mentality and a sense of not being european enough. so we need to drag ourselves even further up our timeline to reach stone-age.... but let's see.....no even there we see a few bits of sheepskin mended together to cover the most vulnerable parts of man.... we need to go further up..........and..... ah yes here we are. The place where most people think we should be fits snugly within the timeline when our ancestors did not as yet conceive themselves to be different from the rest of the animal kingdom enough to deem it fit for themselves to put together that few pieces of clothing.....and we say we're modern!!
John Pace
Aug 11th 2010, 15:06
jane camilleri haber I agree with you.
E.Ciantar
Aug 11th 2010, 14:23
What was the big deal with Pol showing his Prat in public?
C Gatt
Aug 11th 2010, 14:20
The police inspector is right: there is a huge problem in st George;'s Bay and St Julian's and that problem is the police.
They are understaffed but more importantly untrained, ill-mannered and treat people with little or no respect.
Should it come as a surprise that some people get drunk in Paceville? No.,
Are there ways of handling the situation without this becoming a court case? Absolutely yes.
As to offending public morals. How much public would there have been at 5.20 in the morning to have their morals offended?. In fact i doubt if there was enough light to 'see the evidence' even if there were.
These kids have a suspended sentence of a month in jail. A month! for a bit of skinny dipping. We really have lost all sense of proportion and we can thank our crappy lawmakers for that.
As for those who are calling for even harsher penalties. If you have never gone skinny dipping, you really should give it a try, Life is so much more relaxing afterwards. :)
charles grima
Aug 11th 2010, 14:15
All in the name of our Catholic Island! Then we wonder if we are third world or not!
Ironically you will find Maltese holidaying abroad naked. The same people don't just do it in Malta for fear of gossip.
I think that everyone has a right to do what they want
Joe E Galea
Aug 11th 2010, 14:12
The police should rather use their resources to catch criminals like those who bound and robbed that old lady today. These actions scare tourists away. Come on people we are not an extremist muslim country. We should supposedly be open-minded Europeans...hmmm...stop dreaming!! I feel ashamed to be Maltese when these things happen.
d.attard
Aug 11th 2010, 14:12
what a sad country and spectacle seeing the unilateral demand for power over mind stifle the spirit of youth...the good thing about it is that no one can now hide behind bushes. What is happening is there for all to see. It is now a case of the 'inquisition' vs life. And the 'inquisition' has all the fire-power.
A Grech
Aug 11th 2010, 14:11
First of its kind being reported as far as I recall. There must have been a novice policeman doing the beat...His colleagues who have been watching over the nudes for so many years now must not be too happy ;p
Students do far more damage when walking home at night; shouting, breaking things, urinating all over the place, etc... (priorities and easy-to-do things are getting confused)
Let them be...which PUBLIC morals are we on about if NO PUBLIC is up at such an unearthly hour!!!
j. xerri
Aug 11th 2010, 14:10
Probaly this case would serve to attract more people to visit St George's Bay in the early hours of the morning, adding another problem to the police who would have to keep away the curiousity seekers from the swimmers.
Daniel Spiteri
Aug 11th 2010, 14:07
I just understand what kind of 'offence' there is here. Is just a few teens having fun, and with all due respect this is not happening during daylight when young kids are around. All I can say is that people on this rock need to lighten up BIG TIME!!! If they are harming nobody then leave them be!
joseph grima
Aug 11th 2010, 14:05
I personally find it much easier to believe the huge problem for the police was in the policemen's pants. imma possibli bqajna daqsekk lura. whats so wrong with bathing naked anyway ?.were we clothed when we were brought into this world ? if bathing naked offends other people then its the other people who have the problem and should just walk away and choose not to look. sometimes i think stories like this are made up on purpose to entertain us cause i really do find them funny. shame on the court for even taking the time out to listen to such a ridiculous case. all i can say is jahasra kemm mghandomx xjghamlu il puizia to the point that they spend their time criusing where they are bound to come across a young student or two bathing naked. Jahasra jahasra i feel sorry for this island..ever going backward instead of forward..gejjin bil petition....get a life please .
r ferriggi
Aug 11th 2010, 14:03
i have a feeling we hve found another gold mine,,,, like the speed cameras.
only in malta.
WHO SAID we do not have drillng wells?? he only difference is that w do not need to drill deep.
J.Camilleri
Aug 11th 2010, 13:56
Make them pay higher fines. At least the hofra may take a sigh!
J Micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 13:51
...don't the police have better things to do? Who precisely was offended by two students swimming naked in the dark? U halluna! Wake up Malta!
Marthese Mussett
Aug 11th 2010, 17:42
Exactly.I d rather see them catch the ones that bound and robbed a 79 year old woman in her old home this morning.
Jeremy N Grech
Aug 11th 2010, 13:51
Malta's medieval laws back in action \m/
John Hughes
Aug 11th 2010, 13:48
Sometimes moments like this make me embarrassed to say that I’m Maltese. Makes one wonder if we are still living in the dark ages, taking two students to court for skinny dipping in the dark??? What a joke and we call ourselves Europeans? The judge should have fined the inspector for wasting his time and tax payer’s money.
What our country need is a young political party to put an end to this nonsense.
Ronald Cauchi
Aug 11th 2010, 13:46
Chop off their appendages I say. That will teach the hordes of Northern barbarians to respect our culture and sense of values, not to mention the fact that they must have upset our policemen and policewomen who had to face their exposed nether regions at such an unearthly hour. SHOCK! SHOCK! HORROR! HORROR!
M Muscat
Aug 11th 2010, 13:58
Get a life Mr Cauchi. It's not like they were murdering anybody. Sense of values!! I don't see the Maltese any better or worse than other Europeans
G Debattista
Aug 11th 2010, 14:12
@M Muscat
I think Ronald was being sarcastic
... I hope!
joseph grima
Aug 11th 2010, 15:08
chop off their appendages ?? prosit ...what moral values you possess. a very sick moral value i would say and it needs to treated ..ASAP. I thought it was the barbarians that did the chopping thing...boing !! qum minn hemm Mr cauch
Joseph Micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 19:45
Mr. Cauchi was definitely being sarcastic. Can't you just see that?!!!
Paul Barrett
Aug 11th 2010, 13:46
Apart from skinny dipping, it is about time that we sorted out this sexist thing on topless sunbathing, it is disgusting the amount of men just wondering around without tops on. Just when are the Police going to do something about this indecent exposure - arrest the offenders, take them to Court - at Euro 100 a time, the deficit will soon disappear.
Colin Schembri
Aug 11th 2010, 14:01
hahahahahahahaha
joseph grima
Aug 11th 2010, 15:02
we should start fining narow minded people for a 1000eu each time...that would stop the old fashioned outdated ignorance.
E Gatt
Aug 11th 2010, 13:44
Yes the hospital emergency wards are inundated with students suffering from severe moon burnt backsides.
M Mifsud
Aug 11th 2010, 16:07
You'll be surprised! Every night, especially in summer, there are quite a few foreign students at the hospital emergency ward suffering from something else!
George Cutajar
Aug 11th 2010, 13:41
@ Adrian Agius - what petition would you like to have signed? Do you realise that these language schools are bringing in foreign currency to the Island? Do you realise the employment of locals they generate? Do you appreciate the fact that these foreign students, although a small minority do cause problems, come to Malta and part with their parents' hard earned money? Do you realise that many hotels depend on their custom as do many Maltese host families?
As for these two pranksters I honestly see nothing so drastically wrong in their action to warrant capital punshment as being suggested. Spaniards did the same thing in the madrid fountains a month ago.
As for the problem in Saint George's Bay the Police are doing their best to keep good order and peace but then one should accept the fact that students on holiday tend to go a little bit over the drinking limit. After all they are on holiday.
Paul Pace
Aug 11th 2010, 14:29
Tirraguna Mr. Cutajar!
Int hekk taghmel meta s-sifer?
"You tend to go a little bit over the drinking limit"?
Or you are matured enough not to do so?
Almost every day at 5.30 am I walk along this bay to Pembroke and back for I live very close.
The filty blue flag bay is cleaned by a gentleman at that time.
The jumby bungy is still running at that time even till 6.30am. You can image the noise and screaming which can be heard from Swieqi.
Finally what about "sex on the beach". No, it is not a cocktail it's real!
This happens year in year out.
Mr Cutajar it seems that you do not live near, because I am sure you will change you way of reasoning.
alfred filletti
Aug 11th 2010, 13:39
Why don't the police see the aggressive and abusive behavior of certain bouncers with innocent people particularly those guarding the Havana club?!! That should be considered as a serious matter if they really want to do their duty diligently.
daniel cuschieri
Aug 11th 2010, 13:37
@ c.zammit.
idahhaqx nies bik ' bil kick them out of the country' these were just youths enjoying themselves, they have paid the fine therefore, they owe the country nothing and they can continue enjoying the summer here in malta
Derek Fenech
Aug 11th 2010, 13:36
Taliban in the Mediterranean
Chris Fenech
Aug 11th 2010, 14:42
You couldn't have said it better !!!
L. Gatt
Aug 11th 2010, 13:36
xejn sew ma jsir f dal pajjiz e! there are many, many other things that police should be doing instead of bugging people from living their life..
victor pulis
Aug 11th 2010, 13:36
Perhaps that's why this beach was awarded the blue flag!
Daniel Cuschieri
Aug 11th 2010, 13:31
@ c.zammit.
idahhaqnix nies bik ' bil kick them out of the country' these were just youths enjoying themselves, they have paid the fine therefore, they owe the country nothing and they can continue enjoying the summer here in malta.
C Zammit
Aug 11th 2010, 15:17
They are in a foreign country so they have to respect that.. you said, they owe the country nothing??? they owe a little respect towards YOU to start off with...so please YOU don't make me laugh.
the students do not come here to learn English - i know what i am saying as i work in tourism. They come here to get drunk and yes to do things that in their country is banned. so yes i repeat kick them out.
Charles Micallef
Aug 11th 2010, 13:30
A bit over the top i would dare to say, considering the time of day!
A good telling off from the Police would have sufficed, instead of wasting Court and Police time, no wonder the Courts are overloaded with silly cases!
M Degiorgio
Aug 11th 2010, 13:30
The only huge problem in St George's bay is the huge amount of public space taken over by restaurants and bars, a couple of students having a good time in the sea, minding their own business, do not constitute a "huge problem"! The police should be patrolling the back roads stopping the vandalism on the residents cars and facades, not hanging around the beach hoping to catch someone with their pants down!
gcForte
Aug 11th 2010, 13:29
Consider the time, the age and that they are foreign students, the punishment is a farce. A 100 euros fine was adequate right, but to dirty their conduct by mentioning jail,which is going to be shown all their life, is a stupid thing. At that age is normal to do so, even to make your friends laugh. I am sure that by that time there warn`t children around, even so, today nudism is not a taboo, like when we use to have the Ghonnella. If you go to a place called " il qarruba " you will know what I mean.
Andrew Azzopardi
Aug 11th 2010, 13:26
If only the 'huge problems' Malta and the world are facing were students skinny-dipping in the middle of the night........
adrian agius
Aug 11th 2010, 13:25
Can some sort of petition be organised against language schools????
And please don't tell me that these hooligans aren't here to 'LEARN' english but to appreciate our culture !!!!!
Albert Storace
Aug 11th 2010, 14:23
Go get a life!!!!
Joseph Camenzuli
Aug 11th 2010, 14:59
Good idea adrian agius. These students are only scum coming here to enjoy themselves and disrupt our life with their excesses. Someone should start a petition to stop the language schools and in the meantime fine them at least €10,000 for every incident that their students cause.
Robert Ciappara
Aug 11th 2010, 13:25
Oh the horror! Swimming naked!!!
Yes - that's quite the biggest problem there is in that area... Really proud of the way the taxpayer's money is being spent ;(
C.Sammut
Aug 11th 2010, 13:24
Oh just let them have their youth fun... if anyone is up and ogling at 5.2am then its their problem..
Brian Maloret
Aug 11th 2010, 13:22
Naughty, naughty foreign students for doing something so natural in Malta which would probably have gone unnoticed and unpunished in other EU states especially when the incident happened at 5.20 in the morning.
C Zammit
Aug 11th 2010, 13:17
well done, even though i woud have fined them more and kicked them out of the country!!!
M.A. Borg
Aug 11th 2010, 13:27
You think that would stop this kind of horrendous and unnatural action? We need establish court-martial and apply immediate capital punishment with criminals like these. Also total ban for at least Spanish nationals to enter Malta.
M Degiorgio
Aug 11th 2010, 13:41
as the queen of hearts would say: "Off with their heads!"
J.Zammit
Aug 11th 2010, 14:07
@M.A. Borg
Swimming in the nude is an "unnatural action"??
ToM quote of the week.
Vasilisa Brandenburg
Aug 11th 2010, 14:08
oh oh oh what a disgrace, what a shame... Note should have been sent to Spanish ambassador too... I mean... this equals to capturing spanish spies.... but worst as spies wouldnt have anything dingelling down under :-)))
Josephine Bugeja
Aug 11th 2010, 14:22
@M.A. Borg: are you just being sarcastic or are your being serious? If you mean to be serious, I think your hysteria is totally out of place. Spanish nationals are EU citizens and can come to Malta as they please in the same way we can go to any EU country freely. Court martials are for military personnel only and our Army Act no longer contemplates the capital punishment, not even for treason in wartime. Nude bathing is not "unnatural" but very natural as clothes are not part of nature. Nude bathing gives a different sensation to bathing in a swimming costume. It seems that in this country morality is confined to sexual matters and nudity. What small minds. If nude bathing is illegal, prosecute the offenders by all means but do not resort to hysterics and witch-hunts.
It seems that Malta is becoming more and more introvert, isolated, intolerant, censorship-minded and medieval in a world where the West becomes more liberal in its attitude to sex. It is difficult to analyse why some Maltese choose to try and cocoon themselves into a Liliputian universe of their own.
Joe Fountain
Aug 11th 2010, 13:16
A huge problem for the police!! Hahahahahahaha
Eman cachia
Aug 11th 2010, 15:16
What a waste of time and money, just for swimming naked. Really stupid laws....
Charles Grixti
Aug 12th 2010, 07:20
May I ask the Police to see that these foreign students do not cause more damages and inconvenience in our streets. I live in B'kara Hill St. Julians and my car and several others' of my neighbours have been vandalized for more than once.
We also have to put up with rowdy students in the early hours of morning.
To my knowledge St. George's bay is monitored by CCTV cameras. Why is it then that these students are left to litter this bay which has cost us millions of euros when locals are fined if they take out their garbage bags overnight?????
pauline borg
Aug 12th 2010, 15:57
u riviera kollha topless it turisti nisa!
il police ma jmorrux hemm sa ghajn tuffieha?
Francesca Formosa
Aug 12th 2010, 17:25
well said Charles